The ALJC and TV

[stmatthew]

HAHA!!!! The first TV thread (I think). :bliss



As we all know, the UPCI has tabled the issue of the resolution to allow advertisement on tv. It is scheduled to come up at this years GC in Tampa, FL.

So with that, I would like to go a different way with this subject. I think the ALJC as an Apostolic Org is a potential group for the UPCI to study. They allow their memebers to have tv, and also allow the churches to advertise, and broadcast on tv.

So what has the effect been on them?

Have they lost holiness standards?

Have they left the Truth of Oneness, and baptism in Jesus Name?

Where do you see the ALJC as an org?



Whatever your answers are to the above, I believe if the UPCI allows tv, they will begin to mirror the ALJC more.

What say Ye??

[Neck]

HAHA!!!! The first TV thread (I think). :bliss



As we all know, the UPCI has tabled the issue of the resolution to allow advertisement on tv. It is scheduled to come up at this years GC in Tampa, FL.

So with that, I would like to go a different way with this subject. I think the ALJC as an Apostolic Org is a potential group for the UPCI to study. They allow their memebers to have tv, and also allow the churches to advertise, and broadcast on tv.

So what has the effect been on them?

Have they lost holiness standards?

Have they left the Truth of Oneness, and baptism in Jesus Name?

Where do you see the ALJC as an org?



Whatever your answers are to the above, I believe if the UPCI allows tv, they will begin to mirror the ALJC more.

What say Ye??

i don't know about the advertisement issues and the UPCI. I know my church has advertised on TV and Radio.

[OneAccord]

The ALJC (Memphis, TN) is a fine organization. They are open to fellowship with all OPs and, while there may be some liberal churches within the group, they seem to be more moderate than the UPC, which is conservative. Billy McCool of the First Apostolic Church in Knoxville was (and may still be) on TV, and his church is moderately conservative (if that is a label). Good group, good organization.

[The Dean]

Ironically, its not a growing organization overall. If television is the 'answer' then someone should explain the ALJC to the Apostolic movement.

They have some good men. They have some solid men. Even so it's interesting that it's dwindling and many of their key people - even officials - are leaving and going UPC.

I agree with Matt. If TV is the answer then someone needs to explain the ALJC's decline. It's not a lack of good people.

[Steve Epley]

My observations are if the tv ban has hindered growth the tv allowance hasn't worked for the ALJC either as an organization or in their churches.

[ZeroedIn]

Ironically, its not a growing organization overall. If television is the 'answer' then someone should explain the ALJC to the Apostolic movement.

They have some good men. They have some solid men. Even so it's interesting that it's dwindling and many of their key people - even officials - are leaving and going UPC.

I agree with Matt. If TV is the answer then someone needs to explain the ALJC's decline. It's not a lack of good people.

It certainly doesn't seem to have helped their growth, which is what is being used as the reason to go on tv by those in the UPC that are for it!:dunno

[stmatthew]

Wonder why there are so few of the pro-tv folks not posting on this thread. :D


I think the ALJC is a good example of a pro-tv org. While I do not think it has really did much for their growth, I also do not see them going to hell in a handbasket.

If just seems to me that the tv study committee should make the ALJC a big part of their study. Maybe they are? I don't know. I would love to have one of them come here and give us a rough outline of how they are going about this study.

[Nahum]

Wonder why there are so few of the pro-tv folks not posting on this thread. :D


I think the ALJC is a good example of a pro-tv org. While I do not think it has really did much for their growth, I also do not see them going to hell in a handbasket.

If just seems to me that the tv study committee should make the ALJC a big part of their study. Maybe they are? I don't know. I would love to have one of them come here and give us a rough outline of how they are going about this study.

Exactly!

I am pro tv in the sense that I think the technologies are not evil - only content.

The ALJC is proof positive that both extremes are probably wrong. Television won't singlehandedly win the world, and it for sure wouldn't destroy the church.

It is in effect, a non-issue. Much ado about nothing.

[Kutless]

Exactly!

I am pro tv in the sense that I think the technologies are not evil - only content.

The ALJC is proof positive that both extremes are probably wrong. Television won't singlehandedly win the world, and it for sure wouldn't destroy the church.

It is in effect, a non-issue. Much ado about nothing.I agree with PP. The issue is content.

[Sister Truth Seeker]

HAHA!!!! The first TV thread (I think). :bliss



As we all know, the UPCI has tabled the issue of the resolution to allow advertisement on tv. It is scheduled to come up at this years GC in Tampa, FL.

So with that, I would like to go a different way with this subject. I think the ALJC as an Apostolic Org is a potential group for the UPCI to study. They allow their memebers to have tv, and also allow the churches to advertise, and broadcast on tv.

So what has the effect been on them?

Have they lost holiness standards?

Have they left the Truth of Oneness, and baptism in Jesus Name?

Where do you see the ALJC as an org?



Whatever your answers are to the above, I believe if the UPCI allows tv, they will begin to mirror the ALJC more.

What say Ye??

When the UPC allows TV everyone will be able to take them out of the closet...I think many already have them, they just don't talk about it...As a mature woman and saint I feel I have good judgment and can have a TV and not watch trash...

Many years ago when my son was small he was never allowed to just sit in front of the TV for hours on end...he had a room full of books and he loved to read...I would not have let him sit in front of a computer either if we had had one back then

[OneAccord]

Has TV helped the ALJC grow as an organization? Have those ALJC churches that have TV grown in size? Probably not. But "growth" really isn't the point.

Another question: Has Harvestime and local church radio broadcasts helped the UPC and its churches grow? Have the millions of UPC tracts helped the organization grow? Who can really say, but, again, "growth" really isn't the point.

Winning souls.... now thats the point. I'll use Bro. McCools ALJC church in Knoxville as an example. His program is aired on Sundays and at least three regional correctional facilities are within that veiwing area. That doesn't include the many local jails, nursing homes, homeless shelters and hospitals that are in the veiwing area. And the countless homes in the Knowxville area.
Bro. McCool wasn't called, and neither are other ministers, to make their organizations grow. They are called to preach the Gospel to every creature. Their calling is to present the Gospel in such a way as to bring sinners to conviction, and, ultimately, do all they can to bring them to repentance.
If we focus our attention away from making our organizations grow and prosper, and focus again on what God called us to do, maybe we'll gain a new perspective on using whatever means God has given us to reach souls for His Kingdom

Growth isn't always success. Which groups are growing? Those that are leaving their foundations and preaching a more socially acceptable gospel. If organizational growth is what we are after, we should preach what the world wants to hear. We'll definitely grow, but we'll fail in the Great Commission. Lets continue to preach the Word, focus our attention on winning souls to the Lord, and let the organization and local church grow as the Lord willls it to.


Jesus preached by word of mouth.
Paul used letters to preach the Gospel
The printing press was invented and utilized to spread the Gospel
Radio came along and preachers everywhere utilized the radio waves to preach the Word.
TV was invented and we who have the truth have all but ignored its potential.
The Internet is here and its used far and wide to present the Truth.

Our job is to preach the Gospel to ALL the world.

[Rhoni]

HAHA!!!! The first TV thread (I think). :bliss



As we all know, the UPCI has tabled the issue of the resolution to allow advertisement on tv. It is scheduled to come up at this years GC in Tampa, FL.

So with that, I would like to go a different way with this subject. I think the ALJC as an Apostolic Org is a potential group for the UPCI to study. They allow their memebers to have tv, and also allow the churches to advertise, and broadcast on tv.

So what has the effect been on them?

Have they lost holiness standards?

Have they left the Truth of Oneness, and baptism in Jesus Name?

Where do you see the ALJC as an org?



Whatever your answers are to the above, I believe if the UPCI allows tv, they will begin to mirror the ALJC more.

What say Ye??

Most of the ALJC churches I know of have a more rigid dress standard and are much more conservative. They do not allow licensed ministers to be divorced. I think that they dwell more on moral and inner issues than many of the UPCI churches. They aren't so hung up on inconsequentials, like T.V.:tease

[deadeye]

Maybe the question should be, does TV advertising help individual churches grow, rather then organizations?

[Praxeas]

Ironically, its not a growing organization overall. If television is the 'answer' then someone should explain the ALJC to the Apostolic movement.

They have some good men. They have some solid men. Even so it's interesting that it's dwindling and many of their key people - even officials - are leaving and going UPC.

I agree with Matt. If TV is the answer then someone needs to explain the ALJC's decline. It's not a lack of good people.
Can someone prove that TV contributed to their decline? Maybe it was some other issues and in which case no amount of advertisement could help anyways. (Besides they don't just advertise on tv, they allow TV)

[Praxeas]

Wonder why there are so few of the pro-tv folks not posting on this thread. :D


I think the ALJC is a good example of a pro-tv org. While I do not think it has really did much for their growth, I also do not see them going to hell in a handbasket.

If just seems to me that the tv study committee should make the ALJC a big part of their study. Maybe they are? I don't know. I would love to have one of them come here and give us a rough outline of how they are going about this study.
How about the Assemblies of God? How about individual churchs like T.D. Jakes?

[Praxeas]

BTW...maybe the problem is or was that they didn't use the medium correctly

[stmatthew]

How about the Assemblies of God? How about individual churchs like T.D. Jakes?

I think that if we are going to look at what the effect tv is having on Apostolics, we need to, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, look at other Apostolics. Therefore, Jakes and the AOG would not be ones we should look at.

[The Dean]

I think that if we are going to look at what the effect tv is having on Apostolics, we need to, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, look at other Apostolics. Therefore, Jakes and the AOG would not be ones we should look at.

I agree completely. When truth is involved there are entirely different dynamics that have to be considered. What may work for those who don't have truth may not work at all for those who genuinely promote doctrines of truth.

I'm not against talent and striving for excellence but that can never take the place of genuine truth preaching. Interestingly enough, when Saul (who didn't intend to be right) was troubled he was satisfied with a musician playing and singing to soothe his spirit; when David (a man after God's own heart) was troubled the first thing he did was call for a Preacher. And not just any preacher but one who had never backed away from telling him the truth.

As it pertains to most television ministries, their strength is in their talents. As it pertains to truth? Truth IS our strength. I think God designed it that way.

Most of the people I hear speak of television ministries have very little respect for them and see 90% of them as money hungry clowns. Strangely, I find many people that respect us for never stepping into the comedic sacrilege that seems to define TBN.

[Praxeas]

I think that if we are going to look at what the effect tv is having on Apostolics, we need to, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, look at other Apostolics. Therefore, Jakes and the AOG would not be ones we should look at.
Why would TV have one effect on Apostolics and not on non-Apostolics? That doesn't make sense. There seems to be a lot left out of this picture. There is no foundation upon which to stand...for example , as stated....what evidence is there that TV would have a different effect on Apostolic churchs than non-Apostolic churchs?

[Praxeas]

I agree completely. When truth is involved there are entirely different dynamics that have to be considered. What may work for those who don't have truth may not work at all for those who genuinely promote doctrines of truth.

I'm not against talent and striving for excellence but that can never take the place of genuine truth preaching. Interestingly enough, when Saul (who didn't intend to be right) was troubled he was satisfied with a musician playing and singing to soothe his spirit; when David (a man after God's own heart) was troubled the first thing he did was call for a Preacher. And not just any preacher but one who had never backed away from telling him the truth.

As it pertains to most television ministries, their strength is in their talents. As it pertains to truth? Truth IS our strength. I think God designed it that way.

Most of the people I hear speak of television ministries have very little respect for them and see 90% of them as money hungry clowns. Strangely, I find many people that respect us for never stepping into the comedic sacrilege that seems to define TBN.
IF that is true....if that is really true then perhaps the REAL reason the Apostolic churchs that do TV aren't thriving have nothing to do with TV but doctrine?

I mean...who not the same thing with newspaper? Tracts? Radio? Internet?

If truth is our strength then why would it HINDER us to spread the truth on TV just as we are via radio and internet?

There is a HUGE missing link here you guys are making...a huge leap in logic

[The Dean]

IF that is true....if that is really true then perhaps the REAL reason the Apostolic churchs that do TV aren't thriving have nothing to do with TV but doctrine?

I mean...who not the same thing with newspaper? Tracts? Radio? Internet?

If truth is our strength then why would it HINDER us to spread the truth on TV just as we are via radio and internet?

There is a HUGE missing link here you guys are making...a huge leap in logic

I really don't think so. The key reason, in my opinion, is that most television stations wouldn't allow strong doctrinal preaching anyway. I can't see one lasting very long that preached any kind of real absolutes either in doctrine or separation.

I stand by truth, when genuinely promoted, being a totally different dynamic.

In either case, I fear that time may be the great 'revealer'.

[Praxeas]

I really don't think so. The key reason, in my opinion, is that most television stations wouldn't allow strong doctrinal preaching anyway. I can't see one lasting very long that preached any kind of real absolutes either in doctrine or separation.

I stand by truth, when genuinely promoted, being a totally different dynamic.

In either case, I fear that time may be the great 'revealer'.
That doesn't necessarily signal the downfall of a church or organization. You can use it to get them through the door then preach everything in a regular service.

You never see any of these guys doing that either..I suppose if we booked a spot on daystar we can preach against Homosexuals etc etc.....

[Rhoni]

I think that if we are going to look at what the effect tv is having on Apostolics, we need to, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, look at other Apostolics. Therefore, Jakes and the AOG would not be ones we should look at.

This is where many APOSTOLICS go wrong...thinking they have a monopoly on God and the truth. We Apostolics have copied the Baptist's in bus ministry, followed the other organizations in missions, home missions, and fund raising...we lag behind and follow others.

If Apostolics are to lead...they have to get out there where the people are and reap the harvest. If you think the world needs what we have then get out there through the use of media and get it going...stop being the follower and be the leader! Stop being the tail and be the head. Stop being the last and be the first. Get with the program!:highfive

Blessings, Rhoni

[Charlie Brown]

This is where many APOSTOLICS go wrong...thinking they have a monopoly on God and the truth. We Apostolics have copied the Baptist's in bus ministry, followed the other organizations in missions, home missions, and fund raising...we lag behind and follow others.

If Apostolics are to lead...they have to get out there where the people are and reap the harvest. If you think the world needs what we have then get out there through the use of media and get it going...stop being the follower and be the leader! Stop being the tail and be the head. Stop being the last and be the first. Get with the program!:highfive

Blessings, Rhoni


To late to "lead" in the tv campaign. The Assemblies of Gods, and the rest of the charismaniacs have already beat us to the finish line. :tease

[Whole Hearted]

My observations are if the tv ban has hindered growth the tv allowance hasn't worked for the ALJC either as an organization or in their churches.

Everyone seems to ignore this fact. If TV is the answer why isn't the ALJC outpacing the UPC. Why don't they have many large mega churches?

[Garfield]

Everyone seems to ignore this fact. If TV is the answer why isn't the ALJC outpacing the UPC. Why don't they have many large mega churches?



Incompetent Leadership?

[Steadfast]

Everyone seems to ignore this fact. If TV is the answer why isn't the ALJC outpacing the UPC. Why don't they have many large mega churches?

I tend to agree with you on this one... the question was basically asked, "If TV is the answer why isn't the ALJC as a movment growing?"

I find it interesting, if not revealing, that there are no 'takers' on this one.

[Steadfast]

Incompetent Leadership?

Their leaders seem to be fine, upstanding men. I know most of them.

Has to be something else.

[Garfield]

Their leaders seem to be fine, upstanding men. I know most of them.

Has to be something else.



Thanks.

[Whole Hearted]

I tend to agree with you on this one... the question was basically asked, "If TV is the answer why isn't the ALJC as a movment growing?"

I find it interesting, if not revealing, that there are no 'takers' on this one.

Funny isn't it, that there are no takers?

If TV is the answer why isn't the ALJC as a movement growing?

[vrblackwell]

Funny isn't it, that there are no takers?

If TV is the answer why isn't the ALJC as a movement growing?


No one that I am aware of is saying that useing tv is the answer. I wish you guys could get that.

No, the ALJC has not grown as a result of TV. However, do some research on the churches in the ALJC that do use it. See if that church itself has grown. Also, they have not"left their standards" either as anti-TV users claim.

On the other side of the coin. The fact is, the Charismatic Pentecostals have grown leaps and bounds, as a result of being on TV.

Also, the UPCI has not grown within the borders of the US. So I guess we should stop using all of the outreach programs we are currently using, including one on one evangelism, because its not working.

[Charlie Brown]

No one that I am aware of is saying that useing tv is the answer. I wish you guys could get that.

No, the ALJC has not grown as a result of TV. However, do some research on the churches in the ALJC that do use it. See if that church itself has grown. Also, they have not"left their standards" either as anti-TV users claim.

On the other side of the coin. The fact is, the Charismatic Pentecostals have grown leaps and bounds, as a result of being on TV.

Also, the UPCI has not grown within the borders of the US. So I guess we should stop using all of the outreach programs we are currently using, including one on one evangelism, because its not working.

I think we just need to get back to the bible, and go and demonstrate the power of the holy ghost to the world. as long as we just have a form of religion, the world will pass us by. But when they see he is real because of the miraculous, God will have their attention.

[Whole Hearted]

I think we just need to get back to the bible, and go and demonstrate the power of the holy ghost to the world. as long as we just have a form of religion, the world will pass us by. But when they see he is real because of the miraculous, God will have their attention.

I'll amen that.:highfive

[The Dean]

No one that I am aware of is saying that useing tv is the answer. I wish you guys could get that.

No, the ALJC has not grown as a result of TV. However, do some research on the churches in the ALJC that do use it. See if that church itself has grown. Also, they have not"left their standards" either as anti-TV users claim.

On the other side of the coin. The fact is, the Charismatic Pentecostals have grown leaps and bounds, as a result of being on TV.

Also, the UPCI has not grown within the borders of the US. So I guess we should stop using all of the outreach programs we are currently using, including one on one evangelism, because its not working.

First of all, I think what we're dealing with as a thread is an organization and not an individual Church. In fact, I find a few things in your post that would be hard to accept based simply on your statements:

First, I tend to agree that the dynamics of false doctrine and truth would be polar opposites and anything short of an 'I'm Okay; You're Okay" message wouldn't survive.

Secondly, some have left their standards as I have personally been in ALJC Churches more worldly than any UPC I've ever been in. Thankfully that isn't representative of every ALJC I know.

Thirdly, most charismatic Churches aren't worried about the effect of Hollywood on their congregations because they are already influenced and identified with it. I find it a sad thing to see various Pentecostal girls already trying to look like Christina Aguilara or Paris Hilton. Admittedly, I am aware that - for the most part - we are still talking about 'advertising' at this point.

Finally, the organization as a whole may not be growing at a rate that we would like (I do believe it is growing, however) but I can testify that our Church has grown over 600% while maintaining a firm stand against television. Obviously that, however, is an 'individual' Church.

[vrblackwell]

I'll amen that.:highfive

I will Amen that as well. And add that the best way to show that to the most amount of people is by way of TV.

Kind of like a baptist preacher and a Acts 2:38 preacher standing on a platform before 500,000 people. The baptist preacher stands to tell how he believes one should be saved. He walks to the PA system and begins to speak. Everyone can hear him.

However, when the Act's 2:38 preacher stands to tel the truth, he refuses to use the mic because its a bad tool due to the fact that rock and roll stars use it to blast out evil messages. He begins to speak, but only a few on the front row hear him.

Which one converted the most people to their doctrine? It's not rocket science to me. The Acts 2:38 preacher did God and His message a disservice by allowing the baptist preacher to be heard above the truth of Gods Word.

:drawguns :bliss Thats a good message, I don't care who you are.

[Charlie Brown]

I can speak from personal knowledge of 2 ALJC churches that are on tv.

Billy McCools Church (Knoxville, TN) has not had any exponential growth that I have heard. They still win them one soul at a time.

Ken Carpenters Church (Maryville, TN) is growing, but was doing that prior to their going on tv several years ago. TV, to my knowledge, did not have a great impact in their growth. They are still winning souls one at a time.

[Charlie Brown]

I will Amen that as well. And add that the best way to show that to the most amount of people is by way of TV.

Kind of like a baptist preacher and a Acts 2:38 preacher standing on a platform before 500,000 people. The baptist preacher stands to tell how he believes one should be saved. He walks to the PA system and begins to speak. Everyone can hear him.

However, when the Act's 2:38 preacher stands to tel the truth, he refuses to use the mic because its a bad tool due to the fact that rock and roll stars use it to blast out evil messages. He begins to speak, but only a few on the front row hear him.

Which one converted the most people to their doctrine? It's not rocket science to me. The Acts 2:38 preacher did God and His message a disservice by allowing the baptist preacher to be heard above the truth of Gods Word.

:drawguns :bliss Thats a good message, I don't care who you are.


Poppycock!

All OP's are gonna do is show the world how stupid they act if and when they get on tv.

[vrblackwell]

First of all, I think what we're dealing with as a thread is an organization and not an individual Church. In fact, I find a few things in your post that would be hard to accept based simply on your statements:

First, I tend to agree that the dynamics of false doctrine and truth would be polar opposites and anything short of an 'I'm Okay; You're Okay" message wouldn't survive.

Secondly, some have left their standards as I have personally been in ALJC Churches more worldly than any UPC I've ever been in. Thankfully that isn't representative of every ALJC I know.

Thirdly, most charismatic Churches aren't worried about the effect of Hollywood on their congregations because they are already influenced and identified with it. I find it a sad thing to see various Pentecostal girls already trying to look like Christina Aguilara or Paris Hilton. Admittedly, I am aware that - for the most part - we are still talking about 'advertising' at this point.

Finally, the organization as a whole may not be growing at a rate that we would like (I do believe it is growing, however) but I can testify that our Church has grown over 600% while maintaining a firm stand against television. Obviously that, however, is an 'individual' Church.

You are wrong here. Rod Parsley is a perfect example of someone not preaching I'm OK your OK. He preaches his doctrine. I have heard him many times preach that if you do not speak in tongues you do not have the spirit of God and you will not be saved as well as preaching on standards, no not ours, but still standards. Modest dress and such. He is very successful

No doubt there are ALJC church that you call worldly( I don't know what you mean by that). We also have many UPCI churchs that I'm sure you would think have gone worldly. They did this while the UPCI has not been on TV.

You are quite wrong when stateing that most charismatic churchs are not worried about there people and the spirit of Hollywod. I wish you would back that statement up with proof. Sure, they may not have your standard, but they do have a standard. They are not all evil you know.

You said we already have girls who are trying to look like certain rock stars and such. That is witout the UPCI being on tv. My guess is, the UPCI will not have an affect on this one way are the other.

[vrblackwell]

Poppycock!

All OP's are gonna do is show the world how stupid they act if and when they get on tv.

HMMM OK

[Charlie Brown]

HMMM OK

The simple fact is that OP's no longer have the goods. I have been around quite a while, and see very little of the Glory of God anymore. Oh, we have folks shout, and talk in tongues. But our doors have become revolving doors. What we need is overcoming power. Jesus said this kind cometh but by prayer and fasting. It only takes a person a glance at a few stomachs to see why we are laking in the power realm.

[vrblackwell]

The simple fact is that OP's no longer have the goods. I have been around quite a while, and see very little of the Glory of God anymore. Oh, we have folks shout, and talk in tongues. But our doors have become revolving doors. What we need is overcoming power. Jesus said this kind cometh but by prayer and fasting. It only takes a person a glance at a few stomachs to see why we are laking in the power realm.

Bro. To some of this I agree. But I would not lump all oneness folks together. Because that would include you and I. And I know I'm not like those other sinner, christian wanna bees. You can tell by looking at my trim and rippled stomach.:largehalo

[Charlie Brown]

Bro. To some of this I agree. But I would not lump all oneness folks together. Because that would include you and I. And I know I'm not like those other sinner, christian wanna bees. You can tell by looking at my trim and rippled stomach.:largehalo

HAHAHA!!!!

[stmatthew]

HAHAHA!!!!

Charlie, some of us are just "big boned".


:heeheehee

[Ronzo]

Not me.
I'm too big for my bones.

[Garfield]

Many ALJC churches that I know make the weak UPC churches look strong.

[Brother Price]

Hmmm, maybe if we would remember that despite the organization names, we are all Apostolics, maybe we could reach the world and make disciples of every nation. I have been to PAW, ALJC, and UPCI churches, and I have found that when they preach Acts 2:38 and the Gospel that would lead a soul to Acts 2:38, then that church is Apostolic, regardless of the station over the door.

If they allow TV, so what? If they do not, so what? One says CSI is acceptable, and the other says Discovery Channel is not? What is the big deal anymore. Instead of wondering about TV, how about we cut it off for a few hours a week, and go win souls instead.

[LadyChocolate]

I like the idea, but I just don't see it happening.... Some are going to push for TV and some are going to fight against it....What is sad is that what goes on withthe leaders, is what the saints seem to be getting..MEaning, or preacher is soo not for tv that, now, not only do we not have tv, but we can't watch any type of moving picture....some people i know were even told that they had to get rid of their lil movie clips of their own children....... Not because it's sin, but some people are going to push their point over the edge....as with any particular "standard".

You are right, we need to go win souls...with or without tv, people are lost and we need to get on our face before God and tarry before the Lord...Push the plate and seek God's face...then God will lead us to the hungry, dying, sick, confused, rejected, depressed, and hopeless..................

[Whole Hearted]

Being Apostolic is more that just Acts 2:38

[LadyChocolate]

Being Apostolic is more that just Acts 2:38

You got that right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!