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Jekyll
03-25-2008, 05:25 PM
Tom Minnery
> March 24, 2008
> Dear Friend,
> What does it take to be the most liberal member of the United States
> Senate - farther left than Ted Kennedy, John Kerry or even Hillary
> Clinton? For the answer, take a look at a man who could be the next
> president of the United States: Barack Obama.
> Sen. Obama was recently named the most liberal U.S. Senator, based on
> the annual voting analysis by the non-partisan and highly respected
> National Journal. If he emerges as the Democratic nominee, one of the
> critical jobs of Focus Action will be to uncover the real Barack
> Obama-not the feel-good orator who speaks of 'change' and 'hope,' but
> the man who would be the most left-wing president in our nation's
> history. And we'll need your continued help to do so.
> Obama: As extreme as they come on family issues
> On abortion, Obama's 100 percent lifetime voting record from Planned
> Parenthood and NARAL only begins to tell the story.
> While in the Illinois State Senate six years ago, Obama was the only
> senator to speak against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, which
> protects babies who are born alive after a failed abortion. In other
> words, it prevents flat-out infanticide. A year later- while the U.S.
> Senate was passing Born Alive 98-0 - state Sen. Obama quietly killed an
> identical bill in the state committee he chaired!
>
>
> Not surprisingly, then, he also opposes the ban on partial-birth
> abortion and supports allowing minor girls to be transported across
> state lines for abortions without parental notice or consent.
>
>
> Perhaps most chilling is his avowed support for the Freedom of Choice
> Act, which, if signed into law, would threaten every pro-life law passed
> at the state and federal levels over the past 30 years.
>
>
> In addition, while the next president could effectively overturn Roe v.
> Wade with the right Supreme Court appointments, Obama is proudly
> committed to appointing judges who will uphold legal abortion. In fact,
> his judicial philosophy is typical of the radical left. He believes that
> judges can change the meaning of the Constitution at their discretion.
> Not surprisingly, he voted against the nominations of Justices John
> Roberts and Samuel Alito.
> How about marriage and the homosexual agenda?
> First, he opposes the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA). If given
> the chance by the liberal Congress, Obama will overturn DOMA,
> potentially forcing every state to recognize homosexual 'marriages' and
> guaranteeing that you and I pay federal benefits to support homosexual
> couples. Please note: Technically, he says he is 'opposed' to same-sex
> 'marriage,' but by standing against DOMA, he is standing against the
> only thing that prevents same-sex marriages from spreading state to
> state.
>
>
> Second, he has pledged to homosexual leaders that he will sign the
> Employment Non-Discrimination Act (forcing businesses to defend
> themselves against discrimination lawsuits should they not hire a
> particular candidate who then announces he or she is homosexual or
> transsexual). He also supports hate-crimes expansion (potentially
> putting churches at risk if they preach the truth about homosexuality).
>
>
> Then there's his support for teaching schoolchildren (in 2nd grade, no
> less) about
> homosexual relationships. He also wants to require women to register for
> the draft. And, as a state senator, he even refused to support a measure
> to stop sex businesses from opening near schools or places of worship!
> Make a
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> Help support the
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>
>
> The price of 'change': Hold on to your wallet!
> Sen. Obama talks constantly about the need for 'change.' But what he
> doesn't tell you is the price tag, so allow me: It will be very
> expensive change.
> He supports raising taxes to pay for universal health care, his free
> college program and a host of other government expansions. Among his pet
> projects is a bill he sponsored called the Global Poverty Act, which
> would commit the U.S. to spending 0.7 percent of gross national product
> on foreign aid. Over 13 years, that will amount to a whopping $845
> billion increase over current foreign-aid spending! Get your checkbooks
> ready!
> National security?
> One area where Sen. Obama seems to have an aversion to spending is the
> War on Terror. But it's not just the admittedly controversial war in
> Iraq where Obama has shown himself to be soft on terror:
> He has repeatedly voted against funding our troops in Iraq-unless the
> funding included a date certain by which our soldiers must withdraw from
> their fight against al Qaeda. Even with the troop surge producing superb
> results, Obama has called both the surge and the war a failure. In fact,
> he and Hillary seem to be in a rhetorical contest to see who can abandon
> the battlefield first.
>
>
> He, along with Hillary, voted to give captured terrorists and illegal
> immigrants constitutional rights that are reserved for American
> citizens. Can you believe that Sen. Obama actually favors granting
> citizenship to illegal immigrants convicted of crimes against children,
> aggravated felonies and other serious crimes? It's true.
>
>
> Perhaps, then, it should come as no surprise that Obama also voted
> against a resolution proposing a constitutional amendment to protect the
> American flag from desecration.
> One has to ask: Did he learn anything from 9/11?
> Ditto for Hillary?
> On most of the issues I've mentioned, Hillary isn't far behind Obama's
> extremism. In fact, she ranked as the 16th most liberal senator in
> National Journal's scoring. But the reality is that most people know
> about Hillary. They remember her push for government-run health care.
> They know of her radical pro-abortion stance. They may even recall her
> support for allowing young children to sue their parents.
> Obama, though, is the new kid on the block. In fact, a little more than
> three years ago, he was still an Illinois state senator. Now, the media
> is fawning over him ... and isn't about to delve into his leftist
> record.
> That's why Focus Action-with your help-needs to sound the alarm. Whoever
> the Democrat nominee is, the truth about their stands needs to be told
> in clear, bold colors. And, of course, the pros and cons of the
> Republican candidate need to be laid out as well.
> Focus Action is blessed to have some great channels to communicate the
> truth to the American public. From radio programs to mailings to
> webcasts to advertisements of all sorts, we have the vehicles to get the
> word out. But your gifts are needed to provide the fuel to make those
> vehicles run-so we can inform millions of voters, not just in the
> presidential race, but in the critical contests for House and Senate as
> well.
> Throughout our history, great Americans have stood up to grave
> challenges of all sorts. As this latest wave of secular liberalism
> threatens us, I look forward to standing shoulder to shoulder with you
> in prayer and action - in defense of the family.
> Sincerely,
>
> Tom Minnery
> Senior Vice President
> Focus on the Family Action
> P.S. We continue to get strong reviews from many of you about our live
> 'webcasts' on the presidential race. If you haven't yet had a chance to
> view these webcast, I hope you'll take advantage of our pro-family
> perspective on the candidates - a perspective you won't find in the
> mainstream media! Thanks for partnering with us to make it all happen!

Jekyll
03-25-2008, 05:38 PM
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03-25-2008, 05:50 PM
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Though I have enjoyed Dobson's Focus on the Family talk show, I wasn't familiar with Minnery. Anyway, I wasn't surprised that Minnery proclaimed Obama the most liberal of the liberals.

Boy, it really has made me wonder why there has been so much hostility toward Obama from God fearing folk? If God wanted Obama as President then IMO there would nothing one could do to alter his will and visa versa.

Lord bless...

Jekyll
03-25-2008, 05:56 PM
All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to sit around and do nothing.

Jekyll
03-25-2008, 06:35 PM
Though I have enjoyed Dobson's Focus on the Family talk show, I wasn't familiar with Minnery. Anyway, I wasn't surprised that Minnery proclaimed Obama the most liberal of the liberals.

Boy, it really has made me wonder why there has been so much hostility toward Obama from God fearing folk? If God wanted Obama as President then IMO there would nothing one could do to alter his will and visa versa.

Lord bless...
Probably because he SECRETLY opposes everything any God fearing folk believe in.

ChristopherHall
03-25-2008, 07:04 PM
Probably because he SECRETLY opposes everything any God fearing folk believe in.

And McCain SECRETLY doesn't? LOL

Jekyll
03-25-2008, 07:16 PM
Who said anything about HIM?

Rev Dooley
03-25-2008, 07:22 PM
Though I have enjoyed Dobson's Focus on the Family talk show, I wasn't familiar with Minnery. Anyway, I wasn't surprised that Minnery proclaimed Obama the most liberal of the liberals.

Boy, it really has made me wonder why there has been so much hostility toward Obama from God fearing folk? If God wanted Obama as President then IMO there would nothing one could do to alter his will and visa versa.

Lord bless...Based on your other posts, it seems clear that you support this dirtbag.
Well, that is your constitutional right. If he is elected, enjoy your rights for the little time that you will have left to enjoy them.
He is going to enjoy taking them away. He is already pushing for things that would undermine our religious freedoms. This will escalate should he take office.

Discerner
03-25-2008, 07:36 PM
I dont see how anyone who is a Christian American can vote for this guy. He stands against just about everything we stand for. God bless America!

Jekyll
03-25-2008, 09:26 PM
Prax???

Do you still support this scam artist?

CC1
03-25-2008, 09:33 PM
Jekyll,

Obviously you are just prejudice!

How dare you point out that Obama is one of the most liberal members of the Senate.

Obviously you are just a "hater" in addition to being prejudice.

That's ok though because Chris Hall will set you straight and explain how it is Christian to vote for someone committed to gay rights, abortion rights, etc.

izzyschwartz
03-25-2008, 10:43 PM
This guy (Obama) is a total phony! He is not only liberal to the extreme, but is a totally corrupt Chicago machine politician. He has never had an original idea and only got into office because he is a Democrat in a state where the Republicans are weak and disorganized. Self serving, racist, lying constantly, corrupt, pro every wacko extremist homo abortionist cause--are these such such great and admirable qualities?

Can anyone mention even ONE thing he has done that can be admired or ONE reason to support or vote for him? Change??? Oh please , don't tell me you are that stupid and are still breathing without a respirator.

Jekyll
03-25-2008, 11:13 PM
And "Christians" support him. Any takers?? Prax?? HeavenlyOne?? ChristopherHall??

ChristopherHall
03-25-2008, 11:19 PM
Who said anything about HIM?

I did. I don't think McCain is any better.

ChristopherHall
03-25-2008, 11:21 PM
Based on your other posts, it seems clear that you support this dirtbag.
Well, that is your constitutional right. If he is elected, enjoy your rights for the little time that you will have left to enjoy them.
He is going to enjoy taking them away. He is already pushing for things that would undermine our religious freedoms. This will escalate should he take office.

Can you provide more information on the specific things he's planning to do to eviscerate my religious liberties?

ChristopherHall
03-25-2008, 11:35 PM
Jekyll,

Obviously you are just prejudice!

How dare you point out that Obama is one of the most liberal members of the Senate.

Obviously you are just a "hater" in addition to being prejudice.

That's ok though because Chris Hall will set you straight and explain how it is Christian to vote for someone committed to gay rights, abortion rights, etc.

CC1,

I don't believe Republicans plan on addressing gay rights or abortion rights either. Those are all issues each party uses to manipulate voters and scare us into voting for them. The Democrats claim Republican want to persecute gay people and force women into back alley abortions. The Republicans claim that Democrats want to make everyone gay and force women to have abortions.

Truth be told...these are just issues used as scare tactics.

Newsflash...no court in the land is going to rule against the private association of two American citizens based on gender. Like it or not...that's the painful truth of life in Post-Modern America. Also, no court is going to "ban abortion" or "overturn Roe".

When it comes to politics I say this prayer...

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

Living one day at a time;
Enjoying one moment at a time;
Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;
Taking, as He did, this sinful world
as it is, not as I would have it;
Trusting that He will make all things right
if I surrender to His Will;
That I may be reasonably happy in this life
and supremely happy with Him
Forever in the next.
Amen.

--Reinhold Niebuhr

If we want to address gay marriage we have to minister to the gay community.

If we want to prevent abortion we have to minister to the needs and issues women face when they have a crisis pregnancy.

When I counseled a woman who had an abortion, with tears streaming down her face, she said, "Chris, when I was a little girl I never said, 'Mommy, I wanna have an abortion when I grow up.'" I prayed with her and did my best to comfort her, horrified at what she had done and had gone through. But her sobbing words still echo in my mind. She was not raised in church and she was with a young man who promised that he loved her. Well, he began drinking and got abusive but she stayed with him believing that he would change. She became pregnant and he thew her out on the street. She didn't have health insurance. Her father, a Baptist preacher had thrown her out by her hair the last time she was home and she had no where and one to turn to. She was denied assistance because she was working and earning too much to qualify. She felt hopeless and that's when Satan moved in on her and tempted her to commit the unmentionable.

Instead of condemning some candidate over abortion policy or condemning women who are obviously going through a very difficult crisis...I ask...where was I? Where were we?

We need to do more than ramp up rhetoric about abortion. We need to minister to women and address the issues they face.

Jekyll
03-26-2008, 12:01 AM
CC1,

I don't believe Republicans plan on addressing gay rights or abortion rights either. Those are all issues each party uses to manipulate voters and scare us into voting for them. The Democrats claim Republican want to persecute gay people and force women into back alley abortions. The Republicans claim that Democrats want to make everyone gay and force women to have abortions.

Truth be told...these are just issues used as scare tactics.

Newsflash...no court in the land is going to rule against the private association of two American citizens based on gender. Like it or not...that's the painful truth of life in Post-Modern America. Also, no court is going to "ban abortion" or "overturn Roe".

When it comes to politics I say this prayer...

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

Living one day at a time;
Enjoying one moment at a time;
Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;
Taking, as He did, this sinful world
as it is, not as I would have it;
Trusting that He will make all things right
if I surrender to His Will;
That I may be reasonably happy in this life
and supremely happy with Him
Forever in the next.
Amen.

--Reinhold Niebuhr

If we want to address gay marriage we have to minister to the gay community.

If we want to prevent abortion we have to minister to the needs and issues women face when they have a crisis pregnancy.

When I counseled a woman who had an abortion, with tears streaming down her face, she said, "Chris, when I was a little girl I never said, 'Mommy, I wanna have an abortion when I grow up.'" I prayed with her and did my best to comfort her, horrified at what she had done and had gone through. But her sobbing words still echo in my mind. She was not raised in church and she was with a young man who promised that he loved her. Well, he began drinking and got abusive but she stayed with him believing that he would change. She became pregnant and he thew her out on the street. She didn't have health insurance. Her father, a Baptist preacher had thrown her out by her hair the last time she was home and she had no where and one to turn to. She was denied assistance because she was working and earning too much to qualify. She felt hopeless and that's when Satan moved in on her and tempted her to commit the unmentionable.

Instead of condemning some candidate over abortion policy or condemning women who are obviously going through a very difficult crisis...I ask...where was I? Where were we?

We need to do more than ramp up rhetoric about abortion. We need to minister to women and address the issues they face.
Doesn't address how a Christian is supposed to sidestep facts and vote for Oscama. You should be a politician.

SDG
03-26-2008, 12:04 AM
Scum artist and dirt bag .... nice.

Truly tells me more than I care to share ....

You never cease to inspire me, Jekyll.

ChristopherHall
03-26-2008, 12:06 AM
Doesn't address how a Christian is supposed to sidestep facts and vote for Oscama. You should be a politician.

Since neither party will really address the social issues we talk so much about, it becomes evident that one should vote for which ever candidate they feel will address the issue their family is currently facing. If it is lack of employment, they should vote for the who has a plan to get more jobs going in this country. If it's health coverage it should be which ever candidate appears to have a plan that best covers one's family. Bread and butter issues. If it's war, which ever candidate plans on addressing the war as you feel would be best.

SDG
03-26-2008, 12:07 AM
Can you provide more information on the specific things he's planning to do to eviscerate my religious liberties?

Of course he can't ... maybe his conspiracy is based on the candidate's birth name .... maybe it's not WASPish enough, perhaps.

ChristopherHall
03-26-2008, 12:09 AM
Scum artist and dirt bag .... nice.

Truly tells me more than I care to share ....

You never cease to inspire me, Jekyll.

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

What ever happened with living peaceably with all men, blessing those who curse you, and loving one's enemies? Christians have gone on the war path against anything non-Republican.

SDG
03-26-2008, 12:14 AM
Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

What ever happened with living peaceably with all men, blessing those who curse you, and loving one's enemies? Christians have gone on the war path against anything non-Republican.

All in the name of God .... that's what's funny ...

they'll speak like sailors for what's right. Ironic.

Zero crediblity when this is your approach ... it begs for other questions to be asked.

Jekyll
03-26-2008, 02:01 AM
Scum artist and dirt bag .... nice.

Truly tells me more than I care to share ....

You never cease to inspire me, Jekyll.

Of course he can't ... maybe his conspiracy is based on the candidate's birth name .... maybe it's not WASPish enough, perhaps.

All in the name of God .... that's what's funny ...

they'll speak like sailors for what's right. Ironic.

Zero crediblity when this is your approach ... it begs for other questions to be asked.
All of this from an individual who's history contains absolutely no credibility other than to provide twisted comedic relief to rational thought.

If one cares to read the whole post, it is an email from an organization, not my views. Funny that you are holding these posts to such a high standard. Your 50,000 posts should be held to a standard so high. Of course holding you to anything is like trying to grab a bar of soap...the soap goes slithering away and all that is left is a handful of slime. Baaad time for a Red Herring. I understand that standard operating procedure is to try to discredit the one asking the question rather than answering the question.

Now BACK to the issue...

How do you vote for a guy who is has such deep anti-Christian priciples as Oscama?

Sister Alvear
03-26-2008, 06:25 AM
I stand with the first church and do not vote for any of them...
However,my veiws are outdated so I will express my second opinion...NEVER would I vote for someone that is a member of the church he is a member of...with the record that pastor has...never, never, never...

Discerner
03-26-2008, 06:27 AM
Since neither party will really address the social issues we talk so much about, it becomes evident that one should vote for which ever candidate they feel will address the issue their family is currently facing. If it is lack of employment, they should vote for the who has a plan to get more jobs going in this country. If it's health coverage it should be which ever candidate appears to have a plan that best covers one's family. Bread and butter issues. If it's war, which ever candidate plans on addressing the war as you feel would be best.

Sorry bud, but these issues are more important than my pocketbook. I vote for the person who most alligns themselves with my family values first. Economy is my second measuring stick.

The Republican Party has done more to stand for Christian family values than you Democrat friends. Have they been perfect? No. However, the Democrats try to tear down the family. I challenge you to find Democratic legislation that is law that protects the family.

Second, the economy. Lower taxes prove to help the economy. President Bush's tax cuts moved our ecnomy forward. The current issues facing the economy is a result of bad credit lending by our nations financial institutions. They always expect the government to bail them out, which we are doing. However, the Democrats want to raise taxes and increase spending on social programs. Social programs never raise revenue, they mostly reward people for being lazy and having dozens of kids. A form of vote buying. We could go on and on about the economy and why small goverment is better than big government.

Well, I am just so appalled at members of this board defending such a liberal anti-family values candidate who has NO executive leadership experience. He has passed NO meaningful (if any) legislation why a 2 year member of the Senate. If I were voting Democrat I would definately vote for Hillary first. At least you know what you get with her. You dont know what you get with a Muslim who claims he isnt one.

DividedThigh
03-26-2008, 07:26 AM
i am against obama because he is against me and my faith, enough said, dt

Sister Alvear
03-26-2008, 08:04 AM
We cannot stop what is destined to be however we do not have to side with evil.

Tech
03-26-2008, 09:25 AM
I dont see how anyone who is a Christian American can vote for this guy. He stands against just about everything we stand for. God bless America!

True.Barack Obama is a Hard-Core Liberal

Barack Obama on Abortion :

Voted against banning partial birth abortion. (Oct 2007)
Stem cells hold promise to cure 70 major diseases. (Aug 2007)
Trust women to make own decisions on partial-birth abortion. (Apr 2007)
Extend presumption of good faith to abortion protesters. (Oct 2006)
Constitution is a living document; no strict constructionism. (Oct 2006)
Pass the Stem Cell Research Bill. (Jun 2004)
Protect a woman's right to choose. (May 2004)
Supports Roe v. Wade. (Jul 1998)
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance. (Dec 2006)


Barack Obama on Gay Rights :


The politics of fear undermines basic civil liberties. (Oct 2007)
Ok to expose 6-year-olds to gay couples; they know already. (Sep 2007)


Has any marriage broken up because two gays hold hands? (Aug 2007)
We need strong civil unions, not just weak civil unions. (Aug 2007)
Legal rights for gays are conferred by state, not by church. (Aug 2007)
Disentangle gay rights from the word "marriage". (Aug 2007)
Gay marriage is less important that equal gay rights. (Aug 2007)
Gay rights movement is somewhat like civil rights movement. (Aug 2007)
Let each denominations decide on recognizing gay marriage. (Jul 2007)
Supports health benefits for gay civil partners. (Oct 2006)
Opposes gay marriage; supports civil union & gay equality. (Oct 2006)
Marriage not a human right; non-discrimination is. (Oct 2004)
Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)

Pressing-On
03-26-2008, 09:31 AM
True.Barack Obama is a Hard-Core Liberal

Barack Obama on Abortion :

Voted against banning partial birth abortion. (Oct 2007)
Stem cells hold promise to cure 70 major diseases. (Aug 2007)
Trust women to make own decisions on partial-birth abortion. (Apr 2007)
Extend presumption of good faith to abortion protesters. (Oct 2006)
Constitution is a living document; no strict constructionism. (Oct 2006)
Pass the Stem Cell Research Bill. (Jun 2004)
Protect a woman's right to choose. (May 2004)
Supports Roe v. Wade. (Jul 1998)
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance. (Dec 2006)


Barack Obama on Gay Rights :


The politics of fear undermines basic civil liberties. (Oct 2007)
Ok to expose 6-year-olds to gay couples; they know already. (Sep 2007)


Has any marriage broken up because two gays hold hands? (Aug 2007)
We need strong civil unions, not just weak civil unions. (Aug 2007)
Legal rights for gays are conferred by state, not by church. (Aug 2007)
Disentangle gay rights from the word "marriage". (Aug 2007)
Gay marriage is less important that equal gay rights. (Aug 2007)
Gay rights movement is somewhat like civil rights movement. (Aug 2007)
Let each denominations decide on recognizing gay marriage. (Jul 2007)
Supports health benefits for gay civil partners. (Oct 2006)
Opposes gay marriage; supports civil union & gay equality. (Oct 2006)
Marriage not a human right; non-discrimination is. (Oct 2004)
Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)

Wow, thanks for listing all of this out!

I wanted to comment on his liberal leanings, but knew I would need to produce the facts to bolster the comments. You did a great job! :thumbsup

Sister Alvear
03-26-2008, 09:59 AM
may God help America if he wins...

izzyschwartz
03-26-2008, 10:08 AM
Still waiting for an example of ONE positive thing B.H.O. has done or accomplished, or ONE reason any supporter can give for voting for him. I have not seen any nor heard any supporter give even ONE...

Discerner
03-26-2008, 10:12 AM
Still waiting for an example of ONE positive thing B.H.O. has done or accomplished, or ONE reason any supporter can give for voting for him. I have not seen any nor heard any supporter give even ONE...

Havent you heard of change!!!! :bliss

izzyschwartz
03-26-2008, 10:22 AM
Havent you heard of change!!!! :bliss

Ah yes, change, the ultimate sound bite...

Tech
03-26-2008, 10:32 AM
Obama , like his wife must not be proud to be American

Voted NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration.
The Senate voted on a resolution which would recommend a Constitutional Amendment banning flag desecration (not a vote on the Amendment itself). The resolution states:

(1)the flag of the US is a unique symbol of national unity...
the Bill of Rights should not be amended in a manner that could be interpreted to restrict freedom...
(2)abuse of the flag causes more than pain and distress... and may amount to fighting words...
(3)destruction of the flag of the US can be intended to incite a violent response rather than make a political statement and such conduct is outside the protections afforded by the first amendment to the Constitution.

Discerner
03-26-2008, 12:58 PM
Unlike the Barack Hussien Obama I AM PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!!!

Jekyll
03-26-2008, 06:21 PM
Sorry bud, but these issues are more important than my pocketbook. I vote for the person who most alligns themselves with my family values first. Economy is my second measuring stick.

The Republican Party has done more to stand for Christian family values than you Democrat friends. Have they been perfect? No. However, the Democrats try to tear down the family. I challenge you to find Democratic legislation that is law that protects the family.

Second, the economy. Lower taxes prove to help the economy. President Bush's tax cuts moved our ecnomy forward. The current issues facing the economy is a result of bad credit lending by our nations financial institutions. They always expect the government to bail them out, which we are doing. However, the Democrats want to raise taxes and increase spending on social programs. Social programs never raise revenue, they mostly reward people for being lazy and having dozens of kids. A form of vote buying. We could go on and on about the economy and why small goverment is better than big government.

Well, I am just so appalled at members of this board defending such a liberal anti-family values candidate who has NO executive leadership experience. He has passed NO meaningful (if any) legislation why a 2 year member of the Senate. If I were voting Democrat I would definately vote for Hillary first. At least you know what you get with her. You dont know what you get with a Muslim who claims he isnt one.
Thank you. Anyone else wish to side with Oscama or Hitlary?