View Full Version : SHOCKER! Obama Joining Oneness Apostolic church?
StMark
06-15-2008, 12:57 AM
http://www.acog-chicago.org/
Is this a political move to win over the right???????
Braizer is very powerful politically and EXTREMELY WEALTHY!!!!
StMark
06-15-2008, 12:59 AM
BTW,
Braizer just dropped out of the PAW at the beginning of the year.
I believe his son took the church?? Braizer retired last month as pastor- he was 86 yrs old! wow!!!
I've seen him in person though- he looked 50
This church is considered the largest oneness church in nation
Hoovie
06-15-2008, 01:01 AM
Who says he is joining?
OneAccord
06-15-2008, 06:23 AM
Who says he is joining?
What? You dare question THE Source? Everyone knows you just don't question THE Source. THE Source knows all and tells all.
Esther
06-15-2008, 07:00 AM
http://www.acog-chicago.org/
Is this a political move to win over the right???????
Braizer is very powerful politically and EXTREMELY WEALTHY!!!!
Mark I don't see anything on this site that says anything about Obama???
http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/1006820,CST-NWS-sweet15.article
Interesting turn of events ... I dare say.
So if he is re-baptized ... is he saved?
And will CC1 vote for him?
If he does join this church ... and the media /detractors starting putting the church under scrutiny ... what will the anti-Obama AFFers do ... attack an Apostolic ministry or temper their comments ?
rgcraig
06-15-2008, 07:13 AM
http://www.acog-chicago.org/
Is this a political move to win over the right???????
Braizer is very powerful politically and EXTREMELY WEALTHY!!!!
The article that Dan posted says "he has to work today", so I would assume he's killing two birds with one stone!
It appears he's only going there to preach ... I mean testify ... I mean talk.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a2gGIh_lvSZQ&refer=home
rgcraig
06-15-2008, 07:20 AM
It appears he's only going there to preach ... I mean testify ... I mean talk.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a2gGIh_lvSZQ&refer=home
....don't you mean campaign?
....don't you mean campaign?
But could be he's going to do so as an Apostolic.
:bliss
rgcraig
06-15-2008, 07:26 AM
But could be he's going to do so as an Apostolic.
:bliss
Perhaps his closed door meeting with TD Jakes persuaded him?
Bishop Brazier seems to be very politically active ... and perhaps is courting Obama to be a parishioner?
http://www.lisc-chicago.org/display.aspx?pointer=5548
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-pastors-obama-web-may03,0,321066.story
Bishop Arthur Brazier, pastor of the Apostolic Church of God, said the pastors felt they needed to let the public know the black church supports Obama.
"The black church was unfortunately brought into this, but the black church has nothing to do with this," Brazier said.
"This has to do with one man and the things that he said. We felt that we had to make a statement along those lines so that people do not feel that the black church was somehow injured by what's going on."
Brazier said many church members had expressed concern about the political impact of the Obama-Wright dispute. "Every African-American I know is concerned. . . . We are concerned that this controversy arose at a most crucial time," he said. "I don't want to crucify Rev. Wright, but his comments were unfortunate."
Bishop Horace Smith, senior pastor of Apostolic Faith Church, said several members of his congregation worried about how the controversy could harm Obama's campaign.
Smith said that if the focus remained on Wright, it could cost the Democratic Party (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/politics/parties-movements/democratic-party-ORGOV0000005.topic) the election.
"I see people every day struggling with health care and education. Do we really care what an ex-pastor said when we're going to choose the leader of the free world? Oh, please! We're not that stupid," Smith said. "And for us to continue to focus on this would be a monumental mistake."
From Chicago Tribune article of Pastors meeting to support Obama
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-pastors-obama-web-may03,0,321066.story
Horace Smith, PAW Presiding Bishop, is apparently supporting Obama.
About Smith (http://www.afcserv.org/site/html/about/pastor.htm)
http://www.afcserv.org/site/Images/about/FirstFamily50.jpg
If these men of God, Bishops Brazier and Smith, read the anti-Obama posts here at AFF surely they'd reconsider ... considering his nomination means the Lord is coming and no God believing Christian would ever vote for Obama.
Who will go preach the truth to the Apostolic black community that they are falling into apostasy as evident by their political choice?
The Apostolic Report was reporting this Oneness Apostolic support for Obama in May ....
http://theapostolicreport.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/black-apostolic-pastors-in-chicago-support-obama/
Sheesh ... Mark ... you are getting slow on the draw.
Esther
06-15-2008, 08:00 AM
Bishop Arthur Brazier, pastor of the Apostolic Church of God, said the pastors felt they needed to let the public know the black church supports Obama.
"The black church was unfortunately brought into this, but the black church has nothing to do with this," Brazier said.
"This has to do with one man and the things that he said. We felt that we had to make a statement along those lines so that people do not feel that the black church was somehow injured by what's going on."
Brazier said many church members had expressed concern about the political impact of the Obama-Wright dispute. "Every African-American I know is concerned. . . . We are concerned that this controversy arose at a most crucial time," he said. "I don't want to crucify Rev. Wright, but his comments were unfortunate."
Bishop Horace Smith, senior pastor of Apostolic Faith Church, said several members of his congregation worried about how the controversy could harm Obama's campaign.
Smith said that if the focus remained on Wright, it could cost the Democratic Party (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/politics/parties-movements/democratic-party-ORGOV0000005.topic) the election.
"I see people every day struggling with health care and education. Do we really care what an ex-pastor said when we're going to choose the leader of the free world? Oh, please! We're not that stupid," Smith said. "And for us to continue to focus on this would be a monumental mistake."
From Chicago Tribune article of Pastors meeting to support Obama
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-pastors-obama-web-may03,0,321066.story
The sad thing about this to me, is this is becoming a race election and NOT an issue election. According the statements you posted here sounds to me like they are supporting Obama because he is black, YET so many forget he is also white. Wonder why folks keep forgetting that?
The sad thing about this to me, is this is becoming a race election and NOT an issue election. According the statements you posted here sounds to me like they are supporting Obama because he is black, YET so many forget he is also white. Wonder why folks keep forgetting that?
Don't be sad ... (Sadness seems to be a very interesting AFF phenomena whenever Obama's name is mentioned).
Who says that's the only reason why they are supporting him ....
Smith said: I see people every day struggling with health care and educationPeople of all shades are struggling with this ... it appears that various issues are concerning these very learned men.
Let us mourn together - TIC.
Furthermore Esther these great men would have probably voted for the Democrat in this race regardless of color ... that's been the trend since FDR.
I posted this in another thread a few weeks ago in a discussion w/ PO:
Black males in America have been voting for white male Presidential candidates since 1868 w/ the passage of the 15th amendment ... although many were disenfranchised during Reconstruction they were subject to poll taxes, grandfather clauses and literacy tests ... they still ALL voted for a white candidate in the general election for the last 140 years ...
Black women along w/ all other women as a bloc have voted for a white male Anglo-Saxon Protestant President since the 1920's ...
Some of these candidates were "qualified" and some were peanut farmers from Georgia.
Now ... let's get to the nitty gritty ...
if black America who has gone though 250 years of being viewed as property ... stripped of their dignity and bred as animals were .... emancipated to win a war and then treated as second class citizens in this nation until 40-50 years ago ...while being lynched, spat upon, and humiliated .... when given the choice between two equally qualified candidates want to go w/ the black candidate because it would make inroads .... in a nation that still struggles w/ having people of color holding the highest offices in the land then ... hey ... more power to them ... I have no problem w/ making that a deciding factor ...
However ... black America will not (any time soon) and has not chosen the President of the United States .... ever ... as the decisive constituency!!!
It will be white America that will decide who will be the next President of the United States ... they are still the majority ... especially if we look at the constituents of the eligible voting electorate ...
Moreover, it will be white American females, like you, who will decide whether Obama is presidential or not ... they are the majority voice in the electorate.
Esther
06-15-2008, 08:12 AM
Don't be sad ... (Sadness seems to be a very interesting AFF phenomena whenever Obama's name is mentioned).
Who says that's the only reason why they are supporting him ....
Smith said: People of all shades are struggling with this ... it appears that various issues are concerning these very learned men.
Let us mourn together - TIC.
How about this?
"This has to do with one man and the things that he said. We felt that we had to make a statement along those lines so that people do not feel that the black church was somehow injured by what's going on."
How about this?
"This has to do with one man and the things that he said. We felt that we had to make a statement along those lines so that people do not feel that the black church was somehow injured by what's going on."
Absolutely true statement ... this statement has nothing to do w/ his support for Obama, which is his right, but genuine concern that the Trinity church fiasco has perhaps lumped all of the black church into one pile ...
It's very likely that prejudiced remarks against black churches in general have been birthed from this one man.
Black churches being the target of racism is not a new thing ... see church burnings of the last few decades.
Smith is obviously distancing the black church from this one man, Wright.
TRFrance
06-15-2008, 08:40 AM
Very misleading title for this thread.
There's nothing anywhere that says Obama is joining the church, only that he'll be going there to speak, and the church's pastor is an Obama supporter.
I'm tired of people putting misleading titles on threads to pull people in, then when we read it, there's nothing in the thread to support what the thread's title implies.
Cindy
06-15-2008, 11:56 AM
Very misleading title for this thread.
There's nothing anywhere that says Obama is joining the church, only that he'll be going there to speak, and the church's pastor is an Obama supporter.
I'm tired of people putting misleading titles on threads to pull people in, then when we read it, there's nothing in the thread to support what the thread's title implies.
:nod
OnTheFritz
06-15-2008, 12:14 PM
I guess I can proudly wear my Republicans for Voldemort (http://www.goats.com/store/rfv.html) shirt at church functions now... :happydance:happydance
GObama 2008
Jason Badejo
06-15-2008, 03:18 PM
He'd have to obey Acts 2:38 to get my vote-yes, with the initial evidence
Jason Badejo
06-15-2008, 03:21 PM
Now there's a headline: OBAMA RECIEVES HOLY GHOST, SPEAKS IN OTHER TONGUES
Of course, he would lose all of his supporters if he really did convert.
This is nothing more than a weak political move.
NOBAMA '08
He'd have to obey Acts 2:38 to get my vote-yes, with the initial evidence
Has the person you are planning on voting for obeyed Acts 2:38 with the initial evidence?
Jason Badejo
06-15-2008, 03:41 PM
Rico,
no, but neither is he HAMAS candidate of choice. I am highly skeptical of obama, too many muslim ties, depite his efforts to distance. Any politician will do anything to get in office, it's not like they are full of integrity. I can see Obama getting in office, nd then being very "friendly" towards muslims and satanic, whoops, islamic ideals.
As for McCain, I will vote for Him because he is the lesser of two evils, not because I think He is most qualified to run the country. In fact these are the worst 2 choices there has even been in my lifetime, what a shame that in a country of nearly 300 million that these are the two best we can do. Yuck! I don't think either is qualified.
My point was nothing short of Obama recieving the baptism of the Holy Ghost will get him my vote.
Where have you gone Ron Paul? A nation should be turning their eyes to you.
(ps-don't read to far into that last line, just a joke-we are in political trouble, and its going to get worse before it gets better, no matter who is the president in 2008,2012,2016-even so,come Lord Jesus)
Rico,
no, but neither is he HAMAS candidate of choice. I am highly skeptical of obama, too many muslim ties, depite his efforts to distance. Any politician will do anything to get in office, it's not like they are full of integrity. I can see Obama getting in office, nd then being very "friendly" towards muslims and satanic, whoops, islamic ideals.
As for McCain, I will vote for Him because he is the lesser of two evils, not because I think He is most qualified to run the country. In fact these are the worst 2 choices there has even been in my lifetime, what a shame that in a country of nearly 300 million that these are the two best we can do. Yuck! I don't think either is qualified.
My point was nothing short of Obama recieving the baptism of the Holy Ghost will get him my vote.
Where have you gone Ron Paul? A nation should be turning their eyes to you.
(ps-don't read to far into that last line, just a joke-we are in political trouble, and its going to get worse before it gets better, no matter who is the president in 2008,2012,2016-even so,come Lord Jesus)
Jason, I don't believe all the hype about Obama being a Muslim. He's as American as you or I and claims Christianity, not Islam.
Praxeas
06-15-2008, 04:23 PM
Horace Smith, PAW Presiding Bishop, is apparently supporting Obama.
About Smith (http://www.afcserv.org/site/html/about/pastor.htm)
http://www.afcserv.org/site/Images/about/FirstFamily50.jpg
Because Obama is black or because Obama is a Democrat or because Obama is just the best President for all America?
MissBrattified
06-15-2008, 04:27 PM
On a personal level, Obama's choice of church is interesting, but I don't choose who to vote for based on their stated religious persuasion or what church roster roll their name is printed on. Issues and character. That's the bottom line. Too bad we have two lame duck candidates. JM may or may not be the lesser of two evils; I have yet to decide, much to the shock of my husband.
Praxeas
06-15-2008, 04:30 PM
Rico,
no, but neither is he HAMAS candidate of choice. I am highly skeptical of obama, too many muslim ties, depite his efforts to distance. Any politician will do anything to get in office, it's not like they are full of integrity. I can see Obama getting in office, nd then being very "friendly" towards muslims and satanic, whoops, islamic ideals.
Ties? You mean like the ones Bush has with Arabs?
Any Politician will be friendly to Muslims.
bkstokes
06-15-2008, 04:34 PM
Has the person you are planning on voting for obeyed Acts 2:38 with the initial evidence?
Don't Church of Christ churches baptize in Jesus name?
MissBrattified
06-15-2008, 04:35 PM
Don't Church of Christ churches baptize in Jesus name?
Not unless they've made a very recent change.
OnenessWoman
06-15-2008, 04:38 PM
Jason, I don't believe all the hype about Obama being a Muslim. He's as American as you or I and claims Christianity, not Islam.
I don't really believe all the hype about him being muslim either. However, at the same time, I do not think him to be a patriot who has our nation's best interest at heart either.
Rico, you should have run for president. Then for the presidential theme song could have been the theme to Sanford & Son. I can just imagine you walking on the stage in full beard to the tune playing... :gaga You could stand next to one of the junker cars on the White House lawn while making your State of the Union speeches every year. You could then choose Chtatum for a fully bearded Presidential ticket.... It would have been glorious! :happydance
But now look at the choices you have left us with! :reaction:tissue
I don't really believe all the hype about him being muslim either. However, at the same time, I do not think him to be a patriot who has our nation's best interest at heart either.
Rico, you should have run for president. Then for the presidential theme song could have been the theme to Sanford & Son. I can just imagine you walking on the stage in full beard to the tune playing... :gaga You could stand next to one of the junker cars on the White House lawn while making your State of the Union speeches every year. You could then choose Chtatum for a fully bearded Presidential ticket.... It would have been glorious! :happydance
But now look at the choices you have left us with! :reaction:tissue
They couldn't handle me as President. :lol
Praxeas
06-15-2008, 05:16 PM
They couldn't handle me as President. :lol
Who would light up the Christmas Tree and roll easter eggs on the lawn? :bliss
OnenessWoman
06-15-2008, 05:23 PM
Who would light up the Christmas Tree and roll easter eggs on the lawn? :bliss
The Vice President!!
And the entire nation will have bumper stickers that read, "You Big Dummy!"
Here is the next State of the Union Address. I feel better now knowing that Obama and McCain will not be living at this lovely house...
chosenbyone
06-15-2008, 06:33 PM
Here is an article about what he spoke about at Apostolic Church of God:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25176204
StMark
06-15-2008, 06:37 PM
Mr. Hussein Obama needs to stop frontin' and
come clean about being a muslim puleze wake up people
Old Paths
06-15-2008, 06:43 PM
:(
I wouldn't vote for Barack Hussein Obama, even if I baptized him and I surely wouldn't turn my pulpit over to him.
:(
I wouldn't vote for Barack Hussein Obama, even if I baptized him and I surely wouldn't turn my pulpit over to him.
That's extreme ... why am I not surprised
:tissue
Let's cry together.
Very sad.
Old Paths
06-15-2008, 06:46 PM
That's extreme ... why am I not surprised
:tissue
Let's cry together.
Very sad.
Thanks.
I am extreme when it comes to my politic and my church.
(About like everyone else around here)
:D
StMark
06-15-2008, 06:48 PM
Dan, are you supporting BHO for president ?
Dan, are you supporting BHO for president ?
For sure.
I can't believe you perpetuate a falsehood that he's a closet muslim ... but why am I not surprised?
StMark
06-15-2008, 07:03 PM
For sure.
I can't believe you perpetuate a falsehood that he's a closet muslim ... but why am I not surprised?
His own brother says he's Muslim!!! check this out
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12918.htm
TRFrance
06-15-2008, 07:15 PM
His own brother says he's Muslim!!! check this out
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12918.htm
Well, in fairness...
1... His brother didn't say he IS a Muslim, but that he WAS (that is, that he grew up Muslim)
2... His brother (who is his half-brother) was not raised with Obama, so how would he really know about Barack's upbringing?...since they met for the first time in 1985, when BO was 24.
Well, in fairness...
1... His brother didn't say he IS a Muslim, but that he WAS (that is, that he grew up Muslim)
2... His brother (who is his half-brother) was not raised with Obama, so how would he really know about Barack's upbringing?...since they met for the first time in 1985, when BO was 24.
Does truth matter, Mark?
I love that phrase.
TRFrance
06-15-2008, 07:21 PM
Does truth matter, Mark?
I love that phrase.
Truth SHOULD matter... at all times.
If we find ourselves sweeping the truth under the rug just to make a point, that's not a good thing.
StMark
06-15-2008, 07:26 PM
Does truth matter, Mark?
I love that phrase.
Dan, whether you want to accept it or not, your Hussein Obama
is an undercover muslim. he joined a so called " christain" church
(trinty UCC) if you can hardly call it that ( some here probably do!)
for political reasons. the church itself is a political church.
politicians say and do things all the time to win points( both Dems
& Rep). He joined a christian church because he had to.
Dan, the chances that you're gonna get your man in office is
very likely. It's no surprise anymore. America is is spiritually
going to hell so fast I can't even keep up anymore. This is just
one more nail in the coffin IMO. the spirit of anti christ is
blinding a lot of people- and some of them that are embracing
the spirit of this age is shocking to me to say the least
Dan, whether you want to accept it or not, your Hussein Obama
is an undercover muslim. he joined a so called " christain" church
(trinty UCC) if you can hardly call it that ( some here probably do!)
for political reasons. the church itself is a political church.
politicians say and do things all the time to win points( both Dems
& Rep). He joined a christian church because he had to.
Dan, the chances that you're gonna get your man in office is
very likely. It's no surprise anymore. America is is spiritually
going to hell so fast I can't even keep up anymore. This is just
one more nail in the coffin IMO. the spirit of anti christ is
blinding a lot of people- and some of them that are embracing
the spirit of this age is shocking to me to say the least
Another Chicken Little post ...
it's posts like these that make Evangelical/Fundamentalist/Pentecostal/Charismatic freaky to some people.
Last I heard Ronald Reagan was the anti-christ.
Oh boy.
StMark
06-15-2008, 07:42 PM
so sad
so sad
This is becoming depressing .... AFF has a case of The Obama Blues.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
MissBrattified
06-15-2008, 08:27 PM
I don't support either candidate. I am a voter and a responsible citizen. It puts me in a terrible quandary.
Brother Price
06-15-2008, 08:29 PM
If you want change, then you do it!
I am voting Constitutionalist 100%! And, if enough of us vote 3rd party, the 3rd party could become the first party!
Don't believe the hype. Vote Constitutionalist!
Jason Badejo
06-15-2008, 08:37 PM
never heard of constitionalist, is that even on the ballot?
have an internet link?
Brother Price
06-15-2008, 08:39 PM
Sure...
http://www.cptexas.org/
http://www.constitutionparty.com/
StMark
06-15-2008, 08:49 PM
never heard of constitionalist, is that even on the ballot?
have an internet link?
they don't believe in paying Taxes Jason.
I have a friend who is deep into this. He and his wife
took me out to dinner to convince of joining the constitutional
party.
I
m surprised he isn't in jail for not paying Taxes but he's avoided
it so far.
Brother Price
06-15-2008, 09:02 PM
I am against the tax system, and do believe it is unconstitutional. However, I pay until such time as Washington decides to get right. When it says that the IRS is abolished, I'll quit paying then. Until then, I do pay, and pay dearly, but I also campaign against this fraud.
DanielR
06-15-2008, 10:45 PM
If you want change, then you do it!
I am voting Constitutionalist 100%! And, if enough of us vote 3rd party, the 3rd party could become the first party!
Don't believe the hype. Vote Constitutionalist!
No thanks, I'll just keep voting Libertarian.
Oneness Man
06-15-2008, 10:46 PM
Horace Smith, PAW Presiding Bishop, is apparently supporting Obama.
About Smith (http://www.afcserv.org/site/html/about/pastor.htm)
http://www.afcserv.org/site/Images/about/FirstFamily50.jpg
Well, I for one will not vote for the liberal baby killer(he supports abortion).
StMark
06-15-2008, 10:49 PM
Well, I for one will not vote for the liberal baby killer(he supports abortion).
NOT only Abortion BUT Partial birth abortion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OnTheFritz
06-15-2008, 10:55 PM
Dan, whether you want to accept it or not, your Hussein Obama
is an undercover muslim. he joined a so called " christain" church
(trinty UCC) if you can hardly call it that ( some here probably do!)
for political reasons. the church itself is a political church.
politicians say and do things all the time to win points( both Dems
& Rep). He joined a christian church because he had to.
Dan, the chances that you're gonna get your man in office is
very likely. It's no surprise anymore. America is is spiritually
going to hell so fast I can't even keep up anymore. This is just
one more nail in the coffin IMO. the spirit of anti christ is
blinding a lot of people- and some of them that are embracing
the spirit of this age is shocking to me to say the least
Mark, you sound like a really nice guy, and I don't mean to target your posts so much, but these comments are so alarmist that it makes it hard to take any of your other posts seriously. Do you have some sort of evidence that Obama is an undercover muslim, or is it just sensationalist propoganda on your part? It just seems like you are trying to stir the pot, and that it hasn't taken a lot of evidence to get you to jump on this bandwagon.
Michael The Disciple
06-15-2008, 10:57 PM
I do not believe the man is a Muslim. Neither do I believe he is a Christian. My interest in the article is mainly about the Bishop of this Apostolic Church.
Just recently Obama was asked what would be something it would take for him to leave a Church. One of his answers was "if they did NOT accept Gay marriage". Since Obama is SO strong on this issue what is that saying about this Apostolic Church?
Are we supposed to believe they dont know his stand on the issue? How could a Spirit baptized Christian support or vote for a man who is NOT HIDING THE FACT that Gay marriage is a very important priority to him?
Oneness Man
06-15-2008, 11:03 PM
NOT only Abortion BUT Partial birth abortion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, I know. Why would someone who calls themselves Apostolic vote for a liberal baby killer like Obama? Democrats are known for being liberal baby killers though.
StMark
06-15-2008, 11:05 PM
Mark, you sound like a really nice guy, and I don't mean to target your posts so much, but these comments are so alarmist that it makes it hard to take any of your other posts seriously. Do you have some sort of evidence that Obama is an undercover muslim, or is it just sensationalist propoganda on your part? It just seems like you are trying to stir the pot, and that it hasn't taken a lot of evidence to get you to jump on this bandwagon.
i don't believe obama is a muslim like the ones in the middle
east who wear robes and go to mosque but I believe that is his
Roots, his core beliefs and he's sympathic to them. I don't
believe he is a christian. that's for "show". Chicago is a churchin'
city and deep roots in the church so if you're a politician, you
have to do as the romans if you want to get elected. America
is still a Judeo Christian country(in name only) so of course he
has to keep his true beliefs VERY quiet. I can't explain on the
forum all the reasons I believe he is still a muslim at heart. I
would have to give names of people I'm close to here and
that would get me in trouble
Oneness Man
06-15-2008, 11:06 PM
I do not believe the man is a Muslim. Neither do I believe he is a Christian. My interest in the article is mainly about the Bishop of this Apostolic Church.
Just recently Obama was asked what would be something it would take for him to leave a Church. One of his answers was "if they did NOT accept Gay marriage". Since Obama is SO strong on this issue what is that saying about this Apostolic Church?
Are we supposed to believe they dont know his stand on the issue? How could a Spirit baptized Christian support or vote for a man who is NOT HIDING THE FACT that Gay marriage is a very important priority to him?
That's the way of the world and there will be Apostolics voting for him. There is also a gay apostolic church somewhere, but I don't remember where it is.
StMark
06-15-2008, 11:10 PM
That's the way of the world and there will be Apostolics voting for him. There is also a gay apostolic church somewhere, but I don't remember where it is.
In the years to come, you will see more and more churches
embracing this type of liberal ideology. I'm talking about
People/leaders who have holiness Pentecostal roots.
The Carlton Pearsons & Reba Rambos of the church will
become common.
I know a number people that use to be UPC who are
embracing universal doctrine now
Hoovie
06-15-2008, 11:15 PM
I know one thing.... Long, long before this election ever happens I will have to recuse myself from any conversations concerning Christians voting and supporting Obama. What i really want to say would do little to change their mindset and would be percieved as personal - because it would be...
OnTheFritz
06-15-2008, 11:15 PM
i don't believe obama is a muslim like the ones in the middle
east who wear robes and go to mosque but I believe that is his
Roots, his core beliefs and he's sympathic to them. I don't
believe he is a christian. that's for "show". Chicago is a churchin'
city and deep roots in the church so if you're a politician, you
have to do as the romans if you want to get elected. America
is still a Judeo Christian country(in name only) so of course he
has to keep his true beliefs VERY quiet. I can't explain on the
forum all the reasons I believe he is still a muslim at heart. I
would have to give names of people I'm close to here and
that would get me in trouble
Ok. But just so long as you realize that nearly ALL politicians are Christians "for show". They all want to get elected and know which buttons to push.
Also, I would just like to see some proof that he was EVER a practicing muslim. Any proof at all? I also don't understand why you would need to give names of people on this forum to provide convincing evidence.
Oneness Man
06-15-2008, 11:16 PM
In the years to come, you will see more and more churches
embracing this type of liberal ideology. I'm talking about
People/leaders who have holiness Pentecostal roots.
The Carlton Pearsons & Reba Rambos of the church will
become common.
I know a number people that use to be UPC who are
embracing universal doctrine now
That is so sad, but I guess they're leaving their first love, which is truth.
Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
OnTheFritz
06-15-2008, 11:20 PM
I know one thing.... Long, long before this election ever happens I will have to recuse myself from any conversations concerning Christians voting and supporting Obama. What i really want to say would do little to change their mindset and would be percieved as personal - because it would be...
I can understand that. Political discussions will get more and more heated.
StMark
06-15-2008, 11:25 PM
Ok. But just so long as you realize that nearly ALL politicians are Christians "for show". They all want to get elected and know which buttons to push.
Also, I would just like to see some proof that he was EVER a practicing muslim. Any proof at all? I also don't understand why you would need to give names of people on this forum to provide convincing evidence.
There have been numerous accounts, articles, interviews
we have discussed to the point of exaustion. All OBama does
is deny deny deny. the media is in full support of him because
he is not only a liberal but a RADICAL liberal. his church was
Radical. all his associations. you don't run with Wright and Farakan
for 20 years and come out smelling like a rose.
I heard an old country preacher say something years ago that
always stuck with me. He said "sometimes God will give you what
you want and beat the hell out of it with you " .
Well, I for one will not vote for the liberal baby killer(he supports abortion).
"I am FOR Roe v Wade". John McCain
"I am AGAINST Roe v Wade". John McCain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQU0TF18ZfI
StMark
06-15-2008, 11:27 PM
That is so sad, but I guess they're leaving their first love, which is truth.
Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
I know, and the church that Obama went to for 20 years
was universalist in their beliefs. All streams lead to God.
Wright openly said from his pulpit not to vote for anyone
who would take the woman's right away to have an abortion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeBw28tX5Nw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYsKiA3Myyw&feature=related
Will the real John "Slim Shady" McCain ... please stand up!!!
Oneness Man
06-15-2008, 11:37 PM
I know, and the church that Obama went to for 20 years
was universalist in their beliefs. All streams lead to God.
Wright openly said from his pulpit not to vote for anyone
who would take the woman's right away to have an abortion
Well, I guess he doesn't believe what the Bible says about it then. This is so sad.
Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Jer 22:3 Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand, of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood in this place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jul_Aia50Qo
Michael The Disciple
06-15-2008, 11:40 PM
And after Mccains pitiful performance on the ELLEN SHOW neither will he get my vote unless he repents.
But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
Cindy
06-15-2008, 11:41 PM
Have either of them chosen a VP running mate yet? That may be the only way JM can swing my vote.
Oneness Man
06-15-2008, 11:44 PM
But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
Danny Boy,
Do you believe in women getting abortions?
Danny Boy,
Do you believe in women getting abortions?
No I don't .... but if I have to choose between a leader who is decisive and principled and one who changes positions based on polls .... I'll take leader #1.
Which McCain are we getting if he's voted in ...the pro-abortion McCain or the Anti-abortion McCain ... the pro-gay marriage McCain or the anti-marriage McCain?
OnenessDude, He's a Clinton in Elephant Skin clothing ... you can have him ....
McCain doesn't have a position .... apparently on this issue or many others.
But of course this about THE TRUTH.
Does truth matter ... or only if it's articulated in a manner that's pleasing to the ear, Oneness man? McCain is a bold-faced deceiver ... and you speak of an apostasy if someone votes for Obama?
Let's stop trying to spiritualize politics ... please.
This stuff can be montaged ... twisted ... distorted to fit any of the candidates.
What we need is some intellectual honesty. ... Something we won't get from McCain who
graduated 894th out of a class of 899 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message494898/pg1)
StMark
06-15-2008, 11:55 PM
here's what I think( remember, just my thoughts) I think the Obama is being used as a cover for the white man. They are using him to make the masses think that there will be hope, that racism will be eradicated, that his being elected will benefit the middle class. Obama is realling selling out and he's letting them use him to give the masses a false hope.The middle class will not benefit at all in fact, the plan for the new world order is to emliminate the middle class. we will soon only have the rich and the poor. The old Dems were for the middle man. Now, they are ready to set up the new world order and the NWO wants everyone to be reliant on the government. ONe day in the future If a person has to get food stamps, they'll be forced to take a chip. That may sound obnoxious but remember 911??? if someone would have told us in the 1980s that the world trade center would end up being bombed we would we would have laughed at them.
here's what I think( remember, just my thoughts) I think the Obama is being used as a cover for the white man. They are using him to make the masses think that there will be hope, that racism will be eradicated, that his being elected will benefit the middle class. Obama is realling selling out and he's letting them use him to give the masses a false hope.The middle class will not benefit at all in fact, the plan for the new world order is to emliminate the middle class. we will soon only have the rich and the poor. The old Dems were for the middle man. Now, they are ready to set up the new world order and the NWO wants everyone to be reliant on the government. ONe day in the future If a person has to get food stamps, they'll be forced to take a chip. That may sound obnoxious but remember 911??? if someone would have told us in the 1980s that the world trade center would end up being bombed we would we would have laughed at them.
Dude you're worse than Rev. Wright ...
as long as these conspiracy theories dominate religious Christians trying to engage in the world of politics ... it marginalizes us as a whole.
Where's the HIV epidemic in all this, Mark?
Please to publicize this view ... it might be embarrassing ... oh wait ...
AmazingGrace
06-16-2008, 12:00 AM
Sad thing is Dan I dont see us getting any intellectual honesty out of any of them this time around :(
Oneness Man
06-16-2008, 12:21 AM
No I don't .... but if I have to choose between a leader who is decisive and principled and one who changes positions based on polls .... I'll take leader #1.
Which McCain are we getting if he's voted in ...the pro-abortion McCain or the Anti-abortion McCain ... the pro-gay marriage McCain or the anti-marriage McCain?
OnenessDude, He's a Clinton in Elephant Skin clothing ... you can have him ....
McCain doesn't have a position .... apparently on this issue or many others.
But of course this about THE TRUTH.
Well, I wouldn't vote for McCain either, but out of all the choices, he is the better choice.
Well, I wouldn't vote for McCain either, but out of all the choices, he is the better choice.
And we agree to disagree ... but to make this about conservative issues ... you and I espouse is dishonest when faced w/ these two candidates.
McCain is no real conservative and holds positions that are not necessarily those of the religious right ... if we even know what his real positions are.
It's dishonest to spiritualize this election as evident w/ the exchange between you and Mark in this thread when the two main candidates are not much different on issues we consider non-negotiables.
I'm voting this time around on who I believe will make for a better leader.
The last few presidents I've voted for haven't changed/affected Roe V. Wade ... nor do I envision it changing any time soon.
Oneness Man
06-16-2008, 12:38 AM
And we agree to disagree ... but to make this about conservative issues ... you and I espouse is dishonest when faced w/ these two candidates.
McCain is no real conservative and holds positions that are not necessarily those of the religious right ... if we even know what his real positions are.
It's dishonest to spiritualize this election as evident w/ the exchange between you and Mark in this thread when the two main candidates are not much different on issues we consider non-negotiables.
I'm voting this time around on who I believe will make for a better leader.
The last few presidents I've voted for haven't changed/affected Roe V. Wade ... nor do I envision it changing any time soon.
I wouldn't vote for a Democrat because they are liberal, baby killing, and homosexual loving bad people.
But since we're quoting Scripture ... and we're playing Bible Slayer
let's take another stab at McWaffle.
7For that man ought not to expect that he will receive anything from the Lord,
8being a (S (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=66#cen-NASB-30275S))double-minded man, (T (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=66#cen-NASB-30275T))unstable in all his ways.
I wouldn't vote for a Democrat because they are liberal, baby killing, and homosexual loving bad people.
I could see this is going nowhere quick ... :crazywalls
Oneness Man
06-16-2008, 12:42 AM
I could see this is going nowhere quick ... :crazywalls
Of course it isn't. So, you have decided on the homo loving, baby killing liberal that doesn't even like this country terrorist?
Of course it isn't. So, you have decided on the homo loving, baby killing liberal that doesn't even like this country terrorist?
This post is the result of in-breeding ... reader beware of cheap forum theatrics and troll infestation.
¿Como?
:coffee2
rrford
06-16-2008, 12:52 AM
I typically stay out of political discussions but let me repeat a comment from a Fox news commentator a couple of days ago concerning some Town Hall meetings between McCain and Obama, which thus far Obama has been difficult about:
(And I paraphrase) "It is interesting that Obama has more conditions to meet with John McCain than he does the Prime Minister of Iran."
Oneness Man
06-16-2008, 12:54 AM
This post is the result of in-breeding ... reader beware of cheap forum theatrics and troll infestation.
¿Como?
:coffee2
So, you're admiting that you're going to vote for the Muslim terrorist?
So, you're admiting that you're going to vote for the Muslim terrorist?
Haven't you heard the news, Mcfly???? ... Obama is an apostolic ... read thread title.
Oneness Man
06-16-2008, 12:56 AM
I typically stay out of political discussions but let me repeat a comment from a Fox news commentator a couple of days ago concerning some Town Hall meetings between McCain and Obama, which thus far Obama has been difficult about:
(And I paraphrase) "It is interesting that Obama has more conditions to meet with John McCain than he does the Prime Minister of Iran."
It doesn't make sense.
OnTheFritz
06-16-2008, 12:56 AM
I'm voting this time around on who I believe will make for a better leader.
The last few presidents I've voted for haven't changed/affected Roe V. Wade ... nor do I envision it changing any time soon.
I really want to say something here, and I am not arguing a side or a point with this post. I promise you that we all have the same goal in mind. We all want the message of Jesus Christ to reach as many people as possible. We want less sin and more God. We all want zero abortions - I promise you that.
I think we just differ in how we think that will most likely get accomplished. If I thought having a Republican in the White House would help make that happen, I would vote for one no matter what. But, I don't think that is the case, and if anything, I think having someone who poorly represents us is worse than having someone who doesn't even fly the evangelical flag at all.
Change will come through God's impact in individual lives - not through national policy. I want someone that I think is a good leader. It is a decision that I want to make based on the person, not on their get-me-elected platforms. I'm not saying that person is Obama - I know all the candidates have their flaws, as we all do, but I don't think McCain should be the default choice just because of the party he is affiliated with.
While I think a theocracy might create a more comfortable place for us Christians to live, it does not necessarily further the work of God, in my opinion.
Oneness Man
06-16-2008, 12:58 AM
Haven't you heard the news, Mcfly???? ... Obama is an apostolic ... read thread title.
Obama is no more Apostolic than he is the President of the United States.
I really want to say something here, and I am not arguing a side or a point with this post. I promise you that we all have the same goal in mind. We all want the message of Jesus Christ to reach as many people as possible. We want less sin and more God. We all want zero abortions - I promise you that.
I think we just differ in how we think that will most likely get accomplished. If I thought having a Republican in the White House would help make that happen, I would vote for one no matter what. But, I don't think that is the case, and if anything, I think having someone who poorly represents us is worse than having someone who doesn't even fly the evangelical flag at all.
Change will come through God's impact in individual lives - not through national policy. I want someone that I think is a good leader. It is a decision that I want to make based on the person, not on their get-me-elected platforms. I'm not saying that person is Obama - I know all the candidates have their flaws, as we all do, but I don't think McCain should be the default choice just because of the party he is affiliated with.
While I think a theocracy might create a more comfortable place for us Christians to live, it does not necessarily further the work of God, in my opinion.
Good points made ...
Cindy
06-16-2008, 01:00 AM
There are other choices besides McCain and Obama.
Oneness Man
06-16-2008, 01:01 AM
I really want to say something here, and I am not arguing a side or a point with this post. I promise you that we all have the same goal in mind. We all want the message of Jesus Christ to reach as many people as possible. We want less sin and more God. We all want zero abortions - I promise you that.
I think we just differ in how we think that will most likely get accomplished. If I thought having a Republican in the White House would help make that happen, I would vote for one no matter what. But, I don't think that is the case, and if anything, I think having someone who poorly represents us is worse than having someone who doesn't even fly the evangelical flag at all.
Change will come through God's impact in individual lives - not through national policy. I want someone that I think is a good leader. It is a decision that I want to make based on the person, not on their get-me-elected platforms. I'm not saying that person is Obama - I know all the candidates have their flaws, as we all do, but I don't think McCain should be the default choice just because of the party he is affiliated with.
While I think a theocracy might create a more comfortable place for us Christians to live, it does not necessarily further the work of God, in my opinion.
I would never vote for a Democrat because of all of their unrighteous ideas.
If ignorance was bliss, some of y'all around here would be slap happy.
Oneness Man
06-16-2008, 01:05 AM
There are other choices besides McCain and Obama.
McCain is the better choice to win the election. Anyone else would be a waste to vote for such as an Independent.
OnTheFritz
06-16-2008, 01:06 AM
Well, it is 2am here.... ;) So I'm sure that has something to do with it.
I would never vote for a Democrat because of all of their unrighteous ideas.
And Republicans are righteous .... :blah .... W/ that stroke of brilliance ... Good night.
I feel dumber having read your last post, ... Thank you, OM.
Cindy
06-16-2008, 01:06 AM
If ignorance was bliss, some of y'all around here would be slap happy.
:gaga
:bliss :bliss
StMark
06-16-2008, 01:06 AM
~~ LORD I THANK YOU AND I GIVE YOU
ALL THE GLORRRAAAY!~~
.
Oneness Man
06-16-2008, 01:07 AM
If ignorance was bliss, some of y'all around here would be slap happy.
You are so funny Bro. Did you see the pic that Tina made for you?
Oneness Man
06-16-2008, 01:10 AM
And Republicans are righteous .... :blah .... W/ that stroke of brilliance ... Good night.
More righteous than Democrats McFly.
I feel dumber having read your last post, ... Thank you, OM.
You said it, not me McFly.
StMark
06-16-2008, 01:14 AM
And Republicans are righteous .... :blah .... W/ that stroke of brilliance ... Good night.
I feel dumber having read your last post, ... Thank you, OM.
That was pretty rude Dan --- you gotta admit
More righteous than Democrats McFly.
You said it, not me McFly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5XGXRvbOY4
OnTheFritz
06-16-2008, 01:17 AM
That was pretty rude Dan --- you gotta admit
Can't we all just get along? :happydance:happydance:happydance
StMark
06-16-2008, 01:18 AM
Can't we all just get along? :happydance:happydance:happydance
now that wouldn't be fun would it?? this is AFF Derrick we
look for ways to argue around here
Oneness Man
06-16-2008, 01:19 AM
That was pretty rude Dan --- you gotta admit
This is nothing unusual for Apostolics to act like that. Not all of them are that way though.
Oneness Man
06-16-2008, 01:21 AM
Can't we all just get along? :happydance:happydance:happydance
Now, that would be a miracle.
OnTheFritz
06-16-2008, 01:22 AM
Good night, folks. It's been an honor to disagree with you.
StMark
06-16-2008, 01:25 AM
Good night, folks. It's been an honor to disagree with you.
touch his mind Lord deal with him even while he sleeps
Oneness Man
06-16-2008, 01:25 AM
Good night, folks. It's been an honor to disagree with you.
There are all kinds of people on here and you will probably disagree with most of them. This is fun and you can't take it personally with what goes on here.
OnTheFritz
06-16-2008, 01:27 AM
There are all kinds of people on here and you will probably disagree with most of them. This is fun and you can't take it personally with what goes on here.
Agreed. I sincerely enjoyed it. Have a good night.
OnTheFritz
06-16-2008, 01:28 AM
touch his mind Lord deal with him even while he sleeps
Hopefully he can infiltrate my dreams of hugging trees and saving whales ... :bliss:bliss
Oneness Man
06-16-2008, 01:31 AM
Agreed. I sincerely enjoyed it. Have a good night.
You too Bro.
Cindy
06-16-2008, 02:47 AM
Can't we all just get along? :happydance:happydance:happydance
I don't think so Rodney.
:reaction :tissue
StMark
06-16-2008, 07:14 AM
((((CHECK THIS OUT))))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in5XrQe8Es4
This preacher doesn't mince words about his opinions on Obama
DividedThigh
06-16-2008, 08:19 AM
i dont support obama because of his policies, i think it sad that race is even an issue in this election, i dont care if the whole upc voted for obama i disagree with him, dt
DividedThigh
06-16-2008, 08:34 AM
i read a couple articles about obamas visit to the apostolic church in chicage, typical political stuff for candidates, there was no mention of them joining the chruch, and he left before the sermon after he gave a speech on fathers, dt
if he gets rebaptized, filled with the Holy Ghost and his wife quits wearing pants and those crazy necklaces and monster earbobs, they might be saved.
He still should not be president.
Oneness Man
06-16-2008, 08:40 AM
i read a couple articles about obamas visit to the apostolic church in chicage, typical political stuff for candidates, there was no mention of them joining the chruch, and he left before the sermon after he gave a speech on fathers, dt
Bro,
It was nothing but political stuff and of course he wasn't joinging an Apostolic church. It could be said that it was a race thing too.
Oneness Man
06-16-2008, 08:41 AM
if he gets rebaptized, filled with the Holy Ghost and his wife quits wearing pants and those crazy necklaces and monster earbobs, they might be saved.
He still should not be president.
Amen on That!!!!
DividedThigh
06-16-2008, 08:50 AM
Bro,
It was nothing but political stuff and of course he wasn't joinging an Apostolic church. It could be said that it was a race thing too.
i agree, as a matter of fact from the comments of the preachers involved they made it about race, it was a political move for sure the try and take some of the emphasis off the jeremiah wright thing, the pastor even talked about it, dt
Please note, if my own pastor ran for president on the democratic ticket, I would not vote for him.
unless he turned things upside down and turned out to be another Zell Miller, then I MIGHT consider it.
Oneness Man
06-16-2008, 08:55 AM
i agree, as a matter of fact from the comments of the preachers involved they made it about race, it was a political move for sure the try and take some of the emphasis off the jeremiah wright thing, the pastor even talked about it, dt
That is so sad, but Obama is doing everything to win the Presidential race and pulling all sorts of cards to do it.
DividedThigh
06-16-2008, 08:56 AM
well if he turned out like that i would vote for him too, i completely disagree with obamas ideas and that is why i am agin him, and his ilk, dt
DividedThigh
06-16-2008, 08:57 AM
That is so sad, but Obama is doing everything to win the Presidential race and pulling all sorts of cards to do it.
agreed, dt
Oneness Man
06-16-2008, 09:04 AM
Please note, if my own pastor ran for president on the democratic ticket, I would not vote for him.
unless he turned things upside down and turned out to be another Zell Miller, then I MIGHT consider it.
The only way that I would vote for a Democrat is that they come to the truth about killing babies(abortion) and stop it completely, repent of the evil that they have done, be baptized in Jesus Name, be filled with the Holy Ghost, and stop giving in to the homosexual agenda. That's not all and it would take too long to type.
DividedThigh
06-16-2008, 09:08 AM
you are on the right track oneness man, go boy, keep preachin, dt
chosenbyone
06-16-2008, 09:09 AM
i don't believe obama is a muslim like the ones in the middle
east who wear robes and go to mosque but I believe that is his
Roots, his core beliefs and he's sympathic to them. I don't
believe he is a christian. that's for "show". Chicago is a churchin'
city and deep roots in the church so if you're a politician, you
have to do as the romans if you want to get elected. America
is still a Judeo Christian country(in name only) so of course he
has to keep his true beliefs VERY quiet. I can't explain on the
forum all the reasons I believe he is still a muslim at heart. I
would have to give names of people I'm close to here and
that would get me in trouble
Mark,
With a due respect, the only proof you gave was you got your information through GOSSIP! I have researched thoroughly to see if there was any truth to the claims he was a Muslim and what I found out was the opposite...he was a Christian.
This type of propaganda really has been unfortunate especially when Christians have continued spreading the lies created by conservative pundits!
CB1
DividedThigh
06-16-2008, 09:11 AM
chosen i have not read anything that is from a credibel conservative that has said that obama was a muslim, where did you hear that , i know people say that, but not people with any creds, dt
chosenbyone
06-16-2008, 09:20 AM
chosen i have not read anything that is from a credibel conservative that has said that obama was a muslim, where did you hear that , i know people say that, but not people with any creds, dt
Here you go, DT! Forward to around 1:05...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZhWaiULqkp4
Here is the truth about the school in Indonesia that Obama attended in his youth:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3jwi_DAef6g
DividedThigh
06-16-2008, 09:27 AM
fact is chosen i dont trust cnn you can if you want, i still want to know who is the credible conservative who said obama is a muslim, saying he attended a school, which he did is not the same as calling him a muslim, and especially not an extremist, dt
DividedThigh
06-16-2008, 09:37 AM
hey chosen, mark even said it is his opinion or feeling, he didnt say he had proof of obama being a muslim, what gives, dt
chosenbyone
06-16-2008, 09:38 AM
fact is chosen i dont trust cnn you can if you want, i still want to know who is the credible conservative who said obama is a muslim, saying he attended a school, which he did is not the same as calling him a muslim, and especially not an extremist, dt
DT,
The first video showed the source where the rumors started about him being Muslim. If that information was incorrect, they would have to make a retraction or be sued.
The second vidoe actually went to the school in Indonesia and interviewed the headmaster of the school. It wasn't a Madrasah, but a public school with Muslim and Christian students. The photo of the teachers that taught when Obama attended were all wearing western clothes...not Muslim attire.
I think it's rather humerous when provided actual concrete evidence that debunked the spin about Obama, the response has been that "I don't trust" the various media outlets that aired the information.
CB1
chosenbyone
06-16-2008, 09:40 AM
hey chosen, mark even said it is his opinion or feeling, he didnt say he had proof of obama being a muslim, what gives, dt
Of course, he didn't have any proof, because it was a deceptive rumor...not fact! He only made the admission when pressed to provide the evidence to substantiate his claims of Obama was a Muslim.
DividedThigh
06-16-2008, 09:41 AM
first of all my brother i never said that obama is a muslim, i dont know, i personally dont think he is a true christian either, but that is another story and i have never, trusted cnn, the stories speak for themselves, you or i dont know exactly what happened in his education, and the school he went to could have changed drastically in the last 30 years right, lol
DividedThigh
06-16-2008, 09:43 AM
obama is supposed to be diff my friend well he isnt, he will do and say whatever he has to to be elected, i disagree with him politically, no use in worryin about that it wont change, he is a lib and i am not, lol
chosenbyone
06-16-2008, 09:50 AM
obama is supposed to be diff my friend well he isnt, he will do and say whatever he has to to be elected, i disagree with him politically, no use in worryin about that it wont change, he is a lib and i am not, lol
Well, I have been accused of being a liberal by...well, you know. The accusation was based on the fact that I have defended Obama against the smear campaign that he has endured for months.
I have always been pro-life and I have voted Republican most of my life. Unfortunately, McCain nor Obama share my views on abortion!
I became an Independent a few years ago, but I would gladly vote for a Republican if he wasn't someone who changed his stance on the issues every other week.
DividedThigh
06-16-2008, 09:53 AM
Well, I have been accused of being a liberal by...well, you know. The accusation was based on the fact that I have defended Obama against the smear campaign that he has endured for months.
I have always been pro-life and I have voted Republican most of my life. Unfortunately, McCain nor Obama share my views on abortion!
I became and Independent a few years ago, but I would gladly vote for a Republican if he wasn't someone who changed his stance on the issues every other week.
i understand brother, i dotn think there are any perfect candidates out there, and i am interested in good , truthful info , hasnt mccain always been pro life, i thought he had, lol
chosenbyone
06-16-2008, 09:55 AM
i understand brother, i dotn think there are any perfect candidates out there, and i am interested in good , truthful info , hasnt mccain always been pro life, i thought he had, lol
:toofunny
DividedThigh
06-16-2008, 10:05 AM
well at least i got you to laugh, that is good, bless you chosen, dt
JesusFanatic36
06-16-2008, 10:06 AM
When I watched this on the news last night. It advised the church was a "Apostolic Church of God" Big diff from Oneness!!!
Psalm 121:1-2 I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help. My help cometh from the Lord, which made heaven and earth.
Lies about obama
he is a muslim. thats false. there isnt a shred of real evidence to support that notion.
he isnt elegible to be president because he is not a natural born citizen. this is also false. he is as "american as me and my family dates back to before the revolutionary war.
truth about obama
for abortion and will put people like Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the court. (that there is enought for even the most pro-abortion person to vote against him)
he is for adding 1.4 trillion dollars in new spending. eeek!
he is for raising taxes on the rich and raising tarriffs on our trading partners during an economic down turn. (the last person to do this was herbert hoover ... see smoot hauley act)
he is for meeting with our enemies based on the JFK metting with the russians. JFKs meeting was a colossal failure and led to the Cuban Missle crisis.
he is for taxing oil companies, effectively raising the price of Gas for the purpose of lowering gas prices (somebody needs to figure this logic out it baffels me) Jimmy Carter was the last to do this and it led to the gas shortage in the 1970's.
He is for losing the war in Iraq. Losing. yanking defeat from the jaws of victory. walking off the battle field and telling the bad guys we dont want to play anymore. defeat. he is for LOSING.
He is for the failed policy of the past with the belief that it equals both CHANGE and a NEW DIRECTION. I dont think I like that kind of change.
When I watched this on the news last night. It advised the church was a "Apostolic Church of God" Big diff from Oneness!!!
Psalm 121:1-2 I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help. My help cometh from the Lord, which made heaven and earth.
News flash ... this is a Oneness Church ...
DividedThigh
06-16-2008, 10:15 AM
Lies about obama
he is a muslim. thats false. there isnt a shred of real evidence to support that notion.
he isnt elegible to be president because he is not a natural born citizen. this is also false. he is as "american as me and my family dates back to before the revolutionary war.
truth about obama
for abortion and will put people like Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the court. (that there is enought for even the most pro-abortion person to vote against him)
he is for adding 1.4 trillion dollars in new spending. eeek!
he is for raising taxes on the rich and raising tarriffs on our trading partners during an economic down turn. (the last person to do this was herbert hoover ... see smoot hauley act)
he is for meeting with our enemies based on the JFK metting with the russians. JFKs meeting was a colossal failure and led to the Cuban Missle crisis.
he is for taxing oil companies, effectively raising the price of Gas for the purpose of lowering gas prices (somebody needs to figure this logic out it baffels me) Jimmy Carter was the last to do this and it led to the gas shortage in the 1970's.
He is for losing the war in Iraq. Losing. yanking defeat from the jaws of victory. walking off the battle field and telling the bad guys we dont want to play anymore. defeat. he is for LOSING.
He is for the failed policy of the past with the belief that it equals both CHANGE and a NEW DIRECTION. I dont think I like that kind of change.
could not agree more ferd, dt:happydance
Also John McCain has a very pro-life record.
McCain also has a pretty solid stance on Judges. His model for a justice is John Roberts.
which is exactly what I want.
for those that think Judges are just about Abortion, think again. 5 judges last week gave the terrorists in Gitmo access to American Courts and Constitutional protection. It was a moronic decision and those 5 people need to be tarred and feathered!
these murderers were just given more legal protection than the Nazi's got at Nuremburg! And the Nazi's were under Geneva convention protection as members of a military and officials of a government! the terrorists dont have even that level of internation rights, but NOW they have the same as you and me as citizens of this country!
ARRRRGGGG.....
and you would vote for Obama? who would extend that kind of thinking on the court???? what is wrong with you people?????
DividedThigh
06-16-2008, 10:27 AM
yeah it would obama even made a speech about it saying the court was right, giving rights to people who arent citizens , how could that be right, just shows ignorance, no obama, dt
Mark,
With a due respect, the only proof you gave was you got your information through GOSSIP! I have researched thoroughly to see if there was any truth to the claims he was a Muslim and what I found out was the opposite...he was a Christian.
This type of propaganda really has been unfortunate especially when Christians have continued spreading the lies created by conservative pundits!
CB1
This is true. Obama is not a practicing Muslim. It's a good thing Mexicans or Puerto Ricans aren't the ones behind the 9/11 attack. People around here would be accusing me of being a terrorist because my last name is Rodriquez!
DT,
The first video showed the source where the rumors started about him being Muslim. If that information was incorrect, they would have to make a retraction or be sued.
The second vidoe actually went to the school in Indonesia and interviewed the headmaster of the school. It wasn't a Madrasah, but a public school with Muslim and Christian students. The photo of the teachers that taught when Obama attended were all wearing western clothes...not Muslim attire.
I think it's rather humerous when provided actual concrete evidence that debunked the spin about Obama, the response has been that "I don't trust" the various media outlets that aired the information.
CB1
They concocted the whole storyline just to fool us. They're in on the conspiracy!
MissBrattified
06-16-2008, 11:54 AM
When I watched this on the news last night. It advised the church was a "Apostolic Church of God" Big diff from Oneness!!!
Psalm 121:1-2 I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help. My help cometh from the Lord, which made heaven and earth.
You're discrediting a church because of the name on the door? Definitely not a UPCI church, but DEFINITELY oneness. And spirit-filled. And they baptize in Jesus' name.
Go to the website "About Us" and read "What We Believe."
TRFrance
06-16-2008, 01:13 PM
You're discrediting a church because of the name on the door? Definitely not a UPCI church, but DEFINITELY oneness. And spirit-filled. And they baptize in Jesus' name.
Go to the website "About Us" and read "What We Believe."
Precisely .
They are a former PAW church, now independent.
But they are still Oneness/Acts 2:38.
DividedThigh
06-16-2008, 01:32 PM
This is true. Obama is not a practicing Muslim. It's a good thing Mexicans or Puerto Ricans aren't the ones behind the 9/11 attack. People around here would be accusing me of being a terrorist because my last name is Rodriquez!
arent you, lol, you terrorize posters on here all the time, mr rodriquez, lol
Minister_WD
06-16-2008, 01:37 PM
((((CHECK THIS OUT))))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in5XrQe8Es4
This preacher doesn't mince words about his opinions on Obama
Where do you find all of this ?? lol
You are something else :)
DividedThigh
06-16-2008, 01:39 PM
he is something else, he has way to much time to burn, lol
chosenbyone
06-16-2008, 01:52 PM
((((CHECK THIS OUT))))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in5XrQe8Es4
This preacher doesn't mince words about his opinions on Obama
You can't be serious! Have you heard this man's hate filled sermons? Not just the Obama slamming sermons, but all the others? :blah Perhaps, I should post some of his other videos, so that you could see all the craziness!
His religious platform has too many cracks!
arent you, lol, you terrorize posters on here all the time, mr rodriquez, lol
:toofunny That there is funny, I don't care who you are!! :toofunny
StMark
06-16-2008, 02:54 PM
http://www.geneclark.net/BarackHusseinObama.html
Let me know what Ya'll think of this man's comments.
DividedThigh
06-16-2008, 02:55 PM
thanks rico, i chuckled as i wrote that, its all good mr rico, lol
OnenessWoman
06-16-2008, 04:19 PM
Also John McCain has a very pro-life record.
McCain also has a pretty solid stance on Judges. His model for a justice is John Roberts.
which is exactly what I want.
for those that think Judges are just about Abortion, think again. 5 judges last week gave the terrorists in Gitmo access to American Courts and Constitutional protection. It was a moronic decision and those 5 people need to be tarred and feathered!
these murderers were just given more legal protection than the Nazi's got at Nuremburg! And the Nazi's were under Geneva convention protection as members of a military and officials of a government! the terrorists dont have even that level of internation rights, but NOW they have the same as you and me as citizens of this country!
ARRRRGGGG.....
and you would vote for Obama? who would extend that kind of thinking on the court???? what is wrong with you people?????
Ridiculous, isn't it! I wonder when they are going to start paying taxes for their representation!!! :crazywalls
jackbauer
06-16-2008, 06:27 PM
Obama Did Not Join Church He made a political appearence
http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/06/15/obama-goes-to-church-2/
Furthermore he has already stated that He will not join another church untill after the General Election in November.
On Friday, Obama and his wife, Michelle, wrote a letter to Trinity's new pastor, Moss, announcing their resignation from the church. On Saturday, in a question-and-answer session with reporters in Aberdeen, SD, Sen. Obama explained that in the wake of Wright's NPC appearance, he and his wife had prayed for guidance on how to handle their relationship with Trinity. Obama told reporters he suspected that "it was going to be very difficult to continue our membership there as long as I was running for President. The recent episode with Father Pfleger," he continued, "just reinforced the view that we don't want to have to answer for everything that's stated in a church. On the other hand, we also don't want a church subjected to the scrutiny that a presidential campaign legitimately undergoes."
Obama also said his family would not join another church until after the November general elections. He even seemed to suggest that it's a bit disingenuous for a political candidate to feel compelled to choose a congregation based on a political, rather than purely spiritual, calculus. Should he choose to join a predominately black church, it's highly possible that what's delivered from the pulpit could, again, shock people unfamiliar with the nuances, cadences — and occasionally harsh rhetoric — of the black American church experience. "I do think there is a cultural and a stylistic gap that has come into play on this issue," Obama said Saturday. "I haven't figured out exactly how this is managed ... But I am confident that we are going to be able to find a church we feel comfortable with and that will reflect our concerns and values."
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1811069,00.html
TRFrance
06-16-2008, 06:31 PM
Obama Did Not Join Church He made a political appearence
http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/06/15/obama-goes-to-church-2/
Furthermore he has already stated that He will not join another church untill after the General Election in November.
It would be good to see him get the Holy Ghost one day. Apostolic Church of God is a good place to start, I guess.
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