WWPF to allow women preachers

[Charlie Brown]

Found this when reading the Apostolic Contender Blog (http://apostoliccontender.blogspot.com/). GR had asked some specific questions, and this one was answered.


3.) Will the WPF accept women Pastors?

3. Yes

[Hoovie]

Weeeeelllll! I am not renewing on my renewal date!

[pelathais]

Weeeeelllll! I am not renewing on my renewal date!
Save you about $60 right there.

[Sept5SavedTeen]

That's really sad, I would have expected better... :TulsaNO:

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

[pelathais]

That's really sad, I would have expected better... :TulsaNO:

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex
The irony in your post works on so many levels, Alex. Especially with that particular smilie. Are you sure you're "only" a teen?

[Felicity]

Found this when reading the Apostolic Contender Blog (http://apostoliccontender.blogspot.com/). GR had asked some specific questions, and this one was answered.


3.) Will the WPF accept women Pastors?

3. YesWell now considering this maybe I'll join up and get my preacher's license. :preach

:toofunny:toofunny:toofunny

[TrmptPraise]

Well now considering this maybe I'll join up and get my preacher's license. :preach

:toofunny:toofunny:toofunny

I can see it now.....Felicity Ministries

[Falla39]

In the home we are male and female. A male cannot be a mother and give birth.

A female cannot father a child. Those roles cannot be reversed. In the natural we

are either male or female. But when we are born again (spiritual birth)there is no

difference. In Christ there is no difference. We are not

born again male or female but are one in Christ! (Gal.3:28)

Blessings,

Falla39

[CC1]

.....and they call themselves conservative......

[TrmptPraise]

.....and they call themselves conservative......


..lol....the term progressive comes to mind:stirpot

[Sept5SavedTeen]

The irony in your post works on so many levels, Alex. Especially with that particular smilie. Are you sure you're "only" a teen?

I don't get it, with the only a teen thing, but I do see the irony of expecting better of this new org that has had a few ethical slip-ups from what I read.

Also, as for difference of male and female- Paul wrote to saved believers in Corinth and to Timothy and the advice was the same- for their women to keep silent. The LORD knew perfectly well what HE was doing when HE inspired Paul to write those words.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

[DividedThigh]

hey of course they will allow women preachers, if they got the money honey, pay up and shut up, lol,dt:tvhappy

[Apprehended]

Found this when reading the Apostolic Contender Blog (http://apostoliccontender.blogspot.com/). GR had asked some specific questions, and this one was answered.


3.) Will the WPF accept women Pastors?

3. Yes

There you go...

So much for holiness.....

















































j/k :lol

[HeavenlyOne]

Looks like Whole Hearted will have to search for another org to join!

[OneAccord]

I don't get it, with the only a teen thing, but I do see the irony of expecting better of this new org that has had a few ethical slip-ups from what I read.

Also, as for difference of male and female- Paul wrote to saved believers in Corinth and to Timothy and the advice was the same- for their women to keep silent. The LORD knew perfectly well what HE was doing when HE inspired Paul to write those words.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

You heard him, ladies....

Shut Up!

No testifying
No teaching
No prophesying
No talking
No asking questions (except at home, ask only your husband)
No witnessing
No singing
No praying out loud
No verbal worship
No ____________________________ (Fill in the blank)

Keep SILENT means KEEP SILENT!)

Now, print this out, fold it into a paper airplane and have fun with it!

[HeavenlyOne]

I don't get it, with the only a teen thing, but I do see the irony of expecting better of this new org that has had a few ethical slip-ups from what I read.

Also, as for difference of male and female- Paul wrote to saved believers in Corinth and to Timothy and the advice was the same- for their women to keep silent. The LORD knew perfectly well what HE was doing when HE inspired Paul to write those words.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

That same Lord also inspired Paul to command men to greet one another with an holy kiss. I'm sure you practice that, don't you?

Let's be consistent.

[Timmy]

Hey, when do you suppose WWPF will be "Tulsa'd"? :toofunny

[LadyRev]

You heard him, ladies....

Shut Up!

No testifying
No teaching
No prophesying
No talking
No asking questions (except at home, ask only your husband)
No witnessing
No singing
No praying out loud
No verbal worship
No ____________________________ (Fill in the blank)

Keep SILENT means KEEP SILENT!)

Now, print this out, fold it into a paper airplane and have fun with it!

LOL! WOOOHOOOOO! Thanks for the airplane! LOL!

[Pressing-On]

You heard him, ladies....

Shut Up!

No testifying
No teaching
No prophesying
No talking
No asking questions (except at home, ask only your husband)
No witnessing
No singing
No praying out loud
No verbal worship
No ____________________________ (Fill in the blank)

Keep SILENT means KEEP SILENT!)

Now, print this out, fold it into a paper airplane and have fun with it!
So we can type on a Forum? Sweet!!!! :happydance

[CC1]

Tonight while I was watching and listening to Hillary Clinton speak at her victory celebration after the Florida Democrat Presidential primary I was once again reminded why I don't believe in women preachers!!!!

[Cindy]

Tonight while I was watching and listening to Hillary Clinton speak at her victory celebration after the Florida Democrat Presidential primary I was once again reminded why I don't believe in women preachers!!!!

:girlytantrum:toofunny

[Sept5SavedTeen]

You heard him, ladies....

Shut Up!

No testifying
No teaching
No prophesying
No talking
No asking questions (except at home, ask only your husband)
No witnessing
No singing
No praying out loud
No verbal worship
No ____________________________ (Fill in the blank)

Keep SILENT means KEEP SILENT!)

Now, print this out, fold it into a paper airplane and have fun with it!

It ought to be HIM they have heard.
Women keeping silent in the church does not include singing and expressions of praise and worship. The Scriptures COMMAND everything that hath breath to praise the LORD.
As for asking questions, why don't you stop mocking Scripture! I STRONGLY believe a woman's religious questions should be asked to either an older woman in the church, or to her father or husband, NOT the pastor. The husband/father is the Head of the house, and it is his job to make sure his family is where they need to be spiritually. He is responsible for answering his wife's and children's questions, and the pastor is responsible for making sure the men in he pastors are well-versed and knowledgable in the Scriptures.

Also about the question on following all that Paul wrote, including the holy kiss... I'm so tired of that being used to minimize the effect of the Scriptures GOD gave Paul to write. When Paul mentions the holy kiss, he ALSO speaks of greeting certain brothers and sisters. This shows the cultural basis of the holy kiss, "Greet Aquila and Priscilla, greet Demas, greet.... ect." and at the end he'll mention the holy kiss. Are all peoples at all times commanded to give a holy kiss? No. Are all men everywhere commanded to pray lifting holy hands, and women to dress modestly and learn in all silence and subjection? Yes.
I just don't get the woman preacher's argument, it really troubles me, it is so blatantly disobedient :depressed... it gets hard to even debate it sometimes because of the depressing nature of so many's disobedience.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

[LadyRev]

Tonight while I was watching and listening to Hillary Clinton speak at her victory celebration after the Florida Democrat Presidential primary I was once again reminded why I don't believe in women preachers!!!!

To be compared to the likes of Hillary Clinton is highly offensive.

For more reasons than one.

[LadyRev]

I just don't get the woman preacher's argument, it really troubles me, it is so blatantly disobedient :depressed... it gets hard to even debate it sometimes because of the depressing nature of so many's disobedience.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

I've had more than one MALE pastor that disagrees with you.

So now what? Are they hell bound for their so-called disobedience?

[HeavenlyOne]

It ought to be HIM they have heard.
Women keeping silent in the church does not include singing and expressions of praise and worship. The Scriptures COMMAND everything that hath breath to praise the LORD.
As for asking questions, why don't you stop mocking Scripture! I STRONGLY believe a woman's religious questions should be asked to either an older woman in the church, or to her father or husband, NOT the pastor. The husband/father is the Head of the house, and it is his job to make sure his family is where they need to be spiritually. He is responsible for answering his wife's and children's questions, and the pastor is responsible for making sure the men in he pastors are well-versed and knowledgable in the Scriptures.

Also about the question on following all that Paul wrote, including the holy kiss... I'm so tired of that being used to minimize the effect of the Scriptures GOD gave Paul to write. When Paul mentions the holy kiss, he ALSO speaks of greeting certain brothers and sisters. This shows the cultural basis of the holy kiss, "Greet Aquila and Priscilla, greet Demas, greet.... ect." and at the end he'll mention the holy kiss. Are all peoples at all times commanded to give a holy kiss? No. Are all men everywhere commanded to pray lifting holy hands, and women to dress modestly and learn in all silence and subjection? Yes.
I just don't get the woman preacher's argument, it really troubles me, it is so blatantly disobedient :depressed... it gets hard to even debate it sometimes because of the depressing nature of so many's disobedience.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

Isn't it fun explaining the Bible as we choose to see it and expecting everyone else to see it our way, and when they don't, they are wrong?

LOL!

Cracks me up that you will explain away the kiss greeting as cultural, but the women keeping silent (with the exceptions you mention that Paul never makes) isn't. That scripture isn't even talking about women preaching!! LOL!

[LadyRev]

I guess maybe there should be yet another group formed for those that don't believe in women preachers/pastors. If TV ads are worthy of a split, why not women preachers?

:D

[stmatthew]

No AMF fellowship with WPF is gonna happen on any large scale.

[LadyRev]

No AMF fellowship with WPF is gonna happen on any large scale.

Really? Ya think? ;)

[Rev]

Really? Ya think? ;)

How long before someone thinks we're together? :toofunny

[alogi]

The whole thing of woman preachers in the pulpit is contrary to the word of God.Paul told Timothy not to let any woman to upsurp authuority over the flock.Yet with the feminization of the so called apostolic movement, we have Jezebel in the pulpit preaching.Next the woman preachers will want to cut their hair and wear britches also.I have heard that this is already going on in some worldly churches..
If a woman can preach and she is ordain to preach.Then allow her to preach in man's trousers.Its reidculous to claim a woman can preach like a man,yet tell her that he cant wear britches.
God put the man as the leader of the church.If this is a problem, then take your problem to Christ.Anyone who is for woman preachers is a gainsayer agianst an Apostle of Christ ''Paul''.
Old time believer
Alogi

[Sister Alvear]

some of these opinions show most have no knowledge of what women mean to the work of God...for 10 thousand Brazilians a woman coming into their lives meant turning from devil worship and walking into the presence of a living God.

I seldom say offensive things especially on a forum but to compare some Godly woman to Mrs Clinton shows a wrong mentality.

You may not believe in women preachers but do not compare them with some woman that believes and lives extremly opposite from a Godly woman.

I feel saddened that someone would go to such extremes...

It would be better just to say you do not believe in them, you do not understand them, and even voice why but not compare them with some ungodly woman of the world.

Sorry...

[Sister Alvear]

The whole thing of woman preachers in the pulpit is contrary to the word of God.Paul told Timothy not to let any woman to upsurp authuority over the flock.Yet with the feminization of the so called apostolic movement, we have Jezebel in the pulpit preaching.Next the woman preachers will want to cut their hair and wear britches also.I have heard that this is already going on in some worldly churches..
If a woman can preach and she is ordain to preach.Then allow her to preach in man's trousers.Its reidculous to claim a woman can preach like a man,yet tell her that he cant wear britches.
God put the man as the leader of the church.If this is a problem, then take your problem to Christ.Anyone who is for woman preachers is a gainsayer agianst an Apostle of Christ ''Paul''.
Old time believer
Alogi



May the Lord help you. Paul was not against women for they traveled with his preaching group. I do not think any GODLY woman would have any desire to RULE and GOVERN over a man...however she is free to obey God and HIS call.

[Sister Alvear]

and no I have never asked to be ordained...and never plan to but to attack all women and say outright hard and cruel things is not right. To say that awoman is a Jezabel because she speaks the word of God is outright wrong...to say she is manly because she preaches is not right...that is almost like saying every guy that plays a keyboard has "problems"...and I have heard that said! We cannot classify everyone in the same group.

[OneAccord]

some of these opinions show most have no knowledge of what women mean to the work of God...for 10 thousand Brazilians a woman coming into their lives meant turning from devil worship and walking into the presence of a living God.

I seldom say offensive things especially on a forum but to compare some Godly woman to Mrs Clinton shows a wrong mentality.

You may not believe in women preachers but do not compare them with some woman that believes and lives extremly opposite from a Godly woman.

I feel saddened that someone would go to such extremes...

It would be better just to say you do not believe in them, you do not understand them, and even voice why but not compare them with some ungodly woman of the world.

Sorry...

In regards to the bolded part in particular: Sis. Alvear is right. Whether we believe in women ministers or not, one simple fact remains: If we were to remove the contribution of women in the Pentecostal/Apostolic Movement down through the years, the movemnet would be no movement at all- it would be a trickle. Men have often gotten the credit in history, but our sisters, those who preach and those who do not, deserve special honor for all they have done in God's Kingdom. They, obedient to the Scriptures, fulfill what they feel God has called them to do, with "a meek and quiet spirit". They labor, with little or no recognition, and often with opposition. But they labor. Until I build an orphanage. UntiI build a church. Under I walk for miles thru the jungle to minister, unil I pray through the night for lost souls, I'll just continue to say this: Obey the Lord, Sisters

[SavedLou]

The whole thing of woman preachers in the pulpit is contrary to the word of God.Paul told Timothy not to let any woman to upsurp authuority over the flock. Yet with the feminization of the so called apostolic movement, Next the woman preachers will want to cut their hair and wear britches also.I have heard that this is already going on in some worldly churches..If a woman can preach and she is ordain to preach.Then allow her to preach in man's trousers.Its reidculous to claim a woman can preach like a man,yet tell her that he cant wear britches.
God put the man as the leader of the church.If this is a problem, then take your problem to Christ.Anyone who is for woman preachers is a gainsayer agianst an Apostle of Christ ''Paul''.
Old time believer
Alogi

yep...the little woman's place is up in that there kitchen, fixin' up plenty of vittels for her man! old time believer is right...sounds like the 1800's to me... :ohplease

[OneAccord]

Got a great idea. Everybody go to the Fellowship Hall. Click on the "Why are you so concerned about what others do?" thread. Read the very first post carefully. Then just do what it says.

[Thumper]

Found this when reading the Apostolic Contender Blog (http://apostoliccontender.blogspot.com/). GR had asked some specific questions, and this one was answered.


3.) Will the WPF accept women Pastors?

3. Yes

Another reason not to join the WPF

[AJBC]

Got a great idea. Everybody go to the Fellowship Hall. Click on the "Why are you so concerned about what others do?" thread. Read the very first post carefully. Then just do what it says.

Just what I was thinking!!..

[HeavenlyOne]

The whole thing of woman preachers in the pulpit is contrary to the word of God.Paul told Timothy not to let any woman to upsurp authuority over the flock.Yet with the feminization of the so called apostolic movement, we have Jezebel in the pulpit preaching.Next the woman preachers will want to cut their hair and wear britches also.I have heard that this is already going on in some worldly churches..
If a woman can preach and she is ordain to preach.Then allow her to preach in man's trousers.Its reidculous to claim a woman can preach like a man,yet tell her that he cant wear britches.
God put the man as the leader of the church.If this is a problem, then take your problem to Christ.Anyone who is for woman preachers is a gainsayer agianst an Apostle of Christ ''Paul''.
Old time believer
Alogi

If this post made any sense, I'd comment.

[pelathais]

yep...the little woman's place is up in that there kitchen, fixin' up plenty of vittels for her man! old time believer is right...sounds like the 1800's to me... :ohplease
If I gave you her number, would you give my wife a call? I must not have alogi's people skills.

[embonpoint]

The whole thing of woman preachers in the pulpit is contrary to the word of God.Paul told Timothy not to let any woman to upsurp authuority over the flock.Yet with the feminization of the so called apostolic movement, we have Jezebel in the pulpit preaching.Next the woman preachers will want to cut their hair and wear britches also.I have heard that this is already going on in some worldly churches..
If a woman can preach and she is ordain to preach.Then allow her to preach in man's trousers.Its reidculous to claim a woman can preach like a man,yet tell her that he cant wear britches.
God put the man as the leader of the church.If this is a problem, then take your problem to Christ.Anyone who is for woman preachers is a gainsayer agianst an Apostle of Christ ''Paul''.
Old time believer
Alogi

I think we want HIM to wear britches.

Btw there's some ladies garments I ain't agonna wear either. In the pulpit or out! :nah :covereyes :digging

[Walkbyfaith7]

In the home we are male and female. A male cannot be a mother and give birth.

A female cannot father a child. Those roles cannot be reversed. In the natural we

are either male or female. But when we are born again (spiritual birth)there is no

difference. In Christ there is no difference. We are not

born again male or female but are one in Christ! (Gal.3:28)

Blessings,

Falla39

The man is the head of the woman. Woman is the glory of man. Man is the glory of God. Then the bible talks about how a woman should have a sign of authority on her head or covering on her head in reference to the angels. God does see men and women different. That is why he wants us to dress different, etc.

God
Husband
Wife
Children

There is an order.

A wife was never given a blessing to God to preach over or to her husband. Women were never given authority to preach or pastor over men. Just like Paul said: sure they can teach, but the elder women will teach the younger and they can teach the children as well.

Women were given gifts that men often times do not possess. God desires there to be different roles. The husband and the wife have different roles that will be blessed if you follow them.

It's a lost treasure to some, but some have found it, like a pearl of great price.

[Fiyahstarter]

May the Lord help you. Paul was not against women for they traveled with his preaching group. I do not think any GODLY woman would have any desire to RULE and GOVERN over a man...however she is free to obey God and HIS call.

Sis. Alvear -

Your fruit speaks for itself. You just keep on helping people get saved! I am appalled at the ignorance of some people.

I really wish EVERYONE would find their calling and work toward that end. Then they'd be much too busy to criticize another's work for God.

God Bless you and your hard work!

[Sept5SavedTeen]

Quick note: WalkingbyFaith7; it didn't say a woman should have a sign of authority/power on her head- it said she should have POWER ON her head... I think I'm going to start a discussion on that.

Anyways, Sis. Alvear, I think it's great what you're doing in Brazil, and I think I mentioned that once before in a woman's preaching debate before. However, do you believe fewer souls would be won to the LORD if you stopped preaching? What I'm saying is, if you and your group of churches in Brazil stopped having women preachers, out of obedience to the Word, you'd be as, if not more, blessed than you all are now. I am not saying your a cursed people, but you know I obviously disagree with the fact that you all believe it's fine for a woman to preach. Also, I would be careful to say the work of GOD, in the area of saving of souls, in Brazil has been done by men OR women- it's been done by HIS Spirit drawing people unto HIMSELF and saving them. Preaching is the tool by which GOD chose to save people, but I just can not wrap my mind around women preaching it just seems such a contradiction of the Word of GOD.

Also, I'm really offended by the comments about us who don't believe in women preachers as being archaic or so in our thinking. We're living out a strong conviction we have, and it is NOT easy. I had to leave an Apostolic assembly to go to another due to the fact that the pastor was regularly allowing a woman to preach. The LORD has dealt with me very strongly on this matter, and to leave my last assembly was not easy. I now have to drive about an hour and a half to get to church, whereas before I only had a 20 minute drive. I'm not trying to sound like a martyr or anything, but I do want to bear my testimony that I did recieve this conviction from the LORD and I know this is true.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

[pelathais]

Quick note: WalkingbyFaith7; it didn't say a woman should have a sign of authority/power on her head- it said she should have POWER ON her head... I think I'm going to start a discussion on that.

Anyways, Sis. Alvear, I think it's great what you're doing in Brazil, and I think I mentioned that once before in a woman's preaching debate before. However, do you believe fewer souls would be won to the LORD if you stopped preaching? What I'm saying is, if you and your group of churches in Brazil stopped having women preachers, out of obedience to the Word, you'd be as, if not more, blessed than you all are now. I am not saying your a cursed people, but you know I obviously disagree with the fact that you all believe it's fine for a woman to preach. Also, I would be careful to say the work of GOD, in the area of saving of souls, in Brazil has been done by men OR women- it's been done by HIS Spirit drawing people unto HIMSELF and saving them. Preaching is the tool by which GOD chose to save people, but I just can not wrap my mind around women preaching it just seems such a contradiction of the Word of GOD.


Is your mind wrapped, however, around the idea that as God is sitting in heaven, He notices a Sister preaching the soul saving message of salvation- but in order to show His sovereign will he chooses several people out of the crowd to ........ to hell that would have been saved if only Brother Alvear had delivered the Gospel that day?

God will actually intevene into the free will affairs of mankind and condemn otherwise sincere people to hell just because a lady is speaking that night?

And what about on the other side of the jungle? Is Brother Alvear going to see a few extra hell bound hardened reprobates repent just because he's the one preaching that day? Will God Himself take a vessel that He Himself had "fitted for destruction" and say, "Oops! That's Brother Alvear- gotta change My mind and save a few more just so that maybe these missionaries will get a hint about the way I want things done!"

Also, I'm really offended by the comments about us who don't believe in women preachers as being archaic or so in our thinking. We're living out a strong conviction we have, and it is NOT easy. I had to leave an Apostolic assembly to go to another due to the fact that the pastor was regularly allowing a woman to preach. The LORD has dealt with me very strongly on this matter, and to leave my last assembly was not easy. I now have to drive about an hour and a half to get to church, whereas before I only had a 20 minute drive. I'm not trying to sound like a martyr or anything, but I do want to bear my testimony that I did recieve this conviction from the LORD and I know this is true.

Don't be too hard on yourself, there bro. Maybe God is working in the way that you envision, but His mind is wrapped the other way around this issue. Maybe, the Lord is trying to drive you out of Apostolic fellowship because you don't support women preachers. Maybe that was God's hand in bringing that women preacher in the other place just to create a stumbling block that hardens your heart.

The Lord kept putting such stumbling blocks in the path of Pharaoh. And with each new circumstance Pharaoh's heart was hardened more as he grew farther away from God. Maybe you're a vessel formed for dishonor? Maybe that's why you couldn't get along with the first set of folks.

In all seriousness however, I am confident that nothing of this kind is the case for you. You just have a particular temperment and are accustomed to seeing things a certain way. Other folks, while they may share your beliefs on the essentials, are accustomed to looking at things from another perspective.

Consider the fact that Jesus and His disciples refused to go into the villages of Samaria and preach. But how did the Gospel first arrive in Samaria? The woman at the well in John 4. There was no other way to get the message to those folks than through this woman's testimony and excited preaching "Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?" Without this preaching the subsequent outpourings of the Holy Ghost in Samaria might never have occurred.

[Sept5SavedTeen]

You misconstrued what I was saying about the Alvears in Brazil. I am also not a Calvinist. I was trying to say it's not like if Sis. Alvear DIDN'T preach that people wouldn't get saved. GOD would raise up a man, or use Bro. Alvear or something like that. Sis. Alvear could (and I believe should) never preach another message before a mixed crowd and souls would still be saved.

Also, that woman in Samaria didn't preach- neither did the women who were at the empty tomb! They just said what they saw. If I saw Yellowstone National Park and told you about it you wouldn't say I was preaching...

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

[pelathais]

You misconstrued what I was saying about the Alvears in Brazil. I am also not a Calvinist. I was trying to say it's not like if Sis. Alvear DIDN'T preach that people wouldn't get saved. GOD would raise up a man, or use Bro. Alvear or something like that. Sis. Alvear could (and I believe should) never preach another message before a mixed crowd and souls would still be saved.

Also, that woman in Samaria didn't preach- neither did the women who were at the empty tomb! They just said what they saw. If I saw Yellowstone National Park and told you about it you wouldn't say I was preaching...

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex
Depends upon how you say it. I've seen men get into pulpits and "talk" for a while, but when they were done almost no one would have said they "preached."

And what is Sister Alvear saying when she "preaches" or "talks" or whatever? She's testifying of things that she has seen and heard. Just like the woman at the well, and just like the women at the tomb that you mentioned.

[HeavenlyOne]

Is your mind wrapped, however, around the idea that as God is sitting in heaven, He notices a Sister preaching the soul saving message of salvation- but in order to show His sovereign will he chooses several people out of the crowd to ........ to hell that would have been saved if only Brother Alvear had delivered the Gospel that day?

God will actually intevene into the free will affairs of mankind and condemn otherwise sincere people to hell just because a lady is speaking that night?

And what about on the other side of the jungle? Is Brother Alvear going to see a few extra hell bound hardened reprobates repent just because he's the one preaching that day? Will God Himself take a vessel that He Himself had "fitted for destruction" and say, "Oops! That's Brother Alvear- gotta change My mind and save a few more just so that maybe these missionaries will get a hint about the way I want things done!"


Don't be too hard on yourself, there bro. Maybe God is working in the way that you envision, but His mind is wrapped the other way around this issue. Maybe, the Lord is trying to drive you out of Apostolic fellowship because you don't support women preachers. Maybe that was God's hand in bringing that women preacher in the other place just to create a stumbling block that hardens your heart.

The Lord kept putting such stumbling blocks in the path of Pharaoh. And with each new circumstance Pharaoh's heart was hardened more as he grew farther away from God. Maybe you're a vessel formed for dishonor? Maybe that's why you couldn't get along with the first set of folks.

In all seriousness however, I am confident that nothing of this kind is the case for you. You just have a particular temperment and are accustomed to seeing things a certain way. Other folks, while they may share your beliefs on the essentials, are accustomed to looking at things from another perspective.

Consider the fact that Jesus and His disciples refused to go into the villages of Samaria and preach. But how did the Gospel first arrive in Samaria? The woman at the well in John 4. There was no other way to get the message to those folks than through this woman's testimony and excited preaching "Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?" Without this preaching the subsequent outpourings of the Holy Ghost in Samaria might never have occurred.

This has got to be one of the best posts I've ever seen on forums.

Great thoughts!! Sobering ones too!

[HeavenlyOne]

Depends upon how you say it. I've seen men get into pulpits and "talk" for a while, but when they were done almost no one would have said they "preached."

And what is Sister Alvear saying when she "preaches" or "talks" or whatever? She's testifying of things that she has seen and heard. Just like the woman at the well, and just like the women at the tomb that you mentioned.

From now on, I'm going to let you do the talking. You just have a way of putting things that is just so much better than I could ever do!

[Sister Alvear]

Quick note: WalkingbyFaith7; it didn't say a woman should have a sign of authority/power on her head- it said she should have POWER ON her head... I think I'm going to start a discussion on that.

Anyways, Sis. Alvear, I think it's great what you're doing in Brazil, and I think I mentioned that once before in a woman's preaching debate before. However, do you believe fewer souls would be won to the LORD if you stopped preaching? What I'm saying is, if you and your group of churches in Brazil stopped having women preachers, out of obedience to the Word, you'd be as, if not more, blessed than you all are now. I am not saying your a cursed people, but you know I obviously disagree with the fact that you all believe it's fine for a woman to preach. Also, I would be careful to say the work of GOD, in the area of saving of souls, in Brazil has been done by men OR women- it's been done by HIS Spirit drawing people unto HIMSELF and saving them. Preaching is the tool by which GOD chose to save people, but I just can not wrap my mind around women preaching it just seems such a contradiction of the Word of GOD.

Also, I'm really offended by the comments about us who don't believe in women preachers as being archaic or so in our thinking. We're living out a strong conviction we have, and it is NOT easy. I had to leave an Apostolic assembly to go to another due to the fact that the pastor was regularly allowing a woman to preach. The LORD has dealt with me very strongly on this matter, and to leave my last assembly was not easy. I now have to drive about an hour and a half to get to church, whereas before I only had a 20 minute drive. I'm not trying to sound like a martyr or anything, but I do want to bear my testimony that I did recieve this conviction from the LORD and I know this is true.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

We have women preachers in obedience to the word of the Lord. If HE calls who am I to stand in anyone's way?

Strange the Lord dealt with you to leave an assembly because a woman preached...and at the same time He called me to go to Brazil...I would say either you or I do not know the voice of the Lord...

Judgment day will tell who heard the voice of the Lord.

[Sister Alvear]

I have never lost the wonder HE called me to be a missionary to Brazil and friend no matter what man might say and they say a lot I do know who called and I fear HIM much more than man's opinion.

[Sister Alvear]

I have no problem working under my husband and as long as I have his permission I am covered...

[Sister Alvear]

While it must be God's spirit that draws...you should have seen Brazil 40 years ago...I am glad I have worked in the harvest it has meant life to thousands of precious souls.

[dixonic2]

We have women preachers in obedience to the word of the Lord. If HE calls who am I to stand in anyone's way?

Strange the Lord dealt with you to leave an assembly because a woman preached...and at the same time He called me to go to Brazil...I would say either you or I do not know the voice of the Lord...

Judgment day will tell who heard the voice of the Lord.

AMEN:iagree

[KarenJo]

We have women preachers in obedience to the word of the Lord. If HE calls who am I to stand in anyone's way?

Strange the Lord dealt with you to leave an assembly because a woman preached...and at the same time He called me to go to Brazil...I would say either you or I do not know the voice of the Lord...

Judgment day will tell who heard the voice of the Lord.

AMEN!!!!

There was once a city without any One God church. Many MEN tried to go there and bring the Gospel but they left in defeat. Then one day a lady and her children moved to that city. She started a Bible Study in her home and was just doing what God had asked her to do. She started seeing people coming to the Lord and the group began to grow. It wasn’t long until they were able to rent a building and the people kept coming. She is a woman of grace and courage. She made sure that she was respectful to men and to women. This lady served faithfully and with honor and with the respect of other ministers. The city that I am speaking about is, San Francisco, and the Lady is, Rev. Marilynn Gazowski. A great lady doing what her savior asked her to do she planted a church in a place where a MAN couldn’t...

[Walkbyfaith7]

AMEN!!!!

There was once a city without any One God church. Many MEN tried to go there and bring the Gospel but they left in defeat. Then one day a lady and her children moved to that city. She started a Bible Study in her home and was just doing what God had asked her to do. She started seeing people coming to the Lord and the group began to grow. It wasn’t long until they were able to rent a building and the people kept coming. She is a woman of grace and courage. She made sure that she was respectful to men and to women. This lady served faithfully and with honor and with the respect of other ministers. The city that I am speaking about is, San Francisco, and the Lady is, Rev. Marilynn Gazowski. A great lady doing what her savior asked her to do she planted a church in a place where a MAN couldn’t...

Sigh:girlytantrum

[pob406]

Amen! There are so many saints that know the voice of tradition, culture and personal bias. But they don't know the voice of the Lord on every issue. If people could fast and pray and be willing to admit that MAYBE they don't know everything, and MAYBE they've been taught wrong, then MAYBE they could get a revelation from the Lord. MAYBE you would realize that some of the things you've been taught about headship, authority and submission aren't right.

It is sad that churches are some of the most blatantly and hopelessly sexist organizations in the world. They don't call it sexism they call it "God's order". When you Christianize sexism it that makes it different. Its all about control. When you use the word "sexism" you are labeled worldly, feminist and rebellious. Again it's all about control. There aren't but so many paying preaching jobs. I guess some people don't want women moving in on their action.

To those that don't support women preaching or being pastors: If you can't be nice please leave these women alone. Take some time and examine the fruit of their ministries. Let the Lord seperate the sheep from the goats.







We have women preachers in obedience to the word of the Lord. If HE calls who am I to stand in anyone's way?

Strange the Lord dealt with you to leave an assembly because a woman preached...and at the same time He called me to go to Brazil...I would say either you or I do not know the voice of the Lord...

Judgment day will tell who heard the voice of the Lord.

[Sister Alvear]

What I have given the Lord was given from my heart as my best gift to him...my whole life on a foreign mission field. I came to Brazil because He called. Some men laughed back then and some laugh today but I have never let man's opinion hinder me from following His call...I heard HIM call and followed.

I personally have never claimed to be a preacher but just a missionary what ever that may mean to you...to me it has meant years of sacrifice...going into the backlands of Brazil and telling the story of Jesus.

If I am lost for going and telling...building churches with my own hands, baptizing people in alligator infested streams greater will be the condemnation to men who did not go...So before we condemn those that go we should think about those that have never heard the story of Jesus.

Just last December Brother Alvear and I celebrated our 35th wedding anniversary. We decided to go to be with the people and churches I had worked with when I was single and right after we married. Our son Michael and his wife marcella went with us. She had never been to that area before and she was so amazed as old pastors laid their head on my shoulders and wept thanking me for coming to Brazil many years ago...Some wept and wept and hugged me 2 or 3 times...Today their children pastor churches and their grandchildren preach this gospel. Do they love Brothe Alvear too? Of course they do! They were so happy when God sent me a husband and so was I! ha...

However it does not change the fact that I worked and brought many of them to the lord as a young single girl and STAYED on the field. I did not come to get a husband on the mission field I came at God's bidding and worked alone in those areas for several years.

I am not a pulpit person. I like doing other things but if duty calls and my help is needed our folks know I will be there.

[Aquila]

There is a big difference between women preachers and women pastors. Women most certainly are allowed to preach and prophesy. However the role of "bishop" or pastor is restricted to men. How can a woman meet the requirement of being the "husband of one wife"? Female pastors would upset God's order. The woman is not to usurp authority over the man. A female pastor would be in spiritual authority over the men of her church....including her husband. That wouldn't be in order. And besides...what woman would want to counsel men about the issues we struggle with? LOL

But it's different with women preachers. A male pastor can allow a woman to preach and teach. The pastor essentially allows her to operate under his umbrella of authority. Therefore if any man rejects her authority as a minister they are rejecting the authority of their male pastor.

It's all about being covered by proper spiritual authority. At least that's my understanding. GBY

[Sister Alvear]

I tend to aagree with this other than what IF there are no men to pastor?

I am not in that situation today but in many places lone women have gone and until God raised up a man she did the job. I do not think a godly woman would want to rule over a man...although I live in a country where many men do not drive and I sure would rather get in the car with my daughter in law driving than put some man behind the wheel just because he is a man and kill us all...and the same in church work...I would rather have a woman in the pulpit that is filled with the Holy Ghost than put a man up that does not have the holy Ghost...

In all my years of missionary work I have felt I have the covering and permission from my pastor and my husband.
I don't do much anymore like I once did for my health and strength has all be given to the field however what little I can do I do..today that mostly means visiting the churches and giving an encouraging word to the people.

Our pastors KNOW I would never try to take over...or run to the pulpit just to be seen...In fact I had rather be cooking and preparing for the people.

[chseeads]

There is a big difference between women preachers and women pastors. Women most certainly are allowed to preach and prophesy. However the role of "bishop" or pastor is restricted to men. How can a woman meet the requirement of being the "husband of one wife"?


The same way that women can be the "sons of God" that He makes us. The regulations were not written in a politically correct time where everybody was worried about offending everybody and had to pussyfoot around in their wording.

So what's good for the gander there is good for the goose.


:stirpot

[Timmy]

A male pastor can allow a woman to preach and teach.
Just curious, how do you deal with 1 Tim 2:12? "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

Was it just Paul's personal opinion, and not really God's word on the matter? Or, if it was God's word, did it apply only to the early church, as a cultural thing? How can we determine what is cultural and what it eternal, in the Bible?

If the teaching prohibition is no longer valid, what about the usurping authority part? Maybe that's cultural, too.

Psalm 19:7 "The law of the LORD is perfect, . . . "

1 Pet 1:25 "But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. . . ."

[Aquila]

Just curious, how do you deal with 1 Tim 2:12? "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

Was it just Paul's personal opinion, and not really God's word on the matter? Or, if it was God's word, did it apply only to the early church, as a cultural thing? How can we determine what is cultural and what it eternal, in the Bible?

If the teaching prohibition is no longer valid, what about the usurping authority part? Maybe that's cultural, too.

Psalm 19:7 "The law of the LORD is perfect, . . . "

1 Pet 1:25 "But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. . . ."

Take a closer look at it. Paul wrote:

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. (I Timothy 2:12)

The issue is authority. First, Paul is speaking in regards to women in general. Paul mentiones prophetesses in other passages. Second, if a woman is called of God and her pastor gives her charge to preach, she's challenging the authority of her male pastor if she refuses to obey the call her pastor affirms.

[Walkbyfaith7]

Take a closer look at it. Paul wrote:

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. (I Timothy 2:12)

The issue is authority. First, Paul is speaking in regards to women in general. Paul mentiones prophetesses in other passages. Second, if a woman is called of God and her pastor gives her charge to preach, she's challenging the authority of her male pastor if she refuses to obey the call her pastor affirms.

:crazyluv

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

"Put dem wemmin back in dat dere ketchin?"

[Aquila]

Consider the following verses:

Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Acts 21:8-10
8And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him. 9And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy. 10And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus.

Acts 18:26
And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

1 Corinthians 16:19
The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.

We see by this that women indeed can “prophesy”, teach, and assist with administration of the church. They key is primarily being under the authority of a male bishop or her husband. A woman must simply serve under the authority of a male so as to not upset God’s order.

It’s important to realize that Paul was often addressing “issues” of interruption and speaking or using one’s spiritual gifts improperly. Women are admonished not to interrupt teaching in the church but rather if they have questions they are to ask their husbands at home. First, this prevents the teacher from being interrupted. Second, this saves the fragile egos of the men involved from having to “defend” a position questioned by a woman. Thirdly, this instills respect in the church for the preacher. Fourthly, it establishes the husband as the spiritual head and teacher of the home.

Paul isn’t forbidding women from using their spiritual gifts. Paul is simply putting things in order. The only restriction I can see is that a woman cannot serve as a “bishop” (pastor). Woman can even serve as deacons (servants and staff):

Romans 16:1
I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

The word “servant” translates “deaconess.” ;)

[Sister Alvear]

Many of our opinions are formed by our upbring and the church order as we know it now.

[Sister Alvear]

Church buildings were built only a couple hundred years after the death of the disciples...that is a more or less figure.

[Sister Alvear]

I really don't have time to discuss women in ministry but one thing I always tell my boys, time will reveal how God really thought about women in ministry.

Some of my boys get the wrong spirit about this topic and certain pastors so we seldom discuss it at home.

[Walkbyfaith7]

I really don't have time to discuss women in ministry but one thing I always tell my boys, time will reveal how God really thought about women in ministry.

Some of my boys get the wrong spirit about this topic and certain pastors so we seldom discuss it at home.

Did Paul have a wrong spirit?

[Aquila]

Did Paul have a wrong spirit?

Not if his teachings are kept in context. ;)

[Walkbyfaith7]

Not if his teachings are kept in context. ;)

lol

Paul taught that a woman is under than man and the man if under Christ and Christ is under God, correct?

[Aquila]

We are Pentecostal. Pentecost launched the fulfillment of that which was spoken by the prophet Joel,

Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

I’d like to see a man “prophesy” without speaking in the assembly. Evidently it was prophesied that women would prophesy. This requires that we search for the context of Paul’s remarks are we have a contradiction in Scripture.

Those who don’t believe that daughters shall prophesy…call into question God’s honesty.

[Aquila]

lol

Paul taught that a woman is under than man and the man if under Christ and Christ is under God, correct?

In the family unit yes. Paul wasn't addressing church leadership. Men are still to be subject to their pastors. If the pastor allows a woman to prophesy...rejecting her is rejecting the pastor's authority and is therefore rebellion.

I think it's all because too many of us men are tooooooo insecure to allow a woman to minister.

[CaliG]

BRAVO!! for you Sis. Alvear--I wonder what these same people would do with Nona Freeman, Barbara Willoughby, Joy Haney, etc.--I just sat at Landmark several days ago and listened to Sis. Willoughby--and oh my word, she was more annointed than many of the men I submissively sit and listen to. I also watched as her husband listened, praised the Lord, and supported her totally! Sometimes I wonder if some of our men just feel threatened themselves by God using a woman! Keep up the good work!

[Walkbyfaith7]

In the family unit yes. Paul wasn't addressing church leadership. Men are still to be subject to their pastors. If the pastor allows a woman to prophesy...rejecting her is rejecting the pastor's authority and is therefore rebellion.

I think it's all because too many of us men are tooooooo insecure to allow a woman to minister.

In the family unit? Jesus is not my dad. He is my spiritual Father. This was not only a family unit principle but a spiritual one as well.

Notice how he goes on to say why woman should have a covering and talking about the angels and the glory of God/glory of men.

Elder ladies can teach younger ladies, as Paul states clearly.

[Walkbyfaith7]

BRAVO!! for you Sis. Alvear--I wonder what these same people would do with Nona Freeman, Barbara Willoughby, Joy Haney, etc.--I just sat at Landmark several days ago and listened to Sis. Willoughby--and oh my word, she was more annointed than many of the men I submissively sit and listen to. I also watched as her husband listened, praised the Lord, and supported her totally! Sometimes I wonder if some of our men just feel threatened themselves by God using a woman! Keep up the good work!

I don't think annointing means approval from God, do you? I could tell you so many things preachers said "under the annointing" that were wrong/false/not the will of God.

[Sister Alvear]

Thank you kind sister. I have never felt talk a lot on this subject for gifts and callings speak for themselves. Wise men will know ...I must be very careful in front of my boys as they are young missionaries and pastors and preachers. They would say hard things to defend me but I don't want them to get involved...they are men and will never face the issues I have faced being a woman, a wife and a mother and a missionary at the same time. Soon I will be off the scene of battle...I fought for the souls of Brazil and lived long enough to see my efforts rewarded...
No one has to clap when I walk in or stand up in my honor. I am not that type person. I seek not a name or position.
I think my husband would fight ( I know he would) if someone tried to hurt me. So many times I never mention things people say...

[Sister Alvear]

Touch Not My anointed ones, and do My prophets no harm.’” (Ps 105:15) Must mean something...

[Aquila]

BRAVO!! for you Sis. Alvear--I wonder what these same people would do with Nona Freeman, Barbara Willoughby, Joy Haney, etc.--I just sat at Landmark several days ago and listened to Sis. Willoughby--and oh my word, she was more annointed than many of the men I submissively sit and listen to. I also watched as her husband listened, praised the Lord, and supported her totally! Sometimes I wonder if some of our men just feel threatened themselves by God using a woman! Keep up the good work!

Some feel threatened due to fragile egos or poor self image. Some feel envious because they feel cheated that God would use a woman and not them. Others struggle with secret sin that objectifies women and they find it hard to see a woman as anything more than an object. Sometimes the men just aren’t of a submitted spirit and they take occasion when a woman preaches to bow up against the pastor who allows the woman to speak.

I was always told that if you want to test a man’s submission to spiritual leadership…ask a woman to preach. LOL.

[Sister Alvear]

I want His anointing always upon my life and everything I do.

[Aquila]

In the family unit? Jesus is not my dad. He is my spiritual Father. This was not only a family unit principle but a spiritual one as well.

Notice how he goes on to say why woman should have a covering and talking about the angels and the glory of God/glory of men.

Elder ladies can teach younger ladies, as Paul states clearly.

However, any time a woman teaches or prophesies, rather she be permitted to speak before the assembly or just to young women, she is to be under the spiritual umbrella of a male bishop.

[Sister Alvear]

many women have graced our pulpits in Brazil...such giants as Sister AO Holmes, Sister Rita Dawson, Sister La Joyce Martin, Sister Sarah Jackson and many others...

My husband does not care for forward pushy women BUT a godly handmaiden is always welcome...

[Walkbyfaith7]

In the family unit yes. Paul wasn't addressing church leadership. Men are still to be subject to their pastors. If the pastor allows a woman to prophesy...rejecting her is rejecting the pastor's authority and is therefore rebellion.
I think it's all because too many of us men are tooooooo insecure to allow a woman to minister.

At the UPCI church I went to (which I don't agree with), the pastor said that the ministry is in charge of the spiritual gifts. Not to say that the saints could not be used in these areas, but ultimately, the ministry decided if that was God or not.

[Walkbyfaith7]

Touch Not My anointed ones, and do My prophets no harm.’” (Ps 105:15) Must mean something...

So what do you think this means?

[Sister Alvear]

What do I think it means? I think it means what it says.

I have heard it means not to do physcial harm.

What I mean is we must be careful what we say.

[Sister Alvear]

It is easy to hurt people by careless words and deeds. So even if we think we are right we must choose our words with care.

[Walkbyfaith7]

What do I think it means? I think it means what it says.

I have heard it means not to do physcial harm.

What I mean is we must be careful what we say.

Do you think it means male or female or both?

Was not a woman called a prophetess?

[Walkbyfaith7]

What do I think it means? I think it means what it says.

I have heard it means not to do physcial harm.

What I mean is we must be careful what we say.

I have heard alot of preachers say this is a scripture for preachers or prophets but here is the what the bible says:

9 Which covenant he made with Abraham, Gen. 12.7 ; 17.8
and his oath unto Isaac; Gen. 26.3


10 and confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law,
and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:


11 saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan,
the lot of your inheritance. Gen. 28.13


12 When they were but a few men in number;
yea, very few, and strangers in it;


13 when they went from one nation to another,
from one kingdom to another people;


14 he suffered no man to do them wrong:
yea, he reproved kings for their sakes;


15 saying, Touch not mine anointed,
and do my prophets no harm

You see, this is for the children or seed of Abraham. NOT only for the ministry or prophets/prophetesses

[HeavenlyOne]

Do you think it means male or female or both?

Was not a woman called a prophetess?

You aren't understanding some basics of language.

There are actors and actresses. While actresses are strictly female, the same cannot be said about actors being strictly male. For instance, the Actor's Guild includes women. Just because it doesn't mention actresses doesn't mean they are excluded.

In the Bible, men (the word, not specific men) are mentioned commonly, yet women aren't mentioned much at all.

Read the NT when it comes to the words of Jesus telling people how to be saved. Remember He said, "Except a MAN be born..."?

According to your logic, Jesus was excluding women in making that statement.

I assure you, if a politically correct Bible was printed, it would be about three times the size it is now, and you'd see a lot of women, prophetesses, and specific names of women mentioned in it.

[Walkbyfaith7]

.

There are actors and actresses. While actresses are strictly female, the same cannot be said about actors being strictly male. For instance, the Actor's Guild includes women. Just because it doesn't mention actresses doesn't mean they are excluded.

In the Bible, men (the word, not specific men) are mentioned commonly, yet women aren't mentioned much at all.

Read the NT when it comes to the words of Jesus telling people how to be saved. Remember He said, "Except a MAN be born..."?

According to your logic, Jesus was excluding women in making that statement.

I assure you, if a politically correct Bible was printed, it would be about three times the size it is now, and you'd see a lot of women, prophetesses, and specific names of women mentioned in it.

The bible does list prophetess. It also lists prophet. That is basic language.

The bible is not politically correct, of course! In bible times, you wouldn't be allowed to even speak like this, as a woman.

The priests were all men, the apostles chosen by Jesus were all men. Paul said a bishop should be the husband of one wife. The women is the weaker vessel according to scriptures. She needs to have a covering on her head. Paul said the woman was deceived, the woman was made for the man.

God
Christ
Man
Woman
Children

That is the order.

Have a woman pastor would be like my children telling my wife what to do.
Wrong order.

[HeavenlyOne]

The bible does list prophetess. It also lists prophet. That is basic language.

The bible is not politically correct, of course! In bible times, you wouldn't be allowed to even speak like this, as a woman.

The priests were all men, the apostles chosen by Jesus were all men. Paul said a bishop should be the husband of one wife. The women is the weaker vessel according to scriptures. She needs to have a covering on her head. Paul said the woman was deceived, the woman was made for the man.

God
Christ
Man
Woman
Children

That is the order.

Have a woman pastor would be like my children telling my wife what to do.
Wrong order.

LOL!

Apparently, you have young children. There will come a day when they will tell you what to do and you will have to do it. I see that scenario every day where I work.

As for men being chosen to do this or that, that really means nothing. If you think it does, then I hope you and not your wife or children do the dishes, because it's Bible that men are the dish wipers!!

2Ki 21:13
And I will stretch over Jerusalem the line of Samaria, and the plummet of the house of Ahab: and I will wipe Jerusalem as a man wipeth a dish, wiping it, and turning it upside down.

Men are commanded to do a lot of things in scripture, but the absence of the mention of women doesn't mean women are excluded, otherwise we could have that excuse when it comes to salvation.

You asserted that the scripture speaking about doing prophets no harm applied to men only. That simply isn't true.

[HeavenlyOne]

The bible does list prophetess. It also lists prophet. That is basic language.

The bible is not politically correct, of course! In bible times, you wouldn't be allowed to even speak like this, as a woman.



Oh please! As if you know because you were there! LOL!

[Pressing-On]

Oh please! As if you know because you were there! LOL!
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[Pressing-On]

Oh please! As if you know because you were there! LOL!

Excuse me! Your signature line is stupid! :toofunny

[HeavenlyOne]

Excuse me! Your signature line is stupid! :toofunny

You mean in comparison to what you said? LOL!

[Pressing-On]

You mean in comparison to what you said? LOL!

That is not what I said you idiot! Can I call you an idiot on here?

:toofunny:toofunny

[HeavenlyOne]

That is not what I said you idiot! Can I call you an idiot on here?

:toofunny:toofunny

ROFL!

Want me to put what you actually said? ROFL!!!

Good thing you live in Arkansas. Isn't that were you live? LOL!

[Pressing-On]

ROFL!

Want me to put what you actually said? ROFL!!!

Good thing you live in Arkansas. Isn't that were you live? LOL!

:toofunny:toofunny:toofunny

You are going to get it wrong and then I'm going to strangle you! You better not drag that signature line all over this forum, girl!!!! :girlytantrum :toofunny

[HeavenlyOne]

:toofunny:toofunny:toofunny

You are going to get it wrong and then I'm going to strangle you! You better not drag that signature line all over this forum, girl!!!! :girlytantrum :toofunny

Ok, I changed it.


:D

[Pressing-On]

Ok, I changed it.


:D

:toofunny:toofunny:toofunny

I DID NOT SAY THAT!!!!!!

:girlytantrum:girlytantrum:girlytantrum:

[HeavenlyOne]

:toofunny:toofunny:toofunny

I DID NOT SAY THAT!!!!!!

:girlytantrum:girlytantrum:girlytantrum:girlytantr um

ROFL!!!

So, Michigan reminds you of Chicago or what?

[Pressing-On]

ROFL!!!

So, Michigan reminds you of Chicago or what?

NO!!!!! I got them mixed up and you know it!!!!!

:toofunny:toofunny

Anyway, my brother used to live there, whichever one - LOL - and hated it!

[HeavenlyOne]

ROFL!!!

So, Michigan reminds you of Chicago or what?

NO!!!!! I got them mixed up and you know it!!!!!

:toofunny:toofunny

Anyway, my brother used to live there, whichever one - LOL - and hated it!

Saving this so you can't edit it or delete it later!! ROFL!!

[Pressing-On]

Saving this so you can't edit it or delete it later!! ROFL!!
You need to go to bed and stop lying!!!!!!!

:toofunny:toofunny

[HeavenlyOne]

I'm having fun and I'm so tired I need to get to bed!!!

[HeavenlyOne]

You need to go to bed and stop lying!!!!!!!

:toofunny:toofunny

LOL!!! I wrote my post before seeing yours!! LOL!

[Pressing-On]

LOL!!! I wrote my post before seeing yours!! LOL!

See?!!! You should have gone to bed waaayyyyy before you started lying!!!

:girlytantrum:girlytantrum:girlytantrum

:toofunny

[HeavenlyOne]

See?!!! You should have gone to bed waaayyyyy before you started lying!!!

:girlytantrum:girlytantrum:girlytantrum

:toofunny

:D

Ok, I'm going.....LOL!

[Pressing-On]

:D

Ok, I'm going.....LOL!

Take your lying signature line with you, girl!!!!

:snapout:thwak:tricycle:pillowfight:winaa

[HeavenlyOne]

Take your lying signature line with you, girl!!!!

:snapout:thwak:tricycle:pillowfight:winaa

ROFL!

Well, don't beat me up over it!!!


:D

[Pressing-On]

ROFL!

Well, don't beat me up over it!!!


:D
I'm going to bed and IF you have that signature line in the morning - you are in big time double trouble!!!!!

:boxing

[HeavenlyOne]

I'm going to bed and IF you have that signature line in the morning - you are in big time double trouble!!!!!

:boxing

:D

Goodnight!!

[Pressing-On]

:D

Goodnight!!

:toofunny:toofunny:toofunny

Don't you forget it, either!!!

:toofunny

You better erase your signature line - I'm spilling!!!

[Walkbyfaith7]

LOL!

Apparently, you have young children. There will come a day when they will tell you what to do and you will have to do it. I see that scenario every day where I work.

As for men being chosen to do this or that, that really means nothing. If you think it does, then I hope you and not your wife or children do the dishes, because it's Bible that men are the dish wipers!!

2Ki 21:13
And I will stretch over Jerusalem the line of Samaria, and the plummet of the house of Ahab: and I will wipe Jerusalem as a man wipeth a dish, wiping it, and turning it upside down.

Men are commanded to do a lot of things in scripture, but the absence of the mention of women doesn't mean women are excluded, otherwise we could have that excuse when it comes to salvation.

You asserted that the scripture speaking about doing prophets no harm applied to men only. That simply isn't true.

There is not one woman pastor recorded in the Word of God. Paul said a bishop is to be a man.

1 Timothy 2: In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

2:10
But * (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

2:11
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

2:12
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

2:13
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

2:14
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

2:15
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Eph 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

1Pe 3:7
Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

[Walkbyfaith7]

LOL!

Apparently, you have young children. There will come a day when they will tell you what to do and you will have to do it. I see that scenario every day where I work.

As for men being chosen to do this or that, that really means nothing. If you think it does, then I hope you and not your wife or children do the dishes, because it's Bible that men are the dish wipers!!

2Ki 21:13
And I will stretch over Jerusalem the line of Samaria, and the plummet of the house of Ahab: and I will wipe Jerusalem as a man wipeth a dish, wiping it, and turning it upside down.

Men are commanded to do a lot of things in scripture, but the absence of the mention of women doesn't mean women are excluded, otherwise we could have that excuse when it comes to salvation.

You asserted that the scripture speaking about doing prophets no harm applied to men only. That simply isn't true.

And where do you work? What line of work do you do?

I have two daughters and they do not tell me what to do. If you let children run your house, you don't have a house at all- well at least not a healthy, functioning one. The husband is the human leader, delegated by Jesus.

[Sister Alvear]

Well, I think it is quite foolish to fuss over who tells the story of Jesus. The FIRST ones Jesus chose to tell were women and they were sent to tell the men that were in hiding...so that alone should tell us something...Millions sit in pagan darkness enough to make angels weep and we find time to fuss about who tells the story...shame on all of us.

[HeavenlyOne]

And where do you work? What line of work do you do?

I have two daughters and they do not tell me what to do. If you let children run your house, you don't have a house at all- well at least not a healthy, functioning one. The husband is the human leader, delegated by Jesus.

You didn't read my post very well. I wasn't speaking of small children, but adult children.

You might think that they will never tell you what to do, but I'm telling you that day will come.

I'm a nurse in a nursing home. Children make decisions for their parents all the time, sometimes even against their will. They tell their parents what to do. This isn't in a bossy manner, but their parents are no longer in a position to make their own decisions.

But that's not the only instance that it's ok for children to tell their parents what to do. My mom is 60, and I tell her what to do a lot. She respects me as an adult...an equal...and it's her choice to take my advice or not. Sometimes I'm insistent that she take it! LOL!

[HeavenlyOne]

There is not one woman pastor recorded in the Word of God. Paul said a bishop is to be a man.



This thread is about women preachers, not women pastors.

[Joelel]

A woman can preach and prophecy to anyone and teach women but she can not teach men and she can not pastor a church because a pastor or bishop must be able to teach.

1 Tim.2:[12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.[13] For Adam was first formed, then Eve.[14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.[15] Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety

If a man,not a woman desires the office of bishop,a bishop MUST be able to teach and a woman can't teach a man.1 Tim.3:[1] This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.[2] A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;[3] Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

A WOMAN CAN"T RULE THE HOUSE [4] One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;[5] (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)[6] Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.[7] Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

[HeavenlyOne]

A WOMAN CAN"T RULE THE HOUSE [4] One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;[5] (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)[6] Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.[7] Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

The Bible disagrees with you.

1Ti 5:14
I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.

guide the house

Oikodespoteo
Phonetic Spelling
oy-kod-es-pot-eh'-o
Definition

1. to be master (or head) of a house
2. to rule a household, manage family affairs

The above is the definition of what 'guiding the house' means. This doesn't mean she is the only one with that duty, but she does it along with her husband. Her husband doesn't rule her. They both rule the home together.

[Walkbyfaith7]

A woman can preach and prophecy to anyone and teach women but she can not teach men and she can not pastor a church because a pastor or bishop must be able to teach.

1 Tim.2:[12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.[13] For Adam was first formed, then Eve.[14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.[15] Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety

If a man,not a woman desires the office of bishop,a bishop MUST be able to teach and a woman can't teach a man.1 Tim.3:[1] This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.[2] A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;[3] Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

A WOMAN CAN"T RULE THE HOUSE [4] One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;[5] (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)[6] Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.[7] Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Preach on.

[Walkbyfaith7]

The Bible disagrees with you.

1Ti 5:14
I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.

guide the house

Oikodespoteo
Phonetic Spelling
oy-kod-es-pot-eh'-o
Definition

1. to be master (or head) of a house
2. to rule a household, manage family affairs

The above is the definition of what 'guiding the house' means. This doesn't mean she is the only one with that duty, but she does it along with her husband. Her husband doesn't rule her. They both rule the home together.

The husband is the head of the wife. As Christ is the head of the husband.
Don't know what you think that means, but to me that means Jesus is in charge and the husband is second in command.

Let me put it this way. I am the Director of my program, but the CEO is my boss. So, I am under her but there are some under me as well. The people under me don't tell me what to do although if it's a good idea I will listen and heed to it.



Are you married, divorced? Just curious.

[Walkbyfaith7]

Well, I think it is quite foolish to fuss over who tells the story of Jesus. The FIRST ones Jesus chose to tell were women and they were sent to tell the men that were in hiding...so that alone should tell us something...Millions sit in pagan darkness enough to make angels weep and we find time to fuss about who tells the story...shame on all of us.

Yes but Jesus choose all men to be apostles. God chose all priests to be men!
Guess what? God is a male too!

[WyoPastor]

Yes but Jesus choose all men to be apostles. God chose all priests to be men!
Guess what? God is a male too!

God is male?
Get real!!

[scotty]

Scotty<<<(peeks in, listens, shudders as cold chills roll up his spine just at the thought of being in this thread, chill subsides from the heat of womens eyes burning holes through the back of him, slowly and methodically smiles his best smile, gives a small wave of approval while shaking his head in pity towards the other men in the thread and exits right.)

:covereyes :couch :runhills :aaa

[Sister Alvear]

a male God? that is the most far out thing other than paganism I have ever run across...how do we know what God is? Is there sex in the eternal kingdom of God? If he is male who does he have sex with? MY friend HE IS GOD...not a mere human male...

[Sister Alvear]

God is a Spirit, and does not possess human characteristics or limitations; second, that all the evidence contained in Scripture agrees that God revealed Himself to mankind in a male form. However that does not make him male in eternity or female...

[Sister Alvear]

Genesis 1:26-27 says, “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in His [own] image, in the image of God created he Him; male and female created He them.”

[Sister Alvear]

Man and woman are equal in the sense that they bear God’s image equally.

I am well aware we call God father...for He is above all things but to say he is male as we know male I cannot see that for He is a spirit.

[Sister Alvear]

I am not saying God is female either...lol...

He came a a man...tempted in all points but today He reigns as God...a spirit...

I must be careful or people will wrongly read into what I am saying.

[Sister Alvear]

The Great Commission, Mark 16:15, "Preach the Gospel," is to ALL believers, and to all the church of Jesus Christ. The command to "preach the Gospel" is to both male and female.

[Sister Alvear]

When someone says, "God does not call women to preach," it is like saying that God does not baptize with the Holy Ghost today. We know better, because we have witnessed and experienced it with our own ears and eyes.

[Sister Alvear]

Both the Hebrew (Nebrah), and Greek (Proph) used for prophetess means (female preacher). (See Young's Concordance, Pg. 780.)

The word "Prophet" means a public expounder.

The word "Prophesy" means to speak forth, or flow forth. The Bible says in 1 Cor. 14:3, "But he that prophesieth speaketh unto MEN to edification, and exhortation and comfort."

The dictionary says, prophesy is "to speak under divine inspiration...to preach."

Therefore we learn from the original translation, from the Bible interpretation, and from the dictionary, that to prophesy means more than to tell the future, but it is to speak publicly about the past, present, or future. It is to preach under the anointing of the Holy Ghost.

[Sister Alvear]

a. The first message of the Resurrection of Christ was spoken by women to a group of men.

b. Anna - Luke 2:36-38. She must have prophesied in church, because she did not depart from the temple.

c. Phillip had 4 daughters who prophesied. Acts 21:9.

d. Priscilla assisted Paul in his revival meeting and even taught Apollos in the way of the Lord more perfectly.

e. Phebe - Romans 16:1-2. Paul commended Phebe to the Church at Rome and requested that they assist her in her business. She was one of Paul's assistants in the work of the Lord and delivered the Book of Romans to the people from the hand of Paul.

[Sister Alvear]

I have heard it said that possibly Priscilla wrote the book of Hebrews...

[Sister Alvear]

If Esther saved a nation I am sure Priscilla had enough sense and knowledge to write a book in the Bible for she was well learned...but whether she did or not she expounded the word of the Lord.

[Sister Alvear]

If a woman cannot speak in church, then she cannot speak in prayer meeting, young people's service, etc., for who can deny that Sunday School and Prayer meeting, and Youth work are parts of church? Christ's Church is not a building, but rather it is found where two or three are gathered together in His name, whether at a street meeting, in a tent, a home, church, classroom or anywhere else.
Besides there were no church buildings in that day for the ladies to work, teach and prophecy it was in their church setting of that day.

[Sister Alvear]

1 Timothy 2:12 is not a blanket rule for all women of all churches. Neither does it mean what some say it means. It is used OUT of context with the rest of the Bible.If it meant what some say it does then the women could not speak at all, for the same verse that tells them not to teach also tells them to be silent.

If all women had to keep silent in church, then that would be promoting disobedience to God, for they could not prophesy, pray, testify, sing, exhort, do personal work, or even get saved.

Whenever an interpretation to a verse contradicts the rest of the teaching of the Bible, we know this interpretation is incorrect, for the Holy Ghost will never contradict His own Word.

This is the chief verse that is used to oppose women preaching and yet it says nothing about preaching, nor does it say anything about a public worship or church service. But, on the contrary, this verse is giving instructions to wives as to how they were to conduct themselves in regard to their husband. Paul says in 1 Cor. 14:35, "And if they will LEARN anything, let them ask their husbands at home." Now he states in 1 Tim. 2:12 that the woman should learn in silence, and should not usurp authority over the man. Paul is dealing with more of a home problem than a church problem.

[Sister Alvear]

A woman not preaching in Pentecostal circles usually traces back to people once affiliated with Branham doctrine...not always but many many times...other times men have such terrible home situations they turn on women...other times men have women problems...and yes there are a few that are sincere and I know that and respect that. And by the way everyone that knows me personally KNOWS I am not for forward pushy women.

[Sister Alvear]

I have been in circles where women were looked down on...I think it is wonderful that a Jesus Name group would accept women and that does not mean I will join...Several have mentioned it to me...but that is my husbands decision not mine. He thinks it is great. However that still does not mean we will join. So do not think I am siding with them I am only saying I respect men that would be kind enough to let a woman obey what she feels to be the voice of God. I have sat in enough conventions, special services and heard remarks said about women.

[Sister Alvear]

Isaiah cries, "Rise up, ye women that are at ease: Hear My voice, ye careless daughters. Give ear unto My speech." Isaiah 32:9.

Do you hear Him calling you?

[scotty]

When someone says, "God does not call women to preach," it is like saying that God does not baptize with the Holy Ghost today. We know better, because we have witnessed and experienced it with our own ears and eyes.


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I would like to see a man tell Sister Micky Mangun that!!!!

:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny

I could make a fortune selling tickets to the aftermath!!!

:popcorn2:girlpopcorn

[Sister Alvear]

The work is too great for only one gender. Let us all work together in the vineyard of the Lord, respecting each other and appreciating what God has gifted in each of us, male or female.

[Sister Alvear]

Meekness has nothing whatever to do with the vices, cowardice and weakness. A woman can be meek and not be a coward or weak.

[Sister Alvear]

Scripture must be harmonized with Scripture...never forget that my friends.

[Sister Alvear]

"The church which silences women will be found to silence the Holy Ghost."

[Sister Alvear]

a so called church,a sect, a community or sex, or race which attempts a monopoly of the Spirit's voice and power, will find that the Holy Ghost will flee far from it.

[HeavenlyOne]

The husband is the head of the wife. As Christ is the head of the husband.
Don't know what you think that means, but to me that means Jesus is in charge and the husband is second in command.

Let me put it this way. I am the Director of my program, but the CEO is my boss. So, I am under her but there are some under me as well. The people under me don't tell me what to do although if it's a good idea I will listen and heed to it.



Are you married, divorced? Just curious.

You can't dispute scripture. It says that the women rules the house along with the husband. He might be her head, but he's not her ruler. They rule together.

[HeavenlyOne]

Yes but Jesus choose all men to be apostles. God chose all priests to be men!
Guess what? God is a male too!

God is male? LOL!

[HeavenlyOne]

Sis. Alvear, terrific posts!!!

[Sister Alvear]

Well, I just hate for people to belittle what women do in the kingdom. If you know me you will know I am not a pushy person but I think I should voice in favor not of women that act like men but women that are godly and play a role on God's stage.
I have never enjoyed being around some groups because I know to much of what happens in their homes...
So many of those anti men are so abusive to their wives. I am deeply grateful for a wonderful husband and wonderful sons that are kind to all and very respectful to God's call on other peoples lives.

[Felicity]

Well, I just hate for people to belittle what women do in the kingdom. If you know me you will know I am not a pushy person but I think I should voice in favor not of women that act like men but women that are godly and play a role on God's stage.
I have never enjoyed being around some groups because I know to much of what happens in their homes...
So many of those anti men are so abusive to their wives. I am deeply grateful for a wonderful husband and wonderful sons that are kind to all and very respectful to God's call on other peoples lives.Thank you, Sis. Alvear, for being submissive and obedient to the will of God .... and for using your "voice" to build up the kingdom of God.

:ty

[Sister Alvear]

Well, I love people and hate for people to say hard things against people they do not even know. To not believe in women is one thing to call them queers and Jezebel's is another thing.

[Joelel]

The Bible disagrees with you.

1Ti 5:14
I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.

guide the house

Oikodespoteo
Phonetic Spelling
oy-kod-es-pot-eh'-o
Definition

1. to be master (or head) of a house
2. to rule a household, manage family affairs

The above is the definition of what 'guiding the house' means. This doesn't mean she is the only one with that duty, but she does it along with her husband. Her husband doesn't rule her. They both rule the home together.

Yes a woman can rule IF she stays under the authority of the man.She can do nothing with out his authority.

[scotty]

Scotty<<<< ( peeks in to see how its going , glances at above post.....and leaves)

:aaa

[Walkbyfaith7]

Well, I just hate for people to belittle what women do in the kingdom. If you know me you will know I am not a pushy person but I think I should voice in favor not of women that act like men but women that are godly and play a role on God's stage.
I have never enjoyed being around some groups because I know to much of what happens in their homes...
So many of those anti men are so abusive to their wives. I am deeply grateful for a wonderful husband and wonderful sons that are kind to all and very respectful to God's call on other peoples lives.

20 posts later? lol

[Walkbyfaith7]

You can't dispute scripture. It says that the women rules the house along with the husband. He might be her head, but he's not her ruler. They rule together.

I think you missed my question- you married or divorced? It might help to get to the roots of the matter.

[scotty]

She is making sure we get the picture....:stirpot

Thank you Sis. Alvear, good post:happydance

[Walkbyfaith7]

God is male?
Get real!!

Yes, God is always directed to as a male. He was born a male. He has the body of a male in heaven right now.

[Walkbyfaith7]

The Great Commission, Mark 16:15, "Preach the Gospel," is to ALL believers, and to all the church of Jesus Christ. The command to "preach the Gospel" is to both male and female.

Sure we are to preach to both males and females. But God has certain roles for each gender and pastoring isn't a role that God chose. It also isn't a role according to Paul to preach to men but they can teach to other women and children. I am sure you know the scripture.

There is a reason why God gave women breasts too- to feed their children.

[scotty]

Yes, God is always directed to as a male. He was born a male. He has the body of a male in heaven right now.


:tantrum:surrender:digging:crazy:jaw:uhoh:bolt:aaa :runhills:couch:tattle:faint:swoon:anonymous:notme :banghead:groan

[Walkbyfaith7]

a male God? that is the most far out thing other than paganism I have ever run across...how do we know what God is? Is there sex in the eternal kingdom of God? If he is male who does he have sex with? MY friend HE IS GOD...not a mere human male...

It is NOT paganism. You need to re-read you bible very closely. Jesus was born a man and has MALE parts. God is not a woman. God is anatomically male even in heaven right now as when He was resurrected, He maintained His MALE body.

[Walkbyfaith7]

Genesis 1:26-27 says, “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in His [own] image, in the image of God created he Him; male and female created He them.”

Men are the GLORY OF GOD. Women are the GLORY OF MEN. That is why women need a covering!!!!!

[Walkbyfaith7]

I have heard it said that possibly Priscilla wrote the book of Hebrews...

And it is possible that we evolved from monkeys?
What does that have to do with what we are talking about?

[Joelel]

A woman must be veiled with a veil when praying or prophesying as a sign she is under athority of the men.A woman has two veils,one her long hair and the other a veil when she prays and prophesieth.

1 Cor.11:[3] But I would have you know, that the head (athority)of every man is Christ; and the head (athority)of the woman is the man; and the head (athority)of Christ is God.


[4] Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered(veiled), dishonoureth his head(athority,Christ).[5] But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered(unveiled) dishonoureth her head(athority,man): for that is even all one as if she were shaven.[6] For if the woman be not covered(veiled), let her also be shorn(cut her hair): but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn(cut her hair) or shaven, let her be covered(veiled).


[7] For a man indeed ought not to cover (veil)his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.[8] For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.[9] Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.[10] For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.[11] Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.


[12] For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of god.[13] Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered(unveiled)?[14] Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?[15] But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering(veiling).[16] But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

A woman can't talk and ask questions in the assemblies.

1 Cor.14:[35] And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak (Ask questions,talk)in the church(assemblies).[36] What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?[37] If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord

[Walkbyfaith7]

1 Timothy 2:12 is not a blanket rule for all women of all churches. Neither does it mean what some say it means. It is used OUT of context with the rest of the Bible.If it meant what some say it does then the women could not speak at all, for the same verse that tells them not to teach also tells them to be silent.

If all women had to keep silent in church, then that would be promoting disobedience to God, for they could not prophesy, pray, testify, sing, exhort, do personal work, or even get saved.

Whenever an interpretation to a verse contradicts the rest of the teaching of the Bible, we know this interpretation is incorrect, for the Holy Ghost will never contradict His own Word.

This is the chief verse that is used to oppose women preaching and yet it says nothing about preaching, nor does it say anything about a public worship or church service. But, on the contrary, this verse is giving instructions to wives as to how they were to conduct themselves in regard to their husband. Paul says in 1 Cor. 14:35, "And if they will LEARN anything, let them ask their husbands at home." Now he states in 1 Tim. 2:12 that the woman should learn in silence, and should not usurp authority over the man. Paul is dealing with more of a home problem than a church problem.


Actually this was talking about learning anything in the temple and it doesn't say anything about ' a home problem '.

[scotty]

Sure we are to preach to both males and females. But God has certain roles for each gender and pastoring isn't a role that God chose. It also isn't a role according to Paul to preach to men but they can teach to other women and children. I am sure you know the scripture.

There is a reason why God gave women breasts too- to feed their children.



"step right up, step right up....get your tickets here.....don't miss this show.

Ladies and Gentlemen.....tonight we have a special barn burner for ya.....as all the Sisters of AFF offer Walkbyfaith up as a burnt offering....Step right up, ......Bro. Scotty has all your tickets and show times......!!!!!
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:winaa:thwak:snapout:smack

[Walkbyfaith7]

a so called church,a sect, a community or sex, or race which attempts a monopoly of the Spirit's voice and power, will find that the Holy Ghost will flee far from it.

Churches are known for being segregated even today. It's not just the whites or blacks or hispanics, but it's a combination of different peoples. I think alot of it has to do with culture though.

[Joelel]

Women can teach,preach,prophecy to other women.Titus2:[3] The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;[4] That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children

[Walkbyfaith7]

Well, I love people and hate for people to say hard things against people they do not even know. To not believe in women is one thing to call them queers and Jezebel's is another thing.

Who is saying queers and Jezebels?
False accusations?

Where is your husband- I would like to talk to him about this.

:stirpot

[Walkbyfaith7]

Women can teach,preach,prophecy to other women.Titus2:[3] The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;[4] That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children

Good scriptures ignored by many all for the cause of feminism!

[Joelel]

1 Tim.2:[12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.[13] For Adam was first formed, then Eve.[14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.[15] Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety

[Walkbyfaith7]

1 Tim.2:[12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.[13] For Adam was first formed, then Eve.[14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.[15] Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety

Right but some say this is not a blanket statement? lol
Dating all the way back to Adam and Eve, wow!

[Joelel]

Right but some say this is not a blanket statement? lol
Dating all the way back to Adam and Eve, wow!

Right,it says She can't teach man or usurp authority over the man,NOT her husband.

[Fiyahstarter]

I wish the good Lord would pop in long enough to set things straight just a bit on some of these oh-so-controversial issues.

[Fiyahstarter]

Then maybe we can get on with it...

[Rock]

And it is possible that we evolved from monkeys?
What does that have to do with what we are talking about?

Dude, I didn't come from no monkey !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HeavenlyOne]

Yes a woman can rule IF she stays under the authority of the man.She can do nothing with out his authority.


And the scripture you found that at is where???

[HeavenlyOne]

I think you missed my question- you married or divorced? It might help to get to the roots of the matter.

I don't see what difference it makes. I didn't miss your question.

[HeavenlyOne]

Yes, God is always directed to as a male. He was born a male. He has the body of a male in heaven right now.

God was born a male???

ROFL!!!!

[HeavenlyOne]

It's obvious to see that all the young people with bright ideas pop on threads like these.

They all have revelations but no insight nor experience.....LOL!

[Walkbyfaith7]

I don't see what difference it makes. I didn't miss your question.

It would help me to understand where you are coming from.

[Walkbyfaith7]

God was born a male???

ROFL!!!!

Yes, Jesus is God. Jesus was born a male into this world. Is this very technical stuff here?

[Walkbyfaith7]

It's obvious to see that all the young people with bright ideas pop on threads like these.

They all have revelations but no insight nor experience.....LOL!

Divorced is my guess?

[Sister Alvear]

God was not born He has always existed...His son Jesus was born as a male..for Him to do the work of God in the time and era He lived in he had to be a male...a woman of those days could not have done many of the things He did however that does not mean He is a man in eternity. He has a glorified body.

[Sister Alvear]

Can we close a mouth that God opens or curse someone He blesses? I doubt it maybe you could ask Balaam...

[LadyRev]

WOOOHOOOO! Go Sis. Alvear! :D

[Steve Epley]

However Jesus is still called a 'man' TODAY since the resurrection and ascension. see 1 Tim. 2:5 & Acts 17:31.

[LadyRev]

The church, comprised of males and females, is referred to as the bride - a bride being exclusively FEMALE. So we can actually refer to the men in the church as "SHE" or HE and be correct on both accounts. :D

Heeeeheeeheeeee!

[Joelel]

And the scripture you found that at is where???

If a woman is subject to her husband as the scripture teaches she is to be,that means she don't do anything without his approveing........

[Joelel]

God was born a male???

ROFL!!!!

Well people say Jesus is God,was Jesus a male ? Wonder why he was not born a woman ? maybe because a woman can't teach men,opps

[Joelel]

The church, comprised of males and females, is referred to as the bride - a bride being exclusively FEMALE. So we can actually refer to the men in the church as "SHE" or HE and be correct on both accounts. :D

Heeeeheeeheeeee!

Well lets see,that's an easy one,Jesus is male and some will be married to him,that makes all who will be married to him the bride or a woman,yes.

[HeavenlyOne]

Yes, Jesus is God. Jesus was born a male into this world. Is this very technical stuff here?

I've been down this road before, but you have to understand that while Jesus is God, that doesn't mean God was born and died. Jesus is a manifestation of God in the flesh. His flesh was male. We call God our Father, which is a male term.

But God has no gender assignment in the physical sense. His body is glorified. There are no need for sex organs in heaven. That's an earthly issue.

[HeavenlyOne]

If a woman is subject to her husband as the scripture teaches she is to be,that means she don't do anything without his approveing........

You need to look up definitions to those big words........

[KarenJo]

You need to look up definitions to those big words........


He also needs to learn to spell......

[Steve Epley]

I am not saying it proves anything except HE is yet a man because the Bible clearly says He is.

[pelathais]

If a woman is subject to her husband as the scripture teaches she is to be,that means she don't do anything without his approveing........
I don't have enough time in the day to keep my wife on such a short leash. I just check up on her by following the places her card has been used. :toofunny

[Sister Alvear]

I cannot imagine our eternal Jesus who is glorified...a spirit that hath not even bones being a man...lol...that sounds like some pagan doctrine to me...If he is a man then he better get a suit and tie on...(let me laugh again) or does He wear a beard, a robe and sandals?

[Sister Alvear]

NOW if HE is a man dressed like first century christians would He be welcome to the pulpits of our churches?

[Steve Epley]

He died as a man and He arose from the dead as a man and He ascended into Heaven as a man and Paul said He is a man today. Is He a human? No He has a glorified body but that body was called a man. Proves nothing on this subject but the scripture clearly teaches He is a man.

[HeavenlyOne]

He also needs to learn to spell......

:D

[HeavenlyOne]

I don't have enough time in the day to keep my wife on such a short leash. I just check up on her by following the places her card has been used. :toofunny

And you have enough time in the day for that????


ROFL!!!

[onegod1]

"It shall come to pass afterward, saith the Lord, that I will pour out of my spirit upon ALL flesh, and your sons AND YOU DAUGHTERS shall prophesy! Upon the servants AND UPON THE HANDMAIDS in those days shall I pour out of my Spirit!" (Joel 2:28-29).

Where would the Pentecostal Movement be if it weren't for the coureagous women that "emptied" themselves before the Lord and gave Him their all?

[TCSQ]

You heard him, ladies....

Shut Up!

No testifying
No teaching
No prophesying
No talking
No asking questions (except at home, ask only your husband)
No witnessing
No singing
No praying out loud
No verbal worship
No ____________________________ (Fill in the blank)

Keep SILENT means KEEP SILENT!)

Now, print this out, fold it into a paper airplane and have fun with it!




And especially no AMENS! I mean who do women think they are that they feel the ability to CONFIRM something a man has preached with a SO BE IT! Who is allowing them to take such incredible liberties in the assembly?

Heretics all who allow women to utter a peep in the church! Why we have not imitated the orthodox Jews and constructed special balconies with lattice work to screen them is beyond me! In fact with todays modern technology why we dont build them sound proof booths is beyond me! IN FACT why they even have to COME to church is beyond me. Let them stay home cooking dinner so it can be ready when we get back! Peanut brittle can be made and sold, tamales can be made and sold, but it should also be done WITH SILENCE! That is all.....

[jaxfam6]

"It shall come to pass afterward, saith the Lord, that I will pour out of my spirit upon ALL flesh, and your sons AND YOU DAUGHTERS shall prophesy! Upon the servants AND UPON THE HANDMAIDS in those days shall I pour out of my Spirit!" (Joel 2:28-29).

Where would the Pentecostal Movement be if it weren't for the coureagous women that "emptied" themselves before the Lord and gave Him their all?

But you still can not have power with the angels unless you have that uncut magic hair we hear so much about.


:ursofunny

[Jermyn Davidson]

I don't believe it is a bad thing to have women ordained to preach. I do think it is unbiblical to allow them to Pastor a church, although I know of a few Apostolic woman Pastors or Overseers.

[Sister Alvear]

don´t worry about it the few that are left are dying off...don´t see too many replacements.

[theoldpaths]

The question was - do they accept women Pastors?

Now considering the context was a meeting where a NEW fellowship was being organized, one interpretation of the above question could be...

"Will they accept women pastors to join, but perhaps look at whether a man should take over at some point in the future?"

I know that is not what was asked, but the literal question was NOT "will they allow women preachers", but rather "do they or will they accept women pastors"?

ALLOW mean that one has authority to grant permission, whereas ACCEPT means will one person on one side ACCEPT another person coming into that side that is not originally on that side.

To join the new side, one will have to agree with all of the rules/state't of faith/constitution/etc on the new side.

Does the statement of faith/constitution/rules/laws say ANYTHING about women pastoring/preaching/being given a license?

I'm just wondering if someone was looking so hard to find something against the WPF that they may have started something that they might regret later?

I can tell you this, that my Pastor is in the WPF and has a position there, but has NEVER is over 30 years of pastoring my church has let a woman preach and is against it.

For me, the scriptures are quite clear - 3 witnesses in the words of the NT -

1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

1Co 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1Ti 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Witness # 1 - Paul in 1 Cor 14
Witness # 2 - As also saith the law
Witness # 3 - Paul to Timothy

Act 1:16 Men and brethren, this Scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.

Act 1:21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
Act 1:22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

Even though women were present in the upper room, Peter was only addressing the "Men and brethren" with regards to replacing Judas. Of only the men was one to be ordained. Women were not even an option in the mind of Peter and evidentally of all those who were present as no one fussed about it.

[tv1a]

I'd hope you have other sources than the Apostolic Pretender.

Found this when reading the Apostolic Contender Blog (http://apostoliccontender.blogspot.com/). GR had asked some specific questions, and this one was answered.


3.) Will the WPF accept women Pastors?

3. Yes

[Sister Alvear]

I wouldn´t worry...not many left...

[Dora]

Ok...I'm not sayin' anything...mmmffftttt...where is my male authority?...mmmfffttt...I can't say nuthin' til I find my male authority person to approve what I'm about to say....mmmmffffttt...Ok...well...I'm going off to bed now. Have to wait until tomorrow...never can find my male authority person when I need him...Rats!!!

[Sister Alvear]

just slam your fist on that pulpit someone will listen!

[LadyRev]

Act 1:16 Men and brethren, this Scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.

Act 1:21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
Act 1:22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

Even though women were present in the upper room, Peter was only addressing the "Men and brethren" with regards to replacing Judas. Of only the men was one to be ordained. Women were not even an option in the mind of Peter and evidentally of all those who were present as no one fussed about it.

Surely you can do better than this.

There are countless scriptures that address "MEN" and/or "BRETHREN" that are also applied to women.

According to your line of thinking, the following scripture only applies to males.

Ro 12:1 -
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

[Sister Alvear]

:tease Don´t worry Lady Rev...the men would not have even known Jesus arose if it had not been for the ladies for they were off in hiding....

[King's Child]

:tease Don´t worry Lady Rev...the men would not have even known Jesus arose if it had not been for the ladies for they were off in hiding....

:ursofunny

[Sister Alvear]

King´s child you are from a wonderful state!

[LadyRev]

:tease Don´t worry Lady Rev...the men would not have even known Jesus arose if it had not been for the ladies for they were off in hiding....

LOL!

And I'm sure Jesus' instructions regarding being born again also apply to "men" only. Afterall, it does say, "Except a man be born again...he cannot see..."

:D

[Sister Alvear]

You don´t have to go to Bible school for this one:

Acts 8:3-4

3 As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.

4 Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.
KJV

Acts 8:3-5
3 Saul was going everywhere to devastate the church. He went from house to house, dragging out both men and women to throw them into jail.


4.But the believers who had fled Jerusalem went everywhere preaching the Good News about Jesus.
NLT

Acts 8:3-4
3 Paul was like a wild man, going everywhere to devastate the believers, even entering private homes and dragging out men and women alike and jailing them.

4 But the believers who had fled Jerusalem went everywhere preaching the Good News about Jesus!
TLB

Acts 8:3-4

3 But Saul tried to destroy the church; going from house to house, he dragged out the believers, both men and women, and threw them into jail.


The Gospel Is Preached in Samaria


4 The believers who were scattered went everywhere, preaching the message
TEV

Acts 8:3-4

3 But Saul shamefully treated and laid waste the church continuously [with cruelty and violence]; and entering house after house, he dragged out men and women and committed them to prison.

4 Now those who were scattered abroad went about [through the land from place to place] preaching the glad tidings, the Word [the doctrine concerning the attainment through Christ of salvation in the kingdom of God].
AMP

Acts 8:2-5
3 But Saul began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.

4 Those who had been scattered preached the word wherever they went.
NIV

If women are believers they were in on the preaching or the Bible is wrong...

[areyourucky]

In the bible god used many women to do gods will. God would rather us a man, but if there is no man with a back bone to do, he will use anybody or and thing, including a talking through a donkey. Sara palin exited the last election race, Why, she had a back bone and knew where she was going. None of the other men running on either side had a back bone or a straight godly direction. Rev brother Jeff Arnold said it one way while preaching. Seems like we are getting a genaration of pentecosal POPES. Ruling like. But god wants to talk direct to the lowest member, and connect and comune. I have heard many women preach, they seem to have greater anointing, they have to, to overcome the room full of wet blankets. God would rather use a man, but in our whimped down culture where are they, and can they stand on there own. I thank God for WWPF, it is time to get back to basics. What people in churchs now days call holyness, you would be sent home from public schools for in the 70"s. Our nations loose morals, and what hollywood spues out to the rest of the world is why Islam things we are the great satan. Islam is not right, but they do try to like a clean life.

[Sister Alvear]

I was told by a member they do and asked by several brethern if I was going to join...so I would say they do.

[Falla39]

don´t worry about it the few that are left are dying off...don´t see too many replacements.

Sis. Alvear,

Just saw your post and it made me think of something. It seems there
is always a problem with women being used of God, even though the
Word says that "in" Christ there is no difference in jew nor gentile, bond
or free, male or female.
The enemy loves to keep enemity between husbands and wives, and he
loves enemity between brothers and sisters in the church. When there is
a lack of love in the church, there is not likely going to be too many
newborn babes in that church. In the home where there is enemity, and
a lack of love, there's probably not going to be the desire for a newborn
in that home. Why do so many women today NOT desire children. Even
if there is a conception, many times it is aborted.
The Word says that "because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall
wax cold". I believe we are living in such a day.
But in the home or in the church where there is a lack of love, the women
that could bear children are not going to desire children. If there isn't a lack
of love, why are there so many divorces today. It has been said and I think
there are figures that confirm this, that there are as many divorces in the
church as there is in non-church going families. That is sad. Love has grown
cold.

Just some thoughts not intended for offence to anyone.

Hugs,

Falla39

[Sister Alvear]

So true, my dear friend...may we pray daily for baptisms of love!

[Trouvere]

Jesus calls not man. We have to answer regardless of the sorrows and heartaches and conflicts. You cannot say no to the will and call of God regardless if no one else accepts it.

[Sister Alvear]

It is not my nature to fight over anything...however if a person is called gifts make room for themselves.

[Truthseeker]

You heard him, ladies....

Shut Up!

No testifying
No teaching
No prophesying
No talking
No asking questions (except at home, ask only your husband)
No witnessing
No singing
No praying out loud
No verbal worship
No ____________________________ (Fill in the blank)

Keep SILENT means KEEP SILENT!)

Now, print this out, fold it into a paper airplane and have fun with it!


So what doe it mean?

[Truthseeker]

Isn't it fun explaining the Bible as we choose to see it and expecting everyone else to see it our way, and when they don't, they are wrong?

LOL!

Cracks me up that you will explain away the kiss greeting as cultural, but the women keeping silent (with the exceptions you mention that Paul never makes) isn't. That scripture isn't even talking about women preaching!! LOL!

Even if wrong about holy kiss doesn't take away what it says about being silent.

[Sister Alvear]

Never seen a church yet with silent women...

[Truthseeker]

Never seen a church yet with silent women...

When paul says for women to be silent, what does he mean?

[Sister Alvear]

Probably the same as Peter when he said in Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45 And
sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.


Whatever we want it to mean!

[Sept5SavedTeen]

Probably the same as Peter when he said in Acts 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45 And
sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.


Whatever we want it to mean!

A holy kind of anger stirs up in me, sister, when a response like that comes forth from a Scripture. Just because a Scripture is difficult to understand doesn't mean that we can shrug it off and say, "Well, hey, this one is tough to understand too..." I mean, why don't I throw out other questions and Scriptures like "What about Cain's wife?" everytime a Scripture comes to me that is difficult.

I believe we should seek understanding on what it means for a woman to keep silent, and I would understand that as a woman not teaching or having authority over the men in the church. As for Acts 2:44-45 I would look at the concept of "all things being held in common" and I would also consider the economically hard times the church in Jerusalem was in during it's early years (I believe there was also a drought during that time, but I could be wrong).

I love you in the LORD, Sis. Alvear, but I just disagreed with that comment. May the LORD bless you richly!

-Bro. Alex

[Sept5SavedTeen]

I also just want to point out of course, that my interpretations of the two Scriptures above that were in question are up for further learning, for me. I don't consider myself to know the full depth of either Scripture, and I could be wrong (as I have been about many things in the past).

-Bro. Alex

[Sister Alvear]

A holy kind of anger stirs up in me, sister, when a response like that comes forth from a Scripture. Just because a Scripture is difficult to understand doesn't mean that we can shrug it off and say, "Well, hey, this one is tough to understand too..." I mean, why don't I throw out other questions and Scriptures like "What about Cain's wife?" everytime a Scripture comes to me that is difficult.

I believe we should seek understanding on what it means for a woman to keep silent, and I would understand that as a woman not teaching or having authority over the men in the church. As for Acts 2:44-45 I would look at the concept of "all things being held in common" and I would also consider the economically hard times the church in Jerusalem was in during it's early years (I believe there was also a drought during that time, but I could be wrong).

I love you in the LORD, Sis. Alvear, but I just disagreed with that comment. May the LORD bless you richly!

-Bro. Alex


I think really we are saying the same thing...some things we do not understand mostly because of culture difference back then and now.

Brother Alex...I feel that no godly woman would ever want to rule over a man...I have worked in His fields many years and met many godly women...not one has ever expressed to me that she wanted to rule over a man...

[LadyRev]

I also just want to point out of course, that my interpretations of the two Scriptures above that were in question are up for further learning, for me. I don't consider myself to know the full depth of either Scripture, and I could be wrong (as I have been about many things in the past).

-Bro. Alex

I'm impressed with your attitude. Very refreshing.

[Trouvere]

No woman wants to preach to a bunch of meanies. If someone doesn't want you too bad Jesus does and He will take you where He can use you the most and best.
Women are called by
God not man.

[pkdad]

Found this when reading the Apostolic Contender Blog (http://apostoliccontender.blogspot.com/). GR had asked some specific questions, and this one was answered.


3.) Will the WPF accept women Pastors?

3. Yes

The question should be...does the Word of God accept women Pastors?

[RandyWayne]

The question should be...does the Word of God accept women Pastors?

And the answer is yes.

[Sister Alvear]

If he calls I would say he accepts them!
He called me to be a missionary....Acts 8 lets us know that men and women went everywhere preaching...the HG gives s power to be a witness to any one anywhere...

By saying that I am not saying God calls some woman to tell a man to shut up...or have that tone....however HE does use His Handmaidens...

[Trouvere]

Jesus does what He wants as its His kingdom. It amazes me how much is preached and held to that is not even Jesus' idea and people think He backs them up even when they are contentious about it. I have heard some of the silliest things come over pulpits and those saying them actually thought that Jesus backed their ideas

[Sept5SavedTeen]

If he calls I would say he accepts them!
He called me to be a missionary....Acts 8 lets us know that men and women went everywhere preaching...the HG gives s power to be a witness to any one anywhere...

By saying that I am not saying God calls some woman to tell a man to shut up...or have that tone....however HE does use His Handmaidens...

The word "preaching" is used in different ways. There are several words in Greek for our translation of "preaching." Also, the question would be how could a woman "preach" to men, when she is not given that authority? Women can speak/"preach" to other women... Perhaps that's what was going on, since the Word can not be in contradiction.

-Bro. Alex

[Sister Alvear]

Alex there is a book I would like for you to read...I will PM the title to you and where to get it.
I do not like to debate on Public Forum this question because most want to insult and not really talk about the matter...
I do not think a woman IF she is in her place TAKES authority over a man...to share the good news of salvation is not taking authority over any man. I do agree I have seen some women get out of their place but I have seen men get out of their place also...

Men are to love their wives as Christ loved (loves) the Church...

I have a wonderful pastor and he has been my pastor for over 50 years....I can say he is one of the few men I have seen that I can say without reserve He has loved his wife as Christ loves the church...Such a chrisitian! He does not believe in loud, overbearing women in the pulpit but he does believe in godly women in the pulpit...
As long as He lives I am first under his covering and of course under the covering of my husband that too is a godly man...I am covered in Christ.

God has an order...it is not a free for all...I know lots of men that do not believe in women preachers but their wives run the show...no wonder they don´t believe in them! lol...Now that is not always the case....

God did and does use women...but if you will notice women that God used were NOT trying to get attention most were just quitely doing their job...whatever that was...

[Sister Alvear]

Sunday, I was the last one that said anything in service so in the American way I guess you would say, I preached...However I did not take authority over my husband HE called me to give the announcements and say whatever I felt...I felt a scripture and talked about it...men and women were present...If the Lord dropped that scripture in my heart and He did, then standing behind a pulpit of standing behind a pew I would have said the same thing...call it testifying or preaching...whatever...sometimes we try to say standing behind a pew is one thing behind a pulpit is another...but that is just an idea...the first christians generally met in homes so they had neither!

[shawndell]

Sister thank you for the work that you do not every one would step up to the plate and do what you do .I dont ever want to be out of line with Gods word.I just want to follow Jesus and,i dont want athority over a man.I just want them to stop thinking that God loves them more because they were first in the creation of man kind.The animals were created first.Please pray for me.I love you in Jesus.

[shawndell]

Yes I do believe.

[BrotherEastman]

Never seen a church yet with silent women...
Heh heh heh! So true.

[Falla39]

I think really we are saying the same thing...some things we do not understand mostly because of culture difference back then and now.

Brother Alex...I feel that no godly woman would ever want to rule over a man...I have worked in His fields many years and met many godly women...not one has ever expressed to me that she wanted to rule over a man...

Sis. Alvear,

I think many times it is the lack of confidence in godly women and the
fear that some have, that the women will take over. A true lady of God
knows her place and knows what it takes to please God. IF she knows
her Bible! Many godly women have read and studied God's Word with the
Holy Ghost anointing on her life and I honestly feel some men are threatened
by that!
God gives women the Holy Ghost! If she studies and seeks God, and follows
on to know the Lord, in time she to be able to discern if that person is preach-
ing God's Word or if he is just talking. That possibly intimidates some! God
qualifies or anoints those HE calls, male or female! God does the calling!
Many are called but few are chosen. Chosen of God and precious!

Not for offense to anyone, and certainly not to sound arrogant! Just endeavoring
to speak truth in love!

Blessings,

Falla39

[shawndell]

A man or woman should only speak when God talks not,when its coming from the flesh.:heart:heart:heart:heart:heart:heart:heart:h eart:heart

[BrotherEastman]

A man or woman should only speak when God talks not,when its coming from the flesh.:heart:heart:heart:heart:heart:heart:heart:h eart:heart
Don't make me come over there sis!:foottap

[Truthseeker]

Sister thank you for the work that you do not every one would step up to the plate and do what you do .I dont ever want to be out of line with Gods word.I just want to follow Jesus and,i dont want athority over a man.I just want them to stop thinking that God loves them more because they were first in the creation of man kind.The animals were created first.Please pray for me.I love you in Jesus.

I have never ever heard a man say God loves them more then women. Maybe you have but I haven't.

[shawndell]

Don't make me come over there sis!:foottap What do you mean?:largehalo:largehalo:gaga