View Full Version : The New Obama
DividedThigh
06-10-2008, 08:47 AM
the pundits are saying it and he is doing it, swingin to the center, ala Bill Clinton , very soon after vanquishing Hilary for the nomination, I even heard him say with my own ears this mornin that he is a free trader, this has to be disappointing to the Obama crowd, hmmm, interesting, dt
Which proves that his advisor was right that a few months back told some business group that Obama's anti NAFTA rhetoric was just campaign talk and he didn't mean it.
He will probably try to nuance it that he is a "free trader" "but with restrictions" or some other sort of Democrat doubletalk.
DividedThigh
06-10-2008, 09:28 AM
oh cc1 but he is a different breed of politician, yeah right, lol, funny that it didnt take long for the true colors to come out, lol
OnTheFritz
06-10-2008, 09:40 AM
Let's face it. It doesn't really matter what he does at this point, right? Ah - he's leaning more liberal. Now he's leaning more towards the middle. He's catering to the democrats that got him the nomination. But wait, now he's trying to get the Republican vote. Blah Blah Blah. I think we should just have a standing thread titled:
Can you believe Obama is doing [insert anything here]?!! It's the absolute WORST thing he could possibly do!!! Our country is doomed! We're all going to die!!
It sure would save some time. :drama
:bliss
chosenbyone
06-10-2008, 09:46 AM
In all fairness, McCain has portrayed himself as a conservative in order to sway the right to vote for him. Obama has been advised to embrass a more central message in order to sway independents and some republicans to vote for him. There really wasn't any difference between the two.
At the end of the day, politicians are in it to win and they will do whatever it takes to be the victor!
MrsMcD
06-10-2008, 09:59 AM
In all fairness, McCain has portrayed himself as a conservative in order to sway the right to vote for him. Obama has been advised to embrass a more central message in order to sway independents and some republicans to vote for him. There really wasn't any difference between the two.
At the end of the day, politicians are in it to win and they will do whatever it takes to be the victor!
True and very scary!
DividedThigh
06-10-2008, 10:00 AM
no one ever said that politicians dont frame themselves in order to garner support, but Obama claimed to be different, i dont think so, that is my point, dt
nathan_slatter
06-10-2008, 12:18 PM
I think that Obama and McCain should run together -- we're gonna get the same stuff no matter which wins, so let's give it to both of them, they can co-rule the empire.
Baron1710
06-10-2008, 12:20 PM
I think that Obama and McCain should run together -- we're gonna get the same stuff no matter which wins, so let's give it to both of them, they can co-rule the empire.
And I will appoint the judges for them.
DividedThigh
06-10-2008, 12:24 PM
And I will appoint the judges for them.
i would actually vote for that ticket if you can get that stipulation, baron, lol
nathan_slatter
06-10-2008, 12:27 PM
i would actually vote for that ticket if you can get that stipulation, baron, lol
Me too
Cindy
06-10-2008, 12:29 PM
In all fairness, McCain has portrayed himself as a conservative in order to sway the right to vote for him. Obama has been advised to embrass a more central message in order to sway independents and some republicans to vote for him. There really wasn't any difference between the two.
At the end of the day, politicians are in it to win and they will do whatever it takes to be the victor!
Hey CB1 I got a card in the mail today from Governor Perry, inviting me to Houston. Ain't that a hoot?......:toofunny
Cindy
06-10-2008, 12:30 PM
And I will appoint the judges for them.
Okay Bubba, who ya gonna appoint?
DividedThigh
06-10-2008, 12:34 PM
conservative , strict constructionists, only, right baron, dt
I think that Obama and McCain should run together -- we're gonna get the same stuff no matter which wins, so let's give it to both of them, they can co-rule the empire.
You are dead wrong here. As much as I dislike McCain you are getting the difference between electing a moderate Democrat (McCain) and a far left wing liberal Democrat (Obama).
Plenty of difference there, just not as much as I would like.
When you think appoiniting Federal judges with McCain you at least have a shot of getting a strict constructionist or moderate. With Obama you are going to get a flaming Ginsberg style liberal.
Baron1710
06-10-2008, 01:54 PM
Okay Bubba, who ya gonna appoint?
Janice Rogers Brown
1Corinth2v4
06-10-2008, 01:54 PM
Vote Obama!
DividedThigh
06-10-2008, 01:55 PM
i agree cc1, especially since we both know they aint runnin togethere with a stip for conservative judges, lol,dt
DividedThigh
06-10-2008, 01:56 PM
how bout no bama, lol
nathan_slatter
06-10-2008, 03:02 PM
You are dead wrong here. As much as I dislike McCain you are getting the difference between electing a moderate Democrat (McCain) and a far left wing liberal Democrat (Obama).
Plenty of difference there, just not as much as I would like.
When you think appoiniting Federal judges with McCain you at least have a shot of getting a strict constructionist or moderate. With Obama you are going to get a flaming Ginsberg style liberal.
Democrat is democrat -- I'll vote for neither of them... and like we're doing so wonderful with the ones that this administration has appointed who are stipping away all our rights altogether. And you have struck on the problem -- instead of leaving the constitution alone they want to create policies for their appointees. Which is indicative of the same coin with two sides. They seem so very different but are so very much the same -- they both want their own power and own policies pushed forward.
You've socialism with Obama and a crazy old man with McCain. Then Bush has done nothing less than appoint folks (as well as push through some of the most egregious legislation -- ever) that have set the civil rights of the American people back decades.
I'm not wrong -- they are the same. They are a representative duplicity of personas -- a single entity with two different masks that keep the american people dumbed down and incapable of voting for people who may actually make a difference. And the MSM is complicit in this, along with the Church, and a whole host of other entities with their incapability to see past "loosing to the [place most hated political party/single issue here]".
All of these should be speaking truth to the powerful but all a politician has to do to get the Christian vote is scream abortion and suddenly all manner of junk is overlooked because those daggum democrats want to kill us all -- and the MSM is no different. Try screaming "Global Warming" or "Universal Healthcare" and see how much of a change that makes in a Democrat politicians corner.
Singular topics and issues that hide the other junk that is about as anti-american as you can get. It's slight of hand plain and simple. "Watch this hand! See it! See it!" while the other hand is slipping our rights right into the garbage. Someone begins noticing and suddenly "Abortion! Global Warming! Safety from terrorism! Iran is going to bomb us with their non-existent air force, wooden coast guard battleships, and complete archaic military technology! Britney is pregnant again! Brad and Angelina are having problems!" is yelled and the attention is directed back to the issues that "they" want us to look at.
A citizen who votes for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil...
But I digress...
OnTheFritz
06-10-2008, 03:06 PM
Democrat is democrat -- I'll vote for neither of them... and like we're doing so wonderful with the ones that this administration has appointed who are stipping away all our rights altogether. And you have struck on the problem -- instead of leaving the constitution alone they want to create policies for their appointees. Which is indicative of the same coin with two sides. They seem so very different but are so very much the same -- they both want their own power and own policies pushed forward.
You've socialism with Obama and a crazy old man with McCain. Then Bush has done nothing less than appoint folks (as well as push through some of the most egregious legislation -- ever) that have set the civil rights of the American people back decades.
I'm not wrong -- they are the same. They are a representative duplicity of personas -- a single entity with two different masks that keep the american people dumbed down and incapable of voting for people who may actually make a difference. And the MSM is complicit in this, along with the Church, and a whole host of other entities with their incapability to see past "loosing to the [place most hated political party/single issue here]".
All of these should be speaking truth to the powerful but all a politician has to do to get the Christian vote is scream abortion and suddenly all manner of junk is overlooked because those daggum democrats want to kill us all -- and the MSM is no different. Try screaming "Global Warming" or "Universal Healthcare" and see how much of a change that makes in a Democrat politicians corner.
Singular topics and issues that hide the other junk that is about as anti-american as you can get. It's slight of hand plain and simple. "Watch this hand! See it! See it!" while the other hand is slipping our rights right into the garbage. Someone begins noticing and suddenly "Abortion! Global Warming! Safety from terrorism! Iran is going to bomb us with their non-existent air force, wooden coast guard battleships, and complete archaic military technology!" is yelled and the attention is directed back to the issues that "they" want us to look at.
A citizen who votes for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil...
But I digress...
Well said.
nathan_slatter
06-10-2008, 03:19 PM
Well said.
**bows**
Thank you -- occasionally I like to sit on the high horse. :D
Well said.
But utterly wrong.
Vote Obama!
And Hasten the Return of the Lord!
how bout pro bama, lol
There we go. I fixed it for you! :D
Democrat is democrat -- I'll vote for neither of them... and like we're doing so wonderful with the ones that this administration has appointed who are stipping away all our rights altogether. And you have struck on the problem -- instead of leaving the constitution alone they want to create policies for their appointees. Which is indicative of the same coin with two sides. They seem so very different but are so very much the same -- they both want their own power and own policies pushed forward.
You've socialism with Obama and a crazy old man with McCain. Then Bush has done nothing less than appoint folks (as well as push through some of the most egregious legislation -- ever) that have set the civil rights of the American people back decades.
I'm not wrong -- they are the same. They are a representative duplicity of personas -- a single entity with two different masks that keep the american people dumbed down and incapable of voting for people who may actually make a difference. And the MSM is complicit in this, along with the Church, and a whole host of other entities with their incapability to see past "loosing to the [place most hated political party/single issue here]".
All of these should be speaking truth to the powerful but all a politician has to do to get the Christian vote is scream abortion and suddenly all manner of junk is overlooked because those daggum democrats want to kill us all -- and the MSM is no different. Try screaming "Global Warming" or "Universal Healthcare" and see how much of a change that makes in a Democrat politicians corner.
Singular topics and issues that hide the other junk that is about as anti-american as you can get. It's slight of hand plain and simple. "Watch this hand! See it! See it!" while the other hand is slipping our rights right into the garbage. Someone begins noticing and suddenly "Abortion! Global Warming! Safety from terrorism! Iran is going to bomb us with their non-existent air force, wooden coast guard battleships, and complete archaic military technology! Britney is pregnant again! Brad and Angelina are having problems!" is yelled and the attention is directed back to the issues that "they" want us to look at.
A citizen who votes for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil...
But I digress...
This is a good post!!
nathan_slatter
06-10-2008, 05:17 PM
But utterly wrong.
Whatever allows you to sleep better at night.
chosenbyone
06-10-2008, 05:18 PM
Democrat is democrat -- I'll vote for neither of them... and like we're doing so wonderful with the ones that this administration has appointed who are stipping away all our rights altogether. And you have struck on the problem -- instead of leaving the constitution alone they want to create policies for their appointees. Which is indicative of the same coin with two sides. They seem so very different but are so very much the same -- they both want their own power and own policies pushed forward.
You've socialism with Obama and a crazy old man with McCain. Then Bush has done nothing less than appoint folks (as well as push through some of the most egregious legislation -- ever) that have set the civil rights of the American people back decades.
I'm not wrong -- they are the same. They are a representative duplicity of personas -- a single entity with two different masks that keep the american people dumbed down and incapable of voting for people who may actually make a difference. And the MSM is complicit in this, along with the Church, and a whole host of other entities with their incapability to see past "loosing to the [place most hated political party/single issue here]".
All of these should be speaking truth to the powerful but all a politician has to do to get the Christian vote is scream abortion and suddenly all manner of junk is overlooked because those daggum democrats want to kill us all -- and the MSM is no different. Try screaming "Global Warming" or "Universal Healthcare" and see how much of a change that makes in a Democrat politicians corner.
Singular topics and issues that hide the other junk that is about as anti-american as you can get. It's slight of hand plain and simple. "Watch this hand! See it! See it!" while the other hand is slipping our rights right into the garbage. Someone begins noticing and suddenly "Abortion! Global Warming! Safety from terrorism! Iran is going to bomb us with their non-existent air force, wooden coast guard battleships, and complete archaic military technology! Britney is pregnant again! Brad and Angelina are having problems!" is yelled and the attention is directed back to the issues that "they" want us to look at.
A citizen who votes for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil...
But I digress...
This was by far the most insightful post I have read on any political thread on AFF. You pretty much hit the nail squarely on the head when you wrote how Americans have been manipulated into giving up their civil liberties by officials who have beat the drum of fear since 9/11.
We hear over and over about the liberal media, but what many haven't realized was that the media has been controlled by the Council of Foreign Relations for years. Many major media companies have merged until just a few men actually control all the news that our country has received for the last several years. It stopped being about liberals versus conservatives, but about conditioning society with deceptions and lies in order to push forward the One World Government agenda.
Many of those who have been blinded by the lies of our government and organizations like CFR will have a rude awakening sooner rather than later, IMO!
chosenbyone
06-10-2008, 05:23 PM
no one ever said that politicians dont frame themselves in order to garner support, but Obama claimed to be different, i dont think so, that is my point, dt
DT,
You know good and well that you never bought into the claim that Obama was a "different" politician! Now, you and I get to kick back and see how many times McCain and Obama changes their stripes to suit the latest polls.
McCain seems to be leading in the amount of flip-flops so far this year, but it's still early!
CB1
chosenbyone
06-10-2008, 05:24 PM
Hey CB1 I got a card in the mail today from Governor Perry, inviting me to Houston. Ain't that a hoot?......:toofunny
Weren't you the one who wrote that you didn't like Rick?
Aquila
06-10-2008, 05:45 PM
Politics from the Right = Lean to the right to get the nomination, lean center to win the general election.
Politics from the Left = Lean to the left to get the nomination, lean center to win the general election.
Folks...those are the basics in politics.
Pressing-On
06-12-2008, 08:52 AM
Too funny!
Obama rejects the Bush my-way-or-the-highway "cowboy" foreign policy. Obama repeatedly said he wishes to meet with enemy/thug leaders without preconditions. But wait!
He now says only if he decides to meet in the first place. And if he decides -- to which he may not -- he'll do so without preconditions. And if he decides not to, his decision will have been made without preconditions, unless, of course, he decides to meet after all -- but only without preconditions. And if he decides not to meet, he'll make that decision without any preconditions, just as he would make the decision to meet without the precondition of no preconditions. But if he decides to meet, without preconditions, he'll do so solely when, where and if he decides to -- without preconditions.
That's change.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/LarryElder/2008/06/12/warming_up_to_obamas_message_of_hope_and_change
DividedThigh
06-12-2008, 08:55 AM
Too funny!
yeah that is some real change, not, lol
Which proves that his advisor was right that a few months back told some business group that Obama's anti NAFTA rhetoric was just campaign talk and he didn't mean it.
He will probably try to nuance it that he is a "free trader" "but with restrictions" or some other sort of Democrat doubletalk.
This is EXACTLY what is taking place. As one person said the other day to me, other countries are free to trade with us, just under different terms! LOL!
Obama is for creating tarriffs but still for "free trade"
It's like the dems this week trying to raise the price of gas (taxing oil companies) for the purpose of lowering the price of gas.
its insanity.
DividedThigh
06-12-2008, 09:00 AM
definition of insanity, doing the same things and expecting a different result, lol
Politics from the Right = Lean to the right to get the nomination, lean center to win the general election.
Politics from the Left = Lean to the left to get the nomination, lean center to win the general election.
Folks...those are the basics in politics.
Please provide an example of John McCain doing this?
George Bush doing this.
George H. W. Bush doing this
Ronald Reagan doing this.
its one thing to play to the crowd about things like who you will appoint as judges and defense of marriage amendments then in the general speak to more moderate issues.
it is vastly different to say you will trash NAFTA during the primary, then say you wont trash NAFTA in the General.
the first is highlighting the things that win your party, (but you still do those things when elected), the second is telling a balled faced lie.
But liberals seem to like liars.
definition of insanity, doing the same things and expecting a different result, lol
which goes to something I said the other day about not trusting those that think like Obama... and was taken to task for saying it.....
Obama's idea of "change" is change back to policy that has failed before, because he believes it will work!
DividedThigh
06-12-2008, 09:05 AM
welcome to jimma carta II, good grief, failed policies rampant inflation, and 20 percent interest rates, yikes
Did you guys catch McCain's comments about it being "not too important" to get our troops out of Iraq?
Pressing-On
06-12-2008, 09:12 AM
Did you guys catch McCain's comments about it being "not too important" to get our troops out of Iraq?
You didn't add the rest, Rico. He said in light of casualties. He said that we have troops in Japan, etc. and it would, if we DON'T have casualties, not be important to quickly remove them.
You are distorting like a CNN reporter, boy!!! :toofunny
DividedThigh
06-12-2008, 09:19 AM
yeah rico, what is up, sound bites now for your boy, lol, just kidding, dt
welcome to jimma carta II, good grief, failed policies rampant inflation, and 20 percent interest rates, yikes
well, JC2 yes but a bit more. i will explain.
Obama has articulated several very clear policies.
1. get protect American business by raising tarriffs.
2. raise taxes on the wealtiest Americans
3. deal with rising oil prices by raising taxes on oil companies
4. have unconditional talks with our enemies.
Points one and two were frist offerd as policy by HERBERT HOOVER in the wake of the 1929 stock market crash. taxes were raised on the rich and the Smoot Hauley Act was adovcated by Hoover, it passed and he signed it. This act was a protectionist tarriff on imports to America.
(these were major contributors to the great depression)
point 3 was first tried by Jimmy Carter and it led to the Oil Crisis of the 1970's which was a major contributor to a ressession and at the same time out of control inflation. (we call it stagflation and it was the worst economic time for Americans since the great depression)
point 4 was tried by John F. Kennedy when he met with the Russians. That meeting led the Russians to beleive Kennedy was weak and incompitant and they put missiles in Cuba. We call this the Cuban Missile Crisis. it was one of the worst failures of the Cold War.
So the 4 major halmarks of the Obama Campaign are failed policies of the past that he has repackaged as "New" and they encompass his idea of "change"
So he is Herbert F. Carter 2!
Mr. Steinway
06-12-2008, 09:22 AM
well, JC2 yes but a bit more. i will explain.
Obama has articulated several very clear policies.
1. get protect American business by raising tarriffs.
2. raise taxes on the wealtiest Americans
3. deal with rising oil prices by raising taxes on oil companies
4. have unconditional talks with our enemies.
Points one and two were frist offerd as policy by HERBERT HOOVER in the wake of the 1929 stock market crash. taxes were raised on the rich and the Smoot Hauley Act was adovcated by Hoover, it passed and he signed it. This act was a protectionist tarriff on imports to America.
(these were major contributors to the great depression)
point 3 was first tried by Jimmy Carter and it led to the Oil Crisis of the 1970's which was a major contributor to a ressession and at the same time out of control inflation. (we call it stagflation and it was the worst economic time for Americans since the great depression)
point 4 was tried by John F. Kennedy when he met with the Russians. That meeting led the Russians to beleive Kennedy was weak and incompitant and they put missiles in Cuba. We call this the Cuban Missile Crisis. it was one of the worst failures of the Cold War.
So the 4 major halmarks of the Obama Campaign are failed policies of the past that he has repackaged as "New" and they encompass his idea of "change"
So he is Herbert F. Carter 2!
Jimrak O'Carter
Pressing-On
06-12-2008, 09:30 AM
well, JC2 yes but a bit more. i will explain.
Obama has articulated several very clear policies.
3. deal with rising oil prices by raising taxes on oil companies
point 3 was first tried by Jimmy Carter and it led to the Oil Crisis of the 1970's which was a major contributor to a ressession and at the same time out of control inflation. (we call it stagflation and it was the worst economic time for Americans since the great depression)
Ferd,
This is so against American Capitalism - It reeks!
DividedThigh
06-12-2008, 09:41 AM
Jimrak, i like that pianoman, and you are so right ferd, again, lol
Ferd,
This is so against American Capitalism - It reeks!
it should be noted that these anti-capitalists in the Senate, voted this week to PRIVITIZE (READ BE CAPITIALISTS) their resturant because when it was under their control it was a big time money loser!
so we know they KNOW Capitalism and free markets work.
the real question is, why do they run from free markets where oil prices are concerned?
DividedThigh
06-12-2008, 09:51 AM
because capitalism is bad unless they need better food, lol
yeah rico, what is up, sound bites now for your boy, lol, just kidding, dt
Actually, I heard the whole question and all of McCain's answer. Nice try, though. :)
Mr. Steinway
06-12-2008, 10:10 AM
Barack Obama = Big Brown
DividedThigh
06-12-2008, 10:17 AM
Barack Obama = Big Brown
loser, loser, loser:bliss
DividedThigh
06-12-2008, 10:18 AM
i would like to thank baron, for the pic, pianoman for the editing, and ferd for helping me get r done, for my new avatar, let freedom ring, dt
Mr. Steinway
06-12-2008, 10:21 AM
loser, loser, loser:bliss
All hype!!! Will fade when stress comes!
DividedThigh
06-12-2008, 10:22 AM
i sure hope you are right piano man, thanks
Baron1710
06-12-2008, 10:23 AM
i would like to thank baron, for the pic, pianoman for the editing, and ferd for helping me get r done, for my new avatar, let freedom ring, dt
In order to honor our Supreme Court who was wrong in their decision today about Gitmo detainees, I have chosen a new signature.
DividedThigh
06-12-2008, 10:27 AM
In order to honor our Supreme Court who was wrong in their decision today about Gitmo detainees, I have chosen a new signature.
i like that one, how good to honor a bunch of lib dummies, lol
Mr. Steinway
06-12-2008, 12:10 PM
How about these new images?
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r227/Steinwayman/Obama3.jpg
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r227/Steinwayman/Obama2.jpg
How about these new images?
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r227/Steinwayman/Obama3.jpg
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r227/Steinwayman/Obama2.jpg
got one with a picture of Barak over a hammer and sycle?
Mr. Steinway
06-12-2008, 01:13 PM
got one with a picture of Barak over a hammer and sycle?
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r227/Steinwayman/Obama4.jpg
clgustaveson
06-12-2008, 01:25 PM
His wife looks like a man
DividedThigh
06-12-2008, 01:26 PM
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r227/Steinwayman/Obama4.jpg
that is so cool, reminds me of that poster in his houston campaign office, lol
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r227/Steinwayman/Obama4.jpg
lol! we need to print t-shirts!
DividedThigh
06-12-2008, 01:55 PM
i will buy one, just get the info to me, how cool, obama was in my home town today, i needed a shirt like that to wear, lol
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