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JaneEyre
02-01-2008, 03:29 PM
Ann Coulter says she will support Hillary if John McCain is the Republican nominee.

Also, Huckabee is supposed to be on Hannity and Colmes tonight. There have been some problems between them.

Rush Limbaugh is totally not in favor of McCain and Hannity does not care for him either. If you look at his record, IS he really a Conservative?


Coulter: I'll campaign for Hillary if McCain is the nominee
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Not sure I did the YouTube correctly.

Pressing-On
02-01-2008, 03:34 PM
Hannity has done a little back tracking on the issue. Totally hilarious.



GOP TO EDWARDS: HOW MUCH FOR THAT CONCESSION SPEECH?
by Ann Coulter
January 30, 2008

The Democrats are trying to give away an election they should win in a walk by nominating someone with real problems -- like, for example, a first-term senator with a 100 percent rating from Americans for Democratic Action and whose middle name is "Hussein."

But we won't let them.

The bright side of the Florida debacle is that I no longer fear Hillary Clinton. (I mean in terms of her becoming president -- on a personal level, she's still a little creepy.) I'd rather deal with President Hillary than with President McCain. With Hillary, we'll get the same ruinous liberal policies with none of the responsibility.

Also, McCain lies a lot, which is really more a specialty of the Democrats.

Recently, McCain responded to Mitt Romney's statement that he understood the economy based on his many years in the private sector by claiming Romney had said a military career is not a "real job."

McCain's neurotic boast that he is the only Republican who supported the surge is beginning to sound as insane as Bill Clinton's claim to being the "first black president" -- although less insulting to blacks. As with the Clintons, you find yourself looking up such tedious facts as this, which ran a week after Bush announced the surge:

"On the morning of Bush's address, Romney endorsed a troop surge." -- The National Journal, Jan. 13, 2007

And yet for the 4 billionth time, at the Jan. 5, 2008, Republican debate, McCain bragged about his own raw courage in supporting the surge despite (apocryphal) Republican attacks, saying: "I said at the time that Gen. Petraeus and his strategy must be employed, and I was criticized by Republicans at that time. And that was a low point, but I stuck to it. I didn't change."

A review of contemporaneous news stories about the surge clearly demonstrates that the only Republicans who were so much as "skeptical" of the surge consisted of a few oddball liberal Republicans such as Sens. Gordon Smith, Norm Coleman and Olympia Snowe.

They certainly weren't attacking McCain, their standard-bearer in liberal Republicanism. But even if they were, it was a "low point" for McCain being "criticized" by the likes of Olympia Snowe?

In point of fact, McCain didn't even stand up to the milquetoasts. In April 2007, when Democrats in the Senate passed a bill funding the troops but also requiring a rapid withdrawal, "moderate" Republicans Smith and Chuck Hagel voted with the Democrats. McCain and Lindsey Graham skipped the vote.

But like the Democrats, McCain thinks if he simply says something over and over again, he can make people believe it's true. Thus again at the South Carolina debate on Jan. 10, McCain was proclaiming that he was "the only one on this stage" who supported the surge.

Since he would deny it about two minutes later, here is exactly what Mr. Straight Talk said about the surge: "I supported that; I argued for it. I'm the only one on this stage that did. And I condemn the Rumsfeld strategy before that."

The next question went to Giuliani and -- amid great flattery -- Giuliani noted that he also supported Bush's surge "the night of the president's speech."

Mr. Straight Talk contradicted Giuliani, saying: "Not at the time."

Again, Giuliani said: "The night of the president's speech, I was on television. I supported the surge. I've supported it throughout."

To which McCain finally said he didn't mean that he was "the only one on this stage" who supported the surge. So by "the only one on this stage," McCain really meant, "one of several people on this stage." OK, great. Now tell us your definition of the word "is," Senator.

I know Republicans have been trained not to go prostrate at Ivy League degrees, but do we have to admire stupidity?

Mr. Straight Talk also announced at that same debate: "One of the reasons why I won in New Hampshire is because I went there and told them the truth." That and the fact that Democrats were allowed to vote in the Republican primary.

Even in the Florida primary, allegedly limited to Republicans, McCain lost among Republicans. (Seventeen percent of the Republican primary voters in Florida called themselves "Independents.")

That helps, but why would any Republican vote for McCain?

At least under President Hillary, Republicans in Congress would know that they're supposed to fight back. When President McCain proposes the same ideas -- tax hikes, liberal judges and Social Security for illegals -- Republicans in Congress will support "our" president -- just as they supported, if only briefly, Bush's great ideas on amnesty and Harriet Miers.

You need little flags like that for Republicans since, as we know from the recent unpleasantness in Florida, Republicans are unalterably stupid.

Republicans who vote for McCain are trying to be cute, like the Democrats were four years ago by voting for the "pragmatic" candidate, Vietnam vet John Kerry. This will turn out to be precisely as clever a gambit as nominating Kerry was, the brilliance of which was revealed on Election Day 2004.

http://www.anncoulter.com/

Michael Phelps
02-01-2008, 03:38 PM
Look for a McCain/Guiliani ticket.

JaneEyre
02-01-2008, 03:41 PM
Some thoughts from others:

It's official, the radio righties are deciding that Huckabee will split the conservative vote and cost Romney the nomination! Hannity was making the case against Huckabee continuing in the race. It will be interesting to listen to the backtracking that is going to occurr when McCain wins the nomination and Hannity and Rush have no other avenues of influence.

JaneEyre
02-01-2008, 03:43 PM
Look for a McCain/Guiliani ticket.

Some folks think that if McCain wins he will have to choose someone quite a bit more conservative than Guiliani to even bring out voters.

Michael Phelps
02-01-2008, 03:46 PM
Some folks think that if McCain wins he will have to choose someone quite a bit more conservative than Guiliani to even bring out voters.

Apparently, he was on one of the talk shows last night, and he and McCain were thicker than thieves........just a hunch on my part.

JaneEyre
02-01-2008, 03:49 PM
Apparently, he was on one of the talk shows last night, and he and McCain were thicker than thieves........just a hunch on my part.

Last night McCain was on the Tonight Show and then Rudy came in (after a few minutes of chat between McCain and Jay) at the mention of his name. It appeared that Rudy's appearance was unplanned. Jay Leno even seemed a little surprised (probably was just feigned).

Pressing-On
02-01-2008, 03:50 PM
Some folks think that if McCain wins he will have to choose someone quite a bit more conservative than Guiliani to even bring out voters.
Yes, Charlie Crist from Florida.

He can't win without a conservative running mate.

Pressing-On
02-01-2008, 03:51 PM
Some thoughts from others:

It's official, the radio righties are deciding that Huckabee will split the conservative vote and cost Romney the nomination! Hannity was making the case against Huckabee continuing in the race. It will be interesting to listen to the backtracking that is going to occurr when McCain wins the nomination and Hannity and Rush have no other avenues of influence.

That's what they want to do because they know that Romney isn't going to win.

Monkeyman
02-01-2008, 03:52 PM
Be ready to say these words.....ready???? President Obama....yup, get used to it. Weird huh? I thought so too.

Pressing-On
02-01-2008, 03:53 PM
Be ready to say these words.....ready???? President Obama....yup, get used to it. Weird huh? I thought so too.

I just don't think he has what people deem as enough global experience.

Pressing-On
02-01-2008, 03:54 PM
BTW, JE - Loved the segment!!!! I'm watching it again!!! I sometimes like Alan Combs - he's so awkard and weird - you just keep listening to him. lol

JaneEyre
02-01-2008, 03:54 PM
Yes, Charlie Crist from Florida.

He can't win without a conservative running mate.

Republicans are lining up now to endorse McCain as he is perceived as "a winner".... He got Arnold Schwarzenegger's endorsement. This may bring more "conservatives" out in the primaries to vote for Romney who by some standards is not so conservative either but probably more so than McCain.

Pressing-On
02-01-2008, 03:55 PM
Republicans are lining up now to endorse McCain as he is perceived as "a winner".... He got Arnold Schwarzenegger's endorsement. This may bring more "conservatives" out to vote for Romney who by some standards is not so conservative either but probably more so than McCain.
It's quite an election this go around!

MissBrattified
02-01-2008, 03:55 PM
I absolutely agree with AC. John McCain is an idiot. There are thousands of other men who have been "war heroes." If that's his only trump card (and it is), then he is the weakest candidate yet, and I am thoroughly disappointed that he is even on the ticket.

Monkeyman
02-01-2008, 03:56 PM
I just don't think he has what people deem as enough global experience.
Doesn't matter, he's got the charisma, good speech writers, and great delivery. That will be enough...shame!

MissBrattified
02-01-2008, 03:56 PM
Republicans are lining up now to endorse McCain as he is perceived as "a winner".... He got Arnold Schwarzenegger's endorsement. This may bring more "conservatives" out in the primaries to vote for Romney who by some standards is not so conservative either but probably more so than McCain.

McCain may be perceived as a winner in meaningless polls, but intelligent America is not going to vote for a fence rider.

Pressing-On
02-01-2008, 03:56 PM
Doesn't matter, he's got the charisma, good speech writers, and great delivery. That will be enough...shame!

I'm not so sure about that, BUT I would rather have him than Hillary any day, although I would never vote for him.

rgcraig
02-01-2008, 03:57 PM
I'm not so sure about that, BUT I would rather have him than Hillary any day, although I would never vote for him.

If he wins the nomination, a non-vote for him WOULD be a vote for Hillary!

Pressing-On
02-01-2008, 03:58 PM
McCain may be perceived as a winner in meaningless polls, but intelligent America is not going to vote for a fence rider.
I'll have to refrain from commenting too extensively on McCain. I'm still studying it out.

JaneEyre
02-01-2008, 03:58 PM
McCain may be perceived as a winner in meaningless polls, but intelligent America is not going to vote for a fence rider.

The political IQ in America is proportionately comparable to the "political correctness" that is now embraced by many.

Pressing-On
02-01-2008, 03:58 PM
If he wins the nomination, a non-vote for him WOULD be a vote for Hillary!
Totally! We don't want that. I vote my party, regardless.

JaneEyre
02-01-2008, 04:10 PM
BTW, JE - Loved the segment!!!! I'm watching it again!!! I sometimes like Alan Combs - he's so awkard and weird - you just keep listening to him. lol

Tomorrow or later today there will probably be postings on YouTube in regard to Mike Huckabee being on Hannity and Colmes tonight. Stay tuned.

Pressing-On
02-01-2008, 04:13 PM
Tomorrow or later today there will probably be postings on YouTube in regard to Mike Huckabee being on Hannity and Colmes tonight. Stay tuned.

LOL! I've never cared a bit for Huckabee. Seriously, and I will get stoned for it. I've always wanted Rudy to win. lol

Sister Alvear
02-01-2008, 04:13 PM
The early church voted in no elections...maybe our choice should be the same.

Pressing-On
02-01-2008, 04:15 PM
The early church voted in no elections...maybe our choice should be the same.

LOL! Not happening Sister Alvear. lol

JaneEyre
02-01-2008, 04:19 PM
LOL! I've never cared a bit for Huckabee. Seriously, and I will get stoned for it. I've always wanted Rudy to win. lol

If a man (Rudy) is so unethical in his personal life, how can he be trusted in his political life? At least Obama and Hillary have stayed with their spouses. That is commendable. Again, I may get stoned for those statements.

JaneEyre
02-01-2008, 04:30 PM
The early church voted in no elections...maybe our choice should be the same.

Please don't take this as being disrespectful.

If the early church people were here today, we cannot be so sure that they would get involved with elections. At the same time, we cannot be sure they would not be involved.

Some of them lived in the time of Julius Caesar who was declared "Dictator for Life". IF the Jews could have voted for someone less dictatorial, I think they probably would have voted. There were "elections" but it is speculated that many times they were "rigged" in the sense that mostly only the elite and wealthy were the voters...See the bolded area below....Thankfully, Poor Folk don't have to travel far today to vote and it is my thinking that all should exercise that right.


This is from Archibald Robertson, The Origins of Christianity, International Publishers, 1954, rev. ed. 1962.


CHAPTER IV
THE JEWS IN THE ROMAN EMPIRE

The Roman Empire was the most successful and lasting of the ancient experiments in imperialism. The Roman ruling class of wealthy nobles, who under the republic all but monopolized office and filled the senate, won their empire not by an attempt (which would have courted speedy catastrophe) to exploit whole countries to enrich a single city, but by linking their own interests (not without friction and struggle, but to a progressively greater and greater extent) with those of the ruling classes elsewhere.

This policy evolved from small beginnings by a snowball process. Rome owed her political rise in the fifth and fourth centuries B.C. to her leadership of other Latin cities first against the Etruscan power, then against the hill tribes of central Italy, then against Celtic invaders from the north who threatened to submerge them all. She consolidated her power by granting citizen rights in the Roman state to her Latin allies. Since only the richer Latins could travel to Rome to vote, this involved no danger to the Roman ruling class. Far from swamping them, it reinforced them against the Roman plebs, while Rome in return protected the rich Latins against the masses in their respective cities.

Sister Alvear
02-01-2008, 04:34 PM
I am not offended...that is just my opinion...

JaneEyre
02-01-2008, 04:35 PM
I am not offended...that is just my opinion...

Yes...Just my opinion, too..Love ya, Sis.

Sister Alvear
02-01-2008, 04:39 PM
Blessings to you too my friend. If I were a voting person who would I vote for?

JaneEyre
02-01-2008, 04:57 PM
Blessings to you too my friend. If I were a voting person who would I vote for?

You have to be fully persauded or at least partially persuaded in your own mind. I vote but I am not a campaigner for anyone ...LOL

Pressing-On
02-01-2008, 05:01 PM
If a man (Rudy) is so unethical in his personal life, how can he be trusted in his political life? At least Obama and Hillary have stayed with their spouses. That is commendable. Again, I may get stoned for those statements.

JE! Hillary's personal life? Are you kidding me? That has nothing, at all to do with Bill either! lol

Well, B. Hussein Obama - I don't think so.

OP_Carl
02-01-2008, 05:07 PM
I just don't think he has what people deem as enough global experience.

I'll take Obama's inexperience over Hillary's "experience" any day.

He's young and energetic enough to accomplish some serious on-the-job training.

The countless knife wounds in countless backs are America's shining testimonial to Mrs. Bill Clinton's chief experience: vicious attack of her opponents.

McCain will bring approximately the same amount of grief upon the nation as either Hillary or Obama, socialists both, but blame for all the ensuing problems will be placed on conservatives, which will make it that much longer before we have another Reagan revolution.

Pressing-On
02-01-2008, 05:11 PM
I'll take Obama's inexperience over Hillary's "experience" any day.

He's young and energetic enough to accomplish some serious on-the-job training.

The countless knife wounds in countless backs are America's shining testimonial to Mrs. Bill Clinton's chief experience: vicious attack of her opponents.

McCain will bring approximately the same amount of grief upon the nation as either Hillary or Obama, socialists both, but blame for all the ensuing problems will be placed on conservatives, which will make it that much longer before we have another Reagan revolution.
I have to agree with you on that point.

I'm hearing that if McCain gets it, he will be a one term president.

JaneEyre
02-01-2008, 05:19 PM
I'll take Obama's inexperience over Hillary's "experience" any day.

He's young and energetic enough to accomplish some serious on-the-job training.

The countless knife wounds in countless backs are America's shining testimonial to Mrs. Bill Clinton's chief experience: vicious attack of her opponents.

McCain will bring approximately the same amount of grief upon the nation as either Hillary or Obama, socialists both, but blame for all the ensuing problems will be placed on conservatives, which will make it that much longer before we have another Reagan revolution.

Does the praise by Obama's pastor for Louis Farrakhan concern anyone? It is true that Obama has distanced himself from his comments but THIS MAN IS STILL HIS PASTOR.
I could NEVER vote for Barak Obama and it's not because of his ethnicity. It is because of things like this below:

Obama’s mentor and pastor honors Louis Farrakhan Update: Gala video added Update: Obama respondsposted at 11:20 am on January 15, 2008 by Bryan

Barack Obama is a member of Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ. Its minister, and Obama’s spiritual adviser, is the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. In 1982, the church launched Trumpet Newsmagazine; Wright’s daughters serve as publisher and executive editor. Every year, the magazine makes awards in various categories. Last year, it gave the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award to a man it said “truly epitomized greatness.” That man is Louis Farrakhan.
Maybe for Wright and some others, Farrakhan “epitomized greatness.” For most Americans, though, Farrakhan epitomizes racism, particularly in the form of anti-Semitism. Over the years, he has compiled an awesome record of offensive statements, even denigrating the Holocaust by falsely attributing it to Jewish cooperation with Hitler — “They helped him get the Third Reich on the road.” His history is a rancid stew of lies.
Cohen goes on to build the case against Farrakhan, though he leaves out the Nation of Islam’s leader’s exploits in foreign policy. Farrakhan met with Libyan strongman Muammar Ghaddafi during the US-Libya warm war of the 1980s. Farrakhan has also repeatedly denounced the US as evil and issued a divine death sentence on the country. Farrakhan has also lauded Barack Obama’s candidacy for president. Farrakhan is one of the country’s most bizarre, most repulsive, most openly racist, most offensive public figures. Yet Obama’s minister lauded Farrakhan with an award for epitomizing “greatness.” What’s doubly strange about the Farrakhan award is that Obama’s is a Christian church. Why would a Christian church magazine laud a racist radical Muslim? It’s impossible to get past concluding that it did so because, while it disagrees with Farrakhan on religious matters, it agrees with him on political and racial matters and those agreements trump the religious disagreement.
Cohen argues that Obama hasn’t shown any evidence that he agrees with Wright’s views on Farrakhan and that’s true, but Obama has credited Rev. Wright as his mentor. Obama has also said that he and Wright disagree on some matters. Obama owes it to the country to clearly spell out whether and why he disagrees with Rev. Wright on Farrakhan. Doing so or not doing so will tell us much about the man Barack Obama and whether he is really as post-racial a figure as he claims to be.

The above can be found several places on the internet including:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/15/obamas-mentor-and-pastor-honors-louis-farrakhan/

OP_Carl
02-01-2008, 05:35 PM
I have to agree with you on that point.

I'm hearing that if McCain gets it, he will be a one term president.

IF he even lives until November. He may be a tough old bird, and his 95-year-old mama may be a testimony to his genetic predisposition for longevity, but those 7 years in the Hanoi Hilton easily took 20 years off his life. He's had a rough life.

If he's elected, I would not be surprised if he is incapable of serving his full four year term.

OP_Carl
02-01-2008, 05:42 PM
Does the praise by Obama's pastor for Louis Farrakhan concern anyone?

Back in the day, Farrakhan drew quite a following just on the strength of re-energizing responsible black men as a vanishing breed. Many black leaders jumped on the bandwagon before they realized just how much baggage was involved.

Thus far I have been COMPLETELY unimpressed with the attempts to make him out as a Muslim Trojan horse. It's all a fiction. He's not a Muslim; he wasn't trained in a madrassah. Ya'll need to cut back on the coffee. Everybody hears the name "Hussein" and dives for cover. There's no need to be so jumpy.

He's just a run-of-the-mill misguided socialist.

JaneEyre
02-01-2008, 05:54 PM
Back in the day, Farrakhan drew quite a following just on the strength of re-energizing responsible black men as a vanishing breed. Many black leaders jumped on the bandwagon before they realized just how much baggage was involved.

Thus far I have been COMPLETELY unimpressed with the attempts to make him out as a Muslim Trojan horse. It's all a fiction. He's not a Muslim; he wasn't trained in a madrassah. Ya'll need to cut back on the coffee. Everybody hears the name "Hussein" and dives for cover. There's no need to be so jumpy.

He's just a run-of-the-mill misguided socialist.

I am not saying he is a Muslim although he did attend a Muslim school in Indonesia for 2 years. I never mentioned his middle name "Hussein". I am not jumpy but I do love coffee. His mentor/pastor praised Louis Farrakhan. That is disturbing no matter how long ago it was. I mean no harm. :icecream

OP_Carl
02-01-2008, 06:00 PM
I am not saying he is a Muslim although he did attend a Muslim school in Indonesia for 2 years. I never mentioned his middle name "Hussein". I am not jumpy but I do love coffee. His mentor/pastor praised Louis Farrakhan. That is disturbing no matter how long ago it was.

Well I'm sorry you feel that way. I find McCain's track record to be far more disturbing. He could quite easily lead us down the primrose path to totalitarianism with the house and senate in slack-jawed apathetic agreement. The "faith-based presidency" of George W. Bush will seem a swimming success in comparison once you learn the sorts of things that McCain will pursue on faith.

If you can stomach it, I recommend that you buy a copy or two of Reason magazine, and of course National Review.

JaneEyre
02-01-2008, 06:04 PM
Well I'm sorry you feel that way. I find McCain's track record to be far more disturbing. He could quite easily lead us down the primrose path to totalitarianism with the house and senate in slack-jawed apathetic agreement. The "faith-based presidency" of George W. Bush will seem a swimming success in comparison once you learn the sorts of things that McCain will pursue on faith.

If you can stomach it, I recommend that you buy a copy or two of Reason magazine, and of course National Review.

If I've given you the impression that I am a McCain fan, let me tell you that you ARE mistaken. Most likely I've "lost" the early vote I've already cast. Who I vote for is a private matter, but I will tell you that it was NOT for McCain. I'm "almost persauded" as Ann Coulter has said to "vote for Hillary" in the general election if McCain is the candidate. Sometimes every choice is appalling. I have done my civic duty by attempting to get at least a semi-Conservative nominated.

TalkLady
02-01-2008, 07:27 PM
I just received this in an email:

Sean Hannity: "I'll tell you right now, and I've not announced this, but I will be voting for Mitt Romney in this campaign. It's the first time I've stated it publicly. I'll state it now." ("Sean Hannity Radio Show," 1/31/08.)

Pressing-On
02-01-2008, 07:53 PM
I agree with this article!

Why You're Going To Vote For John McCain In November And Like It!
By John Hawkins
Friday, February 1, 2008

Admittedly the title is a wee bit of an exaggeration. Did I say "wee bit?" I really meant a huge exaggeration. Okay, okay, the title is so over-the-top that I would only write it in a column, not say it in front of an audience of conservatives because people might start throwing garbage.

And let me tell you, I understand where people are coming from with McCain; I really do. That's why I created such seminal works of art as The Conservative Case Against John McCain In 2008, A Conservative Nightmare: Republican Nominee, John McCain, and John McCain: This guy? Really?, among many, many other brutal attacks on "Amnesty" John. On the bright side, I suppose that if he becomes President, no one can ever accuse me of refusing to criticize people on my own side, but on the other hand, that would mean John McCain would be the President of the United States. Shudder!

Wait, what was this column about again? Oh yes, why conservatives should vote for John McCain in 2008. Well, somebody had to write this column since it's looking more and more likely that McCain is going to be the nominee and it's better that it isn't one of the people who actually like him because a lot of the things that need to be said about Mr. "Straight Talk" aren't that pleasant.

The truth is that John McCain could have been fairly called a conservative at one time, but that is no longer an accurate designation for him. McCain is not just a squish or a RINO, he is a man who seems to take pleasure in publicly fighting against conservatives on issues of great import. That's why John McCain may become the de facto leader of the Republican Party if he's the nominee and the leader of the country if he's the President, but no matter how many times he calls himself a "conservative leader," the Right will accept him as the leader of the conservative movement about 5 minutes after hell freezes over and reopens as a ski lodge.

That being said, there's another side to the story that has to be told. For all of his flaws, and there are many of them, John McCain is far to the right of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Those of us on the Right tend to downplay that, because a betrayal by someone on our own side stings much more sharply than one from a Democrat, but it is something conservatives should be willing to admit.

It's also worth noting that these claims that McCain will destroy the conservative movement are unlikely to be true or alternately, if they are, then the conservative movement is probably too fragile to last any way. After all, if the liberal movement could survive Bill Clinton, a lying adulterer whose three greatest "accomplishments," welfare reform, NAFTA, and balancing the budget, were all near and dear to the hearts of conservatives, then we should be able to withstand McCain.

More to the point, although we cannot know exactly how things will play out, it's very easy to imagine a scenario where a McCain presidency would be very good for the country and for conservatism.

Don't think it sounds possible? Well, imagine this: John McCain selects Fred Thompson as his Vice-President and defeats Hillary Clinton in November. Although he has many negatives, McCain is a fiscal conservative and it's easy to see him balancing the budget, which would burnish the fiscal credentials of the Republican Party.

McCain would also hang in there in Iraq and insure that country is stable before we leave, which would help the American public regain confidence in the GOP on foreign policy again.

Next up is judges. John Paul Stevens is 87 years old. Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 74 and has had cancer. Does either of those two liberals make it through the next four years without retiring? That's no small issue, because the court is currently split with 4 conservatives, 4 liberals and a moderate. That means a number of important cases, including Roe v. Wade, will probably be decided once and for all by the Supreme Court appointments of the next President of the United States. May God forgive us if we condemn a million plus children a year to death by abortion because we're angry at John McCain.

Then there's immigration, where we know McCain is just dying to put the illegal immigrants in this country on a path to citizenship. However, he has pledged to secure the border before he does that. In all honesty, with the glacier-like speed that the federal government moves, there is zero chance that is going to be completed in the next four years. Yet, as security improves, more and more illegal aliens will leave the country on their own. So even though McCain's motives wouldn't be pure, enforcement by attrition would still occur during his first term and if conservatives hold McCain to his promise, it's very possible that he wouldn't be able to implement amnesty by 2012.

Of course, there are a lot of other non-conservative things that McCain would like to do but happily, as we all know, the Founding Fathers created a political system that moves slowly and is very prone to gridlock. That means it's possible that much of the rest of McCain's agenda would remain undone in his first term and it's entirely possible that McCain won't run again. He is, after all, almost 72 years old and as Chuck Norris so bluntly reminded us, the presidency does have a tendency to age a man well beyond his years.

So, think about where we could be: a balanced budget, the war in Iraq won, a conservative Supreme Court, border security increased, the Republican Party's reputation much improved, and McCain leaving office in 2012. Can you really tell me that sounds so bad?

Granted, that is a very rosy scenario, but it's also relatively plausible -- and what's our alternative? President Hillary Rodham Clinton or President Barack Obama, socialized medicine, losing the war in Iraq, allowing Al-Qaeda to run wild for 4 years, exploding deficits, huge tax increases, and a liberal leaning Supreme Court for the next decade.

Of course, some people think there might be a conservative resurgence in opposition to a Democratic President, but don't kid yourself; it's just as likely that a GOP defeat could turn us into a squabbling minority party that is out of power for years while the Left remakes this country in the image of Belgium.

Does that mean you should, "vote for John McCain in November and like it?" No, but it does mean, that if John McCain is the nominee, you should think very hard about holding your nose and voting for the viable candidate who would do the most good for our country.



John Hawkins is a professional blogger who runs Conservative Grapevine and Right Wing News.


http://www.townhall.com/columnists/JohnHawkins/2008/02/01/why_youre_going_to_vote_for_john_mccain_in_novembe r_and_like_it!

Michael The Disciple
02-01-2008, 11:08 PM
I agree with this article!

Why You're Going To Vote For John McCain In November And Like It!
By John Hawkins
Friday, February 1, 2008

Admittedly the title is a wee bit of an exaggeration. Did I say "wee bit?" I really meant a huge exaggeration. Okay, okay, the title is so over-the-top that I would only write it in a column, not say it in front of an audience of conservatives because people might start throwing garbage.

And let me tell you, I understand where people are coming from with McCain; I really do. That's why I created such seminal works of art as The Conservative Case Against John McCain In 2008, A Conservative Nightmare: Republican Nominee, John McCain, and John McCain: This guy? Really?, among many, many other brutal attacks on "Amnesty" John. On the bright side, I suppose that if he becomes President, no one can ever accuse me of refusing to criticize people on my own side, but on the other hand, that would mean John McCain would be the President of the United States. Shudder!

Wait, what was this column about again? Oh yes, why conservatives should vote for John McCain in 2008. Well, somebody had to write this column since it's looking more and more likely that McCain is going to be the nominee and it's better that it isn't one of the people who actually like him because a lot of the things that need to be said about Mr. "Straight Talk" aren't that pleasant.

The truth is that John McCain could have been fairly called a conservative at one time, but that is no longer an accurate designation for him. McCain is not just a squish or a RINO, he is a man who seems to take pleasure in publicly fighting against conservatives on issues of great import. That's why John McCain may become the de facto leader of the Republican Party if he's the nominee and the leader of the country if he's the President, but no matter how many times he calls himself a "conservative leader," the Right will accept him as the leader of the conservative movement about 5 minutes after hell freezes over and reopens as a ski lodge.

That being said, there's another side to the story that has to be told. For all of his flaws, and there are many of them, John McCain is far to the right of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Those of us on the Right tend to downplay that, because a betrayal by someone on our own side stings much more sharply than one from a Democrat, but it is something conservatives should be willing to admit.

It's also worth noting that these claims that McCain will destroy the conservative movement are unlikely to be true or alternately, if they are, then the conservative movement is probably too fragile to last any way. After all, if the liberal movement could survive Bill Clinton, a lying adulterer whose three greatest "accomplishments," welfare reform, NAFTA, and balancing the budget, were all near and dear to the hearts of conservatives, then we should be able to withstand McCain.

More to the point, although we cannot know exactly how things will play out, it's very easy to imagine a scenario where a McCain presidency would be very good for the country and for conservatism.

Don't think it sounds possible? Well, imagine this: John McCain selects Fred Thompson as his Vice-President and defeats Hillary Clinton in November. Although he has many negatives, McCain is a fiscal conservative and it's easy to see him balancing the budget, which would burnish the fiscal credentials of the Republican Party.

McCain would also hang in there in Iraq and insure that country is stable before we leave, which would help the American public regain confidence in the GOP on foreign policy again.

Next up is judges. John Paul Stevens is 87 years old. Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 74 and has had cancer. Does either of those two liberals make it through the next four years without retiring? That's no small issue, because the court is currently split with 4 conservatives, 4 liberals and a moderate. That means a number of important cases, including Roe v. Wade, will probably be decided once and for all by the Supreme Court appointments of the next President of the United States. May God forgive us if we condemn a million plus children a year to death by abortion because we're angry at John McCain.

Then there's immigration, where we know McCain is just dying to put the illegal immigrants in this country on a path to citizenship. However, he has pledged to secure the border before he does that. In all honesty, with the glacier-like speed that the federal government moves, there is zero chance that is going to be completed in the next four years. Yet, as security improves, more and more illegal aliens will leave the country on their own. So even though McCain's motives wouldn't be pure, enforcement by attrition would still occur during his first term and if conservatives hold McCain to his promise, it's very possible that he wouldn't be able to implement amnesty by 2012.

Of course, there are a lot of other non-conservative things that McCain would like to do but happily, as we all know, the Founding Fathers created a political system that moves slowly and is very prone to gridlock. That means it's possible that much of the rest of McCain's agenda would remain undone in his first term and it's entirely possible that McCain won't run again. He is, after all, almost 72 years old and as Chuck Norris so bluntly reminded us, the presidency does have a tendency to age a man well beyond his years.

So, think about where we could be: a balanced budget, the war in Iraq won, a conservative Supreme Court, border security increased, the Republican Party's reputation much improved, and McCain leaving office in 2012. Can you really tell me that sounds so bad?

Granted, that is a very rosy scenario, but it's also relatively plausible -- and what's our alternative? President Hillary Rodham Clinton or President Barack Obama, socialized medicine, losing the war in Iraq, allowing Al-Qaeda to run wild for 4 years, exploding deficits, huge tax increases, and a liberal leaning Supreme Court for the next decade.

Of course, some people think there might be a conservative resurgence in opposition to a Democratic President, but don't kid yourself; it's just as likely that a GOP defeat could turn us into a squabbling minority party that is out of power for years while the Left remakes this country in the image of Belgium.

Does that mean you should, "vote for John McCain in November and like it?" No, but it does mean, that if John McCain is the nominee, you should think very hard about holding your nose and voting for the viable candidate who would do the most good for our country.



John Hawkins is a professional blogger who runs Conservative Grapevine and Right Wing News.


http://www.townhall.com/columnists/JohnHawkins/2008/02/01/why_youre_going_to_vote_for_john_mccain_in_novembe r_and_like_it!

Now were talking sense. Mccain is FAR to the right of the Dems. He has always VOTED pro life. Hillary recently accused Obama as not being pro abort ENOUGH.

Mccain TWICE voted AGAINST the ban on Assault weapons. Hillary would ban most Gun ownership in the United States.

Mccain for good or bad would be a strong leader of a nation at war.

Mccain is a social Conservative. Thats whats most important to me. There is a LOT of difference between him and the Dems.

I would far prefer Mike Huckabee. I would NEVER vote for the 2 Dems running now. I dont want the blood of the unborn on my hands like it is on theirs.

Truthfully right now I probably will not vote for Mccain or any of them. But there is still about 10 months left. He could possibly come out strong against the Gay rights movement. Thats the biggest issue I have with him right now.

Many years have passed since he divorced his first wife for a younger woman. Personal transgressions can be forgiven if they seem to be in the distant past.

The Dems will NOT get my vote. Mccain MIGHT depending on the next 10 months.

I would be more than astonished if Annie Coulter campaigns for and votes for Hillary. She will eat those word IMHO.

Pressing-On
02-01-2008, 11:16 PM
Now were talking sense. Mccain is FAR to the right of the Dems. He has always VOTED pro life. Hillary recently accused Obama as not being pro abort ENOUGH.

Mccain TWICE voted AGAINST the ban on Assault weapons. Hillary would ban most Gun ownership in the United States.

Mccain for good or bad would be a strong leader of a nation at war.

Mccain is a social Conservative. Thats whats most important to me. There is a LOT of difference between him and the Dems.

I would far prefer Mike Huckabee. I would NEVER vote for the 2 Dems running now. I dont want the blood of the unborn on my hands like it is on theirs.

Truthfully right now I probably will not vote for Mccain or any of them. But there is still about 10 months left. He could possibly come out strong against the Gay rights movement. Thats the biggest issue I have with him right now.

Many years have passed since he divorced his first wife for a younger woman. Personal transgressions can be forgiven if they seem to be in the distant past.

The Dems will NOT get my vote. Mccain MIGHT depending on the next 10 months.

I would be more than astonished if Annie Coulter campaigns for and votes for Hillary. She will eat those word IMHO.
Good post, so many good points. And Yes, Ann (lol) reminds me of Alec Baldwin saying he would leave the country if Bush won. lol

One thing is that McCain DID vote for Roberts - Obama and Hillary did not.

I really do see McCain growing into a stronger leader. Voters loyal to President Bush see in McCain a man who stood firm on the Iraq war. Voters who dislike Bush see a man who criticized the president on the conduct of that war. This is useful.

How I feel, and I was trying to be careful putting out my opinion, but my gut feeling is that Americans see serious challenges ahead for our nation—at home and abroad. They sense McCain’s deep love for our nation and his strength of character. Americans intuitively know McCain alone is up to the task.

Michael The Disciple
02-02-2008, 12:45 AM
There are a lot of video's on each candidate on Youtube that make them look pretty bad in their own words. They will come back to hurt them.

Rico
02-02-2008, 02:05 AM
The early church voted in no elections...maybe our choice should be the same.

I disagree. Voting is very important. The worst thing we could do is sit elections out. We have a voice in this country, we being Christians.

Rico
02-02-2008, 02:11 AM
I have to agree with you on that point.

I'm hearing that if McCain gets it, he will be a one term president.

I don't think McCain has much of a chance at winning the Whitehouse. For one thing, he's 71 years old. His age will factor in to voters' decision. I don't like him very much. I think history will be made with this election, because I think either Hillary or Obama will win. Between those two, I think Obama has a better chance. People are referring to him as a black JFK. Also, I think people have grown tired of the Presidency being occupied by either a Bush or a Clinton, and the country is ready for a change.

Pressing-On
02-02-2008, 07:01 AM
I don't think McCain has much of a chance at winning the Whitehouse. For one thing, he's 71 years old. His age will factor in to voters' decision. I don't like him very much. I think history will be made with this election, because I think either Hillary or Obama will win. Between those two, I think Obama has a better chance. People are referring to him as a black JFK. Also, I think people have grown tired of the Presidency being occupied by either a Bush or a Clinton, and the country is ready for a change.

I haven't cast my vote one way or the other, although I will vote my party line. I'm just looking at it all and what I think the feel of it is.

If a Democrat were to go into office I would prefer Obama over Hillary. Certainly. I want this election to be the end for the Clintons.

OP_Carl
02-02-2008, 07:18 AM
Why You're Going To Vote For John McCain In November And Like It!

And here (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1133233) is why people ought to think twice before voting for McCain.


Note:
Reason is a Libertarian magazine, one that I no longer take because of the swear words and excessive content about drug legalization. I'm only about half Libertarian.

Felicity
02-02-2008, 07:25 AM
I think it would be very interesting to see a woman in the White House. If it was someone besides but Hillary Clinton.

If, as people are predicting, that the Democrats will win this election there's a good possibility.

JaneEyre
02-03-2008, 03:31 PM
Someone told me that Maria Shriver is now officially endorsing Barack Obama. Is this true? Her husband Arnold S. is endorsing McCain. No big surprise if she does support Obama, since she is part of the Kennedy clan. I couldn't find this on the internet.

Pressing-On
02-03-2008, 04:11 PM
Someone told me that Maria Shriver is now officially endorsing Barack Obama. Is this true? Her husband Arnold S. is endorsing McCain. No big surprise if she does support Obama, since she is part of the Kennedy clan. I couldn't find this on the internet.

Yes, it's true, but who is surprised?

''This is not just about the Democratic party..this is also about California,'' she said.

''If Barack Obama was a state, he'd be California.'' - Maria Shriver

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=23955

StMark
02-03-2008, 05:14 PM
Someone told me that Maria Shriver is now officially endorsing Barack Obama. Is this true? Her husband Arnold S. is endorsing McCain. No big surprise if she does support Obama, since she is part of the Kennedy clan. I couldn't find this on the internet.


She did. California is going nuts over Barak Obama. she shocked everyone


however it works out, I think it's going to be Hillary and Barak

against McCain - there's a slight chance one of the others will win

BUT i think Hillary and Barak will win the white house