Where do you divide fellowship?

[Dr. Vaughn]

To enjoy church fellowship with other ministers or churches.... where is the dividing line?

Where do you say "let's not associate with them"

Would you answer each one:

My Answers

Tribulation & Endtime events - No
Trinitarianism - Yes
Water Baptism - Yes
Standards - hard to answer,,, depends on how extreme
Their understanding of Genesis? - No
Eternal Security - No
Their belief on Hell - No
Their belief that Jesus is the only way to be saved - Yes
Their understanding of Heaven? - No
Predestination - No
Women Preachers - No
Initial Evidence - No
Worship Styles - No

[scotty]

Define "associate"

[RandyWayne]

I can come up with a MUCH longer list then that, and probably assign a point system to each item where an ACCUMULATED point or "difference" score would dictate whether or not I would associate with them.

Or, I would do as the Bible says and love my neighbor as myself and try my hardest to treat ALL of those of different denominations as family.

[Baron1710]

To enjoy church fellowship with other ministers or churches.... where is the dividing line?

Where do you say "let's not associate with them"

Would you answer each one:

My Answers

Tribulation & Endtime events - No
Trinitarianism - Yes
Water Baptism - Yes
Standards - hard to answer,,, depends on how extreme
Their understanding of Genesis? - No
Eternal Security - No
Their belief on Hell - No
Their belief that Jesus is the only way to be saved - Yes
Their understanding of Heaven? - No
Predestination - No
Women Preachers - No
Initial Evidence - No
Worship Styles - No

Guess I lose since I had that Mormon couple over to Bar B Q with us yesterday.

[Timmy]

Tribulation & Endtime events - No
Trinitarianism - No
Water Baptism - No
Standards - No
Their understanding of Genesis? - No
Eternal Security - No
Their belief on Hell - No
Their belief that Jesus is the only way to be saved - No
Their understanding of Heaven? - No
Predestination - No
Women Preachers - No
Initial Evidence - No
Worship Styles - No

(Is anyone surprised? ;))

[JTULLOCK]

To enjoy church fellowship with other ministers or churches.... where is the dividing line?

Where do you say "let's not associate with them"

Would you answer each one:

My Answers

Tribulation & Endtime events - No
Trinitarianism - Yes
Water Baptism - Yes
Standards - hard to answer,,, depends on how extreme
Their understanding of Genesis? - No
Eternal Security - No
Their belief on Hell - No
Their belief that Jesus is the only way to be saved - Yes
Their understanding of Heaven? - No
Predestination - No
Women Preachers - No
Initial Evidence - No
Worship Styles - No

This is easy for me to answer. Yes means I will fellowship and No means I will not. This makes it easier to understand.

Tribulation & Endtime events - Yes
Trinitarianism - Yes
Water Baptism - Yes
Standards - Yes, but they might not hang with me.
Their understanding of Genesis? - Yes
Eternal Security - Yes, but not 'unconditional grace' the law said if are married and you touch another women it is adultry, grace says you think about another women it is adultry- there is no such thing as unconditional security
Their belief on Hell - Yes
Their belief that Jesus is the only way to be saved - Yes
Their understanding of Heaven? - Yes, no one really understand all about heaven
Predestination - No-the ones that believe in predestination are hard-headed.
Women Preachers - Yes
Initial Evidence - Yes
Worship Styles - Yes

Most if not all of these are not dividing line, IMO. Unless I miss understood the intent of any of these.

[JTULLOCK]

Tribulation & Endtime events - No
Trinitarianism - No
Water Baptism - No
Standards - No
Their understanding of Genesis? - No
Eternal Security - No
Their belief on Hell - No
Their belief that Jesus is the only way to be saved - No
Their understanding of Heaven? - No
Predestination - No
Women Preachers - No
Initial Evidence - No
Worship Styles - No

(Is anyone surprised? ;))

No..lol

[Dr. Vaughn]

I would like to point something out here... if I might

everyone of you said in the above poll that you would not divide fellowship over someones understanding of Genesis.......

Well... I understand Genesis in a different way than many of you... I see the doctrine of Original Sin or Serpent Seed in Genesis......

See the point? We actually do take issue against things that really do not matter.. but I assure you if I walked into your congregation next Sunday..... the fact that I believe in Serpent Seed.. would definitly have some strong whispers going.. and the point is... by your own confessions.. it should not.. because it doesn't matter,, has nothing to do with salvation.. yet this board acts like it is a curse word

[TRFrance]

Okey dokey.

I guess this 'serpent seed' thing is the topic of the week.

[Cindy]

This is fun.

[Dr. Vaughn]

TRFrance, the point remains.. does it not?

[OneAccord]

Personally, I don't draw the line of fellowship on anyone who worships God. I may not agree with them doctrinally, may not agree with how they worship. But I don't draw a line in the sand because of their doctrinal views or their mode of worship. In my posts on the Serpents Seed doctrine, I always referred to Bro. Branham (and to you as well), because, in my view, that what he was, and thats what you are- a brother in Christ. I worship and pray with a Baptist brother on a regular basis. My fellowship, my worship is not directed to him, it is directed to God. If I had a congregation, and if you were to visit...you'd be welcomed as a brother in the Lord. My sig line says it all, Brother.

[Dr. Vaughn]

Love your Spirit,,, "One Accord"

[TRFrance]

TRFrance, the point remains.. does it not?

maybe I'm a little slow today, but I'm not sure I'm grasping your point.

Are you saying that another person's understanding of Genesis is not a dividing line for you as far as fellowship... but for the Pentecostals here it is?

[Elizabeth]

Okey dokey.

I guess this 'serpent seed' thing is the topic of the week.

I agree, I am seeing a pattern here myself.

[Dr. Vaughn]

TRFrance.. I am trying to show the hypocrisy of people........ I asked in the beginning how many consider ones understanding of Genesis a point of "dividing fellowship" everyone said it was not something to divide fellowship over...

then I simply pointed out.. that Original Sin or Serpent Seed is ones understanding of Geneisis, totally non essential to salvation.. and yet proving that by everyones admission it should not divide fellowship... and yet I am trying to show that indeed IT DOES

sadly so.. by the very people who when answering the question,.,. never dreamed they would divide fellowship over a non essential

[scotty]

So by dredging this up your helping the "divide" how exactly ?

[Elizabeth]

TRFrance.. I am trying to show the hypocrisy of people........ I asked in the beginning how many consider ones understanding of Genesis a point of "dividing fellowship" everyone said it was not something to divide fellowship over...

then I simply pointed out.. that Original Sin or Serpent Seed is ones understanding of Geneisis, totally non essential to salvation.. and yet proving that by everyones admission it should not divide fellowship... and yet I am trying to show that indeed IT DOES

sadly so.. by the very people who when answering the question,.,. never dreamed they would divide fellowship over a non essential

You know what, if I know something I believe offends someone then I dont keep bringing it up.

[OneAccord]

I don't base fellowship on WHAT a person believes. Its based more on WHO they believe in. Im my simplilistic, atypical, Apostolic way of thinking... the WHO is of much greater importance than the WHAT.

[Dr. Vaughn]

and how do you judge WHO they believe in? Who else is their to believe in but the Lord Jesus Christ?

[TRFrance]

TRFrance.. I am trying to show the hypocrisy of people........ I asked in the beginning how many consider ones understanding of Genesis a point of "dividing fellowship" everyone said it was not something to divide fellowship over...

then I simply pointed out.. that Original Sin or Serpent Seed is ones understanding of Geneisis, totally non essential to salvation.. and yet proving that by everyones admission it should not divide fellowship... and yet I am trying to show that indeed IT DOES

sadly so.. by the very people who when answering the question,.,. never dreamed they would divide fellowship over a non essential
Well, I guess to many if not most believers, the serpent seed doctrine seems to imply that some people walking around are the Devil's seed... and most of us find such an idea to be not just biblically unfounded, but also just downright repugnant.

Keep in mind that various church groups have used different variations of the "serpent seed doctrine" to teach white supremacy... that the black man is cursed... and a variety of other racist doctrines. As a matter of fact, some church groups still do to this very day!

[Dr. Vaughn]

So, is it fair to paint with a broad brush or in the Spirit of Christ... ask your brother to define his position and if he hold no such position,, repent for presuming and judging before the time?

[TRFrance]

I'm not accusing you of anything here.

I'm simply pointing out that over the years and centuries, the serpent seed doctrine has been a "gateway doctrine" which often has given way to other errors and heresies.

[Dr. Vaughn]

If "Serpent Seed" causes one to deny

The God of heaven,,, Jesus Christ is the only way to be saved...... then call it Heresy.. otherwise its not Heresy... its disagreement

[TRFrance]

If "Serpent Seed" causes one to deny

The God of heaven,,, Jesus Christ is the only way to be saved...... then call it Heresy.. otherwise its not Heresy... its disagreement

Well, we both know, doc... that heresy is in the eye of the beholder.

[Dr. Vaughn]

TRFran, finally we agree!

Of course you understand the mainsteam Christian world would call you a heretic for not embracing the Apostles Creed....... it really doesn't feel good to be called a heretic simply because people refuse to at least see your reasoning

[TRFrance]

TRFran, finally we agree!

Of course you understand the mainsteam Christian world would call you a heretic for not embracing the Apostles Creed....... it really doesn't feel good to be called a heretic simply because people refuse to at least see your reasoning
Indeed we can both agree on that point.

but as to your other point...."feeling good" is a non-issue. Jesus was called all manner of names wasn't he? so who are we to think we wont be called "heretic", or worse?

If nobody ever called me a name for what I believed, I'd have to seriously wonder if I was truly in Christ.

[Dr. Vaughn]

perhaps now you understand my mindset..... you good folks here have called me everything but brother.. all over things that most have no idea what their talking about,, the only know "hearsay" and rumors..... and will speak on those things

[TRFrance]

Well, make no mistake Vaughn...

As much as I've made it a point to be respectful toward you personally, I still consider your doctrine to be aberrant and unscriptural. I'm just not prepared to say it is ultimately a salvational issue.

I''ll let God sort that out in His own way in His own time.

[Dr. Vaughn]

TRFranc... do you feel that is someone is POST TRIB they are a heretic?

Why not? Because it's non essential.... so why the strong feels about Serpent Seed another non essential understanding?

It's a fair question

[bkstokes]

TRFranc... do you feel that is someone is POST TRIB they are a heretic?

Why not? Because it's non essential.... so why the strong feels about Serpent Seed another non essential understanding?

It's a fair question

Why do you care what he thinks of you and your belief?

[Dr. Vaughn]

because unlike others here... I love the entire body of Christ... I try to reason together with my brethren.....

THe Disciples wanted Jesus to shut down a man who was preaching, not quite like they were and Jesus told them...."if he's not against us he's for us"

I feel the same.. and I try my best to show Christian love and character in my discussion.. unlike some,, its never personal for me...... I simply try to defend my understanding of the scriptures...

perhaps one day you and I will admit in the face of eternity... we didn't know nearly as much as we thought we did

[bkstokes]

because unlike others here... I love the entire body of Christ... I try to reason together with my brethren.....

THe Disciples wanted Jesus to shut down a man who was preaching, not quite like they were and Jesus told them...."if he's not against us he's for us"

I feel the same.. and I try my best to show Christian love and character in my discussion.. unlike some,, its never personal for me...... I simply try to defend my understanding of the scriptures...

perhaps one day you and I will admit in the face of eternity... we didn't know nearly as much as we thought we did

You have said that you don't get personal. This seems personal. My point to you is I think very few people from this forum will follow Branham. You know how TR or me are going to react.

The only way I would believe all this Branham doctrine is if an Angel of the Lord or the Lord Himself told it to me. I would have to have a road to the Damascus moment like Paul. But since I have already got the Gospel of Jesus Christ, I don't think the other will happen.

[ManOfWord]

I divide fellowship if someone distorts sin as acceptable or holds a doctrine different than what I teach AND tries to "convert" people to their point of view. I am very tolerant except to the intolerant. :D

[Dr. Vaughn]

ManofWord.. so your doctrines are all 100% correct... and thats how you judge others by your understanding of scripture? pretty close minded is it not?

[Cindy]

I divide fellowship if someone distorts sin as acceptable or holds a doctrine different than what I teach AND tries to "convert" people to their point of view. I am very tolerant except to the intolerant. :D

Oh you just had to say it didn't you?

arrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhh :reaction :reaction

[Pressing-On]

ManofWord.. so your doctrines are all 100% correct... and thats how you judge others by your understanding of scripture? pretty close minded is it not?

Can I refer you to the stepper thread? It would answer your question. :D

MOW! I couldn't stop myself - honest!!! :killinme

[ManOfWord]

ManofWord.. so your doctrines are all 100% correct... and thats how you judge others by your understanding of scripture? pretty close minded is it not?

Absolutely not! I have never stated what you assume. I said what I said for the sake of unity and working together. Would you want me trying to divide your fellowship by trying to teach everyone there that they are wrong and that I am right?

Dividing fellowship, from my point of view, doesn't mean castigating, rebuking or ridiculing. No one can really "fellowship" someone who is quite different from them. :D

[Cindy]

Can I refer you to the stepper thread? It would answer your question. :D

MOW! I couldn't stop myself - honest!!! :killinme

:toofunny :toofunny :toofunny

I knew this would happen if MOW got in these threads.

Lord help us. Now where is Michael?

:happydance :happydance

[Pressing-On]

:toofunny :toofunny :toofunny

I knew this would happen if MOW got in these threads.

Lord help us. Now where is Michael?

:happydance :happydance
Good Lord, don't call Michael of all people!!!! :reaction

[ManOfWord]

William Marrion Branham believed, preached and taught that he was the 7th angel to the 7th church age. Sorry, I don't buy that. That's a pretty arrogant statement, if you ask me and there certainly aren't very many people who do believe that. :D

[Pressing-On]

William Marion Branham believed, preached and taught that he was the 7th angel to the 7th church age. Sorry, I don't buy that. That's a pretty arrogant statement, if you ask me and there certainly aren't very many people who do believe that. :D

He must not have known how to sing - Turn your Eyes upon Jesus!

[Dr. Vaughn]

ManofWord.. over 2 million believe it.. but that is besides the point

I am making a public challenge to you in the sake of TRUTH.. show me ONE TIME or PLACE where he ever taught such a thing......... and then I will show you where he absolutely did not....

[bkstokes]

ManofWord.. over 2 million believe it.. but that is besides the point

I am making a public challenge to you in the sake of TRUTH.. show me ONE TIME or PLACE where he ever taught such a thing......... and then I will show you where he absolutely did not....

V

you need to go back to the pic you used last night.

[ManOfWord]

ManofWord.. over 2 million believe it.. but that is besides the point

I am making a public challenge to you in the sake of TRUTH.. show me ONE TIME or PLACE where he ever taught such a thing......... and then I will show you where he absolutely did not....

Are you telling me that he did NOT believe that? I have read a number of his sermons and can tell you that he DID believe that and it was very obvious in his teachings. If someone who is NOT a follower can get that from his preaching, I can imagine what his followers believe. :D

[Dr. Vaughn]

BKSTOKES.. your very opinionated.. thanks

[Dr. Vaughn]

ManoftheWord - thats not proof.. thats not evidence..... I am prepared to post the hundreds of times he said " I am nothing more than your brother" and NOT ONE TIME did he every say anything more.. I am prepared to post his direct quotes where he SAID HE WAS NOT ELIJAH or the ANGEL.....

I am waiting for your proof otherwise

[ManOfWord]

Are you telling me that he did NOT believe that? I have read a number of his sermons and can tell you that he DID believe that and it was very obvious in his teachings. If someone who is NOT a follower can get that from his preaching, I can imagine what his followers believe. :D

Are you denying the above?

[Dr. Vaughn]

Ive denied it 2 times... is that not enough... must I do it thrice?

[ManOfWord]

Ive denied it 2 times... is that not enough... must I do it thrice?

So, you're telling me that Branham did NOT believe that he was the "messenger" to the 7th church age?

[Dr. Vaughn]

Thats EXACTLY what I'm telling you... I have countless quotes where he said THIS MESSENGER WILL COME.. future tense

[ManOfWord]

So his followers mistakenly label him such? Or did he simply say that he was the "voice" of the 7th angel?

[Dr. Vaughn]

He never said either.......

For example.... we believe my grandfather, An Apostolic pastor is an Apostle... he planted so many church and was a father to Pastors..... from his work we recognize his positon in the kingdom... now my grandfather never saw himself as an apostle... BUT WE DO... from recognizing his lining up with the scriptural proof of an Apostle....

Same with Bro. Branham.. he always told us he was just our brother

[ManOfWord]

He never said either.......

For example.... we believe my grandfather, An Apostolic pastor is an Apostle... he planted so many church and was a father to Pastors..... from his work we recognize his positon in the kingdom... now my grandfather never saw himself as an apostle... BUT WE DO... from recognizing his lining up with the scriptural proof of an Apostle....

Same with Bro. Branham.. he always told us he was just our brother

So you DO believe that he was......?


I believe that I am AN apostle to my city. I do not believe that I am THE apostle to my city. Apostle simple means "sent" one.

[Dr. Vaughn]

Many people would say you were prideful to think you are an Apostle.... although I think its perfectly in line with scripture........

I absolutely believe Bro. Branham was vindicated by God with undeniable gifts and miracles to be a MAN SENT FROM GOD

[ManOfWord]

Many people would say you were prideful to think you are an Apostle.... although I think its perfectly in line with scripture........

I absolutely believe Bro. Branham was vindicated by God with undeniable gifts and miracles to be a MAN SENT FROM GOD

Well, shoot, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that Branham had gifts and God used him for miracles. I even believe that he was sent just like any other minister. But he was just a man like you and me. He was no great than either of us. He was just a man. His sermons are no better than mine or anyone else's for that matter. God definitely used him just like you and me.....big deal.

[steve p]

".....sitting back.......eating popcorn.....drinking diet pepsi......."

[Dr. Vaughn]

Now ManofWord.... if you were honest and I believe you are.... our giftings and ministries pale in comparison to how God used Bro. Branham..... am I wrong for saying that?

Thousands stood before him as the Angel of the Lord would reveal the very secrets of their heart to prove Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever...

Congresmen. crippled from birth rising to their feet healed for the rest of their lives.......

While I am sure you have a wonderful ministry is it not prideful of us not to recognize the very special and unique touch of God on Bro. Branhams life?

[Steve Epley]

Would y'all believe my fellowship is a little more narrow?:happydance

[Praxeas]

I would like to point something out here... if I might

everyone of you said in the above poll that you would not divide fellowship over someones understanding of Genesis.......

Well... I understand Genesis in a different way than many of you... I see the doctrine of Original Sin or Serpent Seed in Genesis......

See the point? We actually do take issue against things that really do not matter.. but I assure you if I walked into your congregation next Sunday..... the fact that I believe in Serpent Seed.. would definitly have some strong whispers going.. and the point is... by your own confessions.. it should not.. because it doesn't matter,, has nothing to do with salvation.. yet this board acts like it is a curse word
This board acts like it is false doctrine....and it is. If that bothers you then you certainly are on the wrong board :-)

If you want to remain here, get used to it. We discuss a lot of doctrines that pertain to Oneness, Trinitarian, Branham followers etc etc etc... :happydance

[Praxeas]

TRFrance.. I am trying to show the hypocrisy of people........
Oh well this IS fun. He came here to show you guys that you are hypocrites....not too long ago he cried that he is not being personal with anyone and was wondering why people were making personal remarks to him. What a way to introduce yourself to the Board lol..Hi Im Dr Vaughn and you are all a bunch of hypocrites lol

[Cindy]

".....sitting back.......eating popcorn.....drinking diet pepsi......."

Good to see you back brother steve. Interesting isn't it?

[Praxeas]

So, is it fair to paint with a broad brush or in the Spirit of Christ... ask your brother to define his position and if he hold no such position,, repent for presuming and judging before the time?
Who was judging? Who here was saying they won't fellowship you because of that doctrine? Just because they find it a false doctrine and attempt to refute your attempts to assert it does not mean anything,.

[Cindy]

Oh well this IS fun. He came here to show you guys that you are hypocrites....not too long ago he cried that he is not being personal with anyone and was wondering why people were making personal remarks to him. What a way to introduce yourself to the Board lol..Hi Im Dr Vaughn and you are all a bunch of hypocrites lol

And yet people keep responding Prax. It's kind of like passing a car wreck, you just can't keep yourself from looking.

[Steve Epley]

I would NOT fellowship meaning preach for or preach with and if I had a church have one preach for me that believes:
The Serpent Seed message'
Spiritual Communion
Full Preterism
Doctrine of Inclusion
Faith Only
Divine Flesh
Adam Doctrine
These doctrines are outside the body of doctrine taught by the Apostolic Church.

[Praxeas]

If "Serpent Seed" causes one to deny

The God of heaven,,, Jesus Christ is the only way to be saved...... then call it Heresy.. otherwise its not Heresy... its disagreement
is it heresy?
opinion or doctrine at variance with the orthodox or accepted doctrine, esp. of a church or religious system. 2.the maintaining of such an opinion or doctrine. 3.Roman Catholic Church. the willful and persistent rejection of any article of faith by a baptized member of the church. 4.any belief or theory that is strongly at variance with established beliefs, customs, etc.

According to someone's theological viewpoint yes it is heresy

[Praxeas]

I would NOT fellowship meaning preach for or preach with and if I had a church have one preach for me that believes:
The Serpent Seed message'
Spiritual Communion
Full Preterism
Doctrine of Inclusion
Faith Only
Divine Flesh
Adam Doctrine
These doctrines are outside the body of doctrine taught by the Apostolic Church.
I guess it depends on what one means by fellowship. I would not want anyone preaching in my church either that held those views....except faith only simple because "faith only" does not mean one can be saved and not have any works...that is a distorted viewpoint

[Praxeas]

And yet people keep responding Prax. It's kind of like passing a car wreck, you just can't keep yourself from looking.
hey if he wants to call me a hypocrite fine then...just don't complain if we call him a heretic lol.

[Praxeas]

TRFran, finally we agree!

Of course you understand the mainsteam Christian world would call you a heretic for not embracing the Apostles Creed....... it really doesn't feel good to be called a heretic simply because people refuse to at least see your reasoning
Oh come on. Are you seriously saying we refuse to see you reasoning? I have debated with folks on the SSD and I saw their reasoning. I disagree with it though.

[Cindy]

hey if he wants to call me a hypocrite fine then...just don't complain if we call him a heretic lol.

:toofunny

[Praxeas]

perhaps now you understand my mindset..... you good folks here have called me everything but brother.. all over things that most have no idea what their talking about,, the only know "hearsay" and rumors..... and will speak on those things
oh my gosh...not again! I never called you anything. Please prove that we all called you EVERYTHING BUT brother. Don't you think that is a little silly?

[SonsOfTheOil]

If we can at least agree that Jesus is the Son of God...and that thru him humanity is reconciled back to the Father, then we can talk over a steak at Outback.

[Praxeas]

because unlike others here... I love the entire body of Christ... I try to reason together with my brethren.....

WOW...it just gets better and better.

can you just feel the love tonight?

[Praxeas]

You have said that you don't get personal. This seems personal. My point to you is I think very few people from this forum will follow Branham. You know how TR or me are going to react.

The only way I would believe all this Branham doctrine is if an Angel of the Lord or the Lord Himself told it to me. I would have to have a road to the Damascus moment like Paul. But since I have already got the Gospel of Jesus Christ, I don't think the other will happen.
Ironic isn't it? Supposedly we have called him everything under the sun BUT brother....he whined that people were attacking him personally and he has been very respectful....sigh

[Praxeas]

ManofWord.. so your doctrines are all 100% correct... and thats how you judge others by your understanding of scripture? pretty close minded is it not?
Next? Who will he insult next? Ironic that MOW did not call him anything...no names...no personal attacks...but MOW of all the liberals of this board is close minded according to the Dr....wow..I mean WOW.

Oh the love is just ooozing here

[Cindy]

Yep, ironic huh?

[Praxeas]

William Marrion Branham believed, preached and taught that he was the 7th angel to the 7th church age. Sorry, I don't buy that. That's a pretty arrogant statement, if you ask me and there certainly aren't very many people who do believe that. :D
Arrogant...now there is a word I wanted to use but according to the Dr it's already been used along with EVERY OTHER WORD but the word "Brother"....lol...is someone trying to pull the wool over our eyes or what?

Maybe he is trying to prove you are all of the serpent seed? I don't know but this is absurd.

[Praxeas]

ManofWord.. over 2 million believe it.. but that is besides the point

So what does that prove? Why mention it if it is beside your point here...

I am making a public challenge to you in the sake of TRUTH.. show me ONE TIME or PLACE where he ever taught such a thing......... and then I will show you where he absolutely did not....
you are going to show us where he did not teach something? hehe....I can show you were Jesus did not teach he was the Son of God...that does not mean in other places though he DID teach he was the Son of God

[Praxeas]

BKSTOKES.. your very opinionated.. thanks
ANOTHER name! We have yet ANOTHER name by our esteemed Dr...perhaps he is trying to cover all the things we supposedly called him. Of course Dr Vaughn probably does not think he is opinionated or a hypocrite.

[Michael The Disciple]

I can be cordial and kind to people of all Christian type beliefs. I enjoy meeting them all and spending some time with them. However fellowship is when hearts are united.

[ManOfWord]

Now ManofWord.... if you were honest and I believe you are.... our giftings and ministries pale in comparison to how God used Bro. Branham..... am I wrong for saying that?

Thousands stood before him as the Angel of the Lord would reveal the very secrets of their heart to prove Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever...

Congresmen. crippled from birth rising to their feet healed for the rest of their lives.......

While I am sure you have a wonderful ministry is it not prideful of us not to recognize the very special and unique touch of God on Bro. Branhams life?

Prove to me that it was the angel of the Lord who revealed things to him.

And yes, he did have quite an anointing....but so did the other WWII healing revivalists of his day. There seemed to be an anointing for those things on many ministers of that time. Branham was only one of them. And he did fairly well until he started believing that he was the "voice" to the 7th church age.

Now, his followers have taken his sermons and divided them up into chapter and verse just like the bible. They put that much stock in them. The truth is that he was just a man. A man just like other men who preached the word of God. Like I said, big deal. You can follow a man all you want and revere his sermons as scripture. I think I'll just follow Jesus. :D

[SDG]

Um, no.

[SDG]

Mow ...

Jesus is just alright with me.

[ManOfWord]

Mow ...

Jesus is just alright with me.


Jesus is just alright, oh yeah!!! :choir

[SDG]

Jesus is just alright, oh yeah!!! :choir

Union City choir had a great version of that song ... years ago. Ever hear it?

[bkstokes]

MOW

Where did you find your cartoon Avatar at?

[Monkeyman]

Union City choir had a great version of that song ... years ago. Ever hear it?
*ahem* It was CLC Youth Choir *ahem*


But nobody did it like the Doobie Bros:)

[SDG]

*ahem* It was CLC Youth Choir *ahem*


But nobody did it like the Doobie Bros:)

No sir ... it was the Union City Chorale in the 80's that I'm referring to ... I'll try to find the tape and make an .mp3

[Monkeyman]

No sir ... it was the Union City Chorale in the 80's that I'm referring to ... I'll try to find the tape and make an .mp3And I can provide a mp3 of CLC with Jeff Garner as the soloist...BTW, Union City ALWAYS followed us, he he he!!!! You tell Aaron that, he heeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[shag]

Amen bruthus
He's not only just alright,
He's just ALL RIGHT!!!! with me!
:happydance

[SDG]

Amen bruthus
He's not only just alright,
He's just ALL RIGHT!!!! with me!
:happydance

*enter organ and funky bass*

Oh yes, He's alright ... He's alright with me ... oh yeah (repeat)


*and some exuberant worship ... even if Dr. Vaughn just claps his Episcopalian hands*

[bkstokes]

*enter organ and funky bass*

Oh yes, He's alright ... He's alright with me ... oh yeah (repeat)


*and some exuberant worship ... even if Dr. Vaughn just claps his hands*

:toofunny :toofunny

[Monkeyman]

I TRIED HIM AND I FOUND OUT, HE'S ALRIGHT WIFF ME!!!!!!!!!!!:bliss

[JTULLOCK]

I would like to point something out here... if I might

everyone of you said in the above poll that you would not divide fellowship over someones understanding of Genesis.......

Well... I understand Genesis in a different way than many of you... I see the doctrine of Original Sin or Serpent Seed in Genesis......

See the point? We actually do take issue against things that really do not matter.. but I assure you if I walked into your congregation next Sunday..... the fact that I believe in Serpent Seed.. would definitly have some strong whispers going.. and the point is... by your own confessions.. it should not.. because it doesn't matter,, has nothing to do with salvation.. yet this board acts like it is a curse word

Dr. V, I understood the question about the Genesis thing. I do not see it as divisive unless one starts to preach it as doctrine. I do see it differently, but I am not going to be hard on someone for seeing it differently. I personally think that we fight over too much when there is a common ground on which to stand, but if you or someone starts preaching it AS doctrine then there might be a problem, but as far as just your personal beliefs I find not issue with it.

[bkstokes]

V

You say you have studied a lot about Branham. Did he start having less healings and that type of stuff when he started to publicly program the S Seed doctrine?

[Steve Epley]

V

You say you have studied a lot about Branham. Did he start having less healings and that type of stuff when he started to publicly program the S Seed doctrine?

Yes he most certainly did look at me last post on the SS thread.

[stmatthew]

Fellowshipping and associating with someone are 2 different things.

I can associate with anyone that is a moral person. Sinner or saint.

Fellowship goes beyond a natural relationship to me, and is a spiritual connection. I cannot in good conscience fellowship with someone that I believe to lack ethics, integrity, or who holds false doctrine in regards to salvation, and some issues that to me will determine salvation.

as to your list, I can associate with any, but If their understanding is different than mine, I cannot fellowship with:

Tribulation & Endtime events - Can
Trinitarianism - Cannot
Water Baptism - Cannot
Standards - hard to answer,,, depends on how extreme
Their understanding of Genesis? - Depends on the context of what they believe
Eternal Security - Cannot
Their belief on Hell - Cannot
Their belief that Jesus is the only way to be saved - Yes
Their understanding of Heaven? - Can
Predestination - Cannot
Women Preachers - Can, but would not sit under a woman preacher
Initial Evidence - Cannot
Worship Styles - Can

[steve p]

Good to see you back brother steve. Interesting isn't it?

Thanks!!! Its good to be back. The Lord revealed to me that I was "throwing the baby out with the bathwater"!!! So, as I learned in Alcoholics Anonymous..."Take what you can use....and leave the rest...."
Blessings to ALL here....especially to those with whom I disagree.!!!

Tis never my friends that shape my character....it's those with whom I have controversy....
Steve P.