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tv1a
03-13-2008, 03:40 AM
Warning, don't read this article if you get offended easy... This article contains mature subject matter... I would love for the pro internet/anti-television crowd to answer the question why filters are okay for the internet, but not okay for television... I would love for them to explain why they are not preaching against the internet when ANOTHER high profile individual falls prey sexual temptation using modern technology...


Prostitution Advances in a Wired World http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080311/D8VBFTDG1.html (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080311/D8VBFTDG1.html)

Mar 11, 5:47 PM (ET)

By HILLARY RHODES It may be the world's oldest profession, but prostitution is using some 21st-century tricks.
The prostitution scandal involving New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer lays bare some of the inner workings of modern-day sex work: text messaging to clock in the client, electronic fund transfers, a Web site featuring color photos, prices and rankings.
There's always been a distinction between indoor and street-level prostitution, and advances in technology have increasingly separated the two, said Ronald Weitzer, author of "Sex for Sale: Prostitution, Pornography and the Sex Industry."
Not only can prostitutes and escort services now run more efficient businesses, but they can leverage word-of-mouth advertising in new ways to build their brands and troll for clients. Online social communities built around the escort and sex worker industries can solidify customer loyalty.
"It's commercial, but it's also social, so people do really form relationships," says Audacia Ray, author of "Naked on the Internet: Hookups, Downloads, and Cashing in on Internet Sexploration" and a former sex worker.
"Clients become buddies," she said.
There are a host of online message boards where clients or potential clients can discuss, rate and exchange information about individual women.
A recent rating of one woman on the escort-review site reads: "She is the real deal. She's bright, funny, enthusiastic, beautiful, flawless body, really loves what she does." *** (deleted link)***
Another woman got a bad review - not for her physical shortcomings, but for her communications etiquette: "... didn't return calls or e-mails. Irresponsible."
Such sites are natural places for escorts or prostitutes to advertise, linking to their own Web sites, a technique many sex workers use, Ray said.
Technology also eases the business-end of things, Weitzer says. While clients are surveying potential companions, escort-service managers can look into clients with a background check or even a simple Google search.
Payment is easier, too.
"It's often convenient to have an account established with a balance, so if you have the last-minute urge, you don't have to worry about getting money into the account," says Norma Jean Almodovar, executive director of the sex workers' rights organization COYOTE ("Call Off Your Old Tired Ethics") in Southern California.
Emperors Club VIP, the high-end prostitution organization Spitzer allegedly was involved with, was brought down when banks noticed frequent cash transfers from several accounts and filed suspicious-activity reports with the Internal Revenue Service, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press.
The accounts were traced back to Spitzer, and public-corruption investigators opened an inquiry.
It's a long way from leaving cash on the dresser.
Cell phones are handy, too. According to court documents, some details of the alleged appointment Spitzer had with a prostitute were arranged via text message. She was even instructed by her home office to send a text message when he arrived so the office could start the clock ticking on his allotted time, according to court papers.
Devices such as Web cams also have created new opportunities, Almodovar said.
For instance, if a customer is traveling and wants to talk with a prostitute, "he can just go on the Internet and she can be in her home, and he can be in Europe, and they can have long-distance sexual dalliances," Almodovar said.
But even with so much electronic evidence, authorities permit a lot of prostitution to happen without repercussions.
"On the one hand, they're advertised, openly. So you know it exists, and you're letting it go. But then they're not taxed, or prosecuted, unless it becomes a quality-of-life issue or (involves) a public figure they happen to run across. Think of all that cash," said Assistant Philadelphia District Attorney Rich DeSipio, who is assigned to the sex-crimes unit.
And sex workers also can use high-tech measures to avoid getting caught.
High-end call girls might use bug- and camera-detection equipment to look for surveillance devices, said Jimmie Mesis, editor in chief of Professional Investigator Magazine.
Police often don't find the equipment until after they make an arrest, Mesis said. "They realize, 'Look at this. She has a bug detector. She has a hidden-camera detector. This is a pretty sophisticated set-up here.'"
But for every client who is revealed, no one knows how much prostitution remains hidden.
"The surprise should not be that (Spitzer) was a client, but that he got exposed," Almodovar said. "Despite the technology we have, 99 percent of them will never get discovered.
"If we didn't have so many clients, we wouldn't be prostitutes."
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Associated Press writers Megan K. Scott in New York and Maryclaire Dale in Philadelphia contributed to this report.
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WyoPastor
03-13-2008, 05:55 AM
How about a catagory - that it's the people not what they use.

smurfette
03-13-2008, 05:59 AM
How about a catagory - that it's the people not what they use.

BINGO!! DING, DING, DING! I THINK YOU SAID IT ALL!:hanky

Pressing-On
03-13-2008, 06:12 AM
How about a catagory - that it's the people not what they use.

Amen!

commonsense
03-13-2008, 09:04 AM
I agree. Personal reponsiblity!

A_PoMo
03-13-2008, 09:11 AM
Shhhhh....they'll start outlawing Google, webcams, text messaging (and cellphones!), and spy equipment too. Or they might get ideas and start USING spy equipment. Oh the humanity!

lilanastasia
03-13-2008, 03:15 PM
My all time favorite are those licensed preachers (not pastors, mind you) who don't have a TV, but watch all of the same shows television owners do, but just on the internet.

Then...they get up and teach/preach to our new converts and others in the church that they need to get rid of these temptations in their lives because they're the only ones who can "handle" watching these shows...

HA HA Mmmmmm, love it...and this ain't no made up story either...

tv1a
03-13-2008, 04:36 PM
That comment would excommunicate you from the WPF. The WPF was founded because of the refusal to move forward with a certain technology.

The issue is one can't let their hemmorhoids wiggle in the wind against television while turing a blind eye to the internet.

How about a catagory - that it's the people not what they use.

tv1a
03-13-2008, 04:39 PM
I don't think they will. The legalistic mindset won't ban nothing that hasn't been banned in the early to mid 20th century. Principle was compromised to allow internet. I doubt there are many who are men and women enough to preach against the internet with the same intensity as television. I know of one, maybe two who would. But the rest are living off of dead mens bones.

Shhhhh....they'll start outlawing Google, webcams, text messaging (and cellphones!), and spy equipment too. Or they might get ideas and start USING spy equipment. Oh the humanity!

Thinking
03-13-2008, 07:36 PM
tv1a, what does it mean to live off of dead men's bones?

tv1a
03-13-2008, 08:27 PM
Living off convictions established by people who have been dead for years. Instead of living by the principle which guided those people, they live by the rules those people came up with. As a result, the legalists have the inability to live be principle because they depend on being spoon fed a list of rules, not a series of principles.

tv1a, what does it mean to live off of dead men's bones?

Threads
03-13-2008, 08:30 PM
Shhhhh....they'll start outlawing Google, webcams, text messaging (and cellphones!), and spy equipment too. Or they might get ideas and start USING spy equipment. Oh the humanity!

Funny thing, a certain Pastor's wife sat at her front door of her church and asked some people to not bring video equipment in the church as they didn't allow it. That was back in the 1990's. This same person (Pastor's wife) Wilson's, can be seen flashing gang signs to the world, via the internet, so
hippercritical. What has happened? Oh, that's right, helping people become!
Check out the first night song service.


http://therockchurch.org/video/noLimits.php :tissue

NW Pastor
03-13-2008, 08:53 PM
Funny thing, a certain Pastor's wife sat at her front door of her church and asked some people to not bring video equipment in the church as they didn't allow it. That was back in the 1990's. This same person (Pastor's wife) Wilson's, can be seen flashing gang signs to the world, via the internet, so hippercritical. What has happened? Oh, that's right, helping people become!
Check out the first night song service.


http://therockchurch.org/video/noLimits.php :tissue

I love you is a gang sign? Don't you wish!!

Your credibility is shot!!

CC1
03-13-2008, 09:29 PM
I love you is a gang sign? Don't you wish!!

Your credibility is shot!!

I was watching that night and saw that but wasn't paying real close attention so I thought she was a Texas Longhorn fan flashing the "Hook Em Horns" sign!:bliss

Stephanas
03-14-2008, 06:02 AM
Funny thing, a certain Pastor's wife sat at her front door of her church and asked some people to not bring video equipment in the church as they didn't allow it. That was back in the 1990's. This same person (Pastor's wife) Wilson's, can be seen flashing gang signs to the world, via the internet, so
hippercritical. What has happened? Oh, that's right, helping people become!
Check out the first night song service.


http://therockchurch.org/video/noLimits.php :tissue


If I'm not mistaken the Pastor's wife was communicating her love and thoughts to her sister, Priscilla, who was watching the service by web cast. I saw a touching exchange of affection between two sisters where you saw "gang signs."

I hope that upon reflection you have the decency to be ashamed of your post.

Praxeas
03-15-2008, 01:39 AM
How about a catagory - that it's the people not what they use.
Yeah...why not preach against guns too? Could it be that guns don't kill, people kill?

Praxeas
03-15-2008, 01:41 AM
I love you is a gang sign? Don't you wish!!

Your credibility is shot!!
I have to agree......

Rico
03-15-2008, 02:10 AM
Funny thing, a certain Pastor's wife sat at her front door of her church and asked some people to not bring video equipment in the church as they didn't allow it. That was back in the 1990's. This same person (Pastor's wife) Wilson's, can be seen flashing gang signs to the world, via the internet, so
hippercritical. What has happened? Oh, that's right, helping people become!
Check out the first night song service.


http://therockchurch.org/video/noLimits.php :tissue

Um, LOL, those weren't gang signs. It means I love you. LOL

CC1
03-15-2008, 07:29 AM
I love you is a gang sign? Don't you wish!!

Your credibility is shot!!

LOL!!! I have to think they were either joking or just doesn't know the sign for love.

Perhaps they have never been around deaf people or the deaf ministry.

It was a shame that statement was made because the rest of the post was

interesting about how NW changed his view on video cameras once he

justified in his mind a difference between "telecasting" and "webcasting".

tv1a
03-15-2008, 11:02 AM
Someone should start a petition to revoke his mensa membership trying to justfy webcasting and preaching against telecasting. lol
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If that were me at that conference, I may have been tempted to give a stone cold salute. I would have loved to hear the rumblings on live. Heaven knows they aren't running on a delay. lol


LOL!!! I have to think they were either joking or just doesn't know the sign for love.

Perhaps they have never been around deaf people or the deaf ministry.

It was a shame that statement was made because the rest of the post was

interesting about how NW changed his view on video cameras once he

justified in his mind a difference between "telecasting" and "webcasting".

impactleader
03-15-2008, 11:32 PM
If they started preaching aginst internet would you give it up ? I highly doubt anyone would

tv1a
03-16-2008, 05:31 AM
The issue is consistency. The debate then could be about moderation. Instead the discussion is centered around inconsistent application of principles.

I know of people who preach against both mediums. I may disagree, but no one can say they are inconsistent. Those are the true conservatives.

If they started preaching aginst internet would you give it up ? I highly doubt anyone would

Brother Price
03-16-2008, 06:36 AM
The issue is consistency. The debate then could be about moderation. Instead the discussion is centered around inconsistent application of principles.

I know of people who preach against both mediums. I may disagree, but no one can say they are inconsistent. Those are the true conservatives.

Well said. If one will ban one medium, then the same must be applied to all variations of that medium. Good post, tv1a!