PPH to discontinue sales of WPF authors

[Thumper]

It has been rumored that the PPH will be discontinuing the sale of materials by authors leaving the UPC and now part of the WPF

What say ye

[MissBrattified]

It has been rumored that the PPH will be discontinuing the sale of materials by authors leaving the UPC and now part of the WPF

What say ye

I say that is a fair consequence of their decision, and if true, hopefully those authors will offer their books for sale elsewhere.

[Digging4Truth]

Wow... Not impressed.

Do they still sell "The Godhead" & "Rightly Dividing The Word" Bible Studies?

[IAintMovin]

It has been rumored that the PPH will be discontinuing the sale of materials by authors leaving the UPC and now part of the WPF

What say ye

Key word here...........Rumored..........this is so Thad like..........give me a break....

Who really cares anyway.......

[Consapostolic1]

That's stupid if they discontinue the sell of WPF authors due to the fact that they sell products produced by none apostolic authors.

[Ferd]

oh my. Thumper likened to the infamous Thad.

that is no way to get Thump to post more!

[Mrs. LPW]

It has been rumored that the PPH will be discontinuing the sale of materials by authors leaving the UPC and now part of the WPF

What say ye

:ohplease
:)

[DividedThigh]

oh did i miss something, who cares, lol,dt:tvhappy

[Felicity]

It has been rumored that the PPH will be discontinuing the sale of materials by authors leaving the UPC and now part of the WPF

What say yeHey Thumper! How's it going?

Here's what I say ...... 3 words .....



DUMB DUMB DUMB :thumbsup


:)

[The Mrs]

You forgot to add the ??? at the end of your thread title! :laffatu

[Felicity]

Key word here...........Rumored..........this is so Thad like..........give me a break....

Who really cares anyway.......I care!

The fact that this happened with the exodus that happened post AS resolution adoption lends support to the idea that books authored by WPF members might be removed.

I think it's really dumb. It's like cutting off the nose to spite the face. :thumbsdown

[RevBuddy]

Now, Felicity...you know VERY WELL some faces would look a lot nicer WITHOUT the nose... :happydance

[chseeads]

Now, Felicity...you know VERY WELL some faces would look a lot nicer WITHOUT the nose... :happydance

Thad's for example....the nose job did wonders for him.

[Felicity]

Thad's for example....the nose job did wonders for him.
:heeheehee

[IAintMovin]

I care!

The fact that this happened with the exodus that happened post AS resolution adoption lends support to the idea that books authored by WPF members might be removed.

I think it's really dumb. It's like cutting off the nose to spite the face. :thumbsdown

I dont see it happening....I mean you got PPH selling Jakes and everything else........

Plus if it pulled all the authors and writers that have joined the WPF the inventory might go down ....what...... .0000003% ..............no deal at all in my book........

[Felicity]

I dont see it happening....I mean you got PPH selling Jakes and everything else........

Plus if it pulled all the authors and writers that have joined the WPF the inventory might go down ....what...... .0000003% ..............no deal at all in my book........But Bro. IAM....

It happened back in the 90s. I think it was so stupid to pull books authored by respected men whose teaching and theology had been touted as expert. Then they left the UPC and the books were pulled immediately.

Sad that. I truly hope they don't make the same mistake again.

[Felicity]

I mean you got PPH selling Jakes and everything else........And that's what's so weird. They sell books by men whose theology we don't espouse and wouldn't go to hear preach, but pull books by respected UPCI preachers, teachers and authors. Doesn't make any sense.

In my opinion. :)

[Esther]

It is a bad business move if they do.

IF that is their decision then they would need to sell ONLY UPC authors books.

JMO

[Felicity]

Now, Felicity...you know VERY WELL some faces would look a lot nicer WITHOUT the nose... :happydanceWell ....... we get what we get I guess. :nutso

[Thumper]

Key word here...........Rumored..........this is so Thad like..........give me a break....

Who really cares anyway.......

Call me Thad then if it makes you feel any better. I tried my very best to be accurate in what I posted, I used the word rumored. I can't say I know this for certain as I was not invited to the last PPH board meeting. However, this is what I have heard from a couple of people who may know and there is pressident for such a move to take place based on actions taken previously by the PPH.

If you don't care you are more the welcome to peruse other threads. I wasn't aware that IAM interest is a prerequisite for thread starting

[deacon blues]

I wonder if they will sell Bible Quizzing materials to these folks? Sell their books I say, if they have any reputation left among the UPC, they won't sell much anyway. I still haven't purchased that "What a Difference A Letter Writing Campaign Makes" by Larry Booker.:)

[Mr. Steinway]

I wonder if they will sell Bible Quizzing materials to these folks? Sell their books I say, if they have any reputation left among the UPC, they won't sell much anyway. I still haven't purchased that "What a Difference A Letter Writing Campaign Makes" by Larry Booker.:)
How about the book, "How to get Your Way, One Way or Another!" by NW?

[TrmptPraise]

The Apostolic's Guide to Branson: Top 10 Attractions.

Revised:2009 The Apostilic's Guide to Branson: Top 2 Acceptable Attractions

[Thumper]

That's stupid if they discontinue the sell of WPF authors due to the fact that they sell products produced by none apostolic authors.

That was my initial thought also however they (being PPH) seem to draw a distinction between authors who were once part of the UPC vs. those who have never been in the UPC particularily if they are of a liberal persuasion (ie. TD Jakes) or never known the apostolic way (ala Rick Warrem)

However if the a conservative leaves the great mothership he is anathama. I cite as an example the general conference of the UPCi.

You can buy every message ever preached at a UPC General coference dating way way back.

Listed below are the messages available for purchase from the 1964 General Conference.

General Conference 1964 H. L. Goodin | Media Missions | 16040
A Great Cloud of Witnesses
Language: E
Regular Price: $5.00 [CASS]

General Conference 1964 Orin Gleason | Media Missions | 15086
The Bride Hath Made Herself Ready
Language: E
Regular Price: $5.00 [CASS]

General Conference 1964 A. T. Morgan | Media Missions | 16039
The Uncharted Course
Language: E
Regular Price: $5.00 [CASS]

General Conference 1964 Nathaniel A. Urs | Media Missions | 16041
The Treasures of God
Language: E
Regular Price: $5.00 [CASS]

General Conference 1964 A. H. Browning | Media Missions | 16038
Revealing Christ In Us
Language: E
Regular Price: $5.00 [CASS]

General Conference 1964 T. W. Barnes | Media Missions | 15087
An Apostolic Ministry
Language: E
Regular Price: $5.00 [CASS]

Strangely absent from the above list is "The Hand Writing Is On The Wall" preached at this conference by Elder Carl Ballestero. While I wasn't there at that confernce in 1964 to verify that this message was in fact preached, I do have a CD of it verifying that it was in fact preached. (The preceding sentence was for IAM's benefit) Unquestionably this message would be the most famous if added to the list of all those above. Did somebody steal the original? Was it's preaching unacceptable to the current power brokers within the UPC? Or is it that Elder Ballestero was instrumental in the formation of another Group.

[Thumper]

oh my. Thumper likened to the infamous Thad.

that is no way to get Thump to post more!


Good to see you Ferd. Can you believe that I have almost completely given up coffee drinking?

[Thumper]

oh did i miss something, who cares, lol,dt:tvhappy

Apparently not you or IAM

[Thumper]

Hey Thumper! How's it going?

Here's what I say ...... 3 words .....



DUMB DUMB DUMB :thumbsup


:)

s'all good

[Thumper]

I care!

The fact that this happened with the exodus that happened post AS resolution adoption lends support to the idea that books authored by WPF members might be removed.

I think it's really dumb. It's like cutting off the nose to spite the face. :thumbsdown

True, I never even considered that exodus. Someone who knows the names of prolific authors who left because of the AS and post 92 should check PPH for there titles. All I can think of at the moment off the top of my head was Bro. Sabin and there is nothing listed currently on the PPH website by him. Apparently his teaching on the Godhead are no longer in vogue.

[Thumper]

I dont see it happening....I mean you got PPH selling Jakes and everything else........

Plus if it pulled all the authors and writers that have joined the WPF the inventory might go down ....what...... .0000003% ..............no deal at all in my book........

I'm sure that the overall sales at PPH would go down very little at all with the removal of WPF authors from their shelves. All they would need to do i promote a few more trinitarians and they wouldn't lose a dime in revenue. Dont fear IAM all will be well

[freeatlast]

It sounds like something they (PPH) would be small minded enough to do.

[dizzyde]

It sounds like something they (PPH) would be small minded enough to do.

By "they", you mean everyone who works at the Publishing House? You know all of these people personally? Every one of the people who work there are small minded?

Im sorry, but that statement in and of itself is very small-minded.

I have no idea whether they will or will not sell these products, don't to much care, other than it would seem a little absurd to me if they did discontinue them.

But to make a blanket statement like that?

[TrmptPraise]

By "they", you mean everyone who works at the Publishing House? You know all of these people personally? Every one of the people who work there are small minded?

Im sorry, but that statement in and of itself is very small-minded.

I have no idea whether they will or will not sell these products, don't to much care, other than it would seem a little absurd to me if they did discontinue them.

But to make a blanket statement like that?


Very true. I happen to fellowship with some of the editors over there. Such a statement has no feasible productive purpose and holds little merit if any.

[Ron]

Hey T humper hows it going?

My beef with the PPH is the 30% add on to ship to Canada.
With a Dollar @ par or better--there is no need for it!!

JMHO

[Thumper]

Hey T humper hows it going?

My beef with the PPH is the 30% add on to ship to Canada.
With a Dollar @ par or better--there is no need for it!!

JMHO


Now thats a whole different thread

:)

[PastorD]

It is a bad business move if they do.

IF that is their decision then they would need to sell ONLY UPC authors books.

JMO

It's not like we're talking about a Fortune 500 Company here anyway.

:stirpot

[rgcraig]

It's not like we're talking about a Fortune 500 Company here anyway.

:stirpot

:toofunny:stirpot:toofunny

[George]

I heard they are going to stop selling all authors - - - - -because they are closing before they go belly up.

[AGAPE]

Hey Thumper....

I tried to get Elder Ballestero's message from Harvestime from PPH....but they didn't have it....

I did get it from some conservative source...

I have an Harvestime ad from the 80's where it list "all messages" preached at General Conf...it does not list Elder Ballestero's message


What about the Westburg tapes??? The Bean tapes??? What about the Treece books???

And IF Apostolics are the main customers of PPH why in the world do they sale Rick Warren

[Nahum]

It has been rumored that the PPH will be discontinuing the sale of materials by authors leaving the UPC and now part of the WPF

What say ye

I will check in to this.

This would not be a first.

Through the years different Oneness authors, even within the fellowship, have been banned from PPH's shelves.

At one time Tommy Tenney and Morton Bustard were off limits. Elder Reynolds was off-limits for a while as well -even though he was UPC.

The first two were removed because of the publisher they chose to use, and it's Charismatic leanings. The last one was removed for purely political reasons at the command of NA Urshan.

Amazingly, Bro Smith (the preterist) still has his "Rightly Dividing" material on the shelves of PPH.

It would be wise to note that most of these decisions do not originate in the office of the PPH Administrator (as he is virtually powerless). These decisions come from higher up.

The UPC has an Editorial and Publications Committee that determines such things.

[Nahum]

I heard they are going to stop selling all authors - - - - -because they are closing before they go belly up.

PPH is definitely in huge financial distress.

[Hoovie]

But Bro. IAM....

It happened back in the 90s. I think it was so stupid to pull books authored by respected men whose teaching and theology had been touted as expert. Then they left the UPC and the books were pulled immediately.

Sad that. I truly hope they don't make the same mistake again.

Felicity, can you give a few examples of this?

[Markus]

It has been rumored that the PPH will be discontinuing the sale of materials by authors leaving the UPC and now part of the WPF

What say ye

That would tell what spirit they really have considering they continue to sell books by authors that are not even Apostolic.

[jrLA]

I am not sure how I feel about this. It is true that PPH sells other books that aren't written by UPC authors. So, why would they pull the WPF's books? I don't agree with the Tulsa Tango mess, but to pull their books, I am not in favor of that either.

[Pastor G]

they may not sell people's stuff that leaves them... do they sell tommy tenneys stuff?

[jrLA]

they may not sell people's stuff that leaves them... do they sell tommy tenneys stuff?

No they do not.....point taken!:TulsaNO:

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

That would tell what spirit they really have considering they continue to sell books by authors that are not even Apostolic.

If Macy's only sold Army Surplus Cots from the Korean War, would you consider it wrong if the Army Surplus was removed.

Cutting budgets means that PPH needs to sell what moves, not what is only popular. Quick dollars lost to online sites like Amazon and CBD mean our local Bible Book Store is closing as soon as they are out of inventory, meaning about next week at the latest. PPH needs some quick dollars.

Simple business decisions are not always that hard to figure out. If PPH had changed a while back and made decisions like a business, they may not be facing a deficit.

[lovinglife]

That was my initial thought also however they (being PPH) seem to draw a distinction between authors who were once part of the UPC vs. those who have never been in the UPC particularily if they are of a liberal persuasion (ie. TD Jakes) or never known the apostolic way (ala Rick Warrem)

However if the a conservative leaves the great mothership he is anathama. I cite as an example the general conference of the UPCi.

You can buy every message ever preached at a UPC General coference dating way way back.

Listed below are the messages available for purchase from the 1964 General Conference.

General Conference 1964 H. L. Goodin | Media Missions | 16040
A Great Cloud of Witnesses
Language: E
Regular Price: $5.00 [CASS]

General Conference 1964 Orin Gleason | Media Missions | 15086
The Bride Hath Made Herself Ready
Language: E
Regular Price: $5.00 [CASS]

General Conference 1964 A. T. Morgan | Media Missions | 16039
The Uncharted Course
Language: E
Regular Price: $5.00 [CASS]

General Conference 1964 Nathaniel A. Urs | Media Missions | 16041
The Treasures of God
Language: E
Regular Price: $5.00 [CASS]

General Conference 1964 A. H. Browning | Media Missions | 16038
Revealing Christ In Us
Language: E
Regular Price: $5.00 [CASS]

General Conference 1964 T. W. Barnes | Media Missions | 15087
An Apostolic Ministry
Language: E
Regular Price: $5.00 [CASS]

Strangely absent from the above list is "The Hand Writing Is On The Wall" preached at this conference by Elder Carl Ballestero. While I wasn't there at that confernce in 1964 to verify that this message was in fact preached, I do have a CD of it verifying that it was in fact preached. (The preceding sentence was for IAM's benefit) Unquestionably this message would be the most famous if added to the list of all those above. Did somebody steal the original? Was it's preaching unacceptable to the current power brokers within the UPC? Or is it that Elder Ballestero was instrumental in the formation of another Group.

Here is a link to the Handwriting on the wall sermon....its really quiet on the last half of the message http://boomp3.com/m/6413f0def479

[AGAPE]

"you taught me"


I love when the Elder says that

[Esther]

It's not like we're talking about a Fortune 500 Company here anyway.

:stirpot

So true, so true.

[dizzyde]

I heard they are going to stop selling all authors - - - - -because they are closing before they go belly up.

Well, they just ordered a hundred books from us, so if that is true, I hope they pay up first. :hmmm :dunno

[Sister Alvear]

Time reveals lots of things...time will tell.

[Thumper]

Hey Thumper....

I tried to get Elder Ballestero's message from Harvestime from PPH....but they didn't have it....

I did get it from some conservative source...

I have an Harvestime ad from the 80's where it list "all messages" preached at General Conf...it does not list Elder Ballestero's message


What about the Westburg tapes??? The Bean tapes??? What about the Treece books???

And IF Apostolics are the main customers of PPH why in the world do they sale Rick Warren

Back about 4 or 5 years ago I called Harvestime and attempted to purchase this message from them. After an initial 'dead silence' from the other end of the phone I was told I was told that that message not available any more. I asked why that was since all of the other message from that conference were still available. I was told that they couldn't sell it any more since the preacher was no longer UPC. Oddly enough if you go through the list of messages preached at general conference that are available for sale you will find a sprinkling people who are no longer UPCi. Apparently, not all nonUPC preacher are being censored.

[Thumper]

I will check in to this.

This would not be a first.

Through the years different Oneness authors, even within the fellowship, have been banned from PPH's shelves.

At one time Tommy Tenney and Morton Bustard were off limits. Elder Reynolds was off-limits for a while as well -even though he was UPC.

The first two were removed because of the publisher they chose to use, and it's Charismatic leanings. The last one was removed for purely political reasons at the command of NA Urshan.

Amazingly, Bro Smith (the preterist) still has his "Rightly Dividing" material on the shelves of PPH.

It would be wise to note that most of these decisions do not originate in the office of the PPH Administrator (as he is virtually powerless). These decisions come from higher up.

The UPC has an Editorial and Publications Committee that determines such things.

I have no doubt that these decisions are made a little farther up the food chain than the office of the administrator.

By the way, which Reynolds was it that was banned by Urshan?

[lovinglife]

I have no doubt that these decisions are made a little farther up the food chain than the office of the administrator.

By the way, which Reynolds was it that was banned by Urshan?

was that bro reynolds from san diego

[Ron]

I have no doubt that these decisions are made a little farther up the food chain than the office of the administrator.

By the way, which Reynolds was it that was banned by Urshan?

I think it may have been the book "The Cry Of The Unborn" a little controversial if I remember correctly.

Ralph Reynolds wrote it.

[Thumper]

I think it may have been the book "The Cry Of The Unborn" a little controversial if I remember correctly.

Ralph Reynolds wrote it.

I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that that book was available through PPH at one point. I'm not sure that it is anymore but I'm sure I saw it in one of the catelogs at some point. I remember being surprised by seeing it there.?

[mfblume]

It is a bad business move if they do.

IF that is their decision then they would need to sell ONLY UPC authors books.

JMO

PPH sells books by Swindoll and many others outside the UPC. So if they quit selling these ex-upc people's books, it will appear as being very vengeful and hypocritical.

[lovinglife]

I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that that book was available through PPH at one point. I'm not sure that it is anymore but I'm sure I saw it in one of the catelogs at some point. I remember being surprised by seeing it there.?

what was controversial about that book?

[Thumper]

what was controversial about that book?

It was false doctrine. It purported what is commonly referred to as "light doctrine"

[lovinglife]

It was false doctrine. It purported what is commonly referred to as "light doctrine"

ahhh I see......

[Thumper]

ahhh I see......

that being said we don't know for certain that that is reynolds that PP is refering to in his original post.

[mfblume]

I think it may have been the book "The Cry Of The Unborn" a little controversial if I remember correctly.

Ralph Reynolds wrote it.

That was the book where Reynolds compared someone not BORN AGAIN by water and Spirit with an unborn baby. A law from the O.T said that if an unborn baby died as the result of two men striving and fighting, and hurting a nearby pregnant woman by accident, since the eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth law existed, the unborn baby's LIFE was considered equal to an adult LIFE. So LIFE FOR LIFE.

Reynolds applied that to those who are obviously influenced by God and are trying to serve Him, but are not born again yet. He said that if the physical unborn child is equal in value to an adult life, then God considers someone not yet Spirit baptized nor Water baptized (born) to be equal to someone who was born again.

He likened someone who is not yet Spirit filled and water baptized to the status of a fetus in the womb, and therefore, alive to an extent.

[lovinglife]

that being said we don't know for certain that that is reynolds that PP is refering to in his original post.

Ralph Reynolds is the person i was thinking about from San Diego

[Thumper]

Ralph Reynolds is the person i was thinking about. I didnt know if there were two by that name.

There is four that I know of that have authored books Ralph, his son Paul, his son David and another unrelated one in socal

[Ron]

Ralph Reynolds is the person i was thinking about from San Diego

Ralph Reynolds preached his last revival for us in early 2002. A week later he passed away.

[mfblume]

Ralph Reynolds was known to be very lovable and open minded, whereas Paul Reynolds is known to be far stricter and far more standards-oriented.

[Thumper]

Ralph Reynolds was known to be very lovable and open minded, whereas Paul Reynolds is known to be far stricter and far more standards-oriented.


No comment

:)

[lovinglife]

Ralph Reynolds was known to be very lovable and open minded, whereas Paul Reynolds is known to be far stricter and far more standards-oriented.

I attended church in Merced Califorinia and Ralph Reynolds wife and son attended also, they were very nice people......I never got to meet Ralph Reynolds though

[dizzyde]

I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that that book was available through PPH at one point. I'm not sure that it is anymore but I'm sure I saw it in one of the catelogs at some point. I remember being surprised by seeing it there.?

I do know that just because something isn't carried anymore, it doesn't mean that it was "pulled".

If something isn't selling, they will just discontinue carrying it.

[RandyWayne]

Anything that PPH stops carrying can probably still be picked up by Amazon.com -which would have a MUCH larger audience.

[ReformedDave]

Ralph Reynolds is the person i was thinking about from San Diego

I don't think was Ralph Reynolds but Lemond Reynolds.

[lovinglife]

I don't think was Ralph Reynolds but Lemond Reynolds.

oh your right ...now dont i feel stupid it was lemond reynolds wife and son i was thinking about. I dont know where i got ralph from:huh:huh.......