Bill Drost

[Sam]

Disclaimer: I'm not asking this for the sake of Gossip or to slam an individual or an organization. I'm just curious.

A while back I read the book, "Bill Drost the Pentecost."
It is a biography of Bill Drost, an Apostolic missionary, and it is has a copyright date of 2000 by Word Aflame. It is a great book about a great man and what he did for God.

Today I was searching through a bunch of old Pentecostal Heralds and I found the following notice on page 7 of the July 1966 issue:

SPECIAL NOTICE
This is to advise that William
F. (Bill) Drost and his wife Ruth
have withdrawn their member-
ship from the United Pentecostal
Church. Because of this they are
no longer missionaries of this or-
ganization.
S.W. Chambers
General Secretary

Can anybody tell me what happened?
On pages 233 and 234 of the biography, that is about the time he left South America and went to Spain.

[Pastor Keith]

Disclaimer: I'm not asking this for the sake of Gossip or to slam an individual or an organization. I'm just curious.

A while back I read the book, "Bill Drost the Pentecost."
It is a biography of Bill Drost, an Apostolic missionary, and it is has a copyright date of 2000 by Word Aflame. It is a great book about a great man and what he did for God.

Today I was searching through a bunch of old Pentecostal Heralds and I found the following notice on page 7 of the July 1966 issue:

SPECIAL NOTICE
This is to advise that William
F. (Bill) Drost and his wife Ruth
have withdrawn their member-
ship from the United Pentecostal
Church. Because of this they are
no longer missionaries of this or-
ganization.
S.W. Chambers
General Secretary

Can anybody tell me what happened?
On pages 233 and 234 of the biography, that is about the time he left South America and went to Spain.


IF I am not mistaken, I think he wanted to change his field of work/labor and they would not let him, so he went on his own. But my memory is vague.

[George]

I believe Keith is right. Drost felt God was calling him to a different field and the UPC missions board would not approve his change of country.

[SDG]

Crazy times in South America in the late 60's and early '70s within the missions field ... especially in Colombia.

[Pastor Keith]

Crazy times in South America in the late 60's and early '70s within the missions field ... especially in Colombia.

Amazing that God would use a Trinitarian AOG Evangelist/Faith Healer the one and only Smith Wigglesworth to confirm his calling too.

I wonder if Epley thinks he was saved.

[Bishop1]

He, along with Wynn Stairs , and a group of several other Ministers
all left the UPCI at the same time - Part of the problem was the %
of Missionary Funding being withheld by headquarters -

[SDG]

He, along with Wynn Stairs , and a group of several other Ministers
all left the UPCI at the same time - Part of the problem was the % of Missionary
Funding withheld by headquarters -

Any evidence that Drost was "not preaching the New Birth message", Bishop?

Didn't TF Tenney level this charge in the early 70's about some on the mission field ... especially in S. America?

[Pastor Keith]

Any evidence that Drost was "not preaching the New Birth message", Bishop?

Didn't TF Tenney level this charge in the early 70's about some on the mission field ... especially in S. America?

funny how things come back around.

[Pastor Keith]

He, along with Wynn Stairs , and a group of several other Ministers
all left the UPCI at the same time - Part of the problem was the %
of Missionary Funding being withheld by headquarters -

Where have you been, I miss your historical perspectives.

[Sam]

Any evidence that Drost was "not preaching the New Birth message", Bishop?

Didn't TF Tenney level this charge in the early 70's about some on the mission field ... especially in S. America?

Didn't Bro. Tenney do that to get Bro.Vouga out of that position?

[SDG]

Was Drost in Colombia or Uruguay in 1966?

[SDG]

An interesting book about Pentecostalism in Colombia ... that I got to peruse in college has some fascinating history about Larsen, Morley, Thompson, Drost and others from a outsider's "sociological" perspective.

Here is an excerpt:

http://books.google.com/books?id=8MCSbow5uboC&pg=PA34&lpg=PA34&dq=Campo+elias+colombia+pentecostal&source=bl&ots=QY-UAUatt4&sig=kzE6Rl7iXDk55nSAayxFgHgHocc&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA57,M1

[Sam]

Was Drost in Colombia or Uruguay in 1966?

On page 234 it says "leaving Peru was almost as hard as leaving Columbia; in fact, it was harder in one respect: the work did not have the degree of development that Columbia's work had when they left."

[SDG]

On page 234 it says "leaving Peru was almost as hard as leaving Columbia; in fact, it was harder in one respect: the work did not have the degree of development that Columbia's work had when they left."


In the Pentecostalism in Colombia book its says he left to Uruguay in 1959 ... perhaps he returned back to Colombia?

[ChTatum]

Was his son In Mexico around 1995? And his grandsons as well? I had the wonderful opportunity to attend the Mexican UPC National Conference that year.

They were doing an excellent work in Mexico at that time.

[George]

And the politics were wicked - - - just as they are today.

[SDG]

By 1969 ... the push for a national based work came to a head in Colombia ... wanting no more American based intervention

Morleys and Thompsons resigned from the United Pentecostal Church of Colombia to stay under the American based org ...

Page 69 ...

http://books.google.com/books?id=8MCSbow5uboC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0#PPA69,M1


Can one surmise that Drost was also looking for a ground that was less "politicized" in Europe?

[SDG]

And the politics were wicked - - - just as they are today.


Wicked indeed ... having spoken to some that were there ... nationals and missionaries ...

Including Pastor Barley who was in Venezuela and Guatemala ...

[SDG]

Read page 63 ...

Drost and Larsen ... went with Stairs under the Canadian branch ...

The Canadians were supporting the Colombian church to break w/ the US church ... circa 1965


http://books.google.com/books?id=8MCSbow5uboC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0#PPA66,M1


This may answer your question, Sam.

[jaxfam6]

Was his son In Mexico around 1995? And his grandsons as well? I had the wonderful opportunity to attend the Mexican UPC National Conference that year.

They were doing an excellent work in Mexico at that time.

I don't know if that was his son and grandsons but yes there were Drost's in Mexico. The one is now in Texas if I remember right. He is a fantastic preacher and great person in general.

[Sam]

In the Pentecostalism in Colombia book its says he left to Uruguay in 1959 ... perhaps he returned back to Colombia?

It's been a while since I read the book. I can't remember where all he went when.

On page 149, chapter 19 is titled "Opening in Ecuador."
A date is not given. He went in for a while and preached and baptized some folks. Someone had witnessed to them previously. He was arrested and charged with disturbing the peace. When a judge told him he did not have a permit for preaching, he showed him Mark 16:15 and the judge let him go.

The next chapter has a reference to 1952 in it.

Chapter 29, page 213 tells about going to Peru.

[SDG]

I don't know if that was his son and grandsons but yes there were Drost's in Mexico. The one is now in Texas if I remember right. He is a fantastic preacher and great person in general.


Marcos, grandson, is in Texas ....

Bill's son is T. Wynn ... who is the Supt. of the work in Mexico for the UPCI

... more on T. Wynn ... here http://www.bethelchristian.org/content/view/41/88/

T. Wynn is a great speaker!!!! His Spanish is impeccable!!!

[jaxfam6]

Marcos, grandson, is in Texas ....

Bill's son is T. Wynn ... who is the Supt. of the work in Mexico for the UPCI

... more on T. Wynn ... here http://www.bethelchristian.org/content/view/41/88/

T. Wynn is a great speaker!!!! His Spanish is impeccable!!!

Yep that is the one. He was preaching for us the Sunday my youngest received the Holy Ghost.

[SDG]

Yep that is the one. He was preaching for us the Sunday my youngest received the Holy Ghost.

Great guy ... Marcos ... last saw him in Stockton in 2006 ... SEM conference.

Daniel??? ... well ..... quite the character !!!!!

We had some heated debate one time over dinner about LaHayes teachings on temperaments ...

Steven, I believe(?), and my oldest brother .... may have got into some trouble w/ the police when the hopped a NYC subway years ago.
Oops ... did I say that?

[SDG]

read page 63 ...

drost and larsen ... Went with stairs under the canadian branch ...

the canadians were supporting the colombian church to break w/ the us church ... Circa 1965


http://books.google.com/books?id=8MCSbow5uboC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0#PPA66,M1


this may answer your question, sam.

bump for sam-age.

[Sam]

bump for sam-age.

My iMac had problems downloading the stuff on that site.

[SDG]

My iMac had problems downloading the stuff on that site.

Fixed the links ...

However, sociologist Flora writes about 1965 ...

Division in the United Pentecostal Church in North America affected Colombian Pentecostals. Brother Stairs, of the
Canadian Branch of the United Pentecostal Church, led a separation movement of Canadian churches from the parent body.
A separate Canadian mission board was set up. The Larsens, in Colombia, and the Drosts, now in Uruguay, went with the Canadian
branch of the church, becoming their missionaries, financially dependent upon them instead of the United States. The Thompsons
and Morleys stayed with the U.S. branch of the church. The U.S. church was given Colombia as a missions field. The Canadians
began urging the Colombian Pentecostals to separate for the United States, make themselves independent and join in partnership
with the Canadians.

If I take what Bishop Holland says ... the center of this was control ... and especially control of the purse strings.

The national church in Colombia writes a manifesto in 1965 also.

In 1967 the break is finalized in Colombia ... Morley and Thompson resign from the national affiliation ... and stay with the mothership ... under the International umbrella.

I guess ... we can surmise that Drost ... was either sent to Spain by the Canadian mission board ... or decided Europe was a greener less politicized pasture than S. America ...

and of course in need of the message and heeding to the calling of God.

Lastly, Spain has been a challenge for Oneness Pentecostals ... even to this day ... it's strong roots in Catholicism and European liberalism ... might have appealed to Drost as challenging field to till.

Those Spaniards, Italians and French will not give up their wine.

OPs have yet to make a significant dent in this area of the world, IMO.

[SDG]

After the Colombians made their demands for sovereignty known in the manifesto in 1965 ...
Nationalization takes place in 1967 ... Zuniga takes the Supt. post.

Page 64 of Pentecostalism in Colombia, Baptism by Spirit and Fire, by Cornelia Butler Flora


Nationalization allowed the Colombian Church to work more closely with the Canadians. Conflict ensued between the Canadian and American interests in Colombia, the former being represented by the Larsens and the latter by the Thompsons and the Morleys.

The Larsen's daughter married a Colombian believer, and together with the Drosts and another Colombian couple were the first Latin American missionaries to Spain, funded jointly by the Colombian and Canadian United Pentecostal Churches.

The new constitution that came with nationalization relegated the missionaries that were in Colombia to an advisory role and explicitly forbade new foreign missionaries to enter the country. The missionaries were now to report their actions to the national junta, which would then decide whether or not the missionaries could go ahead with their proposed projects.

[SDG]

Things wee just as interesting in the Caribbean as in S. America .... for many years with missionaries like Smith and Burton

[Apprehended]

Bill Thompson once told me that the UPC Hq had cut off his funds. He had a SFC pickup truck that he had been given so he turned it into a taxi by which means he was able to survive until funds were restored. The UPCI had tried to dictate some things to him which were not acceptable. If need be, he had determined to no remain with the UPCI unless things had changed. They did. His money was restored and the stupid demands that they had placed on him were dropped.

[Sister Alvear]

My husband has a great love for the Drost family.

By the way I know the national from Columbia that was a head figure in the split...Brother Campos...Met him years ago...

I have my personal opinions about things like this but maybe should not express them as I am a missionary...

I will just say I feel sorry for all involved in splits...All were good people but like me they were human...

[SDG]

My husband has a great love for the Drost family.

By the way I know the national from Columbia that was a head figure in the split...Brother Campos...Met him years ago...

I have my personal opinions about things like this but maybe should not express them as I am a missionary...

I will just say I feel sorry for all involved in splits...All were good people but like me they were human...

Campos Elias left the national work with various churches some years later ... when he adopted "twinity" doctrine.

[Sister Alvear]

yes, Daniel you are correct...was his name Elias or Bernardo?

[Bishop1]

Fixed the links ...

However, sociologist Flora writes about 1965 ...



If I take what Bishop Holland says ... the center of this was control ...
and especially control of the purse strings.

The national church in Colombia writes a manifesto in 1965 also.
In 1967 the break is finalized in Colombia ... Morley and Thompson
resign from the national affiliation ... and stay with the mothership ...
under the International umbrella.

I guess ... we can surmise that Drost ... was either sent to Spain
by the Canadian mission board ... or decided Europe was a greener
less politicized pasture than S. America ...
and of course in need of the message and heeding to the calling of
God.

Lastly, Spain has been a challenge for Oneness Pentecostals ...
even to this day ... it's strong roots in Catholicism and European
liberalism ... might have appealed to Drost as challenging field to
till. Those Spaniards, Italians and French will not give up their wine.
OPs have yet to make a significant dent in this area of the world, IMO.




Thanks For That Book Link
It Verifies My Take On That Situation

The above mentioned split was entirely about the purse strings -

Case in Point
The Missionary Department Allocates Each Missionary An Annual Budget which.
in turn. is broken down to a monthly allowance - The Missionaries go on DEPUTATION
To the various UPCI Churches for the purpose of meeting the people and Pastors.
They Then Raise Funds and Pledges such as Parters In Missions ETC.
All Funds That Are Received Marked For That Missionary Are Applied To Their Account
Until That Monthly Allotment Is Fulfilled. If that quota is NOT met The
Foriegn NMissionary Department will apply the needed funds to cover the shortfall.

We found out. much to the Missionary's Dismay, each time we, as an Independant
Assembly, sent funds to UPCI Headquarters 'Designated For rMissionaries
that We Supported Our Funds Were Always Applied To The Proper Missionary's Account
{less 15% as Administration Expense}
BUT
If The FMD Had Already Applied ANY Undesignated Funds To That Account
They Would Take The Undesignated Amount Out Of Our Offering And put it in the
Foreigm Missionary General Fund.

We kept our ties with the Stairs, Drosts, Bristows, Morleys and the South America
Missionaries.Our Youth Dept sent Sis Morley A Weekly Letter That She Always
Looked Forward To Getting. Each Letter Always Contained Loose Tea
{the contents of 2 tea bags}
She would sift thru the mail and open that letter first, then brew her Tes And Then
Read Her Mail, She Never Forgot Us - LOL


I have never pastored a UPCI affiliated Church but we have always sent finiancial
support to several UPCI Missionaries and have since learned just how to get it there --

[Michael Phelps]

He, along with Wynn Stairs , and a group of several other Ministers
all left the UPCI at the same time - Part of the problem was the %
of Missionary Funding being withheld by headquarters -

I thought that whole percentage hullabaloo was started by Wilkins in the mid to late 80s?

[Sister Alvear]

Thank God for men and women of God that worked under trying circumstances....

[Steve Epley]

He, along with Wynn Stairs , and a group of several other Ministers
all left the UPCI at the same time - Part of the problem was the %
of Missionary Funding being withheld by headquarters -

They did not believe the New Birth message.

[Sister Alvear]

They did not believe the New Birth message.

Brother Epley what do you mean by that? ( They did not believe in the New Birth Message.)

[ChTatum]

I don't know if that was his son and grandsons but yes there were Drost's in Mexico. The one is now in Texas if I remember right. He is a fantastic preacher and great person in general.

And to that I agree. I still have a book "Orchestrating Revival" by W. Drost, and I read it when I need encouraging.

My greatest disappointment on that trip was the treatment received by Mexicans by the UPC preachers I was with.

There was a brother out of Gainesville, GA, that garnered my admiration, as well as my pastor at that time, who gave me the opportunity to be there, B. G. Miller.

[Sister Alvear]

I too have that book in fact I just loaned it to a new missionary.
I know Gerald and Dawn Drost are in Canada. I knew Dawn before she married!...
Gerald is one of Bill Drost´s sons.

[Sam]

Brother Epley what do you mean by that? ( They did not believe in the New Birth Message.)

Bro. Bill Drost and Bro. Wynn Stairs were what we call "one-steppers" on this forum.
It's not that they did not believe in the new birth --they believed a person was born again prior to water and Spirit baptism.
When Bro. Epley says, "They did not believe the New Birth Message," he means, "They did not believe the (three-step) New Birth Message as currently taught by many Oneness Pentecostals."

[Sister Alvear]

Well, that I do not know but I do know he baptized in Jesus Name and believed in the infilling of the HG...
Could we say that just those 3 steps saves a person? I think not...There are many steps to be saved! One of the steps is following on to know Him, another step is bearing fruit of a christian, another step is LOVE...and on and on...
However I now understand what Brother Epley meant...

I personally feel there are a lot of steps to be saved...and I am still taking them!

Saved at repentance .... one step....repentance,water baptism, HG ...three step....

Becoming like HIM...thousands of steps....

[Destiny2]

Sister Ruth Drost lives in Fredericton, N.B. Canada as does her youngest son Verner who pastors Symthe Street Cathedral. Gerald and Dawn live an hour away in Woodstock N.B.,they pastor a church in Maine.

[Steve Epley]

Brother Epley what do you mean by that? ( They did not believe in the New Birth Message.)

They did not believe the necessity of obeying Acts 2:38 to be born again.

[Sister Alvear]

How did they say a person is born again?

[Sister Alvear]

I only know stories of Brother Drost through stories my husband tells me...He seemed to be quite a man! He won my husbands heart when my husband was 12 I believe it was by buying him icecream and shoes for his birthday!
Strange but children grow to become adults but seldom forget some act of kindness shown to them.
I met Sister Ruth and we wrote back and forth for a long time years ago but they were no longer in South America they were in Spain.

[Steve Epley]

How did they say a person is born again?

They taught folks were born again at repentance.

[Sister Alvear]

I have no personal knowledge of what they personally believed...guess I thought they believed Acts 2:38.

[Sister Alvear]

They taught folks were born again at repentance.

I did not know that. Does the UPC teach that?

[Steve Epley]

I did not know that. Does the UPC teach that?

Some missionaries particularly those from the Atlantic district did not believe the new birth. And in time they were weeded out.

[Sister Alvear]

I thought they had some kind of belief sheet they had to sign?

[Steve Epley]

I thought they had some kind of belief sheet they had to sign?

The Atalntic district came in as a group not individuals.

[Neck]

He, along with Wynn Stairs , and a group of several other Ministers
all left the UPCI at the same time - Part of the problem was the %
of Missionary Funding being withheld by headquarters -

That couldn't be? Could it?

It always was so amazing to me, how the Mission field ministers had to come home and run around the country begging for money.

Then the board would not pass all the money through to the mission field.

[Sister Alvear]

I hate to go around to churches begging! Not all missionaries have to do this but many of us do...that is what I HATE about mission work...

[Sam]

I have no personal knowledge of what they personally believed...guess I thought they believed Acts 2:38.

They did believe Acts 2:38.
They preached Acts 2:38.
They practiced Acts 2:38.

They just believed a person was justified/saved/regenerated at repentance and subsequently got baptized in Jesus' Name and received the Holy Ghost Baptism.

[Pressing-On]

That couldn't be? Could it?

It always was so amazing to me, how the Mission field ministers had to come home and run around the country begging for money.

Then the board would not pass all the money through to the mission field.
That was one reason my sister and her husband left Poland. They loved it, spoke the language, but couldn't get the money sent that they ran around this country begging for.

[Sam]

I did not know that. Does the UPC teach that?

When the UPC was formed in 1945 some ministers taught that salvation happened at repentance and was to be followed by water and Spirit baptism. Others believed a person was not saved until repentance plus water and Spirit baptism had happened. The "fundamental doctrine" statement was worded the way it was to accommodate those of both opinions. Some of the UPC General Board of 1945 believed that salvation happened at repentance and some believed all three steps had to happen before a person was saved.

General Superintendent Howard Goss; Missions Secretary Wynn Stairs; Sunday School Director E.E. McNatt; and some District Presbyters (Brothers Greer and Yadon to name a couple) of the original UPC as it was formed in 1945 believed in what we term "one-step" salvation here. The original edition of the Pentecostal Herald (December 1945) said articles could be submitted from either viewpoint.

The "one-step" doctrine does not seem as prevalent in the UPC as it once was. I would have no idea what percentage of UPC ministers would be one-step or three-step today in 2009.

[Sister Alvear]

Well, I know what I personally believe however I am glad that God is the Judge...

[ChTatum]

They did believe Acts 2:38.
They preached Acts 2:38.
They practiced Acts 2:38.

They just believed a person was justified/saved/regenerated at repentance and subsequently got baptized in Jesus' Name and received the Holy Ghost Baptism.

I preach Acts 2:38 strong and hard, but God saves, not me. In recent times, I have come to think if someone repents, they have entered into covenant relationship, covenant meaning contract, with obligations on both parties, in the legal sense of the word "covenant".

Should death precede fulfilling covenant obligations, we have an advocate with the Father.

[Sister Alvear]

Guess it goes with the debate, When are sins remitted?

[Bishop1]

They did not believe the New Birth message.



!4 Adults Recieved The Holy Ghost During The Last Sermon
That Bishop Bill Drost Preached For Us And We Baptized
Them All In The Name Of Jesus Before They Went Home
That Night -

The HOLY GHOST Fell On Them While He Was Preaching -

So I Guess We Could Call Them 'One Stepers'
Since It All Happened That One Night -
:thebunny

[Sam]

Guess it goes with the debate, When are sins remitted?

Yeah, let's not go there.

Whether we agree with him on the one-step/three-step view or not, in my opinion, Bro. Drost was a great man of God. He accomplished a lot for the Kingdom. He was instrumental in bringing people to salvation in several countries in South America and in Spain. I'm sure he has a great reward.

[Sister Alvear]

yes, Sam I honor him and all the missionaies that have led the way...

[Jermyn Davidson]

They did believe Acts 2:38.
They preached Acts 2:38.
They practiced Acts 2:38.

They just believed a person was justified/saved/regenerated at repentance and subsequently got baptized in Jesus' Name and received the Holy Ghost Baptism.


I thank God Almighty for His precious truth!

[Felicity]

I never knew Bro. Drost personally. He was always a legend in our area, of course, being from our district.

I've heard many wonderful things about him but it seems that one of the most outstanding was his personal soulwinning ability. He'd talk to anyone anywhere - and he did. And he led many many people to God as a result of his personal witness - whether he was sitting next to someone on a bus, talking to them on a bench in the park, wherever.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I found this.
http://books.google.com/books?id=GmztAtSwxMkC&pg=PA161&lpg=PA161&dq=T.Wynn+Stairs&source=web&ots=dz5w6QlyOK&sig=zfusvjqgoA109QQRpJMDJF4CI_o&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA161,M1

[Scott Hutchinson]

I believe this church was started from The PCI wing in Canada.
ttp://www.cpconline.ca/Pastors/Pastor.htm

[Scott Hutchinson]

Here you go Bro.Sam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icRdfuSeCNU

[Sam]

I found this.
http://books.google.com/books?id=GmztAtSwxMkC&pg=PA161&lpg=PA161&dq=T.Wynn+Stairs&source=web&ots=dz5w6QlyOK&sig=zfusvjqgoA109QQRpJMDJF4CI_o&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA161,M1

What you showed from the infamous Fudge book about Bro. Drost being a strong water and Spirit person early on does not seem to agree with something in his biography, "Bill Drost the Pentecost." On pages 22 and 23 he tells about going to the "Holy Roller" meeting, going to the altar, and leaving completely changed. I guess he was around 11 years old. Over the next few months he read the New Testament through 17 times. Then he went to a service on New Years Eve and went to the altar. He got up to leave because he didn't like the way people were touching him; messing up his hair; putting their hands on his head, his shoulder and back; patting him and tapping him. He felt like they were tearing him to pieces. They pushed him,spit on him, and stood over him and hollered. When he received a promise from a friend that they would leave him alone he went back to the altar.

Here is how he describes what happened:
He went back and knelt in prayer, bringing his thoughts again to the words, "Behold I send the promise of the Father upon you." The words became more meaningful to him, bigger, brighter . . . He began to feel a cloud of love and power come upon him . . . envelope him . . . enter into him. He became suffused with it --one with it. The warmth, the intoxicating joy, the Presence, welled up within him, taking charge of him and freeing him at the same time. Higher and higher it came-- now from deep within his being-- into his belly, his throat, his head, his tongue! And from the tongue flowed a beautiful river of praises he had never voiced before. Words rejoicing, words powerful, words victorious --they bubbled, they flowed, they gushed forth in torrents he could not stop-- and wouldn't want to. But though he did not know the meaning of the words,d he knew the feeling of them: they felt like primeval words, words of creation, God's word! And they were wonderful. But for him they were too precious, too hallowed, to be shouted. If he could not control the flow, he could the volume. He whispered in tongues. Caught away in the Presence, lost in eternity, he whispered the words on and on.
Coming back into time, he was amazed to find it was four a.m.

Laer Bro. Steeves took him down to the river at Newcastle Bridge and baptized him in Jesus' name.

That is from pages 25 to 28 of the book.

[ChicagoPastor]

bump.......
yes Bill Drost taught saved at repentence BUT to say he didn't preach Acts 2:38 wouldn't be accurate, either.....

he believed that salvation starts at repentence

[Scott Hutchinson]

http://books.google.com/books?id=GmztAtSwxMkC&pg=PA86&lpg=PA86&dq=EP.+wickens&source=bl&ots=dz5w9RmySG&sig=3ytOdWcV4ntHutcHagmEifIRpco&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA88,M1

[TrueNorth]

I believe this church was started from The PCI wing in Canada.
ttp://www.cpconline.ca/Pastors/Pastor.htm

This church was built and pastored by the long time Superintendent of the Atlantic District. It has been independent for a number of years, currently having a pastor with an Assemblies background.

[Maple Leaf]

This church was built and pastored by the long time Superintendent of the Atlantic District. It has been independent for a number of years, currently having a pastor with an Assemblies background.

I think that both the Pastor and the Assemblies would be surprised to hear that.

[Scott Hutchinson]

There was a Canadian missionary group,that was started by some PCI men in Canada that seems like it is thriving but I can't remember the name of it,I used to view their site.
Maybe some of you good Canadians can help me remember it.

[TrueNorth]

I think that both the Pastor and the Assemblies would be surprised to hear that.

Many pardons illustrious one. Isn't the pastor an alumnus of Faith School by way of Bethel? I understood his background to be Assemblies.
I stand to be corrected if it is not.