"Holiness" From the WPF Articles of Faith...

[revrandy]

http://www.worldwidepf.com/page.php?ID=29

"All artifice is viewed as obstruction to her authentic beauty and is to be avoided (I Timothy 2:9,10). Jewelry, (I Timothy 2:9), make-up, (II Kings 9:3) dyes, and any other artificiality, as well as immodest apparel, are viewed as attempts to artificially induce beauty (Isaiah 3:16-24 RSV, I Peter 3:1-5) and replace the lost glow of God’s glory as seen in the face of the believer as well as in the heavens. All this is Scripturally associated with Jezebel, who is both an Old Testament (I Kings 18:4, 19:1-2, II Kings 9:7,30), as well as New Testament, example of seduction and artificiality (Revelation 2:20,22). Thus, “cosmetics,” derived from “cosmos” (arrangement, as in the universe) are attempts to “make-up” the sparkle and glow, which is normative in the presence of the living God as well as within the believer (Philippians 2:15).


It's a good thing the Bible didn't say anything about Gaudy and Expensive Hats...I've seen some of the General Councils family Hat collection....:D

Hair..
Mankind requires both feminine and masculine gender to complete the role as revealer of God’s image, that is, being made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27). Thus, Scripture is firmly consistent in its insistence on maintaining feminine/masculine distinctions. This is done in numerous ways, ranging from repeated explanations of the order of nature (I Corinthians 15:38-41; I Corinthians 11:3), including sexual relations being normative between male and female (Genesis 2:24, 4:1,2; Proverbs 18:22), to injunctions concerning dress, and distinctions between things which are associated with men versus things which are associated with women I Corinthians 6:9, Deuteronomy 22:5, I Corinthians 11:4,5, 14,15). Pants, for example, scripturally and historically are equivalent to “girding up the loins like a man” (Job 38:3), something women did not do (Deuteronomy 22:5). Included in these distinctions were occupations and activities which were masculine as opposed to those considered feminine (I Timothy 5:14; Titus 2:4,5 and Titus 2:6-8). Hair is also an outward distinctive which Scripture utilizes to display this principle. Cut hair for masculine (I Corinthians 11:4, 13), uncut hair for feminine (I Corinthians 11:5,6,14), are also examples utilized to emphasize this principle (I Corinthians 11:7-9). Even in the liberty, freedom, and gender equivalency of New Testament birth of the Spirit and ministry, (Galatians 3:28; Ephesians 2:15,16) Paul firmly delineates equality in ministry as a separate thing from destruction of feminine and masculine distinctions (Acts 2:17,18). He insists that women and men, though both can be equally anointed, (Acts 21:9; I Corinthians 12:10) nevertheless are to maintain their order and gender distinction outwardly by man’s cut hair and the woman’s uncut hair (I Corinthians 11:13-15). These guidelines clearly cannot be dismissed as local cultural biases of days gone by. Nor can they be classified as parochial issues germane only to a certain day or time. They are, instead, connected to the permanent ground and order of Creation and should not be abrogated due to whim and fancy of a worldly society.

Interesting...

[pentecostisalive]

Good Stuff....

[HeavenlyOne]

Well, no feathers or tiring of heads in that org............

[CaliG]

Hey Everyone,
I am posting for the first time so totally do not know what I am doing. I do have a serious question about an excerpt from the AOF of the WWPF. I believe that it states that all ministers will "avoid, to the best of my ability, every appearance of evil, shall follow after holy living and shun worldliness in all its carnal and ungodly, forms and places; entertainment or otherwise". Then they are inviting all their Ministers and Wives to their retreat in Branson and they are promoting Silver Dollar City and Shepherd of the Hills. I am really not trying to be ridiculous here, but I am truly wondering who decides what is worldly and carnal and what is not? Can someone help me out with this? When you go to Silver Dollar City can you go to the Big Screen shows, saloon shows, etc? And what is the difference between Shepherd of the Hills and a Broadway show (except of course the level of excellence in acting?) I will wait to hear from all you experienced Bible scholars out there. Thanks

[philjones]

Hey Everyone,
I am posting for the first time so totally do not know what I am doing. I do have a serious question about an excerpt from the AOF of the WWPF. I believe that it states that all ministers will "avoid, to the best of my ability, every appearance of evil, shall follow after holy living and shun worldliness in all its carnal and ungodly, forms and places; entertainment or otherwise". Then they are inviting all their Ministers and Wives to their retreat in Branson and they are promoting Silver Dollar City and Shepherd of the Hills. I am really not trying to be ridiculous here, but I am truly wondering who decides what is worldly and carnal and what is not? Can someone help me out with this? When you go to Silver Dollar City can you go to the Big Screen shows, saloon shows, etc? And what is the difference between Shepherd of the Hills and a Broadway show (except of course the level of excellence in acting?) I will wait to hear from all you experienced Bible scholars out there. Thanks

Not being a Bible Scholar, I am not attempting to answer your questions. I just wanted to point out that many of the conservatives here, especially those from MISSISSIPPI will probably shy away from interacting with you due to your chosen sign in name. :D

One question, other than in your name, in what other ways are you similar to AliG of Borat fame?

[revrandy]

Hey Everyone,
I am posting for the first time so totally do not know what I am doing. I do have a serious question about an excerpt from the AOF of the WWPF. I believe that it states that all ministers will "avoid, to the best of my ability, every appearance of evil, shall follow after holy living and shun worldliness in all its carnal and ungodly, forms and places; entertainment or otherwise". Then they are inviting all their Ministers and Wives to their retreat in Branson and they are promoting Silver Dollar City and Shepherd of the Hills. I am really not trying to be ridiculous here, but I am truly wondering who decides what is worldly and carnal and what is not? Can someone help me out with this? When you go to Silver Dollar City can you go to the Big Screen shows, saloon shows, etc? And what is the difference between Shepherd of the Hills and a Broadway show (except of course the level of excellence in acting?) I will wait to hear from all you experienced Bible scholars out there. Thanks


Good Question.....But Branson is a Sacred Land of Delights to the Extra Conservatives.....so you probably won't get an answer...:D

[Fireside]

If you don't know the difference between Silver Dollar City and things which are unwholesome and ungodly, I doubt if an explanation on an internet forum could enlighten you.

[revrandy]

If you don't know the difference between Silver Dollar City and things which are unwholesome and ungodly, I doubt if an explanation on an internet forum could enlighten you.

Do you consider Disneyland wholesome and fun???

[Fireside]

Do you consider Disneyland wholesome and fun???

I have never been, and have really no opinion, nor basis from which to form an opinion.

[revrandy]

I have never been, and have really no opinion, nor basis from which to form an opinion.

Would you go if afforded the oppurtunity?

[Fireside]

Would you go if afforded the oppurtunity?

I'd want to find out what it is about, and talk to some folks who had been there.

My first impulse is probably not, since it is based on a Hollywood theme and would more than likely not be all that interesting to me and mine.

I have taken my kids to things like Frontier City and Worlds of Fun.

[RevBuddy]

If you don't know the difference between Silver Dollar City and things which are unwholesome and ungodly, I doubt if an explanation on an internet forum could enlighten you.


Sorry, CS, that's not a sufficient answer. Both locations have "worldly entertainment" according to the Tulsa crowd. It is clearly inconsistent with their words. But, of course, that has never stopped them before...

They have always been much more efficient at judging others than themselves... Maybe they've anointed Branson with oil, or something like that...and purified the surrounding geography...no doubt, that's it...

but you are consistent...ever the loyal apologist...

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[RevBuddy]

I'd want to find out what it is about, and talk to some folks who had been there.

My first impulse is probably not, since it is based on a Hollywood theme and would more than likely not be all that interesting to me and mine.

I have taken my kids to things like Frontier City and Worlds of Fun.

Well, that's comforting...no Hollywood themes in Branson??!!???

:TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO:

[Fireside]

Sorry, CS, that's not a sufficient answer. Both locations have "worldly entertainment" according to the Tulsa crowd. It is clearly inconsistent with their words. But, of course, that has never stopped them before...

They have always been much more efficient at judging others than themselves... Maybe they've anointed Branson with oil, or something like that...and purified the surrounding geography...no doubt, that's it...

but you are consistent...ever the loyal apologist...

:TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO:

Recreation is an area where exact lines are very difficult to draw.

This is an ideal place for the principle of liberty to be applied.

These nit picky little criticisms--attempting to define terms and generalities in a document like the AoF, and then lambast men based on that definition, are easy enough to see through.

This is a game, and it is easy to see through.

Here is how it works--find some supposed inconsistency in a man's stance, and use it to criticize him, and justify whatever the critic wants to justify in his own life.

Of course, to do this, you have to take the term "worldly entertainment"and define it in a certain way, ignoring the fact that there is room for every pastor and individual to make choices about how that principle is defined and applied in their own flock or life.

There are some things spelled out very clearly in the Scripture--other things are covered by principle.

This Branson business is a very obvious petty attempt to find fault and nitpick.

[Fireside]

Well, that's comforting...no Hollywood themes in Branson??!!???

:TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO:


You can't walk down the street without being exposed to Hollywood themes, but of course you know that.

I simply meant that we would probably not be as interested in a place that was built solely around a Hollywood concept, like Disney. All those characters and attractions built around themes from their movies would probably not appeal as strongly to my kids as it would to kids who had more familiarity with it.

You guys are really reaching today.

[RevBuddy]

Recreation is an area where exact lines are very difficult to draw.

This is an ideal place for the principle of liberty to be applied.

These nit picky little criticisms--attempting to define terms and generalities in a document like the AoF, and then lambast men based on that definition, are easy enough to see through.

This is a game, and it is easy to see through.

Here is how it works--find some supposed inconsistency in a man's stance, and use it to criticize him, and justify whatever the critic wants to justify in his own life.

Of course, to do this, you have to take the term "worldly entertainment"and define it in a certain way, ignoring the fact that there is room for every pastor and individual to make choices about how that principle is defined and applied in their own flock or life.

There are some things spelled out very clearly in the Scripture--other things are covered by principle.

This Branson business is a very obvious petty attempt to find fault and nitpick.

No one is lambasting anyone...just pointing out inconsistencies...and, in fact, your explanations keep changing, too. It really is hard to be so pious and perfect...being the only ones maintaining the TRUE holiness standard...

sorry, if legitimate questions bother you so much... "Have thread, will post!"

:TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO:

[Fireside]

No one is lambasting anyone...just pointing out inconsistencies...and, in fact, your explanations keep changing, too. It really is hard to be so pious and perfect...being the only ones maintaining the TRUE holiness standard...

sorry, if legitimate questions bother you so much... "Have thread, will post!"

:TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO:

My explanations keep changing?

Please explain how.

Furthermore, I make no claims of being pious nor perfect. Nor have I ever said or intimated that I, or any group, was the only ones maintaining some TRUE holiness standard.

I challenge you to find evidence to support either of these baseless accusations.

More hyperbole.

[RevBuddy]

You can't walk down the street without being exposed to Hollywood themes, but of course you know that.

I simply meant that we would probably not be as interested in a place that was built solely around a Hollywood concept, like Disney. All those characters and attractions built around themes from their movies would probably not appeal as strongly to my kids as it would to kids who had more familiarity with it.

You guys are really reaching today.

I'm only 5' 6''...I can't reach very far...

"You can't walk down the street without being exposed to Hollywood themes, but of course you know that." You got that right...and that's the point...will we eventually be told to go to run to the deserts or caves...and begin a Neo-Essene existence?

:TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO:

[Fireside]

I'm only 5' 6''...I can't reach very far...

"You can't walk down the street without being exposed to Hollywood themes, but of course you know that." You got that right...and that's the point...will we eventually be told to go to run to the deserts or caves...and begin a Neo-Essene existence?

:TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO:


More extreme polarizing rhetoric.

More hyperbole.

I think I am going to just let you have fun by yourself a while.:)

You can tell folks you won this one, Rev. :)

[RevBuddy]

More extreme polarizing rhetoric.

More hyperbole.

I think I am going to just let you have fun by yourself a while.:)

You can tell folks you won this one, Rev. :)


Ok...but what "folks" do you suggest I tell? If you take your ball and go home (for now), we'll have to buy another ball...

:TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO:

[CaliG]

To be totally honest, I had never heard of 'AliG' until your post--I have heard of Borat (Greg Godwin fame) however. Who or what is AliG? I only chose that name because of being from the 'dreaded' state of CA, Modesto to be exact.

[CaliG]

I am truly not trying to find fault and nitpick--just pointing out that when you try to 'micro-manage' everything, you can't help but have inconsistencies. Silver Dollar City is no different than Disneyland--just smaller with one theme instead of several. I've had pastors from both ends of the spectrum--ultra-conservative and balanced--believe me, I would never want to go back to the place where I am constantly looking over my shoulder, wondering if there is any way I can measure up, even when I know I'm not doing anything wrong.

[Kutless]

is tradition such a bad thing?

[stmatthew]

Do you consider Disneyland wholesome and fun???

It was when I went last year. :D

[Rev]

Ok...but what "folks" do you suggest I tell? If you take your ball and go home (for now), we'll have to buy another ball...

:TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO: :TulsaNO:

This whole thing is baseless and proves a very important point!

If anyone actually believed that the Coming of the Lord (the parousia) was emanate would they be anywhere near any theme park? NO!

I've heard people say, "I believe the Lord could come in the next second! Do they really?"

The answer is NO THEY DON'T!

If anyone really blieved the Lord could come soon they would be praying and repenting period.

They would also be calling loved ones begging them to get to the church fast.

It's like so many other things, we preach one thing and live another.

[RevBuddy]

This whole thing is baseless and proves a very important point!

If anyone actually believed that the Coming of the Lord (the parousia) was emanate would they be anywhere near any theme park? NO!

I've heard people say, "I believe the Lord could come in the next second! Do they really?"

The answer is NO THEY DON'T!

If anyone really blieved the Lord could come soon they would be praying and repenting period.

They would also be calling loved ones begging them to get to the church fast.

It's like so many other things, we preach one thing and live another.

Oh my...someone's had a bad day...

And I wouldn't mind being caught up to meet Him in the air from the first car of the BONECRUSHER Roller Coaster ride...that would be great!!

Not the ride, of course, I meant the rapture part...ok, I guess you knew what I meant...

[Rev]

Oh my...someone's had a bad day...

And I wouldn't mind being caught up to meet Him in the air from the first car of the BONECRUSHER Roller Coaster ride...that would be great!!

Not the ride, of course, I meant the rapture part...ok, I guess you knew what I meant...

Not a bad day - just fact!