View Full Version : Wayne McClain disaffiliates his church
SecretWarrior
01-31-2008, 10:51 AM
He held the vote to disaffiliate last night. The vote was 95 to 5 in favor of disaffiliation. Does this mean he is gone too?
StMark
01-31-2008, 10:59 AM
was he at WPF? Did he join ?
If so, I would safely say that disafiliation is a clue
pelathais
01-31-2008, 11:27 AM
was he at WPF? Did he join ?
If so, I would safely say that disafiliation is a clue
I believe that one of the play-by-play announcers that we had at WwPF stated that he spoke briefly.
And by the way... can we get a ruling from admins "on high:" Do we refer to this new "org" as WPF or WwPF? There's already a Pentecostal group called the "World Pentecostal Fellowship (http://www.fuller.edu/archive/html/organiza.htm)" founded by "Mr. Pentecost" himself, David Du Plessis which is already called the "WPF."
We need some sort of extra-denominational governing body to dispense the acronyms and keep everyone informed of each new organization.
I would say (not that anyone's listening) that using WWPF would needlessly tie up an acronym that could be used by some future organization such as the "Wonderful Waffles, Pancakes & Flapjacks" House of Joy, Deliverance and Syrup.
And, since the "extra" w is part of a compound word (Worldwide) that the governing body which I envision should rule on the use of WwPF to describe the "Tulsa Group." (Note: the lower case "w" which allows for future expansion and growth in acronyms).
Timmy
01-31-2008, 11:31 AM
I like WWPF. Sounds like a wrestling federation, and I predict that it will become just that. It won't be long before some of them notice that not everyone there is quite holy enough.
Don't miss:
WWPF SMACKDOWN!!!
On pay-per-view!
Pastor G
01-31-2008, 11:45 AM
I like WWPF. Sounds like a wrestling federation, and I predict that it will become just that. It won't be long before some of them notice that not everyone there is quite holy enough.
Don't miss:
WWPF SMACKDOWN!!!
On pay-per-view!
Is that pay-per-view radio, film-strips, slides with a projector on the wall, 16 mm film or the informative internet?
DividedThigh
01-31-2008, 11:46 AM
Is that pay-per-view radio, film-strips, slides with a projector on the wall, 16 mm film or the informative internet?
dont forget 8 mm,, lol, dt:tvhappy
IBCrazier2
01-31-2008, 12:36 PM
He held the vote to disaffiliate last night. The vote was 95 to 5 in favor of disaffiliation. Does this mean he is gone too?
I was told back in 2002 that they were going to disaffiliate! (by a person very much in the know)
been in the plans for a while!!!!
Timmy
01-31-2008, 12:45 PM
dont forget 8 mm,, lol, dt:tvhappy
How about hieroglyphics?
Esther
01-31-2008, 01:28 PM
He held the vote to disaffiliate last night. The vote was 95 to 5 in favor of disaffiliation. Does this mean he is gone too?
I seem to remember someone on here saying that he did not give his approval for his name to be on the board.
YET, he went to the meeting and now leaving the organization.
Huummm is all I'm going to say.
Bullwinkle
01-31-2008, 01:55 PM
If there were a hundred voters on such an important issue how large is the church?
PastorD
01-31-2008, 04:34 PM
If there were a hundred voters on such an important issue how large is the church?
As a general rule, if voting is allowed at age 16, you double the number of voters and you have a good estimate of the overall membership kids and all.
May not be true in every instance, but as a general rule it works.
Last I knew, Elder McClain's church was running around 225-250.
He is one of the greatest men I know. A real man of God.
Jericho
01-31-2008, 05:40 PM
So far, it seems to me that these guys have sour grapes over positions they either didn't get or didn't keep in the UPCI. Lot's of Chiefs, how many Indians?
So far, it seems to me that these guys have sour grapes over positions they either didn't get or didn't keep in the UPCI. Lot's of Chiefs, how many Indians?
I was wondering how you came to this conclusion! Do you know Wayne McClain?
So far, it seems to me that these guys have sour grapes over positions they either didn't get or didn't keep in the UPCI. Lot's of Chiefs, how many Indians?
There might be some men you could make this statement about, and there be some evidence to supportit.
But you very obviously don't know Wayne McClain or you wouldn't say that about him.
Hoovie
01-31-2008, 06:00 PM
where is this church?
where is this church?
Houston
where is this church?
Pasadena, Texas
Jericho
01-31-2008, 06:08 PM
Yes I do.
He ran for the DS of TX when JK was elected in the early 90's. He would have made good Supt, no doubt. My comment is simply a reflection on the fact that there are some who feel they have no opportunity in the UPC to lead.
I've known and have fellowshiped most of these men over the years. Love them all, but its not unusal for positions of leadership to effect people. Positions that they hold or fail to hold.
Who knows the heart? It seems that most of these men have held office or desired to hold office in the past. I think this whole thing is about power and control.
This new "fellowship" may afford them those opportunities.
Just my opinion.
Yes I do.
He ran for the DS of TX when JK was elected in the early 90's. He would have made good Supt, no doubt. My comment is simply a reflection on the fact that there are some who feel they have no opportunity in the UPC to lead.
I've known and have fellowshiped most of these men over the years. Love them all, but its not unusal for positions of leadership to effect people. Positions that they hold or fail to hold.
Who knows the heart? It seems that most of these men have held office or desired to hold office in the past. I think this whole thing is about power and control.
This new "fellowship" may afford them those opportunities.
Just my opinion.
The quote button is on the right hand side of the screen.
A Hot Head
Him?
A hot head?
Dora, he is one of the least hot headed people I know. Wayne McClain is absolutely one of the greatest Christians I have ever known.
The man is so good I have wondered if he is even real sometimes.
Jericho
01-31-2008, 06:17 PM
I was wondering how you came to this conclusion! Do you know Wayne McClain?
Yes I do.
He ran for the DS of TX when JK was elected in the early 90's. He would have made good Supt, no doubt. My comment is simply a reflection on the fact that there are some who feel they have no opportunity in the UPC to lead.
I've known and have fellowshiped most of these men over the years. Love them all, but its not unusal for positions of leadership to effect people. Positions that they hold or fail to hold.
Who knows the heart? It seems that most of these men have held office or desired to hold office in the past. I think this whole thing is about power and control.
This new "fellowship" may afford them those opportunities.
Just my opinion.
(sorry, new to this
Yes I do.
He ran for the DS of TX when JK was elected in the early 90's. He would have made good Supt, no doubt. My comment is simply a reflection on the fact that there are some who feel they have no opportunity in the UPC to lead.
I've known and have fellowshiped most of these men over the years. Love them all, but its not unusal for positions of leadership to effect people. Positions that they hold or fail to hold.
Who knows the heart? It seems that most of these men have held office or desired to hold office in the past. I think this whole thing is about power and control.
This new "fellowship" may afford them those opportunities.
Just my opinion.
(sorry, new to this
Me too. I know a few things though.
Brother McClain conducted himself at all times as a gentleman, and no one can say that he ever created problems for Brother Kilgore or the leadership of the Texas District.
He didn't disaffiliate when he wasn't elected, and that has been years ago.
He disaffiliated when the UPC reversed a position that he felt strongly convicted about.
Jericho
01-31-2008, 06:32 PM
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Me too. I know a few things though.
We all know a few things. That's what makes this so interesting.
Wayne McClain has conducted himself above reproach foras long as I have known him.
In ethics and kindness he is really almost in a class by himself.
I surely hope you aren't attempting to reflect negatively on him.
We all know a few things. That's what makes this so interesting.
I'm talking about the quote button. See what I made bold.
Dan'D
01-31-2008, 06:50 PM
It is very strange., Anybody who realty knows Bro McClain will say you would not find a better man of God.
Anyone who knows the Tulsa 6 will always tell you could not find better men.
I bet none of you personally know anything negative about any of these men yet you can criticize there action, call them names. They see something you don’t.
As time goes you are going to find a lot more Bro McCain’s out there that will become part of World Wide Pentecostal Fellowship.
After a year or so when the dust settles you are going to be shocked.
Dan’D
pelathais
01-31-2008, 07:19 PM
Brother McClain conducted himself at all times as a gentleman, and no one can say that he ever created problems for Brother Kilgore or the leadership of the Texas District.
He didn't disaffiliate when he wasn't elected, and that has been years ago.
He disaffiliated when the UPC reversed a position that he felt strongly convicted about.
Then he must have affiliated in 1977?
pelathais
01-31-2008, 07:22 PM
It is very strange., Anybody who realty knows Bro McClain will say you would not find a better man of God.
Anyone who knows the Tulsa 6 will always tell you could not find better men.
I bet none of you personally know anything negative about any of these men yet you can criticize there action, call them names. They see something you don’t.
As time goes you are going to find a lot more Bro McCain’s out there that will become part of World Wide Pentecostal Fellowship.
After a year or so when the dust settles you are going to be shocked.
Dan’D
I think it's fair to question and even to criticize their actions. Speculation about motives gets a little harder to do. Judging their hearts is harder still and probably not our judgment to make any way.
But policy decisions have always been fair game in any converstation.
Him?
A hot head?
Dora, he is one of the least hot headed people I know. Wayne McClain is absolutely one of the greatest Christians I have ever known.
The man is so good I have wondered if he is even real sometimes.
His young people weren't allowed to associate with Life Tab kids. He's my cousin-in-law...(I don't know him, though.)LOL
AGAPE
01-31-2008, 08:23 PM
I have friends that NOW go to Life Tab....
I wouldn't fellowship them if I pastored near them either
I have friends that NOW go to Life Tab....
I wouldn't fellowship them if I pastored near them either
Why?
Weary Pilgrim
01-31-2008, 08:25 PM
I have friends that NOW go to Life Tab....
I wouldn't fellowship them if I pastored near them either
Why? are you too good ?
Mr. Steinway
01-31-2008, 08:31 PM
I have friends that NOW go to Life Tab....
I wouldn't fellowship them if I pastored near them either
Do your friends have to line up to all your beliefs to remain your friends?
KarenJo
01-31-2008, 08:33 PM
Yes I do.
He ran for the DS of TX when JK was elected in the early 90's. He would have made good Supt, no doubt. My comment is simply a reflection on the fact that there are some who feel they have no opportunity in the UPC to lead.
I've known and have fellowshiped most of these men over the years. Love them all, but its not unusal for positions of leadership to effect people. Positions that they hold or fail to hold.
Who knows the heart? It seems that most of these men have held office or desired to hold office in the past. I think this whole thing is about power and control.
This new "fellowship" may afford them those opportunities.
Just my opinion.
I think it's all about ego, control, and power. Ok, so some of these men didn't get the "position" that they wanted. Sorry, Life isn't fair! We've all been there. We didn't get picked for the team at recess. We didn't win the spelling bee. The list goes on and on. If ministry was doing everything that the Bible teaches regarding the office of Pastor, Teacher, Evangelist, etc. There wouldn't be any time for all of the junk that’s happening. If a minister can Pastor his church and meet the needs of those he is serving and still hold an office, without neglecting the church, then great. I think it’s time for ministry to remember just what their calling really is and to get back to building the lives of people that are in his care...
I have friends that NOW go to Life Tab....
I wouldn't fellowship them if I pastored near them either
That's your prerogative. I love Life Tab and I know they are good people.
It's interesting to see how many of WMc's kids married Life Tab kids and now attend Life Tab.
Mr. Steinway
01-31-2008, 08:51 PM
That's your prerogative. I love Life Tab and I know they are good people.
It's interesting to see how many of WMc's kids married Life Tab kids and now attend Life Tab.
I think Agape thinks it's the "backslidden" kids that now attend Life Tab!!
I think Agape thinks it's the "backslidden" kids that now attend Life Tab!!
Yeah...well...bless his heart...
Dan'D
01-31-2008, 08:56 PM
I think it's all about ego, control, and power. Ok, so some of these men didn't get the "position" that they wanted. Sorry, Life isn't fair! We've all been there. We didn't get picked for the team at recess. We didn't win the spelling bee. The list goes on and on. If ministry was doing everything that the Bible teaches regarding the office of Pastor, Teacher, Evangelist, etc. There wouldn't be any time for all of the junk that’s happening. If a minister can Pastor his church and meet the needs of those he is serving and still hold an office, without neglecting the church, then great. I think it’s time for ministry to remember just what their calling really is and to get back to building the lives of people that are in his care...
If you think it is all about Control and Power you don’t know these men.
Dan’D
:TulsaROCKS::TulsaROCKS::TulsaROCKS:
Weary Pilgrim
01-31-2008, 08:59 PM
If you think it is all about Control and Power you don’t know these men.
Dan’D
:TulsaROCKS::TulsaROCKS::TulsaROCKS:
If NW would have won the election in CA. as Western District Supt.,
where would he be today?
If NW would have won the election in CA. as Western District Supt.,
where would he be today?
Me thinks he would NOT be one of the top dogs of the WPF...but would be pushing his ultrcon agenda pretty hard in the Western District.
KarenJo
01-31-2008, 09:14 PM
Me thinks he would NOT be one of the top dogs of the WPF...but would be pushing his ultrcon agenda pretty hard in the Western District.
Dora, you are SOOOOOO right. I don't think he would be involved at all if Bro. T.R. McDonald was still living...
Dan'D
01-31-2008, 09:14 PM
If NW would have won the election in CA. as Western District Supt.,
where would he be today?
I don’t believe you even know NW. He is a will respected man of God.
Dan’D
:TulsaROCKS::TulsaROCKS::TulsaROCKS:
I don’t believe you even know NW. He is a will respected man of God.
Dan’D
:TulsaROCKS::TulsaROCKS::TulsaROCKS:
He's heading up a new org - WPF. Go join up. He'll gladly accept your monthly dues!
Y'all have fun now, ya hear!
IBCrazier2
01-31-2008, 10:28 PM
Yes I do.
He ran for the DS of TX when JK was elected in the early 90's. He would have made good Supt, no doubt. My comment is simply a reflection on the fact that there are some who feel they have no opportunity in the UPC to lead.
I've known and have fellowshiped most of these men over the years. Love them all, but its not unusal for positions of leadership to effect people. Positions that they hold or fail to hold.
Who knows the heart? It seems that most of these men have held office or desired to hold office in the past. I think this whole thing is about power and control.
This new "fellowship" may afford them those opportunities.
Just my opinion.
(sorry, new to this
If I recall correctly WM & JK were close in the elections and WM said he wouldn't run against his neighbor and withdrew his name before the second vote
Feel free to correct me if I am wrong .... my memory may have failed me.
Fireside
01-31-2008, 10:43 PM
If I recall correctly WM & JK were close in the elections and WM said he wouldn't run against his neighbor and withdrew his name before the second vote
Feel free to correct me if I am wrong .... my memory may have failed me.
That actually was what happened.
Sounds like he really was hungry for power, huh?
Weary Pilgrim
01-31-2008, 10:48 PM
I don’t believe you even know NW. He is a will respected man of God.
Dan’D
:TulsaROCKS::TulsaROCKS::TulsaROCKS:
I never said he wasn't a man of God.Furthermore,don't assume you know things things that you don't.I have resided in the same District and do know him.
Now,why don't you just answer the question instead of skirting around it with assumptions
IBCrazier2
01-31-2008, 10:51 PM
That actually was what happened.
Sounds like he really was hungry for power, huh?
He also withdrew his name for the STD position as well
Pastor G
01-31-2008, 10:57 PM
I was at both meetings you mention and I don't remember him pulling down against JK... In fact I distinctly remember a friend of his walking by him after JK was elected and shrugging his shoulders.
And I don't remember his name being read as one of the top 3 in STX election..
blueaugust
01-31-2008, 10:59 PM
Sorry guys, now I'm lost... What does STD means? Sounds like a disease...
PastorD
01-31-2008, 11:00 PM
:popcorn2
Dan'D
01-31-2008, 11:06 PM
I never said he wasn't a man of God.Furthermore,don't assume you know things things that you don't.I have resided in the same District and do know him.
Now,why don't you just answer the question instead of skirting around it with assumptions
WD is a very large district and I do know the man. I’ve know his family for 40 years and his Grandmother was a good friend of my father. So I say if you knew him as well as you claim you would know he is not hungry for power.
Dan’D
crakjak
01-31-2008, 11:13 PM
He held the vote to disaffiliate last night. The vote was 95 to 5 in favor of disaffiliation. Does this mean he is gone too?
Does he only have 100 members after all these years of labor?
Weary Pilgrim
01-31-2008, 11:13 PM
WD is a very large district and I do know the man. I’ve know his family for 40 years and his Grandmother was a good friend of my father. So I say if you knew him as well as you claim you would know he is not hungry for power.
Dan’D
I asked you a simple question.why don't you just answer it?
I not in competition with you over how long you've known NW.
If you've known him for 150 years,good for you.
again,here's the question i asked:
If NW would have won the election in CA. as Western District Supt.,
where would he be today?
.
Pastor G
01-31-2008, 11:17 PM
I hope the move is worth it for NW... He is losing quite a few people... That 60,000 a month mortgage is going to be hard to pay..
Dan'D
01-31-2008, 11:25 PM
I asked you a simple question.why don't you just answer it?
I not in competition with you over how long you've known NW.
If you've known him for 150 years,good for you.
again,here's the question i asked:
If NW would have won the election in CA. as Western District Supt.,
where would he be today?
.
The key is the Resolution on the organizational level. As far as WD that I Believe is in the process of being split into North and South.
If nothing changed on the organizational level yes he would had still been part of WPF. Again this is my feeling.
Dan’D
embonpoint
01-31-2008, 11:25 PM
I asked you a simple question.why don't you just answer it?
I not in competition with you over how long you've known NW.
If you've known him for 150 years,good for you.
again,here's the question i asked:
If NW would have won the election in CA. as Western District Supt.,
where would he be today?
.
If NW told you then why don't you tell DJ. If he didn't then what makes one man's speculation any better than another. We can all speculate to justify our own positions or deal with the facts we have.
Do you know the answer to your own question?
IBCrazier2
01-31-2008, 11:26 PM
Sorry guys, now I'm lost... What does STD means? Sounds like a disease...
South Texas District
PastorD
01-31-2008, 11:28 PM
Sorry guys, now I'm lost... What does STD means? Sounds like a disease...
STX....that is the abbreviation for South Texas District.
Dan'D
01-31-2008, 11:34 PM
I hope the move is worth it for NW... He is losing quite a few people... That 60,000 a month mortgage is going to be hard to pay..
That’s where I disagree. If the move you are referring to is the move to WPF I think once the dust is settled it will have the reverse effect.
At our church we have so many new people coming to our church because they are sick and tired of what they are seeing at there local church.
Our building project must go on the fast track because in very short time we will not have places for them to sit
Dan’D
Pastor G
01-31-2008, 11:37 PM
That’s where I disagree. If the move you are referring to is the move to WPF I think once the dust is settled it will have the reverse effect.
At our church we have so many new people coming to our church because they are sick and tired of what they are seeing at there local church.
Our building project must go on the fast track because in very short time we will not have places for them to sit
Dan’D
what church is that? so you have a lot of upc people coming over to your church?
Jericho
01-31-2008, 11:53 PM
If I recall correctly WM & JK were close in the elections and WM said he wouldn't run against his neighbor and withdrew his name before the second vote
Feel free to correct me if I am wrong .... my memory may have failed me.
As I recall, there was some question with the original count of votes. Bro.
JK was the one who requested his name to be withdrawn because he did not want any question as to the validity of an election. The conference verbally refused his request. JK was elected.
That being said, WM has always supported his elected leadership in his district.
IBCrazier2
02-01-2008, 12:04 AM
As I recall, there was some question with the original count of votes. Bro.
JK was the one who requested his name to be withdrawn because he did not want any question as to the validity of an election. The conference verbally refused his request. JK was elected.
That being said, WM has always supported his elected leadership in his district.
this is true
on the election ... I can't say for a fact either way ..... just remember discussing it at the time.
blueaugust
02-01-2008, 12:15 AM
South Texas District
STX....that is the abbreviation for South Texas District.
STX sounds better... We use to have an STD district here in the Philippines but made a resolution to change the name and the Acronym to make it sound better... :TulsaNO:
When did someone accuse WM of being power hungry? I don't recall anyone ever accusing him of this. Nor has anyone ever said he was not a good man of God. He is a good man - but he can be a little hot-headed at times. He has thrown out accusations that his neighboring pastors were too liberal and has refused fellowship with them other than at district meetings. Makes one wonder if he is afraid of proselyting. As far as I know, none of his neighboring brethren had any intention of stealing his saints.
I'm not surprised at all that he is joining the WPF. He'll be happier with them...
Apprehended
02-01-2008, 08:55 AM
Brother McClain is an honorable man for whom I have the highest respect and admiration.
Whole Hearted
02-01-2008, 10:19 AM
There is not a finer man in Pentecostal than WM. My dad went to school and graduated with WM and He will tell you that there is not a finer Christian in the world than WM and my dad was raised a good old Baptist.
pelathais
02-01-2008, 12:30 PM
That’s where I disagree. If the move you are referring to is the move to WPF I think once the dust is settled it will have the reverse effect.
At our church we have so many new people coming to our church because they are sick and tired of what they are seeing at there local church.
Our building project must go on the fast track because in very short time we will not have places for them to sit
Dan’D
Got pictures? That doesn't seem to even come close to what I've been seeing, but you're probably in a different part of the country.
Really though, Dandy? So many ex-UPCers are flooding into your church that you have to build a new building just to seat them all? So many folks who are "fed up" with the fact that the "ultra-con" juggernaut appears to have lost a little steam that they're walking out of the UPC churches in droves?
I'm certain that you're a very honest and sincere person, but I would like to gently challenge your assertion. I do so not because I disbelieve you- but I'd like to really see if that's the case somewhere.
AGAPE
02-01-2008, 12:42 PM
I never said my friends were "backslidden"...
I just wouldn't fellowship Life Tab...
Nahum
02-01-2008, 12:44 PM
Who is wAYNE mCcLAIN?
Should I know him?
TrmptPraise
02-01-2008, 12:54 PM
Got pictures? That doesn't seem to even come close to what I've been seeing, but you're probably in a different part of the country.
Really though, Dandy? So many ex-UPCers are flooding into your church that you have to build a new building just to seat them all? So many folks who are "fed up" with the fact that the "ultra-con" juggernaut appears to have lost a little steam that they're walking out of the UPC churches in droves?
I'm certain that you're a very honest and sincere person, but I would like to gently challenge your assertion. I do so not because I disbelieve you- but I'd like to really see if that's the case somewhere.
Be careful, Pelathais. You know how this went in another thread......:winkgrin
IBCrazier2
02-01-2008, 01:02 PM
Yes I do.
He ran for the DS of TX when JK was elected in the early 90's. He would have made good Supt, no doubt. My comment is simply a reflection on the fact that there are some who feel they have no opportunity in the UPC to lead.
I've known and have fellowshiped most of these men over the years. Love them all, but its not unusal for positions of leadership to effect people. Positions that they hold or fail to hold.
Who knows the heart? It seems that most of these men have held office or desired to hold office in the past. I think this whole thing is about power and control.
This new "fellowship" may afford them those opportunities.
Just my opinion.
When did someone accuse WM of being power hungry? I don't recall anyone ever accusing him of this. Nor has anyone ever said he was not a good man of God. He is a good man - but he can be a little hot-headed at times. He has thrown out accusations that his neighboring pastors were too liberal and has refused fellowship with them other than at district meetings. Makes one wonder if he is afraid of proselyting. As far as I know, none of his neighboring brethren had any intention of stealing his saints.
I'm not surprised at all that he is joining the WPF. He'll be happier with them...
accusation here?
I know of a neighboring pastor who, at a resteraunt after service, came to wm's youth and told them they needed to come to his church so they could have a real youth program .... sorry for the run on sentence
Fireside
02-01-2008, 01:58 PM
accusation here?
I know of a neighboring pastor who, at a resteraunt after service, came to wm's youth and told them they needed to come to his church so they could have a real youth program .... sorry for the run on sentence
Careful there.
A lot of things have gone on in the neighborhood there that would make some interesting discussion if it were reported. :)
That is, until it got deleted.
Pastor G
02-01-2008, 02:02 PM
Careful there.
A lot of things have gone on in the neighborhood there that would make some interesting discussion if it were reported. :)
That is, until it got deleted.
like what?
Careful there.
A lot of things have gone on in the neighborhood there that would make some interesting discussion if it were reported. :)
That is, until it got deleted.
I LIVED in the neighborhood...in fact right down the street from WM's church. It's a beautiful edifice and they are good people. Just more conservative than some. But it really bothered me that our friends from Texas Youth Camp weren't allowed to fellowship with us once we got home. That really ROTS when you're a kid. Had a hard time with that while I was growing up. Then the kids got attitudes toward us and it hurt.
That's the sad thing in this deal. Just like racial prejudice is taught and passed down from one generation to the next, there seems to be "holiness" prejudice too. I.E. We hold a higher standard so we can't soil ourselves by associating with those low-life heatherns over at Life Tab.
The folks at Life Tab are FAMILY to me...so it really bugs me that you would dis them...
Fireside
02-01-2008, 02:26 PM
I LIVED in the neighborhood...in fact right down the street from WM's church. It's a beautiful edifice and they are good people. Just more conservative than some. But it really bothered me that our friends from Texas Youth Camp weren't allowed to fellowship with us once we got home. That really ROTS when you're a kid. Had a hard time with that while I was growing up. Then the kids got attitudes toward us and it hurt.
That's the sad thing in this deal. Just like racial prejudice is taught and passed down from one generation to the next, there seems to be "holiness" prejudice too. I.E. We hold a higher standard so we can't soil ourselves by associating with those low-life heatherns over at Life Tab.
The folks at Life Tab are FAMILY to me...so it really bugs me that you would dis them...
I didn't dis anybody, and to be honest, it wasn't even LT I had in mind.
Pastor G
02-01-2008, 02:32 PM
I didn't dis anybody, and to be honest, it wasn't even LT I had in mind.
I know several in the area, who were you referring to?
pelathais
02-01-2008, 02:38 PM
Be careful, Pelathais. You know how this went in another thread......:winkgrin
Thanks TrmptPraise. But this time I said "gently." http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/images/icons/icon11.gif
Fireside
02-01-2008, 02:38 PM
I know several in the area, who were you referring to?
Look here, Sir--I am not stupid, and I am not going to get into a situation where names are named and mud is slung.
Pastor G
02-01-2008, 02:44 PM
Look here, Sir--I am not stupid, and I am not going to get into a situation where names are named and mud is slung.
Well then Sir, why make the comment of insinuation in the first place?
I didn't dis anybody, and to be honest, it wasn't even LT I had in mind.
Coon - I wasn't referring to you, dear brother. I was referring to that person who said he wouldn't fellowship Life Tab folks.
OUCH! That's my home church. Holiness Prejudice in action...sad...
Fireside
02-01-2008, 02:52 PM
Well then Sir, why make the comment of insinuation in the first place?
Chalk it up to poor judgment.
Pastor G
02-01-2008, 02:55 PM
Chalk it up to poor judgment.
I agree... Thanks.
Fireside
02-01-2008, 03:09 PM
I agree... Thanks.
You're welcome.
WM is very dear to me, and I can get pretty defensive where he is concerned.
Pastor G
02-01-2008, 03:13 PM
You're welcome.
WM is very dear to me, and I can get pretty defensive where he is concerned.
He is a great man and a fair man and I have nothing but good to say of him. Most certainly a precious man of God regardless of where he makes his home organizational wise... There are probably few in his league, integrity wise...
IBCrazier2
02-01-2008, 03:15 PM
He is a great man and a fair man and I have nothing but good to say of him. Most certainly a precious man of God regardless of where he makes his home organizational wise... There are probably few in his league, integrity wise...
Agreed
PastorD
02-01-2008, 03:16 PM
Why is everyone so defensive on this thread? I haven't read anyone calling WM's character into question. He is a wonderful man. I haven't seen one post to the contrary.
jbigg
02-02-2008, 09:02 AM
Why is everyone so defensive on this thread? I haven't read anyone calling WM's character into question. He is a wonderful man. I haven't seen one post to the contrary.
it happened when they got off topic........
Steve Epley
02-04-2008, 10:08 AM
Does he only have 100 members after all these years of labor?
Noah wound up with 8 and he labored much longer.
After all the miracles and ministry about 120 made it to the upper room.
Just a thought.:stirpot
Esther
02-04-2008, 10:23 AM
I never said my friends were "backslidden"...
I just wouldn't fellowship Life Tab...
Since this is my home church please be kind enough to tell me WHY you wouldn't fellowship my church???
Since this is my home church please be kind enough to tell me WHY you wouldn't fellowship my church???
I'd like to know the specifics here, too...
Whole Hearted
02-04-2008, 10:31 AM
It is really no one here business what WM does.
Steve Epley
02-04-2008, 10:41 AM
It is really no one here business what WM does.
Isn't that a novel thought???????????????????????????????:happydance: happydance
Pastor G
02-04-2008, 12:53 PM
Since this is my home church please be kind enough to tell me WHY you wouldn't fellowship my church???
I hope AGAPE doesn't mind that some people at LT know what he said and who he is, in person...
StMark
02-04-2008, 12:59 PM
Is WMs church in Pasadena or Houston ?
Esther
02-04-2008, 01:09 PM
Is WMs church in Pasadena or Houston ?
Pasadena
Esther
02-04-2008, 01:10 PM
I hope AGAPE doesn't mind that some people at LT know what he said and who he is, in person...
I do not know who Agape is nor where he is from. Do you?
StMark
02-04-2008, 01:11 PM
Pasadena
so esther, your church and WMs don't get along? why ?
Esther
02-04-2008, 01:13 PM
so esther, your church and WMs don't get along? why ?
As far as I know we get along with everyone. But I guess I must live in a bubble. :)
All I can say IF anyone doesn't get along with us, it isn't our pastors leading, it would have to be the others.
pelathais
02-04-2008, 01:14 PM
It is really no one here business what WM does.
Isn't that a novel thought???????????????????????????????:happydance: happydance
I disagree. Certainly there are many aspects of his life and ministry that would be private- in fact most things would probably be. But affiliating and disaffiliating a church, especially at a time like this, is news for public consumption.
I disagree. Certainly there are many aspects of his life and ministry that would be private- in fact most things would probably be. But affiliating and disaffiliating a church, especially at a time like this, is news for public consumption.
But wouldn't it be the business of that local church? News maybe, but not the business of anyone else?
Esther
02-04-2008, 01:23 PM
But wouldn't it be the business of that local church? News maybe, but not the business of anyone else?
Well IF we are all one family and one of our brothers is moving away, don't you think the "family" wants to know?
Well IF we are all one family and one of our brothers is moving away, don't you think the "family" wants to know?
Yes, that's news. But it's not for us to decide if the move was good or bad. That's their business.
pelathais
02-04-2008, 01:31 PM
Yes, that's news. But it's not for us to decide if the move was good or bad. That's their business.
Yes, but the purpose of sharing news is so that (hopefully!) wisdom can grow among us. By looking at the experiences of others we can learn from them. That's why you see the give and take, back and forth about what he did.
It's not like any of us imagine that we can (or should) go down to Pasadena and "fix" the situation. We're just trying to put ourselves in his shoes and put him in ours. Everybody's situation is a little bit different so the lessons learned (or not!) will all be a little different.
Yes, but the purpose of sharing news is so that (hopefully!) wisdom can grow among us. By looking at the experiences of others we can learn from them. That's why you see the give and take, back and forth about what he did.
It's not like any of us imagine that we can (or should) go down to Pasadena and "fix" the situation. We're just trying to put ourselves in his shoes and put him in ours. Everybody's situation is a little bit different so the lessons learned (or not!) will all be a little different.
I'm getting scared again cause I think we'll have to agree on that.
Hey want to borrow my 20x80s. They bring things in real close, might see a bear or something.
Is WMs church in Pasadena or Houston ?
PASA-GIT-DOWN-DENA, TEXAS!!!
Where I was born and raised!
:TulsaNO:
PASA-GIT-DOWN-DENA, TEXAS!!!
Where I was born and raised!
:TulsaNO:
Isn't Pasadena part of the Houston metro?
Whole Hearted
02-04-2008, 02:56 PM
I disagree. Certainly there are many aspects of his life and ministry that would be private- in fact most things would probably be. But affiliating and disaffiliating a church, especially at a time like this, is news for public consumption.
It is no one here business what Brother WM and his church does. It is their business and no one else's. Brother WM could probably care less what people here think.
It is no one here business what Brother WM and his church does. It is their business and no one else's. Brother WM could probably care less what people here think.
No doubt!
Discerner
02-04-2008, 04:09 PM
It is no one here business what Brother WM and his church does. It is their business and no one else's. Brother WM could probably care less what people here think. what does his wife think about it?
Pastor G
02-04-2008, 04:17 PM
It is no one here business what Brother WM and his church does. It is their business and no one else's. Brother WM could probably care less what people here think.
You mean he didn't call and get your advice?
Pastor G
02-04-2008, 04:21 PM
I do not know who Agape is nor where he is from. Do you?
yes
Whole Hearted
02-04-2008, 04:24 PM
You mean he didn't call and get your advice?
Sure didn't. And as much as I respect him I wouldn't call and ask him what to do with the church I pastor, of course we aren't affiliated.
Pastor G
02-04-2008, 04:32 PM
Sure didn't. And as much as I respect him I wouldn't call and ask him what to do with the church I pastor, of course we aren't affiliated.
Well, then you can make a quick exit... What's holding you back?
pelathais
02-04-2008, 04:53 PM
I'm getting scared again cause I think we'll have to agree on that.
Hey want to borrow my 20x80s. They bring things in real close, might see a bear or something.
LOL. I'd like to be looking at some racoon through a rifle scope but if I pulled the trigger around here they'd lock me up and resuscitate the racoon!
I'm convinced that racoons have either evolved into a sentient species or that they're aliens from another world sent here to disturb my garbage every Monday.
LOL. I'd like to be looking at some racoon through a rifle scope but if I pulled the trigger around here they'd lock me up and resuscitate the racoon!
I'm convinced that racoons have either evolved into a sentient species or that they're aliens from another world sent here to disturb my garbage every Monday.
:toofunny
Yep! Crazy world!
IBCrazier2
02-04-2008, 06:54 PM
Isn't Pasadena part of the Houston metro?
Pasadena .... the armpit of Texas
yes in the Houston Metro
Pasadena .... the armpit of Texas
yes in the Houston Metro
Why do you call it that?
:TulsaROCKS: :TulsaNO:
IBCrazier2
02-04-2008, 07:24 PM
Why do you call it that?
:TulsaROCKS: :TulsaNO:
It Stinks ... lol
It Stinks ... lol
From what?
IBCrazier2
02-04-2008, 07:29 PM
From what?
The refineries
The refineries
I know about that! I worked in one for 15 years in OK.
Pastor G
02-04-2008, 08:10 PM
The refineries
I am sure to those that live there, it smells like $$$$$$$ Money!!!
I am sure to those that live there, it smells like $$$$$$$ Money!!!
That's what I use to tell my wife.
Pastor G
02-04-2008, 08:20 PM
That's what I use to tell my wife.
Not to sound morbid, but with all the refineries it makes for a very dangerous place, as well as a terrorists target... Takes special people to work and live there, I am sure...
Not to sound morbid, but with all the refineries it makes for a very dangerous place, as well as a terrorists target... Takes special people to work and live there, I am sure...
Some of the units are very high pressure and tempreature. Other units have very dangerous acid. But yoiu get to all of that. I have been gone for several years.
I think it might be less dangerous than being a pastor in some places today. :toofunny
Pastor G
02-04-2008, 08:29 PM
Some of the units are very high pressure and tempreature. Other units have very dangerous acid. But yoiu get to all of that. I have been gone for several years.
I think it might be less dangerous than being a pastor in some places today. :toofunny
Sometimes I would rather work with phenol like i used to lol
Sometimes I would rather work with phenol like i used to lol
Remember when you thought you just had to get out there and preach? Now you wonder what was wrong with your mind! :stirpot :toofunny
:TulsaROCKS: :TulsaNO:
Wayne McClain was a close friend of my dads.
Attached find a newspaper listing for a revivial that I found on the internet.
Showing a revival with Wayne McClain.
It is very interesting what you can find on the internet.
We were never from California.
At that time in "74" we lived in Burlington, Ky as my dad evangelized.
We then when on to Jackson, MS
Then Ft Worth, TX
Then to Cincinnati, Ohio.
In March of 1978 Wayne McClain was one of the speakers at my dads funeral.
My dad was only 43..
neckstadt
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bdunning
02-05-2008, 07:05 PM
I seem to remember someone on here saying that he did not give his approval for his name to be on the board.
YET, he went to the meeting and now leaving the organization.
Huummm is all I'm going to say.
Not true. He gave consent. I asked him myself.
bdunning
02-05-2008, 07:13 PM
I was at both meetings you mention and I don't remember him pulling down against JK... In fact I distinctly remember a friend of his walking by him after JK was elected and shrugging his shoulders.
And I don't remember his name being read as one of the top 3 in STX election..
I was with WM at STD election. He did pull his name.
IBCrazier2
02-05-2008, 08:16 PM
Not true. He gave consent. I asked him myself.
Are you joining the WWPF?
Well, I just got off the phone with him and he said he was for sure gonna get in there and make some changes and we had all better just HUSH!
bdunning
02-06-2008, 03:37 PM
Are you joining the WWPF?
Nope
bdunning
02-11-2008, 07:03 PM
Well, I just got off the phone with him and he said he was for sure gonna get in there and make some changes and we had all better just HUSH!
Got off the phone with who, Wayne McClain? I doubt that....
chosenbyone
02-11-2008, 08:01 PM
Got off the phone with who, Wayne McClain? I doubt that....
Why would you doubt that?
StMark
02-11-2008, 08:18 PM
Got off the phone with who, Wayne McClain? I doubt that....
I wouldn't be so sure about that. she's related to him!!!
I wouldn't be so sure about that. she's related to him!!!
Yup. I think ole bd must not realize Dora's blue blood UPC heritage even if she is a "gone charismatic" bobbed haired woman herself.
chosenbyone
02-11-2008, 09:06 PM
Yup. I think ole bd must not realize Dora's blue blood UPC heritage even if she is a "gone charismatic" bobbed haired woman herself.
After I read BD's post, I thought he really was setting himself up for sure...you guys let him off too easy. Oh, well!!!
StMark
02-11-2008, 09:08 PM
After I read BD's post, I thought he really was setting himself up for sure...you guys let him off too easy. Oh, well!!!
well go ahead and let him have it CB1. you've told me off more than once so I know you are well capable :happydance
I'm related to WM, but I didn't actually give him a call...I was just kidding around. Can't believe some of you people don't get my sense of humor. LOL!
StMark
02-11-2008, 09:27 PM
I'm related to WM, but I didn't actually give him a call...I was just kidding around. Can't believe some of you people don't get my sense of humor. LOL!
well go on and call him and report back to us :happydance
bdunning
02-12-2008, 08:30 PM
I'm related to WM, but I didn't actually give him a call...I was just kidding around. Can't believe some of you people don't get my sense of humor. LOL!
That's why I said I doubt it. After reading Doras post I asked the McClains if any had talked to her. So go ahead, let me have it. :boxing:lol
bdunning
02-12-2008, 08:31 PM
FTR Wayne McClain is disaffiliating his church, but has no plans to leave the UPC.
That's why I said I doubt it. After reading Doras post I asked the McClains if any had talked to her. So go ahead, let me have it. :boxing:lol
So you went and asked them whether or not I had called them about the dissafiliating thing....Good Grief!
I wouldn't bother them with this stuff...are you kidding??? UGH!!!
bdunning
02-12-2008, 10:07 PM
So you went and asked them whether or not I had called them about the dissafiliating thing....Good Grief!
I wouldn't bother them with this stuff...are you kidding??? UGH!!!
Not actually, someone from this forum, sent them a hard copy of this thread. While I was speaking to them about other things, they mentioned seeing my posts about this. I then asked if Dora had called. You're right about one thing, they really don't need to be bothered with this stuff.
BTW how are you related?
Jekyll
02-12-2008, 10:29 PM
It is very strange., Anybody who realty knows Bro McClain will say you would not find a better man of God.
Anyone who knows the Tulsa 6 will always tell you could not find better men.
I bet none of you personally know anything negative about any of these men yet you can criticize there action, call them names. They see something you don’t.
As time goes you are going to find a lot more Bro McCain’s out there that will become part of World Wide Pentecostal Fellowship.
After a year or so when the dust settles you are going to be shocked.
Dan’D
Bro,
The people doing this aren't interested in the truth. They don't care to be shocked, and they really don't care what the WWPF is doing. They are just content to be typing froth about something of which they know nothing and furthermore care not to know anything about.
Jekyll
02-12-2008, 10:38 PM
I disagree. Certainly there are many aspects of his life and ministry that would be private- in fact most things would probably be. But affiliating and disaffiliating a church, especially at a time like this, is news for public consumption.
Especially for those who have left the UPC long previous to the events of last October.
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