The besetting sin of Pentecost

[Steve Epley]

The unmentionable sin of the abuse of prescription medicine from what I hear it is an epidemic among every stripe and flavor of Pentecost. Are you hearing very much said about it across the pulpits where you attend or visit?

[ManOfWord]

Yes!!! Any use of prescription medicine is a demonstration of the lack of faith in God and prayer and a positive confession!!!! I am suprised that more Pentecostals are not dying as a result of the judgement of God and their "little" faith. :D

[freeatlast]

Abuse or use Steve? Not hearing about in my part of the world, although I know a few saints slamming down that blood pressure medication.

[Ronzo]

Down with ALL medicine!!! It is the greatest threat to the Church since the devil himself!

;)

Just being facetious. :friend

[Steve Epley]

Yes!!! Any use of prescription medicine is a demonstration of the lack of faith in God and prayer and a positive confession!!!! I am suprised that more Pentecostals are not dying as a result of the judgement of God and their "little" faith. :D

My wife and I came from that background no doctors or medicine period. My wife's background was stronger than mine they pulled teeth without any painkillers and had their babies at home with a midwife. We do not practice that however is anyone seeing what I am speaking of????

[SDG]

The unmentionable sin of the abuse of prescription medicine from what I hear it is an epidemic among every stripe and flavor of Pentecost. Are you hearing very much said about it across the pulpits where you attend or visit?

It's ravaging the Church .. we have Apostolics that are hooked ...

I know one young lady who specializes in hair ... and says that many of the "holiest" woman with the longest hair ... have signs of prescription drug abuse evident in their hair.

[ManOfWord]

Abuse or use Steve? Not hearing about in my part of the world, although I know a few saints slamming down that blood pressure medication.

Not only that, but they're also taking statins by the handfuls!!! It's keeping too many people here causing over population. More people should be going home!!! All of this is going against God's plan to get people to heaven.

[Allan]

No, people here are "moderate." :coffee2

But, on a serious note, I haven't heard a thing about it. . . Ever. And have been attending a Pentecostal church since I was 14, and am now 20.

[Steve Epley]

Then the subject is mute. Evidently there is no subject.

[Hoovie]

This may be a good place to share that Aleve Cold and Sinus really works!

You get it at the Pharmacy - but no prescription needed.

I am not kidding when I say I thank God for this particular medicine. It enabled me to continue working the last week.

[Ronzo]

This may be a good place to share that Aleve Cold and Sinus really works!

You get it at the Pharmacy - but no prescription needed.

I am not kidding when I say I thank God for this particular medicine. It enabled me to continue working the last week.

Just don't take too much... it's bad for the gut in excessive doses from what I understand.

[Hesetmefree238]

My wife and I came from that background no doctors or medicine period. My wife's background was stronger than mine they pulled teeth without any painkillers.........

Now, that is funny! I have heard of those who did not believe in taking medicine, but pulling teeth with no painkillers! OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!! :toofunny

[freeatlast]

I rarely take an aspirin. Ocassionaly I'l take an alka seltzer.

I was associated with a church, over 35 years ago that held the beliefs Elder E refers to.

Dr.s were srongly frowned upon. My pastor was in a serious car accident and refused all attempts from EMt's. His head was gashed open and he refused stitches or any tratment . This caused quite a scar and when he raised his eyebrows only one side went up.

I think in later years they too left this type of belief on healing.

[Steve Epley]

Now, that is funny! I have heard of those who did not believe in taking medicine, but pulling teeth with no painkillers! OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There were folks in YOUR part of the world that practiced that did you know that?

[SDG]

Yeah one thing is to use pain medicine during and immediately after a medical procedure ... but some are abusing some heavy narcotics, sedatives and other types of medicine for prolonged periods of time.

[Hesetmefree238]

I rarely take an aspirin. Ocassionaly I'l take an alka seltzer.

I was associated with a church, over 35 years ago that held the beliefs Elder E refers to.

The pulling teeth belief with no painkillers???:slaphappy

[ManOfWord]

I have sinus difficulties and when I scuba dive, I begin to take Sudafed, affectionately called "scubafed" by divers a couple of weeks before diving.

Lack of faith on my part! :D

[Hesetmefree238]

There were folks in YOUR part of the world that practiced that did you know that?

I know of people who did not believe in medicine and I know of those that had
babies at home, because they did not believe in doctors, but I don't know of anything about pulling teeth without pain relief.

[Steve Epley]

I know of people who did not believe in medicine and I know of those that had
babies at home, because they did not believe in doctors, but I don't know of anything about pulling teeth without pain relief.

Out south and west of town at JC they did practice that at one time.

[Guy]

The unmentionable sin of the abuse of prescription medicine from what I hear it is an epidemic among every stripe and flavor of Pentecost. Are you hearing very much said about it across the pulpits where you attend or visit?

Anything that affects our culture eventually impacts the church.
The problem is that prescription meds can be very addictive and if not addictive physically can be very addictive mentally.
I am working with someone now who has become addicted to painkillers originally because of a back problem. Now it's because of the warm and fuzzy feeling more than for any pain.
The other problem with prescription meds is that the addiction can sneak up on a person. Since they are prescribed by a doctor they often are perceived as being safe. Many will have no problem with them but then there are others who have a personality type that can leave them vulnerable.

[Thad]

Pastor Bud Tingle in kentucky is one of the ones who pulled his own teeth out with pliers .

some of you may know him. he sends out an Apostolic news paper.
he has a church called "Christian tabernacle" and they have a Big camp meeting every year

.

[Ferd]

Yeah one thing is to use pain medicine during and immediately after a medical procedure ... but some are abusing some heavy narcotics, sedatives and other types of medicine for prolonged periods of time.

I dont know about abuse, but ive been taking pretty strong pain meds (though about 1/3 of my perscription) for 6 months now. for some of us, just living doesnt happen without pain meds.

but, It is easy to abuse.

[Hesetmefree238]

Out south and west of town at JC they did practice that at one time.

That's exactly where I was thinking of. I go to church with one of the original pastor's sons.

[Thad]

Let me add this. what i don't understand about Pastor Bud tingle pulling his own teeth out is this. what's the difference in a dentist pulling them out and him pulling them out ?
why didn't he just believe God to heal him or let his teeth fall out ?????

.

[Steve Epley]

That's exactly where I was thinking of. I go to church with one of the original pastor's sons.

My wife had her background with these folks when they were in California.

[Hesetmefree238]

Pastor Bud Tingle in kentucky is one of the ones who pulled his own teeth out with pliers .

some of you may know him. he sends out an Apostolic news paper.
he has a church called "Christian tabernacle" and they have a Big camp meeting every year

.

Now those guys my friend are true ultra cons!!!!!!! They make the UPC ultra cons look like libs!!!!

[Hoovie]

My wife and I came from that background no doctors or medicine period. My wife's background was stronger than mine they pulled teeth without any painkillers and had their babies at home with a midwife. We do not practice that however is anyone seeing what I am speaking of????

This is sad. To require this is also a form of abuse IMO.

But to answer your question, YES. I am seeing a renewed push to get the entire population on drugs. I guess what bothers me the most is the psychotropic prescriptions they are putting kids on. First they introduce a new "disorder" then the mircle cure in the presciption form. Bothersome to me.

[ManOfWord]

Pastor Bud Tingle in kentucky is one of the ones who pulled his own teeth out with pliers .


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Well, I've heard it said, "No brain, no pain!"

[Thad]

My wife had her background with these folks when they were in California.


that's the church that split with Sam White's church. I know some folks that went with this group. They had cots at the church. If you was sick unto death, you went to the church and laid before the Lord. If he didn't raise you up, you was thought to have not had the faith

[SoCaliUPC]

This is sad. To require this is also a form of abuse IMO.

But to answer your question, YES. I am seeing a renewed push to get the entire population on drugs. I guess what bothers me the most is the psychotropic prescriptions they are putting kids on. First they introduce a new "disorder" then the mircle cure in the presciption form. Bothersome to me.

Care to be more specific as in the "disorder"?

[Thad]

Well, I've heard it said, "No brain, no pain!"


from the people I know that have vistied there , they would say you are right on target on that first one :slaphappy

[Steve Epley]

that's the church that split with Sam White's church. I know some folks that went with this group. They had cots at the church. If you was sick unto death, you went to the church and laid before the Lord. If he didn't raise you up, you was thought to have not had the faith

Faith homes as they were called were popular among those in the early years of Pentecost where they came to be healed or die. I have read several papers put out by Azusa street church under Seymour and also Bishop Haywood's paper along with others and they all advocated the no medicine policy.

[Thad]

Now those guys my friend are true ultra cons!!!!!!! They make the UPC ultra cons look like libs!!!!


It all gets pretty confusing!!!!! everyone has a Rule that makes the other worldy so everyone is worldy !!!:slaphappy

[SDG]

Faith homes as they were called were popular among those in the early years of Pentecost where they came to be healed or die. I have read several papers put out by Azusa street church under Seymour and also Bishop Haywood's paper along with others and they all advocated the no medicine policy.


Is thread about not using medicine or abusing medicine, Elder?

[ManOfWord]

from the people I know that have vistied there , they would say you are right on target on that first one :slaphappy

From time to time, I do make an astute observation! :happydance

[SoCaliUPC]

It all gets pretty confusing!!!!! everyone has a Rule that makes the other worldy so everyone is worldy !!!:slaphappy

Thad...we're not talking about the Western District...please stay on topic!! :slaphappy :slaphappy :slaphappy :happydance

Seriously though...that is true.

[Steve Epley]

Is thread about not using medicine or abusing medicine, Elder?

The horse has changed or was it the rider. Me thinks folks are in denial but it doesn't go away on it's own and nearly every stripe of Pentecost has good people sitting on pews that are like zombies.

[Thad]

Faith homes as they were called were popular among those in the early years of Pentecost where they came to be healed or die. I have read several papers put out by Azusa street church under Seymour and also Bishop Haywood's paper along with others and they all advocated the no medicine policy.


okay, I didn't know they was called "Faith Homes" .
I've been telling people for years that the church had there own a hospice.

I'm sure you know that this church got into trouble with a law suit or something like that after an unsaved family member called in the authorities. a pregnant women got into a car accident where her baby died in the womb. somehow she was not able to pass the child and her belly was filling with gain-green (sp?). she came close to dying

[Hoovie]

Care to be more specific as in the "disorder"?

ADHD for one.

[Scott Hutchinson]

People who are hooked on pain-killers and such are everywhere in our society,yes my Pastor does recognize that this has crept into the church , he has mentioned this.

[Nahum]

The unmentionable sin of the abuse of prescription medicine from what I hear it is an epidemic among every stripe and flavor of Pentecost. Are you hearing very much said about it across the pulpits where you attend or visit?

I can't believe I am doing this, and may God have mercy on me, but I agree with Elder Epley on this one.

I see it so often.

Parents who drug their kids with benadryl so that they will be sluggish and sleepy. They do this because they are LAZY and uninvolved in their kids lives.
They don't want to be bothered with their own kids so they drug.

Church kids raised with ritalin as the discipline instead of parents.

Preachers and saints who run to the doctor for EVERYTHING that ails them. This happens because we place so little emphasis on personal health and proper body maintenance.

This all leaves me with the question "Who needs prayer"? "Who needs God"?

We find our temporary fixes in a bottle, instead of permanent healing on our knees.

[SDG]

ADHD for one.

As a teacher of Special Ed students I can affirm that it is overdiagnosed ... but we cannot discount that quite a few need their meds.

[Thad]

Pastor poster,


I've known saints in my own church who give there kids Baby Niquil
so that they themselves can go to bed and not have to wake up.
I guess on accasion that would be okay. sometimes when I'm flying and i have to hear a screaming kids for 5 hours I feel like reaching for some :toofunny

the unspoken topic is Pastors and pastor's wives who are on Anti depressants !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOO DID I SAY THAT ?????????????



.running for cover!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SDG]

Pastor poster,


I've known saints in my own church who give there kids Baby Niquil
so that they themselves can go to bed and not have to wake up.
I guess on accasion that would be okay. sometimes when I'm flying and i have to hear a screaming kids for 5 hours I feel like reaching for some :toofunny

the unspoken topic is Pastors and pastor's wives who are on Anti depressants !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOO DID I SAY THAT ?????????????



.running for cover!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the anti-depressants are a HUGE PROBLEM ... Thad

[CC1]

The unmentionable sin of the abuse of prescription medicine from what I hear it is an epidemic among every stripe and flavor of Pentecost. Are you hearing very much said about it across the pulpits where you attend or visit?

Elder Epley,

I do believe that you have hit upon a subject that is not discussed enough in our circles.

While I am a firm believe in using the skill and expertise of doctors and scientists that God has given us to help us in regards to our health, the overuse of prescription drugs in America is a huge problem.

Tennessee, the state I live in, writes more prescriptions per capita per year than almost any other state. I think we rank #3 out of all 50 states.

The sad thing is that some people who really do need to be on prescription medication of one kind or another are not while others are on medication they do not need.

[Coonskinner]

I have preached about it at home and in a lot of places where I preach out...and you can feel the chill set in in some placeswhen you get on it.

Some churches that love strong holiness preaching get tight when you get after this sacred cow.

A desire to avoid the possibility of these kinds of addictions is the reason I refused pain killers in 2000 when I broke my neck, back, and ribs in an accident.

The doctors told me I was crazy, but after my initial treatment in the hospital, I never filled a prescription for the narcotics that they prescribed me over and over again.

They would write out the prescriptions and my wife would say, "You're wasting your ink. He will throw it away as soon as he gets home."

The doc would smile condescendingly and say, "Oh, he will fill it." But I didn't.

And after almost two years of suffering in faith, God healed me overnight. To Him be all the glory.

[SoCaliUPC]

As a teacher of Special Ed students I can affirm that it is overdiagnosed ... but we cannot discount that quite a few need their meds. Agreed.

I do think that, with ADHD, there needs to be two seperate evaluations done.

[Carpenter]

The unmentionable sin of the abuse of prescription medicine from what I hear it is an epidemic among every stripe and flavor of Pentecost. Are you hearing very much said about it across the pulpits where you attend or visit?

Had I created a thread like this one you people would have laughed me off the internet!

See what esteem you have around here Brother Epley?

:slaphappy :slaphappy

Abuse of prescription medicine...pornography...questionable attitudes...

[Actaeon]

Chemical Pentecost apparently is in vogue. :grampa

We have those that rebel over a pastor's "prescription" for their life BUT will obey to the letter a label pasted on a prescription bottle. Go figure.

[Nahum]

Pastor poster,


I've known saints in my own church who give there kids Baby Niquil
so that they themselves can go to bed and not have to wake up.
I guess on accasion that would be okay. sometimes when I'm flying and i have to hear a screaming kids for 5 hours I feel like reaching for some :toofunny

the unspoken topic is Pastors and pastor's wives who are on Anti depressants !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOO DID I SAY THAT ?????????????



.running for cover!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You laugh, but that is exactly what happens AT CHURCH quite a bit. Parents don't want to DISCIPLINE so they drug them. I have seen it so many times. I have friends who do it.

[Carpenter]

Chemical Pentecost apparently is in vogue. :grampa

We have those that rebel over a pastor's "prescription" for their life BUT will obey to the letter a label pasted on a prescription bottle. Go figure.

Pastor's aren't doctors, they just play them on the internet...

:slaphappy

[Nahum]

I have preached about it at home and in a lot of places where I preach out...and you can feel the chill set in in some placeswhen you get on it.

Some churches that love strong holiness preaching get tight when you get after this sacred cow.

A desire to avoid the possibility of these kinds of addictions is the reason I refused pain killers in 2000 when I broke my neck, back, and ribs in an accident.

The doctors told me I was crazy, but after my initial treatment in the hospital, I never filled a prescription for the narcotics that they prescribed me over and over again.

They would write out the prescriptions and my wife would say, "You're wasting your ink. He will throw it away as soon as he gets home."

The doc would smile condescendingly and say, "Oh, he will fill it." But I didn't.

And after almost two years of suffering in faith, God healed me overnight. To Him be all the glory.

I rarely take even so much as an aspirin.
I've got to be in severe pain before I will down one.

I'm not saying its wrong, but I think it rarely helps to take that junk.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I hate taking medicine ,and I try not take any unless it is necessary.
You see when I was not a Christian I used to take speed pills.

[Actaeon]

Pastor's aren't doctors, they just play them on the internet...

:slaphappy

Lobotomy is my specialty - please make an apointment -- however in your case it might have to be a reverse-lobotomy.......... :neener

[CC1]

I have preached about it at home and in a lot of places where I preach out...and you can feel the chill set in in some placeswhen you get on it.

Some churches that love strong holiness preaching get tight when you get after this sacred cow.

A desire to avoid the possibility of these kinds of addictions is the reason I refused pain killers in 2000 when I broke my neck, back, and ribs in an accident.

The doctors told me I was crazy, but after my initial treatment in the hospital, I never filled a prescription for the narcotics that they prescribed me over and over again.

They would write out the prescriptions and my wife would say, "You're wasting your ink. He will throw it away as soon as he gets home."

The doc would smile condescendingly and say, "Oh, he will fill it." But I didn't.

And after almost two years of suffering in faith, God healed me overnight. To Him be all the glory.


Coonskinner,

Are you saying that you preach against the use of prescription medicenes or do you only oppose the abuse and overuse of them?

Why did you feel it would be wrong to take pain medicene when your neck and back were broken? That does not seem reasonable to me. I am not trying to be contentious but that is my honest reaction.

[Hoovie]

As a teacher of Special Ed students I can affirm that it is overdiagnosed ... but we cannot discount that quite a few need their meds.

I agree.

[Thad]

You laugh, but that is exactly what happens AT CHURCH quite a bit. Parents don't want to DISCIPLINE so they drug them. I have seen it so many times. I have friends who do it.


NO not really laughing that they drug them. I was just saying that I felt like doing it myself. that is, when you're on a plane and there's a mother with 3 out of control kids screaming the entire flight. it's enough to make you go nuts if are going on No sleep and praying for a few hours of shut eye

[Scott Hutchinson]

LOB a what tie me ? What is that ? Being a Horse doctor?

[Carpenter]

Lobotomy is my specialty - please make an apointment -- however in your case it might have to be a reverse-lobotomy.......... :neener

...sure, as long as you can shove what I need through that little hole in my nose... :D

[Carpenter]

Lobotomy is my specialty - please make an apointment -- however in your case it might have to be a reverse-lobotomy.......... :neener

...but then again there could be something said about checking your brain at the door. :slaphappy

[Scott Hutchinson]

...sure, as long as you can shove what I need through that little hole in my nose... :D

Oh I get it Sinus Trouble ,yes there are doctors for that.

[chosenbyone]

This may be a good place to share that Aleve Cold and Sinus really works!

You get it at the Pharmacy - but no prescription needed.

I am not kidding when I say I thank God for this particular medicine. It enabled me to continue working the last week.

Kristin and you need your own user names. Are you Kristin or Steve? Anyway, I'm glad that Aleve Cold and Sinus relieves your stuffy nose, cold like symptoms.

[Carpenter]

Oh I get it Sinus Trouble ,yes there are doctors for that.

You don't need no stinking doctors for that! Just have yourself at one of Acteaon's services...he can do some sinus clearing.

[Scott Hutchinson]

You don't need no stinking doctors for that! Just have yourself at one of Acteaon's services...he can do some sinus clearing.

I have in that part of the world before but I have visited other churches ,but I might pop in there sometime.

[Thad]

well I admit, I use about everything I can get my hands on.
I take my breif case to church and come prepared with EVERYTHING.
a bottle cough and congestion
a cocktail of advil and tylonel (advil for to relax the muscles and tyl. for pain)
nasal spray
clariton for allergies
12 hour sudefed for sinus headaches
excedrin migraine for severe headaches
then I have benedryl, melatonin and sleeping pills to help me sleep.

[Hoovie]

Kristin and you need your own user names. Are you Kristin or Steve? Anyway, I'm glad that Aleve Cold and Sinus relieves your stuffy nose, cold like symptoms.

LOL! She is busy baking me bread and pies! She always specifies when she is responding to a post. She rarely gets on this forum.

Steve

[Coonskinner]

Coonskinner,

Are you saying that you preach against the use of prescription medicenes or do you only oppose the abuse and overuse of them?

Why did you feel it would be wrong to take pain medicene when your neck and back were broken? That does not seem reasonable to me. I am not trying to be contentious but that is my honest reaction.

I do NOT preach that it is wrong to use pain medicine, nor do I believe it.

My decision not to use it was a personal thing for me that I don't charge anybody else with. I decided to exercise faith.

I am and have ever been a faith preacher. I preach divine healing hot and heavy. I believe it. I think we insult the price Jesus paid for our healing when we run straight for a pill bottle instead of praying.

So I determined that I would take it by faith and that was what I did.

Now I have a healed back and a testimony.

[Carpenter]

well I admit, I use about everything I can get my hands on.
I take my breif case to church and come prepared with EVERYTHING.
a bottle cough and congestion
a cocktail of advil and tylonel (advil for to relax the muscles and tyl. for pain)
nasal spray
clariton for allergies
12 hour sudefed for sinus headaches
excedrin migraine for severe headaches
then I have benedryl, melatonin and sleeping pills to help me sleep.

Oh ye of little faith...

:slaphappy :slaphappy

I know there was a story making the rounds of a very prolific pastor's wife hooked on diet pills...

[SDG]

I do NOT preach that it is wrong to use pain medicine, nor do I believe it.

My decision not to use it was a personal thing for me that I don't charge anybody else with. I decided to exercise faith.

I am and have ever been a faith preacher. I preach divine healing hot and heavy. I believe it. I think we insult the price Jesus paid for our healing when we run straight for a pill bottle instead of praying.

So I determined that I would take it by faith and that was what I did.

Now I have a healed back and a testimony.

Great testimony CS

[Thad]

Oh ye of little faith...

:slaphappy :slaphappy

I know there was a story making the rounds of a very prolific pastor's wife hooked on diet pills...

LOL! I don't use it unless i really have to to get thru the service or night.
some stuff I end up throwing away because it sits unused for so long

[Scott Hutchinson]

I am afraid to take sleeping pills unless a doctor told me to.

[CC1]

I do NOT preach that it is wrong to use pain medicine, nor do I believe it.

My decision not to use it was a personal thing for me that I don't charge anybody else with. I decided to exercise faith.

I am and have ever been a faith preacher. I preach divine healing hot and heavy. I believe it. I think we insult the price Jesus paid for our healing when we run straight for a pill bottle instead of praying.

So I determined that I would take it by faith and that was what I did.

Now I have a healed back and a testimony.

This clarification was what I was hoping was the case. I am so glad the Lord healed you from such a terrible accident.

[CupCake]


I remember years ago the Redding calif church had an older evangelist admitted he was hook on pain killer for a bad back and asked the church to pray for him.

[rrford]

Small side note:

Having pastored in a town with a large military base and population, it was intersting to me how many of the military folks in the church were always on some prescription or another. Ran to the doc for every little ache and pain because it was readily available. Preached about it a few times and was not well received. Go figure...

[Actaeon]

Small side note:

Having pastored in a town with a large military base and population, it was intersting to me how many of the military folks in the church were always on some prescription or another. Ran to the doc for every little ache and pain because it was readily available. Preached about it a few times and was not well received. Go figure...

We don't make prescriptions - we cause em ....... :toofunny

[rrford]

We don't make prescriptions - we cause em ....... :toofunny

Come to think of it, a few of those folks may have really felt I was the cause of their pain.

[Felicity]

I am afraid to take sleeping pills unless a doctor told me to.I've never had a sleeping pill or even part of one yet. If you check our medicine cabinets and cupboard there are practically no meds. We keep Tylenol or Aspirin around usually although we're out at the moment, and some cold meds like NeoCitran that sort of thing. Other than that, nothing. We just don't usually need it except in the case needing an antibiotic occasionally.

I thank the Lord every day I live for health and strength.

[Fonix]

Pastor Bud Tingle in kentucky is one of the ones who pulled his own teeth out with pliers .

some of you may know him. he sends out an Apostolic news paper.
he has a church called "Christian tabernacle" and they have a Big camp meeting every year

.

Been There

[COOPER]

The unmentionable sin of the abuse of prescription medicine from what I hear it is an epidemic among every stripe and flavor of Pentecost. Are you hearing very much said about it across the pulpits where you attend or visit?

And most Preachers look, dress and talk like that Prescription addict

RUSH Limbaugh.
:slaphappy

[Just a Shepherd]

And most Preachers look, dress and talk like that Prescription addict

RUSH Limbaugh.
:slaphappy

It was an incredible stretch, coop but you managed to an get anti-preacher dig in even on this topic. Serious mental gymnastics there.

[philjones]

Just my two cents before I have to get started on some proposals for my customers...

This, ABUSE not use of prescription drugs, is indeed a problem in society and as such it is usually mirrored in the church and often, as in divorce, it may be worse in the church than in general society. I guess that is because we, Pentecostals, have become so adept at self justification that we manage to justify any action we may take with no regard to the absolute measure, Jesus Christ, and His Word!

This problem is not exclusively that of the elderly or the teens. It cuts across the boundaries of age and social status. It penetrates the homes of preachers as much as it does the homes of the saints.

The root is that we are dependent by nature and in our carnality it is easier to trust that which is seen rather than that which is not seen. We have become a pathetic prosthetic church because we replace prayer with programs and faith with pharmaceuticals. I am not condemning... in many ways I am confessing and repenting!

We have got to return to a dependence and TRUST in God that seems to have been left on the other side of the tracks when Pentecost became respectable and socially acceptable.

JMHO and no offense intended!

[Old Paths]

I've never had a sleeping pill or even part of one yet. If you check our medicine cabinets and cupboard there are practically no meds. We keep Tylenol or Aspirin around usually although we're out at the moment, and some cold meds like NeoCitran that sort of thing. Other than that, nothing. We just don't usually need it except in the case needing an antibiotic occasionally.

I thank the Lord every day I live for health and strength.



Just wait until you get OLD and then you will really appreciate "health and strength".

:D

[Old Paths]

It was an incredible stretch, coop but you managed to an get anti-preacher dig in even on this topic. Serious mental gymnastics there.


Now this is funny!

[Old Paths]

If :donuts coffee :hypercoffee is a :coffee2 drug then I'm DEAD.

I AM NOT ADDICTED TO COFFEE!

I AM NOT ADDICTED TO COFFEE!

I AM NOT ADDICTED TO COFFEE!

I AM NOT ADDICTED TO COFFEE!

I AM NOT ADDICTED TO COFFEE!

I AM NOT ADDICTED TO COFFEE!

I AM NOT ADDICTED TO COFFEE!

I AM NOT ADDICTED TO COFFEE!


*Me without coffffffeeeeeeeeeeeee!*


:banghead

[COOPER]

And most Preachers look, dress and talk like that Prescription addict

RUSH Limbaugh.
:slaphappy

It was funny!!! :happydance

[Old Paths]

It was an incredible stretch, coop but you managed to an get anti-preacher dig in even on this topic. Serious mental gymnastics there.

It was funny!!! :happydance



Awww come on!

Rush has NEVER looked as goood as me.:tiphat

[COOPER]

Awww come on!

Rush has NEVER looked as goood as me.:tiphat
:neener Ok Handsome.

[crakjak]

Then the subject is mute. Evidently there is no subject.

Steve, I believe there is a serious problem not only in the church but in the culture at large. I believe the large pharmaceutical companies are promoting drugs that are at best not helpful, and at worst are dangerous. The billions to be made from a major FDA approval is corrupting these companies, and therefore we need to be incredibly proactive concerning what we take of this junk. The way that children, especially boys are being medicated to control normal behavior that absentee parents lack the time or energy to deal with, is absolutely criminal.

Duh, has anyone read the side effects of the junk the throw down their throats?? Yes I agree it is epidemic.

Modern medicine, for accidents and dramatic diseases is doing a good job keeping folks from immediate death, however for prevention and good health; modern medicine is without any substance.

I am not against doctors, I believe in prayer for wisdom and protection, and I believe I am responsible for what goes into my body and a lifestyle that promotes good health. If I don't do my part I will die young. Hey, it works I am 56 and in good health. To God be praise, he gave me a wife that learned of good nutrition early.

[crakjak]

Just my two cents before I have to get started on some proposals for my customers...

This, ABUSE not use of prescription drugs, is indeed a problem in society and as such it is usually mirrored in the church and often, as in divorce, it may be worse in the church than in general society. I guess that is because we, Pentecostals, have become so adept at self justification that we manage to justify any action we may take with no regard to the absolute measure, Jesus Christ, and His Word!

This problem is not exclusively that of the elderly or the teens. It cuts across the boundaries of age and social status. It penetrates the homes of preachers as much as it does the homes of the saints.

The root is that we are dependent by nature and in our carnality it is easier to trust that which is seen rather than that which is not seen. We have become a pathetic prosthetic church because we replace prayer with programs and faith with pharmaceuticals. I am not condemning... in many ways I am confessing and repenting!

We have got to return to a dependence and TRUST in God that seems to have been left on the other side of the tracks when Pentecost became respectable and socially acceptable.

JMHO and no offense intended!

I should have read on before I posted, Phil you said it very well before I posted. This is so painfully true.

[ILG]

The unmentionable sin of the abuse of prescription medicine from what I hear it is an epidemic among every stripe and flavor of Pentecost. Are you hearing very much said about it across the pulpits where you attend or visit?

Nope. But then I don't attend Apostolic churches either. I think that prescription medication is a tool that should be used sparingly, when necessary. But I also think that people should educate themselves of the drug industry and know that not everything done in the name of medicine is for our benefit. I just red a book called Racketeering in Medicine: The Suppression of Alternatives and there is another good book called Confessions of a Medical Heretic. Just because it is medicine doesn't necessarily make it good for you. We need to be wise. On the other hand, the Bible talks of some medicine so it can't all be bad.

[crakjak]

Just don't take too much... it's bad for the gut in excessive doses from what I understand.

Not is it good for your long term health, please do not abuse this junk.

[tbpew]

The topic does give us a platform for discussing the role of PAIN and suffering in the system of things pertaining to our bodies; systems that God is the master builder, designer, archetect.

Does God expect us to find contentment from within chronic or continual pain?

Does ingesting chemical that BLOCKS brain communication of a PAIN signal serve us in the long term? Is it God's gift as a remedy or is it man's symptom management. I am not condemning any one seeking the symptom management but just wondering how does one chart this course? Will a life now perpetually ingest chemicals that our liver must constantly filter. Will there be increases of Cirrhosis-type afflictions involving organs that are called upon to filter the blood.


Since the availability of new pain management chemicals like oxycodone are being experienced, not only is the pain signal blocked but an sense of euphoria is also introduced.

I understand a little about euphoria from former days where the "old man" was involved with controlled substances. Any degree of euphoria that replaces chronic pain would be a "mainline" to a chemical dependance.

The other aspect that fuels my cynacism is that symtom management is a far more lucrative system of health care delivery then curative approaches. The symptom is less detectable, the patient is not complaining (or sueing), everybody is getting paid.

[Rhoni]

Nope. But then I don't attend Apostolic churches either. I think that prescription medication is a tool that should be used sparingly, when necessary. But I also think that people should educate themselves of the drug industry and know that not everything done in the name of medicine is for our benefit. I just red a book called Racketeering in Medicine: The Suppression of Alternatives and there is another good book called Confessions of a Medical Heretic. Just because it is medicine doesn't necessarily make it good for you. We need to be wise. On the other hand, the Bible talks of some medicine so it can't all be bad.

ILG,

I agree with you! I know BiPolar and ADHD can be controlled through natural minerals and vitamins, with adjustments in diet...there are very few times that medication is absolutely necessary for some of these things...our society is far too over-medicated!

I do know that Physician's offices are bombarded with reps from pharm. companies and the free samples they give out to get the Dr to prescribe their medications...it is a racket and keep shte hypochondriac coming back for more.

Blessings, Rhoni

[crakjak]

This is sad. To require this is also a form of abuse IMO.

But to answer your question, YES. I am seeing a renewed push to get the entire population on drugs. I guess what bothers me the most is the psychotropic prescriptions they are putting kids on. First they introduce a new "disorder" then the mircle cure in the presciption form. Bothersome to me.

It is all about the money, if a pharmaceutical company get a FDA approval and can get doctors to prescribe it for a major "disorder" it is billions $$$ and billions $$$, they are selling out. But we should not be ignorant and BUY!!

I want to know what the doctor is prescribing and why, and what are the long term effects.

[crakjak]

Pastor poster,


I've known saints in my own church who give there kids Baby Niquil
so that they themselves can go to bed and not have to wake up.
I guess on accasion that would be okay. sometimes when I'm flying and i have to hear a screaming kids for 5 hours I feel like reaching for some :toofunny

the unspoken topic is Pastors and pastor's wives who are on Anti depressants !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOO DID I SAY THAT ?????????????



.running for cover!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, did I say this is Wrong. Terrible parenting, child abuse.

[crakjak]

well I admit, I use about everything I can get my hands on.
I take my breif case to church and come prepared with EVERYTHING.
a bottle cough and congestion
a cocktail of advil and tylonel (advil for to relax the muscles and tyl. for pain)
nasal spray
clariton for allergies
12 hour sudefed for sinus headaches
excedrin migraine for severe headaches
then I have benedryl, melatonin and sleeping pills to help me sleep.

Addict!

[CC1]

I personally know a young man who is bi polar and ADD who desperately needs to be on meds.

He is in his mid 20's and as a christian abhors the over medication in our society so has been determined for several years now not to take the medication he needs for these problems.

The result is that he cannot hold a job despite being highly educated, bi lingual, smart, handsome, good personality, etc.

The bi polar condition causes him to act on impulse sometimes and sooner or later it results in something inappropriate being done or said on the spur of the moment that costs him his job.

His wife told me she expects him to lose his current job despite his intense dedication and working many hours beyond what he is being paid. He has a lot of responsibility and a heavy job load but his ADD causes him to not be able to focus so he goes in a million different directions not able to get tasks done.

This young man is cutting off his nose to spite his face by trying to take such a stand against prescription medicene.

[tbpew]

Nope. But then I don't attend Apostolic churches either. I think that prescription medication is a tool that should be used sparingly, when necessary. But I also think that people should educate themselves of the drug industry and know that not everything done in the name of medicine is for our benefit. I just red a book called Racketeering in Medicine: The Suppression of Alternatives and there is another good book called Confessions of a Medical Heretic. Just because it is medicine doesn't necessarily make it good for you. We need to be wise. On the other hand, the Bible talks of some medicine so it can't all be bad.

A couple of things this post stirred....

1. In the 80's, a book forever changed me from youthful niaviate' (never know how to spell that) concerning the health biz, it was called "Male Practice". It was an fabulous "view of the forest" pertaining to the series of acceptable medical/health care practices involving women involved in delivering well-babies. WARNING: since then, do not come to my house and bring up obstetrics, you will get a verbal 'sunami' of praise for certified nurse midwifery.

I mention this because of the possibility that each of us default to assuming that our health care providers are all benevolent cross-breeds between Marcus Weleby and House (sorry for two overt TV references--please, I have no need to know if you have a TV).

The whole Hyppocratic oath is based on a "do no harm" foundation. I do not see the current pattern of "rush to prescribe" as demonstrating this principal of conduct. Antibotics for viruses, pain blockers for any particular symptom, may be a long departure from what this medical philosopher purposed. Excerpt below:
I will prescribe regimen for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgement and never do harm to anyone. To please no one will I prescribe a deadly drug nor give advice which may cause his death. Nor will I give a woman a pessary to procure abortion.

[Trouvere]

The unmentionable sin of the abuse of prescription medicine from what I hear it is an epidemic among every stripe and flavor of Pentecost. Are you hearing very much said about it across the pulpits where you attend or visit?

Whew.It must be the back pain meds.