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scotty
05-09-2008, 10:53 AM
Romans 1:28
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

rep·ro·bate
2. a person rejected by God and beyond hope of salvation.


Is one who may be considered reprobate doomed ?

Is this beyond the scripture of the prodigal son ?

Should one who feels they may have become reprobate give up ?

Not bother to try to return to God ?

scotty
05-09-2008, 12:09 PM
:hmmm no takers ?

DividedThigh
05-09-2008, 12:53 PM
scotty i have always been taught that reprobate is a state of the heart and mind in rejection to god and his grace, i am sure there are differing opinions on this, i believe that is true, and that anyone who is in that state of rejection can reverse it by turning back to god, my humble opinion, dt:blah

scotty
05-09-2008, 01:18 PM
I am still looking , but I have seen verses in Proverbs speak on the same

Jack Shephard
05-09-2008, 01:33 PM
No one is beyond salvation. One can choose to walk away from God and turn to a reprobate mindset. But then they can turn again to God and away from the mind set. No Sin is irreversable, if you are serious and sincere enough God will change the tide!

Jack Shephard
05-09-2008, 01:35 PM
By the way here is a verse that make me think the way I do in the last post...
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness

scotty
05-09-2008, 04:16 PM
Good verse and respnse

Jack Shephard
05-09-2008, 04:22 PM
Good verse and respnse

Thanks. I think that it is just alittle ignorant to say that anyone is beyond receiving God's Grace and Mercy. If Jesus died for everyones sins where does someone that has become of a reprobate mind stop being an 'everybody'? You know what I mean?

scotty
05-09-2008, 05:11 PM
I have heard it preached that you can come to God so many times then turn away from Him that finally God will just simply not mess with you any more....

There is alot of scripture that speaks of God closing the heavens to ones prayer.

Jack Shephard
05-09-2008, 05:36 PM
I have heard it preached that you can come to God so many times then turn away from Him that finally God will just simply not mess with you any more....

There is alot of scripture that speaks of God closing the heavens to ones prayer.

You are right, but I think that might be due to that mental state of the person praying. Such as, if a person sins with the forthought that they could repent afterwards then God might not forgive them. If God shuts up the heavens you have to believe it is a serious thang! But if Grace is new every morning and God is longsuffering He might not answer the call, but promise you He hears it. Remember, 'if my people who are called by My name..' He has a soft spot in His heart. There are certain things that are hard to answer because Gods ways are higher. I think it might best be served to say that God is the judge and that He is gracious so no one is completly out of hope

Pressing-On
05-09-2008, 05:45 PM
I have heard it preached that you can come to God so many times then turn away from Him that finally God will just simply not mess with you any more....

There is alot of scripture that speaks of God closing the heavens to ones prayer.

Hebrews 12:16 "Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. (17) For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears."

What about Esau when the Word says he sought repentance carefully ( to search out, that is, (figuratively) investigate, crave, demand,)?

That's a pretty intense search to make things right and not getting it set to rights.

What do you think about that portion of scripture?

And Judas "repented/regretted" what he had done. How did he not see forgiveness after Jesus kissed him, upon betrayal, even calling him "friend"?

Jack Shephard
05-09-2008, 06:00 PM
Hebrews 12:16 "Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. (17) For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears."

What about Esau when the Word says he sought repentance carefully ( to search out, that is, (figuratively) investigate, crave, demand,)?

That's a pretty intense search to make things right and not getting it set to rights.

What do you think about that portion of scripture?

And Judas "repented/regretted" what he had done. How did he not see forgiveness after Jesus kissed him, upon betrayal, even calling him "friend"?

I do not remember this. I though that he had occasion to repent but did not. He did try to give the money back, but that was repentance...I do not think.

Bro-Larry
05-09-2008, 06:27 PM
Romans 1:28
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

rep·ro·bate
2. a person rejected by God and beyond hope of salvation.


Is one who may be considered reprobate doomed ?

Is this beyond the scripture of the prodigal son ?

Should one who feels they may have become reprobate give up ?

Not bother to try to return to God ?



Yes! Scotty, A truly "reprobate" person is irreversable. Only a few people have ever actually reached that stage, although many have been accused of it, by ignorant people. A reprobate person has rejected God to the point that he doesn't want anything to do with God anymore. He must first qualify as a mature christian according to Heb 6:4-5. Then he must verbally renounce his christian life. However, if a person has a desire to reconcile with God, then he was not reprobate in the first place. That's how you can know if they are reprobate or not. Do they have a desire to be reconciled to God?

One "pastor" told me that a certain person was reprobate because he didn't respond to an altar call at that pastor's church. Today that person is moving on with God at another church. So you decide for yourself whose right and whose not.

Cindy
05-09-2008, 08:48 PM
Yes! Scotty, A truly "reprobate" person is irreversable. Only a few people have ever actually reached that stage, although many have been accused of it, by ignorant people. A reprobate person has rejected God to the point that he doesn't want anything to do with God anymore. He must first qualify as a mature christian according to Heb 6:4-5. Then he must verbally renounce his christian life. However, if a person has a desire to reconcile with God, then he was not reprobate in the first place. That's how you can know if they are reprobate or not. Do they have a desire to be reconciled to God?

One "pastor" told me that a certain person was reprobate because he didn't respond to an altar call at that pastor's church. Today that person is moving on with God at another church. So you decide for yourself whose right and whose not.

Hope for the hopeless......Amen!

Joelel
05-10-2008, 01:07 AM
Hebrews 12:16 "Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. (17) For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears."

What about Esau when the Word says he sought repentance carefully ( to search out, that is, (figuratively) investigate, crave, demand,)?

That's a pretty intense search to make things right and not getting it set to rights.

What do you think about that portion of scripture?

And Judas "repented/regretted" what he had done. How did he not see forgiveness after Jesus kissed him, upon betrayal, even calling him "friend"?

Amen,that's real clear.

Joelel
05-10-2008, 01:09 AM
Yes! Scotty, A truly "reprobate" person is irreversable. Only a few people have ever actually reached that stage, although many have been accused of it, by ignorant people. A reprobate person has rejected God to the point that he doesn't want anything to do with God anymore. He must first qualify as a mature christian according to Heb 6:4-5. Then he must verbally renounce his christian life. However, if a person has a desire to reconcile with God, then he was not reprobate in the first place. That's how you can know if they are reprobate or not. Do they have a desire to be reconciled to God?

One "pastor" told me that a certain person was reprobate because he didn't respond to an altar call at that pastor's church. Today that person is moving on with God at another church. So you decide for yourself whose right and whose not.

Amen