Why don't People believe they will prophecy ?

[Joelel]

Why don't people believe what God said they will do when filled with the Holy Ghost ?

God said they will prophecy and have dreams and visions when filled with the Holy Ghost.He didn't say they will speak in tongues.

Acts.2:16: But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel.17: And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams

[Joelel]

There are two kind of gifts of tongues as Paul wrote about being gifts,)1Cor.13[1] Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.(They spoke in tongues of men on the day of Pentecost when filled with the Holy Ghost)

On the day of Pentecost they were prophesying in tongues and it was being interpreted in 17 different tongues from the mouths of the speakers to the ears of the hearers

(Ways tongues is interpreted,)1 Cor.14: 6. Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

(On the day of Pentecost it was interpreted because all the hearers understood in their own language.So there was the gift of tongues and the interpretation of tongues and prophecy.Three gifts on the day of Pentecost.)Acts2:[8] And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

[Joelel]

Please note what happened here.Acts4:4.First the disciples were preaching and got 5,000 new believers but they were not filled with the Holy Ghost yet.Then later they went back to their own company of 5,000 new believers and prayed for them and they were filled with the Holy Ghost and spoke the word of God with boldness (Prophecy).They didn't speak with tongues when they were filled this first time, verse 23-31

23: And being let go, they went to their own company,(5000 new believers) and reported all that the chief priests and elders had said unto them.29: And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they (NOTE they NOT US) may speak thy word

30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.:31: And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they(5000 new believers) were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.(prophecy)

[Joelel]

(Here they spoke in tongues and prophesied.)Acts 19:5: When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.6: And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

1Cor14:[5] I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying

[Joelel]

We know that all who are filled with the Holy Ghost don't speak with tongues because Paul ask these questions.1 Cor.12:27: Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.28:And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues

29:Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?30: Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?31:But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.(The answer to all of these questions is NO)

[Joelel]

This is what's going on in the church today when people are filled with the Holy Ghost.,1 Cor.14:23: If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad (crazy)?

This is what should be taking place in the church when filled with the Holy Ghost,1 Cor.14:24: But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:25: And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth

Acts.2:16: But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel.17: And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.

[Joelel]

On the day of pentecost when they were filled with the Holy Ghost they spoke in tongues it was understood. Today when people are filled and speaks in tongues 99% of the time it is not understood.

[Joelel]

Different signs follow in each persons life when filled with the Holy Ghost,to believe means you are born again.Mark16:17: And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;18: They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover

[Pastor Keith]

Sorry, we fully believe and embrace the truth that all who are filled with the spirit can and should prophesy.

[Joelel]

Sorry, we fully believe and embrace the truth that all who are filled with the spirit can and should prophesy.

The point I'm making is that most believe when a person is filled with the Holy Ghost they will speak with tongues.The scripture don't teach that.God said they will prophecy and have dreams and visions.Jesus said these signs shall fellow them,he didn't say just tongues.Different signs follow in different peoples lives when or after they are filled.

[Tech]

The signs of a believer does not mention prophecy.

Mark 16:
17] And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
[18] They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover


Here they were filled with the Holy ghost and spoke in tongues,no prophecy here either.


Acts 10:

44] While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
[45] And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[46] For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Here they recieved the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues, then prophesied.

Acts 19:
[6] And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

These other verses from Romans,Corinthians ect, were written to already established churches.These people were already filled with the Holy Ghost and had spoke in tongues.These were written as instuction and were to be used to further their walk with God.I have no problem with prophecy,but do not believe it is a sign of recieving the Holy Ghost.

[mfblume]

Does everyone know the difference between prophecy and prophesy?

[Tech]

Does everyone know the difference between prophecy and prophesy?


Sure brother, even though i did use them out of context in my post.Thanks for the correction.I was in to big of a hurry.

[Joelel]

The signs of a believer does not mention prophecy.

Mark 16:
17] And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
[18] They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover


Here they were filled with the Holy ghost and spoke in tongues,no prophecy here either.


Acts 10:

44] While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
[45] And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[46] For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Here they recieved the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues, then prophesied.

Acts 19:
[6] And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

These other verses from Romans,Corinthians ect, were written to already established churches.These people were already filled with the Holy Ghost and had spoke in tongues.These were written as instuction and were to be used to further their walk with God.I have no problem with prophecy,but do not believe it is a sign of recieving the Holy Ghost.

(On the day of Pentecost it was interpreted because all the hearers understood in their own language.So there was the gift of tongues and the interpretation of tongues and prophecy.Three gifts on the day of Pentecost.)Acts2:[8] And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?On the day of Pentecost they were prophesying in tongues and it was being interpreted in 17 different tongues from the mouths of the speakers to the ears of the hearers.THEN PETER SAID IN REFERENCE TO WHAT JUST TOOK PLACE.Acts.2:16: But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel.17: And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams

In Mark Jesus didn't have to mention prophecy,there are mamy signs.

[Joelel]

Does everyone know the difference between prophecy and prophesy?

One is to foretell and the other is to preach and teach

one means office of and one mean fortell and office and one could mean both foretell and preach and teach

[Joelel]

Hear Paul was talking about prophecy,to foretell.1Cor.12
[1] Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
[2] Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
[3] Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
[4] Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
[5] And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
[6] And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
[7] But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
[8] For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
[9] To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
[10] To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
[11] But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
[12] For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
[13] For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
[14] For the body is not one member, but many.
[15] If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
[16] And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
[17] If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
[18] But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
[19] And if they were all one member, where were the body?
[20] But now are they many members, yet but one body.
[21] And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
[22] Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
[23] And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
[24] For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked:
[25] That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
[26] And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
[27] Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
[28] And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
[29] Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
[30] Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
[31] But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

[Joelel]

Here Paul was talking about preach and teach,to prophesy.1Cor.14
[1] Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
[2] For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
[3] But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
[4] He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
[5] I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
[6] Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
[7] And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
[8] For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
[9] So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
[10] There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
[11] Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
[12] Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
[13] Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
[14] For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
[15] What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
[16] Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
[17] For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
[18] I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
[19] Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
[20] Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
[21] In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
[22] Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
[23] If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
[24] But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
[25] And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
[26] How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, everyone of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
[27] If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
[28] But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
[29] Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
[30] If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
[31] For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
[32] And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
[33] For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
[34] Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
[35] And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
[36] What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
[37] If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
[38] But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
[39] Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
[40] Let all things be done decently and in order

[Joelel]

Sure brother, even though i did use them out of context in my post.Thanks for the correction.I was in to big of a hurry.

It has alot to do with how it's used in as sentence,Prophecy and prophesy is pronunced to different ways.Both could mean the same,but one could mean office of.One could mean preach and teach and the other foretell.On the day of pentecost I believe they were preaching in in tongues.

[mfblume]

One is to foretell and the other is to preach and teach

one means office of and one mean fortell and office and one could mean both foretell and preach and teach

That is not actually correct. PROPHECY is the NOUN and refers to the act of foretelling future events or simply an anointed and inspired message. PROPHESY is a VERB, and is the GIVING FORTH of the PROPHECY.

You pronounce prophecy as follows: Pro'- fe - see

Prophesy is pronounced as follows: Pro'-fe-sigh

[mfblume]

It has alot to do with how it's used in as sentence,Prophecy and prophesy is pronunced to different ways.Both could mean the same,but one could mean office of.One could mean preach and teach and the other foretell.On the day of pentecost I believe they were preaching in in tongues.


That is incorrect, brother. One is a noun and one is a verb.

People think "prophecy" is always foretelling the future, but that is actually "PREDICTIVE prophecy". "Prophecy" in general is simply anything spoken as inspired from God. "Prophesy" is the actual speaking of anything inspired of God. The verb is only foretelling when it is "predictive prophesying."

[Joelel]

Most will agree what Isa.wrore was talking about the pouring out of the Holy Ghost.Isa.28:11: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.12: To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

Then Paul writting about the gift of tongues referred to Isa.1 Cor. 14:21:In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.22: Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Paul said here very clearly, with the lips of believers who speak other tongues God will speak to unbelievers and it is a sign to the unbeliever and after all of that they still will not hear God, says the Lord. This is what took place on the Day of Pentecost. Therefore the tongues they spoke in on the day of Pentecost was the gift of tongues

[Joelel]

On the day of Pentecost tongues was understood.What did Paul say about tongues that were not understood?Paul wrote in Cor. 14: 1: Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

2: For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.3: But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort

3: But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.4: He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.5: I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying

18: I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:19: Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.20: Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men

[Joelel]

Here in Cor. When Paul was talking about the gift of tongues it is very clear he was talking about two kind of tongues because he said, 13:1. Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal

(Tongues of angels is when you pray.)1Cor.14[1] Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.[2] For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries'

(Even when a person prays in tongues and others are around he should pray to interpret.)1 Cor14:[13] Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.[14] For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.[15] What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also

(When praying)[16] Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?[17] For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified

(If any man speaks in a tongue he is only to speak in two or three sentence and if no one understands to inter pert he should keep it down to a whisper and talk to God) 1 Cor.14:[27] If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.[28] But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

So we find that the Holy Ghost is going to speak out loud though people in the church assemblies and no one will understand.Then that person if no interpretation is given is to keep the tongue talking down to a whisper and speak to God.

We speak in tongues of angels and men and groanings and stammering lips.Isa.28:11: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.12: To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear

We don't make intercession in the Spirit. The Spirit makes intercession for us.Rom.8[26] Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered