Hey right wing waccccckoooos!!!!

[Light]

The Bush (Ferds favorite prez.) is installing socialism and none of you right wingers are saying a word.

Your old boy Mr. McCan'tremember is signing on to this march to socialism but I don't hear you right wingers saying a word about this march to socialism.

You talk about people that speak with forked tongues the REPUBLICANS have mastered " man who speak with forked tongue". Oh yea "woman who speak with forked tongue"

[rgcraig]

I don't think you've read enough posts.

MANY here are not happy with this passing in Congress as we speak.

[MissBrattified]

The Bush (Ferds favorite prez.) is installing socialism and none of you right wingers are saying a word.

Your old boy Mr. McCan'tremember is signing on to this march to socialism but I don't hear you right wingers saying a word about this march to socialism.

You talk about people that speak with forked tongues the REPUBLICANS have mastered " man who speak with forked tongue". Oh yea "woman who speak with forked tongue"

Right wing wacko's? Are you unaware that the people who post here are also your brothers and sisters in Christ?

What exactly are you referring to? Links/sources, if you don't mind. :coffee2

[LadyRev]

Right wing wacko's? Are you unaware that the people who post here are also your brothers and sisters in Christ?
What exactly are you referring to? Links/sources, if you don't mind. :coffee2

Since when does this matter to individuals like dark, oops I mean light?

:whistle

[MissBrattified]

I don't think you've read enough posts.

MANY here are not happy with this passing in Congress as we speak.

Oh, okay.

We're not too happy about it either. I wish it could be stopped....

[Light]

Right wing wacko's? Are you unaware that the people who post here are also your brothers and sisters in Christ?

What exactly are you referring to? Links/sources, if you don't mind. :coffee2

A wacko is someone who refuses to look at all sides of a subject both right and left.
I think you are being hypocritical when you use the argument they are my Br. and sisters. Where was your out rage when your republican friends that are the supposed br and sis. call those that differ from them communist?

[rgcraig]

A wacko is someone who refuses to look at all sides of a subject both right and left.
I think you are being hypocritical when you use the argument they are my Br. and sisters. Where was your out rage when your republican friends that are the supposed br and sis. call those that differ from them communist?

LOL - - and I suppose you look at all sides of a subject? :ursofunny

[Sam]

I realize this bailout is another big step toward socialism (we're already quite a way down that slippery slope) but I'm not smart enough to come up with an alternate plan. I don't understand a lot of this stuff but it seems that many of the "experts" think we have to do something, even if it is this distasteful. I think we feel "trapped" into going along with this package whether we agree with it or not. At least (if I understand this correctly) the Republicans did get a big gift to acorn (a phony organization to produce "votes" for the Daley Chicago machine) removed from it. None of us know how much other graft, corruption, giveaways, etc. are included in this thing for the "friends" and pac (payoff and corruption) buddies of the Senators and Representatives.

[Light]

LOL - - and I suppose you look at all sides of a subject? :ursofunny


Are you saying that I don't? Ask someone that knows before you accuse . Ask a republican friend of mine, Baron

[rgcraig]

Are you saying that I don't? Ask someone that knows before you accuse . Ask a republican friend of mine, Baron

LOL - too funny. You are accusing all of us without knowing us. Maybe you need to ask someone that knows before you accuse also.

[TRFrance]

Right wing wacko's? Are you unaware that the people who post here are also your brothers and sisters in Christ?

What exactly are you referring to? Links/sources, if you don't mind. :coffee2

Thank you.

"Light" is speaking to us like we're a bunch of contemptible heathens.

People seem to forget their Christianity around here sometimes.

[SDG]

The Bush (Ferds favorite prez.) is installing socialism and none of you right wingers are saying a word.

Your old boy Mr. McCan'tremember is signing on to this march to socialism but I don't hear you right wingers saying a word about this march to socialism.

You talk about people that speak with forked tongues the REPUBLICANS have mastered " man who speak with forked tongue". Oh yea "woman who speak with forked tongue"

Real conservatives have said it is financial socialism ... but this is one of many bailouts we've seen recently ....

[MikeinAR]

I realize this bailout is another big step toward socialism (we're already quite a way down that slippery slope) but I'm not smart enough to come up with an alternate plan. I don't understand a lot of this stuff but it seems that many of the "experts" think we have to do something, even if it is this distasteful.


I agree Sam. This whole deal isn't enjoyable and it's a sad day in this country, but what else is anyone proposing?

When sound companies like Caterpillar and McDonalds are having trouble finding capital in the credit market, it's serious. It's not like this is as easy as telling Wall Street to take a hike and let come what may. That would be a great solution and I hope the bill nails the greedy CEO's and risk takers, but you can't allow credit markets to freeze and bring down the decent companies as well.

[Ferd]

The Bush (Ferds favorite prez.) is installing socialism and none of you right wingers are saying a word.

Your old boy Mr. McCan'tremember is signing on to this march to socialism but I don't hear you right wingers saying a word about this march to socialism.

You talk about people that speak with forked tongues the REPUBLICANS have mastered " man who speak with forked tongue". Oh yea "woman who speak with forked tongue"

Light, before you nail me to this, how about you do a search for my posts on the subject?


I have stated repeatedly that the Paulson plan (GWB's plan) was BAAAAD.

I believe my plan was to get
Newt Gingrich, Paul Volker, and the ghost of Milton Freedman in a room and let them come up with a plan....


And anyone who has been around here and seen me post on the subject knows that Uncle Ronnie (with hand over heart) is my favorite president.

Although I will admit that GWB was a better option than either Gore or Kerry....

I will admit to that... I believed it then and I think I will stick with that acessment now!

but I love ya dude!

[AmazingGrace]

Are you saying that I don't? Ask someone that knows before you accuse . Ask a republican friend of mine, Baron

Its apparent we dont have to ask... and btw you have proved yourself to be a wacko so I guess if the shoe fits.. oh and you have friends?! I didnt think most around here liked to hang out in the dark and that is definitely what you are!

[Sam]

I realize this bailout is another big step toward socialism (we're already quite a way down that slippery slope) but I'm not smart enough to come up with an alternate plan. I don't understand a lot of this stuff but it seems that many of the "experts" think we have to do something, even if it is this distasteful. I think we feel "trapped" into going along with this package whether we agree with it or not. At least (if I understand this correctly) the Republicans did get a big gift to acorn (a phony organization to produce "votes" for the Daley Chicago machine) removed from it. None of us know how much other graft, corruption, giveaways, etc. are included in this thing for the "friends" and pac (payoff and corruption) buddies of the Senators and Representatives.

Maybe the person who said that our government officials should be limited to serve two terms only and then be executed was not so far wrong.

[Sam]

...
Although I will admit that GWB was a better option than either Gore or Kerry....
...


I'll say a big "AMEN" to that.

[George]

This sounds good to me....

Hi Pals, I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.

Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a We Deserve It Dividend.

To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+.

Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up.

So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00.

My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a We Deserve It Dividend.

Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So let's assume a tax rate of 30%.

Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.

But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A husband and wife has $595,000.00.

What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
Pay off your mortgage? Housing crisis solved.
Repay college loans? What a great boost to new grads.
Put away money for college?Save in a bank create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
Buy a new car, create jobs, invest in the market capital drives growth.
Pay for your parent's medical insurance? Health care improves.
Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean or else.

Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.

If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it...instead of trickling out a puny $1000.00 ( 'vote buy') economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.

If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+!

As for AIG liquidate it.
Sell off its parts.
Let American General go back to being American General.
Sell off the real estate.
Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.

Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't.

How do you spell Economic Boom?

I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC .

And remember, The Birk plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.

Ahhh...I feel so much better getting that off my chest.

Kindest personal regards,
Birk
T. J. Birkenmeier,
A Creative Guy & Citizen of the Republic

[Ferd]

So let me speak on this right now....

Obama would have been in support of the plan that Barny Frank and Chris Dodd came up with that included putting Union members on a board to regulate how the 700 billion dollars was spent and would have given billions to ACORN a community organizing group that Obama worked with that has been pegged for voter fraud about a half dozen times or more.

This bill strips that out junk out. So I am with Mccain on that.

This bill cuts the amount of funding to 250 billion first, with another 100 Billon later, and any more for purchasing of assets would require additional congressional action.

It also creates a framework for an insurance plan that Wall Street will have to pay for themselves. So this plan is about have the wrong headed plan that GWB asked for, is even better than the terms the democrats wanted.

It is still NOT a freemarket plan that requires the banks that got us into this mess to pay for getting us out of this mess, but is a lot better than the alternatives. a

ALSO as Pete Sessions said today, NOT doing this plan, would end with the democrats passing their plan which would have been far worse.

so in the end we get a compromise bill with some freemarket solutions and some taxpayer protections instead of a bill that would have been pure socialist take over of the financial markets.

Good guys: Jeb Hinserling and a host of republicans in the House, supported by John McCain.
Bad guys: some Senate Republicans, George Bush, Henry Paulson, and ALL of the democrats including Barak Obama.

[Ferd]

This sounds good to me....

Hi Pals, I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.

Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a We Deserve It Dividend.

To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+.

Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up.

So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00.

My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a We Deserve It Dividend.

Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So let's assume a tax rate of 30%.

Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.

But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A husband and wife has $595,000.00.

What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
Pay off your mortgage? Housing crisis solved.
Repay college loans? What a great boost to new grads.
Put away money for college?Save in a bank create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
Buy a new car, create jobs, invest in the market capital drives growth.
Pay for your parent's medical insurance? Health care improves.
Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean or else.

Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.

If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it...instead of trickling out a puny $1000.00 ( 'vote buy') economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.

If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+!

As for AIG liquidate it.
Sell off its parts.
Let American General go back to being American General.
Sell off the real estate.
Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.

Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't.

How do you spell Economic Boom?

I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC .

And remember, The Birk plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.

Ahhh...I feel so much better getting that off my chest.

Kindest personal regards,
Birk
T. J. Birkenmeier,
A Creative Guy & Citizen of the Republic

Hey George, you need to do the math there.... Its off by 3 zeros...

[SOUNWORTHY]

The Bush (Ferds favorite prez.) is installing socialism and none of you right wingers are saying a word.

Your old boy Mr. McCan'tremember is signing on to this march to socialism but I don't hear you right wingers saying a word about this march to socialism.

You talk about people that speak with forked tongues the REPUBLICANS have mastered " man who speak with forked tongue". Oh yea "woman who speak with forked tongue"

Dear brother Wackooo, :whistle I guess you know by now the bail out was defeated in the House not by the Democrats alone but also by the God chosen Republicans. I think we are in big trouble. This is not really a bail out but possibly something that would be good for our country and us.

We live in a wonderful country led by one of the greatest presidents of our times.

Signed: A PROUD AMERICAN and APOSTOLIC ;)

[Cindy]

Dear brother Wackooo, :whistle I guess you know by now the bail out was defeated in the House not by the Democrats alone but also by the God chosen Republicans. I think we are in big trouble. This is not really a bail out but possibly something that would be good for our country and us.

We live in a wonderful country led by one of the greatest presidents of our times.

Signed: A PROUD AMERICAN and APOSTOLIC ;)

:usa :amen :fireworks

[tstew]

Dear brother Wackooo, :whistle I guess you know by now the bail out was defeated in the House not by the Democrats alone but also by the God chosen Republicans. I think we are in big trouble. This is not really a bail out but possibly something that would be good for our country and us.

We live in a wonderful country led by one of the greatest presidents of our times.

Signed: A PROUD AMERICAN and APOSTOLIC ;)

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[scotty]

Right wing wackoo ?




wackoo ?



You don't call me a wacko, you need to get it right,













It's NUT!!

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Right Wing NUT !!



And don't ever forget it ! :whistle

[Light]

Its apparent we dont have to ask... and btw you have proved yourself to be a wacko so I guess if the shoe fits.. oh and you have friends?! I didnt think most around here liked to hang out in the dark and that is definitely what you are!

There is nothing Amazing in what you have to say and surly no Grace!

[Sister Alvear]

AG...I personally know Light and his family they are wonderful people...

[Sister Alvear]

I don´t like politics...it is election time here for city councilmen and stuff like that...

[Light]

So let me speak on this right now....

Obama would have been in support of the plan that Barny Frank and Chris Dodd came up with that included putting Union members on a board to regulate how the 700 billion dollars was spent and would have given billions to ACORN a community organizing group that Obama worked with that has been pegged for voter fraud about a half dozen times or more.

This bill strips that out junk out. So I am with Mccain on that.

This bill cuts the amount of funding to 250 billion first, with another 100 Billon later, and any more for purchasing of assets would require additional congressional action.

It also creates a framework for an insurance plan that Wall Street will have to pay for themselves. So this plan is about have the wrong headed plan that GWB asked for, is even better than the terms the democrats wanted.

It is still NOT a freemarket plan that requires the banks that got us into this mess to pay for getting us out of this mess, but is a lot better than the alternatives. a

ALSO as Pete Sessions said today, NOT doing this plan, would end with the democrats passing their plan which would have been far worse.

so in the end we get a compromise bill with some freemarket solutions and some taxpayer protections instead of a bill that would have been pure socialist take over of the financial markets.

Good guys: Jeb Hinserling and a host of republicans in the House, supported by John McCain.
Bad guys: some Senate Republicans, George Bush, Henry Paulson, and ALL of the democrats including Barak Obama.



Ferd here is another time I agree with you. I am against the bail out. I know Obama is for it so what is new? What I am saying the Republicans that all of you on this site are so proud to vote for are not what you thought they were and what I always knew they were. They only pretend to be conservative.
By the way if you knew me personally you would find I'm probably as conservative as you.

[Light]

Dear brother Wackooo, :whistle I guess you know by now the bail out was defeated in the House not by the Democrats alone but also by the God chosen Republicans. I think we are in big trouble. This is not really a bail out but possibly something that would be good for our country and us.

We live in a wonderful country led by one of the greatest presidents of our times.
Signed: A PROUD AMERICAN and APOSTOLIC ;)

Is this what they call intelligence????????are you bipolar? Read what you wrote.

[Light]

AG...I personally know Light and his family they are wonderful people...

Thank you sister. We sent some mail to Br. Taylor today. The church is praying much for you and yours. I took your car for a drive Saterday. Haven't drove it in a while. It ran real good.

[Ferd]

Ferd here is another time I agree with you. I am against the bail out. I know Obama is for it so what is new? What I am saying the Republicans that all of you on this site are so proud to vote for are not what you thought they were and what I always knew they were. They only pretend to be conservative.
By the way if you knew me personally you would find I'm probably as conservative as you.

if memory serves I belive you are more constitutionalist than anyting no?

I am proud of our Texas Republican delication. they led the charge against this bailout....


and as for GWB as i said, far better than the other 2 options. has been good on some stuff (like the supreme court) but he has been dead wrong on this package.

[OP_Carl]

A wacko is someone who refuses to look at all sides of a subject both right and left.
I think you are being hypocritical when you use the argument they are my Br. and sisters. Where was your out rage when your republican friends that are the supposed br and sis. call those that differ from them communist?

If somebody is espousing communist views, it is not an insult or incorrect in any way to call them a communist.

However, if you just jump in here and call a broad group of people hypocrites, wackos, and name-callers, without validity or verification, you look an awful lot like a worthless trouble-making troll. I certainly hope you're not one of those.

[MissBrattified]

if memory serves I belive you are more constitutionalist than anyting no?

I am proud of our Texas Republican delication. they led the charge against this bailout....


and as for GWB as i said, far better than the other 2 options. has been good on some stuff (like the supreme court) but he has been dead wrong on this package.

Exactly!!!!!

[TRFrance]

If somebody is espousing communist views, it is not an insult or incorrect in any way to call them a communist.

However, if you just jump in here and call a broad group of people hypocrites, wackos, and name-callers, without validity or verification, you look an awful lot like a worthless trouble-making troll. I certainly hope you're not one of those.

Ouch.

[SOUNWORTHY]

AG...I personally know Light and his family they are wonderful people...

He certainly has me and a few other people fooled. I doubt anyone's walk that would vote for Obama and his stand on abortion, Gay rights and his association with Hollywood. Not to mention his Socialistic goals. I'm not sure why he hates President Bush so much. I think he will go down in history as one of America's strongest presidents. I feel that if someone knowingly votes for anyone with Obama's agenda they are guilty of the immoral crimes he stands for.

John McCain is not Bush, he is John McCain a real live American Hero who has given much for his country.

[SOUNWORTHY]

Is this what they call intelligence????????are you bipolar? Read what you wrote.

How do you really feel Brother Light? :ursofunny

[SOUNWORTHY]

Is this what they call intelligence????????are you bipolar? Read what you wrote.

I just went back and read it again, you mean you don't think:We live in a wonderful country? :snapout

[Light]

If somebody is espousing communist views, it is not an insult or incorrect in any way to call them a communist.

However, if you just jump in here and call a broad group of people hypocrites, wackos, and name-callers, without validity or verification, you look an awful lot like a worthless trouble-making troll. I certainly hope you're not one of those.

They were not espousing communist views, they were simply democrats that love this country as much as you or any of the other name callers. There are as many democrat as republicans that have bled and died for this country. If a person says they against the war the right wingers on this board say you are not patriotic, that you want terrorist to come in and kill people, that is simply stupidity. You call them baby killers yet your do nothing republicans refuse to try to overturn Roe V Wade. John McCain and Obama are the same as all politicians, liars.

You can not deny the name calling by the right on this board. There is post after post of that trash. I am just tired of hearing that trash.You and I are no better that any other person on this board and you sure don't love this country any more that I do.

[Light]

if memory serves I belive you are more constitutionalist than anyting no?

I am proud of our Texas Republican delication. they led the charge against this bailout....


and as for GWB as i said, far better than the other 2 options. has been good on some stuff (like the supreme court) but he has been dead wrong on this package.
I don't know if you remember but you tried to get me to tell you where I stood four years ago and I simply did not answer. Well here goes.
Ferd I am a yellow dog democrat that is against abortion I believe that homosexual are devil possessed not born that way. I am against welfare for every one except for a stop gap period of time. Unlike republicans I am against all corporate welfare. There are some programs on the democratic platform that I am for and some that I am not for. I have voted republican but soon came to regret it.

[AmazingGrace]

If somebody is espousing communist views, it is not an insult or incorrect in any way to call them a communist.

However, if you just jump in here and call a broad group of people hypocrites, wackos, and name-callers, without validity or verification, you look an awful lot like a worthless trouble-making troll. I certainly hope you're not one of those.

Well he says he isnt and others say it but I can truly say his character on here hasnt proved otherwise...

[SOUNWORTHY]

??????????
:evilglee Pardon my sense of humor!! :evilglee I try to be humorus to keep from crying when I think about what the liberals are doing to our Great Country !! You are an intelligent man and you know that. I'm scared. We are becoming another Sodom and Gomorrah. I realize it's not all the Democrats fault but their agenda scares me. If I vote for them I am agreeing with them. I am not against the war although I don't like war. I'd rather we fight the enemy there rather than here. The Bible says in the last days there will be wars and rumors of wars and I believe we are living in those days. We have lost over four thousand American troops in this war and that is bad but they died for something they believe in. At the same time there has been approximately 300,000 people killed on our highways. Plus 240,000 murders since 2002. That's approximately 540,000 people who have died without a cause.

[OP_Carl]

They were not espousing communist views, they were simply democrats that love this country as much as you or any of the other name callers. There are as many democrat as republicans that have bled and died for this country. Herein lies the difficulty: While you old-school Democrats weren't looking, the communists sneaked in and took over your party. What used to be fringe is now mainstream and setting the agenda. I understand, I truly do understand, the temptation to stick one's head in the sand and dream of yesteryear.

Whether average blue-collar Joe Democrat realizes it or not, he is now supporting a party that is pressing hard for many communist initiatives. The Communist Party USA supports Obama for President, for crying out loud.

So, while I understand that there is a continuum of Democratic thought, from hardcore leftist activist to nostalgic dupe, when somebody who is a Democrat for perhaps only one or two issues begins to cite party talking points, they start to sound an awful lot like a communist, or at least a communist sympathizer.

If a person says they against the war the right wingers on this board say you are not patriotic, that you want terrorist to come in and kill people, that is simply stupidity. The war is definitely a sticky issue. Its politicization and the associated name-calling are uncalled for.

You call them baby killers yet your do nothing republicans refuse to try to overturn Roe V Wade. This is incorrect. Several state legislatures tried to re-ban abortion after the Roberts and Alito confirmations, in an effort to do just that. There have been quite a few smaller milestones of pro-life progress. Hopefully you aren't surprised that they did not receive a lot of publicity. Republicans have been chipping away at this quietly, one piece at a time. It isn't going to happen in a large dramatic event, not yet, because not all Republicans are pro-life.

John McCain and Obama are the same as all politicians, liars. :bored
They aren't running for Pope, or General Superintendent.

You can not deny the name calling by the right on this board. There is post after post of that trash. I am just tired of hearing that trash. I don't deny it. It is just as much a discredit to a right-leaning INDIVIDUAL as it is to a left-leaning one. I hope I'm not being too subtle, here.
You and I are no better that any other person on this board and you sure don't love this country any more that I do.

If you love this country as much as you claim, you're probably fed up with Washington insider self-serving big-spending perpetual-growth-of-government politics as usual. There just happens to be a presidential ticket available containing two proven party-line-bucking reformers! :thumbsup

[Michael Phelps]

They were not espousing communist views, they were simply democrats that love this country as much as you or any of the other name callers. There are as many democrat as republicans that have bled and died for this country. If a person says they against the war the right wingers on this board say you are not patriotic, that you want terrorist to come in and kill people, that is simply stupidity. You call them baby killers yet your do nothing republicans refuse to try to overturn Roe V Wade. John McCain and Obama are the same as all politicians, liars.

You can not deny the name calling by the right on this board. There is post after post of that trash. I am just tired of hearing that trash.You and I are no better that any other person on this board and you sure don't love this country any more that I do.

Interesting that you would accuse others of name calling with the title of this thread YOU started.

[TRFrance]

You call them baby killers yet your do nothing republicans refuse to try to overturn Roe V Wade. John McCain and Obama are the same as all politicians, liars.



"Do nothing" Republicans?

What more do you want Republicans to do? A Republican Congress/Senate can not overturn Roe v Wade. Period. Only the Supreme Court can. The only way for Republicans to ever overturn Roe is to have a Republican president who appoints conservative judges to the Supreme Court. That is ALL "the Republicans" can do. Reagan, Bush 1, and Bush 2 all did what they could in that regard.

Sometimes, the appointees (like O'Connor/Souter) have acted less conservative on the court AFTER they got appointed to the Supreme Court than was expected when they were chosen. But you cant blame the President who appointed them. All the President can do is do the research, appoint the person in good faith, and then we see how they vote.

However, if abortion is ever to be overturned or severely restricted, it is only going to happen by way of conservative judges, and of course the only people who will appoint such judges are Republicans.

[TRFrance]

Interesting that you would accuse others of name calling with the title of this thread YOU started.
BANG!!!

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[AmazingGrace]

Interesting that you would accuse others of name calling with the title of this thread YOU started.

Oh but Michael... We dont know him... and he is a good person... and we dont have a right to judge him... Only he has the right to judge us I forgot that lil bit of MISinfo! LOL:snapout:club

[Sister Alvear]

Children, children...politics...politics...

Just think if we could all get that worked up to do something for an eternal cause...I guess I am wrong but my feeling are the stage is set and pieces are getting in place for something terrible to happen...when I don´t know...

I am sorry if I offended anyone...however we need to live in much prayer...For those that vote think it through...pray much.

I personally have a conviction on these issues but it is only my personal conviction...

[Sister Alvear]

Oh but Michael... We dont know him... and he is a good person... and we dont have a right to judge him... Only he has the right to judge us I forgot that lil bit of MISinfo! LOL:snapout:club


I was only trying to build a bridge over troubled waters...sorry if I said the wrong thing.

[AmazingGrace]

I was only trying to build a bridge over troubled waters...sorry if I said the wrong thing.

You are fine Sis... I was mainly referring to the things he said... you did nothing to be sorry for :)

Love you

[Michael Phelps]

You are fine Sis... I was mainly referring to the things he said... you did nothing to be sorry for :)

Love you

I'm not quite sure what Light's problem is, and I've never met him, but judging from his posts, he's a very angry, bitter, sarcastic and judgmental person.

If Sis. Alvear knows him to be different, I would not argue with her, but if he truly is different in real life than he is on here, he would be one of the few who could elude the "from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh" principle.

My guess is that he feels cheated somewhere along the way, maybe he's questioning his own beliefs, maybe feels like he's been holding on to the wrong thing. That's usually the root cause for an acidic attitude like this, in my experience.

But, hey, I may be full of hooey.:dance

[Baron1710]

Are you saying that I don't? Ask someone that knows before you accuse . Ask a republican friend of mine, Baron


Ferd here is another time I agree with you. I am against the bail out. I know Obama is for it so what is new? What I am saying the Republicans that all of you on this site are so proud to vote for are not what you thought they were and what I always knew they were. They only pretend to be conservative.
By the way if you knew me personally you would find I'm probably as conservative as you.


I don't know if you remember but you tried to get me to tell you where I stood four years ago and I simply did not answer. Well here goes.
Ferd I am a yellow dog democrat that is against abortion I believe that homosexual are devil possessed not born that way. I am against welfare for every one except for a stop gap period of time. Unlike republicans I am against all corporate welfare. There are some programs on the democratic platform that I am for and some that I am not for. I have voted republican but soon came to regret it.

I have to say these discussions were a lot more fun over breakfast. I believe you paid last time so if you happen to be visiting the Santa Maria area again this year we will be there from Christmas day until New Years day, and I will buy dinner - because breakfast isn't long enough to finish straightening you out.

[TRFrance]

Oh but Michael... We dont know him... and he is a good person... and we dont have a right to judge him... Only he has the right to judge us I forgot that lil bit of MISinfo! LOL:snapout:club

Thank you, AG. I was actually just thinking the same thing.

This is something I've noticed around here that just kills me...

Certain folks will come on here acting rudely and insultingly toward their fellow AFF members, but then there's always someone who comes around telling us that "he's really a nice person, if you only knew him like I do. That's not his real personality. Dont judge him too harshly. He's a sweetheart".

Well, I can only judge by a person by the words and attitudes they display . Personally, If I see a person repeatedly being obnoxious, uncouth, and boorish here on AFF, I'm going to assume that's the kind of person they are, until they show us otherwise.

[Light]

I have to say these discussions were a lot more fun over breakfast. I believe you paid last time so if you happen to be visiting the Santa Maria area again this year we will be there from Christmas day until New Years day, and I will buy dinner - because breakfast isn't long enough to finish straightening you out.

I will try my best to be there. I will even let you buy dinner as long as it is not at Jocko's. (To much noise for an old man)Do you really think there is a chance that you might straighten this OLD yellow dog out????:tease

[Light]

Thank you, AG. I was actually just thinking the same thing.

This is something I've noticed around here that just kills me...

Certain folks will come on here acting rudely and insultingly toward their fellow AFF members, but then there's always someone who comes around telling us that "he's really a nice person, if you only knew him like I do. That's not his real personality. Dont judge him too harshly. He's a sweetheart".

Well, I can only judge by a person by the words and attitudes they display . Personally, If I see a person repeatedly being obnoxious, uncouth, and boorish here on AFF, I'm going to assume that's the kind of person they are, until they show us otherwise.

TR you may be right, but on the other hand if I wanted to play the I got you game (take the time to cut & paste all the obnoxious and slanderous post's of others) I could do it, but what good would it do ? It would not change anything, they think their post's are just grand.
I will admit I could have chosen a better title for this thread, but that is water under the bridge and I can't (don't know how)change it.
So if you will forgive me I would appreciate it.

[tstew]

:evilglee Pardon my sense of humor!! :evilglee I try to be humorus to keep from crying when I think about what the liberals are doing to our Great Country !! You are an intelligent man and you know that. I'm scared. We are becoming another Sodom and Gomorrah. I realize it's not all the Democrats fault but their agenda scares me. If I vote for them I am agreeing with them. I am not against the war although I don't like war. I'd rather we fight the enemy there rather than here. The Bible says in the last days there will be wars and rumors of wars and I believe we are living in those days. We have lost over four thousand American troops in this war and that is bad but they died for something they believe in. At the same time there has been approximately 300,000 people killed on our highways. Plus 240,000 murders since 2002. That's approximately 540,000 people who have died without a cause.

Okay, I was kind of hoping that it was TIC...unfortunately there are some who would say that and it not be TIC. I was just wanting to be sure before I went off :)

[tstew]

Herein lies the difficulty: While you old-school Democrats weren't looking, the communists sneaked in and took over your party. What used to be fringe is now mainstream and setting the agenda. I understand, I truly do understand, the temptation to stick one's head in the sand and dream of yesteryear.
Whether average blue-collar Joe Democrat realizes it or not, he is now supporting a party that is pressing hard for many communist initiatives. The Communist Party USA supports Obama for President, for crying out loud.

So, while I understand that there is a continuum of Democratic thought, from hardcore leftist activist to nostalgic dupe, when somebody who is a Democrat for perhaps only one or two issues begins to cite party talking points, they start to sound an awful lot like a communist, or at least a communist sympathizer.

The war is definitely a sticky issue. Its politicization and the associated name-calling are uncalled for.

This is incorrect. Several state legislatures tried to re-ban abortion after the Roberts and Alito confirmations, in an effort to do just that. There have been quite a few smaller milestones of pro-life progress. Hopefully you aren't surprised that they did not receive a lot of publicity. Republicans have been chipping away at this quietly, one piece at a time. It isn't going to happen in a large dramatic event, not yet, because not all Republicans are pro-life.

:bored
They aren't running for Pope, or General Superintendent.

I don't deny it. It is just as much a discredit to a right-leaning INDIVIDUAL as it is to a left-leaning one. I hope I'm not being too subtle, here.


If you love this country as much as you claim, you're probably fed up with Washington insider self-serving big-spending perpetual-growth-of-government politics as usual. There just happens to be a presidential ticket available containing two proven party-line-bucking reformers! :thumbsup

OP, the same can be said of what the GOP has been doing to the religious right. I am convinced that this is what has been happening and they are able to accomplish this by giving us a few hot-button religious based issues to preoccupy ourselves with (that they have no intention of ever doing anything about)...while governing in a way that reflects their total lack of accountability to the conservatives. I am convinced that the GOP that you'll see in ten years will basically be the Democratic party of ten years ago.

[Sister Alvear]

I refrain from saying anymore...I was only trying to bring peace...

[Elizabeth]

I refrain from saying anymore...I was only trying to bring peace...

Don't let anyone get to you Sister Alvear-you have a right to say what you feel as much as anyone else.

[Michael Phelps]

I refrain from saying anymore...I was only trying to bring peace...

Sis. Alvear, your opinion is highly valued, and as I stated, if you know Light in a different way, I would not argue that at all.

Unfortunately, all the rest of us have to go on is the tenor of his posts.

[TRFrance]

Children, children...politics...politics...

Just think if we could all get that worked up to do something for an eternal cause...I guess I am wrong but my feeling are the stage is set and pieces are getting in place for something terrible to happen...when I don´t know...

I am sorry if I offended anyone...however we need to live in much prayer...For those that vote think it through...pray much.


Good post.
I agree with that.

If Obama wins, I'll accept that perhaps it was simply God's will. Even in the Bible we see where the Lord put godless kings in power, as part of his larger plan.

I expect that Obama, if he wins, will be a terrible president, but maybe it's the Lord's will for us to have a bad president, one who could end up dragging America (and the world?) deeper into the pit.

America is overdue for the judgment of God to fall. If this is all a part of God preparing judgment (and/or revival) for America, then so be it.

[Baron1710]

I will try my best to be there. I will even let you buy dinner as long as it is not at Jocko's. (To much noise for an old man)Do you really think there is a chance that you might straighten this OLD yellow dog out????:tease

You name the place, I will give it my best shot to get you straight. It will be a little late for this year but maybe I can get you ready for the next election.

[Light]

Good post.
I agree with that.

If Obama wins, I'll accept that perhaps it was simply God's will. Even in the Bible we see where the Lord put godless kings in power, as part of his larger plan.

I expect that Obama, if he wins, will be a terrible president, but maybe it's the Lord's will for us to have a bad president, one who could end up dragging America (and the world?) deeper into the pit.

America is overdue for the judgment of God to fall. If this is all a part of God preparing judgment (and/or revival) for America, then so be it.
What if the things in your post do not happen. What if he turns out to be a good president? What then?

[Light]

You name the place, I will give it my best shot to get you straight. It will be a little late for this year but maybe I can get you ready for the next election.

This has to be fair now. We have to have some rules. No ganging up, 4 to 1 is not fair.

[TRFrance]

What if the things in your post do not happen. What if he turns out to be a good president? What then?

If he does the things he said he plans to (including the things he says in the video below), then in my eyes he will be a bad president. Period.

The video: In 52 seconds... Why Obama Cannot Be President

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb6EE3C7uWE

[Ferd]

I would just like to point out that I am a right wing wacko.

I represent pretty much the far right of the political spectrium.... and I aint crazy, or violent, or willing to break a law or nuthen..... In fact, I am pretty much just a normal typical middle class American.

and I well represent the extreme (if you want to call it that) right.


You cant say that about the far left.

[tstew]

I would just like to point out that I am a right wing wacko.

I represent pretty much the far right of the political spectrium.... and I aint crazy, or violent, or willing to break a law or nuthen..... In fact, I am pretty much just a normal typical middle class American.

and I well represent the extreme (if you want to call it that) right.


You cant say that about the far left.

Ferd, I hate to burst your bubble...but you are not anywhere near the far right extremist. I know that is a blow to your ego, but it is true nonetheless:). There are some real wackos at the extreme of both sides of the spectrum.

[Ferd]

Ferd, I hate to burst your bubble...but you are not anywhere near the far right extremist. I know that is a blow to your ego, but it is true nonetheless:). There are some real wackos at the extreme of both sides of the spectrum.

well Stew, fact is, today someone has pointed to Sean Hanity as an example of the FAAR right.... there isnt a dimes worth of differnece between what Hanity articulates and what I believe.


Now you find me a contemporary right winger who is more hard right and we will compare notes. hows that?

[tstew]

well Stew, fact is, today someone has pointed to Sean Hanity as an example of the FAAR right.... there isnt a dimes worth of differnece between what Hanity articulates and what I believe.


Now you find me a contemporary right winger who is more hard right and we will compare notes. hows that?

No neither you or Hannity are far right extremists. You are certainly conservative, but the extremists on either side are crazy.

[Ferd]

No neither you or Hannity are far right extremists. You are certainly conservative, but the extremists on either side are crazy.

thats my point stew, I cant find any crazies on my side!

I sure would appreciate the help identifying them...i keep hearing about them but where are they?

lets both see if we can come up with a right wing group that is as messed up as ACORN (12 current investagations for voter fraud), where conservitives in congress has recently tried to get billions of taxpayer dollars for them....(Liberals tried this week to do this for ACORN)

Lets try to find a conservitive activists group that protested something in the last 3 months, was covered by mainstreme media and more than 5 of their members were tossed in jail for breaking the law....or for breaking stuff....
(Over 300 liberals were arrested for breaking windows and assaulting police during the Republican National Convention)


I will certainly do my best to find some group on the conservitive side that meets the criteria. Please help me! Cuz right now, I keep thinking im a right wing wacko (oh by the way Chuck Shumer has said that Hanity and those of us who believe like him are far right radicals who are outside of the mainstreme")

[DividedThigh]

i will institute an atmosphere of defeat in the united states so we can lose our freedom, yeah that sounds like obama, dt

[tstew]

thats my point stew, I cant find any crazies on my side!

I sure would appreciate the help identifying them...i keep hearing about them but where are they?

lets both see if we can come up with a right wing group that is as messed up as ACORN (12 current investagations for voter fraud), where conservitives in congress has recently tried to get billions of taxpayer dollars for them....(Liberals tried this week to do this for ACORN)

Lets try to find a conservitive activists group that protested something in the last 3 months, was covered by mainstreme media and more than 5 of their members were tossed in jail for breaking the law....or for breaking stuff....
(Over 300 liberals were arrested for breaking windows and assaulting police during the Republican National Convention)


I will certainly do my best to find some group on the conservitive side that meets the criteria. Please help me! Cuz right now, I keep thinking im a right wing wacko (oh by the way Chuck Shumer has said that Hanity and those of us who believe like him are far right radicals who are outside of the mainstreme")

Ferd, are you saying that you don't believe there are radical right wingers who consider themselves to be Republican?

[Ferd]

Ferd, are you saying that you don't believe there are radical right wingers who consider themselves to be Republican?

I am saying that there is a conspicuous absense of evidence that suggests the right is equal to the left in radical members.

I have given you 2 examples of radical left wing organizations/groups that have CONGRESSIONAL SUPPORT from ELECTED DEMOCRATS that are either in jail, or under indictment, for radical political behavior.

I have yet to find ANY such organization on the right. I am MORE than willling to back off if anyone can point to the same kind of thing from right wingers.


What I do know, is that when Liberals talk about crazy Right wing radicals, they either dont give examples or they give Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hanity, George Bush, Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfouwitz as the examples.

Not a single one of those guys has broken the law, 2 have been voted for by more than half the voters of this country and 2 of them have 20 million member radio listenership....

So help me out. help me find some crazy wacky rightwing groups. I would love to feel like I am mainstreme and not a radical!

[tstew]

I am saying that there is a conspicuous absense of evidence that suggests the right is equal to the left in radical members.

I have given you 2 examples of radical left wing organizations/groups that have CONGRESSIONAL SUPPORT from ELECTED DEMOCRATS that are either in jail, or under indictment, for radical political behavior.

I have yet to find ANY such organization on the right. I am MORE than willling to back off if anyone can point to the same kind of thing from right wingers.


What I do know, is that when Liberals talk about crazy Right wing radicals, they either dont give examples or they give Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hanity, George Bush, Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfouwitz as the examples.

Not a single one of those guys has broken the law, 2 have been voted for by more than half the voters of this country and 2 of them have 20 million member radio listenership....

So help me out. help me find some crazy wacky rightwing groups. I would love to feel like I am mainstreme and not a radical!

Ferd, I am not one to argue that extreme liberals are not crazy and are not rampant. Extreme liberalism is something that is spreading all over the world and in many spectrums from religion to politics.

I consider radical right wingers, the ones with the crazy race issues and things of that nature. The people you named may be blindly partisan to an extent but not radical in my opinion.

[Ferd]

Ferd, I am not one to argue that extreme liberals are not crazy and are not rampant. Extreme liberalism is something that is spreading all over the world and in many spectrums from religion to politics.

I consider radical right wingers, the ones with the crazy race issues and things of that nature. The people you named may be blindly partisan to an extent but not radical in my opinion.

And here is my point. those radical racists are repudiated by all conservitives. You would never see them garner support in congress.

To say they are radical right wingers may be accurate but they are not part of the conservitive/republican movement. They are rejected out right.

on the other side however, the rules are different. these radicals like ACORN GET MONEY FROM CONGRESS. Or at the very least, liberals in congress work to get them money. They have real clout in congress. These groups were the ones calling for loans to poor people everyone knew couldnt pay them back.... They have actual real support in our government. and they are radical and even law breakers.

There is no such animal in the conservitive side of the equasion.

[tstew]

And here is my point. those radical racists are repudiated by all conservitives. You would never see them garner support in congress.

To say they are radical right wingers may be accurate but they are not part of the conservitive/republican movement. They are rejected out right.

on the other side however, the rules are different. these radicals like ACORN GET MONEY FROM CONGRESS. Or at the very least, liberals in congress work to get them money. They have real clout in congress. These groups were the ones calling for loans to poor people everyone knew couldnt pay them back.... They have actual real support in our government. and they are radical and even law breakers.

There is no such animal in the conservitive side of the equasion.

I understand Ferd. My point was not to imply that radical left and radical right were mirror images of each other. My point was that I do not consider you to be radical right. I didn't mean to offend you with that :)

[crakjak]

The Bush (Ferds favorite prez.) is installing socialism and none of you right wingers are saying a word.

Your old boy Mr. McCan'tremember is signing on to this march to socialism but I don't hear you right wingers saying a word about this march to socialism.

You talk about people that speak with forked tongues the REPUBLICANS have mastered " man who speak with forked tongue". Oh yea "woman who speak with forked tongue"

You are wrong, the bill did not pass because conservatives called and emailed their representatives and told them if the voted for it the would throw them out in November. It shut down the phone lines and the website.

If the congress will keep their hands off the private sector will come in for the discounted paper and snap it up. Let the market work, the Demos have demanded these institutions give loans to folks that can't pay them long enough.

[OP_Carl]

OP, the same can be said of what the GOP has been doing to the religious right. I am convinced that this is what has been happening and they are able to accomplish this by giving us a few hot-button religious based issues to preoccupy ourselves with (that they have no intention of ever doing anything about)...while governing in a way that reflects their total lack of accountability to the conservatives. I am convinced that the GOP that you'll see in ten years will basically be the Democratic party of ten years ago.

So are you ready to charge down the hallowed halls of our ruling oligarchy with guns blazing and end this tyranny of special interests and corrupted purposes? :drawguns :guns :guns :guns :guns

Or are you just going to mope about and watch our freedoms slip away one by one like the rest of us?

It doesn't have to be so bleak. There is one truly hope-inspiring change agent in the mix: Governor Sarah Palin.

The trick is to get her into office before she's corrupted . . . . :hmmm

Realistically, it is too much to expect a happy ending. We have had too much government intervention in social and economic engines, for too long, to be able to simply stop. We are going to become a failed state, and the best that we can hope for is that we don't get nuked, and don't take as long to dig out as the Russians have.

When an economic crisis like this happens to a third world country they're told to privatize everything, remove all tariffs, stop public spending and devalue their currencies. We're busy trying to hand off $700,000,000,000 to one or two appointed officials, with BILLIONS of pork and earmarks stuffed into this supposedly emergency, stop-the-doomsday-countdown, RESCUE bill . . . :vomit

This is a manufactured crisis, with a bunch of politicization, posturing, and election-year grandstanding.

Haven't we just approved a $700 billion defense budget for the year?

[OP_Carl]

And here is my point. those radical racists are repudiated by all conservitives. You would never see them garner support in congress.

To say they are radical right wingers may be accurate but they are not part of the conservitive/republican movement. They are rejected out right.

on the other side however, the rules are different. these radicals like ACORN GET MONEY FROM CONGRESS. Or at the very least, liberals in congress work to get them money. They have real clout in congress. These groups were the ones calling for loans to poor people everyone knew couldnt pay them back.... They have actual real support in our government. and they are radical and even law breakers.

There is no such animal in the conservitive side of the equasion.

In agree with you, Ferd.
:thumbsup

[Pastor Keith]

A wacko is someone who refuses to look at all sides of a subject both right and left.
I think you are being hypocritical when you use the argument they are my Br. and sisters. Where was your out rage when your republican friends that are the supposed br and sis. call those that differ from them communist?

Its called Federalism, a form of government that Jefferson railed against and Hamilton fell in love with, goes way back before the days of Socialism.
Started with the first Federal chartered bank.

[jaxfam6]

Right wing wacko's? Are you unaware that the people who post here are also your brothers and sisters in Christ?
What exactly are you referring to? Links/sources, if you don't mind. :coffee2


Maybe not missb. May they do not serve the real Christ. You know, the one we all serve. =)
That could be the answer to why they could use such language/names against someone.

[AmazingGrace]

Maybe not missb. May they do not serve the real Christ. You know, the one we all serve. =)
That could be the answer to why they could use such language/names against someone.

Sounds very possible. Some people never cease to amaze me!