Western District Conference Controversy

[Minister_WD]

The Western District Conference, scheduled in May has been moved to another location. The Pastor of the church where District Conference was originally to be held is on the General Council of the WPF. However, the Bishop of the church is remaining UPC.

What should the District do in this situation? Did they make the right move?

With the recent decision handed down by the General Board, the WD appears to have every right to move the conference.

Some in the District feel that this was a wrong move, and have appealed to Headquarters. There is a lot of pressure for the District to move the conference back to its original location.

[Raven]

The Western District Conference, scheduled in May has been moved to another location. The Pastor of the church where District Conference was originally to be held is on the General Council of the WPF. However, the Bishop of the church is remaining UPC.

What should the District do in this situation? Did they make the right move?

With the recent decision handed down by the General Board, the WD appears to have every right to move the conference.

Some in the District feel that this was a wrong move, and have appealed to Headquarters. There is a lot of pressure for the District to move the conference back to its original location.
I wasn't going to say anything about this subject but since it has now been posted, here are a few more bits of information for you to consider:
1. The pastor, in question, did not attend the conference in Tulsa.
2. The WD officials did not contact said pastor about the changes. Others told him.
3. Because of the way it was handled the pastor doesn't want the Conference there.
4. This pastor, as well as others, is considering going independent because of the actions and confusion being created by both sides. [ UPCI and WPF ]
Raven

[ReformedDave]

I wasn't going to say anything about this subject but since it has now been posted, here are a few more bits of information for you to consider:
1. The pastor, in question, did not attend the conference in Tulsa.
2. The WD officials did not contact said pastor about the changes. Others told him.
3. Because of the way it was handled the pastor doesn't want the Conference there.
4. This pastor, as well as others, is considering going independent because of the actions and confusion being created by both sides. [ UPCI and WPF ]
Raven

And how is the mighty Miles?

[dizzyde]

And how is the mighty Miles?

He has nothing to do with this discussion.

[dizzyde]

I wasn't going to say anything about this subject but since it has now been posted, here are a few more bits of information for you to consider:
1. The pastor, in question, did not attend the conference in Tulsa.
2. The WD officials did not contact said pastor about the changes. Others told him.
3. Because of the way it was handled the pastor doesn't want the Conference there.
4. This pastor, as well as others, is considering going independent because of the actions and confusion being created by both sides. [ UPCI and WPF ]
Raven


Raven, I agree with your assessments. This whole situation makes me want to bang my head up against the wall. This is a snapshot of the state of the WD, I am seriously starting to doubt whether we will have a district left when the dust finally settles. Such a monumental waste.

[Raven]

Raven, I agree with your assessments. This whole situation makes me want to bang my head up against the wall. This is a snapshot of the state of the WD, I am seriously starting to doubt whether we will have a district left when the dust finally settles. Such a monumental waste.
Dizzy
Next year, about this time, I have a name in mind, that you might be familiar with, who possibly could put things back on track. This person would be crazy to take on the headache but it probably is the answer. It may take awhile, but I'll just patiently wait, until everyone else catches up with my discernment. :)

Raven

Do I have anything to say from about 2400 miles away? Yes, 8 little reasons that live in the NorCal District. My Grandkids!

[Minister_WD]

Dizzy
Next year, about this time, I have a name in mind, that you might be familiar with, who possibly could put things back on track. This person would be crazy to take on the headache but it probably is the answer. It may take awhile, but I'll just patiently wait, until everyone else catches up with my discernment. :)

Raven

Do I have anything to say from about 2400 miles away? Yes, 8 little reasons that live in the NorCal District. My Grandkids!

It seems that there are many others in the district who have this name in mind as well. AA may end up being a one term DS.

[dizzyde]

Dizzy
Next year, about this time, I have a name in mind, that you might be familiar with, who possibly could put things back on track. This person would be crazy to take on the headache but it probably is the answer. It may take awhile, but I'll just patiently wait, until everyone else catches up with my discernment. :)

Raven

Do I have anything to say from about 2400 miles away? Yes, 8 little reasons that live in the NorCal District. My Grandkids!

I don't have a lot to say about that, nobody asks my opinion on these things (I don't know why, I think I'm brilliant!). But if they did, yes, I think crazy is the first word that comes to mind.

I think there would have to be a mighty hand of God, very evident for all to see. A lot of factors would come into play.

To be very fair, it is not an easy job in the very best of times, and this last year has been about the furthest thing from the best of times that anyone could have imagined.

I don't know if anyone could have dealt with all of this and made the best decisions all the time, and made everybody happy (that will never happen, trust me.)

I guess the best plan is to pray for God's will and His hand on everyone involved. (I think they should ask me, I have done such a GREAT job with my own life, I could straighten everybody out! EXTREME TIC!)

[CC1]

If the Western district and Nationanl UPC had not been eat up with worldliness in the form of video screens, colored lights, contemporary music, and motions while singing this whole thing could have been avoided.

Apparently the concession to the ultra cons to not allow short sleeves at Youth Camp was just not enough of a bone.

[Thinking]

"If the Western district and Nationanl UPC had not been eat up with worldliness in the form of video screens, colored lights, contemporary music, and motions while singing this whole thing could have been avoided."

CC1, it's interesting that NW, one of the founders of the WPF, certainly uses video screens and contemporary music. While I have not observed colored lights and motions while singing, I strongly suspect those to also reside within his realm of control.

Interesting.......

[A_PoMo]

Why is the information here so so secret? Who is the pastor, the bishop and where was this supposed to be? I've been out of the UPC so I long I no longer know all the code and the "Who's Who". Is AA Allen Alda? I didn't realize the WD was THAT liberal. :)

[dizzyde]

Why is the information here so so secret? Who is the pastor, the bishop and where was this supposed to be? I've been out of the UPC so I long I no longer know all the code and the "Who's Who". Is AA Allen Alda? I didn't realize the WD was THAT liberal. :)

:ursofunny

Probably for the same reasons you don't want to list details about yourself, your pastor, and your former pastor.... :heeheehee

This is all sensitive stuff, and people are walking on eggshells right now. Not fun. :depressed

[Praxeas]

Raven, I agree with your assessments. This whole situation makes me want to bang my head up against the wall. This is a snapshot of the state of the WD, I am seriously starting to doubt whether we will have a district left when the dust finally settles. Such a monumental waste.
NO it is not. This is not a snapshot since the WD is going to be split into two new Distincts. The South already has it's board selected.

And just who are we supposed to believe anyways? There is always so much rumor going around I never know what to believe...

In fact I hear tell the pastor in question as a propeller that springs out of his butt and flies him around the church while he is preaching...it's amazing really :reaction

[A_PoMo]

NO it is not. This is not a snapshot since the WD is going to be split into two new Distincts. The South already has it's board selected.

And just who are we supposed to believe anyways? There is always so much rumor going around I never know what to believe...

In fact I hear tell the pastor in question as a propeller that springs out of his butt and flies him around the church while he is preaching...it's amazing really :reaction


Ouch. That sounds painful. :)

Diz, you show me your name and I'll show you mine. :)

[dizzyde]

NO it is not. This is not a snapshot since the WD is going to be split into two new Distincts. The South already has it's board selected.

And just who are we supposed to believe anyways? There is always so much rumor going around I never know what to believe...

In fact I hear tell the pastor in question as a propeller that springs out of his butt and flies him around the church while he is preaching...it's amazing really :reaction

Number 1. When I said Western District, I meant Western District. This conversation has nothing to do with the Southern District. And respectfully, I do know what I am talking about and it isn't rumor. Since it isn't your district that is being discussed, you don't have to worry about it.


Number 2. Since I don't have any idea if you have any idea what situation it is that I was referring to, I guess it is your choice to have an opinion about whether or not I am overreacting. I and many others that know about this situation are very upset about it. I guess that is my prerogative to feel how I want about any given situation.

P.S. The district isn't splitting, it is split. Done. We are sharing events this year for convenience sake only.

[dizzyde]

Ouch. That sounds painful. :)

Diz, you show me your name and I'll show you mine. :)

Oh, it sounds like you were probably gone a long time before my name (surname) meant much to anybody in this district. I have a very close relative who has been involved in district leadership for a while now, but is currently a free man.

But I'd LOVE to hear yours!!!!! :gaga

[A_PoMo]

My name is, my name is, my name is...Slim Shady.

Actually, all kidding aside, my name is Charles Mahaney. Now pass me them chicken wings, hallelujah, halleluhah.

[dizzyde]

My name is, my name is, my name is...Slim Shady.

Actually, all kidding aside, my name is Charles Mahaney. Now pass me them chicken wings, hallelujah, halleluhah.

WOW, bro., I'm kinda spooked out, are you posting from the other side??? :laffatu

[George]

WOW, bro., I'm kinda spooked out, are you posting from the other side??? :laffatu

LOL Now that thar is funny!

[George]

I had a friend tell me the western district conference was supposed to be in San Jose.

[dizzyde]

I had a friend tell me the western district conference was supposed to be in San Jose.

Yeah, it was.

[A_PoMo]

WOW, bro., I'm kinda spooked out, are you posting from the other side??? :laffatu

Ya, I know he kicked the KFC bucket. May he RIP. But he was such a character that he'll always live in infamy in my mind and is always good for a laugh.

I wonder if they have lizard skinned Bally dress shoes in heaven? Is lizard skin kosher?

[George]

WOW, bro., I'm kinda spooked out, are you posting from the other side??? :laffatu

Yeah, it was.

If the DS supports this, it sounds like he only wants office for one term. I bet he's outta there next time they vote on him.

[dizzyde]

If the DS supports this, it sounds like he only wants office for one term. I bet he's outta there next time they vote on him.

:dunno nervous cough.....

[Kings Kid]

Was the district conference suppose to be at the Shoemakes church.

[Minister_WD]

Was the district conference suppose to be at the Shoemakes church.

Yes. I understand it has been moved to Merced, but maybe moved back to SJ.

[Theophil]

If the DS supports this, it sounds like he only wants office for one term. I bet he's outta there next time they vote on him.

That would be a huge mistake. AA is an apostle, a real man of God.

[Kings Kid]

Yes. I understand it has been moved to Merced, but maybe moved back to SJ.
If it is being moved back to SJ is it going to be at Nelsons then.

[Minister_WD]

If it is being moved back to SJ is it going to be at Nelsons then.

Shoemake's

[Kings Kid]

Shoemake's

Isn't Jonathan Shoemake with the WWPF.

[Minister_WD]

Isn't Jonathan Shoemake with the WWPF.

I believe he is undecided at this point. Although he is listed on the General Council of the WPF, he did not attend the Apostolic Summit in Tulsa.

He is in attendance at No Limits tonight.

[Kings Kid]

That is interesting.

[George]

JS still has UPC license, did not go to Tulsa, did not give permission for his name to be on the WPF gen. council. Western District has made a fatal error changing the district conference venue. It is my understanding the DS asked him to get his name removed from the WPF. He said he did not put it on there and he could not remove it. The DS then cancelled the district conference at his church.

[SOUNWORTHY]

This whole thing is beginning to sound a little childish!

[Dan'D]

JS still has UPC license, did not go to Tulsa, did not give permission for his name to be on the WPF gen. council. Western District has made a fatal error changing the district conference venue. It is my understanding the DS asked him to get his name removed from the WPF. He said he did not put it on there and he could not remove it. The DS then cancelled the district conference at his church.

I'm sure he could had his name removed it if had wanted to.

Dan'D

[A_PoMo]

Wow, that's pretty heavy handed for the supposedly kinder and gentler UPC. We're in a new epoch! Or are we, er you. I'm not UPC so I guess it's none of my business.

[ReformedDave]

We're hearing sound bites so far.