WWPF Update

[CC1]

Ok, well I actually don't have one but I am hoping some of you do.

What is the current status of the WWPF?

Any updated member numbers?

Any updated numbers regarding defections from the UPC to the "preferred" Apostolic future?

[AmazingGrace]

Was a
Wannabe
Pentecostal
Federation?

Havent heard nuttin of em in a while... maybe they are already fizzling??

[bishoph]

Was a
Wannabe
Pentecostal
Federation?

Havent heard nuttin of em in a while... maybe they are already fizzling??

With over 600 ministers (about half of the usual 12-1500 ministers in attendance at a UPCI GC) at their first GC (April 1-3) I doubt very seriously it is starting to fizzle.

[Jekyll]

What, it can't be thriving if AFF isn't slandering er...libelling it?

[Lacey]

With over 600 ministers (about half of the usual 12-1500 ministers in attendance at a UPCI GC) at their first GC (April 1-3) I doubt very seriously it is starting to fizzle.

I doubt that too! :)

[revrandy]

You have to admit whether or not folks join a trip to Branson is hard to turn down for anybody... to be able to call it a conference and get away for another week is pretty tempting...

[CC1]

With over 600 ministers (about half of the usual 12-1500 ministers in attendance at a UPCI GC) at their first GC (April 1-3) I doubt very seriously it is starting to fizzle.

Bishoph,

Of those 600 members in Branson do you know how many are actually WWPF members?

[tstew]

You have to admit whether or not folks join a trip to Branson is hard to turn down for anybody... to be able to call it a conference and get away for another week is pretty tempting...

Kind of like when you're "shopping" for timeshares?

[Thinking]

Recently I heard the wpf have a total membership of 250-300. That was second hand information, but I believe it to be reliable.

From an impeccable source, I heard very recently the UPCI lost 63 ministers. But with the number of new ministers that have been added, this official told me, the UPCI now has more ministers and more constituents than at any other time in its history.

Trust God continues to bless us all.

[Sam]

Recently I heard the wpf have a total membership of 250-300. That was second hand information, but I believe it to be reliable.

From an impeccable source, I heard very recently the UPCI lost 63 ministers. But with the number of new ministers that have been added, this official told me, the UPCI now has more ministers and more constituents than at any other time in its history.

Trust God continues to bless us all.

Isn't that the same spin used after some left because of the Affirmation Statement? We're bigger now than before?

[CC1]

Recently I heard the wpf have a total membership of 250-300. That was second hand information, but I believe it to be reliable.

From an impeccable source, I heard very recently the UPCI lost 63 ministers. But with the number of new ministers that have been added, this official told me, the UPCI now has more ministers and more constituents than at any other time in its history.

Trust God continues to bless us all.

If these figures are accurate it would seem that the WWPF has drawn more members from the GIB or other org.'s than the UPC. That is very interesting.

I fully expected them to pull in about 300 UPC preachers based on preliminary reports of the Tulsa Convocation.

[bishoph]

Bishoph,

Of those 600 members in Branson do you know how many are actually WWPF members?

I cannot definitively say, as I was not at the meeting myself, however I have been told by some of the WPF officials that ministers/Pastors are joining on an ongoing basis.

Recently I heard the wpf have a total membership of 250-300. That was second hand information, but I believe it to be reliable.

From an impeccable source, I heard very recently the UPCI lost 63 ministers. But with the number of new ministers that have been added, this official told me, the UPCI now has more ministers and more constituents than at any other time in its history.

Trust God continues to bless us all.

This figure of 63 is not entirely accurate. (I am not questioning the veracity of the person you are quoting, I am simply making a statement concerning how information is received, perceived, and distributed.) The UPCI has unofficially - officially stated different numbers and this is the latest (I might add the highest) number to be released. When the officials make these statements they are referring to those who have turned in their cards or allowed their dues to lapse, who have notified the UPCI that they are doing so as a direct result of the vote in Tampa. What they are not saying is how many have dropped for non-payment with no explanation. (They can legitimately say they have no proof it was because of Tampa or some other reason.)

I can assure you, I personally know more than 63 people who have dropped from the roles, some of which have not joined the WPF at this time. (And may never)

[deltaguitar]

I cannot definitively say, as I was not at the meeting myself, however I have been told by some of the WPF officials that ministers/Pastors are joining on an ongoing basis.



This figure of 63 is not entirely accurate. (I am not questioning the veracity of the person you are quoting, I am simply making a statement concerning how information is received, perceived, and distributed.) The UPCI has unofficially - officially stated different numbers and this is the latest (I might add the highest) number to be released. When the officials make these statements they are referring to those who have turned in their cards or allowed their dues to lapse, who have notified the UPCI that they are doing so as a direct result of the vote in Tampa. What they are not saying is how many have dropped for non-payment with no explanation. (They can legitimately say they have no proof it was because of Tampa or some other reason.)

I can assure you, I personally know more than 63 people who have dropped from the roles, some of which have not joined the WPF at this time. (And may never)

Well, including my pastor I know of three men that have turned in their cards in the last 9 months. Of course they thought the UPC was too strict. :bliss

[Thinking]

Bishop

I don't know of anyone who disagrees that more than 63 persons have dropped from the UPC. I believe, as you implied in your previous paragraph, the 63 are people who are known to have withdrawn because of the Tampa vote. It does seem that more independent preachers or those from organizations other than the UPCI make up the wpf.

I'm interested in your opinion concerning the statement that the UPCI now has more ministers and constituents than ever before. Some call this "spin."

[Blaylock]

From the main man this weekend Bishop Haney told us that 79 Pastors have left directly because of res#4 with a total of 49 churches.

[pelathais]

I cannot definitively say, as I was not at the meeting myself, however I have been told by some of the WPF officials that ministers/Pastors are joining on an ongoing basis.



This figure of 63 is not entirely accurate. (I am not questioning the veracity of the person you are quoting, I am simply making a statement concerning how information is received, perceived, and distributed.) The UPCI has unofficially - officially stated different numbers and this is the latest (I might add the highest) number to be released. When the officials make these statements they are referring to those who have turned in their cards or allowed their dues to lapse, who have notified the UPCI that they are doing so as a direct result of the vote in Tampa. What they are not saying is how many have dropped for non-payment with no explanation. (They can legitimately say they have no proof it was because of Tampa or some other reason.)

I can assure you, I personally know more than 63 people who have dropped from the roles, some of which have not joined the WPF at this time. (And may never)
A WPF cheerleader who used to post here told us that the leaders of the WPF had to get others to preach their services the Sunday following the WPF meet because they hundreds of applications to process right then.

Then when you look at the sermon times and dates on the leader's web site you see that he preached his own Sunday morning service that week. Exaggerated and hype was all that was really behind this thing. They exaggerated about the "backsliding" of the UPC and spread some of the most mean spirited hype against their own brothers; then they hyped and exaggerated their own success at recruitment. Then they sent someone off to recruit among UPC and other Apostolic churches in the Phillippines so that they could have a "foreign missions department" to brag on.

[AmazingGrace]

Brother,

There were so many lies told in the name of numbers when this thing first started that it is unreal. Time is and indeed will tell the story.

[Blubayou]

From the main man this weekend Bishop Haney told us that 79 Pastors have left directly because of res#4 with a total of 49 churches.

Thank you Br. for this information. I had a friend that attended a funeral in eastern Mississippi a couple of weeks ago- some official stated that their area had been hit pretty hard by the movement. He gave a number, but I cannot remember it now. (senior moment I guess!)

[Sam]

Brother,

There were so many lies told in the name of numbers when this thing first started that it is unreal. Time is and indeed will tell the story.

not to condone the WWPF's looseness with numbers,
but,
they aren't the only ones to play that game.

Sunday School attendance numbers and revival statistics have been exaggerated (lie about) for years. We call that "evangelistically speaking."

[AmazingGrace]

not to condone the WWPF's looseness with numbers,
but,
they aren't the only ones to play that game.

Sunday School attendance numbers and revival statistics have been exaggerated (lie about) for years. We call that "evangelistically speaking."

Oh I know... WPF's was just very very loud and obvious, Not saying either are right.. its just that when you make that much noise... then have nothing to show for it its sad

[Thinking]

I think it's shameful that we are "loose" with numbers, and that we tease about calling our reports "evangelistically speaking."

We are what we are. The Church is what it is. It doesn't need propped up, exaggerated or inflated. A good dose of integrity would go far toward healing some of our ills.

[SavedLou]

Well, including my pastor I know of three men that have turned in their cards in the last 9 months. Of course they thought the UPC was too strict. :bliss

delta, what happens after that? does your church join a new organ. or become independent? and when u say too strict does that mean your church will keep some standards or none at all? not criticizing, just curious.

[AmazingGrace]

delta, what happens after that? does your church join a new organ. or become independent? and when u say too strict does that mean your church will keep some standards or none at all? not criticizing, just curious.


Ummm I guess I can answer this since he keeps it no secret...they left the organization and they have now found "freedom" without standards and the oppression the upc is under (these are their views not necessarily the views of this poster LOL) thats pretty much what they will tell ya. Sorry Delta if I answered for ya.. just know your not around these parts that much

[Threads]

I noticed this on the WWPF. Offerning benefits to it's members? Is this for Ministers only or for saints to?
I wonder how much of a cut the new organization is getting from this.


Click on the following links for insurance information.



WPF Insurance Benefit Overview!



WPF Voluntary Life Buy-Up!

ENROLLING NOW!!!



WPF Dental!

ENROLLING NOW!!!






WPF Group Life Insurance Program

On March 1, 2008, Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship was approved by Mutual of Omaha for group life insurance. Our group life insurance program provides $20,000 Life insurance for each member and $10,000 for each spouse listed at no cost to the member. The plan also includes an additional Accidental Death benefit. Age reduction schedules apply, at age 65 reducing to a 65% benefit and age 70 to a 50% benefit.



(Now Enrolling)


WPF Group Voluntary Life Insurance

Voluntary Group Life Benefits for Member Ministers and Families.



Effective immediately, members may also purchase additional Guaranteed Issue Voluntary Life insurance in increments of $25,000 up to a maximum of $100,000 without proof of insurability. Member spouse is eligible for up to 50% of members benefit and $10,000 for each child. The plan also includes an additional Accidental Death benefit. Age reduction schedules apply.



*Plan effective date will be June 1, 2008



To Participate: Members must send completed application with one month of premium (June Premium) to WPF. Subsequent payments are to be sent to WPF designated for life insurance premium and members name in bottom left hand corner of check no later than the 20th of each month.



*See Group Voluntary Life Insurance section for rates and details.



(Now Enrolling)


Group Dental Insurance Program



Effective immediately, WPF is proud to offer Delta Dental insurance to members and their families at group discounted rates.



*Plan effective date will be June 1, 2008



To Participate: Members must send completed application with voided check to WPF. Subsequent payments will be drafted on a monthly basis by Delta Dental beginning May 18th which will be applied as June premium. Subsequent premiums will be drafted from your checking beginning in June.






*See WPF Group Dental Insurance section for rates, details and examples of savings.



For questions:

Bro. Benjamin Davis

Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship

918-622-4200 X102

bendavis@wpfmail.net

[CC1]

Threads, I seriously doubt they are getting anything from offering those services other than a headache from spending a lot of hours evaluating group programs for the best one to offer members.

The only way someone is benefittiing is if the insurance agent selling the policy is a relative of some WWPF organizer.

Employers & organizations offering group policies typically do not receive any commission for doing so. It is a benefit for their employees or members.

Your post is pretty cynical.

I think the significance of the insurance offerings is that it clearly demonstrates this is more than just a casual ministerial association.

Now along with departments mirroring those of the UPC they are offering these type benefits.

[Threads]

Just strange to see benefits being offered on a Church Organization Website.
No fun intended.:TulsaTime:

[MrsMcD]

I think it is great that benefits are being offered. Some ministers may not be able to get benefits anywhere else.

[Blaylock]

not to condone the WWPF's looseness with numbers,
but,
they aren't the only ones to play that game.

Sunday School attendance numbers and revival statistics have been exaggerated (lie about) for years. We call that "evangelistically speaking."

Sam where is your proof in that? Did you tally the numbers?

Or could it be you are the one evangelistically speaking?

:reaction