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Falla39
10-31-2008, 09:41 AM
John Hawkins

Friday, October 31, 2008

1) John McCain doesn't believe we should raise taxes on anybody during a recession. Obama does and that will prolong our economic woes.

2) John McCain has been endorsed by the NRA. Barack Obama once supported a complete ban on the manufacture and ownership of handguns in America.

3) John McCain co-sponsored a bill to fix Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac back in 2005. Had it passed, we wouldn't have had a bailout crisis. Obama took in the 2nd largest amount of money from Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac. In other words, McCain tried to fix the problem while Obama was in the back pocket of the shady operators who cost the American people over 700 billion dollars.

4) Barney Frank has promised a 25% cut in defense spending if Barack Obama gets into office. John McCain would not support that policy.

5) Both Barack Obama and John McCain publicly pledged to take public financing for their campaigns. McCain kept his word. Obama lied. If he will lie to the American people about that, what else is he lying about?

6) Barack Obama has received hundreds of millions of dollars in earmarks, including a million dollar earmark for his wife's hospital. John McCain has never taken an earmark.

7) John McCain's health care plan will make health care more affordable, cover more people, and will keep the market in control. Barack Obama's plan for socialized medicine will put government bureaucrats in charge, will lead to long wait times for operations and lead to a poorer quality of health care. If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see how much it costs under Barack Obama when it's "free."

8) Barack Obama says he doesn't want his daughters "punished" with a baby and that abortion is "above my pay grade." Do you think a baby is punishment? Do you think abortion is above Sarah Palin's pay grade?

9) Sarah Palin is a conservative reformer who has taken on oil companies and her own party as a mayor and a governor. Joe Biden is a career Washington insider with no executive experience who's most famous for gaffes, making things up, and being on the wrong side of almost every foreign policy issue from Vietnam to the surge.

10) Barack Obama spent twenty years going to an anti-white, anti-American church run by Jeremiah Wright.
He didn't go to that church for so long because he disagreed with the message.

11) John McCain once fought for our country in Vietnam. Barack Obama has never fought for anything but his own career.

12) John McCain has literally had to decide whether to go home from a POW camp or stay and be tortured. He made the right decision. Barack Obama's first tough decision will be made in the White House.

13) John McCain pals around with Joe Lieberman, Lindsey Graham, Sarah Palin, and Phil Gramm. Barack Obama has "pal'd" around with Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Michael Pfleger, Frank Davis, and Tony Rezko. What does that say about each man's character?

14) John McCain always holds his hand over his heart for the national anthem and has never refused to wear a flag pin after calling it a "substitute for, I think, true patriotism." Do we really want to have the first President in our history who doesn't love his country?

15) For good or ill, John McCain is a moderate, but Barack Obama was the most liberal senator in America in 2007. Do you trust someone that liberal to run the country?

16) When there's an international crisis at 3 A.M. and the phone rings, you can't vote "present."

17) This is what Barack Obama thinks of Americans who live in small towns,
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
How can someone, who thinks so little of people who don't live in big cities, truly represent all Americans in the White House?

18) Do you really want to spend the next four years listening to Barack Obama's supporters cry "racism" every time somebody criticizes or disagrees with him?

19) The mainstream media has been more biased than at any time in our lifetimes for Obama and they've launched an absolutely unprecedented smear campaign against Sarah Palin -- and worse yet, Sarah Palin's family. Do you want to reward and encourage more of that kind of behavior in the future by putting Barack Obama in the White House?

20) Barack Obama is a socialist who wants to "spread the wealth around." John McCain wants to spread the opportunity around instead of making people dependent on government.

21) John McCain has promised no more bailouts. Barack Obama has not.

22) John McCain favors judges who will stick to the Constitution. Barack Obama says he wants judges with "empathy." Would you want an umpire of a baseball game who sticks to the rules or one who has "empathy?"

23) McCain has promised to balance the budget in four years and whether he makes it or not, he will undoubtedly cut spending. Obama will run trillion dollar deficits. You do the math.

24) We have the 2nd highest corporate tax rate in the world and it is driving our companies overseas. John McCain wants to cut the tax to keep businesses in the U.S. and create jobs. Barack Obama does not.

25) Barack Obama will sign the Union Card Check Bill that will end the right to secret ballots for union members, thereby crippling more American industries via unionization. The unions are destroying the Big 3 automakers and the airline industry -- ---and under Obama, they'll be a further drag on the American economy. Furthermore, since when do we give up the right to have a secret ballot in America? John McCain opposes the Union Card Check Bill.

26) Barack Obama will sign the Fairness Doctrine into law, which is solely designed to drive conservative radio hosts off the air. When did we start trying to win political contests in this country by preventing our political opponents from being heard? John McCain opposes the Fairness Doctrine.

27) Barack Obama wants to force gay marriage on the whole country via the court system, which is why he favors overturning the Defense of Marriage Act. John McCain thinks marriage should be between a man and a woman, which is why he supports leaving DOMA in place.

28) John McCain favored the surge. Barack Obama did not. So, if Barack Obama had been President over the last four years, we would have already lost the war in Iraq.

29) Barack Obama wants to leave Iraq in 16 months, whether we win or not. John McCain doesn't want to risk seeing the victory our troops have bled and died for thrown away for politics' sake.

30) It would literally be dangerous to the future of our country to have a large Democratic majority in the House, a large majority in the Senate, and Obama in the White House.


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hometown guy
10-31-2008, 09:52 AM
John Hawkins

Friday, October 31, 2008

1) John McCain doesn't believe we should raise taxes on anybody during a recession. Obama does and that will prolong our economic woes.

2) John McCain has been endorsed by the NRA. Barack Obama once supported a complete ban on the manufacture and ownership of
handguns in America.

3) John McCain co-sponsored a bill to fix Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac back in 2005. Had it passed, we wouldn't have had a bailout crisis.
Obama took in the 2nd largest amount of money from Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac. In other words, McCain tried to fix the problem while Obama
was in the back pocket of the shady operators who cost the American people over 700 billion dollars.

4) Barney Frank has promised a 25% cut in defense spending if Barack Obama gets into office. John McCain would not support that policy.

5) Both Barack Obama and John McCain publicly pledged to take public financing for their campaigns. McCain kept his word. Obama lied.
If he will lie to the American people about that, what else is he lying about?

6) Barack Obama has received hundreds of millions of dollars in earmarks, including a million dollar earmark for his wife's hospital.
John McCain has never taken an earmark.

7) John McCain's health care plan will make health care more affordable, cover more people, and will keep the market in control.
Barack Obama's plan for socialized medicine will put government bureaucrats in charge, will lead to long wait times for operations
and lead to a poorer quality of health care. If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see how much it costs under
Barack Obama when it's "free."

8) Barack Obama says he doesn't want his daughters "punished" with a baby and that abortion is "above my pay grade."
Do you think a baby is punishment? Do you think abortion is above Sarah Palin's pay grade?

9) Sarah Palin is a conservative reformer who has taken on oil companies and her own party as a mayor and a governor.
Joe Biden is a career Washington insider with no executive experience who's most famous for gaffes, making things up,
and being on the wrong side of almost every foreign policy issue from Vietnam to the surge.

10) Barack Obama spent twenty years going to an anti-white, anti-American church run by Jeremiah Wright.
He didn't go to that church for so long because he disagreed with the message.

11) John McCain once fought for our country in Vietnam. Barack Obama has never fought for anything but his own career.

12) John McCain has literally had to decide whether to go home from a POW camp or stay and be tortured. He made the right decision.
Barack Obama's first tough decision will be made in the White House.

13) John McCain pals around with Joe Lieberman, Lindsey Graham, Sarah Palin, and Phil Gramm. Barack Obama has "pal'd" around
with Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Michael Pfleger, Frank Davis, and Tony Rezko. What does that say about each man's character?

14) John McCain always holds his hand over his heart for the national anthem and has never refused to wear a flag pin after calling it
a "substitute for, I think, true patriotism." Do we really want to have the first President in our history who doesn't love his country?

15) For good or ill, John McCain is a moderate, but Barack Obama was the most liberal senator in America in 2007.
Do you trust someone that liberal to run the country?

16) When there's an international crisis at 3 A.M. and the phone rings, you can't vote "present."

17) This is what Barack Obama thinks of Americans who live in small towns,
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant
sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
How can someone, who thinks so little of people who don't live in big cities, truly represent all Americans in the White House?

18) Do you really want to spend the next four years listening to Barack Obama's supporters cry "racism" every time somebody criticizes or disagrees with him?

19) The mainstream media has been more biased than at any time in our lifetimes for Obama and they've launched an absolutely
unprecedented smear campaign against Sarah Palin -- and worse yet, Sarah Palin's family. Do you want to reward and encourage
more of that kind of behavior in the future by putting Barack Obama in the White House?

20) Barack Obama is a socialist who wants to "spread the wealth around." John McCain wants to spread the opportunity around
instead of making people dependent on government.

21) John McCain has promised no more bailouts. Barack Obama has not.

22) John McCain favors judges who will stick to the Constitution. Barack Obama says he wants judges with "empathy."
Would you want an umpire of a baseball game who sticks to the rules or one who has "empathy?"

23) McCain has promised to balance the budget in four years and whether he makes it or not, he will undoubtedly cut spending.
Obama will run trillion dollar deficits. You do the math.

24) We have the 2nd highest corporate tax rate in the world and it is driving our companies overseas. John McCain wants to cut
the tax to keep businesses in the U.S. and create jobs. Barack Obama does not.

25) Barack Obama will sign the Union Card Check Bill that will end the right to secret ballots for union members, thereby crippling
more American industries via unionization. The unions are destroying the Big 3 automakers and the airline industry --
---and under Obama, they'll be a further drag on the American economy. Furthermore, since when do we give up the right to have
a secret ballot in America? John McCain opposes the Union Card Check Bill.

26) Barack Obama will sign the Fairness Doctrine into law, which is solely designed to drive conservative radio hosts off the air.
When did we start trying to win political contests in this country by preventing our political opponents from being heard?
John McCain opposes the Fairness Doctrine.

27) Barack Obama wants to force gay marriage on the whole country via the court system, which is why he favors overturning
the Defense of Marriage Act. John McCain thinks marriage should be between a man and a woman, which is why he supports leaving
DOMA in place.

28) John McCain favored the surge. Barack Obama did not. So, if Barack Obama had been President over the last four years,
we would have already lost the war in Iraq.

29) Barack Obama wants to leave Iraq in 16 months, whether we win or not. John McCain doesn't want to risk seeing the victory
our troops have bled and died for thrown away for politics' sake.

30) It would literally be dangerous to the future of our country to have a large Democratic majority in the House,
a large majority in the Senate, and Obama in the White House.


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some good Reasons To Vote For John McCain

George
10-31-2008, 10:09 AM
You have convinced me! Palin and that old guy have my vote.

Light
10-31-2008, 10:35 AM
John Hawkins

Friday, October 31, 2008

1) John McCain doesn't believe we should raise taxes on anybody during a recession. Obama does and that will prolong our economic woes.

2) John McCain has been endorsed by the NRA. Barack Obama once supported a complete ban on the manufacture and ownership of
handguns in America.


Sister do you check these positions out before you post them. You have posted something that is an un-truth.
I stopped reading at # 2 because # 2 is a lie by the NRA.

SOUNWORTHY
10-31-2008, 10:46 AM
Sister do you check these positions out before you post them. You have posted something that is an un-truth.
I stopped reading at # 2 because # 2 is a lie by the NRA.

Bro. Light would rather have this guy for Commander and Chief.

Obama mentioned his church during his appearance with Oprah. It's the Trinity Church of Christ. I found this interesting.

Obama's church:

Please read and go to this church's website and read what is written there. It is very alarming.

Barack Obama is a member of this church and is running for President of the U.S. If you look at the first page of their website, you will learn that this congregation has a non-negotiable commitment to Africa. No where is AMERICA even mentioned. Notice too, what color you will need to be if you should want to join Obama's church... B-L-A-C-K!!! Doesn't look like his choice of religion has improved much over his (former?) Muslim upbringing.

Are you aware that Obama's middle name is Mohammed? Strip away his nice looks, the big smile and smooth talk and what do you get?Certainly a racist, as plainly defined by the stated position of his church! And possibly a covert worshiper of the Muslim faith, even today. This guy desires to rule over America while his loyalty is totally vested in a Black Africa!

Falla39
10-31-2008, 10:56 AM
Sister do you check these positions out before you post them. You have posted something that is an un-truth.
I stopped reading at # 2 because # 2 is a lie by the NRA.



http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Has+the+National+Rifle+Association+Endorsed+John +McCain%3F&aq=f&oq=

The Bible says to prove all things! Hold fast that which is good.
I Thess.5:21

Blessings,

Falla39

Falla39
10-31-2008, 11:41 AM
Sister do you check these positions out before you post them. You have posted something that is an un-truth.
I stopped reading at # 2 because # 2 is a lie by the NRA.


Dear Brother,

If you know something other than what is posted on the link
with links saying repeatly that the NRA is endorsing Sen. John
McCain, please let us know about it! Truth is truth whether we
like it or not.
The Bible says that "no lie is of the truth". I would never intenti-
ally post a lie (untruth). We can be mistaken but I would never
lie intentionally.:friend

Blessings,

Falla39

Esther
10-31-2008, 12:13 PM
Bro. Light would rather have this guy for Commander and Chief.

Obama mentioned his church during his appearance with Oprah. It's the Trinity Church of Christ. I found this interesting.

Obama's church:

Please read and go to this church's website and read what is written there. It is very alarming.

Barack Obama is a member of this church and is running for President of the U.S. If you look at the first page of their website, you will learn that this congregation has a non-negotiable commitment to Africa. No where is AMERICA even mentioned. Notice too, what color you will need to be if you should want to join Obama's church... B-L-A-C-K!!! Doesn't look like his choice of religion has improved much over his (former?) Muslim upbringing.

Are you aware that Obama's middle name is Mohammed? Strip away his nice looks, the big smile and smooth talk and what do you get?Certainly a racist, as plainly defined by the stated position of his church! And possibly a covert worshiper of the Muslim faith, even today. This guy desires to rule over America while his loyalty is totally vested in a Black Africa!

What happened to Hussein?

HappyTown
10-31-2008, 05:35 PM
I can give reason for not voting McCain!!!!

Another four years of BUSH!!! No thank you!

Falla39
10-31-2008, 05:48 PM
I can give reason for not voting McCain!!!!

Another four years of BUSH!!! No thank you!


Sometimes folks don't know how well they do have it UNTIL

they have a taste of something much worse!! Live and learn!

Blessings,

Falla39

HappyTown
10-31-2008, 05:55 PM
Sometimes folks don't know how well they do have it UNTIL

they have a taste of something much worse!! Live and learn!

Blessings,

Falla39

Some never learn!!!!

SOUNWORTHY
10-31-2008, 07:36 PM
Sometimes folks don't know how well they do have it UNTIL

they have a taste of something much worse!! Live and learn!

Blessings,

Falla39

Very well put sis. Falla.

commonsense
10-31-2008, 08:02 PM
With age comes wisdom.
Listen to your elders.
They can say, been there done that, and know of which they speak.

Thanks for the list Sis Falla.

IsolatedSaint
10-31-2008, 10:17 PM
Sometimes folks don't know how well they do have it UNTIL

they have a taste of something much worse!! Live and learn!

Blessings,

Falla39

All I've got to say is this and I'll probably catch some flak for saying it but BOTH candidates voted for the $700 Billion bailout. Both candidates are evil and wicked in their own right......both are new world order shills shoved down our throats by the equally NWO complicite mainstream media. To put it plainly anyone that votes for either of these 2 is going to HELL unless you repent!!! Voting for either of these 2 means YOU are partakers of there evil deeds.(1 Timothy 5:22) In fact, if you voted either democrat or republican these last 40 years(at least) you are in sin and your going to hell unless you repent. You will give an account before God for voting for the lesser of 2 evils because evil is STILL EVIL.

Falla39
10-31-2008, 10:29 PM
All I've got to say is this and I'll probably catch some flak for saying it but BOTH candidates voted for the $700 Billion bailout. Both candidates are evil and wicked in their own right......both are new world order shills shoved down our throats by the equally NWO complicite mainstream media. To put it plainly anyone that votes for either of these 2 is going to HELL unless you repent!!! Voting for either of these 2 means YOU are partakers of there evil deeds.(1 Timothy 5:22) In fact, if you voted either democrat or republican these last 40 years(at least) you are in sin and your going to hell unless you repent. You will give an account before God for voting for the lesser of 2 evils because evil is STILL EVIL.

Brother,

That's some pretty strong judgment for someone that can quote scrip-
ture. We're told not to judge lest we be judged. Putting people
in hell is not our place. The Bible tells us that with the same judg-
ment we judge others, we will be judged. I personally would fear
(God) to do that. We're told to bless and curse not. Putting people in
hell would be a type of cursing in my thinking.

No offense intended.

Blessings,

Falla39

Falla39
11-01-2008, 02:13 PM
Some never learn!!!!


If those further down the road try to warn those coming behind
that the "bridge is out" and they disregard the warning, they have
no one to blame but themselves.

Blessings,

Falla39

meBNme
11-01-2008, 04:05 PM
One reason to vote McCain.......


Palin.

IsolatedSaint
11-01-2008, 05:48 PM
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Brother,

That's some pretty strong judgment for someone that can quote scrip-
ture. We're told not to judge lest we be judged. Putting people
in hell is not our place. The Bible tells us that with the same judg-
ment we judge others, we will be judged. I personally would fear
(God) to do that. We're told to bless and curse not. Putting people in
hell would be a type of cursing in my thinking.

No offense intended.

Blessings,

Falla39 That's not what I want, but we as apostolic/pentecostal people need to quit putting our approval on these NWO candidates by voting for them, don't accept the status quo or what choices the mainstream media tells us. I didn't say that God said you would go to hell. I said it, it's my opinion, but that's not my desire.

HappyTown
11-01-2008, 06:41 PM
The coming Election will, without a shadow of doubt, represent a gigantic loss for America and every American, and all of the world. No matter which major candidate will “win” (Democrat or Republican), both have made it abundantly clear that we are all going to get screwed, again.

Falla39
11-01-2008, 06:54 PM
The coming Election will, without a shadow of doubt, represent a gigantic loss for America and every American, and all of the world. No matter which major candidate will “win” (Democrat or Republican), both have made it abundantly clear that we are all going to get screwed, again.


Why focus on them!! Why not focus on HIM! Him whose right it is!

Have faith in GOD!

Turn your eyes upon JESUS,
Look full in His Wonderful face;
And the things of this earth will
grow strangely dim,
In the light of His glory and grace!

Hugs,

Falla39

HappyTown
11-01-2008, 07:22 PM
Why focus on them!! Why not focus on HIM! Him whose right it is!

Have faith in GOD!

Turn your eyes upon JESUS,
Look full in His Wonderful face;
And the things of this earth will
grow strangely dim,
In the light of His glory and grace!

Hugs,

Falla39

Falla...Thanks !!

I'm not mad...;) But I do feel America in a no win, win here!

jediwill83
11-01-2008, 08:22 PM
Great list sis...now im going to find me some sackcloth and ashes so I can repent....AFTER I VOTE! lol. God bless you sis. I love your spirit.

Falla39
11-01-2008, 08:45 PM
Great list sis...now im going to find me some sackcloth and ashes so I can repent....AFTER I VOTE! lol. God bless you sis. I love your spirit.

Bro. Jediwill83,

Thank you for your kind words! God bless you too!:friend

Hugs,

Falla39

SOUNWORTHY
11-02-2008, 05:56 AM
When you vote think of a cemetery 100 miles long and 100 miles wide. That is what it would take to bury the babies slaughtered in our country alone.

Pressing-On
11-02-2008, 06:37 AM
Sister do you check these positions out before you post them. You have posted something that is an un-truth.
I stopped reading at # 2 because # 2 is a lie by the NRA.
This may have been the reference on the gun manufacturers in regard to Obama:

Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)

This would be McCain's stand on that issue:



Don't hold gun manufacturers liable for crimes. (Sep 2007)
Voted YES on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)


Below are a couple of glaring votes cast, by Obama, on gun control that give him a bad record against the 2nd Amendment. He says he respects the 2nd Amendment, but is okay with local gun bans. I am wondering how that would make sense? Criminals will find guns no matter a ban. It's the citizens that would then be unsafe.


FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)


McCain has much better sense on the gun control issue:


Prosecute criminals, not citizens for gun ownership. (Sep 2007)
Guns are a problem, but so are violent web sites & videos. (Aug 1999)
Punish criminals who abuse 2nd Amendment rights. (May 1999)

Pressing-On
11-02-2008, 06:52 AM
Other issues on gun control concerning Obama:

Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration. (“Fact Check: No News In Obama’s Consistent Record.” Obama campaign website, 12/11/07).

Obama voted to limit gun purchases to one per month. (Illinois state senate, H.B. 2579, vote 34, 5/16/03).

Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia. (United States Senate vote 245, 9/29/2005 and vote 2, 1/31/2006 and Saddleback Forum, 8/16/2008).

Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate “assault weapons,” but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen. (Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, 3/13/2003).

Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership. (Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, 9/9/1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, 3/31/2008).

Obama voted to allow the prosecution of people who use a firearm for self-defense in their homes. (Illinois Senate, S.B. 2165, vote 20. 3/25/04).

Obama supported increasing taxes on firearms and ammunition by 500%. That means the $500 Ruger you want to buy that currently has an excise tax of $55 would skyrocket to $330 tax. (Chicago Defender, 12/13/99). But that shouldn’t bug you, Obama backers, because you’re all about “spreading the wealth,” aren’t you?

Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry. (United States Senate, S. 397, vote 219, 7/29/05).

Obama wants to reimpose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban. (Illinois State Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes, 10/21/04).

Obama endorsed a ban on all handguns. (Independent voters of Illinois/Independent precinct organization general candidate questionnaire, 9/9/96; Politico, 3/31/08).

Obama opposes the Right to Carry laws. (Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, 4/02/08; Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04).

Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting. (United States Senate, S.397, 7/29/05).

If Barack becomes president you will begin to see your right to bear arms erode like Bill Clinton’s conscience at Hooters - Doug Giles :D

HappyTown
11-02-2008, 06:24 PM
Other issues on gun control concerning Obama:

Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration. (“Fact Check: No News In Obama’s Consistent Record.” Obama campaign website, 12/11/07).

Obama voted to limit gun purchases to one per month. (Illinois state senate, H.B. 2579, vote 34, 5/16/03).

Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia. (United States Senate vote 245, 9/29/2005 and vote 2, 1/31/2006 and Saddleback Forum, 8/16/2008).

Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate “assault weapons,” but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen. (Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, 3/13/2003).

Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership. (Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, 9/9/1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, 3/31/2008).

Obama voted to allow the prosecution of people who use a firearm for self-defense in their homes. (Illinois Senate, S.B. 2165, vote 20. 3/25/04).

Obama supported increasing taxes on firearms and ammunition by 500%. That means the $500 Ruger you want to buy that currently has an excise tax of $55 would skyrocket to $330 tax. (Chicago Defender, 12/13/99). But that shouldn’t bug you, Obama backers, because you’re all about “spreading the wealth,” aren’t you?

Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry. (United States Senate, S. 397, vote 219, 7/29/05).

Obama wants to reimpose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban. (Illinois State Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes, 10/21/04).

Obama endorsed a ban on all handguns. (Independent voters of Illinois/Independent precinct organization general candidate questionnaire, 9/9/96; Politico, 3/31/08).

Obama opposes the Right to Carry laws. (Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, 4/02/08; Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04).

Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting. (United States Senate, S.397, 7/29/05).

If Barack becomes president you will begin to see your right to bear arms erode like Bill Clinton’s conscience at Hooters - Doug Giles :D
:ursofunny

Please most these laws been infect for sometime people!!!!

meBNme
11-02-2008, 08:33 PM
:ursofunny

Please most these laws been infect for sometime people!!!!

In germany maybe. What are you smoking?

Those items listed abslutely are NOT current law, and would be unconstitutional and certainly violate the 2nd ammendment if they were.

IsolatedSaint
11-02-2008, 08:40 PM
Why focus on them!! Why not focus on HIM! Him whose right it is!

Have faith in GOD!

Turn your eyes upon JESUS,
Look full in His Wonderful face;
And the things of this earth will
grow strangely dim,
In the light of His glory and grace!

Hugs,

Falla39 If your faith is in God, then why participate in voting in this presidential election in the first place? People on this board act like this stuff is real, it is not. Everything in these campaigns is carefully scripted like a hollywood movie. There are no real choices, only the illusion of choice. Example: Sarah Palin was chosen to be McCains running mate back in February but they'll have you thinking that McCain chose her at the very last hour in August. It's all deception and lies and we as real apostolics shouldn't be participating in lies and deception. However, the difference/dangers involved with this election is that in all probability your going to have riots and bloodshed(if Obama doesn't get to be president)and I want NO part of it, especially when this whole election process is a big charade.

mfblume
11-02-2008, 09:22 PM
Being a a Canadian and watching this since I am now in the USA shows me that BOTH SIDES have good arguments. If you give equal time to both sides, either one could convince you to go their way.

In my mind, neither is good enough for your president. And I do not like choosing the best of two wrongs.

meBNme
11-02-2008, 09:57 PM
If your faith is in God, then why participate in voting in this presidential election in the first place? People on this board act like this stuff is real, it is not. Everything in these campaigns is carefully scripted like a hollywood movie. There are no real choices, only the illusion of choice. Example: Sarah Palin was chosen to be McCains running mate back in February but they'll have you thinking that McCain chose her at the very last hour in August. It's all deception and lies and we as real apostolics shouldn't be participating in lies and deception. However, the difference/dangers involved with this election is that in all probability your going to have riots and bloodshed(if Obama doesn't get to be president)and I want NO part of it, especially when this whole election process is a big charade.

So let me make sure I understand you correctly.

Are you saying that If one has faith in God then they should just throw up their hands, give up, and let everything happen without any Christian input whatsoever?

IsolatedSaint
11-03-2008, 10:56 AM
So let me make sure I understand you correctly.

Are you saying that If one has faith in God then they should just throw up their hands, give up, and let everything happen without any Christian input whatsoever?

John McCain is not a Christian input, casting a ballot once every 4 years is not a Christian input either. Voting for the lesser of 2 evils is not a Christian input.....both candidates voted for the 700+ billion dollar bailout.....need I say more. You vote for either one of these 2 and you have blood on your hands and you will give an account before God for that. Both candidates are new world order puppets and run absolutely nothing anyway.
Vote in your local elections by all means, but beware of election fraud even on the local level.

HappyTown
11-03-2008, 10:59 AM
In germany maybe. What are you smoking?

Those items listed abslutely are NOT current law, and would be unconstitutional and certainly violate the 2nd ammendment if they were.

We have gun control!!!

HappyTown
11-03-2008, 11:06 AM
John McCain is not a Christian input, casting a ballot once every 4 years is not a Christian input either. Voting for the lesser of 2 evils is not a Christian input.....both candidates voted for the 700+ billion dollar bailout.....need I say more. You vote for either one of these 2 and you have blood on your hands and you will give an account before God for that. Both candidates are new world order puppets and run absolutely nothing anyway.
Vote in your local elections by all means, but beware of election fraud even on the local level.

Agree! Watching the debates was an eye opener, ever other word out McSane mouth was Israel, we must at all cost protect Israel .. Every time things got a little hot he pull out the Israel card, like McSane knew this special word would appeal to the God fearing. Like mindless dorms you can hear then all repeat togeather "YES WE MUST AT ALL COST"!!!

Sorry I don't scary easy, holding Israel on my head not going to work!!!

chaotic_resolve
11-03-2008, 01:35 PM
If I wanted, I could probably come up with 30 reasons, even 50 reasons, NOT to vote for McCain. Palin as VP would be near the top of that list.

However, I don't want Obama in the Oval Office with a Congressional Democratic majority...so I'll be angrily voting for McCain.

Here's to hoping 2012 includes a better candidate that doesn't include Palin.

Jermyn Davidson
11-03-2008, 01:44 PM
If I wanted, I could probably come up with 30 reasons, even 50 reasons, NOT to vote for McCain. Palin as VP would be near the top of that list.

However, I don't want Obama in the Oval Office with a Congressional Democratic majority...so I'll be angrily voting for McCain.

Here's to hoping 2012 includes a better candidate that doesn't include Palin.


She thinks she's not leaving the national political scene, I know you have heard this!


I, for one, am disappointed with her and I hope she does fades away into the Alaska's long and dark night.

SOUNWORTHY
11-03-2008, 05:13 PM
She thinks she's not leaving the national political scene, I know you have heard this!


I, for one, am disappointed with her and I hope she does fades away into the Alaska's long and dark night.

Say hello to President Sarah Palin 2012 By June 2008 you'll be begging for John and Sarah.:whistle

Esther
11-03-2008, 05:27 PM
If I wanted, I could probably come up with 30 reasons, even 50 reasons, NOT to vote for McCain. Palin as VP would be near the top of that list.

However, I don't want Obama in the Oval Office with a Congressional Democratic majority...so I'll be angrily voting for McCain.

Here's to hoping 2012 includes a better candidate that doesn't include Palin.

She is the most encouraging reason I voted for McCain. Otherwise I was just going to vote AGAINST Obama.

Esther
11-03-2008, 05:34 PM
:ursofunny

Please most these laws been infect for sometime people!!!!

You honestly support Obama stance on gun control?

meBNme
11-03-2008, 06:29 PM
We have gun control!!!

Yes, we have gun control.
What is proposed above is gun elimination.

And those items (Thank God) are NOT law.

Do you really think the criminals will obey more gun laws?

IsolatedSaint
11-03-2008, 08:28 PM
If I wanted, I could probably come up with 30 reasons, even 50 reasons, NOT to vote for McCain. Palin as VP would be near the top of that list.

However, I don't want Obama in the Oval Office with a Congressional Democratic majority...so I'll be angrily voting for McCain.

A very good and basic fundamental reason to vote republican this time around......you want gridlock(GOP president vs DEM house/senate).

Jermyn Davidson
11-03-2008, 08:48 PM
(1)Say hello to President Sarah Palin 2012
(2)By June 2008 you'll be begging for John and Sarah.:whistle


(1) I don't think so. If so, I hope she is able to reintroduce or maybe even reinvent herself.


(2) Absolutely not! Besides, this election is not over yet. To me, Sen. McCain still has a very strong chance of winning. The race is 50/50 if you ask me.