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bkstokes
02-22-2008, 08:11 AM
For those who are wanting a greater understanding of the New Testament Church I highly recommend "The Church in the New Testament" by Kevin J. Conner. He self titles himself as a trinitarian however his writings show how he has an understanding of the Mighty God in Christ. He also baptizes in the name of Jesus. The only caution is that if you are not into studios writings and a lot of scripture reference then you should not read his book.

A_PoMo
02-23-2008, 09:00 PM
I recommend "A Knowledge of the Holy" by A.W. Tozer. I recently read it for the first time I trembled in the presence of truth. My prayer time hasn't been the same since.

mizpeh
02-24-2008, 06:48 AM
I recommend "A Knowledge of the Holy" by A.W. Tozer. I recently read it for the first time I trembled in the presence of truth. My prayer time hasn't been the same since.

I second your recommendation! :bigweightlift:


I loved Humility by Andrew Murray and The Battlefield of the Mind devotional by Joyce Meyer.

bkstokes
02-24-2008, 01:22 PM
I recommend "A Knowledge of the Holy" by A.W. Tozer. I recently read it for the first time I trembled in the presence of truth. My prayer time hasn't been the same since.

Thanks for you guys recommendation. If ya'll like Tozer them you should check out the internet site Sermon Index. It has over 500 audio sermons in mp3 form of Tozer. Although these sermons were recorded more then 50 yrs ago the quality is surprisingly good.

Keep the Faith!
Brian

ReformedDave
02-24-2008, 03:19 PM
Thanks for you guys recommendation. If ya'll like Tozer them you should check out the internet site Sermon Index. It has over 500 audio sermons in mp3 form of Tozer. Although these sermons were recorded more then 50 yrs ago the quality is surprisingly good.

Keep the Faith!
Brian

He's one of my favorite arminians a long with C. S. Lewis.

A_PoMo
02-24-2008, 09:34 PM
Reformed,

I'm studying various theological systems in school and have been learning about Calvinism. Could you recommend three books on it that increase in complexity from a primer, to moderate, to techinical that describes Calvinism? Also, what would you recommend as the best book that argues against Arminianism?

A_PoMo
02-24-2008, 09:36 PM
Thanks Brian for the info about Tozer. I'll check that out. Maybe i'll "borrow" some of his stuff. :) I suspect I wouldn't be the first. haha.

ReformedDave
02-25-2008, 08:56 AM
Reformed,

I'm studying various theological systems in school and have been learning about Calvinism. Could you recommend three books on it that increase in complexity from a primer, to moderate, to techinical that describes Calvinism? Also, what would you recommend as the best book that argues against Arminianism?

Wow! Tough call.

1) Easy and short-RC Sproul- 'Chosen to Believe' (I think that's the title), Also John Gerstner's "Primer on the Free Will"

2) Moderate- Loraine Boettner- 'Doctrine of Predestination', Martin Luther's "Bondage of the Will" (Considered his finest work. Great read as ML was a salty guy)

3) The best 2 rigorous defenses that I know of are 'The Death of Death in the Death of Christ' by John Owen, and my #1 is "Freedom of the Will" by Jonathan Edwards. In my knowledge both of these treaties have never been successfully refuted.

The above deal primarily with the 'five point' and not Calvinism as a whole system. The best is still Calvin's 'Institutes'. Very logical, warm, and pastoral. One can drink deeply from it.

A_PoMo
02-25-2008, 09:39 AM
Thanks Dave. I appreciate the recommendations.

Can you recommend an article or paper or book that breaks down Arminianism, exposing its weaknesses from a Calvinist perspective?

Thanks.

bkstokes
02-25-2008, 09:48 AM
Thanks Dave. I appreciate the recommendations.

Can you recommend an article or paper or book that breaks down Arminianism, exposing its weaknesses from a Calvinist perspective?

Thanks.

Let me get this right. A_POMO, you and ReformedDave favor the beliefs of Calvinism?

bkstokes
02-25-2008, 09:50 AM
Let me also say that this Forum is quite enjoyable. When I first signed up I thought it would be over trodden with burdensome debates, but I find it quite interesting.

ReformedDave
02-25-2008, 10:12 AM
Thanks Dave. I appreciate the recommendations.

Can you recommend an article or paper or book that breaks down Arminianism, exposing its weaknesses from a Calvinist perspective?

Thanks.

Here's a site that will give you more than you ever wanted to know....

www.apuritansmind.com/Arminianism/Arminianism.htm

A_PoMo
02-25-2008, 11:25 AM
Thanks Dave. I like the opening statement, "The system of doctrine known as Arminianism is heresy. It is an offshoot from Pelagianism and Semi-Pelagianism. It has been adversely affecting the church and its doctrine for over 250 years. Men like Finney and Wesley, being the charismatic personalities they were, propagated the doctrine and resurrected the Pelagian error from the pit of hell once again to persecute the church of Christ."

Now THATS warm and fuzzy! haha.

B: I assume that he is since he's Reformed, but I'm in seminary and just trying to wrestle with all the various points of view so that some day I can come on here and slam dunk Dave. hahaha. Just kidding Dave! Seriously though, I'm in seminary and working through these issues and trying to become conversant about them and trying to build a good library.

To give equal time, I'm also trying to put together a list of the best 15-20 books on the Oneness. The best of the old stuff and the best of the latest and greatest from the current smart ones. Anybody care to recommend some for me?

ReformedDave
02-25-2008, 11:36 AM
Thanks Dave. I like the opening statement, "The system of doctrine known as Arminianism is heresy. It is an offshoot from Pelagianism and Semi-Pelagianism. It has been adversely affecting the church and its doctrine for over 250 years. Men like Finney and Wesley, being the charismatic personalities they were, propagated the doctrine and resurrected the Pelagian error from the pit of hell once again to persecute the church of Christ."

Now THATS warm and fuzzy! haha.

B: I assume that he is since he's Reformed, but I'm in seminary and just trying to wrestle with all the various points of view so that some day I can come on here and slam dunk Dave. hahaha. Just kidding Dave! Seriously though, I'm in seminary and working through these issues and trying to become conversant about them and trying to build a good library.

To give equal time, I'm also trying to put together a list of the best 15-20 books on the Oneness. The best of the old stuff and the best of the latest and greatest from the current smart ones. Anybody care to recommend some for me?

I don't agree with everything on that site and many times it's 'tone' but it does have a lot of material.

As far as OP stuff try to get Frank Ewarts' material.

bkstokes
02-25-2008, 11:58 AM
Thanks Dave. I like the opening statement, "The system of doctrine known as Arminianism is heresy. It is an offshoot from Pelagianism and Semi-Pelagianism. It has been adversely affecting the church and its doctrine for over 250 years. Men like Finney and Wesley, being the charismatic personalities they were, propagated the doctrine and resurrected the Pelagian error from the pit of hell once again to persecute the church of Christ."

Now THATS warm and fuzzy! haha.

B: I assume that he is since he's Reformed, but I'm in seminary and just trying to wrestle with all the various points of view so that some day I can come on here and slam dunk Dave. hahaha. Just kidding Dave! Seriously though, I'm in seminary and working through these issues and trying to become conversant about them and trying to build a good library.

To give equal time, I'm also trying to put together a list of the best 15-20 books on the Oneness. The best of the old stuff and the best of the latest and greatest from the current smart ones. Anybody care to recommend some for me?


Kenneth Reeves has some good stuff. Although he doesn't get enough attention towards his works. However, you cannot just read one of his books. In order to understand his perspective on the Godhead you must read all of them. They are quite short and they don't contain too much jargon. I have yet to find a trnitarian who read his work and said "wow I need to reevaluate the Godhead."

mizpeh
02-25-2008, 03:44 PM
Thanks Dave. I like the opening statement, "The system of doctrine known as Arminianism is heresy. It is an offshoot from Pelagianism and Semi-Pelagianism. It has been adversely affecting the church and its doctrine for over 250 years. Men like Finney and Wesley, being the charismatic personalities they were, propagated the doctrine and resurrected the Pelagian error from the pit of hell once again to persecute the church of Christ."

Now THATS warm and fuzzy! haha.

B: I assume that he is since he's Reformed, but I'm in seminary and just trying to wrestle with all the various points of view so that some day I can come on here and slam dunk Dave. hahaha. Just kidding Dave! Seriously though, I'm in seminary and working through these issues and trying to become conversant about them and trying to build a good library.

To give equal time, I'm also trying to put together a list of the best 15-20 books on the Oneness. The best of the old stuff and the best of the latest and greatest from the current smart ones. Anybody care to recommend some for me?

POMO,

There is a presentation on Reclaiming the Mind Ministries called "Conversing with the Scholars". Two DTS grads run the site and interview different Christian authors on Paltalk and archive the interviews. Check out Arminianism with Roger Olson and Calvinism with Sam Storms.

http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/cws/home

A_PoMo
02-25-2008, 04:14 PM
thanks mizpeh, I bookmarked the link and will check it out.

nbass
03-10-2008, 02:11 PM
The Master Plan of Evangelism by Robert E. Coleman. Coleman is a Methodist minister and the book's first printing was 1963. It will revolutionize your view of evangelism. I have read it at least four times and taught a series from it three times over the last 15 years.

bkstokes
03-14-2008, 08:12 PM
The Master Plan of Evangelism by Robert E. Coleman. Coleman is a Methodist minister and the book's first printing was 1963. It will revolutionize your view of evangelism. I have read it at least four times and taught a series from it three times over the last 15 years.

I think I have this book, but I have never gotten around to reading it. You have encouraged me to read it now. Thank you.

A_PoMo
03-14-2008, 08:13 PM
I think I have this book, but I have never gotten around to reading it. You have encouraged me to read it now. Thank you.

I read it last year for a leadership class. Good book. Alot of that stuff is coming into vogue again. Thank God.

Raven
03-15-2008, 12:41 AM
I think it's interesting that in all of its endeavours that "Oneness Pentecost" has not yet produced a truly outstanding book on the Godhead. That includes DB. In fact there is a dearth of dynamic writers in Apostolic Pentecost and for that reason people are then turning to trinitarian authors. The paradox is that many oneness believers think that the trinitarians are not saved yet avidly read, quote, and teach from their books!
Raven

bkstokes
03-15-2008, 12:51 AM
I think it's interesting that in all of its endeavours that "Oneness Pentecost" has not yet produced a truly outstanding book on the Godhead. That includes DB. In fact there is a dearth of dynamic writers in Apostolic Pentecost and for that reason people are then turning to trinitarian authors. The paradox is that many oneness believers think that the trinitarians are not saved yet avidly read, quote, and teach from their books!
Raven

I never said that trinitarians were not saved. However, I do understand your generalization.

crakjak
03-15-2008, 09:32 AM
I think it's interesting that in all of its endeavours that "Oneness Pentecost" has not yet produced a truly outstanding book on the Godhead. That includes DB. In fact there is a dearth of dynamic writers in Apostolic Pentecost and for that reason people are then turning to trinitarian authors. The paradox is that many oneness believers think that the trinitarians are not saved yet avidly read, quote, and teach from their books!
Raven

That my friend is because, OP's have done what other denominations have done, take a understanding of scripture and make it heaven or hell.

Instead of embracing the truth of God's intention to restore His creation, denominationalism creates individual tents. Then stands by the flaps and hawks its doctrine as the only escape from eternal damnation, instead of proclaiming Jesus Christ the Savior of the world.

nbass
03-17-2008, 01:46 AM
"Fire from on high can raise a church from the ashes; the fire of ambition can burn it to the ground." Francine Rivers in And the Shofar Blew

The quote above is the storyline of the book in a nutshell. Excellent read. Everyone in or around ministry should read it and learn. We often confuse ambition with "vision." One is a work of the flesh, the other a gift from God.

nbass
03-30-2008, 11:17 PM
Victory Over the Self Centered Life by Dr. Paul Caram is excellent. The whole Christian Maturity Series by Caram is good, but five stars for this volume. The publisher's link is below.

http://zcbooks.com/

sisjean7
07-03-2008, 08:53 PM
Victory Over the Self Centered Life by Dr. Paul Caram is excellent. The whole Christian Maturity Series by Caram is good, but five stars for this volume. The publisher's link is below.

http://zcbooks.com/



Wow, I had come across your website when I was looking for a book on Nehemiah. I really want to buy it, just haven't had the time to order. It looks very interesting :)

nbass
07-03-2008, 09:33 PM
Wow, I had come across your website when I was looking for a book on Nehemiah. I really want to buy it, just haven't had the time to order. It looks very interesting :)

Sister Jean,

I appreciate your interest. I'll make it real easy to order. Just send me a private message with your mailing address and I will ship a copy and enclose a bill.

Have you seen my blog? www.truthstreams.com

Blessings,
NB

nbass
07-03-2008, 09:53 PM
Here is a recommendation for a book similar to one I hope to write some day. Liberating Ministry from the Success Syndrome by Kent and Barbara Hughes. I give the book four stars.

http://www.amazon.com/Liberating-Ministry-Success-Syndrome-Hughes/dp/1581349742/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215139161&sr=8-1

The truth of the matter is, whoever you allow to define success for you will control your life. If we are constantly striving to be seen by others as successful, we are allowing others to control our life. Ministry is a stewardship situation. The primary responsibility of a steward is faithfulness to the Master. Faithfulness is the measure God uses to determine man's success. Men use the gauge of "results" or "blessing" to measure success. If we buy into this crooked yardstick we may well find ourself out of God's will trying to do His work.

sisjean7
07-04-2008, 10:27 AM
Sister Jean,

I appreciate your interest. I'll make it real easy to order. Just send me a private message with your mailing address and I will ship a copy and enclose a bill.

Have you seen my blog? www.truthstreams.com (http://www.truthstreams.com)

Blessings,
NB

Wow, Sounds great! Will do it right away :) I will check out your blog too, thanks!

nbass
07-04-2008, 11:26 AM
Wow, Sounds great! Will do it right away :) I will check out your blog too, thanks!

Sister Jean,

Your order will go out Monday. I gave you a 20% discount, which I offer to any member of this forum. I hope you enjoy Building God's Wall: Reclaiming Your Spiritual High Ground.

Blessings,
NB

HomeDude
07-06-2008, 05:37 PM
I highly recommend "The Glorious Church" by David Huston and Jim McKinley it can be downloaded and read fro free PDF file at Dave's website. I also highly recommend "The Untold Story of the New Testament Church" by Frank Viola. Frank is a trinity, but once you get past that part he does have a very good historical view of the church

sisjean7
07-07-2008, 02:22 PM
Sister Jean,

Your order will go out Monday. I gave you a 20% discount, which I offer to any member of this forum. I hope you enjoy Building God's Wall: Reclaiming Your Spiritual High Ground.

Blessings,
NB

Thanks Pastor for the discount! It looks like a great book. Can't wait to read it!