My New Blog - Divorce and Remarriage

[Dr. Vaughn]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=193565897

I have posted a new blog concerning marriage and divorce... where I attempt to prove four things by scripture.

The Marriage Vow is for life

Death is the only biblical reason for remarriage

The lie that what happens before salvation does not matter to God, is wrong!

If you are in a 2nd marriage, plead God's Mercy.

Those continuing in Adultery will NOT see heaven.

The Divorced man or woman must remain single or be reunited with their spouses ONLY.

For those who are scholars among us I would appreciate your "tearing this apart" as I am preparing for a debate on the subject and I always like to hear the counter arguments on here before I meet the public......

thanks

[Obispo Matador]

Estimado Doctor,

I pray you rightly divide the Word.
Do not teach a doctrine unless you have clear instruction from the Author.
I plea God's mercy on you.
I also whisper an oracion for your family. May He keep you juntos always.

Paz de Cristo,
OM

[Rhoni]

Have at it bro...actually the bIble teaches not to go back to your previous spouse. Check your research before posting such things:)

[Steve Epley]

Dr. V. The man or woman who goes INTO the water are NOT the same as those who come OUT of the water. Their sins INCLUDING adultery are remitted and old things are PASSED AWAY because the old man DIED and was BURIED and ALL THINGS including their marriage status has become NEW.
To be justified is forgiven as though they NEVER committed the crime. When one is BORN AGAIN they are justified thus their old record is ERASED or BLOTTED out. They have a NEW life that began at their NEW BIRTH. They are NOT required to go back and right all their wrongs that is penance NOT repentance! Their wrongs are forgiven and remitted NEVER TO BE REMEMBERED!

[DividedThigh]

good luck bro, i think your perspective is wrong, but honestly i tire of debate over such nonsense, my opinion of course good for you and god bless you, dt

[SDG]

Son of Branham,

Check your URL. It should point to your myspace.com/yourname.
If not, it will go to another person's blog.

[Brad Murphy]

We also need to define marriage... some believe you are married to the first person you fornicated with/lose virginity too (if applicable), although what if that person had already fornicated with someone else... then you were committing adultery as well... so you cannot marry them, because they are married to the first person that they slept with (unless that other person was not a virgin and therefore married to the first person that they slept with ad infitinium) but now YOU are no longer a virgin, therefore married to the other person and you can't ever get married. :D

[Baron1710]

Son of Branham,

Check your URL. It should point to your myspace.com/yourname.
If not, it will go to another person's blog.

What he said, I already know what's in my blog. Maybe just posting the contents of the blog on here would be easier.

[Dr. Vaughn]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=193565897

Updated Link,,, hope it works... if course you must be a Myspace member to read it... its too long to post here

[Dr. Vaughn]

Have at it bro...actually the bIble teaches not to go back to your previous spouse. Check your research before posting such things:)

I would be interested in discussing that

I Cor 7:11

I Cor 7:11 - But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to [her] husband: and let not the husband put away [his] wife.

[Steve Epley]

I would be interested in discussing that

I Cor 7:11

I Cor 7:11 - But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to [her] husband: and let not the husband put away [his] wife.

Paul is writing instructing SAINTS not sinners. The only message to the sinner is Acts 2:38!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dr. Vaughn]

Dr. V. The man or woman who goes INTO the water are NOT the same as those who come OUT of the water. Their sins INCLUDING adultery are remitted and old things are PASSED AWAY because the old man DIED and was BURIED and ALL THINGS including their marriage status has become NEW.
To be justified is forgiven as though they NEVER committed the crime. When one is BORN AGAIN they are justified thus their old record is ERASED or BLOTTED out. They have a NEW life that began at their NEW BIRTH. They are NOT required to go back and right all their wrongs that is penance NOT repentance! Their wrongs are forgiven and remitted NEVER TO BE REMEMBERED!

Elder

What, should we continue in sin? God Forbid

When a man comes to Christ and he has a living wife... the marriage is not considered obsolte because the marriage took place before salvation

Marriage is not just honorable and accepted after salvation...

Marriage is honorable IN ALL.. this is scripture bye the way

So the question remains if God considered the unbelievers marriage honorable and accepts the Covenant between them.... is that marriage no longer honorable because that person was saved?

If one has AIDS before salvation.... does he no longer have them after salvation? Is the OLD MAN really dead,, then AIDS died with it......There are some things that do not change.. a MARRIAGE VOW is one of those things Elder........Now the question is.. do we CONTINUE IN SIN

GOD FORBID

So if the new believer is remarried does he continue in a sinful marriage that God does not recognize?

God told the woman at the well that the man she was with then was not her husband...

Do our unpaid contracts go away after salvation? Is marriage not a contract making two people become ONE PERSON? Who can now divide that one person into two again?

[Baron1710]

So a man comes to your church and is saved, but prior to this he has divorced his first wife, and both have remarried and now he has kids with his second wife.

What do you tell him?

[Baron1710]

Jesus speaking to the woman at the well,,, acknowledged she had been married 5 times... and he plainly told her... that the husband she had at that time was not her husband..... he could not be her husband because she had a LIVING husband .the MAN YOU ARE WITH is NOT YOUR HUSBAND he told her.....


Lets work through this...

16He told her, "Go, call your husband and come back."

17"I have no husband," she replied.

The woman said I am not marrried.

Jesus said to her, "You are right when you say you have no husband. 18The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true."

Jesus said your right you are just shackin' up.

The one your living with you aren't married to, BUT YOU HAVE HAD 5 HUSBANDS.

He didn't say she had one husband he said she had 5, the issue wasn't divorce or remarriage, but a lack of marriage.

[Steve Epley]

Elder

What, should we continue in sin? God Forbid

When a man comes to Christ and he has a living wife... the marriage is not considered obsolte because the marriage took place before salvation

Marriage is not just honorable and accepted after salvation...

Marriage is honorable IN ALL.. this is scripture bye the way

So the question remains if God considered the unbelievers marriage honorable and accepts the Covenant between them.... is that marriage no longer honorable because that person was saved?

If one has AIDS before salvation.... does he no longer have them after salvation? Is the OLD MAN really dead,, then AIDS died with it......There are some things that do not change.. a MARRIAGE VOW is one of those things Elder........Now the question is.. do we CONTINUE IN SIN

GOD FORBID

So if the new believer is remarried does he continue in a sinful marriage that God does not recognize?

God told the woman at the well that the man she was with then was not her husband...

Do our unpaid contracts go away after salvation? Is marriage not a contract making two people become ONE PERSON? Who can now divide that one person into two again?

Your questions answered:
1. They are MARRIED that is what makes it adultery. That couple who IS MARRIED goes INTO the water and their SINS are washed away and they are a NEW COUPLE with a NEW record. Their sins of the past are REMITTED thus GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. A person might have AIDS and do not get healed but being healed and being SAVED are not the same. They might have to reap what they have sown in the flesh but their RECORD is CLEAR BEFORE GOD who justified them!
3. They are NOT continuing in sin since that old person who was married twice NO LONGER LIVES he died and was buried and DEATH FREES HIM.
4. The woman at the well was NOT married to the last man Jesus made the distinction between those she had been married to and the one she was shacking with.
5. The person tha tmade the contract is NOT the same person or the new birth is NOT a new birth. A New Birth means a New person. That is to God.
Can a person who takes a girl's virginity ever give it back? NO!

[Dr. Vaughn]

So does the new man now have 1 living wife or 2 living wives?

Can a person just keep praying back through after each divorce and be right with God

How many wives does the born again man have?

[Dr. Vaughn]

So what does God consider the divorced wife of the NEW BORN AGAIN husband of hers? Is she no longer considered put away because the man is now born again?

[Dr. Vaughn]

So a man comes to your church and is saved, but prior to this he has divorced his first wife, and both have remarried and now he has kids with his second wife.

What do you tell him?

I tell him to place himself in the hands of a merciful God..... and to never commit this same sin of double marriage again

[Steve Epley]

So what does God consider the divorced wife of the NEW BORN AGAIN husband of hers? Is she no longer considered put away because the man is now born again?

The man is accepted as he comes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A NEW person with a NEW life.

[Steve Epley]

So does the new man now have 1 living wife or 2 living wives?

Can a person just keep praying back through after each divorce and be right with God

How many wives does the born again man have?

IN THE CHURCH after the NEW BIRTH his new record begins he is allowed one marriage unless death is involved.

[Rhoni]

Virginity applies to men and women.

[Rhoni]

I got baptized a year ago so I am a virgin and never been married. :)

Blessings, Rhoni

OOPS...what does that make my chidlren?

[Steve Epley]

Dr. V. you cannot go BACK through the Blood and drag a man's old remitted record up. It is gone forever more to God.

[Pro31:28]

I got baptized a year ago so I am a virgin and never been married. :)

Blessings, Rhoni

OOPS...what does that make my chidlren?

Children of God! :hug3

[Dr. Vaughn]

The man is accepted as he comes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A NEW person with a NEW life.

If thats the case... I wouldnt think he would be responsible for any child support either.. after all those kids daddy is dead.....

if your saying that womans husband is dead.. you gotta the same for the daddy of the kids.. HE's DEAD,. no longer responsible for his responsibilities.... especially that one he vowed before God UNTIL DEATH DO US PART

[Dr. Vaughn]

Dr. V. you cannot go BACK through the Blood and drag a man's old remitted record up. It is gone forever more to God.

He is not relieved of his VOWS BEFORE GOD.....

[Baron1710]

Lets work through this...

16He told her, "Go, call your husband and come back."

17"I have no husband," she replied.

The woman said I am not marrried.

Jesus said to her, "You are right when you say you have no husband. 18The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true."

Jesus said your right you are just shackin' up.

The one your living with you aren't married to, BUT YOU HAVE HAD 5 HUSBANDS.

He didn't say she had one husband he said she had 5, the issue wasn't divorce or remarriage, but a lack of marriage.


You didn't answer this one.

[Dr. Vaughn]

You didn't answer this one.

I interpret it differently than you Baron.... In those days only a whore would dare live with a man and not be married.. very small communities,, people talked.... so I am persuaded to believe that she knew she had been married too many times and she knew by the Jewish law that the man she was living with... was not her husband.....although she most probably considered him such.. but according to Jewish Law she this man was not her husband no matter if they were married or not.... and she was talking to a Jew, so according to that law she had no husband..... but the Samaritans may very well have considered him her husband as they did not observe Jewish Law

[Baron1710]

I interpret it differently than you Baron.... In those days only a whore would dare live with a man and not be married.. very small communities,, people talked.... so I am persuaded to believe that she knew she had been married too many times and she knew by the Jewish law that the man she was living with... was not her husband.....although she most probably considered him such.. but according to Jewish Law she this man was not her husband no matter if they were married or not.... and she was talking to a Jew, so according to that law she had no husband..... but the Samaritans may very well have considered him her husband as they did not observe Jewish Law

That is a whole lot of isogesis my friend.

[hometown guy]

Your questions answered:
1. They are MARRIED that is what makes it adultery. That couple who IS MARRIED goes INTO the water and their SINS are washed away and they are a NEW COUPLE with a NEW record. Their sins of the past are REMITTED thus GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. A person might have AIDS and do not get healed but being healed and being SAVED are not the same. They might have to reap what they have sown in the flesh but their RECORD is CLEAR BEFORE GOD who justified them!
3. They are NOT continuing in sin since that old person who was married twice NO LONGER LIVES he died and was buried and DEATH FREES HIM.
4. The woman at the well was NOT married to the last man Jesus made the distinction between those she had been married to and the one she was shacking with.
5. The person tha tmade the contract is NOT the same person or the new birth is NOT a new birth. A New Birth means a New person. That is to God.
Can a person who takes a girl's virginity ever give it back? NO!

If thats the case... I wouldnt think he would be responsible for any child support either.. after all those kids daddy is dead.....

if your saying that womans husband is dead.. you gotta the same for the daddy of the kids.. HE's DEAD,. no longer responsible for his responsibilities.... especially that one he vowed before God UNTIL DEATH DO US PART

like the elder said they have to reap what they have sown.

[Dr. Vaughn]

like the elder said they have to reap what they have sown.

I couldnt agree more... and they have sown MARRIAGE CONTRACTS... VOWS BEFORE GOD..... and no salvation in the world relieves you of those VOWS.... whether saved or unsaved "Marriage is honorable in all"

Those VOWS were planted before salvation and the blood doesn't wash your responsibility to those vows away no matter how saved you get... if you are living outside of those vows..... then you have a WIFE or HUSBAND whether you get saved or NOT... just like you still have children from that contract whether saved or not... saying a person can forget those vows after salvation is no different than saying they can forget the children that came from those vows....

[hometown guy]

I couldnt agree more... and they have sown MARRIAGE CONTRACTS... VOWS BEFORE GOD..... and no salvation in the world relieves you of those VOWS.... whether saved or unsaved "Marriage is honorable in all"

Those VOWS were planted before salvation and the blood doesn't wash your responsibility to those vows away no matter how saved you get... if you are living outside of those vows..... then you have a WIFE or HUSBAND whether you get saved or NOT... just like you still have children from that contract whether saved or not... saying a person can forget those vows after salvation is no different than saying they can forget the children that came from those vows....

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

[hometown guy]

So a man comes to your church and is saved, but prior to this he has divorced his first wife, and both have remarried and now he has kids with his second wife.

What do you tell him?

I tell him to place himself in the hands of a merciful God..... and to never commit this same sin of double marriage again

to make things right according to what you think does he then have to get a Divorce and break the new contract with God?

[Rico]

This is a topic that brings back very bad memories for me. First, after living with my wife for a few years, and a short time of being in church, we got married because my pastor insisted on it. He refused to perform the ceremony, however, because I had been married before conversion. Then, after many years of struggling with a call on my life (since I was about 13 or so), I finally went to my pastor (the church had changed hands by then), told him I was ready to give in and follow what God had in store me, I was told I would never be allowed in any apostolic pulpit because I was double married. One preacher made us get married but wouldn't marry us because it was my second marriage, then the next preacher basically condemned me to a life of torment over not being able to follow my calling. This is one area where I had some serious issues with forgiving these preachers, once I found out that everyone in apostolic churches didn't think it was OK to reach through the blood and hold something against someone.

[Dr. Vaughn]

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Hometown Guy... you can finish the scripture... it is better not to make a vow than to make one and break it....

God despises the broken vow and you guys want to make us believe that upon the new birth anything from your past is now over... you are a new person and therefore... no need to pay that car note because the man who signed the contract is DEAD..... No need to take care of the children from the former marriage... their father is dead.....

IF YOU MADE A VOW whether saved or unsaved and you have broken it.. and remarried you are living in SIN......

Now, what God chooses to do with that is up to him but according to his WORD.... that's all I can go bye..... scriptures plainly tell us that he that marries a woman who has been put away COMMITS ADULTERY... folks there just aint no changing those scriptures as bad as you and I would LOVE TO..... a woman with a living spouse is MARRIED UNTIL DEATH to her first spouse