No Limits Conference Speakers?

[Minister_WD]

3 Major night speakers, who are UPC, have canceled out of this Conference. No Limits is held annually in Sacramento at the Rock Church www.nolimitsonline.org

The leadership of the Rock Church has played a major role in the formation of the WPF. Its Pastor is on the WPF General Council and its Bishop is on the Executive Council.

The General Board's recent decision prohibits holding dual licenses, but does not prohibit fellowship with the WPF.

Should these UPC preachers not have canceled? By canceling, these speakers may be intending to send a message that they are staying UPC.

Given the GB's recent decision and the nature of WD politics, could the No Limits organizers and sponsors not foresee this happening?

It appears that the No Limits Conference will become mainly preached and attended by WPF'rs

[jbigg]

<<The General Board's recent decision prohibits holding dual licenses, but does not prohibit fellowship with the WPF.>>

I heard they past a decision prohibiting any fellowship with WPF, and that anyone that did would lose their license. Also that non- UPC preachers were prohibited to preach in UPC churches. I wasn't there, but that is what was told to me.

[Amos]

<<The General Board's recent decision prohibits holding dual licenses, but does not prohibit fellowship with the WPF.>>

I heard they past a decision prohibiting any fellowship with WPF, and that anyone that did would lose their license. Also that non- UPC preachers were prohibited to preach in UPC churches. I wasn't there, but that is what was told to me.

I do not believe this is correct.

[anapko]

3 Major night speakers, who are UPC, have canceled out of this Conference. No Limits is held annually in Sacramento at the Rock Church www.nolimitsonline.org

The leadership of the Rock Church has played a major role in the formation of the WPF. Its Pastor is on the WPF General Council and its Bishop is on the Executive Council.

The General Board's recent decision prohibits holding dual licenses, but does not prohibit fellowship with the WPF.

Should these UPC preachers not have canceled? By canceling, these speakers may be intending to send a message that they are staying UPC.

Given the GB's recent decision and the nature of WD politics, could the No Limits organizers and sponsors not foresee this happening?

It appears that the No Limits Conference will become mainly preached and attended by WPF'rs

Or...it may be like a certain church in North Little Rock who puts on nothing but slam dunking holiness standard preaching by anybody who will conform to those standards. IMO

[Minister_WD]

<<The General Board's recent decision prohibits holding dual licenses, but does not prohibit fellowship with the WPF.>>

I heard they past a decision prohibiting any fellowship with WPF, and that anyone that did would lose their license. Also that non- UPC preachers were prohibited to preach in UPC churches. I wasn't there, but that is what was told to me.

According to David Bernard "This ruling does not mean that members of the WPF are “under question,” and therefore it does not prohibit fellowship between members of the two groups."

[jbigg]

According to David Bernard "This ruling does not mean that members of the WPF are “under question,” and therefore it does not prohibit fellowship between members of the two groups."

Just wondering....you can hear all kinds of things.

[CC1]

<<The General Board's recent decision prohibits holding dual licenses, but does not prohibit fellowship with the WPF.>>

I heard they past a decision prohibiting any fellowship with WPF, and that anyone that did would lose their license. Also that non- UPC preachers were prohibited to preach in UPC churches. I wasn't there, but that is what was told to me.

This is not correct. You need to read the thread with David Barnard's letter to the ministers in his district. He goes into detail about what exactly the General Board voted on and he specifically said that they did not prohibit WWPF and UPC preachers from preaching for each other as long as no existing rules were violated (I am sure he is referring to the one where you can't have an exUPC preacher preach for you or you for him if he left under some circumstance considered wrong).

[ChicagoPastor]

<<The General Board's recent decision prohibits holding dual licenses, but does not prohibit fellowship with the WPF.>>

I heard they past a decision prohibiting any fellowship with WPF, and that anyone that did would lose their license. Also that non- UPC preachers were prohibited to preach in UPC churches. I wasn't there, but that is what was told to me.

This information is 100% FALSE.

[Threads]

Lookie who has live services now! I thought NW was a conservative, not!

http://therockchurch.org/video/

[tv1a]

Anyone see the irony of the name of their conference? Should I dare propose truth in advertising? How can one name a conference No Limits when the premise of the conference is to associate with others who promote subjective limits for salvation?

Another contradiction.

[chosenbyone]

Lookie who has live services now! I thought NW was a conservative, not!

http://therockchurch.org/video/

I watched a sermon last night that NW did on 2/19 and all I kept wondering where was the anointing? It was painful to watch. The sermon consisted of him pounding fear into the teenagers by accusing them of being worldly and how they could end up dead without God like his sister. He just kept going on and on....

NW seemed desperate for a move of the Holy Ghost, which never materialized. The one word that kept playing in my mind was CONTROL!

[LaVonne]

Lookie who has live services now! I thought NW was a conservative, not!

http://therockchurch.org/video/
Yeah, I was just informed of this happening. I personally feel like it's not a whole lot different than being on TV...pretty hypocritical...jmo

[LaVonne]

I watched a sermon last night that NW did on 2/19 and all I kept wondering where was the anointing? It was painful to watch. The sermon consisted of him pounding fear into the teenagers by accusing them of being worldly and how they could end up dead without God like his sister. He just kept going on and on....

NW seemed desperate for a move of the Holy Ghost, which never materialized. The one word that kept playing in my mind was CONTROL!
This is sad! I will not subject myself or my children to this type of preaching...it is not of God. The scriptures tell us that "we will have life and life more abundantly"...

[Neck]

This is sad! I will not subject myself or my children to this type of preaching...it is not of God. The scriptures tell us that "we will have life and life more abundantly"...

Amen! The preaching of the Cross to us that believe is the power of God.

It might be OK to talk about events as a warning but not as the motivation of an entire sermon.

Preach Christ and him crucified.

Then the Lord will do the rest with the conviction of the heart...

[Whole Hearted]

God Bless Elder Wilson

[CC1]

I believe Rock and Roll church has had a webcast for several years now. This is nothing new. I remember going to ABN Global or whatever that site is and watching NW's introductory video he did with the other pastor there. It was very professionally done.

It just seemed strange seeing an ultra con doing TV..er.....a webcast.

[LaVonne]

I believe Rock and Roll church has had a webcast for several years now. This is nothing new. I remember going to ABN Global or whatever that site is and watching NW's introductory video he did with the other pastor there. It was very professionally done.

It just seemed strange seeing an ultra con doing TV..er.....a webcast.
Actually, I believe this is the first time they are doing their services live.

[CC1]

Actually, I believe this is the first time they are doing their services live.


Oh, I didn't realize that was what was being discussed. I thought it was that they had a webcast and I knew I had watched something of theirs a couple of years ago or so. Sorry about that!!

I loved the comment someone made awhile back on a Tulsa thread that NW is the T.F. Tenney of the UPC!!!! LOL!!!!

[chosenbyone]

This is sad! I will not subject myself or my children to this type of preaching...it is not of God. The scriptures tell us that "we will have life and life more abundantly"...

Amen!!! I remembered when I was younger the scare tactics that were used in order to keep us fearful. Thank God that I have had a revelation of grace and was delivered from the yokes of men. I didn't have to compromise my doctrinal beliefs or my standards in the process.

[LaVonne]

Oh, I didn't realize that was what was being discussed. I thought it was that they had a webcast and I knew I had watched something of theirs a couple of years ago or so. Sorry about that!!

I loved the comment someone made awhile back on a Tulsa thread that NW is the T.F. Tenney of the UPC!!!! LOL!!!!
Yes, they have changed the format and have gone live. No apology necessary! :)

[LaVonne]

Amen!!! I remembered when I was younger the scare tactics that were used in order to keep us fearful. Thank God that I have had a revelation of grace and was delivered from the yokes of men. I didn't have to compromise my doctrinal beliefs or my standards in the process.

Yes...it's typical of UPC to use scare tactics...so WRONG!!!

[A_PoMo]

I was supposed to go hear Brennan Manning on Wed night. But that fell through. Maybe I'll go to this conference since it's not far from my house. It's been awhile since i've been beat up by a preacher. Maybe it'll be fun. I'll enjoy washing my hands in the elaborate copper wash basins in the men's room that I admired the last time I was there. Their bathrooms remind me of something from the Luxor in Vegas. The whole church architecture and decor is over the top, imo, which is interesting considering how uber con they are. The pastoral offices are the most elaborate I've ever seen.

[dizzyde]

I was supposed to go hear Brennan Manning on Wed night. But that fell through. Maybe I'll go to this conference since it's not far from my house. It's been awhile since i've been beat up by a preacher. Maybe it'll be fun. I'll enjoy washing my hands in the elaborate copper wash basins in the men's room that I admired the last time I was there. Their bathrooms remind me of something from the Luxor in Vegas. The whole church architecture and decor is over the top, imo, which is interesting considering how uber con they are. The pastoral offices are the most elaborate I've ever seen.

have fun!! :largehalo

[Minister_WD]

I believe Rock and Roll church has had a webcast for several years now. This is nothing new. I remember going to ABN Global or whatever that site is and watching NW's introductory video he did with the other pastor there. It was very professionally done.

It just seemed strange seeing an ultra con doing TV..er.....a webcast.

lol - although the Rock Church still has a "channel" on ABN, it appears they have parted ways with ABN's ownership.

[jrLA]

Yes...it's typical of UPC to use scare tactics...so WRONG!!!

NO this is not typical! Don't broad stroke!:reaction

[CC1]

lol - although the Rock Church still has a "channel" on ABN, it appears they have parted ways with ABN's ownership.

ABN was a great concept and after a long time they finally came up with a much more user friendly interface. However the feeds just never seemed to work very well for me when I tried to use them..

[LaVonne]

NO this is not typical! Don't broad stroke!:reaction
Hahahaha...I'm not broad stroking...I know what I'm talking about!

[SOUNWORTHY]

Hahahaha...I'm not broad stroking...I know what I'm talking about!

Yes, many of them still do but unless you have visited all UPC churches please don't make rash statements. As far as NW and his new venture I never believed for a minute it had anything to do with TV that is merely an excuse. As I used to tell my students in my high school classes, an excuse is a lie with a thin skin stretched over it. I can't find any real pornography on the TV unless I subscribe to it but I can find it on my computer without even looking for it. One wrong word on Goggle and you are right in the middle of it.This whole thing is so phoney.

[A_PoMo]

It's about power.

[ixtapa]

I don't post often and though I do hold UPC credentials; I have "no dog in this hunt" but I would warn you to be careful for words that might follow you to eternity.

[CC1]

I don't post often and though I do hold UPC credentials; I have "no dog in this hunt" but I would warn you to be careful for words that might follow you to eternity.


Who is your warning directed to? You forgot to add the scripture about "touch not mine annointed" (that preachers use to avoid accountibility sometimes.)

[A_PoMo]

I don't post often and though I do hold UPC credentials; I have "no dog in this hunt" but I would warn you to be careful for words that might follow you to eternity.

Is he talking to me?

[SOUNWORTHY]

Is he talking to me?

If the shoe fits buy two pair...:bliss:

[ReformedDave]

A little off topic but look at this.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nj2JTPjlgk

[chosenbyone]

A little off topic but look at this.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nj2JTPjlgk

My first thought was those poor people were victims of mass hypnotism. My second thought was it was a good thing that they allowed their women to were pants. :woohoo:dance

[pentecostisalive]

I watched a sermon last night that NW did on 2/19 and all I kept wondering where was the anointing? It was painful to watch. The sermon consisted of him pounding fear into the teenagers by accusing them of being worldly and how they could end up dead without God like his sister. He just kept going on and on....

NW seemed desperate for a move of the Holy Ghost, which never materialized. The one word that kept playing in my mind was CONTROL!

It is a good thing that you are judge of anointing, so the rest of us can know what is right and what is wrong.

[A_PoMo]

If the shoe fits buy two pair...:bliss:

I'm from California. We don't wear shoes. Flip flops! :)

[LaVonne]

Who is your warning directed to? You forgot to add the scripture about "touch not mine annointed" (that preachers use to avoid accountibility sometimes.)
It would be nice if he clarified himself...:kickcan

[Sarah]

A little off topic but look at this.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nj2JTPjlgk



Goodness gracious! What is this?

[ReformedDave]

Goodness gracious! What is this?

BOT.........j/k:ursofunny

[ReformedDave]

I'm from California. We don't wear shoes. Flip flops! :)

Everywhere!

[Sarah]

BOT.........j/k:ursofunny



You sure are.....those are not cajuns! LOL

[A_PoMo]

Well, looks like I'm not going to their conference tonight. Mrs. Apomo says we can't afford the gas money. So we're going out to eat together instead. I think that was her circumlocutionary way of saying it was a waste of time. (Especially so since it's only about 15 minute drive from here and I'm sure we'll drive at least that far to go to Chipotle.)

Maybe I'll go on Friday night. That'll give 'em a couple of nights to get warmed up before they preach the good stuff on the last night.

I guess i"ll just watch it on TV...er, I mean the internet instead.

[SOUNWORTHY]

Goodness gracious! What is this?

My sentiments also..also, where is it, I don't want to go there. I though our church did a lot of jumping, dancing and running but nothing compared to that. thank goodness!!

[CC1]

I just went to check out the live online webcast of the No Limits conference. It doesn't start for another hour but they have a nice little advert airing for it. I was surprised because the music behind the clip is about "no limits" with a female soloist but it features almost a heavy metal long guitar riff!!!!! Not what you expect from a no short sleeves, no sports, everything is a sin, kind of place. I truly see why some were saying that NW is the TFT of the WWPF.

[MissionsJD]

Has anyone been able to get the TV feed from No Limits yet? It's not working. I guess No Limits is a No Show.

[pentecostisalive]

It hasn't worked yet for me either. The Radio Link on www.nolimitsonline.org is working, but the video feed is not working.

[CC1]

It didn't work for me for the first five minutes or so but then started working and has been good since.

However now at 10:58 pm CST I am about to click off because I have reached my limit of screaming for one night.

Can Pentecostal preachers be emphatic and make a point without screaming?

[A_PoMo]

I got it to work too. Had to download that Silver thing. Saw Larry Booker preaching for about 30 minutes or so before I got kicked off by the network. I've heard he was a great preacher...it was aight. Saw Paul Price on the platform. Sitting right behind him was a guy I grew up with back home. Haven't seen him for about 10 years. He pastors a church not far from here. Wish I had gone after all, it would have been nice to see him and his wife.

Booker says that it's the one God, Jesus name, holiness people that are holding back God's judgement on California and the rest of the US and Eurppe. I did not know that. Fascinating.

[Sweet Pea]

Got kicked off as well......... wonder what the problem was. Gonna have to listen to the archived service to hear the rest of the story... :tissue I didn't think the picture quality was that great.

I also recognized the young man sitting behind Paul Price. :biggrin:

I found it very interesting the way that NW indicated that CDs were available for sale (no mention of DVDs) and that if you knew someone not able to attend, please let them know that services would be available on the "worldwide web" each day and evening - and you could be blessed over and over again by these services when you went home because they would be archived on the website. What in the world is the difference in "watching" (he NEVER used that word) a DVD of the service or "watching" it on the worldwide web?

[Raven]

I got it to work too. Had to download that Silver thing. Saw Larry Booker preaching for about 30 minutes or so before I got kicked off by the network. I've heard he was a great preacher...it was aight. Saw Paul Price on the platform. Sitting right behind him was a guy I grew up with back home. Haven't seen him for about 10 years. He pastors a church not far from here. Wish I had gone after all, it would have been nice to see him and his wife.

Booker says that it's the one God, Jesus name, holiness people that are holding back God's judgement on California and the rest of the US and Eurppe. I did not know that. Fascinating.
A PoMo

You can go tomorrow. TG will probably be there again. Paul Price was looking well. LB seemed to have my affliction for he kept losing his train of thought at various times. I am a little older and have an excuse but he's relatively young. Wish they would pan the audience slowly because I've got some family there. I believe God's own sovereign plans are dictating any coming judgment and we all may take ourselves a little too seriously sometimes.
Raven

[Sweet Pea]

A PoMo

You can go tomorrow. TG will probably be there again. Paul Price was looking well. LB seemed to have my affliction for he kept losing his train of thought at various times. I am a little older and have an excuse but he's relatively young. Wish they would pan the audience slowly because I've got some family there. I believe God's own sovereign plans are dictating any coming judgment and we all may take ourselves a little too seriously sometimes.
Raven

I was hoping they would pan the audience also. I thought I might see your family as well. :biggrin: There were others I would like to have seen as well.

Did you see Mary talking on her cell phone and waving at the camera when they were "greeting" one another. I had a feeling she might be talking to Priscilla and waving to her.

I agree with your observation regarding his train of thought. A couple of times, it seemed to me that he was struggling. BTW - I don't know HIS age, but he certainly looks older than you indicate he might be.

[Raven]

I was hoping they would pan the audience also. I thought I might see your family as well. :biggrin: There were others I would like to have seen as well.

Did you see Mary talking on her cell phone and waving at the camera when they were "greeting" one another. I had a feeling she might be talking to Priscilla and waving to her.

I agree with your observation regarding his train of thought. A couple of times, it seemed to me that he was struggling. BTW - I don't know HIS age, but he certainly looks older than you indicate he might be.
I missed some of the first part because I had tried earlier and it wasn't working. Yes, Mary is still much the same girl she was when I first knew her. Oh, the tales that could be told but my lips are sealed! Larry Booker is 54 or 55 years old and sorry to say I'm getting to the place where that's sounding young. I think he and Nate should get out and walk everyday from the looks of it. They might live a little longer.
Raven

[A_PoMo]

A PoMo

I believe God's own sovereign plans are dictating any coming judgment and we all may take ourselves a little too seriously sometimes.
Raven

Ok Sweet Pea and Raven. I'm reeealllly intrigued that you know my old buddy TG. I gather from earlier posts that Raven is prob back East somewhere so I'm wondering if you're from my old stomping grounds back there. TG and I grew up at CT under NAU and JL. I remember some good prayer meetings with him in our youth group under Terry Smith. He's a good guy although has always been a little (lot) more conservative than me. I remember when we were in grade school and he already wanted to be a preacher/missionary. I may not agree with his theology but I love his heart. That's why I can't get too mad at these guys, I know too many of them and I know their hearts are the same as mine. We just see God a little differently and it colors our view of Scripture.

Raven, you're right, God is sovereign and we ought not take ourselves too seriously. Amen to that.

If I go tomorrow night I'll wear a big red wig and sit on the front row so that you can't miss me on the video. haha.

God bless ya'll real good!

[Kings Kid]

So, Bro Paul Price was there was Bro Brown there also.

[papapraiz]

Was that Danny Hood sitting on the platform?

[LaVonne]

Got kicked off as well......... wonder what the problem was. Gonna have to listen to the archived service to hear the rest of the story... :tissue I didn't think the picture quality was that great.

I also recognized the young man sitting behind Paul Price. :biggrin:

I found it very interesting the way that NW indicated that CDs were available for sale (no mention of DVDs) and that if you knew someone not able to attend, please let them know that services would be available on the "worldwide web" each day and evening - and you could be blessed over and over again by these services when you went home because they would be archived on the website. What in the world is the difference in "watching" (he NEVER used that word) a DVD of the service or "watching" it on the worldwide web?
They do sell DVD's of their services, because I used to have some of their No Limits conference from a couple of years ago.

[LaVonne]

So, Bro Paul Price was there was Bro Brown there also.
Clayton or little bro?

[Raven]

Ok Sweet Pea and Raven. I'm reeealllly intrigued that you know my old buddy TG. I gather from earlier posts that Raven is prob back East somewhere so I'm wondering if you're from my old stomping grounds back there. TG and I grew up at CT under NAU and JL. I remember some good prayer meetings with him in our youth group under Terry Smith. He's a good guy although has always been a little (lot) more conservative than me. I remember when we were in grade school and he already wanted to be a preacher/missionary. I may not agree with his theology but I love his heart. That's why I can't get too mad at these guys, I know too many of them and I know their hearts are the same as mine. We just see God a little differently and it colors our view of Scripture.

Raven, you're right, God is sovereign and we ought not take ourselves too seriously. Amen to that.

If I go tomorrow night I'll wear a big red wig and sit on the front row so that you can't miss me on the video. haha.

God bless ya'll real good!
A PoMo

No real mystery in me. I left California 15 years ago but still have many connections. SweetPea's I.D. eludes me yet, but I'm getting closer. [I have promised to keep it secret]
As for you A PoMo, I used some powers of deduction and a little help from someone who worked with you and ... presto! Or perhaps ... voila!!! I gotcha, but I'll honor your anonymity and keep it to myself. I will say this: You have a fine mind, a sibling connected to some well known names, a "crafty" spouse, and a childhood of varied worldviews, literally. But in case I'm mistaken ... don't forget the red wig!
Raven

[CC1]

I got it to work too. Had to download that Silver thing. Saw Larry Booker preaching for about 30 minutes or so before I got kicked off by the network. I've heard he was a great preacher...it was aight. Saw Paul Price on the platform. Sitting right behind him was a guy I grew up with back home. Haven't seen him for about 10 years. He pastors a church not far from here. Wish I had gone after all, it would have been nice to see him and his wife.

Booker says that it's the one God, Jesus name, holiness people that are holding back God's judgement on California and the rest of the US and Eurppe. I did not know that. Fascinating.

I forgot to mention that I also had to drink the Microsoft kool aid and download that "Silverlight" thing. I just hope it is not some Microsfot do dad that slows down my system.

I never got kicked off but grew weary of the screaming somewhere toward the end of the sermon and turned it down.

[CC1]

A PoMo

No real mystery in me. I left California 15 years ago but still have many connections. SweetPea's I.D. eludes me yet, but I'm getting closer. [I have promised to keep it secret]
As for you A PoMo, I used some powers of deduction and a little help from someone who worked with you and ... presto! Or perhaps ... voila!!! I gotcha, but I'll honor your anonymity and keep it to myself. I will say this: You have a fine mind, a sibling connected to some well known names, a "crafty" spouse, and a childhood of varied worldviews, literally. But in case I'm mistaken ... don't forget the red wig!
Raven


Raven, you say you will keep his anonymnity but hold your tongue until I PM you my list of bribes!!!:bliss

[Kings Kid]

Clayton or little bro?
I'm talking about Clayton Brown. It also surprises me that Bro.Price was there because the Napa hasn't been told whether or not we are going to leave the Upc.

[A_PoMo]

Oh, I feel so EXPOSED!!! :) I'll demur on the 'fine mind' thing (even though that makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside) but you got the rest of it dead on. I think it was the variety of worldviews that ruined me in some respects. My mind is too open at times. I say 'ruined" tic. My wife is crafty, that's for sure. She's having a baby in three weeks btw. I'm wondering who you are and who it is that worked w/me that 'outed' me. It was prob that ol' redneck RB. He and I used to go around and around about stuff but we loved each other like brothers. I still love the guy. Why is it that I love my conservative friends so much?

I hope you don't think I'm being snarky and mean when I bring this stuff up. I went through my "I HATE "EM ALL!!" phase quite awhile back. But I'm just at a loss to figure out how powerful men can be allowed to wreak havoc on people with seemingly no accountability. I can't reconcile that in my heart. You have no idea how much I wanted to be a true blue UPC'er. I really did. But my mind wouldn't let me and sometimes it still breaks my heart because there is so much good there.

I really am curious as to who you are. I kind outed myself on purpose. You can PM me w/your name and I promise to keep it secret. But if you'd rather not, that's cool. Seriously, I appreciate your kind words. They mean something to me because I felt pretty unappreciated and like a freak when I was there. I've not fully appreciated the spiritual and emotional toll working there had on me until recently as I'm still working through junk from that era of my life and putting them to rest through prayer and prayerful counseling.

Love ya.

A PoMo

No real mystery in me. I left California 15 years ago but still have many connections. SweetPea's I.D. eludes me yet, but I'm getting closer. [I have promised to keep it secret]
As for you A PoMo, I used some powers of deduction and a little help from someone who worked with you and ... presto! Or perhaps ... voila!!! I gotcha, but I'll honor your anonymity and keep it to myself. I will say this: You have a fine mind, a sibling connected to some well known names, a "crafty" spouse, and a childhood of varied worldviews, literally. But in case I'm mistaken ... don't forget the red wig!
Raven

[A_PoMo]

Raven, you say you will keep his anonymnity but hold your tongue until I PM you my list of bribes!!!:bliss

haha.

My first name is Nunya. hahaha!

[dizzyde]

Got kicked off as well......... wonder what the problem was. Gonna have to listen to the archived service to hear the rest of the story... :tissue I didn't think the picture quality was that great.

I also recognized the young man sitting behind Paul Price. :biggrin:

I found it very interesting the way that NW indicated that CDs were available for sale (no mention of DVDs) and that if you knew someone not able to attend, please let them know that services would be available on the "worldwide web" each day and evening - and you could be blessed over and over again by these services when you went home because they would be archived on the website. What in the world is the difference in "watching" (he NEVER used that word) a DVD of the service or "watching" it on the worldwide web?

Yeah, reading all of this, my mind keeps getting stuck on one thing; these people are being watched on a screen, and they just left an organization over being able to be watched on a screen...... :depressed :sad

[A_PoMo]

Did anybody hear the rest of the story after, "He took that sweet little 103 year old darlin' in his arms, carried her down into Powell's pond and baptized her in the wonderful Name of Jesus! And she..." That's where mine got cut off.

[dizzyde]

Did anybody hear the rest of the story after, "He took that sweet little 103 year old darlin' in his arms, carried her down into Powell's pond and baptized her in the wonderful Name of Jesus! And she..." That's where mine got cut off.

decided she was ready to swim the English Channel????? floated off in a cloud of glory???? got out and decided to run the pond three times????

This could be fun!!!! :bliss

[A_PoMo]

I figured she probably made a bee-line for TJ Maxx to get a jean skirt. :)

[Minister_WD]

They are webcasting this morning - Steve Buxton is preaching now.

[Apocrypha]

And this is different from having a TV program.. how?

[A_PoMo]

he said "hook up in the holy ghost' hehe. i wonder if he knows what 'hook up' means. it's funny when preachers try to be cool.

[Raven]

Oh, I feel so EXPOSED!!! :) I'll demur on the 'fine mind' thing (even though that makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside) but you got the rest of it dead on. I think it was the variety of worldviews that ruined me in some respects. My mind is too open at times. I say 'ruined" tic. My wife is crafty, that's for sure. She's having a baby in three weeks btw. I'm wondering who you are and who it is that worked w/me that 'outed' me. It was prob that ol' redneck RB. He and I used to go around and around about stuff but we loved each other like brothers. I still love the guy. Why is it that I love my conservative friends so much?

I hope you don't think I'm being snarky and mean when I bring this stuff up. I went through my "I HATE "EM ALL!!" phase quite awhile back. But I'm just at a loss to figure out how powerful men can be allowed to wreak havoc on people with seemingly no accountability. I can't reconcile that in my heart. You have no idea how much I wanted to be a true blue UPC'er. I really did. But my mind wouldn't let me and sometimes it still breaks my heart because there is so much good there.

I really am curious as to who you are. I kind outed myself on purpose. You can PM me w/your name and I promise to keep it secret. But if you'd rather not, that's cool. Seriously, I appreciate your kind words. They mean something to me because I felt pretty unappreciated and like a freak when I was there. I've not fully appreciated the spiritual and emotional toll working there had on me until recently as I'm still working through junk from that era of my life and putting them to rest through prayer and prayerful counseling.

Love ya.
A PoMo
I still love my conservative friends very much and laugh and talk with them whenever we meet. I've got some real "winners" too in that camp. Namely VM and NW for starters but I would come to their rescue in a heartbeat! [ I have a feeling that day may come. ]
No, A PoMo, it wasn't RB the retired rodeo star so rest at ease. This person probably wrote your big paycheck that you received at CLC. That should be enough information for your agile mind to figure out the rest. I'm really no one important although I do know many important ones. I do know where you are coming from for I find myself in a similar place. Often God has to get us off to ourselves for Himself so that He can accomplish His purpose in our lives. I am confident of this one thing, God is in control and everything's going to be alright. God's not worried so I'm not worried. Now, if I looked over there and saw God biting His fingernails ...... HELP!!!
Raven

[A_PoMo]

A PoMo
I still love my conservative friends very much and laugh and talk with them whenever we meet. I've got some real "winners" too in that camp. Namely VM and NW for starters but I would come to their rescue in a heartbeat! [ I have a feeling that day may come. ]
No, A PoMo, it wasn't RB the retired rodeo star so rest at ease. This person probably wrote your big paycheck that you received at CLC. That should be enough information for your agile mind to figure out the rest. I'm really no one important although I do know many important ones. I do know where you are coming from for I find myself in a similar place. Often God has to get us off to ourselves for Himself so that He can accomplish His purpose in our lives. I am confident of this one thing, God is in control and everything's going to be alright. God's not worried so I'm not worried. Now, if I looked over there and saw God biting His fingernails ...... HELP!!!
Raven

Big paycheck!!:ursofunny :ursofunny. That big paycheck is why my wife had to get so crafty. :ursofunny

Seriously though, if it's who I think it is then he's been mistreated as well. Was he the one always complaining about how loud GW cranked the PA? He's a good guy albeit misunderstood even still today. He and I had some good lunches together and he always was kind to me, and always approved my vouchers in a timely manner.

I forgot about the rodeo bit. That dude was a trip. The ladies in the office (Rhoda, et al) thought we hated each other because we argued so much about stuff. But we always hugged and made up and said it was iron sharpening iron. Even though we clearly disagreed on issues I think we understood each others heart and therein was the basis of our mutual respect. He'd always call me "Liberal" and I'd always call him "Redneck" and we'd both laugh. I'm glad he's doing so well up there in the frozen tundra.

Someday I'll tell you about the time I ran into VM at one of the casinos in Tahoe. Ha! Now that's funny, I don't care who y'ar. I guess I better clarify that it was at the buffet. The good one. He was very cordial and kind as well even though I was nervous as a chicken at KFC.

You're right, God is in control. I've been learning about Calvinism in school lately. I like some of their attitude in regards to Gods' sovereignty. Sometimes us libertarian free-will Arminians too easily forget that God is still God and we're not. :)

[Raven]

I know who you think you're talking about but this person is a whole lot prettier than EA! Now I respect EA so don't take me wrong but he's not who gave me the "clue" and yes I actually feel sorry for him because he always tried hard but had a hard time trying.

[Raven]

And this is different from having a TV program.. how?
TV was a "red herring". It never was about TV. It was about who would be in control and who would set the "agenda" for the future. The desire to leave the UPCI and form another fellowship goes back many, many, years for some of these people. It doesn't matter to me what they do, but it would be nice to hear some unadorned [good con word] statements that actually revealed their true motives and goals. No spin!
Raven

[CC1]

he said "hook up in the holy ghost' hehe. i wonder if he knows what 'hook up' means. it's funny when preachers try to be cool.

Did he mention if he has been "hangin' with his posse"?:bliss

Die NW introduce LB as one of his "peeps"?

[CC1]

TV was a "red herring". It never was about TV. It was about who would be in control and who would set the "agenda" for the future. The desire to leave the UPCI and form another fellowship goes back many, many, years for some of these people. It doesn't matter to me what they do, but it would be nice to hear some unadorned [good con word] statements that actually revealed their true motives and goals. No spin!
Raven

I disagree. I think for many of the conservatives and ultra con TV is a huge thing. Maybe not to NW and a few but it deinitely is a hot button for many.

[A_PoMo]

I know who you think you're talking about but this person is a whole lot prettier than EA! Now I respect EA so don't take me wrong but he's not who gave me the "clue" and yes I actually feel sorry for him because he always tried hard but had a hard time trying.

LR?

You're killin' me here!! :)

[A_PoMo]

TV was a "red herring". It never was about TV. It was about who would be in control and who would set the "agenda" for the future. The desire to leave the UPCI and form another fellowship goes back many, many, years for some of these people. It doesn't matter to me what they do, but it would be nice to hear some unadorned [good con word] statements that actually revealed their true motives and goals. No spin!
Raven


With all respect to my friend CC1, i tend to agree. It's about power and prestige, the axis of evil for ministry types.

[A_PoMo]

Did he mention if he has been "hangin' with his posse"?:bliss

Die NW introduce LB as one of his "peeps"?

When they start using words like "props" and "f'shnizzle" i'll start complaining in writing! :)

[Raven]

I disagree. I think for many of the conservatives and ultra con TV is a huge thing. Maybe not to NW and a few but it deinitely is a hot button for many.
Yes, I agree, TV is a hotbutton and even is with NW.[as inconsistant as it may seem] But TV just happened to be the convenient vehicle of the moment because the "unrest" and desire for "change" was always bubbling close to the surface for quite some time. I don't think it would have happened so rapidly or dramatically for perhaps a few more years but for NW's forceful personality. Don't fool yourself, and the Godair's and Odom's to the contrary, NW is the driving force!
Raven

[Raven]

LR?

You're killin' me here!! :)
As ever was. It's true! Small cyber world, huh?

[LaVonne]

I'm talking about Clayton Brown. It also surprises me that Bro.Price was there because the Napa hasn't been told whether or not we are going to leave the Upc.
I'm VERY surprised that both Bro. Brown and Price were there...

[A_PoMo]

As ever was. It's true! Small cyber world, huh?

Ok, let me get this straight. You're LR or are you her hubby? Or neither and you just called her?

Yup, it IS a small world.

[Kings Kid]

I'm VERY surprised that both Bro. Brown and Price were there...
Actually it doesn't surprise me that Bro. Price was there. But I'm trying to figure out if Bro.Brown was there or not.

[pentecostisalive]

Awesome conference so far. I have really enjoyed the preaching.

[CC1]

Awesome conference so far. I have really enjoyed the preaching.


Glad somebody is enjoying it. I hope LB straightened you out last night!!! At least the wax should have been knocked out of your ears.

When I would turn it loud enough to hear him speaking softly he would immediately, and without warning, scream like a banshee.

I was blessed during my UPC years to be around powerful speakers who did not resort to screaming. I cannot take it. I am not some kind of idiot that has to be screamed at to know you are sincere in your point. Arghhhh!!!!

[A_PoMo]

When I would turn it loud enough to hear him speaking softly he would immediately, and without warning, scream like a banshee.

Arghhhh!!!!
:ursofunny

Me too! I'd lean forward, straining to hear and then he'd SCREAM and I'd jump back and start hitting the down volume button. It was comical.

[Kings Kid]

Glad somebody is enjoying it. I hope LB straightened you out last night!!! At least the wax should have been knocked out of your ears.

When I would turn it loud enough to hear him speaking softly he would immediately, and without warning, scream like a banshee.

I was blessed during my UPC years to be around powerful speakers who did not resort to screaming. I cannot take it. I am not some kind of idiot that has to be screamed at to know you are sincere in your point. Arghhhh!!!!
I totally agree with you. But I guess that they feel like they have to scream to get their point across.

[A_PoMo]

Something I've noticed too at this conference. So far I've not heard anything that I haven't heard 1000 times before. OT stories about some miraculous move of God, people becoming super-prayer warriors, brush arbor stories, and copious references to anointing oil and how "GAWD'S lookin' for SUMBODEH to be a JOASH and reach the WAAARRLLLDD!!! They're WAITIN' for what we GOT!!" Is this the only stuff preached at these sorts of conferences? if so, then why do people continue to go? I'd rather go to Catalyst conference or something and hear something interesting and informative.

I miss Lee Stoneking. I remember once he preached at Landmark and took his text from the National Enquirer about some space aliens and said that we ought all to be more "spacey!". Seriously. It was incredibly illuminating and I've never forgotten it. Parrful stuff!

[CC1]

:ursofunny

Me too! I'd lean forward, straining to hear and then he'd SCREAM and I'd jump back and start hitting the down volume button. It was comical.

All last night I was thankful that I had sprung the extra 15 bucks for the multimedia keyboard when I ordered my new Dell a couple of months ago. My keyboard has a nice round volume control sticking up that you can grab and twist quickly. With the other computer I would have been grabbing the mouse every few seconds and been furiously trying to get the volume slider down.

[LaVonne]

Actually it doesn't surprise me that Bro. Price was there. But I'm trying to figure out if Bro.Brown was there or not.
I didn't think he (PP) was going to be a part of that group anymore...interesting.

[CC1]

I didn't think he (PP) was going to be a part of that group anymore...interesting.

Why did you think that? Are they too liberal for him?

[Kings Kid]

I didn't think he (PP) was going to be a part of that group anymore...interesting.
Well the last few months we have a lot more on standards and doctrine. And also Bro.Price is pretty close to LB. Also Bro.Brown 's brother Carl Brown pastors LBs spanish daughter work.

[CC1]

Well the last few months we have a lot more on standards and doctrine. And also Bro.Price is pretty close to LB. Also Bro.Brown 's brother Carl Brown pastors LBs spanish daughter work.

Just think. You may have gone to your last UPC GC and campmeeting!!! It looks like Tulsa World is in your future!!!!:bliss

[Kings Kid]

Just think. You may have gone to your last UPC GC and campmeeting!!! It looks like Tulsa World is in your future!!!!:bliss
Yeah I know it disappointing I thought that they wouldn't drag Napa into this.

[CC1]

Yeah I know it disappointing I thought that they wouldn't drag Napa into this.


I am afraid this whole WWPF / UPC thing is going to get a lot messier than I had hoped. I still think in the long run it is a good thing though that will bring unity to both groups.

[Kings Kid]

I am afraid this whole WWPF / UPC thing is going to get a lot messier than I had hoped. I still think in the long run it is a good thing though that will bring unity to both groups.
Yeah it will get a whole lot messier. I hope that it will bring unity within both groups.

[LaVonne]

Why did you think that? Are they too liberal for him?
No, not at all...LOL

I had heard that he was no longer connected with these guys...I'm just very surprised at this...wonder what his family thinks?

[LaVonne]

Well the last few months we have a lot more on standards and doctrine. And also Bro.Price is pretty close to LB. Also Bro.Brown 's brother Carl Brown pastors LBs spanish daughter work.
How well I know...I am from Oregon and the Browns are well known there.

Alot more...preaching on standards and doctrine?

[Kings Kid]

How well I know...I am from Oregon and the Browns are well known there.

Alot more...preaching on standards and doctrine?
Yeah very well known. Yes, ever since the t.v. issue went at conference we have been getting a healthy dose of doctrine and standards and a lot of preaching on sin which can mean only one thing that they have aligned themselves with Booker. Besides there are other reasons why I believe we are with them.

[LaVonne]

Yeah very well known. Yes, ever since the t.v. issue went at conference we have been getting a healthy dose of doctrine and standards and a lot of preaching on sin which can mean only one thing that they have aligned themselves with Booker. Besides there are other reasons why I believe we are with them.
Hmmm...I notice you said "we". PM incoming!

[Kings Kid]

Hmmm...I notice you said "we". PM incoming!
I meant to say our church.

[LaVonne]

I meant to say our church.
That's what I thought you meant...read the pm...Please! :)

[Kings Kid]

That's what I thought you meant...read the pm...Please! :)

I read your pm Carey.

[LaVonne]

I read your pm Carey.
Thanks for the reply!

[Kings Kid]

Who's preaching the conference tonight.

[BHILL]

haha.

My first name is Nunya. hahaha!

Was your grandmothers name Rosy?We lovingly called her nosy Rosy.

[Kings Kid]

When is Bro.Emory suppose to preach.

[bishoph]

When is Bro.Emory suppose to preach.

Bro. Emory cancelled

[A_PoMo]

Was your grandmothers name Rosy?We lovingly called her nosy Rosy.

Nosy Rosy, may she rest in peace. She of the big bumper hair barrette and her love of figure skating. She and Doc are missed.

Who are you?

[Minister_WD]

When is Bro.Emory suppose to preach.

Bro. Emory and Bro. Godwin were originally scheduled for Friday night, and Bro. Tom Foster for tonight, but all three have canceled out.

[A_PoMo]

Maybe one of the cadets will preach.

They're the youngsters on the back row w/the name tags. They are there to serve the whims of the Bishop and the Pastor. Nice kids w/good attitudes.

Who knows, maybe they'll cast lots to figure it out.

[Minister_WD]

Bro. Emory cancelled

Do you know who the replacement speakers are?

[A_PoMo]

Am I the only one who thinks this is hilarious that we're all waiting w/bated breath to know who we'll see next on "No Limits" the latest installment of reality TV? It's almost like "The Surreal Life".

[Kings Kid]

Am I the only one who thinks this is hilarious that we're all waiting w/bated breath to know who we'll see next on "No Limits" the latest installment of reality TV? It's almost like "The Surreal Life".
Actually it really is funny. Who will they find to preach tonight.

[A_PoMo]

Maybe it's gonna be Juanita Bynum. That'd be interesting. Maybe they could do a Pay-Per-View thing to offset the conference expenses. I'd pay to see that! Especially if they'd pan the audience and the preacher platform posse. The looks on their faces would be priceless.

[Kings Kid]

Maybe it will be Benny Hinn or Joyce Meyer.

[A_PoMo]

Joyce Meyer!! Yes!! Perfect!!! hahaha!

[Sweet Pea]

Last night they announced that it would be Pastor Myles Young.....

[Kings Kid]

Last night they announced that it would be Pastor Myles Young.....
Keeping it in the family.

[George]

[QUOTE=A_PoMo;408722]Maybe it's gonna be Juanita Bynum. That'd be interesting. Maybe they could do a Pay-Per-View thing to offset the conference expenses. I'd pay to see that! Especially if they'd pan the audience and the preacher platform posse. The looks on their faces would be priceless.[/QUOTE

:ursofunny That was the best laugh of the day. Pay-Per-View could be the financial answer. I'm with you - they would have to slowly pan the audience and many close-ups on the platform posse.

[A_PoMo]

haha. They could do a WWF type thing and have her come out from behind screen with smoke and some of them "colored lights" and strobes and maybe a couple of the cadet studs could flank her on either side. Maybe some bumpin' Kirk Franklin music. Keep her in the dark until right before she got to the pulpit and then slam on a spot in dramatic fashion. It'd be great TV! Especially if it was Joyce Meyer. She even creeps me out!

Myles huh? Wow, they dug deep for that one.

[Kings Kid]

haha. They could do a WWF type thing and have her come out from behind screen with smoke and some of them "colored lights" and strobes and maybe a couple of the cadet studs could flank her on either side. Maybe some bumpin' Kirk Franklin music. Keep her in the dark until right before she got to the pulpit and then slam on a spot in dramatic fashion. It'd be great TV! Especially if it was Joyce Meyer. She even creeps me out!

Myles huh? Wow, they dug deep for that one.

Yeah they did or maybe they flipped a coin.

[Minister_WD]

haha. They could do a WWF type thing and have her come out from behind screen with smoke and some of them "colored lights" and strobes and maybe a couple of the cadet studs could flank her on either side. Maybe some bumpin' Kirk Franklin music. Keep her in the dark until right before she got to the pulpit and then slam on a spot in dramatic fashion. It'd be great TV! Especially if it was Joyce Meyer. She even creeps me out!

Myles huh? Wow, they dug deep for that one.

LOL - Interesting that they went with Myles...

According to his blog, he wasn't originally scheduled to speak: http://pastormylesyoung.blogspot.com/2008/02/no-limits-08.html

[AmazingGrace]

LOL - Interesting that they went with Myles...

According to his blog, he wasn't originally scheduled to speak: http://pastormylesyoung.blogspot.com/2008/02/no-limits-08.html

Well ya know... they arent just flooded with options at this point! LOL:ursofunny

[George]

Well ya know... they arent just flooded with options at this point! LOL:ursofunny

Yep! :ursofunny

[Kings Kid]

Maybe they need to pray for a miracle.

[AmazingGrace]

Maybe they need to pray for a miracle.

I think they need a healer :reaction

[dizzyde]

I think they need a healer :reaction

Hey girl, where you been hiding at???? :tissue

[Minister_WD]

Will be interesting to see if Myles mentions TV advertising as his father-in-law did this morning!

[A_PoMo]

i just logged in and the audience is just sitting there and nobody is on the platform. they must all be out looking for a speaker.

[AmazingGrace]

Hey girl, where you been hiding at???? :tissue

In the froooozzzzeeeennnnn south!!! (that just dont sound right!!)

I have been so busy! I know I know I need to not run off like that but well ummm uhhhh hmmm I couldnt help myself. Seriously... I got all new furniture for a late christmas gift from hubby and well a new little tv ;) and so I had to rearrange my whole world to work that into my house lol... then Rob had surgery to remove a tumor out of his back 2 weeks ago and then he had lasik last Friday and then we in the middle of that we had to go to Missouri to check on my bio dad who had a stroke and its just been absolutely insane.... LOL

[Kings Kid]

i just logged in and the audience is just sitting there and nobody is on the platform. they must all be out looking for a speaker.
They could be out looking for a speaker but they could be in the back drawing straws to see who's going to preaching.

[AmazingGrace]

They could be out looking for a speaker but they could be in the back drawing straws to see who's going to preaching.

ROFL!!

[A_PoMo]

hey, i like the music. the guitar is killer.

[Monkeyman]

Ok Sweet Pea and Raven. I'm reeealllly intrigued that you know my old buddy TG. I gather from earlier posts that Raven is prob back East somewhere so I'm wondering if you're from my old stomping grounds back there. TG and I grew up at CT under NAU and JL. I remember some good prayer meetings with him in our youth group under Terry Smith. He's a good guy although has always been a little (lot) more conservative than me. I remember when we were in grade school and he already wanted to be a preacher/missionary. I may not agree with his theology but I love his heart. That's why I can't get too mad at these guys, I know too many of them and I know their hearts are the same as mine. We just see God a little differently and it colors our view of Scripture.

Raven, you're right, God is sovereign and we ought not take ourselves too seriously. Amen to that.

If I go tomorrow night I'll wear a big red wig and sit on the front row so that you can't miss me on the video. haha.

God bless ya'll real good!We waterskied on a river didn't we????

[A_PoMo]

We waterskied on a river didn't we????

geez, now EVERYBODY knows who I am. Yet Diz and Sweet Pea won't fess up.

What up yo. Still love me dude?

Hey, the guy on the acoustic guitar is rockin' out @ NW's. Way cool.

[Sweet Pea]

There's your friend TG....... :D

[dizzyde]

In the froooozzzzeeeennnnn south!!! (that just dont sound right!!)

I have been so busy! I know I know I need to not run off like that but well ummm uhhhh hmmm I couldnt help myself. Seriously... I got all new furniture for a late christmas gift from hubby and well a new little tv ;) and so I had to rearrange my whole world to work that into my house lol... then Rob had surgery to remove a tumor out of his back 2 weeks ago and then he had lasik last Friday and then we in the middle of that we had to go to Missouri to check on my bio dad who had a stroke and its just been absolutely insane.... LOL

Seriously, you need to slow down, take a break, get a little AFF time in, girl!

[Sweet Pea]

Whoa............. don't tell me he ain't seen a Mastercard commercial!!!!:ursofunny

[Monkeyman]

geez, now EVERYBODY knows who I am. Yet Diz and Sweet Pea won't fess up.

What up yo. Still love me dude?

Hey, the guy on the acoustic guitar is rockin' out @ NW's. Way cool.Well, not the kissy kissy kinda love but yup, you aiight.

[Monkeyman]

TV errr, Webcast link?

[Minister_WD]

geez, now EVERYBODY knows who I am. Yet Diz and Sweet Pea won't fess up.

What up yo. Still love me dude?

Hey, the guy on the acoustic guitar is rockin' out @ NW's. Way cool.

His name is Jason Pearcy, went to IBC but now is in Parsons, TN.

He is there for a music conference the Rock put on - http://www.innovateworship.org/

[Kings Kid]

Has anyone come onto the platform yet.

[Monkeyman]

Actually it don't matter cuz I gotta split.

[A_PoMo]

Well, not the kissy kissy kinda love but yup, you aiight.

that's ok. i don't kiss monkeys. :)

Tim Grayson is literally throwing money at the crowd.Dang I knew I should have gone tonight! Coulda got gas money...and paid for my red wig. :)

[Sweet Pea]

TV errr, Webcast link?

http://therockchurch.org/video/

[A_PoMo]

Whoa............. don't tell me he ain't seen a Mastercard commercial!!!!:ursofunny

priceless! ahahahahaha!

[AmazingGrace]

Seriously, you need to slow down, take a break, get a little AFF time in, girl!

LOL Rob is gone to work for 2 weeks... whew... No more rearranging the house or trying to put together some assembly required tv stands or running to 5 dozen drs appts... so yea... I am here for a couple weeks... I am curled up on my new couch with my laptop sitting by the fire and seriously debating on going to bed right here and then I can get up in the morning and do nothing! They have already called snow days for the kids sooooooooooooooo I dont have to wake up!! LOL Then I will return to AFF in the morning.. ummm... afternoon... ummm when I wake up LOL

I am on slowwwww drive now! I got all my grocery shopping done for the next 2 weeks too! So If I had to go anywhere it would be for milk and bread only... I seriously have the plan to do nothing but take kids to school and pick them up! Tired of running and........

Sorry for the thread hijack!

[A_PoMo]

man, that is an...um...an "interesting" dress. She has an eclectic style. Who is she and can she sing in more than one note?

[Sweet Pea]

Could be mistaken.... but I "think" that is Sheila Young.

[dizzyde]

man, that is an...um...an "interesting" dress. She has an eclectic style. Who is she and can she sing in more than one note?

Chuckle. Sheila Young, the daughter.

[dizzyde]

Are we getting a complete listing of every preacher there? Did this happen last night?

Is anyone else having a problem with the feed, or is it just my wonderful connection?

[Sweet Pea]

yep, I'm having some connection problem as well

[Sweet Pea]

Did anyone else catch the reference to the "ordination" of 13 to 14 ministers tomorrow night? Is it ordination by The Rock Church or by WWPF? :kickcan

[dizzyde]

yep, I'm having some connection problem as well

Oh, well, good to know, I was getting really mad at my service provider, now I don't have to make an angry phone call tomorrow! LOL!!

[dizzyde]

Did anyone else catch the reference to the "ordination" of 13 to 14 ministers tomorrow night? Is it ordination by The Rock Church or by WWPF? :kickcan

My understanding is that they (the new org.) aren't licensing, but things keep changing, so I really don't know. My guess is that it is the church doing it.

[A_PoMo]

no connection problems here.

dang it. i could have gone to nw' house! i knew i should have gone tonight! do you think they'd let a gncm guy like me in?

[Kings Kid]

Did anyone else catch the reference to the "ordination" of 13 to 14 ministers tomorrow night? Is it ordination by The Rock Church or by WWPF? :kickcan
My guess would be ordination might be for the WWPF.

[dizzyde]

no connection problems here.

dang it. i could have gone to nw' house! i knew i should have gone tonight! do you think they'd let a gncm guy like me in?

NO! :laffatu

Did you get my PM?

[Sweet Pea]

But didn't they say they weren't going to ordain or give license?

[A_PoMo]

yeah, he kind of mumbled what that was for.

hey, that long haired chick can really sing. you know, the one in the dress.

[Sweet Pea]

no connection problems here.

dang it. i could have gone to nw' house! i knew i should have gone tonight! do you think they'd let a gncm guy like me in?

Sure - if you told them you wanted to be a part of WWPF. :ursofunny

[Sweet Pea]

Reckon why he has BJW sitting right beside him - but didn't acknowledge him?

[A_PoMo]

hey i wonder if robbie mitchell is brining his dad next year? :)

[dizzyde]

Reckon why he has BJW sitting right beside him - but didn't acknowledge him?

That makes more sad than any other part of this, I love that guy. His family is precious to me, I hate that they left, but I understand the reasons why.

[Sweet Pea]

That makes more sad than any other part of this, I love that guy. His family is precious to me, I hate that they left, but I understand the reasons why.


Same here...... he is the one I hated the most to see leave..... a GREAT man!

[Sweet Pea]

I wanted them to do the "meet & greet" thing again tonight so that I could see more of the crowd....

[dizzyde]

Same here...... he is the one I hated the most to see leave..... a GREAT man!

Agreed!!

[dizzyde]

So, caught the side shot, JS is there. That is troubling.

[Minister_WD]

So, caught the side shot, JS is there. That is troubling.

Interesting.... wonder which way he is leaning?

[Kings Kid]

Who else is there.

[A_PoMo]

isn't it funny how preachers will sit up in their chairs, put their hands on their knees and start looking around at each other when they like what the preacher is saying?

[dizzyde]

Interesting.... wonder which way he is leaning?

Last I heard, up in the air.

[Kings Kid]

Actually it is very comical but the ones that are on the platform playing around with their PDAS.

[A_PoMo]

They're texting back home to the mothership in St. Louis. "No, I am not in Sacramento."

[dizzyde]

Bye ya'll, had all the fun I can take for one night! :bored

[A_PoMo]

"Pentecostals have camped out on experience and missed out on the mission of Christ to be equipped by God to change the world!" that's good preaching. amen Rev.C.Myles Young!

[Kings Kid]

They're texting back home to the mothership in St. Louis. "No, I am not in Sacramento."

Funny.

[Sweet Pea]

Yes.......... he is saying some good things....

[Kings Kid]

"Pentecostals have camped out on experience and missed out on the mission of Christ to be equipped by God to change the world!" that's good preaching. amen Rev.C.Myles Young!
Sounds Like good preaching. Could you please tell me what other Ministers are sitting on the platform.

[A_PoMo]

the ones i know are tim grayson, bj wilmoth, robbie mitchell, johnny godair and one of his brothers. vaughn morton is there too.

[Sweet Pea]

K Godair, J Godair, T Grayson, B Wilmoth, R Mitchell and others

[Kings Kid]

Tim Grayson is he planning on going with them.

[Sweet Pea]

Tim Grayson is he planning on going with them.

He already did........

[A_PoMo]

It's interesting that he kinda bagged a little bit on the latest and greatest in the bible bookstore but then the premise of his sermon is based on the latest and greatest trend in those books...missionlogy.

[Kings Kid]

Is Bro.Price there again tonight.

[Sweet Pea]

Is Bro.Price there again tonight.

Several references have been made to and about him.... but he is not sitting on the platform - and I haven't seen him

[Kings Kid]

I'm surprised that Tim Grayson went them he just preached for us not to long ago.

[Kings Kid]

A lot of those men do respect Bro.Price so that's why his name is being brought up.

[A_PoMo]

that was a good point about the limited effectiveness of tv evangelism. i agree w/that.

[Kings Kid]

I wonder if my pastors brother is there.

[A_PoMo]

wow. this is some good preaching. about sodom and gom and why god thought they were so wicked. because they were proud, rich, and idle. like westerners. amen bro. you're preaching bono's sermon!

[A_PoMo]

what an awesome quote about materialism from aw tozer! seriously, that was good.

aw tozer is one of my favorite trini writers.

[LaVonne]

He already did........
I'm disappointed...always liked Tim Grayson.

[staysharp]

wow. this is some good preaching. about sodom and gom and why god thought they were so wicked. because they were proud, rich, and idle. like westerners. amen bro. you're preaching bono's sermon!

This whole message is more ironic than real. He's preaching about abundance and how we should give it up. Just look at the pulpit, it looks like it belongs on TBN, it cost at least 10K. This church is so gody and over the top. This is just more double talk. How can anyone take this seriously?

[LaVonne]

This whole message is more ironic than real. He's preaching about abundance and how we should give it up. Just look at the pulpit, it looks like it belongs on TBN, it cost at least 10K. This church is so gody and over the top. This is just more double talk. How can anyone take this seriously?
Have you seen their homes?

[staysharp]

Have you seen their homes?

No, enlighten me.

[Kings Kid]

I'm disappointed...always liked Tim Grayson.
That disappoints me also. The odd thing is he preached for us in Jan.

[Minister_WD]

This whole message is more ironic than real. He's preaching about abundance and how we should give it up. Just look at the pulpit, it looks like it belongs on TBN, it cost at least 10K. This church is so gody and over the top. This is just more double talk. How can anyone take this seriously?

:couch

[Sweet Pea]

Ironic........... I have heard KH talk about this same type mission program for many years....

[Minister_WD]

That disappoints me also. The odd thing is he preached for us in Jan.

Disappointed as well...

Did Chris Craft cancel out as well? He was supposed to preach Friday morning.

[staysharp]

Sorry, but I felt absolutely nothing from this message. "Get under a burden?" What does that mean? Sell all you have and give to the missions program? Why don't we start with selling the church and moving in a metal building. These guys talk about evangelizing the world, and yet refuse to use the most effective method available in modern times...TV?

It sounds good, makes the crowd cry at the altar...booohhhhooooo

[Minister_WD]

Ironic........... I have heard KH talk about this same type mission program for many years....

This conference appears to be the launching of the WPF Foreign Missions Program.

[Sweet Pea]

This conference appears to be the launching of the WPF Foreign Missions Program.

I agree.........

[Kings Kid]

Agreed.

[Minister_WD]

I agree.........

Are some of these missionaries they are raising PIMs for currently UPC missionaries? Or are they missionaries not connected to the UPC at all?

[Sweet Pea]

These are native missionaries

[Kings Kid]

It sounds like to me that they have started there forgein missions department off with a bang. So are they going to do that for the rest of the departments.

[Minister_WD]

These are native missionaries

Interesting....

Wonder if Steve Allard and Ed Allard are going with the WPF?

[Kings Kid]

Does anybody know if Tom Bracken is going with the WPF.

[jrLA]

Did he just say that they would use any technology possible to spread the gospel?

WOw

[Sweet Pea]

Did he just say that they would use any technology possible to spread the gospel?

WOw

He said any technology that wouldn't violate their apostolic principals.

[jrLA]

He said any technology that wouldn't violate their apostolic principals.

Oh ok....must have jumped the gun there. Scared me for a minute! Lol

[Sweet Pea]

Their web broadcast needs so MAJOR help!

[Minister_WD]

Their web broadcast needs so MAJOR help!

I agree... nowhere near CLC's Quality!!!

[A_PoMo]

who's the thin guy bagging on mormons?

[Minister_WD]

who's the thin guy bagging on mormons?

Br. Johnny King - former DS of the Canadian Plains District as of last week.

[Sweet Pea]

Isn't that Johnny King? Maybe I'm wrong.

[A_PoMo]

Ah...the infamous Johnny King of world wide web fame!

[A_PoMo]

And so it ends for the night. I'll see you tomorrow night. Same bat time, same bat channel. Night ya'll.

[Kings Kid]

Has it ended yet.

[Sweet Pea]

Just recently, our church gave over 120K (not pledges - actual money counted and check written) in one service for Brother Willoughby's ministry in Singapore - in one service. It was an awesome move of God....

[Sweet Pea]

Has it ended yet.


It's over - now we can go fellowship with all the preacher's at Bishop's home... :bliss:bliss:bliss

[Minister_WD]

It's over - now we can go fellowship with all the preacher's at Bishop's home... :bliss:bliss:bliss

LOL - I find it interesting that they did not mention Friday night's speakers. Bro Wilson did say that they were going to ordain some native missionaries though.

The WPF missions program is now in full swing.

[Kings Kid]

LOL - I find it interesting that they did not mention Friday night's speakers. Bro Wilson did say that they were going to ordain some native missionaries though.

The WPF missions program is now in full swing.
Rumor has it that Joel Osteen might make an apperance tomorrow night.

[Sweet Pea]

LOL - I find it interesting that they did not mention Friday night's speakers. Bro Wilson did say that they were going to ordain some native missionaries though.

The WPF missions program is now in full swing.

I thought that I heard it mentioned that NW would be speaking on Friday night. Maybe I misunderstood. And I didn't hear that the ordinations would be only native missionaries. Guess I should have listened a little closer to some of it. :bored

Regarding the service on Thursday night.....

I got the impression when they were raising the money for these native missionaries that either No Limits would be their Missions Conference next year - or their General Conference.

[Raven]

SweetPea!
You either go to sleep late or get up real early. You better get some rest or you will be nodding off during NW's message tonite.
Raven

[Barb]

SweetPea!
You either go to sleep late or get up real early. You better get some rest or you will be nodding off during NW's message tonite.
Raven

LOL!! That would be hard for me to do...wish I were there...

[LaVonne]

Sorry, but I felt absolutely nothing from this message. "Get under a burden?" What does that mean? Sell all you have and give to the missions program? Why don't we start with selling the church and moving in a metal building. These guys talk about evangelizing the world, and yet refuse to use the most effective method available in modern times...TV?

It sounds good, makes the crowd cry at the altar...booohhhhooooo
As to your previous question...their homes are huge and elaborate...so these kind of messages mean nothing to me...they don't live what they preach...jmo.

[LaVonne]

Does anybody know if Tom Bracken is going with the WPF.
NO way...I cannot believe he would do it.

[LaVonne]

Just recently, our church gave over 120K (not pledges - actual money counted and check written) in one service for Brother Willoughby's ministry in Singapore - in one service. It was an awesome move of God....
Oooohhh, you must be from CLC...I heard about that...So awesome...the Willoughby's are true Christians.

[CC1]

Is this Robbie Mitchell's dad R.L. Mitchell who used to pastor in Houston?

[A_PoMo]

SweetPea!
You either go to sleep late or get up real early. You better get some rest or you will be nodding off during NW's message tonite.
Raven


He has a funny way of saying "Amen!" It sounds like he's saying "ABAN!"

[A_PoMo]

Is this Robbie Mitchell's dad R.L. Mitchell who used to pastor in Houston?

Ya. "Angel" Mitchell. Not high on my list of true prophets.

[A_PoMo]

As to your previous question...their homes are huge and elaborate...so these kind of messages mean nothing to me...they don't live what they preach...jmo.

May be. But I do like their vision, as stated.

[CC1]

Ya. "Angel" Mitchell. Not high on my list of true prophets.

Wow! I had no idea that R.L. had an ultra con son. That is very interesting.

I visited R.L.s church one time back in the late 70's while I was in Houston. It was one of my most interesting church visits. I have a knack for stumbling across werid situations.

[dizzyde]

Interesting....

Wonder if Steve Allard and Ed Allard are going with the WPF?

Not last I heard, I'm surprised SA was there.

[dizzyde]

Tim Grayson is he planning on going with them.

He already did........

That is true? Last I heard, he had changed his mind. I am disappointed.

[A_PoMo]

Wow! I had no idea that R.L. had an ultra con son. That is very interesting.

I visited R.L.s church one time back in the late 70's while I was in Houston. It was one of my most interesting church visits. I have a knack for stumbling across werid situations.

Yeah, I have a tough time avoiding weird situations too. RLM came to a church I attended about five years ago. It was good for the first three weeks. But then the next two months were absolutely horrendous. He almost split the church, drove a wedge between the pastor and the asst. pastor and contributed to the asst. getting fired, and to this day the church is still suffering from the negative affects of his "ministry". My best advice for anybody who sees him coming, grab your wallet and run for the hills.

[Sweet Pea]

SweetPea!
You either go to sleep late or get up real early. You better get some rest or you will be nodding off during NW's message tonite.
Raven


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I must be addicted..... Am I the only one that sneaks a peak at the computer (e-mail, response to posts etc.) when they have to get up in the middle of the night?

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[BHILL]

[QUOTE=CC1;409075]Wow! I had no idea that R.L. had an ultra con son. That is very interesting.

I've never considred Robbie an ultra con,he married Lisa Godair-Johnnie Godairs daughter.Theres a story that Robbie decided that standards were no longer necessary at his church and preached this to the church over a weekend when Lisa had gone home,she refused to come home until he changed his beliefs on standards,and she's back home and Robbies at the No Limits conference.

[A_PoMo]

[QUOTE=CC1;409075]Wow! I had no idea that R.L. had an ultra con son. That is very interesting.

I've never considred Robbie an ultra con,he married Lisa Godair-Johnnie Godairs daughter.Theres a story that Robbie decided that standards were no longer necessary at his church and preached this to the church over a weekend when Lisa had gone home,she refused to come home until he changed his beliefs on standards,and she's back home and Robbies at the No Limits conference.

Scary thing for me is that I dated Lisa back in the day once or twice. Thank God for unanswered prayers. I'm glad I'm not Robbie in that case . If momma aint happy, aint NOBODY happy. (ask me how I know! :) )

It is interesting to me though how it seems many of the strongest propenents of standards seem to be women. That's counter-intuitive it seems to me.

Hey B. How do we know each other? My wife says she thinks you like to play the drums. True?

[Pastor Keith]

Just recently, our church gave over 120K (not pledges - actual money counted and check written) in one service for Brother Willoughby's ministry in Singapore - in one service. It was an awesome move of God....

Was during this revival that the camera's were encouraged to pan in on those that weren't worshipping as much as they should?

[A_PoMo]

Was during this revival that the camera's were encouraged to pan in on those that weren't worshipping as much as they should?


Uh oh.

That reminds me of the last time I was there. I was sitting next to TGraves when the co-pastor, at the time, reprimanded everybody for not being "worshippy enough" during the offering. That mad me so mad because, unlike him, I've actually worked a regular job in the "world" and know how hard it can be to make a buck. If I'm show up and I walk down there to give my money earned through the sweat of my brow then I'm being plenty "worshippy enough" and don't need to do a jig for the dude in a suit on the platform who lives off my offering. I turned to TG and said, "Dude, I hope you'll still be my friend but I'm leaving and I'm never coming back." His jaw hit the floor and my wife and I got up and walked out and we've never been back in ten years. I'm sorry to hear that sort of stuff still goes on. It's shameful. Thankfully the Lord has led me to more appreciative churches since then.

Sorry Sweet Pea. I hope you still love me.

[Raven]

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I must be addicted..... Am I the only one that sneaks a peak at the computer (e-mail, response to posts etc.) when they have to get up in the middle of the night?

:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny
Is it the Forum you are addicted to or that Rocky Road icecream that gets you up to sneak through the house at 3:30 in the morning?
Raven

[BHILL]

[QUOTE=BHILL;409301]

Scary thing for me is that I dated Lisa back in the day once or twice. Thank God for unanswered prayers. I'm glad I'm not Robbie in that case . If momma aint happy, aint NOBODY happy. (ask me how I know! :) )

It is interesting to me though how it seems many of the strongest propenents of standards seem to be women. That's counter-intuitive it seems to me.

Hey B. How do we know each other? My wife says she thinks you like to play the drums. True?

I believe the last time I saw you and your wife,we went out to eat at TGIF's in Indy.I roomed with Gary R and we lived on the White River and spent alot of time at your grandparents place.

[A_PoMo]

[QUOTE=A_PoMo;409305]

I believe the last time I saw you and your wife,we went out to eat at TGIF's in Indy.I roomed with Gary R and we lived on the White River and spent alot of time at your grandparents place.

I remember going out to eat there w/BH and somebody else but for the life of me I can't remember who that was. The harder I try to remember the less my brain cooperates. Do you and I share the same first name?

White River, Doc & Rosy...good times. Gary lives there now w/his family. You prob know that.

[LaVonne]

Uh oh.

That reminds me of the last time I was there. I was sitting next to TGraves when the co-pastor, at the time, reprimanded everybody for not being "worshippy enough" during the offering. That mad me so mad because, unlike him, I've actually worked a regular job in the "world" and know how hard it can be to make a buck. If I'm show up and I walk down there to give my money earned through the sweat of my brow then I'm being plenty "worshippy enough" and don't need to do a jig for the dude in a suit on the platform who lives off my offering. I turned to TG and said, "Dude, I hope you'll still be my friend but I'm leaving and I'm never coming back." His jaw hit the floor and my wife and I got up and walked out and we've never been back in ten years. I'm sorry to hear that sort of stuff still goes on. It's shameful. Thankfully the Lord has led me to more appreciative churches since then.

Sorry Sweet Pea. I hope you still love me.
I agree with you wholeheartedly!

Two of TG's kids are married to people I love dearly...their daddy is just the same, in fact worse than TG.