Hoping the UPC Fails?

[Cotton Mather]

I found this quote remarkable. What fellowship of men is this? Are they purposefully inciting division, in the hope that the UPC splits and fails?


Originally posted on GNC by whole hearted:

The TV issue is not dead with many. There are still hundreds of preachers and churches that preach against TV and always will. I am part of a fellowship of men and we all stand against Hollywood. If the UPC gives in and falls there will still be a church.

[Rhoni]

Quote:
Originally posted on GNC by whole hearted:

The TV issue is not dead with many. There are still hundreds of preachers and churches that preach against TV and always will. I am part of a fellowship of men and we all stand against Hollywood. If the UPC gives in and falls there will still be a church.


There has and always will be a church in or outside UPCI...that is an ignorant statement;)!

[Cotton Mather]

whole hearted has responded on GNC. You may be surprised as to his answer.

[Rhoni]

whole hearted has responded on GNC. You may be surprised as to his answer.


Please post it here so I can read it...:ty

[Cotton Mather]

Posted by whole hearted on GNC:

It is a fellowship of like minded men. We are UPC, GIB and ALJC. Just like the AMC says we are like minded men. We are standing for truth and preaching revival while holding on the Godly principles and STANDARDS.

????

[Cotton Mather]

What is AMC and GIB?

[Rhoni]

What is AMC and GIB?


I'm not sure, but sound like he is saying the list he made of brethern from all these different organizations who stand against T.V. and for rigid dress standards are holier than the rest of us:dunno

HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM:praying

[Cotton Mather]

Does this group want the UPC to fail?

Anybody care to answer?

[COOPER]

There has and always will be a church in or outside UPCI...that is an ignorant statement;)!
Yes Rhoni, you are on target.

[Cotton Mather]

I'm not sure, but sound like he is saying the list he made of brethern from all these different organizations who stand against T.V. and for rigid dress standards are holier than the rest of us:dunno

HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM:praying


That certainly seems to be the only basis for fellowship.

How remarkable!:dunno

[Rhoni]

Does this group want the UPC to fail?

Anybody care to answer?

Sounds like that is what he is saying...that the T.V. will be the downfall of UPCI. I think they are wrong. It is only one of the many issues that may or may not contribute to its downfall. I don't really think it is going anywhere...that is my perspective;)!

Blessings, Rhoni

[Cotton Mather]

Sounds like that is what he is saying...that the T.V. will be the downfall of UPCI. I think they are wrong. It is only one of the many issues that may or may not contribute to its downfall. I don't really think it is going anywhere...that is my perspective;)!

Blessings, Rhoni

Good answer! The UPC isn't going anywhere. Just undergoing a face-lift.

Pardon the make-up reference.:highfive

[Rhoni]

Good answer! The UPC isn't going anywhere. Just undergoing a face-lift.

Pardon the make-uo reference.:highfive

I have no problems with it! Sometimes a face-lift is in order;)!:highfive

Blessings, Rhoni

[MrsMcD]

The UPC may change but I don't think it is going to fail. It sounds like some folks want it to fail though.

[Ronzo]

GIB = Good Independant Brother


"Good" being a relative term, in the eye of the labeler.

[Cotton Mather]

The UPC may change but I don't think it is going to fail. It sounds like some folks want it to fail though.


Yes, I'm afraid so.

[Whole Hearted]

I just found this place a few minutes ago and when I got here I found i was already here. WOW

[Rhoni]

I just found this place a few minutes ago and when I got here I found i was already here. WOW


You experiencing psychosis?:killinme

[Cotton Mather]

I just found this place a few minutes ago and when I got here I found i was already here. WOW


So tell us, why would you fellowship here when you would never fellowship with these folks at church?

[Rhoni]

So tell us, why would you fellowship here when you would never fellowship with these folks at church?


:praying

[Garfield]

So tell us, why would you fellowship here when you would never fellowship with these folks at church?

Evangelism?

[Rhoni]

Evangelism?


:killinme :killinme :killinme :killinme :killinme :killinme

Good come-back!

Blessings, Rhoni

[Nahum]

Evangelism?

No, he would need a tv show to do that! :bliss

[Garfield]

:killinme :killinme :killinme :killinme :killinme :killinme

Good come-back!

Blessings, Rhoni

TYVM

[Garfield]

No, he would need a tv show to do that! :bliss

Sorta like the 19th century Apostolics needed a tv for evangelism, huh?

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

I just found this place a few minutes ago and when I got here I found i was already here. WOW


:welcome2

[Whole Hearted]

So tell us, why would you fellowship here when you would never fellowship with these folks at church?

They are not on the platform. I would have lunch with any one here, but not all could come and preach or sing.

[Whole Hearted]

:welcome2

THANK YOU:ty

[Admin]

Welcome Whole Hearted. Glad you could join us.

[Sister Truth Seeker]

That certainly seems to be the only basis for fellowship.

How remarkable!:dunno

I thought God was suppose to be the center....not man's ideas...I don't think the UPC is going anywhere...I think it will change out of need, but not fall apart because of TV or any other issue...so far I find it to be a God centered organization....

[freeatlast]

Will the UPC fail?

Me thinks that ship has sailed.

[MrsMcD]

Will the UPC fail?

Me thinks that ship has sailed.

It keeps sailing. Maybe it will drown soon. :tease

[Sister Truth Seeker]

It keeps sailing. Maybe it will drown soon. :tease
:killinme its here to stay....and I am glad...it may change but it will never die....

[MrsMcD]

:killinme its here to stay....and I am glad...it may change but it will never die....

I think I had better retract my statement. lol

I meant the conversation of the UPC drowning -- NOT UPC.

[Sister Truth Seeker]

I think I had better retract my statement. lol

I meant the conversation of the UPC drowning -- NOT UPC.:killinme

[The Kid]

I have heard for the past 10 years how the UPC describing the demise of other religious organizations and denominiations, how that once they embraced holiness and separation...

If the UPC believes that their attitude of holiness and separation is what is going to sustain them as an organization, they should be aware that there are a few things happening, ministers are leaving, churches are leaving, and many of those hanging on are starting to dry up*.


*Considering the statistics of the average size church in the UPC...what is it, less than 200 people? I am sure the dedicated churches greater than 500 in large metro areas will continue to keep the org afloat, however, these big churches are not innocent in absorbing (creating raisins of) those churches with less than 200.

[Advocate]

Oh what a powerful ministry some have!

As a minister of the gospel who is interested in having an audience, I have discovered that there there is a force which can provide a guarenteed audience if we will just get it into our thinking and speaking.

Do some want the UPC to fail? Oh no! of course "I" don't, but I know others who do! And there is evidence! I have it right in my hot little hands. I have their comments, and I have their true "down to earth" view points often provided through the miracle of being anonymous.

They have long sat in their pharisee-like posture, and predicted that we will die, if we don't recognize them, and their superior stature and better convictions, so well adapted to their little communities and backwater histories. They do not understand the need of reaching people! They want us to fail, because they resent us, and want it proven that the hand of God is not on us.

*wanders across the isle, and prepares to speak*

No, you dont want the UPC to fail, but you have been predicting it for years. You know who has the "strangle hold" on the organization, and who has been threatening it. You make lists and spend hours and hours following the gossip trails, nailing down attitudes that are bad, and blaming others for the lack of church growth, and saying we dont want any. We dont need you. We are going to go off on our own, and you will see how quickly you will fail without us! Maybe next year ... or sooner. I just read where you anticipate it happening maybe this month.

Brethren, you have your audience.. yes, but do you realize you will BOTH be judged at the judgment seat of Christ?

People will gravitate to your expressed resentment for not being recognized as right in your arguments, yes. But do you really want that audience?

Better is a dry morsel, and quietness therewith, than a house full of sacrifices with strife. (Proverbs 17:1)

You will never see revival this way, television or no television, either of you. Take that as a prophetic word.

Choose quietness first, the let the Lord take control of the harvest.

:highfive

[Rhoni]

Oh what a powerful ministry some have!

As a minister of the gospel who is interested in having an audience, I have discovered that there there is a force which can provide a guarenteed audience if we will just get it into our thinking and speaking.

Do some want the UPC to fail? Oh no! of course "I" don't, but I know others who do! And there is evidence! I have it right in my hot little hands. I have their comments, and I have their true "down to earth" view points often provided through the miracle of being anonymous.

They have long sat in their pharisee-like posture, and predicted that we will die, if we don't recognize them, and their superior stature and better convictions, so well adapted to their little communities and backwater histories. They do not understand the need of reaching people! They want us to fail, because they resent us, and want it proven that the hand of God is not on us.

*wanders across the isle, and prepares to speak*

No, you dont want the UPC to fail, but you have been predicting it for years. You know who has the "strangle hold" on the organization, and who has been threatening it. You make lists and spend hours and hours following the gossip trails, nailing down attitudes that are bad, and blaming others for the lack of church growth, and saying we dont want any. We dont need you. We are going to go off on our own, and you will see how quickly you will fail without us! Maybe next year ... or sooner. I just read where you anticipate it happening maybe this month.

Brethren, you have your audience.. yes, but do you realize you will BOTH be judged at the judgment seat of Christ?

People will gravitate to your expressed resentment for not being recognized as right in your arguments, yes. But do you really want that audience?

Better is a dry morsel, and quietness therewith, than a house full of sacrifices with strife. (Proverbs 17:1)

You will never see revival this way, television or no television, either of you. Take that as a prophetic word.

Choose quietness first, the let the Lord take control of the harvest.

:highfive

:praying

[Nahum]

Oh what a powerful ministry some have!

As a minister of the gospel who is interested in having an audience, I have discovered that there there is a force which can provide a guarenteed audience if we will just get it into our thinking and speaking.

Do some want the UPC to fail? Oh no! of course "I" don't, but I know others who do! And there is evidence! I have it right in my hot little hands. I have their comments, and I have their true "down to earth" view points often provided through the miracle of being anonymous.

They have long sat in their pharisee-like posture, and predicted that we will die, if we don't recognize them, and their superior stature and better convictions, so well adapted to their little communities and backwater histories. They do not understand the need of reaching people! They want us to fail, because they resent us, and want it proven that the hand of God is not on us.

*wanders across the isle, and prepares to speak*

No, you dont want the UPC to fail, but you have been predicting it for years. You know who has the "strangle hold" on the organization, and who has been threatening it. You make lists and spend hours and hours following the gossip trails, nailing down attitudes that are bad, and blaming others for the lack of church growth, and saying we dont want any. We dont need you. We are going to go off on our own, and you will see how quickly you will fail without us! Maybe next year ... or sooner. I just read where you anticipate it happening maybe this month.

Brethren, you have your audience.. yes, but do you realize you will BOTH be judged at the judgment seat of Christ?

People will gravitate to your expressed resentment for not being recognized as right in your arguments, yes. But do you really want that audience?

Better is a dry morsel, and quietness therewith, than a house full of sacrifices with strife. (Proverbs 17:1)

You will never see revival this way, television or no television, either of you. Take that as a prophetic word.

Choose quietness first, the let the Lord take control of the harvest.

:highfive

Well said, these guys need to just calm down.

[Whole Hearted]

Welcome Whole Hearted. Glad you could join us.

THANK YOU!!

[Whole Hearted]

I have heard for the past 10 years how the UPC describing the demise of other religious organizations and denominiations, how that once they embraced holiness and separation...

If the UPC believes that their attitude of holiness and separation is what is going to sustain them as an organization, they should be aware that there are a few things happening, ministers are leaving, churches are leaving, and many of those hanging on are starting to dry up*.


*Considering the statistics of the average size church in the UPC...what is it, less than 200 people? I am sure the dedicated churches greater than 500 in large metro areas will continue to keep the org afloat, however, these big churches are not innocent in absorbing (creating raisins of) those churches with less than 200.



There are churches leaving that are conservative and don't like the way things are going.

[Garfield]

There are churches leaving that are conservative and don't like the way things are going.

By churches do you mean the congregation and the pastor or just the congregation?

[Felicity]

The UPC has only ever hs bee and will ever be as good as its reason for existence and then .... the cooperation of the members with that purpose. Get caught up and tangled in the net of issues and it all goes to pot.

Well kind of like that anyhow. *L* ;) :)

[Whole Hearted]

By churches do you mean the congregation and the pastor or just the congregation?

I know of churches that have disaffiliated and cases where the church went out and the pastor.

[revrandy]

There are always sub-cultures within any organization.. it's just humanity's way... even in the New Testament Church.. The Jews were at odds with the Gentiles... were they right????

[Garfield]

Who would even want to see anyone fail? What kind of attitude is that?

[ManOfWord]

Who would even want to see anyone fail? What kind of attitude is that?

I was in the UPC for 20+ yrs and have been out for over 10yrs. I had great times and saw some despicable things when it comes to treatment of the brethren. All in all, I think it has seen better days and that the best are behind it. However, I don't want to see anyone fail. I don't want to see an organization fail. Many of us could tell our horror stories of abuse and the like in the UPC and other orgs for that matter.

It really doesn't do us much good to do that though other than getting it all out, which may need to be done from time to time. But get it out, get healed and then move on. I really hope the UPC does have a turn around and come back. It's failure won't be due to my tearing it down and it's victory won't be due to my involvement. May God have His way!! :D

[SarahElizabeth]

Sounds like that is what he is saying...that the T.V. will be the downfall of UPCI. I think they are wrong. It is only one of the many issues that may or may not contribute to its downfall. I don't really think it is going anywhere...that is my perspective;)!

Blessings, Rhoni

Practically everyone I know who is UPC has a TV. I did not even KNOW that it was expected for anyone in UPC NOT to have a TV until I came to the message boards a few years ago....LOL