Ministerial Dress in the Pulpit

[secretplace]

How should minister's dress in the pulpit?

Is no tie with a suit acceptable on Sunday?

Is a sweater and casual pants acceptable on Wednesday night?

How does the Pastor dress in your church?

[IAintMovin]

I never wear a dress.......oh that would be bad.:dunno :dunno

[IBCrazier2]

I never wear a dress.......oh that would be bad.:dunno :dunno

I have heard of churches that that would be acceptable in......nevermind...:killinme

[ManOfWord]

Sometimes I wear a shirt and tie and sometimes I wear a crew neck with a jcaket. On Wednesday I rarely, if ever wear a tie and normally not even a jacket. I don't require our ministers to wear a tie either.

I think what's acceptable is what's acceptable for the specific congregation. (minus the dress) :D

[Ron]

Our Pastor, and all Ministers wear a suit & ties with a white shirt when in the pulpit.

Not saying you sre sinning if you don't but it is just a dress code we have for Ministers to put forth a Professional look.

[Ron]

Sometimes I wear a shirt and tie and sometimes I wear a crew neck with a jcaket. On Wednesday I rarely, if ever wear a tie and normally not even a jacket. I don't require our ministers to wear a tie either.

I think what's acceptable is what's acceptable for the specific congregation. (minus the dress) :D

I agree. (Although I am old fashioned with the suit and tie)

[IAintMovin]

Our Pastor, and all Ministers wear a suit & ties with a white shirt when in the pulpit.

Not saying you sre sinning if you don't but it is just a dress code we have for Ministers to put forth a Professional look.
I personally have no problem with a minister dressing as MOW has stated, but I have found in life, business and church - good, clean dress and with a crisp shirt and tie on gets better response most of the time than when I leave the tie off. Of coarse it could just be in our part of the country.

MOW please note I know you are classy in all your dress more so than many that dress with a tie and coat.

[secretplace]

Sometimes I wear a shirt and tie and sometimes I wear a crew neck with a jcaket. On Wednesday I rarely, if ever wear a tie and normally not even a jacket. I don't require our ministers to wear a tie either.

I think what's acceptable is what's acceptable for the specific congregation. (minus the dress) :D

Fact is the congregation doesn't usually have much to say about it.

[secretplace]

I never wear a dress.......oh that would be bad.:dunno :dunno

oh get yourself a kilt

[ChTatum]

Sunday mornings it is coat and tie 80% of the time, coat 99.9% of the time. Taking coat off during preaching, 99.9% of the time.

Sunday nights, coat and tie maybe 50%, coat 75%.

Wednesday nights no coat and no tie.

[secretplace]

Sunday mornings it is coat and tie 80% of the time, coat 99.9% of the time. Taking coat off during preaching, 99.9% of the time.

Sunday nights, coat and tie maybe 50%, coat 75%.

Wednesday nights no coat and no tie.

Interesting!

[ManOfWord]

I personally have no problem with a minister dressing as MOW has stated, but I have found in life, business and church - good, clean dress and with a crisp shirt and tie on gets better response most of the time than when I leave the tie off. Of coarse it could just be in our part of the country.

MOW please note I know you are classy in all your dress more so than many that dress with a tie and coat.

If I am in a situation that requires a more formal or "business" look, I don't hesitate to wear a nice dress shirt with a 100% silk tie etc!!!! (I just don't pay a lot for my silk ties, usually $10-15) :D

Fact is the congregation doesn't usually have much to say about it.

The congregation has plenty to say about it. I wouldn't think of not wearing a tie if I were ministering in a conservative congregation. I try to dress for the situation at hand. Local protocol is important to me. I just think it is respectful.

[ChTatum]

Interesting!


Yes, well, interesting is the number two thing I aim for, anointed being number 1!:bliss

[Neck]

How should minister's dress in the pulpit?

Is no tie with a suit acceptable on Sunday?

Is a sweater and casual pants acceptable on Wednesday night?

How does the Pastor dress in your church?

I am not concerned with how he is dressed. As long as it is modest. But he better come breathing words of life everlasting.

I work in sales and now most of the time we are overdressed for the appointment.

I had one fortune 10 company CIO tell me.

Wear it once shame on you. Wear it twice and I take the scissors to it.

He opened his drawer and he had tens of half ties in his desk...

[secretplace]

If I am in a situation that requires a more formal or "business" look, I don't hesitate to wear a nice dress shirt with a 100% silk tie etc!!!! (I just don't pay a lot for my silk ties, usually $10-15) :D



The congregation has plenty to say about it. I wouldn't think of not wearing a tie if I were ministering in a conservative congregation. I try to dress for the situation at hand. Local protocol is important to me. I just think it is respectful.

I don't consider I as a Saint have much to say about how a Pastor dresses. Where do y'all get the cheap ties?

[Ronzo]

I'll probably get stabbed for this...


Ah... never mind. Not worth it...

[Ron]

I am not concerned with how he is dressed. As long as it is modest. But he better come breathing words of life everlasting.

I work in sales and now most of the time we are overdressed for the appointment.

I had one fortune 10 company CIO tell me.

Wear it once shame on you. Wear it twice and I take the scissors to it.

He opened his drawer and he had tens of half ties in his desk...

I am sure glad he donsn't work in Canada!

[ManOfWord]

I don't consider I as a Saint have much to say about how a Pastor dresses. Where do y'all get the cheap ties?

It's not what you say with your words, it's what you say with your dress. I have few folks in our church who wear ties and coats. No one has ever told me what to wear, but I do notice my surroundings.

K & G Men's mart is my place to find nice clothes without breaking the bank!!!

[secretplace]

I am not concerned with how he is dressed. As long as it is modest. But he better come breathing words of life everlasting.

I work in sales and now most of the time we are overdressed for the appointment.

I had one fortune 10 company CIO tell me.

Wear it once shame on you. Wear it twice and I take the scissors to it.

He opened his drawer and he had tens of half ties in his desk...

Blue jeans maybe??

[Ronzo]

It's not what you say with your words, it's what you say with your dress. I have few folks in our church who wear ties and coats. No one has ever told me what to wear, but I do notice my surroundings.

K & G Men's mart is my place to find nice clothes without breaking the bank!!!

K&G went out of business here... that was a sad day when I found out.

[Sister Truth Seeker]

How should minister's dress in the pulpit?

Is no tie with a suit acceptable on Sunday?

Is a sweater and casual pants acceptable on Wednesday night?

How does the Pastor dress in your church?


Pastor, Senior Pastor, all minestry wear suits and ties at the pulpit...during serivice...

[secretplace]

Hi sis.m...stop lurking.

[sis.m]

Hi sis.m...stop lurking.

I'm not exactly lurking, just looking around:bliss . I do have a question--if the saints do not feel that the pastor's clothing is acceptable(in the pulpit). how do they approach the pastor with this problem?

[sis.m]

Any ideas on how to do this, secret place?

[secretplace]

Any ideas on how to do this, secret place?

I won't be doing it anytime soon...he's bigger than me.:killinme

[LaGirl]

My pastor and visiting ministers ALWAYS wear a suit and tie. i am glad. to me it looks better. our your leader doesnt always wear a tie. sometimes he wears a suit with a crew shirt under it. i do not like that look in the pulpit. i know..i am young, but old fashion in the way :-)

[ChTatum]

Approximately 725 years after Moses was instructed by God to fashion a brass serpent, people were still burning incense to it. It had long outlived its purpose, and had become an idol. King Hezekiah ordered it broken into pieces, saying it was "nehushtan". Just a piece of brass.

Many things in Pentecost have outlived their purpose, and if we are not careful, they can become an object of worship.

Adaptation is necessary for survival.

[LadyChocolate]

My pastor and visiting ministers ALWAYS wear a suit and tie. i am glad. to me it looks better. our your leader doesnt always wear a tie. sometimes he wears a suit with a crew shirt under it. i do not like that look in the pulpit. i know..i am young, but old fashion in the way :-)

Same here, young but old fashioned! (at least i think i'm young!) I prefer to see ministers in suits also. It just looks right! Now, I don't mind robes either... Robes can hides certain embarrassments! You know, when your shirt is untucked in the back and you don't know it, or if the terrible zipper is down.....robes are real handy then!

In my opinion, a casual dressed man will take a more casual approach to what ever he is doing......

[LaGirl]

Same here, young but old fashioned! (at least i think i'm young!) I prefer to see ministers in suits also. It just looks right! Now, I don't mind robes either... Robes can hides certain embarrassments! You know, when your shirt is untucked in the back and you don't know it, or if the terrible zipper is down.....robes are real handy then!
In my opinion, a casual dressed man will take a more casual approach to what ever he is doing......

very true!

[LaGirl]

Same here, young but old fashioned! (at least i think i'm young!) I prefer to see ministers in suits also. It just looks right! Now, I don't mind robes either... Robes can hides certain embarrassments! You know, when your shirt is untucked in the back and you don't know it, or if the terrible zipper is down.....robes are real handy then!

In my opinion, a casual dressed man will take a more casual approach to what ever he is doing......


well, i am 31...i know that isnt YOUNG YOUNG...but still not old :heeheehee

[secretplace]

Approximately 725 years after Moses was instructed by God to fashion a brass serpent, people were still burning incense to it. It had long outlived its purpose, and had become an idol. King Hezekiah ordered it broken into pieces, saying it was "nehushtan". Just a piece of brass.

Many things in Pentecost have outlived their purpose, and if we are not careful, they can become an object of worship.

Adaptation is necessary for survival.

I don't think a suit and tie will ever become an object of worship. The church should never become commonplace. When the dress code goes down so does the respect and reverence.

[secretplace]

Same here, young but old fashioned! (at least i think i'm young!) I prefer to see ministers in suits also. It just looks right! Now, I don't mind robes either... Robes can hides certain embarrassments! You know, when your shirt is untucked in the back and you don't know it, or if the terrible zipper is down.....robes are real handy then!

In my opinion, a casual dressed man will take a more casual approach to what ever he is doing......

Don't care for robes myself...they remind me of catholics and anglicans.

[secretplace]

PM incoming Sis. M.

[LadyChocolate]

Don't care for robes myself...they remind me of catholics and anglicans.

I am thinking more in lines of blue and gold robes...or red and white...some that i've seen in choirs...they look really cool!

[LadyChocolate]

I don't think a suit and tie will ever become an object of worship. The church should never become commonplace. When the dress code goes down so does the respect and reverence.

I agree with this!

well, i am 31...i know that isnt YOUNG YOUNG...but still not old :heeheehee

soon to be 31! Don't feel old one bit, however, I'm too old to be in the youth group...and I tried to get in!!!lol

[LaGirl]

I agree with this!



soon to be 31! Don't feel old one bit, however, I'm too old to be in the youth group...and I tried to get in!!!lol

lol...i hear ya! i am making PIES right now for our youth group! to old to be in the youth group, but not TOO old to do the work! lol :ranting

[LadyChocolate]

lol...i hear ya! i am making PIES right now for our youth group! to old to be in the youth group, but not TOO old to do the work! lol :ranting

:killinme yep, that's how it is!

[LaGirl]

:killinme yep, that's how it is!

oh well! cant win all the time...can you?? :drawguns

[LadyChocolate]

oh well! cant win all the time...can you?? :drawguns

actually being "older and wiser" we can win! lol :grampa

[LadyChocolate]

I think we hijacked the thread.....shame on you!:hijacked

[LaGirl]

I think we hijacked the thread.....shame on you!:hijacked

me??? NOT ME!!! you are the one talking about ROBES and zippers and all that! :tease :highfive

[LadyChocolate]

me??? NOT ME!!! you are the one talking about ROBES and zippers and all that! :tease :highfive

yeah! robes and zippers and the way ministers should dress! lol

Anyway! Getting back on the subject, I think the whole platform crew (men) should wear their ties to where they are only about 4 inches long! lolol

[rrford]

If I am in a situation that requires a more formal or "business" look, I don't hesitate to wear a nice dress shirt with a 100% silk tie etc!!!! (I just don't pay a lot for my silk ties, usually $10-15) :D



The congregation has plenty to say about it. I wouldn't think of not wearing a tie if I were ministering in a conservative congregation. I try to dress for the situation at hand. Local protocol is important to me. I just think it is respectful.

Talk about a typical stereotype! :tease

By this statement you are implying that no conservative church would imagine the dress code you advocate. Seen it with my own eyes.

[LaGirl]

yeah! robes and zippers and the way ministers should dress! lol

Anyway! Getting back on the subject, I think the whole platform crew (men) should wear their ties to where they are only about 4 inches long! lolol

NOOOO....i HATE THOSE!!!! lucky our young men DO NOT wear them. they do good to wear a nice shirt and pants. actually, some do wear suits. i have noticed the guys that have a calling to the ministry ALWAYS wear suits. i think that is cool. there are 2 in high school that wear suits EVERY service.

[LadyChocolate]

NOOOO....i HATE THOSE!!!! lucky our young men DO NOT wear them. they do good to wear a nice shirt and pants. actually, some do wear suits. i have noticed the guys that have a calling to the ministry ALWAYS wear suits. i think that is cool. there are 2 in high school that wear suits EVERY service.


One service night, most all of our young men wore their suits that night...We should've known something was up then... They were snickering and laughing all through out the service. They decided to take off their coats and they had all shortened their ties like majorly! I laughed sooooo hard.... The pastor didn't think it was funny because he that they were disrupting service...and one of the boys was his son! I thought it was funny!!! lolol

I notice too, that young men who are feeling the call to preach will dress in a suit more often than other young men! I think it's cool.!

[Trouvere]

I think they should all wear a generic robe.It would cut down on all the
money spent on clothes.:killinme

[Garfield]

Black or Blue Hart suit, white shirt, matching Versace tie and black skin shoes.

[Bryan]

Is it only apostolics that won't take your message seriously if you are not wearing a coat and tie??

[The Kid]

I think they should all wear a generic robe.It would cut down on all the
money spent on clothes.:killinme

Robes are dresses...no separation of the sexes and all that. :tease

Think about it.

In a business setting, business dress is meant to exude respect, significance, seriousness.

It is the exact same thing in church.

I remember when getting dressed for church was just as vital a part as the service itself. Everyone wanted to have that same poofy starched look when they took off their jacket...just like the preacher.

Ahhhhh....those were the days. :D

[LaGirl]

Robes are dresses...no separation of the sexes and all that. :tease

Think about it.

In a business setting, business dress is meant to exude respect, significance, seriousness.

It is the exact same thing in church.

I remember when getting dressed for church was just as vital a part as the service itself. Everyone wanted to have that same poofy starched look when they took off their jacket...just like the preacher.

Ahhhhh....those were the days. :D


lol...you are right! i remember that too!!! :highfive

[Malvaro]

Sometimes I wear a shirt and tie and sometimes I wear a crew neck with a jcaket. On Wednesday I rarely, if ever wear a tie and normally not even a jacket. I don't require our ministers to wear a tie either.

I think what's acceptable is what's acceptable for the specific congregation. (minus the dress) :D

MOW, you need to persuade my pastor to do that :killinme heheheh

[RevDWW]

Are ties of the devil? I know of no scripture that says we should wear ties!

[Ronzo]

Are ties of the devil? I know of no scripture that says we should wear ties!

Or suits for that matter...

[ManOfWord]

MOW, you need to persuade my pastor to do that :killinme heheheh


Ha! I used to think it was a really big deal having and enforcing a "platform standard." It realy all depends on a person's view of the church service etc. Some think the service deserves our best including the clothes we wear to it out of respect. Others want to display a "business" decorum. Still others take a "laid back" because society is more laid back today approach.

I used to make and try to enforce a myriad of rules. Bro. Kilgore said once and I have never forgotten it, "Don't make so many rules that you spend all of your time trying to enforce them." That makes a lot of sense to me. Sin is not acceptable in any form and modesty should be the norm, but there certainly is a lot of leeway when it comes to how we cloth ourselves in church.

If we want to be a church with diversity, we must be willing to accept diversity. NLC is such a church. We are a very mixed congregation both racially, gender, age wise and socio-economic. I guess I want my platform to reflect the kinds of people I want to draw and will feel accepted.

I'm not saying everyone else has to do it that way. That is just my approach.

[Pragmatist]

No scriptural basis for it, but I think one should wear his best to church, whatever his best is. My husband is from India and he says only the rich wear suits there; everyone else generally wears a white shirt and tie. When he first came to a church in America, he thought many were rich due to their wearing suits.

I think we should be welcoming and accepting of people no matter what they wear, but I try to set an example by dressing nicely for church. I think it is a matter of respect and reverence.

[Garfield]

Oh Good Grief. Just more of the "dumming down" of the ministry.

[rrford]

Oh Good Grief. Just more of the "dumming down" of the ministry.

No, no, no. Just being "relevant" and following the trend of the world in how they dress for things.



(Waiting for repsonses to that one.:tease )

[ManOfWord]

Oh Good Grief. Just more of the "dumming down" of the ministry.


Oh Good Grief....I'm sure you meant "dumbing" down of the ministry. :D

[rrford]

Oh Good Grief....I'm sure you meant "dumbing" down of the ministry. :D

:killinme :killinme

[Garfield]

Oh Good Grief....I'm sure you meant "dumbing" down of the ministry. :D



Yep.


:tease

[ManOfWord]

Yep.


:tease

So, I guess that puts you in the ministry? :D

[Garfield]

So, I guess that puts you in the ministry? :D

If being DUMB makes me a preacher, I know some Apostle Pauls on this forum.

[ManOfWord]

If being DUMB makes me a preacher, I know some Apostle Pauls on this forum.

Ha! I would have to agree with that one! :D

[AtlantaBishop]

I always wear a suit with tie on Sunday mornings. My ministers usually wear - "Dressy Casual" on Sunday morning unless they are ministering - which is rare. I ask that all the ladies on the platform wear dresses or skirts.
I do not require my guest singers or musicians to wear a dress.

Most of us wear dressy jeans or dressy casual on Wednesday night.

[Ronzo]

No, no, no. Just being "relevant" and following the trend of the world in how they dress for things.



(Waiting for repsonses to that one.:tease )

Here's a response...



Gimme a break.

[secretplace]

I'd rather not introduce someone to a "blue jean pastor" unless he's painting or doing other such labour that requires very casual clothes.

Well it appears we have some different opinions on this thread. Isn't that a surprise? I think the way we dress has something to do with reverence as someone has already said. The Pastor sets the standard. If he slouches in soon everyone will be slouching in...the result being a "slouchy" church.

[ManOfWord]

I'd rather not introduce someone to a "blue jean pastor" unless he's painting or doing other such labour that requires very casual clothes.

Well it appears we have some different opinions on this thread. Isn't that a surprise? I think the way we dress has something to do with reverence as someone has already said. The Pastor sets the standard. If he slouches in soon everyone will be slouching in...the result being a "slouchy" church.

Yes, the way we dress does have something to do with reverence. The question is, reverence for WHAT?

And just how would you describe a "slouchy" pastor or a "slouchy" church?

[Ronzo]

*Ronzo sings in the vein of Tevye*


TRADITION!!

[ManOfWord]

*Ronzo sings in the vein of Tevye*


TRADITION!!

You must have read my mind!!! I have used that video clip on more than one ocassion in a sermon. It is classic and really to the point. :D

[Drama Queen]

How should minister's dress in the pulpit?

Is no tie with a suit acceptable on Sunday?

Is a sweater and casual pants acceptable on Wednesday night?

How does the Pastor dress in your church?

Isn't this subject covered in the manual? Everything else seems to be! :tease

[Ronzo]

You must have read my mind!!! I have used that video clip on more than one ocassion in a sermon. It is classic and really to the point. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRdfX7ut8gw


lol

[ManOfWord]

Isn't this subject covered in the manual? Everything else seems to be! :tease

If a certain "ideology" gets entrenched, that and many other issues will be added to that "sacred writ." :D

[NLYP]

Isn't this subject covered in the manual? Everything else seems to be! :tease

Honey! I am so proud of you! Said like a true NLYP wife!

[Ronzo]

If a certain "ideology" gets entrenched, that and many other issues will be added to that "sacred writ." :D

The biblical commands are not strong enough. We MUST build fences around them. Then... we must build fences around the fences... and fences around the fences around the fences around the commands!


Tradition!!!

[ManOfWord]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRdfX7ut8gw


lol

That is the exact one I am talking about!!! There's just way too much truth in that short clip.

Topol does a great job in that role. I also read somewhere that the horse in this clip was taken care of by the producer or director until it died. :D

[Ronzo]

It was an excellent movie.

[ManOfWord]

The biblical commands are not strong enough. We MUST build fences around them. Then... we must build fences around the fences... and fences around the fences around the fences around the commands!


Tradition!!!

That was the rabbinical way. Build the fences so that the heart-felt Jew, even if he or she crossed the fence, they would not break God's law. Unfortunately, the fences were elevated to the same level as the law. Then they were no longer fences, they became required and not just required for fellowship but eventually to be a Jew.

Sounds all too familiar, huh?

[Ronzo]

Sounds all too familiar, huh?
The object of knowing history is to learn from it... not repeat it.

[ManOfWord]

The object of knowing history is to learn from it... not repeat it.

History teaches us........................................


that history teaches us.................................



NOTHING!!!!

[rrford]

History teaches us........................................


that history teaches us.................................



NOTHING!!!!

But for balance on the "fences" comments one needs to also contemplate why England now considers herself to be a post-Christian nation.


Balance, folks. Balance.

[whollyHis]

No one here wears robes to preach in ??? :bliss

[rrford]

No one here wears robes to preach in ??? :bliss

Uhm, ask Pianoman. :heeheehee

[whollyHis]

Uhm, ask Pianoman. :heeheehee


I'm skeered to...since you told me to ask...LOL :killinme

[ManOfWord]

But for balance on the "fences" comments one needs to also contemplate why England now considers herself to be a post-Christian nation.


Balance, folks. Balance.

It is not because she crossed the fences, but because she left the foundation. Many don't cross the fences and yet have no foundation. Balance, indeed is in need. :D

[AmazingGrace]

I'm skeered to...since you told me to ask...LOL :killinme



I know huh? LOL

Almost as bad as me every time I read the title to this thread I have to pray that God take the image of preachers in dresses behind the pulpit! I know I have gone to Dallas and things are a bit different here but they arent that different I dont think! LOL

[rrford]

It is not because she crossed the fences, but because she left the foundation. Many don't cross the fences and yet have no foundation. Balance, indeed is in need. :D

Actually she burned the fences and destroyed the foundation.

And I do agree that way too many have a relationship and respect for fences without having a foundation.

Reminds me of an awesome message Jeff Morgan preached regarding walls. They served a distinct purpose and if we forget their purpose then the wall becomes a monument to something else.

[whollyHis]

I know huh? LOL

Almost as bad as me every time I read the title to this thread I have to pray that God take the image of preachers in dresses behind the pulpit! I know I have gone to Dallas and things are a bit different here but they arent that different I dont think! LOL


teehee...

[ManOfWord]

Actually she burned the fences and destroyed the foundation.

And I do agree that way too many have a relationship and respect for fences without having a foundation.

Reminds me of an awesome message Jeff Morgan preached regarding walls. They served a distinct purpose and if we forget their purpose then the wall becomes a monument to something else.

Yes, it has the potential to become a monument to ................TRADITION!

Now, I can walk that balance. And that is what I call religion without relationship.

One is not assured of the other. We crossesd the "fences" over a decade ago and have still not left the foundation.

[rrford]

Yes, it has the potential to become a monument to ................TRADITION!

Now, I can walk that balance. And that is what I call religion without relationship.

One is not assured of the other. We crossesd the "fences" over a decade ago and have still not left the foundation.

But here is where the problems arise. Not all fences should be crossed and not all foundations should be built on. In the long run we all have to be incredibly careful about what we build and what we tear down. Not all foundations are good and not all fences are bad.

[ManOfWord]

But here is where the problems arise. Not all fences should be crossed and not all foundations should be built on. In the long run we all have to be incredibly careful about what we build and what we tear down. Not all foundations are good and not all fences are bad.

This is so true. We can't throw caution to the wind. However, fences should never attain the level of precept even if it is good not to cross them. A fence should always remain what it is and that is simply a fence. It should be understood that a fence is not a foundation even if it is good for us. There is only ONE foundation worthy of building on.

[Bishop1]

NO ROBES ?



Bishop1
:beatdeadhorse

[Steve Epley]

I always wear a suit and white shirt and tie and NO I do NOT take my coat off while preaching.

[Truly Blessed]

This is so true. We can't throw caution to the wind. However, fences should never attain the level of precept even if it is good not to cross them. A fence should always remain what it is and that is simply a fence. It should be understood that a fence is not a foundation even if it is good for us. There is only ONE foundation worthy of building on.Good point MOW! We have a lot of the problems we have in Pentecost for that very reason. The foundation is Jesus Christ. Through the years I have had to reset the fence from time to time because got has enlarged my borders, but my foundation as always been and always will be Jesus Christ.

[Truly Blessed]

I always wear a suit and white shirt and tie and NO I do NOT take my coat off while preaching.And that is because.........?

[Praxeas]

I always wear a suit and white shirt and tie and NO I do NOT take my coat off while preaching.
plain tie or fancy with shiny colors :-)

Oh yes....tie clip?:tease

[Praxeas]

And that is because.........?
The sign out front says "no shirt no service"? :killinme

[Truly Blessed]

The sign out front says "no shirt no service"? :killinmeActually, most people probably PREFER that he wear a shirt. It's the not taking his jacket off that has me puzzled. You sure the sign doesn't read, "No Jacket, No Packet (as in welcome packet) :)

[Steve Epley]

And that is because.........?

This is PAW oriented country and it is a custom among them NEVER to remove your jacket preaching. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo. It is just something that is not done around here. When the Southern guys come up and preach our folks are amazed to see the preacher take his coat off when he begins preaching. Heat or cold coat stays on.

[ZeroedIn]

I wear a tie and starched shirt 99% of the time, I agree with Beaux. I usually gain more by dressing that way. It seems to raise the level of people's respect for whoever is in the pulpit, whenever they are dressed professionally.

[Esther]

This is PAW oriented country and it is a custom among them NEVER to remove your jacket preaching. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo. It is just something that is not done around here. When the Southern guys come up and preach our folks are amazed to see the preacher take his coat off when he begins preaching. Heat or cold coat stays on.

TRADITION? :)

[Ronzo]

Tevye strikes again

[ManOfWord]

No one here wears robes to preach in ??? :bliss

I am sure that there are some folks here at NLC that would be comfortable with me wearing vestments due to their culturaal background. But in all honesty, vestments AIN'T me!

I rarely take off my coat, but that is only becuase it isn't necessary for me to do so. I can make my points fairly well with it on.

[LadyRev]

Interesting...

I'd be interested to hear what some of you would say if a lady preacher (assuming you accept them, if not, don't bother) stepped to the pulpit dressed "casual" by any definition of the word.

[Esther]

Interesting...

I'd be interested to hear what some of you would say if a lady preacher (assuming you accept them, if not, don't bother) stepped to the pulpit dressed "casual" by any definition of the word.

See all should wear Robes, then there will be no difference. ;)

[Ronzo]

Interesting...

I'd be interested to hear what some of you would say if a lady preacher (assuming you accept them, if not, don't bother) stepped to the pulpit dressed "casual" by any definition of the word.

You get the tar... I'll get the feathers.

[drummerboy_dave]

This is PAW oriented country and it is a custom among them NEVER to remove your jacket preaching. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo. It is just something that is not done around here. When the Southern guys come up and preach our folks are amazed to see the preacher take his coat off when he begins preaching. Heat or cold coat stays on.Many PAW preachers around here use robes.

[Steve Epley]

Their roots are here and it was a custom to always keep your coat on. A good tradition I think. However we have Southern brethren come and preach with their coat off. My guys smile at me when they pull the preacher pulls his coat off. I tell them don't undress in the pulpit.:tease

[Felicity]

Their roots are here and it was a custom to always keep your coat on. A good tradition I think. However we have Southern brethren come and preach with their coat off. My guys smile at me when they pull the preacher pulls his coat off. I tell them don't undress in the pulpit.:teaseTaking a suit jacket off isn't exactly undressing.

I like it when preachers take off their jacket, loosen their tie and pull up their shirt sleeves. Then they can really go to work and PREACH! Hehe. ;) :)

[ManOfWord]

Taking a suit jacket off isn't exactly undressing.

I like it when preachers take off their jacket, loosen their tie and pull up their shirt sleeves. Then they can really go to work and PREACH! Hehe. ;) :)

You just like it when TB does that!!! I'll bet you cheer him on too, don't you? :D

[LadyRev]

See all should wear Robes, then there will be no difference. ;)


Ooooo not touchin this. :heeheehee

[LadyRev]

You get the tar... I'll get the feathers.

I suspect you are right!

And Lord forbid that a woman, preacher or no preacher, come to CHURCH service in a DENIM SKIRT!

(Where ya at Bishop1?)

[Felicity]

You just like it when TB does that!!! I'll bet you cheer him on too, don't you? :D I'm always after him to loosen his tie and roll his shirt sleeves up - especially when he's out of the pulpit.

He doesn't do it all that often when he's preaching. He's not the "work yourself into a lather - scream and yell" kind of preacher. But on occasion if he gets warm enough he'll take his jacket off, loosen his tie and roll up his sleeves.

And when he does I think ..... "Yes!" :thumbsup

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Their roots are here and it was a custom to always keep your coat on. A good tradition I think. However we have Southern brethren come and preach with their coat off. My guys smile at me when they pull the preacher pulls his coat off. I tell them don't undress in the pulpit.:tease


I remember seeing J T Pugh preaching a camp at 75 yrs old. Dripping sweat was the rule. My Father-in-law reminded me that "he kept his working clothes on." It was a silent prod about my showing up with no suit jacket on to midweek services. :dunno

[Blubayou]

I do think that the way you dress sets a tone, and can command respect. I always told the teachers I worked with, that if they wanted to treated like professionals,dress like one. That said, I do not have a problem with a pastor coming to the pulpit in more casual attire than a suit and tie.

[Chan]

Yes, well, interesting is the number two thing I aim for, anointed being number 1!:blissI draw the line at shorts. I think it is entirely inappropriate to wear shorts to church - especially if the person wearing shorts is the one in the pulpit. There is something to be said for modesty!

[Mr. Steinway]

Uhm, ask Pianoman. :heeheehee
:killinme

The only time the pastors wear a robe at Christ Church is for special ceremonial type services such as ministerial ordinations, weddings (the couple is given a choice between the pastor wearing a suit or robe), and our annual Christmas Eve candlelight and communion service at 11:00PM.

On our Sunday AM services, all of the pastors wear a suit and tie. On Wednesday night and Sunday night they wear a Suit Jacket.

I have visited many churches, and it seems that the pastor dresses to the generation he is focused on reaching.

[secretplace]

Yes, the way we dress does have something to do with reverence. The question is, reverence for WHAT?

And just how would you describe a "slouchy" pastor or a "slouchy" church?

I was speaking of reverence for God and the House of God. I believe God and the House of God deserves our best.

I was exaggerating when I said "slouchy pastor". I don't know any slouchy pastors.

[secretplace]

In Bible Colleges how are they teaching young ministers to dress when in the pulpit? Anyone know?

[ManOfWord]

I was speaking of reverence for God and the House of God. I believe God and the House of God deserves our best.

I was exaggerating when I said "slouchy pastor". I don't know any slouchy pastors.

It wasn't long after I got saved that leisure suits became popular. I thought it was an abomination and that the anti-christ was soon to come on the scene. I thought that is was a travesty that people would dress in such a way in the house of GOD!

Since then, I have come to acknowledge that the clothes are not near as important as the person's heart. I used to think that clothes in church less than suit and tie and dressy dresses, were a tell tale indicator of a lack of spirituality! There is a reason I don't think that way any more. Simply, I have come to know the people who don't dress up and I have found that the clothes have absolutely nothing to do with it. At least that is my experience. :D

[Ronzo]

... and I have found that the clothes have absolutely nothing to do with it. At least that is my experience. :D

Well brother, as soon as we let people start dressing 'casual' in chruch, that's when they'll let everything else go to and soon, you'll have folks sleeping with one another and committing adultery...

Once you unplug that cork... it's ALL gone...




*fiddle plays in the background*

Tradition!!!!

[Mr. Steinway]

FWIW, My dad used to mow the grass in his suit and tie!!!!!

[Ronzo]

FWIW, My dad used to mow the grass in his suit and tie!!!!!

Must have been rich to afford all that dry cleaning.

[Rhoni]

I'll just have to tell this...a couple years ago Franklin Jentzen's church in Atlanta decided to go casual on the platform...when I was visiting I did not feel the least bit impressed with the wrinkled shirts and jeans...I sent him an e-mail about the lack of professionalism and that I was raised to wear my best for the Lord. While you could not enforce, nor would you ever want to make anyone feel uncomfortable wearing what they have to church, I felt the leadership should be more of an example.

He changed it back within two weeks. I am sure it wasn't just my e-mail but he probably got many! LOL

Blessings, Rhoni

[Mr. Steinway]

Must have been rich to afford all that dry cleaning.

hahaha He wore a suit and tie from sun-up to to sun-down!

[Ronzo]

I'll just have to tell this...a couple years ago Franklin Jentzen's church in Atlanta decided to go casual on the platform...when I was visiting I did not feel the least bit impressed with the wrinkled shirts and jeans...I sent him an e-mail about the lack of professionalism and that I was raised to wear my best for the Lord. While you could not enforce, nor would you ever want to make anyone feel uncomfortable wearing what they have to church, I felt the leadership should be more of an example.

He changed it back within two weeks. I am sure it wasn't just my e-mail but he probably got many! LOL

Blessings, Rhoni


"No suit and tie" does not have to equate to "sloppy wrinkled shirts and jeans".

There is some acceptable ground in between the two. It's not hard to find it.

[LadyChocolate]

I don't consider I as a Saint have much to say about how a Pastor dresses. Where do y'all get the cheap ties?
Burlinton coat factory! nice ties and good price! nice dress socks too!
FWIW, My dad used to mow the grass in his suit and tie!!!!!

lol! sounds like my father in law. He did everything in his white dress shirt. whether working in the yard, going to town, the store, gas station...everything was done in his church clothes...lol

[ChTatum]

I'll just have to tell this...a couple years ago Franklin Jentzen's church in Atlanta decided to go casual on the platform...when I was visiting I did not feel the least bit impressed with the wrinkled shirts and jeans...I sent him an e-mail about the lack of professionalism and that I was raised to wear my best for the Lord. While you could not enforce, nor would you ever want to make anyone feel uncomfortable wearing what they have to church, I felt the leadership should be more of an example.

He changed it back within two weeks. I am sure it wasn't just my e-mail but he probably got many! LOL

Blessings, Rhoni

Sister,
It's Jentezen Franklin, and the church is is Gainesville, GA.
I am not trying to be rude, please forgive if this comes across as heavy-handed.
Atlanta Bishop could tell you more.

[Pragmatist]

Since then, I have come to acknowledge that the clothes are near as important as the person's heart. I used to think that clothes in church less than suit and tie and dressy dresses, were a tell tale indicator of a lack of spirituality! There is a reason I don't think that way any more. Simply, I have come to know the people who don't dress up and I have found that the clothes have absolutely nothing to do with it. At least that is my experience. :D

I agree that clothing is not an indicator of spirituality and people should not be made to feel less if they are not dressed up. At the same time, I think the tradition of dressing up is a good one and intend to lead by example.

[COOPER]

Sometimes I wear a shirt and tie and sometimes I wear a crew neck with a jcaket. On Wednesday I rarely, if ever wear a tie and normally not even a jacket. I don't require our ministers to wear a tie either.

I think what's acceptable is what's acceptable for the specific congregation. (minus the dress) :D

I like this guy.

[ManOfWord]

Well brother, as soon as we let people start dressing 'casual' in chruch, that's when they'll let everything else go to and soon, you'll have folks sleeping with one another and committing adultery...

Once you unplug that cork... it's ALL gone...




*fiddle plays in the background*

Tradition!!!!

Ha! I've been hearing that tune for over 10yrs now. It hasn't happened yet! Imagine allowing people liberty and them not going overboard with it. Imagine people with cut hair and slacks and, God forbid, facial hair, still living holy and acting like they love Jesus and each other! :D

[COOPER]

Ha! I've been hearing that tune for over 10yrs now. It hasn't happened yet! Imagine allowing people liberty and them not going overboard with it. Imagine people with cut hair and slacks and, God forbid, facial hair, still living holy and acting like they love Jesus and each other! :D

Oh no!!! The Dam's gonna break!:killinme

[Ronzo]

Ha! I've been hearing that tune for over 10yrs now. It hasn't happened yet! Imagine allowing people liberty and them not going overboard with it. Imagine people with cut hair and slacks and, God forbid, facial hair, still living holy and acting like they love Jesus and each other! :D

Imagine that.

[stmatthew]

Ties are demons of bondage, and they choke out the life of God in the wearer. They have been cast out of my life, and I am not going to give them place to come back, less I be 7 times worse than at first.







:D

[Rhoni]

"No suit and tie" does not have to equate to "sloppy wrinkled shirts and jeans".

There is some acceptable ground in between the two. It's not hard to find it.

I agree!:heeheehee I was shocked to see the sloppy dress...especially on the platform...My Momma raised me better than that!

Blessings, Rhoni

[Ronzo]

Ties are demons of bondage, and they choke out the life of God in the wearer. They have been cast out of my life, and I am not going to give them place to come back, less I be 7 times worse than at first.


:D


I feel-uh the anointing-uh!

[Sister Alvear]

My husband dresses in a suit and if it is too hot a nice shirt dress pants and tie for services...I am proud of him! He is our minister and our pastor...however we have NO HALF to's how the ministers dress here in the northeast as it is very hot and many of our churches do not ever have a fan!

In the south where it is cooler I notice the pastor's mostly all wear suits...

[freeatlast]

Ties are optional in my church Crisp clean "business casual is recommended to all who on my worship team.

We discourage blue jeans and tennis shoes.

The percentage of men who do not own a suit in America is huge. We do not want our guests to feel like they "went to the prom with out a tux"

We have many that do wear siut or sport jacket with a tie,

We don't feel those who wear ties will be lost when Jesus comes...just less comfortable ;-) TIC....please don't shoot me.

[Rhoni]

Ties are optional in my church Crisp clean "business casual is recommended to all who on my worship team.

We discourage blue jeans and tennis shoes.

The percentage of men who do not own a suit in America is huge. We do not want our guests to feel like they "went to the prom with out a tux"

We have many that do wear siut or sport jacket with a tie,

We don't feel those who wear ties will be lost when Jesus comes...just less comfortable ;-) TIC....please don't shoot me.

I agree! Business casual is good and forget the ties!:heeheehee

[Ronzo]

We don't feel those who wear ties will be lost when Jesus comes...just less comfortable ;-) TIC....please don't shoot me.

:drawguns :hurtyou

[philjones]

Approximately 725 years after Moses was instructed by God to fashion a brass serpent, people were still burning incense to it. It had long outlived its purpose, and had become an idol. King Hezekiah ordered it broken into pieces, saying it was "nehushtan". Just a piece of brass.

Many things in Pentecost have outlived their purpose, and if we are not careful, they can become an object of worship.

Adaptation is necessary for survival.

Bro. Tatum,

Why must we be the ones to adapt and adopt the practices of our culture? I find your premise to be factual but ultimately a straw man created to justify your desires (nothing wrong with the desires but yours nevertheless). Certainly we can make an idol out of anything, including those things which are holy, but desiring to present a professional appearance doesn't fall into the category of idolatry and you are scone with too much marmalade to make this comparison!

Love you! Have a great day. I must now go to work.

Admin, how is this for a first post?:bliss :bliss

[Rhoni]

Bro. Tatum,

Why must we be the ones to adapt and adopt the practices of our culture? I find your premise to be factual but ultimately a straw man created to justify your desires (nothing wrong with the desires but yours nevertheless). Certainly we can make an idol out of anything, including those things which are holy, but desiring to present a professional appearance doesn't fall into the category of idolatry and you are scone with too much marmalade to make this comparison!

Love you! Have a great day. I must now go to work.

Admin, how is this for a first post?:bliss :bliss


Not admin, but :highfive

[philjones]

Ties are demons of bondage, and they choke out the life of God in the wearer. They have been cast out of my life, and I am not going to give them place to come back, less I be 7 times worse than at first.







:D

Oh no... what's next... short sleeves and, heaven forbid, tank tops???:killinme :killinme

Get out of all the bondage... there is a beach in SoCal that allows for complete expression of freedom... who knows... where the slippery slope will end... first no ties and then no clothes!!!!:killinme :killinme :killinme

[philjones]

:drawguns :hurtyou

Boy have I missed that cat!:highfive :ty

[Ronzo]

Oh no... what's next... short sleeves and, heaven forbid, tank tops???:killinme :killinme

Get out of all the bondage... there is a beach in SoCal that allows for complete expression of freedom... who knows... where the slippery slope will end... first no ties and then no clothes!!!!:killinme :killinme :killinme

We have a park here in Austin on Lake Travis where you can do the same...

It's called "Hippie Hollow".

[Garfield]

FWIW, My dad used to mow the grass in his suit and tie!!!!!

I heard the story from a man that saw the late D.L. Welch from Pensalcola, FL. fishing in his dress hat, a white shirt and a tie. He had folded his coat and laid it in the boat. When asked about it, Bro. Welch responded "You never know when you might be called on the preach".

[IAintMovin]

Boy have I missed that cat!:highfive :tyPhilly, welcome to da house....glad you are here...

[Whole Hearted]

Here the preachers wear suit and tie. Any other man on the platform wear suit and tie or dress shirt and tie, no casual dress.

[Charlie Brown]

Here the preachers wear suit and tie. Any other man on the platform wear suit and tie or dress shirt and tie, no casual dress.

That is because you guys are really business men. :killinme

[Esther]

I heard the story from a man that saw the late D.L. Welch from Pensalcola, FL. fishing in his dress hat, a white shirt and a tie. He had folded his coat and laid it in the boat. When asked about it, Bro. Welch responded "You never know when you might be called on the preach".

How about some common sense???

This is indeed way out there. :)

[Charlie Brown]

I heard the story from a man that saw the late D.L. Welch from Pensalcola, FL. fishing in his dress hat, a white shirt and a tie. He had folded his coat and laid it in the boat. When asked about it, Bro. Welch responded "You never know when you might be called on the preach".

Tim Spell where's a suit all the time for the same reason. I guess he just never knows when he may meet someone that needs a song of encouragement. :bliss

[Whole Hearted]

That is because you guys are really business men. :killinme



Well if I go to town to take care of church business i always dress as a pastor. I think we should respect the office of pastor.

[Charlie Brown]

Well if I go to town to take care of church business i always dress as a pastor. I think we should respect the office of pastor.

I am just teasing you Bro! You are a business man. In the business of winning souls, and keeping them saved. Amen? :highfive

[ChTatum]

Bro. Tatum,

Why must we be the ones to adapt and adopt the practices of our culture? I find your premise to be factual but ultimately a straw man created to justify your desires (nothing wrong with the desires but yours nevertheless). Certainly we can make an idol out of anything, including those things which are holy, but desiring to present a professional appearance doesn't fall into the category of idolatry and you are scone with too much marmalade to make this comparison!

Love you! Have a great day. I must now go to work.

Admin, how is this for a first post?:bliss :bliss

Bro. Jones,
I understand your premise, but we have already adapted. The "professional attire" was instituted by whom?
It certainly was not John the Baptist....
Please understand, I do not like jeans and shirt-tails hanging out, and I do enforce a pulpit "standard" that some would say is legalistic. My point is many things, not just or only clothing, have become "icons" unto themselves. At one time they were profitable and necessary, but their usefulness or relevance has now passed by.

(BTW, the scone and marmalade was not a reference to my obesity, was it? LOL!):drawguns

[Garfield]

Bro. Jones,
I understand your premise, but we have already adapted. The "professional attire" was instituted by whom?
It certainly was not John the Baptist....
Please understand, I do not like jeans and shirt-tails hanging out, and I do enforce a pulpit "standard" that some would say is legalistic. My point is many things, not just or only clothing, have become "icons" unto themselves. At one time they were profitable and necessary, but their usefulness or relevance has now passed by.

(BTW, the scone and marmalade was not a reference to my obesity, was it? LOL!):drawguns

Care to list some other things that "their usefulness or relevance has now passed by"?

[ChTatum]

Care to list some other things that "their usefulness or relevance has now passed by"?


Horse-drawn buggies.

Wash boards.

Sundials.

"Bag" cell phones.

The U. S. Postal Service.


Seriously, I have no desire to list specific things in the church which would only foster disagreements or arguments.

[secretplace]

I'll just have to tell this...a couple years ago Franklin Jentzen's church in Atlanta decided to go casual on the platform...when I was visiting I did not feel the least bit impressed with the wrinkled shirts and jeans...I sent him an e-mail about the lack of professionalism and that I was raised to wear my best for the Lord. While you could not enforce, nor would you ever want to make anyone feel uncomfortable wearing what they have to church, I felt the leadership should be more of an example.

He changed it back within two weeks. I am sure it wasn't just my e-mail but he probably got many! LOL

Blessings, Rhoni

I admire your 'spunk' to do this. I'd like to send an email or two.:killinme

[secretplace]

I agree that clothing is not an indicator of spirituality and people should not be made to feel less if they are not dressed up. At the same time, I think the tradition of dressing up is a good one and intend to lead by example.

I like it.:thumbsup

[philjones]

We have a park here in Austin on Lake Travis where you can do the same...

It's called "Hippie Hollow".

Well, Austin is the San Francisco of Texas!:drawguns :bliss :bliss

JK JK

[philjones]

Philly, welcome to da house....glad you are here...

Thanks for the welcome... I am glad to be here!:ty :ty

[philjones]

Bro. Jones,
I understand your premise, but we have already adapted. The "professional attire" was instituted by whom?
It certainly was not John the Baptist....
Please understand, I do not like jeans and shirt-tails hanging out, and I do enforce a pulpit "standard" that some would say is legalistic. My point is many things, not just or only clothing, have become "icons" unto themselves. At one time they were profitable and necessary, but their usefulness or relevance has now passed by.

(BTW, the scone and marmalade was not a reference to my obesity, was it? LOL!):drawguns

Fat people DO NOT make fun of Fat people! Nuff said on that!:ty

As to the adaptation, I like to think that most of our adaptation has been ascendant as in ascending to a higher plane or a more beneficial or respectable position, yes, even to the point of being set apart by the level of that adaptation. I am opposed to descendant adaption where we settle in at the level of the lowest common denominator of our society. This is true about me in both my professional life and my ministry. I am still accused of being locked into the IBM big blue of yesterday because I feel more comfortable in a coat and tie on a sales call than in an open necked shirt and slacks. As much as I love my dogs (all five of them) I would never feel it was appropriate for them to sleep under my desk in the office or to accompany me on a sales call. That is an adaptation i will not make!:killinme

[Scott Hutchinson]

Sunday mornings it is coat and tie 80% of the time, coat 99.9% of the time. Taking coat off during preaching, 99.9% of the time.

Sunday nights, coat and tie maybe 50%, coat 75%.

Wednesday nights no coat and no tie.

I'm glad you said this cause now I know if ever come preach for you,I can take my coat off.

[Brother Price]

I will dress up with the suit when I do preach in a church. But, 99% of the time, I am preaching on the street corner, so it is a dress shirt and jeans when this is going on.

[ChTatum]

Fat people DO NOT make fun of Fat people! Nuff said on that!:ty

As to the adaptation, I like to think that most of our adaptation has been ascendant as in ascending to a higher plane or a more beneficial or respectable position, yes, even to the point of being set apart by the level of that adaptation. I am opposed to descendant adaption where we settle in at the level of the lowest common denominator of our society. This is true about me in both my professional life and my ministry. I am still accused of being locked into the IBM big blue of yesterday because I feel more comfortable in a coat and tie on a sales call than in an open necked shirt and slacks. As much as I love my dogs (all five of them) I would never feel it was appropriate for them to sleep under my desk in the office or to accompany me on a sales call. That is an adaptation i will not make!:killinme

Sir,I respectfully disagree. I would much rather someone who is also fat make fun of me than some bean pole who has no clue.

As to the other portion, I can accept your position.

[Ronzo]

Well, Austin is the San Francisco of Texas!:drawguns :bliss :bliss

JK JK
It's no joke. It's true.

[philjones]

It's no joke. It's true.

I know but I didn't want anyone to think that I thought that you were an active part of the aforementioned culture!:tease

[Ronzo]

I know but I didn't want anyone to think that I thought that you were an active part of the aforementioned culture!:tease

Last time I checked I wasn't. :drawguns

[philjones]

Last time I checked I wasn't. :drawguns


Just keep your shirt buttoned and your britches on and you will be fine!:bliss :bliss

[Ronzo]

Just keep your shirt buttoned and your britches on and you will be fine!:bliss :bliss
If I ran like your smilies are running, I don't think I'd fair too well.

[Bishop1]

It's no joke. It's true.

Yaulll Sorta Post Like Som kinda

NEU YARK TAXEN !
:killinme

Bishop1
:beatdeadhorse