View Full Version : Official Tulsa Report, Pictures, and Comments
Minister_WD
02-08-2008, 04:02 PM
Report: http://www.worldwidepf.com/page.php?ID=42
Pictures: http://worldwidepf.com/external/summit-2008/Site/Down_to_Business.html
Comments: http://www.worldwidepf.com/page.php?ID=43
seguidordejesus
02-08-2008, 04:08 PM
...and they have a screen...
ogatt
02-08-2008, 04:09 PM
sin has already filtrated the wpf. that aint no white shirt!
chosenbyone
02-08-2008, 04:26 PM
Was this new fellowship intended for the Caucasian race only? I didn't see one person of color while viewing the photos of the event.
Pragmatist
02-08-2008, 04:38 PM
Was this new fellowship intended for the Caucasian race only? I didn't see one person of color while viewing the photos of the event.
I saw one.
George
02-08-2008, 04:38 PM
sin has already filtrated the wpf. that aint no white shirt!
I bet the lady in that pic had cut hair, too. She tried to hide it, but it kept falling out.
izzyschwartz
02-08-2008, 06:20 PM
Is that Borat in one of those pictures? Is he joining the WPFers?
pelathais
02-08-2008, 07:26 PM
Is that Borat in one of those pictures? Is he joining the WPFers?
Stop! You know better than that. http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/images/icons/icon11.gif
They announced the attendance at 1500. When the meeting was first being reported it was said that there was a room that holds over 2500 that had been rented and that they expected standing room only. Another figure that was thrown out there was "2000 to 2500."
They missed their projections by at least 25%; that's gotta be a little disappointing.
Dan'D
02-08-2008, 07:50 PM
Stop! You know better than that. http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/images/icons/icon11.gif
They announced the attendance at 1500. When the meeting was first being reported it was said that there was a room that holds over 2500 that had been rented and that they expected standing room only. Another figure that was thrown out there was "2000 to 2500."
They missed their projections by at least 25%; that's gotta be a little disappointing.
Thats still quite a number.
Dan'D
Monkeyman
02-08-2008, 08:07 PM
I saw one.
I looked, never saw one...sorry, I don't think I would fit in here.
pelathais
02-08-2008, 08:10 PM
Thats still quite a number.
Dan'D
Not really. If every preacher in Tulsa was UPC (and they weren't), and if every one of those preachers signed up for the WwPF (and they didn't), then there would be about a 10% loss (or less) in UPC members.
Given the fact that the catalyst of the meeting (Resolution #4) had a vote of something like 55 - 45% I'd say that the WwPF didn't even persuade their target audience.
Dan'D
02-08-2008, 08:14 PM
Not really. If every preacher in Tulsa was UPC (and they weren't), and if every one of those preachers signed up for the WwPF (and they didn't), then there would be about a 10% loss (or less) in UPC members.
Given the fact that the catalyst of the meeting (Resolution #4) had a vote of something like 55 - 45% I'd say that the WwPF didn't even persuade their target audience.
it's just getting started.
Dan'D
pelathais
02-08-2008, 08:44 PM
it's just getting started.
Dan'D
Oh, okay. :ohplease
Pastor G
02-08-2008, 08:57 PM
it's just getting started.
Dan'D
:toofunny:toofunny:toofunny:toofunny:toofunny
htwnprchr
02-08-2008, 10:02 PM
Did I see several pics of men with beard/goatees???
pelathais
02-08-2008, 10:06 PM
Did I see several pics of men with beard/goatees???
I saw the same guy twice. They say that one of the speakers (Johnny Godair?) preached against "facial hair" when he was reading his laundry list.
Also, it was reported that the professional photographer who was hired to take these pics had a mustache.
It's sad that we have to even mention stuff like that. How on earth did we get stuck on an idea that men must shave their faces smooth like a woman's?
**Just saw a second guy that I had missed earlier. So there's "the same guy twice" with a goatee and another gentleman in the food line with a growing beard. I wonder if either of them signed up.
I saw the same guy twice. They say that one of the speakers (Johnny Godair?) preached against "facial hair" when he was reading his laundry list.
Also, it was reported that the professional photographer who was hired to take these pics had a mustache.
It's sad that we have to even mention stuff like that. How on earth did we get stuck on an idea that men must shave their faces smooth like a woman's?
**Just saw a second guy that I had missed earlier. So there's "the same guy twice" with a goatee and another gentleman in the food line with a growing beard. I wonder if either of them signed up.
I wonder what Ogatt would have to say about that?
according to Reckert half the number @ the Tulsa Tango were spouses and family mbrs of the minister. The real question is how many were upci. Not as many as the west coast mafia would have hoped.
Thats still quite a number.
Dan'D
Stadium ushers don't count.
I saw one.
pelathais
02-08-2008, 10:37 PM
I wonder what Ogatt would have to say about that?
He'd probably go carrying on about the compromise evident in each of those pictures that didn't have a buffet table in it. :toofunny
Be careful. I was cautioned that pointing out spiritual paralells of spiritual segregation was too much.
Was this new fellowship intended for the Caucasian race only? I didn't see one person of color while viewing the photos of the event.
pelathais
02-08-2008, 10:54 PM
Be careful. I was cautioned that pointing out spiritual paralells of spiritual segregation was too much.
I went back through the pics again, looking for some of the things that others mentioned seeing or not seeing. I did see one face that rather clearly had African-American features- just in the FWIW department.
I saw several faces that I recognized and one that surprised me simply because I had always considered him a "kid" and didn't think he was "old enough" to be hanging with this crowd. I think that's just the years sneaking up on me.
Most of the Executive Committee members have "outreaches" or daughter works in the various ethnic and immigrant communities around their churches. For this reason I wouldn't characterize the WwPF as being overtly "segregated" in any way. I have no way of knowing how they handle their relationships with the pastors and ministers in those works.
There is the general characterization that "conservative" Apostolics are more likely to be "segregationist" in their outlook. This is a common theme, but I think it is unfair as well. From my experience (and I'm afraid anecdotal impressions are all that I can offer here) I have found that those of a "segregationist" outlook do tend to also be "conservative" within the Apostolic ranks. But a simple Venn Diagram would demonstrate the error in saying "'conservative' Apostolics are segregationists."
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