Hope! Action! Change!

[1Corinth2v4]

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[DividedThigh]

you will be lucky if you have any change left after he raises our taxes, lol,dt

[Rico]

you will be lucky if you have any change left after he raises our taxes, lol,dt

That was a good one! :lol

[DividedThigh]

to bad it is true rico my compadre, lol,dt

[Rico]

to bad it is true rico my compadre, lol,dt

Nah. I seriously doubt things are going to be as bad as you think. The sky isn't falling DT.

[AbundantGrace]

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Oh, I DO believe that Obama will change things. I'm afraid that an Obama Administration will change this nation into an America that once was. We won't recognize it any longer. If people take the ACTION to elect Obama, our HOPE will be all but lost as a nation, because he will CHANGE us in ways that we never dreamed. Change, just for the sake of change, is not always a good thing. One thing's for certain, the terrorists will be happy if he is elected.

:reaction

[Baron1710]

Oh, I DO believe that Obama will change things. I'm afraid that an Obama Administration will change this nation into an America that once was. We won't recognize it any longer. If people take the ACTION to elect Obama, our HOPE will be all but lost as a nation, because he will CHANGE us in ways that we never dreamed. Change, just for the sake of change, is not always a good thing. One thing's for certain, the terrorists will be happy if he is elected.

:reaction

They will be happy to have him over for dinner and a nice chat.

[DividedThigh]

well the secret service can protect him, dt

[AbundantGrace]

well the secret service can protect him, dt

Right, but the question is, "Who Will Protect Us?"

[DividedThigh]

scary isnt it, i know what you mean, well i guess me and mine will have to hunker down in our houses with our guns and church and wait, lol,dt

[Rico]

THE SKY IS FALLING!

[DividedThigh]

you funny rico, dt

[1Corinth2v4]

you will be lucky if you have any change left after he raises our taxes, lol,dt

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Get your facts straight bubba!

[CC1]

Oh, I DO believe that Obama will change things. I'm afraid that an Obama Administration will change this nation into an America that once was. We won't recognize it any longer. If people take the ACTION to elect Obama, our HOPE will be all but lost as a nation, because he will CHANGE us in ways that we never dreamed. Change, just for the sake of change, is not always a good thing. One thing's for certain, the terrorists will be happy if he is elected.

:reaction

Amen. He already has the endorsement of many of them. They see a yellow belly left wing pacifist and are thrilled.

[DividedThigh]

obama himself has said many times he will raise taxes, get yours straight bubba, dt

[AbundantGrace]

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Get your facts straight bubba!


He's an extreme left democrat isn't he! Enough Said! :boxing

[Mosby48]

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I HOPE I'm wrong, but I think the ACTION Obama will take is spoken of in Revelations and the CHANGE wrought will not be pretty!!!

[AbundantGrace]

I HOPE I'm wrong, but I think the ACTION Obama will take is spoken of in Revelations and the CHANGE wrought will not be pretty!!!

Amen! Preach It My Friend! :reaction

[1Corinth2v4]

I HOPE I'm wrong, but I think the ACTION Obama will take is spoken of in Revelations and the CHANGE wrought will not be pretty!!!

So what?

The end must come sometime!

[1Corinth2v4]

obama himself has said many times he will raise taxes, get yours straight bubba, dt

Well I heard different!

[Rico]

So what?

The end must come sometime!

Amen!


VOTE FOR OBAMA!

And Hasten The Return of The Lord!

[AbundantGrace]

Well I heard different!

Just remember this, one of his staunchest supporters is Teddy Kennedy!

[Cindy]

Just remember this, one of his staunchest supporters is Teddy Kennedy!

I wonder how poor Ted is doing? Have they operated on him yet to remove the tumor?
I don't trust anyone to be president that has an accent anyway. We need a southerner in the White House, but a Texan would be better. PressingOn are you available?

[Rico]

I wonder how poor Ted is doing? Have they operated on him yet to remove the tumor?
I don't trust anyone to be president that has an accent anyway. We need a southerner in the White House, but a Texan would be better. PressingOn are you available?

Texans don't have accents? :toofunny

[1Corinth2v4]

I wonder how poor Ted is doing? Have they operated on him yet to remove the tumor?
I don't trust anyone to be president that has an accent anyway. We need a southerner in the White House, but a Texan would be better. PressingOn are you available?


A bunch of racist don't want a black man in office, I tell them to kick rocks and jump off a bridge!

[Mr. Steinway]

A bunch of racist don't want a black man in office, I tell them to kick rocks and jump off a bridge!

There are also a bunch of racists wanting a black man in office! The last I heard, Obama was getting 98% of the black vote!

[chosenbyone]

A bunch of racist don't want a black man in office, I tell them to kick rocks and jump off a bridge!

Who were you referring to with your "bunch of racists" comment? I don't take kindly to being called names even if it was said in jest!

[Cindy]

Texans don't have accents? :toofunny

No, everyone else does..........:toofunny

[1Corinth2v4]

:blah:blah:blahThere are also a bunch of racists wanting a black man in office! The last I heard, Obama was getting 98% of the black vote!

[AbundantGrace]

I wonder how poor Ted is doing? Have they operated on him yet to remove the tumor?
I don't trust anyone to be president that has an accent anyway. We need a southerner in the White House, but a Texan would be better. PressingOn are you available?

Yes, they did operate on him earlier this week and much of the operation was done with him awake. OUCH!

Anyway, the last I heard, he's up walking around. He will require Chemo and Radiation. I am praying for him. Cancer is a horrible thing.

AMEN to the southerner in the White House also!

[chosenbyone]

No, everyone else does..........:toofunny

Only West Texans have accents, Cindy!

[Cindy]

A bunch of racist don't want a black man in office, I tell them to kick rocks and jump off a bridge!

Excuse me? Are you kidding me? :girlytantrum

[1Corinth2v4]

Who were you referring to with your "bunch of racists" comment? I don't take kindly to being called names even if it was said in jest!

Did I address you as a racist? Are you a racist?

[Cindy]

Only West Texans have accents, Cindy!

I know, right. :toofunny

[Rico]

Yes, they did operate on him earlier this week and much of the operation was done with him awake. OUCH!

Anyway, the last I heard, he's up walking around. He will require Chemo and Radiation. I am praying for him. Cancer is a horrible thing.

AMEN to the southerner in the White House also!

Did you know that our brains do not feel pain? Ain't that freaky?

[Cindy]

A bunch of racist don't want a black man in office, I tell them to kick rocks and jump off a bridge!

Obama ain't black enough to be considered black.

[Rico]

Obama ain't black enough to be considered black.

Apparently, he considers himself black.

[AbundantGrace]

A bunch of racist don't want a black man in office, I tell them to kick rocks and jump off a bridge!

That's WRONG!!! There are racist on both sides of this fence, but to insinuate that someone is racist because the candidate that they're not voting for just so happens to be black is WRONG!

I would not vote for Barrack Obama no matter if he was black, white, brown, red, yellow, orange, green, purple, turquoise, etc. His skin color has absolutely nothing to do with it. I don't like anything that the man stands for and the things that I hold dear, he doesn't stand for. Does that make me or anyone else who feels that way a racist???

That statement was wrong, whether it was meant as a joke or not.

[Cindy]

Did you know that our brains do not feel pain? Ain't that freaky?

It is kind of freaky, isn't it the nerve center of the body?

[Tiberius Pantera]

Ahh yes. The age old "Lets get change for change sake" crowd.

Last time we did this, we got Jimmy Carter.

For those too young to remember it was the opposite of good.

But hey, we got change! We almost lost the cold war, we didn’t have any gas to complain about pricing, ended up not going to the Olympics, had double digit inflation, home mortgages had 12 and 15 percent rates....

But we got change!

Look for more of the same with this Barak = change thing.

Plus, Barak has said he will invade our allies and talk to our enemies. Talk about change.

You would just about have to have a lobotomy to vote for this guy

[Tiberius Pantera]

Im no racists, but I dont want this black man in office....

Now if he was a political twin to (with hand over heart) Ronald Rayguns, well, then I would LOVE to have him in office.

[Cindy]

Apparently, he considers himself black.

Whatever, if he wasn't a politician in this era, he would not want to be considered black, in my opinion.

[Ferd]

I consider Barak a liberal. in my estimation there is nothing worse.

it's kind of like being an outcast in India.

[Rico]

Whatever, if he wasn't a politician in this era, he would not want to be considered black, in my opinion.

Sister, I don't think he has any choice in how he is considered. One look at him and you'd know he is a light skinned black man. Why is any of this important in the first place?

[chosenbyone]

I wonder how poor Ted is doing? Have they operated on him yet to remove the tumor?
I don't trust anyone to be president that has an accent anyway. We need a southerner in the White House, but a Texan would be better. PressingOn are you available?

A bunch of racist don't want a black man in office, I tell them to kick rocks and jump off a bridge!

Did I address you as a racist? Are you a racist?

From your previous post, I gathered that the implication you presented was that southerners and/ Texans were racist. I happened to be both!

The name calling (racist) was offensive to me. It didn't help when you asked me in your next post was I racist! You should be careful when throwing insults like that at people you don't even know!

[Praxeas]

well the secret service can protect him, dt
and if they don't the gang from the Black Muslims will

[Mr. Steinway]

Ahh yes. The age old "Lets get change for change sake" crowd.

Last time we did this, we got Jimmy Carter.

For those too young to remember it was the opposite of good.

But hey, we got change! We almost lost the cold war, we didn’t have any gas to complain about pricing, ended up not going to the Olympics, had double digit inflation, home mortgages had 12 and 15 percent rates....

But we got change!

Look for more of the same with this Barak = change thing.

Plus, Barak has said he will invade our allies and talk to our enemies. Talk about change.

You would just about have to have a lobotomy to vote for this guy
Obama = Carter II

[DividedThigh]

That's WRONG!!! There are racist on both sides of this fence, but to insinuate that someone is racist because the candidate that they're not voting for just so happens to be black is WRONG!

I would not vote for Barrack Obama no matter if he was black, white, brown, red, yellow, orange, green, purple, turquoise, etc. His skin color has absolutely nothing to do with it. I don't like anything that the man stands for and the things that I hold dear, he doesn't stand for. Does that make me or anyone else who feels that way a racist???

That statement was wrong, whether it was meant as a joke or not.

oh he meant it, sounds bitter to me, dont know why, lol

[OnTheFritz]

I consider Barak a liberal. in my estimation there is nothing worse.

Really? Nothing worse?

Exaggerations. Broad generalizations, Over-simplifications.

Yep. Sounds like the Republicans to me. :bliss

[1Corinth2v4]

From your previous post, I gathered that the implication you presented was that southerners and/ Texans were racist. I happened to be both!

The name calling (racist) was offensive to me. It didn't help when you asked me in your next post was I racist! You should be careful when throwing insults like that at people you don't even know!

Back off!

I didn't accuse you of being a racist.

If you felt convicted, it isn't my problem!

[DividedThigh]

I consider Barak a liberal. in my estimation there is nothing worse.

it's kind of like being an outcast in India.

agreed , i dont like his ideas and ways, i dotn care if he is green, not gettin my support, dt

[DividedThigh]

sounded to me like you were callin a lot of people racist simply cause they dont agree with you, dt

[Cindy]

Sister, I don't think he has any choice in how he is considered. One look at him and you'd know he is a light skinned black man. Why is any of this important in the first place?

Actually Rico, my first thought when I saw him on Oprah years ago, was I thought his smile was fake. Like the Miss America contestants. But you are right about his looks, I'm just saying if he weren't a politician we would not be having this discussion.

[chosenbyone]

Back off!

I didn't accuse you of being a racist.

If you felt convicted, it isn't my problem!

No, can't say I felt convicted about being a racist. As far as it being your problem, it was apparent that there were much bigger problems for you to deal with today.

Have a great and glorious afternoon!

[Cindy]

Really? Nothing worse?

Exaggerations. Broad generalizations, Over-simplifications.

Yep. Sounds like the Republicans to me. :bliss

Ferd a Republican? Say it aint so......:drama

:toofunny :toofunny :toofunny

[Cindy]

Back off!

I didn't accuse you of being a racist.

If you felt convicted, it isn't my problem!

I do believe that you typed the word racist first. So be nice.

[1Corinth2v4]

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[AbundantGrace]

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Can What???

[Ferd]

agreed , i dont like his ideas and ways, i dotn care if he is green, not gettin my support, dt

people who think like obama have a screw loose (did I spell that right?)

they cant be trusted.


I think it is a mental illness.

[Ferd]

Can What???

sounds to me like something that should be said at the Special Olympics.

Obama could qualify. IMHO

[mizpeh]

people who think like obama have a screw loose (did I spell that right?)

they cant be trusted.


I think it is a mental illness.

:bliss:bliss:bliss

[1Corinth2v4]

people who think like obama have a screw loose (did I spell that right?)

they cant be trusted.


I think it is a mental illness.



Kinda funny that you insult people here that prayed for your wife and child's delivery.

[DividedThigh]

oh my goodness, the coolaid is flowing, good thing i have my trusty mountian dew handy, no koolaid for me, dt

[Ferd]

Really? Nothing worse?

Exaggerations. Broad generalizations, Over-simplifications.

Yep. Sounds like the Republicans to me. :bliss

uhm, yes. NOTHING WORSE and still not be in jail...

the homeless who are homeless and begging for money because they want to be homeless, begging for money and smell of thier own waste are to be respected above liberals.

Obama WANTS to raise taxes, increase spending and lose in Iraq.

WANTS TO! those are HIS WORDS.

you want broad generalizations and over-simplifications? how about when Obama says a McCain win will be a third Bush term? it is both a lie and what you accused republicans of.

[DividedThigh]

kinda think if the shoe fits wear it, lol

[Ferd]

Kinda funny that you insult people here that prayed for your wife and child's delivery.

I was talking about obama dude. that was pretty unkind.

[DividedThigh]

uhm, yes. NOTHING WORSE and still not be in jail...

the homeless who are homeless and begging for money because they want to be homeless, begging for money and smell of thier own waste are to be respected above liberals.

Obama WANTS to raise taxes, increase spending and lose in Iraq.

WANTS TO! those are HIS WORDS.

you want broad generalizations and over-simplifications? how about when Obama says a McCain win will be a third Bush term? it is both a lie and what you accused republicans of.

good post ferd, god i missed you, dt lol:toofunny

[1Corinth2v4]

people who think like obama have a screw loose (did I spell that right?)

they cant be trusted.


I think it is a mental illness.

I was talking about obama dude. that was pretty unkind.



Really?

[mizpeh]

I was talking about obama dude. that was pretty unkind.

This is what you said, Ferd: people who think like obama have a screw loose

Maybe 1cor thinks like Obama! or he likes the way Obama thinks!

[DividedThigh]

Really?

well dr savage does say that liberalism is a mental disorder, i concur, dt

[mizpeh]

well dr savage does say that liberalism is a mental disorder, i concur, dt

Is your shift button or pinky fingers not working?

[1Corinth2v4]

well dr savage does say that liberalism is a mental disorder, i concur, dt

HIS NAME TELLS THE STORY!

[Ferd]

Really?

I am sorry you wanted to go here.

yup. "Peple who think like Obama"

that is what I said. its what I meant. It was also (as all of this stuff is) tongue in cheek.

kind of like "Obama should be picking up dog poop"

isnt exactly a factual statement. but if you feel this way, if that is how we roll here, then I am extremely sorry for you.

[Praxeas]

Maybe Ferd can list all the reasons to NOT vote for Obama and Cor can list all the reason we should

[mizpeh]

Ferd, you will pray for Obama when he becomes president, won't you?

[1Corinth2v4]

Ferd, you will pray for Obama when he becomes president, won't you?

OBEY THEM THAT HAVE RULE OVER YOU!



MUAHAHAHA

[Cindy]

Maybe Ferd can list all the reasons to NOT vote for Obama and Cor can list all the reason we should

Instigator!

(Please don't ban me O Great One).

:gaga

[DividedThigh]

Is your shift button or pinky fingers not working?

no they dont work, silly, dt

[DividedThigh]

HIS NAME TELLS THE STORY!

and what story is that oh defender of hussein obama, dt

[DividedThigh]

Ferd, you will pray for Obama when he becomes president, won't you?

sure he will, we chant every day for our leaders, which way is east, lol

[Ferd]

Maybe Ferd can list all the reasons to NOT vote for Obama and Cor can list all the reason we should

how many times do I need to do that Prax? but thanks for changing the subject.

I was about to pull out the Timlan line and provide an address....


Obama wants to
Raise taxes
expand spending by a trillion dollars
lose the war in Iraq
nationalize healthcare
appoint idiots like Ruth Bader Ginsburg to the supreme court.

Among other things, he has voted to give members of the Homeland Security department, Union status so they can strike and shut down our ability be defend against terrorism in America.

I could go on.... i think we all get the point.

[mizpeh]

no they dont work, silly, dt

I didn't want to accuse you of being lazy or a hunt and pecker and find out you need a new keyboard or that your lost your pinky fingers in a lawn mower accident!

[Ferd]

Ferd, you will pray for Obama when he becomes president, won't you?

...just as I did for Bill Clinton...

I will also pray for mental healing for those that think like him (really they deserve to think better)


***Note to 1cor, that last bit was a joke. like the one you should have gotten before you decided to be insulting. ***

[Rico]

Kinda funny that you insult people here that prayed for your wife and child's delivery.

I can not believe you went there. Grow up already!

[DividedThigh]

I didn't want to accuse you of being lazy or a hunt and pecker and find out you need a new keyboard or that your lost your pinky fingers in a lawn mower accident!

thats nice sis, but i am just in a hurry most of the time, working youknow, lol

[1Corinth2v4]

I can not believe you went there. Grow up already!


Talk about growing up, you should revisit many of your post!

[Cindy]

Come on y'all lets not get personal. Things could get ugly.

[Ferd]

Come on y'all lets not get personal. Things could get ugly.

Could? I thought that was so last page.

[Ferd]

since we are on the subject.

for those of you that have prayed for my wife and little boy, thank you!

Even if you think like Obama.... I would even thank Obama.... even though I think he should be picking up dog poo instead of running for president.

now, here is a test.

Do you advocate invading an ally and talking to our mortal enemies?
Do you consider your only pastor (of 22 years) to NOT be your spiritual mentor.
Do you think belonging to a church for 22 years that advocates racist views not an issue, until the person runs for president, then think the guy has taken a "Principled stand" by ending his membership in such a church because he is running for president?
Do you have friends who BOMBED THE WHITE HOUSE and then recently stated he wished he had "done more?


if so, then you need some serious mental help. Please check in to the closest mental health facility. I will pray for you!

[Cindy]

Could? I thought that was so last page.

That's what I said Ferd, pay tention. :D
Sorry you are right, things HAVE gotten ugly.

[Cindy]

That's what I said Ferd, pay tention. :D
Sorry you are right, things HAVE gotten ugly.

In my defense, my brain went on vacation last night. But I am getting better.

[Ferd]

That's what I said Ferd, pay tention. :D
Sorry you are right, things HAVE gotten ugly.

LOL! well, I think you are awesome anyway! and I am glad your daughter is better!

[Cindy]

LOL! well, I think you are awesome anyway! and I am glad your daughter is better!

Thanks Ferd, and likewise for your wife and Baby Jack. Thank you Jesus. Do y'all have any pics yet?

[Cindy]

At least my brain didn't take luggage this time.

[AmazingGrace]

At least my brain didn't take luggage this time.

:toofunny:toofunny:toofunny

[Cindy]

:toofunny:toofunny:toofunny

NOOO, I am not moving to Terrell, Rusk maybe they have better meds........:crazywalls :gaga

[Ferd]

Pineville in Louisiana...

picts will likely be tomorrow depending on how Melissa feels.

[Cindy]

Pineville in Louisiana...

picts will likely be tomorrow depending on how Melissa feels.

We use to pass that place going to visit my grandmother in Louisiana. Kind of a creepy place when your're a kid.
Oh great, can't wait to see him.

[Rico]

Talk about growing up, you should revisit many of your post!


Yeah right. At least when I may a joke I include a smiley. It would do you some good to go learn what that meaneth,

[Rico]

since we are on the subject.

for those of you that have prayed for my wife and little boy, thank you!

Even if you think like Obama.... I would even thank Obama.... even though I think he should be picking up dog poo instead of running for president.

now, here is a test.

Do you advocate invading an ally and talking to our mortal enemies?
Do you consider your only pastor (of 22 years) to NOT be your spiritual mentor.
Do you think belonging to a church for 22 years that advocates racist views not an issue, until the person runs for president, then think the guy has taken a "Principled stand" by ending his membership in such a church because he is running for president?
Do you have friends who BOMBED THE WHITE HOUSE and then recently stated he wished he had "done more?


if so, then you need some serious mental help. Please check in to the closest mental health facility. I will pray for you!

Ferd, I went to a church for almost 10 years that was full of racist views. Doesn't mean I endorsed those views or let those views shape how I think.

[Cindy]

Ferd, I went to a church for almost 10 years that was full of racist views. Doesn't mean I endorsed those views or let those views shape how I think.

I think it's different on the outside looking in. I don't know if his former pastor always taught like that or if he just used an opportunity he otherwise wouldn't have to say some of the things he said. But I have to wonder did he really think he would help Obama's campaign? And if Obama was regular in attendance? Wonder what church he will atttend if he is elected?

[Ferd]

I think it's different on the outside looking in. I don't know if his former pastor always taught like that or if he just used an opportunity he otherwise wouldn't have to say some of the things he said. But I have to wonder did he really think he would help Obama's campaign? And if Obama was regular in attendance? Wonder what church he will atttend if he is elected?

The pastor was consistant in his demagogary. Barak was consistant in his attendance.

this man bapitzed his daughters and performed his marrage and was the only pastor Barak ever had.

I am less offended by the pastor than I am Obama not owning up to his association.

[1Corinth2v4]

Yeah right. At least when I may a joke I include a smiley. It would do you some good to go learn what that meaneth,

Oh yes.....a smiley makes the difference

[1Corinth2v4]

BUMP

[Rico]

Oh yes.....a smiley makes the difference

Of course they do. That is the whole purpose behind them. NOW GET RIGHT!!! :D (See, the smiley lets you know I am joking around with you)

[Ferd]

BUMP

I would like to know if you think like Obama.

[1Corinth2v4]

I would like to know if you think like Obama.

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[Baron1710]

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Obama - say nothing like nobody else.

[Praxeas]

Obama is for:
Gay marriage
Abortion on demand for anyone under any circumstances.
Raising taxes on the middle class
Taxing you at the gas pump.
Bartering with a sworn enemy of America and Israel.
Civil War in Iraq

Obama has ties to Communists sympathizers
Racist Black Muslims lead by Louis Farrakhan
Close friends with former members of a domestic terrorist group that never repented for their many bombings.
Obama is a leftist and as such also supports handing American sovereignty over to the likes of the UN like Bill Clinton did, which wants to put another tax on each of us Americans.

If you thought it was getting hard for Christians now, just wait till you have a democratically controlled house and democratic President who will vote in a far left liberal judge on the Supreme Court

[Kay B]

Come on y'all lets not get personal. Things could get ugly.

Things ARE ugly now!! I was at work when all this was going on.I'm now heading to church to PRAY for everyone. I sure pray you all type better later when I have a chance to read the rest of todays post.:tissue

[CC1]

Obama is for:
Gay marriage
Abortion on demand for anyone under any circumstances.
Raising taxes on the middle class
Taxing you at the gas pump.
Bartering with a sworn enemy of America and Israel.
Civil War in Iraq

Obama has ties to Communists sympathizers
Racist Black Muslims lead by Louis Farrakhan
Close friends with former members of a domestic terrorist group that never repented for their many bombings.
Obama is a leftist and as such also supports handing American sovereignty over to the likes of the UN like Bill Clinton did, which wants to put another tax on each of us Americans.

If you thought it was getting hard for Christians now, just wait till you have a democratically controlled house and democratic President who will vote in a far left liberal judge on the Supreme Court

Excellent post and right on the money. It blows my mind that any American, especially Christians, would vote for him because of the things you listed.

[CC1]

The pastor was consistant in his demagogary. Barak was consistant in his attendance.

this man bapitzed his daughters and performed his marrage and was the only pastor Barak ever had.

I am less offended by the pastor than I am Obama not owning up to his association.

The cold hard facts are that Obama's behaviour and associatoins of the past 20 years do not reflect the moderate image he is projecting now to try and win the presidency.

To those who try and say his close associations of the past 20 years don't mean anything I say hogwash!!!! You don't have reasonable, moderate views and sit under a pastor like that or a church that amen'd everything the lunatic said unless you are on board with the world view of that church.

Democrats who are tying to compare Obama's 20 years under Wright to Hagee's endorsement of McCain when McCain has never even been to Hagees church is laughable and reminds me of why I despise the Democrat party and 99% of those associated with it.

[Aquila]

you will be lucky if you have any change left after he raises our taxes, lol,dt

dt...what income bracket will experience a tax hike?

[Aquila]

I consider Barak a liberal. in my estimation there is nothing worse.

it's kind of like being an outcast in India.

Matthew 5:46
For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

Matthew 22:39
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Luke 6:32
For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

Luke 6:35
But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

John 13:35
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Matthew 6:24
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Ferd, liberals just have a different political opinion. Stop listening to Sean Hannity and try listening to a little bit of Jesus.

[Aquila]

Obama = Carter II

I think you might be right. We'll have to see. The one "change" I think people are looking for is someone other than a Bush or Clinton in the White House.

[Aquila]

people who think like obama have a screw loose (did I spell that right?)

they cant be trusted.


I think it is a mental illness.

Please. Are you a Christian or a Republican political hack? Some Christians and Americans just don't have the same concerns or opinions you do Ferd. They're not mentally ill.

[Aquila]

sounds to me like something that should be said at the Special Olympics.

Obama could qualify. IMHO

Having worked with the UCP and as a Therapeutic Programming Assistant for the MRDD, I think that's uncalled for and tasteless.

[Aquila]

I was talking about obama dude. that was pretty unkind.

Actually you said,

Originally Posted by Ferd View Post
people who think like obama have a screw loose (did I spell that right?)

they cant be trusted.


I think it is a mental illness.

That would mean this is how you feel about anyone who would support Obama's positions is untrustworthy and mentally ill.

[Aquila]

well dr savage does say that liberalism is a mental disorder, i concur, dt

Note: Republicans and conservatives are increasingly becoming mentally conditioned by the false prophets of Right Wing talk radio.

[Aquila]

I am sorry you wanted to go here.

yup. "Peple who think like Obama"

that is what I said. its what I meant. It was also (as all of this stuff is) tongue in cheek.

kind of like "Obama should be picking up dog poop"

isnt exactly a factual statement. but if you feel this way, if that is how we roll here, then I am extremely sorry for you.

This this mean you know that your exaggerating and possibly insulting some your brethren?

[Aquila]

Ferd, I think your post is uninformed....

how many times do I need to do that Prax? but thanks for changing the subject.

I was about to pull out the Timlan line and provide an address....


Obama wants to
Raise taxes

Which tax bracket will that be and how much?

expand spending by a trillion dollars

On average every President has increased spending. It's disturbing, but a lot of that will be money saved from our strategic withdraw from Iraq.

lose the war in Iraq

Our mission was to dethrone Saddam and eliminate his WMD capabilities...well...to eliminate him. Iraq is currently falling into a civil war between Iraqi factions. This war opening up on the heels of our mission is their war not ours.

nationalize healthcare

Nope. He will negotiate lower premiums for citizens and subsidize private health insurance for those who cannot afford it. The health care industry itself will continue pretty much the same as it currently functions.


appoint idiots like Ruth Bader Ginsburg to the supreme court.

And who do you think McCain will appoint and what can we expect from them?

Among other things, he has voted to give members of the Homeland Security department, Union status so they can strike and shut down our ability be defend against terrorism in America.

Actually, like police and fire authorities, they will become bargaining unit, however they will not be allowed to strike.

I could go on.... i think we all get the point.

Yep...Ferd doesn't know what he's talking about.

[Aquila]

I can not believe you went there. Grow up already!

Ferd has a tendency to say inflammatory things about people who disagree with him politically...and then fall back and claim he was joking. I sincerely think Ferd believes that many who prayed for him are mentally ill.

[CC1]

Aquila,

Your assertion that Iraq is "currently falling into a war between factoins" is factually wrong.

That was the situation before the surge but the Shia and Sunni are working much better together now. The Shia Prime Minister has come down hard on renegade Shia militia's and that has finally bought him credibility among the Sunni.

Why do you ignore the recent progess in Iraq? Could it be that you are "invested" into it being a lost cause and don't want to admit you were wrong?

That is the dilemma many Dems find themselves in who opposed the surge. They hate to admit anything good happening in Iraq.

My son witnessed this first hand during his two tours in the Al Anbar province . The media only covered the negative things that happend. CNN embedded a crew with them for five days and many positive good things happened during that time but the only thing that made the news was when they hit and IED and my son's seargant was wounded.

[CC1]

Note: Republicans and conservatives are increasingly becoming mentally conditioned by the false prophets of Right Wing talk radio.


Oh here we goa again. Us Republicans are all just stupid mind numbed robots who only get our thoughts from Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity!

Good grief! Give it a rest. I have been a political junkie / policy wonk since I was a nerdy 16 year old high school student.

I was a card carrying Republican at age 16, two years before I could vote and SEVERAL DECADES before talk radio!

I am college educated and self educated. American government is a hobby of mine.

So stop it with the snide remarks about the intelleigence and thinking ability of those who oppose Obama and don't join the masses trashing GWB.

[Aquila]

since we are on the subject.

for those of you that have prayed for my wife and little boy, thank you!

Even if you think like Obama.... I would even thank Obama.... even though I think he should be picking up dog poo instead of running for president.

now, here is a test.

Do you advocate invading an ally and talking to our mortal enemies?

If that "ally" is harboring Osama bin Laden they're not much of an ally and they are begging for a strategic military strike.

The American President shouldn't be a coward who hides in the ivory tower of the White House from two bit foreign dictators. Our President should have no issue with meeting with any two bit dictator, world leader, or official on America's terms in order to clearly state America's interests and what would be in that leader and their nation's best interests should they assume opposing us would be profitable.

Do you consider your only pastor (of 22 years) to NOT be your spiritual mentor.

I think it's sad Obama had to disown his pastor over all this. I think it's sad McCain had to renounce Hagee over politics. My last pastor was just as fanatical as Wright, accept he was a right wing fanatic instead of a left wing fanatic.

Do you think belonging to a church for 22 years that advocates racist views not an issue, until the person runs for president, then think the guy has taken a "Principled stand" by ending his membership in such a church because he is running for president?

I will not criticize their theological bent...but I think it's sad that we will force any politician to have to renounce his church.

Do you have friends who BOMBED THE WHITE HOUSE and then recently stated he wished he had "done more?

Politics is a dirty job. In come circumstances you find yourself working with the bottom of the barrel.

if so, then you need some serious mental help. Please check in to the closest mental health facility. I will pray for you!

Gee...thanks.

[Aquila]

Ferd, I went to a church for almost 10 years that was full of racist views. Doesn't mean I endorsed those views or let those views shape how I think.

Thank you. Besides, their not racist...they espouse an ethnocentric theology. Big difference.

[Aquila]

Obama is for:
Gay marriage

Actually he's for civil unions...as is McCain.


Abortion on demand for anyone under any circumstances.

You mean like the Bush Administration?

Raising taxes on the middle class

Not true. Can you specify which tax bracket and the tax increase?

Taxing you at the gas pump.

Investigating to find out if speculators and suppliers are driving up the price of oil is in America's best interests.


Bartering with a sworn enemy of America and Israel.

Obama never used the term "bartering". Obama doesn't believe that a President should be a coward who hides in the Oval Office, but rather should personally approach world leaders on America's terms to specify America's intentions and personally tell them face to face how our interests are in their best interests.

Civil War in Iraq

Already in a civil war.

Obama has ties to Communists sympathizers

Like Trotskyist neoconservatives and John McCain?

Racist Black Muslims lead by Louis Farrakhan

Like it or not Farrakhan was a social force in America.

Close friends with former members of a domestic terrorist group that never repented for their many bombings.

Not close friends. Politics makes strange bedfellows.

Obama is a leftist and as such also supports handing American sovereignty over to the likes of the UN like Bill Clinton did, which wants to put another tax on each of us Americans.

You mean like Bush? We went to war in Iraq to enforce the UN's resolutions. Iraq was no real threat to the U.S.

If you thought it was getting hard for Christians now, just wait till you have a democratically controlled house and democratic President who will vote in a far left liberal judge on the Supreme Court

Hard for Christians? Are you crazy? I got up, went to work, read my Bible at my desk, talked about salvation with two people in the break room, rushed home listening to Christian radio, got dressed and openly drove to church. Our services weren't interrupted by secret police nor were we followed home and harassed by secret police. Oh...I did have one issue...I realized I couldn't use government to control what others did because it offended my religious sensibilities.

[Aquila]

Aquila,

Your assertion that Iraq is "currently falling into a war between factoins" is factually wrong.

That was the situation before the surge but the Shia and Sunni are working much better together now. The Shia Prime Minister has come down hard on renegade Shia militia's and that has finally bought him credibility among the Sunni.

Why do you ignore the recent progess in Iraq? Could it be that you are "invested" into it being a lost cause and don't want to admit you were wrong?

That is the dilemma many Dems find themselves in who opposed the surge. They hate to admit anything good happening in Iraq.

My son witnessed this first hand during his two tours in the Al Anbar province . The media only covered the negative things that happend. CNN embedded a crew with them for five days and many positive good things happened during that time but the only thing that made the news was when they hit and IED and my son's seargant was wounded.

It's not that the surge didn't work. It's that no matter what we do, no matter when we leave things are going to fall apart as the factions go hot. The only answer is a permanent surge, babysitting operation. Also...it's important to note that not every region has been stabilized.

[CC1]

It's not that the surge didn't work. It's that no matter what we do, no matter when we leave things are going to fall apart as the factions go hot. The only answer is a permanent surge, babysitting operation. Also...it's important to note that not every region has been stabilized.

You have no basis on which to state that no matter what we do when we leave things are going to fall apart.

Each of the three main groupd (Sunni, Kurds, Shia) have a vested interest in the government working.

Great progress has been made in allocating oil revenue, other resources, dividing up power, etc over the past nine months.

You just have to dig deep to find that news and those determined for Iraq to be a failure somehow don't look for those stories.

Heaven forbid that GWB might make adjustjments and Iraq end up a success!!! We couldn't have that now could we????

I thought it was a disgrace last year when literally one week into the surge, when over 90% of the surge had not even started yet the Dem Senate leader Harry Reid called the surge a failure.

The dems and those opposed to the war are so vested in our failure they refuse to admit when things turn around. Success does not fit in their predictions and they don't want it at all cost, which I find amazing.

[Aquila]

It's not going to hold. First, it's an Islamic culture. Second, there are outside forces such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Russia who are just looking destabilize Iraq.

[CC1]

It's not going to hold. First, it's an Islamic culture. Second, there are outside forces such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Russia who are just looking destabilize Iraq.

Ah, but the good news is that Iraq and Iran have been enemies for a long time and a strong Iraq government will be able to discourage Iran from interfering. They share Shia believers but most Iraqi Shia don't want Iran dictating to them.

I am not sure why you think Saudi Arabia and Russia desire to destabilize Iraq.

BTW - One thing you don't really read in the media but my son pointed out to me is that a large majority of the Iraqi populatoin is secular. They make noises about religion but are what we would call "Sunday or Easter Christians" in our faith in America. Of course out of 25 million people you only need 10% to be religous zealots and you have 2.5 million!

Ibelieve the majority of Iraqis whoare secular for the most part will support a strong government and it doing what it needs to do to keep outside interference at a minimum.

However if we leave prematurely before the Iraq government is strong enough then your prediction will come true. That is the Irony. Libs / Dems would force us to cut and run and then when things would collapse they would try to say "we told you it would"! when they would have caused it themselves.

[CC1]

Thank you. Besides, their not racist...they espouse an ethnocentric theology. Big difference.

If you don't think what Jeremiah Wright was saying was not racist then we don't have enough reality in common to debate any further.

It was some of the most racist rantings I have ever heard. Right up there with any of the nutty things from the Ku Klux Klan.

I suppose father Plager or Flager or whatever who spoke at that church last Sunday was not calling Hillary a white supremecist?

I don't know what kool aid you have been drinking but it must have been spiked with something really strong.

[Aquila]

If you don't think what Jeremiah Wright was saying was not racist then we don't have enough reality in common to debate any further.

It was some of the most racist rantings I have ever heard. Right up there with any of the nutty things from the Ku Klux Klan.

His comments were ethnocentric yes...but racist no. Quite a few whites attend the church also. One of their leading ministers is a white lady.

I suppose father Plager or Flager or whatever who spoke at that church last Sunday was not calling Hillary a white supremecist?

Hillary does feel entitled. I think first, because she's a Clinton and her husband was President. Second I think it is because she's white. Bill Clinton and other high profile Hillary supporters have made quite a few indications that her campaign feels Obama is doing so well in some places and inner cities is because of his color.

I don't know what kool aid you have been drinking but it must have been spiked with something really strong.

Let's try not to get personal.

But that brings me to another issue. Why are Republicans are becoming so hateful and venomous? Don't you guys realize that you're turning folks off and offending good people who just disagree with you? You're not Sean Hannity and I'm not your guest to nail to the wall in front of your viewers...I'm your brother. Accusing people of being "cool aide" drinkers etc. isn't conducive to dialogue and conversational exchange.

[Praxeas]

Matthew 5:46
For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

Matthew 22:39
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Luke 6:32
For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

Luke 6:35
But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

John 13:35
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Matthew 6:24
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Ferd, liberals just have a different political opinion. Stop listening to Sean Hannity and try listening to a little bit of Jesus.
Ferd is talking about political ideology. Im sure if Barack was on the side of the road beaten up that Ferd would help him too. But what Jesus said does NOT make Obama a good choice for president

[Praxeas]

Note: Republicans and conservatives are increasingly becoming mentally conditioned by the false prophets of Right Wing talk radio.
lol...you don't think Democrats and liberals don't listen to the anti Republican/conservative sound bites from talk show hosts, rock stars, movie stars and political wanna bes?

BTW many people on both sides of the political spectrum often listen to these people because they agree with them already, not because Savage worked voodoo magic and captures everyones brain.

[Praxeas]

Which tax bracket will that be and how much?
Usually the middle class bears the burden, but what difference does it make? You think he is gonna milk the super rich who supported his campaign?

On average every President has increased spending. It's disturbing, but a lot of that will be money saved from our strategic withdraw from Iraq.
Some more than others....sadly though Bush has failed miserably in this area, but I consider Bush an anomaly...I hope he is.

Our mission was to dethrone Saddam and eliminate his WMD capabilities...well...to eliminate him. Iraq is currently falling into a civil war between Iraqi factions. This war opening up on the heels of our mission is their war not ours.

I don't know if you realize this but in EVERY war we have been in we had a goal and we had an understanding that AFTER a war like the one in Iraq there would be a POST war police action and restructuring and stabilization. Colon Powell illustrated this before the war...so while our first goal was to destabilize Saddam's government, get him and those that were part of his government, our secondary goal was to set up a stable government and help it reform a police and military force and as well get the infrastructure repaired. We've done most of that....the government and the military/police force still need work on. Even Bush says we will have to get out of Iraq. The difference is Bush and a lot of Republicans don't see that the goals have completely been met yet to the point that leaving won't cause a total collapse.

BTW what do you think would happen? Here is the scenario I think will happen. Iraq will become another Iran politically and religiously. The minority Muslims and the Christians will be persecuted. Israel will have one more closer nasty neighbor to content with. Iraq will have essentially a puppet government of Iran or a close ally. They all amass weaponry aimed at Iraq and they will threaten our ally Saudi Arabia. They will corner the market almost on oil and raise our oil prices through the roof.

Lebanon will be completely taken over by Hezbollah and armed with more deadlier weapons aimed at Israel

Nope. He will negotiate lower premiums for citizens and subsidize private health insurance for those who cannot afford it. The health care industry itself will continue pretty much the same as it currently functions.
WHO will be "those that can not afford it"? The middle class? Probably not, but who will he tax to pay for it? The super rich? That's a laugh. I doubt George Soros wants to pay for every poor American to have health insurance. I am not against Health insurance either but usually it is the middle class bearing the burden while the super rich use all the loopholes to not pay for anything

[Praxeas]

Thank you. Besides, their not racist...they espouse an ethnocentric theology. Big difference.
They espouse an AFROcentric theology. And quite honestly they probably are not racists, but they sound very much like leftists...and I don't mean "Democrat"

[Praxeas]

Actually he's for civil unions...as is McCain.

The problem is is that the Gay powerbase are Democratic to the far left. Eventually Obama and others will bow to them. We will see though if Obama is elected if he keeps his promise.

You mean like the Bush Administration?
How is the Bush administration pro abortion on demand for everyone and every situation?

Not true. Can you specify which tax bracket and the tax increase?
ROFL...if it is not true then what is the point in asking which tax bracket?

Investigating to find out if speculators and suppliers are driving up the price of oil is in America's best interests.
Talking heads. Come on...nobody is that naive...they are talking heads. They want YOU to think they are doing something about it but they end up doing nothing. I don't expect either side to really do much unless we start really complaining. But as long as we THINK they are doing something about it most Americans will just keep drinking the kool aid

Obama never used the term "bartering". Obama doesn't believe that a President should be a coward who hides in the Oval Office, but rather should personally approach world leaders on America's terms to specify America's intentions and personally tell them face to face how our interests are in their best interests.
Lol....yeah. He believes that...you believe that?

Already in a civil war.
Nope

Like Trotskyist neoconservatives and John McCain?
explain

Like it or not Farrakhan was a social force in America.
lol...so? What does that have to do with what I said? Nothing, just more obfuscation and red herring arguments.

Not close friends. Politics makes strange bedfellows.
how do you know that?

You mean like Bush?
explain

We went to war in Iraq to enforce the UN's resolutions. Iraq was no real threat to the U.S.
And?

Hard for Christians? Are you crazy? I got up, went to work, read my Bible at my desk, talked about salvation with two people in the break room, rushed home listening to Christian radio, got dressed and openly drove to church. Our services weren't interrupted by secret police nor were we followed home and harassed by secret police. Oh...I did have one issue...I realized I couldn't use government to control what others did because it offended my religious sensibilities.
No, are you an idiot? Not saying you are, just asking like you asked me if I was crazy. Thank God you can do that now....you really believe it's going to be status quo from here on out?

[Praxeas]

But that brings me to another issue. Why are Republicans are becoming so hateful and venomous? Don't you guys realize that you're turning folks off and offending good people who just disagree with you? You're not Sean Hannity and I'm not your guest to nail to the wall in front of your viewers...I'm your brother. Accusing people of being "cool aide" drinkers etc. isn't conducive to dialogue and conversational exchange.
Are YOU crazy? Well? Are you? I find it funny how you talk about hate but ignore the hate rhetoric from someone like Jeremiah Wright or Farrakhan or how about Al Frankin? Come on, get out of the tunnel so you can have a panoramic view. Republicans don't have a market on hate or venomous words. In fact I see you whine a lot about others but then you spout your own venom.

[Aquila]

Prax let's zero in on two points. All candidates involved are pro-civil union. And while you and others claim that the gay lobby is the powerbase of the far left, you fail to see that the same was said of Clinton. But Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act. Also you fail to see that as more and more individuals and groups support Obama that typically don't support Democrats, he becomes less and less beholden to that traditional interest group.

Also it was claimed that making homeland security bargaining unit they would be able to strike. That's not true either.

These two points illustrate the blatant distortion of the facts you guys are engaging in. It's one thing to disagree about policy. We can go back and forth on health care and war strategy. But the facts are that all involved support civil unions and what was said about homeland security striking isn't true.

[TRFrance]

No thanks.
http://www.bluewavecreations.com/catalog/NObama3x5stkrthmb.jpg

Keep the change.

[Ferd]

The cold hard facts are that Obama's behaviour and associatoins of the past 20 years do not reflect the moderate image he is projecting now to try and win the presidency.

To those who try and say his close associations of the past 20 years don't mean anything I say hogwash!!!! You don't have reasonable, moderate views and sit under a pastor like that or a church that amen'd everything the lunatic said unless you are on board with the world view of that church.

Democrats who are tying to compare Obama's 20 years under Wright to Hagee's endorsement of McCain when McCain has never even been to Hagees church is laughable and reminds me of why I despise the Democrat party and 99% of those associated with it.


I was listening to the radio late last night and a guy called in and spoke about how he had to have an FBI background check to get the job he has.

after hearing him explain what he went thru, it is clear that Barak Obama couldnt pass the kind of background check every single person that will work for him if he is elected president will have to take.

[Ferd]

This this mean you know that your exaggerating and possibly insulting some your brethren?

Chris, get off your high horse. seriously. everyone knows who you are and what you are all about.


I stand by my statements.

[Cindy]

I once had a job with the US government. (Office of Education). They are very thourough with those background checks.

[Ferd]

I once had a job with the US government. (Office of Education). They are very thourough with those background checks.

I bet you werent friends with any known terrorists either!

[Ferd]

for 1Cor and others who might possibly "think like Obama", please read this carefully. I am concerned for your mental health. As I said thinking like Obama might be an issue for you mentally and I care about you! For goodness sake, you prayed for my wife and baby!

God bless you for it! Im praying for you....

This study states that Conservitives are happier than liberals.

quote: (less than 30%)
If your beliefs don't justify gaps in status, you could be left frustrated and disheartened


link (to prevent copy write infrengement or some such)

http://www.livescience.com/health/080507-liberal-conservative.html

[Ferd]

Pew research agrees!

http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/060315_happiness_pew.html

Republicans happier than Democrats!

[DividedThigh]

really, well i can sleep tonight, well happy anyway, lol

[1Corinth2v4]

http://images.cafepress.com/image/17487239_400x400.jpg

[1Corinth2v4]

http://www.expressmilwaukee.com/imgs/hed/art835widea.jpg

[DividedThigh]

i see 1cor you still have a sense of humor if nothing else, dt

[tstew]

I bet you werent friends with any known terrorists either!

Ferd, I have posted on the Ayers connection before, so I don't want to have to rehash it. Let me just say that the connection is...

Oh I'll just repost it....

My point is that I am much more interested in his views than in his "connections". Some of the connections have been tenuous and incidental at best (like with Ayers), but that has been so hyped that it seems to preempt real conversation on his views. Everytime I hear Hannity rave for 30 minutes about that instead of about Obama, it makes him seem less credible and more partisan or vindictive. I want to know about his views and how he has governed and would govern.

He and Ayers are two people prominent in the Chicago political scene and have served on boards together and been at the same functions... Ayers did despicable things when Obama was in short pants (no offense dt . No one has demonstrated any more significant relationship than that.
I just am saying that when you begin to make mountains out of mole hills, people begin to wonder if there really are as many actual mountains as you may claim. Like I said I am not a supporter of any at this point but I am tired of politics and talking heads as usual.

[1Corinth2v4]

i see 1cor you still have a sense of humor if nothing else, dt

:blah:blah:blah

[Ferd]

Ferd, I have posted on the Ayers connection before, so I don't want to have to rehash it. Let me just say that the connection is...

Oh I'll just repost it....

My point is that I am much more interested in his views than in his "connections". Some of the connections have been tenuous and incidental at best (like with Ayers), but that has been so hyped that it seems to preempt real conversation on his views. Everytime I hear Hannity rave for 30 minutes about that instead of about Obama, it makes him seem less credible and more partisan or vindictive. I want to know about his views and how he has governed and would govern.

He and Ayers are two people prominent in the Chicago political scene and have served on boards together and been at the same functions... Ayers did despicable things when Obama was in short pants (no offense dt . No one has demonstrated any more significant relationship than that.
I just am saying that when you begin to make mountains out of mole hills, people begin to wonder if there really are as many actual mountains as you may claim. Like I said I am not a supporter of any at this point but I am tired of politics and talking heads as usual.


if "Ayers did despicalble things when Obama was in short pants" was all there was to it, I would agree with you.

if he and Ayers sat on boards together was all there was to it, I would agree with you.

BUT that aint all there is.

Obama's offical launching of his candidacy for state representative took place at Ayers HOME.

AFTER he began running for President, Obama stated that he and Ayers "were friends".

its a bit more involved than Ayers doing bad stuff when Barak was a baby.

[Ferd]

http://images.cafepress.com/image/17487239_400x400.jpg

LOL! not stable up in his brainpan but smart! thats great.

gotta terrorist for a buddy but smart!

spiritual mentor is a racist but the guy is smart!

wife cant stand America but they are both smart!

yea. having a smart guy in the oval office is what we need. just like old bill. left his DNA all over the place but dude was smart so its alllllllll good!

[DividedThigh]

ayers unrepentant attitude and even saying that he wished he had done more, is interesting also, dt

[Ferd]

ayers unrepentant attitude and even saying that he wished he had done more, is interesting also, dt

and the FACT that Obama has stated that they are still friends speaks volumes.

[DividedThigh]

ding ding, i believe we have a connection, reality sets in, dt

[1Corinth2v4]

Obama is for:
Gay marriage



Praxeas, regarding gay marriage.


Obama: Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. In an interview with the Chicago Daily Tribune, Obama said, "I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."




McCain: Republican John McCain says same-sex couples should be allowed to enter into legal agreements for insurance and other purposes, but he opposes gay marriage and believes in "the unique status of marriage between and man and a woman."

[DividedThigh]

hey 1cor dude are you sure he didnt change his mind in the last few days, lol,dt

[tstew]

if "Ayers did despicalble things when Obama was in short pants" was all there was to it, I would agree with you.

if he and Ayers sat on boards together was all there was to it, I would agree with you.

BUT that aint all there is.

Obama's offical launching of his candidacy for state representative took place at Ayers HOME.

AFTER he began running for President, Obama stated that he and Ayers "were friends".

its a bit more involved than Ayers doing bad stuff when Barak was a baby.

Ferd, you may want to do some personal research into claims and not rely on sound bites.



In 1995, State Senator Alice Palmer introduced her chosen successor, Barack Obama, to a few of the district's influential liberals at the home of two well known figures on the local left: William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn....

"I can remember being one of a small group of people who came to Bill Ayers' house to learn that Alice Palmer was stepping down from the senate and running for Congress," said Dr. Quentin Young, a prominent Chicago physician and advocate for single-payer health care, of the informal gathering at the home of Ayers and his wife, Dohrn. "[Palmer] identified [Obama] as her successor."

This was not Barak Obama choosing a location to launch anything. This was an incumbent choosing the home of an influential local politician.

[tstew]

The New York Times has a rundown on William Ayer's controversial past, as well as his loose ties with Barack Obama:

Mr. Ayers is listed as a member of the nine-member board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, an offshoot of the Woods Charitable Fund, founded in 1941 by a prominent lawyer and telephone company executive. According to the fund's Web site, it has focused in recent years on "issues that affected the area's least advantaged, including welfare reform, affordable housing" and "tax policy as a tool in reducing poverty."

For a time, Mr. Obama was on the board with Mr. Ayers, though he no longer has a formal association with the group. At the debate, he described Mr. Ayers as "a guy who lives in my neighborhood," but "not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis." Mr. Obama said he was being unjustly linked to "somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old."

[Ferd]

go forth and learn the meaning of this....


For justification for Obama offering Presidential level talks with the Iranians he sites the precident of JKF meeting with Nikita Khruschev as reason for his meeting with Iran's president.

the JKF/Khruschev meeting took place in 1961 and was something Kennedy felt very strongly about doing. That meeting left Nikita Khruschev with a feeling that Kennedy was weak and shortly there after Khruschev began building a missile silo in Cuba.

We know that as the Cuban Missile Crisis. the Kennedy/Khruschev meeting was one of the biggest missteps of the cold war by the United States.

and THIS is Obamas justification for meeting with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Somebody explain to me how this "very smart" Harvard educated fellow Barak Obama can be both smart and incapable of understanding the nuance of history?

Please, raise your hand if that is what you want in a president.

really.... 'splain this.

i am on the edge of my seat!

[Ferd]

Ferd, you may want to do some personal research into claims and not rely on sound bites.



In 1995, State Senator Alice Palmer introduced her chosen successor, Barack Obama, to a few of the district's influential liberals at the home of two well known figures on the local left: William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn....

"I can remember being one of a small group of people who came to Bill Ayers' house to learn that Alice Palmer was stepping down from the senate and running for Congress," said Dr. Quentin Young, a prominent Chicago physician and advocate for single-payer health care, of the informal gathering at the home of Ayers and his wife, Dohrn. "[Palmer] identified [Obama] as her successor."

This was not Barak Obama choosing a location to launch anything. This was an incumbent choosing the home of an influential local politician.

Obamas' first run for office was in the home of a man he needed support from. a political ally a man whom Obama has called "friend" within the last year or so.

you can spin that nine ways from sunday. bottom line, Obama and Ayers are NOT simply 2 guys that served on boards together.

[tstew]

Both Obama and Ayers were members of the board of an anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 1999 and 2002. In addition, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate in April 2001, as reported here. They lived within a few blocks of each other in the trendy Hyde Park section of Chicago, and moved in the same liberal-progressive circles.

[Grasshopper]

go forth and learn the meaning of this....


For justification for Obama offering Presidential level talks with the Iranians he sites the precident of JKF meeting with Nikita Khruschev as reason for his meeting with Iran's president.

the JKF/Khruschev meeting took place in 1961 and was something Kennedy felt very strongly about doing. That meeting left Nikita Khruschev with a feeling that Kennedy was weak and shortly there after Khruschev began building a missile silo in Cuba.

We know that as the Cuban Missile Crisis. the Kennedy/Khruschev meeting was one of the biggest missteps of the cold war by the United States.

and THIS is Obamas justification for meeting with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Somebody explain to me how this "very smart" Harvard educated fellow Barak Obama can be both smart and incapable of understanding the nuance of history?

Please, raise your hand if that is what you want in a president.

really.... 'splain this.

i am on the edge of my seat!

When was this meeting with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad scheduled?

[DividedThigh]

go forth and learn the meaning of this....


For justification for Obama offering Presidential level talks with the Iranians he sites the precident of JKF meeting with Nikita Khruschev as reason for his meeting with Iran's president.

the JKF/Khruschev meeting took place in 1961 and was something Kennedy felt very strongly about doing. That meeting left Nikita Khruschev with a feeling that Kennedy was weak and shortly there after Khruschev began building a missile silo in Cuba.

We know that as the Cuban Missile Crisis. the Kennedy/Khruschev meeting was one of the biggest missteps of the cold war by the United States.

and THIS is Obamas justification for meeting with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Somebody explain to me how this "very smart" Harvard educated fellow Barak Obama can be both smart and incapable of understanding the nuance of history?

Please, raise your hand if that is what you want in a president.

really.... 'splain this.

i am on the edge of my seat!

:chirp:chirp:chirp:chirp:beatdeadhorse

[Ferd]

The New York Times has a rundown on William Ayer's controversial past, as well as his loose ties with Barack Obama:

Mr. Ayers is listed as a member of the nine-member board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, an offshoot of the Woods Charitable Fund, founded in 1941 by a prominent lawyer and telephone company executive. According to the fund's Web site, it has focused in recent years on "issues that affected the area's least advantaged, including welfare reform, affordable housing" and "tax policy as a tool in reducing poverty."

For a time, Mr. Obama was on the board with Mr. Ayers, though he no longer has a formal association with the group. At the debate, he described Mr. Ayers as "a guy who lives in my neighborhood," but "not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis." Mr. Obama said he was being unjustly linked to "somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old."

my freind, quoting the new york times is at best a first cousin to quoting from a fiction novel and calling it reality.

I have heard Obama say the above quote. i have also seen the comment where obama has stated that he and Ayers were "friendly"

there are records of Obama and Ayers being together far more than Obama suggests.

Are you telling me that for the sake of winning a public office that you are fine with Obama announcing his bid in the home of a known terrorist?

Are you telling me that this is the standard a conservitive would be judged by?

[Ferd]

Both Obama and Ayers were members of the board of an anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 1999 and 2002. In addition, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate in April 2001, as reported here. They lived within a few blocks of each other in the trendy Hyde Park section of Chicago, and moved in the same liberal-progressive circles.

if my "circle" included a terrorist, I would shift to the nearest square.

[DividedThigh]

dont kid yourself, they would have allready tarred and feathered a republican for less, dt

[tstew]

go forth and learn the meaning of this....


For justification for Obama offering Presidential level talks with the Iranians he sites the precident of JKF meeting with Nikita Khruschev as reason for his meeting with Iran's president.

the JKF/Khruschev meeting took place in 1961 and was something Kennedy felt very strongly about doing. That meeting left Nikita Khruschev with a feeling that Kennedy was weak and shortly there after Khruschev began building a missile silo in Cuba.

We know that as the Cuban Missile Crisis. the Kennedy/Khruschev meeting was one of the biggest missteps of the cold war by the United States.

and THIS is Obamas justification for meeting with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Somebody explain to me how this "very smart" Harvard educated fellow Barak Obama can be both smart and incapable of understanding the nuance of history?

Please, raise your hand if that is what you want in a president.

really.... 'splain this.

i am on the edge of my seat!

The only justification I need to try something different is that what we have tried is not working, has only increased anti-American sentiments, has destabalized the region even further, has cost more young lives than I believe is acceptable, has not improved our standard of living or the oil situation, etc...
The amazing thing is that this position of countries not engaging in tough diplomacy with nations that they do not agree with as an alternative or even a prelude to war is relatively new...historically speaking.

[Grasshopper]

Ferd,

When was this meeting with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad scheduled?

[DividedThigh]

lets not turn this thread into another give me some free healthcare thread, ok

[Ferd]

Honestly Ayers and Wright and Flager represnt a kind of background but they dont really give you the detail of the man. I at least will aknowlege that. But when you place that in context with things like Obams use of the JFK meeting with NK in 1961, it gives a picture of a man who cannot be trusted to use good judgement.

add to that comments about invading an ally and talking to our foes.

add that to the fact that obama has offered a TRILLION dollars in new spending to an already bloated budget

add that to the FACT that Obama has already given up on winning in Iraq and has declaried a path to defeat as though it is a path to victory

and it paints a picture of a man who simply is too dangerious in his ideology to be president.

[Ferd]

The only justification I need to try something different is that what we have tried is not working, has only increased anti-American sentiments, has destabalized the region even further, has cost more young lives than I believe is acceptable, has not improved our standard of living or the oil situation, etc...
The amazing thing is that this position of countries not engaging in tough diplomacy with nations that they do not agree with as an alternative or even a prelude to war is relatively new...historically speaking.

got ya. returned to failed policy because current policy is failed.

[tstew]

if my "circle" included a terrorist, I would shift to the nearest square.

Ferd, all I'm saying is that it was not Obama that made Ayers a prominent figure in the Chicago political scene. Ayers had been accepted for years as a prominent member on boards and in politics. It was inevetable that their paths would cross given the similarity in their circles and career. It's not like Obama went out of the bounds of the Chicago political scene to find a shunned terrorist to befriend.
I have yet to see anything about Obama launching campaigns aside from what I already cited to you where the incumbent Senator announced her resignation. The location would not be of his own doing.

[Ferd]

Ferd,

When was this meeting with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad scheduled?

grass hopper posting non-sensical things.

you arent on ignor because I need a good laugh from time to time.

but really. your comments arent what one would call contributory.

[Ferd]

Ferd, all I'm saying is that it was not Obama that made Ayers a prominent figure in the Chicago political scene. Ayers had been accepted for years as a prominent member on boards and in politics. It was inevetable that their paths would cross given the similarity in their circles and career. It's not like Obama went out of the bounds of the Chicago political scene to find a shunned terrorist to befriend.
I have yet to see anything about Obama launching campaigns aside from what I already cited to you where the incumbent Senator announced her resignation. The location would not be of his own doing.

I agree Obama didnt make Ayers prominent. but Obama went to Ayers so HE could gain prominence.

the connection is telling regardless of how some might feel. Obama did not take a stand. I dont want that as president.

[Grasshopper]

The truth is that this hypothetical meeting with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad hasn’t yet been discussed with the Secretary of Defense, the National Security Secretary, NSA advisors. Essentially there’s no absolute certainty that Obama will really ever do this. This might just be campaign trail rhetoric to underscore his willingness to use tough diplomacy.

And some of you are already on meltdown over it.

[tstew]

got ya. returned to failed policy because current policy is failed.

No but recognize that current policy is not working and has made things worse and not be so bullheaded that you don't pursue all feasible options. Recognize that we have put ourselves in a very tough situation and no solution will be fuzzy, feel-good perfect.

[DividedThigh]

whatever, lol

[tstew]

I agree Obama didnt make Ayers prominent. but Obama went to Ayers so HE could gain prominence.

the connection is telling regardless of how some might feel. Obama did not take a stand. I dont want that as president.

Ferd, I just don't see where he went to Ayers unless you know of some other event other than the one that I posted about before. That's all I'm saying

[Grasshopper]

Ferd, all I'm saying is that it was not Obama that made Ayers a prominent figure in the Chicago political scene. Ayers had been accepted for years as a prominent member on boards and in politics. It was inevetable that their paths would cross given the similarity in their circles and career. It's not like Obama went out of the bounds of the Chicago political scene to find a shunned terrorist to befriend.
I have yet to see anything about Obama launching campaigns aside from what I already cited to you where the incumbent Senator announced her resignation. The location would not be of his own doing.

I wonder if Ayers ever crossed paths with any Republicans in Chicago politics? If we can connect a significant number of Chicago politicians with having worked with Ayers, mark them as having terrorist ties...then we might be able to convince Bush Chicago is a foreign country and get him to bomb it.

[DividedThigh]

No but recognize that current policy is not working and has made things worse and not be so bullheaded that you don't pursue all feasible options. Recognize that we have put ourselves in a very tough situation and no solution will be fuzzy, feel-good perfect.

i agree to a point with you tstew, but i also believe that not talking to evil people no matter who they are , is speaking volumes, of course back door diplomacy functions almost always, dt

[tstew]

Honestly Ayers and Wright and Flager represnt a kind of background but they dont really give you the detail of the man. I at least will aknowlege that. But when you place that in context with things like Obams use of the JFK meeting with NK in 1961, it gives a picture of a man who cannot be trusted to use good judgement.

add to that comments about invading an ally and talking to our foes.

add that to the fact that obama has offered a TRILLION dollars in new spending to an already bloated budget

add that to the FACT that Obama has already given up on winning in Iraq and has declaried a path to defeat as though it is a path to victoryand it paints a picture of a man who simply is too dangerious in his ideology to be president.

Ferd, it's ironic that you would make these two statements in one post because many people would argue that it was incredibly poor judgement that has gotten us to this point in Iraq....of course, it was something that Obama thought was bad judgement all along.

[DividedThigh]

I wonder if Ayers ever crossed paths with Republicans in Chicago politics?

republicans in chicago politics, that is almost laughable, chicago controls almost the whole state or illinois by its shear size and population, state politics yes but city, uh no, lol

[Ferd]

No but recognize that current policy is not working and has made things worse and not be so bullheaded that you don't pursue all feasible options. Recognize that we have put ourselves in a very tough situation and no solution will be fuzzy, feel-good perfect.

tstew. we dont completely agree that the policy related to Iran is failed.
but lets assume for arguments sake that it IS failed.

then lets take Obama at face value. Obama has clearly explained his position on this. and his position is to do something that failed to replace something that is failing and using the earlier failure as REASON to return to the earlier policy that failed!

If Obama were advocating something NEW then you would have a valid arguement. But he isnt advocting something new. He is advocating something that has both been done before and failed before, all the while (and this is the really important part)using the previous failure as reason to move back to that failed policy!

dont you see that?

Dude, if you want change in policy LOOK AT JOHN MCCAIN! the man articulated a vastly different policy in Iraq, and when the president listened to McCain, that new and different course has changed things for the better.

these are clearly 2 very different methods of approach one looking for NEW WORKABLE solutions and the other a retred of past failures!

[tstew]

i agree to a point with you tstew, but i also believe that not talking to evil people no matter who they are , is speaking volumes, of course back door diplomacy functions almost always, dt

Talking to evil people is never pleasant...but apparently ignoring them doesn't make them less evil, dangerous, or a threat to us and our future.

[Ferd]

republicans in chicago politics, that is almost laughable, chicago controls almost the whole state or illinois by its shear size and population, state politics yes but city, uh no, lol

i really dont care what that dude wonders. its generally meaningless anyway.

[AmazingGrace]

Grasshopper.... you know they have meds for MPD right???

This is so silly and insane!

[Ferd]

Ferd, it's ironic that you would make these two statements in one post because many people would argue that it was incredibly poor judgement that has gotten us to this point in Iraq....of course, it was something that Obama thought was bad judgement all along.

my friend, what got us HERE doesnt matter nearly as much as where we GO from here.

I would argue the bad judgement was letting Rummy run things. being there wasnt what wasnt right. what wasnt right was what we did once there.

now we are doing what is right (and what John McCain said we should do)

so as far as I am concerned it isnt ironic at all....except and American presidential candidate having a viable chance at winning the whitehouse on a platform of American Defeat as the best thing for America. now that there is Ironic.

[DividedThigh]

Talking to evil people is never pleasant...but apparently ignoring them doesn't make them less evil, dangerous, or a threat to us and our future.

well i disagree, but in a nice way, lol

[Ferd]

we have not been ignoring Iran.

[tstew]

tstew. we dont completely agree that the policy related to Iran is failed.
but lets assume for arguments sake that it IS failed.

then lets take Obama at face value. Obama has clearly explained his position on this. and his position is to do something that failed to replace something that is failing and using the earlier failure as REASON to return to the earlier policy that failed!

If Obama were advocating something NEW then you would have a valid arguement. But he isnt advocting something new. He is advocating something that has both been done before and failed before, all the while (and this is the really important part)using the previous failure as reason to move back to that failed policy!

dont you see that?

Dude, if you want change in policy LOOK AT JOHN MCCAIN! the man articulated a vastly different policy in Iraq, and when the president listened to McCain, that new and different course has changed things for the better.

these are clearly 2 very different methods of approach one looking for NEW WORKABLE solutions and the other a retred of past failures!

Our actions in Iraq have made the situation in Iran even more threatening (I don't have time to get into the whole Sunni Shiite thing again, but you must have a fundamental understanding of all the sectarian dynamics in that region).
I'm saying that if we get to a place that tough diplomacy as an alternative or even a prelude to war is outrageous, we are in a dangerous place.

[Grasshopper]

Grasshopper.... you know they have meds for MPD right???

This is so silly and insane!

The voices have assured me that I'm perfectly sane.

[DividedThigh]

i really dont care what that dude wonders. its generally meaningless anyway.

i dont really care what he says either , under any of his names, but he has so much to teach us ferd, sensitive, lol

[DividedThigh]

The voices have assured me that I'm perfectly sane.

keep listening as long as the dangerous toys are locked up, lol

[Grasshopper]

I think diplomacy should be used to stall 'em before we carpet bomb 'em. hehehe

[Grasshopper]

we have not been ignoring Iran.

Bush couldn't find Iran on a map.

[tstew]

my friend, what got us HERE doesnt matter nearly as much as where we GO from here.

I would argue the bad judgement was letting Rummy run things. being there wasnt what wasnt right. what wasnt right was what we did once there.

now we are doing what is right (and what John McCain said we should do)

so as far as I am concerned it isnt ironic at all....except and American presidential candidate having a viable chance at winning the whitehouse on a platform of American Defeat as the best thing for America. now that there is Ironic.

Ferd, you can't have it both ways. You can't scour Obama's past to demonstrate bad judgement because of who he associates with...but then when discussing bad judgements based specifically on bad judgements made say what got us here doesn't matter.

[DividedThigh]

I think diplomacy should be used to stall 'em before we carpet bomb 'em. hehehe

if only you really believed this, how sane you would be, dt

[Grasshopper]

keep listening as long as the dangerous toys are locked up, lol

But...I...shhhh....I know where the KEY IS. HAHAHHAHAHA

[DividedThigh]

But...I...shhhh....I know where the KEY IS. HAHAHHAHAHA

well you make me laugh , good for you, i needed that, lol

[Grasshopper]

if only you really believed this, how sane you would be, dt

As a Christian I couldn't support carpet bombing for real. Dude...this world isn't my home and Jesus ain't gonna let anything happen that doesn't pass his desk first.

I don't see how war is consistant with the Christian ethos. One is either a Kingdom minded Christian or a nationalist worldling.

[Ferd]

Our actions in Iraq have made the situation in Iran even more threatening (I don't have time to get into the whole Sunni Shiite thing again, but you must have a fundamental understanding of all the sectarian dynamics in that region).
I'm saying that if we get to a place that tough diplomacy as an alternative or even a prelude to war is outrageous, we are in a dangerous place.

I fully understand the Sunni/Shiite dynamic and can give you the battles and dates they were fought a thousand years ago that caused it if you like.

and I am saying that tough deplomacy is t aking place NOW and what Obama is offering is the opposite.

[Ferd]

I think diplomacy should be used to stall 'em before we carpet bomb 'em. hehehe

"Cogito, ergo sum" you defy it.

[Ferd]

Ferd, you can't have it both ways. You can't scour Obama's past to demonstrate bad judgement because of who he associates with...but then when discussing bad judgements based specifically on bad judgements made say what got us here doesn't matter.

ahh, but I dont want it both ways.

Obamas past is prelude to an Obama presidency

George Bush's past is NOT prelude to John McCains future!


but John McCains past IS!

[tstew]

I fully understand the Sunni/Shiite dynamic and can give you the battles and dates they were fought a thousand years ago that caused it if you like.

and I am saying that tough deplomacy is t aking place NOW and what Obama is offering is the opposite.

Well then I pray this tough diplomacy (I don't understand how it's diplomacy if we refuse to talk at all), but either way I pray that it works because that region is more unstable and dangerous than it has been in a while.

[Grasshopper]

"Cogito, ergo sum" you defy it.

Ferd if you're not willing to speak English go home! :lol

[DividedThigh]

who died and made you the teacher grass, go home, lol

[tstew]

ahh, but I dont want it both ways.

Obamas past is prelude to an Obama presidency

George Bush's past is NOT prelude to John McCains future!


but John McCains past IS!

Yes but in every criticism you have of Obama you include something about him wanting to lose the war, as if his position on Iraq is bad judgement, while the position of Mccain and others who supported it is good judgement.
And yes, in many areas (including Iraq) Bush's past is a prelude to Mccain's future.

[Grasshopper]

who died and made you the teacher grass, go home, lol

Ferd should speak English, this is America. If he doesn't like it he should go home.

[Grasshopper]

Obama is Amabo backwards!

[DividedThigh]

you really are funny today grass, that is a good side of your whatever you call yourself, lol

[Mr. Steinway]

Obama is Amabo backwards!
Barack backwards is kcARAB!! I knew it! I knew he somehow was an Arab!!!!:toofunny

[DividedThigh]

Barack backwards is kcARAB!! I knew it! I knew he somehow was an Arab!!!!:toofunny

oh my piano man i thought you were cussin , lol, thank god you werent, that is funny, dt

[tstew]

Barack backwards is kcARAB!! I knew it! I knew he somehow was an Arab!!!!:toofunny

Wait a minue, you may be onto something. Maybe this will make national news.

[Grasshopper]

Barack backwards is kcARAB!! I knew it! I knew he somehow was an Arab!!!!:toofunny

Awwwww c'mon now lass. E'ry body knows d' lad is Irish. Vote for O'Bama 2008.

[Grasshopper]

Wait a minue, you may be onto something. Maybe this will make national news.

No, but it might make Sean Hannity. Bless the lad.

[Ferd]

Yes but in every criticism you have of Obama you include something about him wanting to lose the war, as if his position on Iraq is bad judgement, while the position of Mccain and others who supported it is good judgement.
And yes, in many areas (including Iraq) Bush's past is a prelude to Mccain's future.
well, to begin with, I think Obama was using bad judgement at the first because being in Iraq when we went in was right based on the evidence that
America
Brittian
France
Germany
Russia
Italy
Spain
Israel

all agreed on at the time.

AND I dont care who you are, any time someone advocates losing a war as a matter of policy I think it is bad judgement.

ergo....

John McCain agrees with me. or is it that I agree with him?

in any case McCains judgement has ALREADY proven to be correct.

[Grasshopper]

well, to begin with, I think Obama was using bad judgement at the first because being in Iraq when we went in was right based on the evidence that
America
Brittian
France
Germany
Russia
Italy
Spain
Israel

all agreed on at the time.

AND I dont care who you are, any time someone advocates losing a war as a matter of policy I think it is bad judgement.

ergo....

John McCain agrees with me. or is it that I agree with him?

in any case McCains judgement has ALREADY proven to be correct.

McCain
Over 80,000 bombed

[Grasshopper]

McCain
I'm bombin' it!

[DividedThigh]

is that just from vietnam or is he getting credit for more bombin

[1Corinth2v4]

http://www.maxitees.com/store/images/uploads/obama1.jpg

[Grasshopper]

McCain's
You deserve a tax-break today

[tstew]

well, to begin with, I think Obama was using bad judgement at the first because being in Iraq when we went in was right based on the evidence that
America
Brittian
France
Germany
Russia
Italy
Spain
Israel

all agreed on at the time.

AND I dont care who you are, any time someone advocates losing a war as a matter of policy I think it is bad judgement.

ergo....

John McCain agrees with me. or is it that I agree with him?

in any case McCains judgement has ALREADY proven to be correct.

Ferd, I've gotta run, but let me just say that the administration developed a reputation for shutting out all the people who did not agree with their judgement, assesments, and intel. Even people as respected and visible as Colin Powell had their dissenting opinions shunned. I am not convinced that this was the right thing to do and that everyone was on board. You just had an administration that bulldozed itself into what they thought was a good move.
As far as losing a war as a matter of policy, I really believe that we that we have been fighting an unwinnable war as a part of policy.

[Grasshopper]

McCain’s
Try our new conservatively wrapped, liberally stuffed McRiddle!

[Mr. Steinway]

I don't know what to think about all you "barack"sliders! Y'all need to repent! :)

[tstew]

I don't know what to think about all you "barack"sliders! Y'all need to repent! :)

You're on a roll...If I wasn't above it I would say something about McCain and Abel. :)

[Grasshopper]

McCain’s
It’s a good time, for the great taste, of Obama.

[DividedThigh]

you funny piano man, you not funny grass, have a nice day, dt

[Praxeas]

The voices have assured me that I'm perfectly sane.
One never knows which personality is going to show up, but by now everyone knows which original nick they all belong to....

[Praxeas]

BTW I hear hormone replacement therapy has promises....

[1Corinth2v4]

BTW I hear hormone replacement therapy has promises....

Are you contemplating becoming a female?

[Ferd]

Ferd, I've gotta run, but let me just say that the administration developed a reputation for shutting out all the people who did not agree with their judgement, assesments, and intel. Even people as respected and visible as Colin Powell had their dissenting opinions shunned. I am not convinced that this was the right thing to do and that everyone was on board. You just had an administration that bulldozed itself into what they thought was a good move.
As far as losing a war as a matter of policy, I really believe that we that we have been fighting an unwinnable war as a part of policy.

Jackson didnt really take to the opposition view. neither did FDR.

as far as that is concerned LBJ wasnt exactly friendly with those who opposed him.

William Jefferson Clinton didnt exactly change his mind and chart a new course when someone opposed him... in fact he set out to crush them and distroy their reputations. kind of a Sun Su approach if memory serves.

why is it that GWB is seen as some kind of meglamanic for acting in a way that keeps those who agree with him in power and sidelines the decent?

I dont get that execpt is makes for good political fodder for the democrats.

I never said everyone was on board but I am saying that the intel of every nation I listed agreed that Iran had WMDs it appears that everyone was wrong.

The fact is, George Bush isnt running for president. if he were his judgement would be up for debate and past performance would be the thing we would need to review.

John McCain is running and we are already IN Iraq.

so debating wheither or not we should have gotten into Iraq is a debate that is 4 years too late.

what matters now is that we are there, one man has provided a path to victory and we have seen progress in that direction based on his recomendation.
the other man advocates capitulation.

I dont like losers..... at least not the ones who like losing and who commit to losing as a matter of foreign policy.

[Praxeas]

Praxeas, regarding gay marriage.


Obama: Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. In an interview with the Chicago Daily Tribune, Obama said, "I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."




McCain: Republican John McCain says same-sex couples should be allowed to enter into legal agreements for insurance and other purposes, but he opposes gay marriage and believes in "the unique status of marriage between and man and a woman."
Im well aware both said those words. Im also well aware they will say just about anything to get a vote. Of the two parties most likely to support Gay marriages it is the DEMOCRATS that would support it.

[Praxeas]

Are you contemplating becoming a female?
No I was suggesting this for those here with MPD and schizophrenia TIC

[Mr. Steinway]

McCain’s
It’s a good time, for the great taste, of Obama.
Tastes great......but less filling!

[Grasshopper]

I dedicate this song to Hillary Clinton...

"Although we've come, to the end, of, the road. Still I cant, let, go. It's unnatural, you belong to me. I belong to you."

[1Corinth2v4]

The fact is, George Bush isnt running for president. if he were his judgement would be up for debate and past performance would be the thing we would need to review.

John McCain is running and we are already IN Iraq.

so debating whether or not we should have gotten into Iraq is a debate that is 4 years too late.

what matters now is that we are there, one man has provided a path to victory and we have seen progress in that direction based on his recomendation.
the other man advocates capitulation.




HAHA

What victory has Bush provided this country?

His decision left children fatherless and motherless!

Where are the weapons of mass destruction?

This war was but a conquest to assassinate an opponent.

[1Corinth2v4]

Im well aware both said those words. Im also well aware they will say just about anything to get a vote. Of the two parties most likely to support Gay marriages it is the DEMOCRATS that would support it.

Assumptions

[Cindy]

I bet you werent friends with any known terrorists either!

No, this was in the late 60's early 70's. Bomb threats and the like were very popular against the government then.

[Grasshopper]

Tastes great......but less filling!

:toofunny

[Praxeas]

Assumptions
Why not read about the Gay Agenda and the Democrats on google?

I found this article with the quote below
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0807/5210.html
Supporters of gay rights see a dramatic shift in their relationship to the party, a move from being a controversial minority courted only in the primary toward being an integral part of the Democratic coalition.

"We've moved from being just an issue to being a broader constituency," said Fred Hochberg, a gay activist and former Clinton appointee who backs Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.). "We've moved from (candidates saying), 'All right, I've got to handle this issue,' to (being) a community whose interests are part of a broader fabric of America."

"It's the American people and these candidates being in a more enlightened place on (gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender) issues. And it's an emboldened view that the electorate is not going to let this field stray away from what really matters to the American people."
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By and Large most gays support the Democratic party.

[Ferd]

HAHA

What victory has Bush provided this country?

His decision left children fatherless and motherless!

Where are the weapons of mass destruction?

This war was but a conquest to assassinate an opponent.

You never answered the question. do you think like Obama?

while most war is a conquest to assassintae an opponent, it doesnt really matter one bit. In fact I never suggested that Bush provided this country with any victory. your comprehension skills appear to be equal to my spelling skills.....(sorry that was a cheep shot)

But since we are on the subject, G-Dub saved us from the envirofreak and the fake "gingish kahn" (spelling like John Kerry talks)

so there you have it. G-Dub gave us 2 very solid victories! Go Dub!

[Cindy]

I ain't votin for none of y'all!

[Cindy]

I turned 18 the year the voting age in this country was lowered to 18. I have not fully recovered from voting for Nixon.

[1Corinth2v4]

Why not read about the Gay Agenda and the Democrats on google?

I found this article with the quote below
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0807/5210.html
Supporters of gay rights see a dramatic shift in their relationship to the party, a move from being a controversial minority courted only in the primary toward being an integral part of the Democratic coalition.

"We've moved from being just an issue to being a broader constituency," said Fred Hochberg, a gay activist and former Clinton appointee who backs Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.). "We've moved from (candidates saying), 'All right, I've got to handle this issue,' to (being) a community whose interests are part of a broader fabric of America."

"It's the American people and these candidates being in a more enlightened place on (gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender) issues. And it's an emboldened view that the electorate is not going to let this field stray away from what really matters to the American people."
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By and Large most gays support the Democratic party.

Why not read about the Gay Agenda and the Republicans on google?

[Grasshopper]

You never answered the question. do you think like Obama?

while most war is a conquest to assassintae an opponent, it doesnt really matter one bit. In fact I never suggested that Bush provided this country with any victory. your comprehension skills appear to be equal to my spelling skills.....(sorry that was a cheep shot)

But since we are on the subject, G-Dub saved us from the envirofreak and the fake "gingish kahn" (spelling like John Kerry talks)

so there you have it. G-Dub gave us 2 very solid victories! Go Dub!

Ferd's bitter. :(

[Praxeas]

Why not read about the Gay Agenda and the Republicans on google?
I have. The Gay agenda do not support Republicans. They are leery of Republicans especially since there is still such a large Christian Right presence. There are small number of gays that support republican party but this is do to fiscal reasons (I have talked to gays that support the republican party for this reason), not because Republicans are sympathetic to the radical left Gay Lesbian Transgender groups