Medical Marijuana

[Just a Shepherd]

New Mexico just became the 12th state to legalize it. What sould be the proper response by Apostlics in your opinion? Should there be a stance against it?

Would you smoke it if prescribed for you?

[Trouvere]

no no no no I don't smoke it no more..........

[Praxeas]

New Mexico just became the 12th state to legalize it. What sould be the proper response by Apostlics in your opinion? Should there be a stance against it?

Would you smoke it if prescribed for you?
I'd opt for something else because pot affects your mind. It's a mild hallucinogen

[Rhoni]

Many of my clients are guilty of self medicating with pot...it does take the edge off. An anti-anxiety med. The down size is that for many it tends to be a depressant...not a good thing.

Blessings, Rhoni

[chosenbyone]

I have known people that used marijuana for medicinal purposes. Studies have proved it to be very affective in reducing muscle spasms in MS patients and preventing the wasting syndromes of chronic loss of appetite associated with chemotherapy and AIDS.

I have taken Marinol before which is the synthetic version of THC. It did relieve my nausea and increased my appetite. Marinol was very expensive and wasn't covered under my insurance's drug plan. I stopped taken Marinol because it was just too expensive.

Many people don't have a problem with taken synthetic drugs prescribed by physicians and I don't think that Cannibas should be exempt if it was effective in bringing relief to people that suffer from various illnesses.

Cannibas was used for many centuries in treating people with various ailments until the US in the 1930's put a tax on Cannibas and later made it illegal.

[COOPER]

I'd opt for something else because pot affects your mind. It's a mild hallucinogen
Extremely mild, you would have to smoke some extremely potent stuff to even begin hallucinogen.

Most cough suppressants will give you a big Acid trip if you drank the whole bottle.

[COOPER]

New Mexico just became the 12th state to legalize it. What sould be the proper response by Apostlics in your opinion? Should there be a stance against it?

Would you smoke it if prescribed for you?

:igotit Brownies?

[Rhoni]

Extremely mild, you would have to smoke some extremely potent stuff to even begin hallucinogen.

Most cough suppressants will give you a big Acid trip if you drank the whole bottle.

Marijuana is not typically a hallucinagin...the adolescent street drug of choice is called the Triple C: Corecidin Cough and Cold.

[Neck]

New Mexico just became the 12th state to legalize it. What sould be the proper response by Apostlics in your opinion? Should there be a stance against it?

Would you smoke it if prescribed for you?

I have not thought about a stance on this as of yet. But isn't taking some pain meds just as bad?

Neckstadt

[Chan]

New Mexico just became the 12th state to legalize it. What sould be the proper response by Apostlics in your opinion? Should there be a stance against it?

Would you smoke it if prescribed for you?I think the government needs to get its nose out of trying to protect people from themselves. As for the use of this particular substance for medical purposes, that's a question that should be left to physicians.

Let us not forget that when Coca Cola was first invented, it contained cocaine.

[Trouvere]

Coke....its the real thing.


The amount of cancer causing chemicals involved in smoking something far overweighs the medical benefits if you ask me.Plus the fact that marijuana opens you up to spirits.For the apostolic person I don't think its a choice.
There are many things out there now to help that don't have to be bodily abusive to rid someone of the side effects of nausea that comes with chemo
or cancer.Just some thoughts.

[Chan]

Coke....its the real thing.


The amount of cancer causing chemicals involved in smoking something far overweighs the medical benefits if you ask me.Plus the fact that marijuana opens you up to spirits.For the apostolic person I don't think its a choice.
There are many things out there now to help that don't have to be bodily abusive to rid someone of the side effects of nausea that comes with chemo
or cancer.Just some thoughts.I don't accept this notion that chemical substances opens people up to spirits. One would hope that there could be a way of taking whatever it is in marijuana that is supposedly beneficial, extract it from the cannabis plant, and make a medicine out of it.

It isn't the act of smoking that produces cancer-causing chemicals. The chemicals are ADDED by cigarette manufacturers and I would challenge you to show me where such chemicals are added to cannabis.

[Pressing-On]

:igotit Brownies?
:toofunny

[Ferd]

One my my guide posts in dealing with issues is what I like to call the "Tool Box Theory"

It goes something like this:
If I were working on a car, I would want the best tools to get the job done. one could use a socket set or a box in wrench interchangably in many instances.

Does that mean I would only use box end wrenches and never purchase/use the socket set? of course not.

Medical Marijuana is much the same. It is a drug that is proven to help certain people in certain situations. period. There are other drugs available for those situation. But the question is what works best for the patient?

CB1 clearly stated that the artificial THC can help a chemo patient with nausia and lack of appitite. So does Pot. for some the artificial THC works, for others Pot might work better. without drug coverage Pot is clearly less expensive.

Both are tools. why limit the tools avialable to Doctors? that is insane.

[Pressing-On]

New Mexico just became the 12th state to legalize it. What sould be the proper response by Apostlics in your opinion? Should there be a stance against it?

Would you smoke it if prescribed for you?

If I was in a lot of pain, I might think about that. Bong or paper? Lots to decide :toofunny

[MrsMcD]

I don't think I could use medical marijuana period. Then again, if I were in enough pain, I might could.

[Praxeas]

Extremely mild, you would have to smoke some extremely potent stuff to even begin hallucinogen.

Most cough suppressants will give you a big Acid trip if you drank the whole bottle.
Hallucinations are not always seeing purple elephants. Hallucinations can be distortions of reality....like loss of time. I remember when I first smoked pot...and we always had potent stuff btw, I did not think I was being affected. Then my friend looked at me and I started laughing hysterically for no reason. When I had stopped laughing I suddenly realized everyone had left the room. The distortion of how long I was laughing was a hallucination.

The point is your cognizant abilities are not what they should be. That is why I am against drugs like that that affect your mind

[Chan]

Originally Posted by CHAN

I don't accept this notion that chemical substances opens people up to spirits. One would hope that there could be a way of taking whatever it is in marijuana that is supposedly beneficial, extract it from the cannabis plant, and make a medicine out of it.

It isn't the act of smoking that produces cancer-causing chemicals. The chemicals are ADDED by cigarette manufacturers and I would challenge you to show me where such chemicals are added to cannabis.
Just to clarify here, I am not advocating the use of cannabis. I do, however, believe the government has no constitutional authority to legislate either for or against its use.

If there is another way of obtaining the relief that cannabis supposedly provides without the problems resulting from cannabis intoxication, why shouldn't pharmaceutical companies be allowed to explore them? Hemp makes for an excellent cloth but we're not allowed to produce it in the United States because the government unconstitutionally made it illegal just because some hippies were getting high off the hemp plant. We need to get the government out of the way and let market forces work.

[HeavenlyOne]

I'd opt for something else because pot affects your mind. It's a mild hallucinogen

So are most schedule II narcotics.

Edited to say....it's not a hallucinogen. I misread that when I posted.

[Fonix]

HeavenlyOne
What are schedule 2 narcotics? Like psycotropic drugs or Pain Killers?

[HeavenlyOne]

HeavenlyOne
What are schedule 2 narcotics? Like psycotropic drugs or Pain Killers?

Most are pain killers, yes.

Others are meds like Ritalin....CNS stimulants.

[Rico]

no no no no I don't smoke it no more..........


......I'm tired of wakin up on de floor. No thank you, please it only makes me sneeze. Then it makes it hard to find de door! :)

[CupCake]

My father in law used Medical Marijuana in the last stag of liver cancer, he was able to eat and spend what little time he had left without pain instead of being in a drug haze from morphine. I think it’s up to the person, if someone is hurting I feel I have no right to say no, their body.

[Rico]

I believe very strongly in medicinal use of marijuana. It has to be one of nature's strongest pain relievers. I used it about three years ago because of a back injury and don't know how I would have made it through that time without it (no health insurance.)

[CupCake]

I believe very strongly in medicinal use of marijuana. It has to be one of nature's strongest pain relievers. I used it about three years ago because of a back injury and don't know how I would have made it through that time without it (no health insurance.)

I have never tried or used marijuana in my life, that said I would never tell another person who's in pain that they could not or should not use it. It's like any other drug that kills pain, you must be wise. Plus from what I understand Medical Marijuana is not as strong, as the street stuff, not sure if that's true or not.

[Rico]

I have never tried or used marijuana in my life, that said I would never tell another person who's in pain that they could not or should not use it. It's like any other drug that kills pain, you must be wise. Plus from what I understand Medical Marijuana is not as strong, as the street stuff, not sure if that's true or not.


I honestly don't know if there is a difference or not. One would think that the medically grown version would be stronger.

[CupCake]

I honestly don't know if there is a difference or not. One would think that the medically grown version would be stronger.

I would think also, but I have never used it street or otherwise so I don't know. Unless they add something to street kind like PCP, maybe that's what they meant. When my father in law passed away they made sure what he left over was picked up. He did have some seeds left over, that were returned back to the company.

[Bryan]

New Mexico just became the 12th state to legalize it. What sould be the proper response by Apostlics in your opinion? Should there be a stance against it?

Would you smoke it if prescribed for you?Yes, mild Px doesn't do a thing for me, and the stronger Px almost gives me night seizures.

[Bryan]

Smoking small amounts help with my anxiety. Smoking large amounts almost give me a panic attack...

[Trouvere]

I don't accept this notion that chemical substances opens people up to spirits. One would hope that there could be a way of taking whatever it is in marijuana that is supposedly beneficial, extract it from the cannabis plant, and make a medicine out of it.

It isn't the act of smoking that produces cancer-causing chemicals. The chemicals are ADDED by cigarette manufacturers and I would challenge you to show me where such chemicals are added to cannabis.

The act of combustion releases chemicals.
God did not make us chimmenys.
Chan I disagree with you on this one.
I sense a libertarian spirit.Is it so?

[Chan]

The act of combustion releases chemicals.Releases chemicals that were ADDED to cigarettes by cigarette manufacturers.
God did not make us chimmenys.Whatever chimmenys are.
Chan I disagree with you on this one.You have the right to be wrong.
I sense a libertarian spirit. Is it so?There is no such thing as a libertarian "spirit." However, in terms of my view of the American government, I do take a Libertarian view, i.e. that the government has no constitutional authority in such matters.

[Ferd]

The act of combustion releases chemicals.
God did not make us chimmenys.
Chan I disagree with you on this one.
I sense a libertarian spirit.Is it so?

the act of eating releases chemicals

did God make us fertilizer producers?

please. where did you get this notion that smoking opens a person up to spirits?

Now I do belive that drugs can have that impact. any drug that alters conscience can open one up to spiritual issues. but smoke? that doesnt make any sense.

[Ferd]

There is no such thing as a libertarian "spirit." However, in terms of my view of the American government, I do take a Libertarian view, i.e. that the government has no constitutional authority in such matters.

me too!

[Trouvere]

Releases chemicals that were ADDED to cigarettes by cigarette manufacturers.
Whatever chimmenys are.
You have the right to be wrong.
There is no such thing as a libertarian "spirit." However, in terms of my view of the American government, I do take a Libertarian view, i.e. that the government has no constitutional authority in such matters.

I knew it(libertarianism) and I don't feel I am wrong.It has been said that cannabis has alot of chemicals that are released in burning it.Also it has been said that it effects your genetics and hormones.You also have a right to be wrong:dogkiss

[Ferd]

I knew it(libertarianism) and I don't feel I am wrong.It has been said that cannabis has alot of chemicals that are released in burning it.Also it has been said that it effects your genetics and hormones.You also have a right to be wrong:dogkiss

do you really think saying things like "it has been said" is a valid argument?

[Chan]

I knew it(libertarianism) Yes, I am politically a Libertarian. I believe it is not the government's responsibility to protect people from themselves and that the government has no constitutional authority to legislate either for or against the ingestion of any kind of plant matter.

and I don't feel I am wrong.You have the right to be wrong about this, too. After all, the heart (the seat of emotions/feelings) is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked. :D

It has been said that cannabis has alot of chemicals that are released in burning it.Also it has been said that it effects your genetics and hormones.Well, whether the process of burning cannabis produces a lot of chemicals (there's no such thing as "alot") is not particularly relevant here. Whether it might affect one's genes and hormones (cannabis does not effect, bring about, genetics or hormones) is also not particularly relevant since there are legal psychotropic medications that do very much the same thing.

You also have a right to be wrong:dogkissTrue.

[Trouvere]

the act of eating releases chemicals

did God make us fertilizer producers?

please. where did you get this notion that smoking opens a person up to spirits?

Now I do belive that drugs can have that impact. any drug that alters conscience can open one up to spiritual issues. but smoke? that doesnt make any sense.

You were born to eat but not to smoke.Sorry but its a nobrainer.

[Trouvere]

do you really think saying things like "it has been said" is a valid argument?

Is that really an educated question?

[Trouvere]

Yes, I am politically a Libertarian. I believe it is not the government's responsibility to protect people from themselves and that the government has no constitutional authority to legislate either for or against the ingestion of any kind of plant matter.

You have the right to be wrong about this, too. After all, the heart (the seat of emotions/feelings) is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked. :D

Well, whether the process of burning cannabis produces a lot of chemicals (there's no such thing as "alot") is not particularly relevant here. Whether it might affect one's genes and hormones (cannabis does not effect, bring about, genetics or hormones) is also not particularly relevant since there are legal psychotropic medications that do very much the same thing.

True.

Chan you are a good sport.I did pick up on the Libertarianism.Sorry but I have heard it so much of my life I recognize it well :)
I don't care for mind altering or physically intergrating chemicals.I don't feel God made us to be lab rats for the wide world of medicine.I do however think that more money could be poured into research and things created that had less side effects.Face it most medications developed by drug companies for anyone with a fatal illiness are outrageously overpriced.Just one card or thirty pills of Norvair cost a friend of mine eight hundred and fifty dollars.Sadly she is going to have to take this or another like it until either God heals her or she dies from the disease.
Where marijuana is concerned if the chemicals in canabis were isolated and put into an oral formula it would probably work much better or even an oral inhaler or something that works in a nebulizer.It is possible just not available.

[Timmy]

I'd like to clear up one of the myths about marijuana: that it kills ... uh, that it kills brain... thing-a-majigs. Brain ... uh. What was I talking about, again?

[Felicity]

I'd like to clear up one of the myths about marijuana: that it kills ... uh, that it kills brain... thing-a-majigs. Brain ... uh. What was I talking about, again?LOL!

Cells! Brain cells! Glad to help you out with that. :tiphat

[The Kid]

I've never smoked marrywana in my life, I used to watch guys do it amazed they didn't lose their minds or their mothers beat them to a pulp if she found out...like mine most undoubtedly would have...

[Felicity]

I never had any interest. It just seemed like a really dumb thing to do to me.

And besides, I was already happy and "mellow". :toofunny

I had an "altered consciousness" and that was because of a relationship with Jesus Christ.

[HeavenlyOne]

I know personally a couple of people who smoked pot and are now labeled as mentally retarded. One is a guy I used to like when we were teens, but now he's unable to work or even live by himself. His mind is like a 12 yr old.

The other is a girl who is about 24 who is in and out of mental hospitals. Her cognitive thinking no longer exists. Sadly, she had a baby last year that thankfully was taken from her soon after giving birth. She doesn't seem to even realize she has a child somewhere.

However, this thread isn't about casual pot use. It's speaking of those who are chronic pain sufferers, and in most cases, their disease will kill them before the pot makes them retarded. The pot isn't used to give them a normal life or to help them to be able to work. It's to provide relief they cannot get from other medicines.

[Bryan]

I know personally a couple of people who smoked pot and are now labeled as mentally retarded. One is a guy I used to like when we were teens, but now he's unable to work or even live by himself. His mind is like a 12 yr old.

The other is a girl who is about 24 who is in and out of mental hospitals. Her cognitive thinking no longer exists. Sadly, she had a baby last year that thankfully was taken from her soon after giving birth. She doesn't seem to even realize she has a child somewhere.

However, this thread isn't about casual pot use. It's speaking of those who are chronic pain sufferers, and in most cases, their disease will kill them before the pot makes them retarded. The pot isn't used to give them a normal life or to help them to be able to work. It's to provide relief they cannot get from other medicines.I have a friend who was a chronic smoker in high school. He's a genius!
I know users who didn't have that huge of a habit and they are stupid!!

I was a chronic user when I was young, and I quit cold turkey! It really messed up my concentration. I'm fine now.

[HeavenlyOne]

I have a friend who was a chronic smoker in high school. He's a genius!
I know users who didn't have that huge of a habit and they are stupid!!

I was a chronic user when I was young, and I quit cold turkey! It really messed up my concentration. I'm fine now.

I'm talking about people who have smoked for several years, not just in high school. I suppose physiology factors in there somewhere too.

[Bryan]

I'm talking about people who have smoked for several years, not just in high school. I suppose physiology factors in there somewhere too.
I know old[er] people who have smoked since they were very young, and they function well. :)

[HeavenlyOne]

I know old[er] people who have smoked since they were very young, and they function well. :)

That's why I made the statement about physiology. Just like alcohol, some people can handle it more than others.

Weird how these things work.

[Bryan]

That's why I made the statement about physiology. Just like alcohol, some people can handle it more than others.

Weird how these things work.

I was going to ask doc for medical marijuana. Decided I'll hold out.. if the pain gets any worse...

[HeavenlyOne]

I was going to ask doc for medical marijuana. Decided I'll hold out.. if the pain gets any worse...

Tell me about your pain.

[Bryan]

Tell me about your pain.
uh, My rotator cuff on the left hurts at times.. my right shoulder is separated. That hurts only on extremely cold days! My neck gets jammed sometimes. My head hurts on a daily basis! Sometimes I get a pain on the left side, and my eye loses vision for a second or two. :shrugs: