((((( Assassination Attempt on Obama)))))

[StMark]

DId you hear about the neo Nazis attempting to asassinate
Obama in TN?????

[TRFrance]

FBI Disrupts Skinhead Plot to Asassinate Obama

NBC News and news services
updated 3:38 p.m. ET, Mon., Oct. 27, 2008

...According to the court records, the pair discussed robbing a gun shop in order to gather weapons and ammunition to use in a "killing spree."

The defendants allegedly further discussed their killing spree to include targeting a predominately African-American school, and to continue their spree until it culminated with an attempt to assassinate Obama.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27405681/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27405681/)

[JTULLOCK]

America would be a horrible place if Obama were to win and the get assasinated. I hope he doesn't win, but God has control. But if he were to be assasinated after the election or before it would not be good for America, IMO

[deacon blues]

A Presidential assassination is never good for America.

[rgcraig]

I bet they are going to have to double the Secret Service. They are taking every little thing serious.

Just saw this report too:

http://www.lufkindailynews.com/search/content/news/stories/2008/10/07/secret_service.html

[Newman]

Hmm...

How coincidental that this makes headlines the day a very damaging Obama video comes out....

In the first place; the plan is ridiculous. The two hillbillies? couldn't possibly do what they were proposing. They could not go into a school and attempt to kill students and have any shot of then getting to Obama. Only someone totally ignorant could think otherwise.

So then, I wonder how the police found out. What tipped them off? The best I have read so far is that they had written with chalk, some numbers and a swastika on their car and within 24 hours they were taken in for questioning.

When questioned SEPARATELY (and this is the really strange thing) they BOTH appear to confess to the same scheme. Why would they tell? And how is it that they both tell the same story rather than one or the other of them denying it or making it something different to save their own skin?

I am suspicous of identical answers that are so incriminating with their necks on the line.

Until more information is revealed; something seems fishy...

[tstew]

Hmm...

How coincidental that this makes headlines the day a very damaging Obama video comes out....
In the first place; the plan is ridiculous. The two hillbillies? couldn't possibly do what they were proposing. They could not go into a school and attempt to kill students and have any shot of then getting to Obama. Only someone totally ignorant could think otherwise.

So then, I wonder how the police found out. What tipped them off? The best I have read so far is that they had written with chalk, some numbers and a swastika on their car and within 24 hours they were taken in for questioning.

When questioned SEPARATELY (and this is the really strange thing) they BOTH appear to confess to the same scheme. Why would they tell? And how is it that they both tell the same story rather than one or the other of them denying it or making it something different to save their own skin?

I am suspicous of identical answers that are so incriminating with their necks on the line.

Until more information is revealed; something seems fishy...

Which video?

[Newman]

Which video?

Are you suggesting that the Redistributive Wealth audio video of Obama talking about ECONOMIC JUSTICE otherwise known as "Redistribuion of the Wealth" isn't damaging to his campain?

[tstew]

Are you suggesting that the Redistributive Wealth audio video of Obama talking about ECONOMIC JUSTICE otherwise known as "Redistribuion of the Wealth" isn't damaging to his campain?

No, I was just suggesting that I did not know which video you were talking about. Period. It really makes things tough when people are reading so much more into what you're asking. I have seen so many videos like that that I was wondering if there was some grand video that I had not seen out there.

[Newman]

No, I was just suggesting that I did not know which video you were talking about. Period. It really makes things tough when people are reading so much more into what you're asking. I have seen so many videos like that that I was wondering if there was some grand video that I had not seen out there.

I am sorry for misunderstanding. I am excited that Americans finally have Obama's own words to judge his mindset by and are now able to put his other associations in perspective. (Since so many refused to judge him on the basis of the company he kept in and of itself- which had been enough for me).

[Praxeas]

DId you hear about the neo nazis attempting to assinate
Obama in TN?????

:laffatu

[tstew]

I am sorry for misunderstanding. I am excited that Americans finally have Obama's own words to judge his mindset by and are now able to put his other associations in perspective. (Since so many refused to judge him on the basis of the company he kept in and of itself- which had been enough for me).

I have not even seen the video. I'll try to go back and watch it. Frankly, there have been so many videos and allegations that I am not sure any of it will carry much weight at this point. There have been many sensible people even here on this forum who have cautioned against all the wild accusations and repeating of lies and trivial name-calling etc, because it would eventually generate a "crying wolf" response from the average observer.

[TRFrance]

I am sorry for misunderstanding. I am excited that Americans finally have Obama's own words to judge his mindset by and are now able to put his other associations in perspective. (Since so many refused to judge him on the basis of the company he kept in and of itself- which had been enough for me).

It might be a little too late for any video or new revelation to make a difference at this point.

I think very few minds are going to be changed 8 days away from the elections.

[Mrs. LPW]

... and the fact remains, even if a video emerged it wouldn't get much play on most news networks. The majority are liberal biased and have thier decision already made. I think if Obama wins this election, first on his list of thank you's should be the liberal media.

[Newman]

It might be a little too late for any video or new revelation to make a difference at this point.

I think very few minds are going to be changed 8 days away from the elections.

My husband feels the same way you do. I still remember traveling to the Soviet Union in the early 80's and being SHOCKED by how the average person lived compared to our poorest Americans.

I remember the oppressiveness of it in contrast to visiting China in the late 80's where the government was loosening its grip a bit and allowing little pieces of capitalism. The people were bubbling and there was real hope.

My son visited the same city, Shanghai, that we had been to just a bit under 20 years earlier. I could not believe the video he brought home. Instead of three tall buildings that were there when we were; there was now a city of what seemed to be the magnitude of New York.

Instead of thousands upon thousands of bicycles, there were cars. China by embracing a bit of capitalism has come along way.

Too bad America has failed to appreciate its abundance. One day we may all remember when...

[TRFrance]

... and the fact remains, even if a video emerged it wouldn't get much play on most news networks. The majority are liberal biased and have thier decision already made. I think if Obama wins this election, first on his list of thank you's should be the liberal media.

This article says it all right here: [/URL]
Media's Presidential Bias and Decline

Columnist Michael Malone Looks at Slanted Election Coverage and the Reasons Why

The traditional media are playing a very, very dangerous game -- with their readers, with the Constitution and with their own fates. .

The sheer bias in the print and television coverage of this election campaign is not just bewildering, but appalling. And over the last few months I've found myself slowly moving from shaking my head at the obvious one-sided reporting, to actually shouting at the screen of my television and my laptop computer.

But worst of all, for the last couple weeks, I've begun -- for the first time in my adult life -- to be embarrassed to admit what I do for a living. A few days ago, when asked by a new acquaintance what I did for a living, I replied that I was "a writer," because I couldn't bring myself to admit to a stranger that I'm a journalist.

[url]http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Story?id=6099188&page=1 (http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Story?id=6099188&page=1)

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[Mrs. LPW]

This article says it all right here: [/URL]
Media's Presidential Bias and Decline

Columnist Michael Malone Looks at Slanted Election Coverage and the Reasons Why

The traditional media are playing a very, very dangerous game -- with their readers, with the Constitution and with their own fates. .

The sheer bias in the print and television coverage of this election campaign is not just bewildering, but appalling. And over the last few months I've found myself slowly moving from shaking my head at the obvious one-sided reporting, to actually shouting at the screen of my television and my laptop computer.

But worst of all, for the last couple weeks, I've begun -- for the first time in my adult life -- to be embarrassed to admit what I do for a living. A few days ago, when asked by a new acquaintance what I did for a living, I replied that I was "a writer," because I couldn't bring myself to admit to a stranger that I'm a journalist.

[url]http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Story?id=6099188&page=1 (http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Story?id=6099188&page=1)

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An honest journalist!!!

See my "Irritated" thread!

[TRFrance]

My husband feels the same way you do. I still remember traveling to the Soviet Union in the early 80's and being SHOCKED by how the average person lived compared to our poorest Americans.

I remember the oppressiveness of it in contrast to visiting China in the late 80's where the government was loosening its grip a bit and allowing little pieces of capitalism. The people were bubbling and there was real hope.

My son visited the same city, Shanghai, that we had been to just a bit under 20 years earlier. I could not believe the video he brought home. Instead of three tall buildings that were there when we were; there was now a city of what seemed to be the magnitude of New York.

Instead of thousands upon thousands of bicycles, there were cars. China by embracing a bit of capitalism has come along way.

Too bad America has failed to appreciate its abundance. One day we may all remember when...
Interesting.

Its like the US and China are going in opposite directions.

[Newman]

This article says it all right here: [/URL]
Media's Presidential Bias and Decline

Columnist Michael Malone Looks at Slanted Election Coverage and the Reasons Why

The traditional media are playing a very, very dangerous game -- with their readers, with the Constitution and with their own fates. .

The sheer bias in the print and television coverage of this election campaign is not just bewildering, but appalling. And over the last few months I've found myself slowly moving from shaking my head at the obvious one-sided reporting, to actually shouting at the screen of my television and my laptop computer.

But worst of all, for the last couple weeks, I've begun -- for the first time in my adult life -- to be embarrassed to admit what I do for a living. A few days ago, when asked by a new acquaintance what I did for a living, I replied that I was "a writer," because I couldn't bring myself to admit to a stranger that I'm a journalist.

[url]http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Story?id=6099188&page=1 (http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Story?id=6099188&page=1)

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Very interesting commentary written by a real journalist.

[Newman]

Interesting.

Its like the US and China are going in opposite directions.

Indeed. Hong Kong which reverted from British rule due to a hundred year lease and back to China's control in the late 80s or early 90s has remained free of China domination because China recognized that the free economy was essential to its continued prosperity and for China's overall benefit (according to a citizen of Hong Kong/China who was in my home last week). ;)

[Newman]

This post was on another site but shares my skeptism about this story.

The guy in the picture is no skinhead......... A friend of my wife's daughter married a skinhead. I was worried about going to the wedding and felt uneasy around the groom and his friends. The guy in the picture with the asualt rifle does not look like the shinheads I met. All of the real skinheads had shaved heads and goatees. The wannabe in the picture has a patch of hair and a clean chin. If you look close he has eye makeup and lipstick. What kind of political farce is this????? The wedding was in Maryland. Maybe the Maryland skinheads are different than the Tennessee skinheads. I cannot imagine white supremists in makeup. I think that those involved in this story from the FBI to the "skinheads" needs to be investigated for political intent. This story smells. Will charges be droppes after the election

[rgcraig]

Watching the local news about these two yahoo's I believe it's true. They are just redneck, stupid guys. There was a lot of footage about their plans and what they've been doing to prepare for it.

They wouldn't have ever pulled it off because they are idiots.

http://www.wmctv.com/global/story.asp?s=9248621

[OP_Carl]

It might be a little too late for any video or new revelation to make a difference at this point.

I think very few minds are going to be changed 8 days away from the elections.

Most polls are showing something in the ballpark of 12% undecided.

I daresay it CAN make a difference.

Take heart.

Or liver.

[Jermyn Davidson]

This is sad. The 18 yr old "man" looks like a boy trying to hold his daddy's gun.

I hope the media does not "glorify" these knuckleheads with more than 15 seconds of fame. I'd hate to inspire more hateful idiots.

[TRFrance]

Hmm...

How coincidental that this makes headlines the day a very damaging Obama video comes out....

In the first place; the plan is ridiculous. The two hillbillies? couldn't possibly do what they were proposing. They could not go into a school and attempt to kill students and have any shot of then getting to Obama. Only someone totally ignorant could think otherwise.

So then, I wonder how the police found out. What tipped them off? The best I have read so far is that they had written with chalk, some numbers and a swastika on their car and within 24 hours they were taken in for questioning.

When questioned SEPARATELY (and this is the really strange thing) they BOTH appear to confess to the same scheme. Why would they tell? And how is it that they both tell the same story rather than one or the other of them denying it or making it something different to save their own skin?

I am suspicous of identical answers that are so incriminating with their necks on the line.

Until more information is revealed; something seems fishy...

Lets get real for a minute, Newman. Because you think they're hillbillies, they couldnt have pulled off an assasination of a President? I dont care how many Secret Service agents are on the scene, if you're a good marksman, and you're in the right location, you can do it. Remember Lee Harvey Oswald?

I think this kid might have been crazy enough and determined enough to do it.
http://ap.google.com/media/ALeqM5heTOui3d2W27Pme3cG6JRy3ES3VQ?size=m

Watching the local news about these two yahoo's I believe it's true. They are just redneck, stupid guys. There was a lot of footage about their plans and what they've been doing to prepare for it.

They wouldn't have ever pulled it off because they are idiots.

http://www.wmctv.com/global/story.asp?s=9248621
I'm sure people would have thought the same thing about Oswald too, before he shot John F Kennedy. Or John Hinckley Jr, before he shot Reagan.

[Subdued]

Get real for a minute. Because you think they're hillbillies, they couldnt have pulled off an assasination of a president? I dont care how many Secret Service agents are on the scene, if you're a good marksman, and you're in the right location, you can do it. Remember Lee Harvey Oswald?

I think this kid might have been crazy enough and determined enough to do it.

I'm sure people would have thought the same thing about Oswald too, before he shot John F Kennedy. Or John Hinckley Jr, before he shot Reagan.

Good point(s), TRFrance.

Newman, I agreed with you until I read TRFrance's post & then thought of Lynette 'Squeaky' Fromme.

http://crime.about.com/od/murder/p/squeaky.htm

So, who knows.

[Pressing-On]

Good point(s), TRFrance.

Newman, I agreed with you until I read TRFrance's post & then thought of Lynette 'Squeaky' Fromme.

http://crime.about.com/od/murder/p/squeaky.htm

So, who knows.

I agree! I forgot about Fromme. Wow, so long ago.

The guy in TRFrance's post certainly looks willing an capable. This gang mentality in this country is something else. All the youth want to belong to something, to feel of value, to have a family in a divided family culture we find our country in.

[Newman]

Good point(s), TRFrance.

Newman, I agreed with you until I read TRFrance's post & then thought of Lynette 'Squeaky' Fromme.

http://crime.about.com/od/murder/p/squeaky.htm

So, who knows.


The difference between these knuckleheads and Fromme is that she was being masterfully manipulated by someone who knew the score; whereas these two bungling idiots appear to be right out of the three stooges.

I think they were living in a world of make believe or crying for attention so they would get caught and get their 15 minutes of fame.

[Newman]

Lets get real for a minute, Newman. Because you think they're hillbillies, they couldnt have pulled off an assasination of a President? I dont care how many Secret Service agents are on the scene, if you're a good marksman, and you're in the right location, you can do it. Remember Lee Harvey Oswald?

I think this kid might have been crazy enough and determined enough to do it.
http://ap.google.com/media/ALeqM5heTOui3d2W27Pme3cG6JRy3ES3VQ?size=m


I'm sure people would have thought the same thing about Oswald too, before he shot John F Kennedy. Or John Hinckley Jr, before he shot Reagan.

Although the picture may appear ominous at first glance; I think a closer look reveals someone crying for attention.

1. Having a gun in the south or west is NO BIG DEAL. The skinhead (not)! does not have a completely shaven head and is wearing make up. NO respectible skinhead would be caught dead with him!

2. Their confessions (which is the crux of the evidence against them for very serious crimes they admitted to planning) were totally unnecesary for them to admit to. Why would they BOTH tell the story?

3. I don't think either of the men you mention drew attention to themselves by putting swastikas on their car and planning a presidential assination that would take place after a crime wave that would have resulted in their death or a nationwide obssession with them.

These kids were bungling idiots who lacked real intent to do anything of real consequence but thought dressing up in white top hats might be cool. IMO

[tstew]

Although the picture may appear ominous at first glance; I think a closer look reveals someone crying for attention.
I would argue that that is perhaps true with every young mass killer/highschool shooter.

1. Having a gun in the south or west is NO BIG DEAL. The skinhead (not)! does not have a completely shaven head and is wearing make up. NO respectible skinhead would be caught dead with him!
That gun is a bit much even for the south.


2. Their confessions (which is the crux of the evidence against them for very serious crimes they admitted to planning) were totally unnecesary for them to admit to. Why would they BOTH tell the story?

3. I don't think either of the men you mention drew attention to themselves by putting swastikas on their car and planning a presidential assination that would take place after a crime wave that would have resulted in their death or a nationwide obssession with them.

These kids were bungling idiots who lacked real intent to do anything of real consequence but thought dressing up in white top hats might be cool. IMO

I agree that their ultimate plan had very little chance of success although they could have done considerable damage in a school. I am thankful that none of it came to fruition. I am sure that no matter what school they were planning to hit, there are plenty of praying parents who have been blessed and don't even know it.

[Newman]

I would argue that that is perhaps true with every young mass killer/highschool shooter.

That gun is a bit much even for the south.



I agree that their ultimate plan had very little chance of success although they could have done considerable damage in a school. I am thankful that none of it came to fruition. I am sure that no matter what school they were planning to hit, there are plenty of praying parents who have been blessed and don't even know it.


1. True about those who go into their own schools and shoot it up. Don't know that I have ever seen or heard of someone who looks like they want attention going into a school that is not their own to harm the student body.

2. I really wouldn't have a clue about rather that particular gun is out of place in the south or not. If it is rare for gun owners in the south, then I would find them a bit more dangerous than I regard them now.

3. I too am thankful that nothing came of this. However, in reading about their activies to date I can't imagine them having gone forward. They take the cake for stupidity and their joint preposterous confessions in which they seal their fates are UNBELIEVABLE.

[deacon blues]

Thank You Admin for cleaning up the spelling of "assassination" in the title! Drove me nuts every time I saw it!

[Scott Hutchinson]

Check this out.
http://clarkecounty.mediacomtoday.com/community/news/story/index.php?source=National&id=D943OP0G0&pd=20081028

[Sherri]

Check this out.
http://clarkecounty.mediacomtoday.com/community/news/story/index.php?source=National&id=D943OP0G0&pd=20081028
Good grief! I just saw that this guy is from Bells. That's like ten minutes from me!

[Jermyn Davidson]

Good grief! I just saw that this guy is from Bells. That's like ten minutes from me!

Don't you wish these numbskulls and their plan had nothing to do with TN?

[IsolatedSaint]

Hmm...

How coincidental that this makes headlines the day a very damaging Obama video comes out....

In the first place; the plan is ridiculous. The two hillbillies? couldn't possibly do what they were proposing. They could not go into a school and attempt to kill students and have any shot of then getting to Obama. Only someone totally ignorant could think otherwise.

So then, I wonder how the police found out. What tipped them off? The best I have read so far is that they had written with chalk, some numbers and a swastika on their car and within 24 hours they were taken in for questioning.

When questioned SEPARATELY (and this is the really strange thing) they BOTH appear to confess to the same scheme. Why would they tell? And how is it that they both tell the same story rather than one or the other of them denying it or making it something different to save their own skin?

I am suspicous of identical answers that are so incriminating with their necks on the line.

Until more information is revealed; something seems fishy...

This is just hogwash plain and simple.....there was no assassination attempt.......I guess the powers that be are testing us just to see how stupid we really are to believe such nonsense. Inside job, people. The govt. made this all up.....it's all a show. If the powers that be want Obama assassinated they'll do it without any hype or pre-fanfare.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Newman,

They are definitely on lock down for some reason:

http://usnews.feedroom.com/?fr_story=e7279093f9acd2dabf3c5db1ff36971210cc56c9&rf=rss


23 hours/ day in confinement.
fine, possibly up to $540,000.00

[Cindy]

I would take any threat of assassination seriously, to not do so would be idiotic. It only takes one well aimed shot, by anyone with a conceived wrong.