Mike Huckabee visits UPC.

[PastorD]

Presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee has asked to visit The Apostolic Church of Auburn Hills, MI (Pontiac) tomorrow evening. He has even asked if he can sit in with the band during Praise & Worship. He plays the bass guitar.

[StMark]

well, is it a done deal ?? is he going ???

what as RBs final word on that ??

would they give the same chance to Obama or the Clintons?

[PastorD]

well, is it a done deal ?? is he going ???

what as RBs final word on that ??

would they give the same chance to Obama or the Clintons?


He is going. Will be in the evening service. Not sure if he is going to make Choir Practice though.

:dancing

[StMark]

He is going. Will be in the evening service. Not sure if he is going to make Choir Practice though.

:dancing


So, are they going to let him speak or just attend???

wouldn't surprised if Obama ends up at the PAW church

[PastorD]

Of course he will speak.

Wonder if that will be friendly audience as that is Democrat land.

[StMark]

Of course he will speak.

Wonder if that will be friendly audience as that is Democrat land.



sure is - lot of union workers up there.

[Walkbyfaith7]

So, are they going to let him speak or just attend???

wouldn't surprised if Obama ends up at the PAW church

Why because of race?

[JaneEyre]

I was thinking of voting for him but this may change my mind. ...

[HeavenlyOne]

Presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee has asked to visit The Apostolic Church of Auburn Hills, MI (Pontiac) tomorrow evening. He has even asked if he can sit in with the band during Praise & Worship. He plays the bass guitar.

Are you for real? I have friends that attend that church!!! If I lived there, that's where I'd go.

[StMark]

I was thinking of voting for him but this may change my mind. ...



why in the world would this change your mind???

[StMark]

Are you for real? I have friends that attend that church!!! If I lived there, that's where I'd go.


why don't you move there ???

[HeavenlyOne]

why don't you move there ???

Cause it's cold there too!! LOL!

Besides, why would I move there?

[StMark]

Cause it's cold there too!! LOL!

Besides, why would I move there?


To go to church there - sounds like you really like the church. I think that would be a good reason and you are use to the cold. you could ge a job in nursing anywhere

[HeavenlyOne]

To go to church there - sounds like you really like the church. I think that would be a good reason and you are use to the cold. you could ge a job in nursing anywhere

I've moved because of a church before. Didn't work, so I'll need a better reason.

I do visit that church when I'm in that area. It's the biggest UPC church I've ever seen.

[Barb]

Presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee has asked to visit The Apostolic Church of Auburn Hills, MI (Pontiac) tomorrow evening. He has even asked if he can sit in with the band during Praise & Worship. He plays the bass guitar.

I've known since Friday morning he was going to be there...

[LaGirl]

He is going. Will be in the evening service. Not sure if he is going to make Choir Practice though.

:dancing

will you be in service? let us know how it goes!

[Monkeyman]

Holy Ghost fall on that place! In Jesus Name!

I hope Buffy & the gang have some ol' skool gospel revved up!

[Barb]

Holy Ghost fall on that place! In Jesus Name!

I hope Buffy & the gang have some ol' skool gospel revved up!

This is how I found out he was coming here, Monk...

One of my brothers is in the choir, and Sis. D called him Friday morning and said that is exactly what they are praying for...the Spirit to fall!!

Knowing Sis. D as I do, the music is hot and anointed...:happydance

How do you know her, Monk?!

[PastorD]

I've known since Friday morning he was going to be there...

I've known since Thurs night . . .

:shhh

[Barb]

I've known since Thurs night . . .

:shhh

LOL!! Wasn't trying to 'one-up' you...was just saying that I knew and didn't say.

[PastorD]

LOL!! Wasn't trying to 'one-up' you...was just saying that I knew and didn't say.

:lovesmenot

LoL

[RandyWayne]

I also pray that eyes remain open. I fear that many would vote for Ted Kennedy if HE showed up at a UPC service. (However he never would, unless in so doing it guaranteed an election win.)

[Monkeyman]

This is how I found out he was coming here, Monk...

One of my brothers is in the choir, and Sis. D called him Friday morning and said that is exactly what they are praying for...the Spirit to fall!!

Knowing Sis. D as I do, the music is hot and anointed...:happydance

How do you know her, Monk?!I know of them because I follow what they have done. You see, Bishop Parent is my wife's cousin and I have grown to love & respect him very much. Back in the day of CLC Youth Choir tours, we made a stop at the church as well and fell in LOVE with the music. I have run into them over the years at a few music conferences.

I have heard all of the stories, listened to the music, and I so appreciate that church for what they do and also for the level of commitment, talent, and service.

I was supposed to take my current youth choir there a few years ago but it fell through on our end...someday....someday.

[Barb]

I know of them because I follow what they have done. You see, Bishop Parent is my wife's cousin and I have grown to love & respect him very much. Back in the day of CLC Youth Choir tours, we made a stop at the church as well and fell in LOVE with the music. I have run into them over the years at a few music conferences.

I have heard all of the stories, listened to the music, and I so appreciate that church for what they do and also for the level of commitment, talent, and service.

I was supposed to take my current youth choir there a few years ago but it fell through on our end...someday....someday.

I knew that and forgot...sorry, Monk...

[StMark]

NOw did I hear right that Hillary was also going to be visiting too :happydance

[Barb]

NOw did I hear right that Hillary was also going to visiting too :happydance

Not funny, son...

[StMark]

Not funny, son...


Why?? what was wrong with that ???? :drama

[Barb]

Why?? what was wrong with that ???? :drama

Nothing I guess...guess I should have said that I thought Sen. C was going to be at y'all's church...:drama

[Tina]

NOw did I hear right that Hillary was also going to be visiting too :happydance

Maybe she should show up, and bring Bill along with her. They both could use a good old fashioned trip to the altar. :bolt

[Margies3]

Are you all going to be able to post pictures from the service? I wonder if one of the news stations in Pontiac will cover it? (duh!)

[rgcraig]

I received this from one of the members of that church:

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f108/rgcraig/0113081938.jpg

[coloradorockies]

I've known since Thurs night . . .

:shhh

Impressive. Are you a prophet that you should know first? :drama

[PastorD]

Impressive. Are you a prophet that you should know first? :drama

Did I claim to be a prophet?

[tv1a]

I get sick of politicians using religion to score brownie points. My point of reference is if you need to tell people you are a christian, you ain't as big of a christian as you need to be.

Presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee has asked to visit The Apostolic Church of Auburn Hills, MI (Pontiac) tomorrow evening. He has even asked if he can sit in with the band during Praise & Worship. He plays the bass guitar.

[PastorD]

Just got off the phone with Sr. Pastor Steve Warman who was telling me what an awesome night it turned out to be.

Huckabee arrived, with 4 Suburbans and a Grey Hound bus full of media in tow, at 4:30 for the 6 p.m. service. The media filmed him coming in and out of the church, but Huckabee would not allow them into the actual service. Steve welcomed them but Huckabee said they would disrupt and ruin the service. They watched a live feed of the service in the fellowship hall.

He spend 1 1/2 in the pastors office talking, taking pictures and enjoying himself. He played the bass during praise & worship, spoke for about 10 minutes, stayed for the entire sermon and altar time, then spent 30 minutes after service shaking hands and taking more pictures.

I did ask Steve if Huckabee had been in a Pentecostal-style service before and he said that Huckabee told him that this was like his home church that was Bapticostal.

Steve preached a message titled "I've got connections." Seems fitting for the service with a potential president.

[Hoovie]

I've moved because of a church before. Didn't work, so I'll need a better reason.

I do visit that church when I'm in that area. It's the biggest UPC church I've ever seen.

How many attend there?

[Hoovie]

Will we see a an internet feed of this??

[PastorD]

How many attend there?

Pastor told me they had just over 2,000 tonight.

[HeavenlyOne]

How many attend there?

I think about 900-1200.....somewhere in that area.

[HeavenlyOne]

Pastor told me they had just over 2,000 tonight.

Then again, I could be wrong......LOL!

[TalkLady]

You can click on PodCast and maybe tonight's service will be there soon.

http://www.theapostolicchurch.com/

[Hoovie]

do I need to register to watch?

[TalkLady]

do I need to register to watch?

I believe so. Probably takes several days for updates of videos, if it's like most church websites. I have several I visit, including this one.

[CC1]

I have been very impressed with Mike Huckabee. He and Fred Thompson most closely match my position.

Fred was my favorite but entered the race three months too late and only this past week began to really catch on and make an impression.

My fear with MH was that while I really like him and his positions that he would be unelectable in a general election. However I have watched him on TV quite a bit the last few weeks and he is very articulate, smart, and comes across well. I think he would probe a good general election canidate for the Republicans against Hillary.

[Hoovie]

I have been very impressed with Mike Huckabee. He and Fred Thompson most closely match my position.

Fred was my favorite but entered the race three months too late and only this past week began to really catch on and make an impression.

My fear with MH was that while I really like him and his positions that he would be unelectable in a general election. However I have watched him on TV quite a bit the last few weeks and he is very articulate, smart, and comes across well. I think he would probe a good general election canidate for the Republicans against Hillary.


Well McCain is not a good alternative, and Romney... hmmm... i just don't know.

[CC1]

Well McCain is not a good alternative, and Romney... hmmm... i just don't know.

I admire McCain's military service and honor him for that but I disagree with a lot of his politics.

Until recently he was for amnesty for illegal aliens but now claims he is for "enforcement" first.

In 2000 he said that Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson were "hate mongers" which shows he is clueless when it comes to evangelical Christians. He has tried to make nice this time around but I have a long memory.

Not to mention his wife was fired from her job as a nurse once for stealing prescription meds from the medicene cabinent to feed an apparent addiction!!! He has managed to keep that skeleton quitely in the closet this time around.

The so called "independents" and the media love McCain because he is the most Democrat of the Republican canidates.

Hucabee and Fred Thompson are my guys. I hope one of them wins the Repub nomination.

[Hoovie]

I admire McCain's military service and honor him for that but I disagree with a lot of his politics.

Until recently he was for amnesty for illegal aliens but now claims he is for "enforcement" first.

In 2000 he said that Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson were "hate mongers" which shows he is clueless when it comes to evangelical Christians. He has tried to make nice this time around but I have a long memory.

Not to mention his wife was fired from her job as a nurse once for stealing prescription meds from the medicene cabinent to feed an apparent addiction!!! He has managed to keep that skeleton quitely in the closet this time around.

The so called "independents" and the media love McCain because he is the most Democrat of the Republican canidates.

Hucabee and Fred Thompson are my guys. I hope one of them wins the Repub nomination.

Then you better join me in supporting HUCK cause it is too late for Thomson, and they attract the same voters.

[SoCaliUPC]

sure is - lot of union workers up there.

Not all union people are demoncrats.

[LadyCoonskinner]

I get sick of politicians using religion to score brownie points. My point of reference is if you need to tell people you are a christian, you ain't as big of a christian as you need to be.

I get sick of Christians who always post with a negative attitude about other Christians.

(no smilies on purpose)

[tv1a]

There is more than that. My sister says it won't be long until they have to expand the sanctuary. They have only been in the new building a couple of years.

I think about 900-1200.....somewhere in that area.

[tv1a]

The Bible says the world will know your disciples because of love. If you have to tell a person you are a chrsitian, than your christianity isn't worth the stuff floating around in septic tank.

Oh I forgot. You can fake christianity by a subjective dress code and a hair bun. Do that and a person doesn't need as much love. (I never do smilies.)


I get sick of Christians who always post with a negative attitude about other Christians.

(no smilies on purpose)

[tv1a]

There is no place for a political rally during church. I don't like it when Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Clinton, Edwards, and Obama bring politics into the pulpit. I feel the same for any republican who uses the pulpit as a political tool.

[chseeads]

I just heard Huckabee's trip to the Apostolic Church of Auburn Hills mentioned on the radio while ago.

[vrblackwell]

I believe this church was on the list as one of the top 100 fastest growing churches in America this past year.

[HeavenlyOne]

There is more than that. My sister says it won't be long until they have to expand the sanctuary. They have only been in the new building a couple of years.

I have only been there on two Sunday mornings and one Sunday evening. While there were lots of people there, it wasn't that full. I didn't go during any holidays either, thus the reason why I put down the numbers I did. It was also the numbers given to me by one of the members I personally know.

I'm also sure that, like many other churches, you have frequent fliers that come and go from time to time. I'm sure that if all members who even attended half the time came to one service, the church would be more than packed. I was counting those that are faithful, IMO.

I do like that church though. I live about 8 hours away, but I'd attend there if I lived in that area. I love their music, choirs, and moving of the service. God is there, that's for sure. My son loves it also, and meets new friends everytime we visit, and we'll be there next in April, I hoping.

[Barb]

There is no place for a political rally during church. I don't like it when Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Clinton, Edwards, and Obama bring politics into the pulpit. I feel the same for any republican who uses the pulpit as a political tool.First of all, having visited this chuch many times, and knowing the leadership, they would NEVER turn a service into a political rally.

Secondly, if we knew for certain he were using the pulpit as a political too, I would be the first to say that you are just in your view.

However, these are the facts as I know them...MH mentioned to those working on his campaign that he wanted to attend service on Sunday.

Someone from his campaign who lives in this area and has visited the Apostolic Church told MH about it...gave him the info regarding the Website...he checked it out, listening to the choir and Pastor W preach...said that this was where he wanted to go, and he stayed through the entire service.

Thirdly, MH is the one who asked the media to not attend...

Now it just seems to me that if the man had wanted to make it a political scene, he would have been happy to have it televised.

This is just how I see it from my house...

[Michael Phelps]

There is more than that. My sister says it won't be long until they have to expand the sanctuary. They have only been in the new building a couple of years.

The last time I visited The Apostolic Church (which was my home church for many years) they were running around 1800.

[Hoovie]

I just heard Huckabee's trip to the Apostolic Church of Auburn Hills mentioned on the radio while ago.

I believe this church was on the list as one of the top 100 fastest growing churches in America this past year.

The last time I visited The Apostolic Church (which was my home church for many years) they were running around 1800.

This is awesome! I want to know more about this church. Anyone from there post here? I wish they would share more...

[BrotherEastman]

well, is it a done deal ?? is he going ???

what as RBs final word on that ??

would they give the same chance to Obama or the Clintons?
Uuuuuuuummmm, Anthony Mangun would. (not that thats a bad thing.)

[tv1a]

If I'm not mistaken, the Warmans have family roots in Arkansas. So it could be a trip down memory lane.
But with politicians, you can't trust the motives.

First of all, having visited this chuch many times, and knowing the leadership, they would NEVER turn a service into a political rally.

Secondly, if we knew for certain he were using the pulpit as a political too, I would be the first to say that you are just in your view.

However, these are the facts as I know them...MH mentioned to those working on his campaign that he wanted to attend service on Sunday.

Someone from his campaign who lives in this area and has visited the Apostolic Church told MH about it...gave him the info regarding the Website...he checked it out, listening to the choir and Pastor W preach...said that this was where he wanted to go, and he stayed through the entire service.

Thirdly, MH is the one who asked the media to not attend...

Now it just seems to me that if the man had wanted to make it a political scene, he would have been happy to have it televised.

This is just how I see it from my house...

[tv1a]

I have my calendar blocked for their Youth Inferno. It makes Youth Congress look like flannel graph art.

The last time I visited The Apostolic Church (which was my home church for many years) they were running around 1800.

[LadyCoonskinner]

The Bible says the world will know your disciples because of love. If you have to tell a person you are a chrsitian, than your christianity isn't worth the stuff floating around in septic tank.

Oh I forgot. You can fake christianity by a subjective dress code and a hair bun. Do that and a person doesn't need as much love. (I never do smilies.)

Are you inferring that because I CHOOSE to dress the way I do, that I don't have love. Look at your OWN statement and see who shows more love, you or me?

You sir, have a severely NEGATIVE attitude.

Just because I believe in holiness INSIDE AND OUT does NOT mean that I don't possess love.

I don't FAKE anything concerning my Christianity or my belief. I'm proud of what I believe and how I live. I don't have to answer to you for that and it's a good thing.

I believe that you need to take a trip down to the altar and ask the Lord to give you a different perspective from which you need to view others, Christian or not!

[KarenJo]

Are you inferring that because I CHOOSE to dress the way I do, that I don't have love. Look at your OWN statement and see who shows more love, you or me?

You sir, have a severely NEGATIVE attitude.

Just because I believe in holiness INSIDE AND OUT does NOT mean that I don't possess love.

I don't FAKE anything concerning my Christianity or my belief. I'm proud of what I believe and how I live. I don't have to answer to you for that and it's a good thing.

I believe that you need to take a trip down to the altar and ask the Lord to give you a different perspective from which you need to view others, Christian or not!

I agree with what you are saying. Standards should never be looked at as a restriction. While not heaven or hell issues, we need to look at the attitude behind the issue. If you are dressing to catch the eye of a man or women (depending on your gender) then you don't need to wear it. I know someone in a church that had plastic surgery and the tops got tighter and the neckline got lower. Who cares about what you had done, we just don't want to see it. Keep it at home. It's all about drawing attention to yourself. I remember Sis. JH telling a group of us girls that she made sure that when she tried on an outfit her and her sister would "shout" and raise their hands to make sure that nothing showed. If you are on a platform, why give way to the temptation of someone staring at you in any way that isn't Godly. You want them to see Jesus and not you the individual. My 2 cents...

[Discerner]

First of all, having visited this chuch many times, and knowing the leadership, they would NEVER turn a service into a political rally.

Secondly, if we knew for certain he were using the pulpit as a political too, I would be the first to say that you are just in your view.

However, these are the facts as I know them...MH mentioned to those working on his campaign that he wanted to attend service on Sunday.

Someone from his campaign who lives in this area and has visited the Apostolic Church told MH about it...gave him the info regarding the Website...he checked it out, listening to the choir and Pastor W preach...said that this was where he wanted to go, and he stayed through the entire service.

Thirdly, MH is the one who asked the media to not attend...

Now it just seems to me that if the man had wanted to make it a political scene, he would have been happy to have it televised.

This is just how I see it from my house...

All the negatives posters on this one are just jealous that Huck didnt choose their church.

[HeavenlyOne]

All the negatives posters on this one are just jealous that Huck didnt choose their church.

ROFL!!!

That's good!

[LadyCoonskinner]

All the negatives posters on this one are just jealous that Huck didnt choose their church.

You da man (woman)!!!!!!!!!:happydance:happydance:happydance: happydance

[tv1a]

A lot of sin is swept under the rug because the hair-do is right and the skirts are long enough. Many are led to a unscriptural conclusion that a dress code is what separates the disciples of Christ from the world.

I made a remark that if a christian who has to tell the world he's a christian isn't as big of a christian as he think he is. The church didn't slap the label christian on their backs. They were content to be followers of Christ. The world labeled them as chriistians, and that was more of a slur than a compliment.

The drooling over Huckabee's visit to the church is so insincere, considering some of the posters had a problem with the Clintons visiting the Manguns in Alexandria. Considering some posters had a problem with Obama and Hillary speaking at Rick Warren's church, yet turn around and pat a upc congregation on the back for having a republican is incosistent. btw, I know a few people who would consider it an insult to label the church in Auburn Hills a upci church. They are not affilliated with the upci. Some of the ministerial staff are licensed with upci, but the church isn't.

At least I'm consistent. I don't like political pulpits for anyone. Even if the press wasn't allowed in the service, the photo-ops were plenty.

If anything good came out of the Huckabee visit, it would be the church was mentioned in every media outlet in that area a number of times. One can't buy publicity like that.

As I indicated in another thread, another person has suddenly become mute when I called him out on his off based whacked out opinion. When I presented the facts, the person cowered into the darkness, never to respond.

Your only response to the post of mine you intially had a problem with was a negative response. I considered why the hostile comment. The reasonable conclusion is your definition of christianity and holiness is tied up in external and subjective developments. I have no control over that. That is your weight to bear.

Bottom line, love is the evidence of discipleship. A subejective dress code is nothing more than a masquarade.

You think I have a negative attitude? I feel more peace than Dan A. sitting front and center at the Tulsa Tango.


Are you inferring that because I CHOOSE to dress the way I do, that I don't have love. Look at your OWN statement and see who shows more love, you or me?

You sir, have a severely NEGATIVE attitude.

Just because I believe in holiness INSIDE AND OUT does NOT mean that I don't possess love.

I don't FAKE anything concerning my Christianity or my belief. I'm proud of what I believe and how I live. I don't have to answer to you for that and it's a good thing.

I believe that you need to take a trip down to the altar and ask the Lord to give you a different perspective from which you need to view others, Christian or not!

[tv1a]

Almost all the Huckabee droolers gave themselves wedgies when Obama and Hillary visited Rick Warren's church, and the Clinton's visited Alexandria... Why the sudden flip flop? Obama and Hillary were at Saddleback to raise awareness for aids victims in third world countries and you would have thought some people on this forum would have come unglued. All we are asking for is some consistency. Can't seem to get it with dress codes, televisions, or internet. Don't see how we are going to be consistent with our politics as well.

All the negatives posters on this one are just jealous that Huck didnt choose their church.

[PastorD]

TV....do you disagree that Huckabee's visit wasn't newsworthy?

I can assure you. . . .it was posted with no drool.

[TalkLady]

A lot of sin is swept under the rug because the hair-do is right and the skirts are long enough. Many are led to a unscriptural conclusion that a dress code is what separates the disciples of Christ from the world.

I made a remark that if a christian who has to tell the world he's a christian isn't as big of a christian as he think he is. The church didn't slap the label christian on their backs. They were content to be followers of Christ. The world labeled them as chriistians, and that was more of a slur than a compliment.

The drooling over Huckabee's visit to the church is so insincere, considering some of the posters had a problem with the Clintons visiting the Manguns in Alexandria. Considering some posters had a problem with Obama and Hillary speaking at Rick Warren's church, yet turn around and pat a upc congregation on the back for having a republican is incosistent. btw, I know a few people who would consider it an insult to label the church in Auburn Hills a upci church. They are not affilliated with the upci. Some of the ministerial staff are licensed with upci, but the church isn't.

At least I'm consistent. I don't like political pulpits for anyone. Even if the press wasn't allowed in the service, the photo-ops were plenty.

If anything good came out of the Huckabee visit, it would be the church was mentioned in every media outlet in that area a number of times. One can't buy publicity like that.

As I indicated in another thread, another person has suddenly become mute when I called him out on his off based whacked out opinion. When I presented the facts, the person cowered into the darkness, never to respond.

Your only response to the post of mine you intially had a problem with was a negative response. I considered why the hostile comment. The reasonable conclusion is your definition of christianity and holiness is tied up in external and subjective developments. I have no control over that. That is your weight to bear.

Bottom line, love is the evidence of discipleship. A subejective dress code is nothing more than a masquarade.

You think I have a negative attitude? I feel more peace than Dan A. sitting front and center at the Tulsa Tango.

It isn't always the women with the long skirts and the buns who get the passes for bad behavior. If the man is a "good old boy" in some churches he gets the pass, too, Just recently I have learned that sometimes it doesn't matter what type of unethical shenanigans he performs - as long as he's "faithful" to the church. It isn't always a "female" thing. I think God must be sick of this. I know I am....Sis. Coonskinner, I appreciate your dedication to standards. This post is in no way directed to you or any other woman or man who sincerely adhere to standards and live upright dedicated lives.

[Sherri]

It isn't always the women with the long skirts and the buns who get the passes for bad behavior. If the man is a "good old boy" in some churches he gets the pass, too, Just recently I have learned that sometimes it doesn't matter what type of unethical shenanigans he performs - as long as he's "faithful" to the church. It isn't always a "female" thing. I think God must be sick of this. I know I am....Sis. Coonskinner, I appreciate your dedication to standards. This post is in no way directed to you or any other woman or man who sincerely adhere to standards and live upright dedicated lives.
Hi, Talk Lady!!! I've missed you.

[TalkLady]

Hi, Talk Lady!!! I've missed you.

Hi, Sherri!! ...I am here...Back with bells on (whatever that means)...Where is tamor? I don't see her post very often, but then I am not here as much as in the past. My computer was "hijacked" for awhile, but I am back!! :happydance

[Sherri]

Hi, Sherri!! ...I am here...Back with bells on (whatever that means)...Where is tamor? I don't see her post very often, but then I am not here as much as in the past. My computer was "hijacked" for awhile, but I am back!! :happydanceShe hasn't been on as much lately, but I think she was on earlier today. Her hubby had a bad wreck and they've been pretty caught up in all that goes along with that. MRI's, therapy, etc.

[TalkLady]

I read that about her husband. I hope he has recovered or is well on the way to recovery.

[Barb]

A lot of sin is swept under the rug because the hair-do is right and the skirts are long enough. Many are led to a unscriptural conclusion that a dress code is what separates the disciples of Christ from the world.

I made a remark that if a christian who has to tell the world he's a christian isn't as big of a christian as he think he is. The church didn't slap the label christian on their backs. They were content to be followers of Christ. The world labeled them as chriistians, and that was more of a slur than a compliment.

The drooling over Huckabee's visit to the church is so insincere, considering some of the posters had a problem with the Clintons visiting the Manguns in Alexandria. Considering some posters had a problem with Obama and Hillary speaking at Rick Warren's church, yet turn around and pat a upc congregation on the back for having a republican is incosistent. btw, I know a few people who would consider it an insult to label the church in Auburn Hills a upci church. They are not affilliated with the upci. Some of the ministerial staff are licensed with upci, but the church isn't.

At least I'm consistent. I don't like political pulpits for anyone. Even if the press wasn't allowed in the service, the photo-ops were plenty.

If anything good came out of the Huckabee visit, it would be the church was mentioned in every media outlet in that area a number of times. One can't buy publicity like that.

As I indicated in another thread, another person has suddenly become mute when I called him out on his off based whacked out opinion. When I presented the facts, the person cowered into the darkness, never to respond.

Your only response to the post of mine you intially had a problem with was a negative response. I considered why the hostile comment. The reasonable conclusion is your definition of christianity and holiness is tied up in external and subjective developments. I have no control over that. That is your weight to bear.

Bottom line, love is the evidence of discipleship. A subejective dress code is nothing more than a masquarade.

You think I have a negative attitude? I feel more peace than Dan A. sitting front and center at the Tulsa Tango.

And this is exactly why I didn't mention it here when I first heard...

[tv1a]

I have a problem with politicians using religion for gain. This election is getting to be about who is a better christian, who can visit the most churches, who can get the evangelical vote. Every politician has an ulterior motive. Huckabee wouldn't be there if there wasn't an political opportunity.

I have a problem with the double standard. When the Clintons visited Alexandria, or when there were Democrats visiting Saddleback, there some who thought they allowed the anti-christ to arrive.

I don't think any less of the leadership or the church because of the visit. Their staff is better than most upci districts. They still rank the second best church in the world (Behind mine, of course).

TV....do you disagree that Huckabee's visit wasn't newsworthy?

I can assure you. . . .it was posted with no drool.

[tv1a]

Is it because it appears only certain politicians can visit upci churches and others can't? Put Jesse Jackson behind the pulpit and watch the sparks fly.Watch people talk.
And this is exactly why I didn't mention it here when I first heard...

[tv1a]

You got a point the good old boys get a pass, especially if they have deep pockets.

The point every seems to miss is the church has misplace priorities on what it means to be a disciple of Christ. Jesus spelled it out when he said people know we are His disciples because of love. The rest of it is a facade.

It isn't always the women with the long skirts and the buns who get the passes for bad behavior. If the man is a "good old boy" in some churches he gets the pass, too, Just recently I have learned that sometimes it doesn't matter what type of unethical shenanigans he performs - as long as he's "faithful" to the church. It isn't always a "female" thing. I think God must be sick of this. I know I am....Sis. Coonskinner, I appreciate your dedication to standards. This post is in no way directed to you or any other woman or man who sincerely adhere to standards and live upright dedicated lives.

[Monkeyman]

I have a problem with politicians using religion for gain. This election is getting to be about who is a better christian, who can visit the most churches, who can get the evangelical vote. Every politician has an ulterior motive. Huckabee wouldn't be there if there wasn't an political opportunity.

I have a problem with the double standard. When the Clintons visited Alexandria, or when there were Democrats visiting Saddleback, there some who thought they allowed the anti-christ to arrive.

I don't think any less of the leadership or the church because of the visit. Their staff is better than most upci districts. They still rank the second best church in the world (Behind mine, of course).If I can interrupt your rants for a sec, thanks...I am one of the one that supported Pastor Warmen, I also am UPC, and, I also have had no problem with POA or Saddleback for allowing a politician to visit or speak at their service. In fact, if you go back to the thread about Hillary visiting Saddleback, I started a thread asking who would/wouldn't let Prez Hillary speak at your service if she asked....do you remember that? So you will at least give me props that I'm consistent, riiight? Right??? Hello???

So...I am expecting a statement/blurb from you that somehow states that there are those in the upc rank and file that are at least consistent in their beliefs...thank you, you may continue...

[Monkeyman]

Also, we parts ways again because I don't have a problem with a church disagreeing with a politicians platform/party so much as not to invite or allow a certain persuasion behind their pulpit. THEY/pastor has the right to say who or who isn't allowed there IMO...

[CC1]

Like most things in life moderation is a key to this type thing.

I have absolutely no problem with a church allowing a canidate a chance to greet the congregation and any church should be pleased to have a leader in service anytime.

Now if the church becomes unbalanced and the services become political rallies rather than services that is wrong. The occasional visit and honoring of high profile leaders is different.

I would be pleased and proud if Mike Huckabee visited my church but I doubt that is going to happen as CC really avoids politics.

My pastors brother in law is a former United States Congressman who recently ran for Mayor of Nashville and lost. I don't think he ever greeted the congregation even though technically he and his wife are members at CC and I see him there pretty often.

[PastorD]

TV.....by your MANY statements, I am guessing that if Huck or any of the others wanted to visit your church you would say no?

Turn down the opportunity for all the exposure in your city?

[CC1]

Here is a little funny something regarding politics that happened at my church last Sunday.

The pastoral care pastor greets visitor, announces the offering, etc each Sunday and occasionally has special stuff. This past Sunday he brought to the pulpit a 17 year old girl who is a member of our church and who has been chosen to go spend six months in Washington DC as a Congressional Page. It is a big honor as only 30 new pages are chosen each time nationwide.

When he was interviewing her a little about her opportunity he asked her if she was interested in politics, etc. He then said he thought she would make a great FIRST woman President. The inference was obvious and the congregation had a good laugh.

[tv1a]

Did you miss the part of my post which says "There Are Some"? If you aren't the some which I spoke about, then there's nothing to worry about.

If I can interrupt your rants for a sec, thanks...I am one of the one that supported Pastor Warmen, I also am UPC, and, I also have had no problem with POA or Saddleback for allowing a politician to visit or speak at their service. In fact, if you go back to the thread about Hillary visiting Saddleback, I started a thread asking who would/wouldn't let Prez Hillary speak at your service if she asked....do you remember that? So you will at least give me props that I'm consistent, riiight? Right??? Hello???

So...I am expecting a statement/blurb from you that somehow states that there are those in the upc rank and file that are at least consistent in their beliefs...thank you, you may continue...

[tv1a]

I would not refuse anyone the opportunity to be impacted by God's presence.
Somewhere in the new testament, there is a commandment not to treat the the high and mighty any better than a pauper. The people I know @ the Auburn Hills church are classy people who follow that scriptural mandate and treat everyone equal.

The presence of a politician during the heat of a presidential race is more agenda driven than spritual driven. I just don't like to see the church drawn into personality driven politics. Unfortunately, the last time the Body of Christ made a historical impact politically was during the civil rights movement.

TV.....by your MANY statements, I am guessing that if Huck or any of the others wanted to visit your church you would say no?

Turn down the opportunity for all the exposure in your city?

[Hoovie]

Well, the latest national poll has Huck double the points of Romney and McCain edging out Huck for first.



http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN1554681020080117?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true

[Monkeyman]

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I saw this pic on Drudge Report this morning, I think this is the church in Pontiac. It is small, but I think I see Pastor Warmen on the right???

[Barb]

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j114/JonTheMonkeyman/capt30b6f84912f441b6b47413b7f5a5543.jpg

I saw this pic on Drudge Report this morning, I think this is the church in Pontiac. It is small, but I think I see Pastor Warmen on the right???

Yes, it is, and yes, you do...