Dr. Gerald Jeffers

[Sister Alvear]

WOW...we heard him minister tonight...Has anyone heard him minister?

[Hoovie]

WOW...we heard him minister tonight...Has anyone heard him minister?

A little but not in person. I have heard some good things about him from others.

[Sister Alvear]

We are speakers with him at a church in Az...

[freeatlast]

Has he ever spoken at BOTT ? Is he Apostolic?

I think he has ministered at my daughters church during their prayer conference.

[Sister Alvear]

yes, he has...

[shag]

I have heard him B4. I traveled to another state just to here him 2 yr.'s ago, and I'd do it again. He taught on having the mind of God....not just flirting with God thru "lip service praise", but searching for deeper intimacy with Him..... truly KNOWING him. One of his teachings I remember was titled "friend or foe", in comparison where Judas was betraying and yet called Jesus friend, as compared to Peter when Jesus called him satan, when Peter tried to block the mind and will of God leading to the cross. He has quite the backgound story of an extreme trial as a child, he had to overcome. I really like to hear him. IMO, If anyone is prayed up, he is.

[Sister Alvear]

He spoke some things to us last night...I KNOW he didn't know...I was very impressed with the sermon and the personal word...

[Esther]

WOW...we heard him minister tonight...Has anyone heard him minister?

Yes, and I thought he did quite well.

[Sister Alvear]

I do not know him...met him the first time yesterday but for a long time I have been praying for God to speak to us...I KNOW he knows nothing about us and he sure ministered to us. Not only to us but to our son in law and daughter...It is unbelievable he told him word for word something our son in law had talked to us about...

[ChTatum]

Glad to hear this report. Had heard some other reports, or at least some insinuations, elsewhere.

[Sister Alvear]

Well, I don't know anything but he is an awesome preacher...He mentioned people had tried to kill him...

[rgcraig]

Has anyone heard any more about this preacher? I've heard the UPC has asked ministers not to have him speak at their churches. Seems he having intimate relations under the sheets with God.

[houston]

huh? O.o

[Arphaxad]

Has anyone heard any more about this preacher? I've heard the UPC has asked ministers not to have him speak at their churches. Seems he having intimate relations under the sheets with God.

He preached Thur and Fri at a UPC church in Tulare CA.- Abundant Life Center, for a men's conference. I wasn't able to go.

:doggyrun

[houston]

Really? Ask around... we want details!

[johnny44]

Has anyone heard any more about this preacher? I've heard the UPC has asked ministers not to have him speak at their churches. Seems he having intimate relations under the sheets with God.He preached on 11/06/11 or 11/13/11 at Anthony Magnum's church.

[CC1]

Has anyone heard any more about this preacher? I've heard the UPC has asked ministers not to have him speak at their churches. Seems he having intimate relations under the sheets with God.

Huh?

[Jay]

I know that my youngest brother has been trying to get me to youtube some of his mesages, but I have not done so yet. What little I have heard reminds me of Bro. Stoneking.

[Scott Hutchinson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRREE41_9xQ&feature=related

[rgcraig]

Huh?

It appears he is preaching some off the wall stuff.

He has stated that he is "above the scriptures" now that's scary.

[mizpeh]

It appears he is preaching some off the wall stuff.

He has stated that he is "above the scriptures" now that's scary.Where and when did he preach that he is above the scriptures?

[rgcraig]

It wasn't from the pulpit, but to a UPCI board of ministers.

[3rdXcharm]

Recently in OH, from the pulpit, he stated that when he got back to his hotel room the previous night he saw the sheets raise on his bed, he then had 20 minutes of intimate relations with God and after those relations God gave him the sermon for the Sunday service. Which included telling the women that God was trying to penetrate some of them and they were telling Him to wear a condom. ?!?!? From the pulpit, seriously?

I know personally, that he has torn a family apart because of his influence/beliefs that he has convinced the children to believe.

[Sister Alvear]

goodness...

[CC1]

I know that my youngest brother has been trying to get me to youtube some of his mesages, but I have not done so yet. What little I have heard reminds me of Bro. Stoneking.

That is all I need to know!!!!

[Sherri]

Recently in OH, from the pulpit, he stated that when he got back to his hotel room the previous night he saw the sheets raise on his bed, he then had 20 minutes of intimate relations with God and after those relations God gave him the sermon for the Sunday service. Which included telling the women that God was trying to penetrate some of them and they were telling Him to wear a condom. ?!?!? From the pulpit, seriously?

I know personally, that he has torn a family apart because of his influence/beliefs that he has convinced the children to believe.
Good grief. And everyone bashed Suzanne Hinn for talking about a Holy Ghost enema. Lol! I think this would fall into the same goofy category.

[houston]

only goofy?

[shag]

Recently in OH, from the pulpit, he stated that when he got back to his hotel room the previous night he saw the sheets raise on his bed, he then had 20 minutes of intimate relations with God and after those relations God gave him the sermon for the Sunday service. Which included telling the women that God was trying to penetrate some of them and they were telling Him to wear a condom. ?!?!? From the pulpit, seriously?

I know personally, that he has torn a family apart because of his influence/beliefs that he has convinced the children to believe.



Guess I'd have to hear it being said myself, before I chose to believe this happened.

Proof?

[Hoovie]

Mercy!

[Thinker]

Recently in OH, from the pulpit, he stated that when he got back to his hotel room the previous night he saw the sheets raise on his bed, he then had 20 minutes of intimate relations with God and after those relations God gave him the sermon for the Sunday service. Which included telling the women that God was trying to penetrate some of them and they were telling Him to wear a condom. ?!?!? From the pulpit, seriously?

I know personally, that he has torn a family apart because of his influence/beliefs that he has convinced the children to believe.



Is he married???



.

[rgcraig]

Is he married???



.

I believe he is single.

[3rdXcharm]

Guess I'd have to hear it being said myself, before I chose to believe this happened.

Proof?

There is nothing online for this sermon but it was at the church that Paul Cook previously pastored.

[freeatlast]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRZXHOf1ssk&feature=related


A little wierdness here.... you be the judge.

[rgcraig]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRZXHOf1ssk&feature=related


A little wierdness here.... you be the judge.

Yep - - seems to be quite a bit of weirdness.

[shag]

I guess maybe I'm missing something here. Weird to me is what I commonly see, a preacher screamin his head Off.



Someone explain the weirdness I missed

[Sweet Pea]

Well - I am not going to judge the the man or the message on the you-tube clip without hearing the whole message. I think it is unfair to do so. It kind of left us hanging - you can't get the whole context of the message on just 9.45 minutes.

JMHO

[Dedicated Mind]

Well - I am not going to judge the the man or the message on the you-tube clip without hearing the whole message. I think it is unfair to do so. It kind of left us hanging - you can't get the whole context of the message on just 9.45 minutes.

JMHO

the whole sermon is on youtube, listening now.

[Sweet Pea]

the whole sermon is on youtube, listening now.

Thanks! I'll check it out. Don't have time now.

[Jay]

I am now going to have to find out more, but I have heard people say things about Bro. Stoneking and others on Youtube, but when you heard the whole message, what was said was not what it had been made to appear. You can edit anything to create a bad impression. That is why one must be willing to do their own research and find out if what they have heard is true.

[CC1]

I am now going to have to find out more, but I have heard people say things about Bro. Stoneking and others on Youtube, but when you heard the whole message, what was said was not what it had been made to appear. You can edit anything to create a bad impression. That is why one must be willing to do their own research and find out if what they have heard is true.

As far as LS goes I have heard him in person, online video or audio, and without any editing he "creates a very bad impression" with me. I am amazed that in the 21st century preachers get by in Pentecost with their wild extra biblical imaginations. In his case I am referring to doppleganger angels, magic hair, and other assertions put forth.

Old time Pentecost has always had fringe elements with wacky takes on things but the last decade or so we are seeing these people elevated and embraced by the mainstream of Oneness Pentecost. In particular I am thinking about LS and the former Mrs. Reider.

[3rdXcharm]

Whether you find the things and the way he says them weird or not, it is much more disturbing that he is counseling people to break ties with their families, leave their husbands, etc. These are not dysfunctional families until he becomes involved.

[CC1]

Whether you find the things and the way he says them weird or not, it is much more disturbing that he is counseling people to break ties with their families, leave their husbands, etc. These are not dysfunctional families until he becomes involved.

I am always amazed that anybody would let anybody, including a preacher, come between them and family.

No matter how much we disagree with family concerning religion, politics, life decisions, etc that family bond should not be broken and love should prevail.

Sounds to me like weak minded people looking for someone to control them.

[Sister Alvear]

sad...I only heard him preach once and in that sermon he said nothing like these things here...wonder if he always has said these weird things?

[Nitehawk013]

Sis. Alvear...one thing we all should know by now from being a part of this forum is that unless you hear it yourself, don't take it as gospel. I don't know this Jeffers guy, but I know that it doesn't take much to get an account here and say whateever you wish to say about whatever preacher you wish to say it about.

[rgcraig]

Sis. Alvear...one thing we all should know by now from being a part of this forum is that unless you hear it yourself, don't take it as gospel. I don't know this Jeffers guy, but I know that it doesn't take much to get an account here and say whateever you wish to say about whatever preacher you wish to say it about.

I wish that were the case.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I certainly hope this Brother is not into these sort of freaky teachings.

[Jay]

As far as LS goes I have heard him in person, online video or audio, and without any editing he "creates a very bad impression" with me. I am amazed that in the 21st century preachers get by in Pentecost with their wild extra biblical imaginations. In his case I am referring to doppleganger angels, magic hair, and other assertions put forth.

Old time Pentecost has always had fringe elements with wacky takes on things but the last decade or so we are seeing these people elevated and embraced by the mainstream of Oneness Pentecost. In particular I am thinking about LS and the former Mrs. Reider.




I know that you disagree with him on those issues, but I have seen some interesting things that make me wonder if he is on to something. Besides, is it really that far out there considering that we speak in languages that we never learned, receive interpretations in our own language, have very pointed and accurate prophecies given by people who know nothing about us, receive information that we could not possibly know, etc. Suddenly it begins to look like we are all a bit out of the mainstream now does it not? :D

[CC1]

I know that you disagree with him on those issues, but I have seen some interesting things that make me wonder if he is on to something. Besides, is it really that far out there considering that we speak in languages that we never learned, receive interpretations in our own language, have very pointed and accurate prophecies given by people who know nothing about us, receive information that we could not possibly know, etc. Suddenly it begins to look like we are all a bit out of the mainstream now does it not? :D

The examples you give are all supported by the Bible. Magic hair and doppleganger angels are not. Neither are wild stories from the minds of men and women like claiming one of the reasons jewelry is bad is that it was cast down with Lucifer from heaven.:icecream

[Jay]

I am not going to debate angelology tonight, but I would concede that it is more than slightly possible from what I have heard.

As far as the hair is concerned, the way that I understood it was used was as a sign of concecration when used in prayer. However, that was more from Bro. Stoneking. I have never read Sis. Reider's books on the topic.

I have never heard the fall of Satan used as a major tenant for the not wearing of jewelry, but would be willing to listen to a case be made for that position. I consider Paul, Peter, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel to be quite suffiecient for God frowning on jewelry. Especially as I have learned how it was used for more than simple ornamentaion.




And as can easily be seen by this exchange, he definately has the two of us confused. ;)

[freeatlast]

I am not going to debate angelology tonight, but I would concede that it is more than slightly possible from what I have heard.

As far as the hair is concerned, the way that I understood it was used was as a sign of concecration when used in prayer. However, that was more from Bro. Stoneking. I have never read Sis. Reider's books on the topic.

I have never heard the fall of Satan used as a major tenant for the not wearing of jewelry, but would be willing to listen to a case be made for that position. I consider Paul, Peter, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel to be quite suffiecient for God frowning on jewelry. Especially as I have learned how it was used for more than simple ornamentaion.




And as can easily be seen by this exchange, he definately has the two of us confused. ;)


I see a patern here that seems to run rampant in ultra con pentecost....I'm just sayi..

[Sherri]

I am not going to debate angelology tonight, but I would concede that it is more than slightly possible from what I have heard.

As far as the hair is concerned, the way that I understood it was used was as a sign of concecration when used in prayer. However, that was more from Bro. Stoneking. I have never read Sis. Reider's books on the topic.

I have never heard the fall of Satan used as a major tenant for the not wearing of jewelry, but would be willing to listen to a case be made for that position. I consider Paul, Peter, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel to be quite suffiecient for God frowning on jewelry. Especially as I have learned how it was used for more than simple ornamentaion.



And as can easily be seen by this exchange, he definately has the two of us confused. ;)
Sorry, but there's more in the O.T. to support jewelry wearing than to condemn it.

[freeatlast]

Sorry, but there's more in the O.T. to support jewelry wearing than to condemn it.

They skip over that part...:highfive

[Jay]

Sorry, but there's more in the O.T. to support jewelry wearing than to condemn it.




Could show me where, after God is dealing with the children of Israel, jewelry is actually accepted and encouraged?

[rgcraig]

Could show me where, after God is dealing with the children of Israel, jewelry is actually accepted and encouraged?

Bro. Jay, do you know Bro. Jeffers?

[Jay]

Nope, I have never met the man nor heard him preach a message. I am going to have to, but I am not going to do anything like that probably until after Thanksgiving. I have a lot of hours left to work, and then I am going out of town. However, I wait to judge anything until I have heard it for myself, or have it from someone I highly trust.

[AreYouReady?]

Neither are wild stories from the minds of men and women like claiming one of the reasons jewelry is bad is that it was cast down with Lucifer from heaven.:icecream

Ha! I never heard that one before..new one to me. LOL

[Sister Alvear]

it was pride that caused Lucifer to be cast out of heaven...

[Nitehawk013]

Yes indeed Sis. Alvear. I think the point Jay may be making is that Jewelry is associated to pride and vanity.

Honestly, I don't see much point in wearing jewelry besides my wedding ring, but neither do I see it as a sinful thing UNLESS the person doing so truly has a pride problem and thinks they are somethign special because they can wear gawdy jewelry.

[rgcraig]

Nope, I have never met the man nor heard him preach a message. I am going to have to, but I am not going to do anything like that probably until after Thanksgiving. I have a lot of hours left to work, and then I am going out of town. However, I wait to judge anything until I have heard it for myself, or have it from someone I highly trust.

I'm like that too. What I'm hearing is coming from a very prominent minister - it's actually affecting his family.

[Sherri]

Could show me where, after God is dealing with the children of Israel, jewelry is actually accepted and encouraged?Why did God use giving jewelry to prospective brides as a sign of blessing? Why did He (NT) say to put a ring on the prodigal son's finger?

[Nitehawk013]

You know the mentality though Sherri. If you give an inch...some peopel can't stop and have to have the whole mile. That is why some men refuse to even give the inch, even when scripture doesn't prohibit something.

We all know at least one woman who takes the jewelry thing to insane excesses. I have no real problem with jewelry, but I have issue with outright vanity and excess in buying all the jewelry a person can possibly handle. Some men just feel they are avoiding the problem completely by creating a prohibiton on jewelry that doesn't exist in scripture.

Some go as far as to even ban the rubber bracelets. Never mind that the very definition of jewelry demands that it be some sort of jewels or costly material so rubber bracelets don't fit the definition at all.

[iceniez]

WOW...we heard him minister tonight...Has anyone heard him minister?

every time I have heard him I have been amazed and inspired.

[Sister Alvear]

Just heard him one time and the sermon I heard had nothing out of the way in it...I do not know him so cannot say much...hope he is ok..

[Cindy]

Context is important.

[Michael Phelps]

Could show me where, after God is dealing with the children of Israel, jewelry is actually accepted and encouraged?

The Father put the ring back on the finger of the prodigal son to help signify that he was home and back in the fold.

[Michael Phelps]

You know the mentality though Sherri. If you give an inch...some peopel can't stop and have to have the whole mile. That is why some men refuse to even give the inch, even when scripture doesn't prohibit something.

We all know at least one woman who takes the jewelry thing to insane excesses. I have no real problem with jewelry, but I have issue with outright vanity and excess in buying all the jewelry a person can possibly handle. Some men just feel they are avoiding the problem completely by creating a prohibiton on jewelry that doesn't exist in scripture.

Some go as far as to even ban the rubber bracelets. Never mind that the very definition of jewelry demands that it be some sort of jewels or costly material so rubber bracelets don't fit the definition at all.

So, punish the group for the sins of a few? Doesn't make sense to me. Some people have a problem overeating and regularly make a foray into gluttony, but do we forbid the entire congregation to eat? Some people miss church for work regularly, but do we forbid the congregation to work?

This is the issue we've had, we don't deal with the problem with individuals, we make blanket rules.

Just my opinion.

[Dagwood]

His name rang a bell. So, I searched online for him. He came and preached for us about 2 years ago. What disgusted me more than anything was, within the first few minutes of him stepping up on the platform, even after a powerful worship atmosphere with the musicians, he had the audacity to tell the congregants, "Oh come on, if you can go to a football game and get loud and get crazy, you need to do the same for Jesus Christ," or something to that affect.

I wanted to stand up and ask him: "Dude, did you just not realize what happened BEFORE you stepped on the platform, or were you too busy with other things on your mind?"

I wasn't impressed after that...

[Jay]

Sherri, I ask that you reread my post about Lucifer and his fall. I was making a remark about another poster's statement. That idea was not mine, but I can see how that you might have gotten confused. I was merely mentioning that I would like to hear how a person would use him to preach against jewelry, not saying that I embraced that myself, especially as I feel that there are many other places to draw from.


That being said, I am still against jewelry. By the way, that ring on the prodigal's hand was not a mere decoration, but was a signant ring showing that he could do business in his father's name. It goes to show that a backslider may pray back through and be restored to the power of God.

[Michael Phelps]

Sherri, I ask that you reread my post about Lucifer and his fall. I was making a remark about another poster's statement. That idea was not mine, but I can see how that you might have gotten confused. I was merely mentioning that I would like to hear how a person would use him to preach against jewelry, not saying that I embraced that myself, especially as I feel that there are many other places to draw from.


That being said, I am still against jewelry. By the way, that ring on the prodigal's hand was not a mere decoration, but was a signant ring showing that he could do business in his father's name. It goes to show that a backslider may pray back through and be restored to the power of God.

What does a wedding ring signify?

[Sherri]

Sherri, I ask that you reread my post about Lucifer and his fall. I was making a remark about another poster's statement. That idea was not mine, but I can see how that you might have gotten confused. I was merely mentioning that I would like to hear how a person would use him to preach against jewelry, not saying that I embraced that myself, especially as I feel that there are many other places to draw from.


That being said, I am still against jewelry. By the way, that ring on the prodigal's hand was not a mere decoration, but was a signant ring showing that he could do business in his father's name. It goes to show that a backslider may pray back through and be restored to the power of God.

I agree, but it's still jewelry. I could say that my diamond dinner ring is a sign to show that I've been married thirty years. My weddding ring is a sign that I'm married. My Africa necklace pendant is a sign that I love missions. It goes on and on.........the logic breaks down somewhere.

Sorry, I'm not meaning to argue. This kind of stuff just makes me crazy. Just say it's traditions, and I'm fine with that. I have my own.

[Hoovie]

Sherri, I ask that you reread my post about Lucifer and his fall. I was making a remark about another poster's statement. That idea was not mine, but I can see how that you might have gotten confused. I was merely mentioning that I would like to hear how a person would use him to preach against jewelry, not saying that I embraced that myself, especially as I feel that there are many other places to draw from.


That being said, I am still against jewelry. By the way, that ring on the prodigal's hand was not a mere decoration, but was a signant ring showing that he could do business in his father's name. It goes to show that a backslider may pray back through and be restored to the power of God.

AND wear a ring if it signifies something...

[Scott Hutchinson]

I wear a simple wedding band myself.I have on occasion worn cuff links and a tie tac.

[shag]

I wear a simple wedding band myself.I have on occasion worn cuff links and a tie tac.

You're walkin in the flesh son. That is nothing but outward unholiness. :smack

[shag]

....And outward holiness often described as a "HIGH or low standards"?

(High, ya know like the tower of babel got pretty high.)

I mean, why exactly refer to it as HIGH?

Clergy laity type of mindset me thinks ...

[Dagwood]

His name rang a bell. So, I searched online for him. He came and preached for us about 2 years ago. What disgusted me more than anything was, within the first few minutes of him stepping up on the platform, even after a powerful worship atmosphere with the musicians, he had the audacity to tell the congregants, "Oh come on, if you can go to a football game and get loud and get crazy, you need to do the same for Jesus Christ," or something to that affect.

I wanted to stand up and ask him: "Dude, did you just not realize what happened BEFORE you stepped on the platform, or were you too busy with other things on your mind?"

I wasn't impressed after that...

Found this thread regarding Jeffers. Some of the posts seem to reveal the same sentiments I have...

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=9555

[Sister Alvear]

well...after some enlightment...I am very sad....why is it that so many that could do awesome things fall into such deep pits...? May the Lord help us all!

[Jay]

well...after some enlightment...I am very sad....why is it that so many that could do awesome things fall into such deep pits...? May the Lord help us all!



I do not understand, Sis. Alvear. What did you mean?

[Sister Alvear]

I mean it seems many people with great abilities seem to have hangups....it seems after some research he may not be the person I had thought him to be...well...time will tell...he sure did good the night I heard him...

[preacher]

I was wondering how long it would take people to begin to wake up. The 1st time I heard him around 2005 I knew he was off.
Now he is starting to be persona non grata in a few districts that were formally fans.

[Sister Alvear]

I had never met him and heard him preach...his sermon was really good...sad that things like this happen...

[ApostolicRob]

WOW I cant believe this that you guys can all sit here a bash a man on God that you most all have said you do not know nor heard the things being said you are accusing him of. (1Ch 16:22 [Saying], Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.) I know Dr Jeffers personally as a member of MorningStar Apostolic Church In'tl he is a great friend to our church and has never once preached or counselled anyone in a manner that was not of God in 20 years at our church. I think it is really showing what the saints of God have turned into when we sit here and bash someone over what they have HEARD. What ever happened to two or three witnesses? You don't think the devil will use someone to put a bug in your ear if it will make you reject Gods word because of the man he used.

[Michael Phelps]

WOW I cant believe this that you guys can all sit here a bash a man on God that you most all have said you do not know nor heard the things being said you are accusing him of. (1Ch 16:22 [Saying], Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.) I know Dr Jeffers personally as a member of MorningStar Apostolic Church In'tl he is a great friend to our church and has never once preached or counselled anyone in a manner that was not of God in 20 years at our church. I think it is really showing what the saints of God have turned into when we sit here and bash someone over what they have HEARD. What ever happened to two or three witnesses? You don't think the devil will use someone to put a bug in your ear if it will make you reject Gods word because of the man he used.

Thanks to YouTube, most of us have heard him tho. That's the kicker.

[Sister Alvear]

it was at Morning Star where I heard him preach...He did awesome there and nothing out of place was said there.

[The Lemon]

Nobody is immune to failing and falling. Only by the help and grace of God and through His mercy can we stand. We are remined that "He that thinketh he stand, take heed, lest he fall". We do not stand on our own, we are not righteous on our own, and certainly are not saved on our own.

One of the largest misunderstandings amoung Apostolics is the difference between Holiness and modest apparel. While the two certainly linked, there is a difference. There really is no such thing as "Holiness Standards", there is, however, such a thing as modest apparel. The standard for Holiness is Christ and belonging to Him. Modest apparel and chaste conversation (that is both speech and living example), are also important and bilbical.

It amazes me the level of illiteracy on these two important topics. And while I certainly believe in both, there must be an honest answer given about some modest apparel standards taught and practiced at many churches. Much of what is taught is tradition. the principle of modesty is biblical, the application, in many cases (not all), is tradition.

[rgcraig]

WOW I cant believe this that you guys can all sit here a bash a man on God that you most all have said you do not know nor heard the things being said you are accusing him of. (1Ch 16:22 [Saying], Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.) I know Dr Jeffers personally as a member of MorningStar Apostolic Church In'tl he is a great friend to our church and has never once preached or counselled anyone in a manner that was not of God in 20 years at our church. I think it is really showing what the saints of God have turned into when we sit here and bash someone over what they have HEARD. What ever happened to two or three witnesses? You don't think the devil will use someone to put a bug in your ear if it will make you reject Gods word because of the man he used.

I have contact info for the two or three if you'd like it.

[ApostolicRob]

I have contact info for the two or three if you'd like it.

I would love to see where you make this claim that he did something wrong. and what did HE do that was wrong?

[rgcraig]

I would love to see where you make this claim that he did something wrong. and what did HE do that was wrong?

Are you affliated with UPCI?

[ApostolicRob]

I have contact info for the two or three if you'd like it.

It also looks from your post that it seems that you are doing a lot of bashing about a man that you have never meet or witnessed anything from? If you are claiming that you are receiving information from a preacher as you say. What kind of man of God is that who is spreading gossip about others. If someone is making a claim that they received something in council (which you never heard) and is telling everyone then how do you know their not blaming what happen in their family on someone else. Just a word of advice I would watch what I say about God's chosen when you never personally heard that person(Dr Jeffers) say what you are claiming. You don't want to be one of those people who talk bad about the prophets cause history through out the bible tells us it never worked out for anyone who has. My advice is if you don't know first hand don't say it or lead others to believe cause you are just being a stumbling block for your brothers.

[RandyWayne]

It also looks from your post that it seems that you are doing a lot of bashing about a man that you have never meet or witnessed anything from? If you are claiming that you are receiving information from a preacher as you say. What kind of man of God is that who is spreading gossip about others. If someone is making a claim that they received something in council (which you never heard) and is telling everyone then how do you know their not blaming what happen in their family on someone else. Just a word of advice I would watch what I say about God's chosen when you never personally heard that person(Dr Jeffers) say what you are claiming. You don't want to be one of those people who talk bad about the prophets cause history through out the bible tells us it never worked out for anyone who has. My advice is if you don't know first hand don't say it or lead others to believe cause you are just being a stumbling block for your brothers.

You were the one to say something about "two or three witnesses" then Renda offered you some names and now your saying that those witnesses don't count because they're essentially biases (and not allowed to speak against the ministry anyways, thus by that logic the ministry will NEVER have any witnesses to wrong doing).

I don't have a bone in this fight and don't even know who Gerald Jeffers is but just noting the inconsistency.

[houston]

watch out, renda. a bear is gna eat you!

[rgcraig]

It also looks from your post that it seems that you are doing a lot of bashing about a man that you have never meet or witnessed anything from? If you are claiming that you are receiving information from a preacher as you say. What kind of man of God is that who is spreading gossip about others. If someone is making a claim that they received something in council (which you never heard) and is telling everyone then how do you know their not blaming what happen in their family on someone else. Just a word of advice I would watch what I say about God's chosen when you never personally heard that person(Dr Jeffers) say what you are claiming. You don't want to be one of those people who talk bad about the prophets cause history through out the bible tells us it never worked out for anyone who has. My advice is if you don't know first hand don't say it or lead others to believe cause you are just being a stumbling block for your brothers.

Thanks for the advice, however, I do know from first hand.

[ApostolicRob]

You were the one to say something about "two or three witnesses" then Renda offered you some names and now your saying that those witnesses don't count because they're essentially biases (and not allowed to speak against the ministry anyways, thus by that logic the ministry will NEVER have any witnesses to wrong doing).

I don't have a bone in this fight and don't even know who Gerald Jeffers is but just noting the inconsistency.

There is plenty of wrong doing in the ministry we are humans. And that is going to happen but to bad mouth people on things you have not heard yourself. I never said I wouldn't except the two or three witnesses if you have them I would love to see them. But providing someones contact information is not a witness. Plus there was witness against Jesus as well so to say that people storys can be somewhat un-true does also happen

[rgcraig]

watch out, renda. a bear is gna eat you!

:spit

[rgcraig]

There is plenty of wrong doing in the ministry we are humans. And that is going to happen but to bad mouth people on things you have not heard yourself. I never said I wouldn't except the two or three witnesses if you have them I would love to see them. But providing someones contact information is not a witness. Plus there was witness against Jesus as well so to say that people storys can be somewhat un-true does also happen

Huh? Providing contact info of the witnesses isn't good enough?

It's okay - I understand what you are trying to say, but fact is fact and I know some facts and you don't.

[ApostolicRob]

Thanks for the advice, however, I do know from first hand.

Okay well Im not going to fight with anyone on this. This is Gods fight not mine we all know his word and if you want to keep bashing his anointed regardless of the mistakes you claim him to have made that up to you. He is a man of God and a Prophet so that is on your head because "life and death is in the tongue" hope you have a great day and hopefully I am not casting pearls among swine.

Bless

[Jack Shephard]

Okay well Im not going to fight with anyone on this. This is Gods fight not mine we all know his word and if you want to keep bashing his anointed regardless of the mistakes you claim him to have made that up to you. He is a man of God and a Prophet so that is on your head because "life and death is in the tongue" hope you have a great day and hopefully I am not casting pearls among swine.

Bless

Canned answer...typical Apostolic answer. Instead of saying, "You know...my experience is different than what I have read, but I cannot speak to what I haven't seen." That is a political answer, fine enough, but yours is a canned pentecostal answer when someone brings up a topic, issue or a verse that ya cannot explain away. I am sure Dr. Jeffers is a decent man, but decent men have done and said goofy things...like he has done.

[AncientPaths]

Okay well Im not going to fight with anyone on this. This is Gods fight not mine we all know his word and if you want to keep bashing his anointed regardless of the mistakes you claim him to have made that up to you. He is a man of God and a Prophet so that is on your head because "life and death is in the tongue" hope you have a great day and hopefully I am not casting pearls among swine.

Bless

So as a close personal friend, are you really in a position to be objective?

Also - and I'm not saying this about him specifically as I don't know him - the advent of internet forums and YouTube bring things to light that might otherwise go unchecked. Making comments and stating opinions based on publicly available information is not always bashing. Sometimes it's about a community of believers protecting itself.

And the "touch not mine annointed" card has been played way too many times by way too many wackos. It's like a protection clause for false teachers.

Plus - we trust Renda ;)

[rgcraig]

So as a close personal friend, are you really in a position to be objective?

Also - and I'm not saying this about him specifically as I don't know him - the advent of internet forums and YouTube bring things to light that might otherwise go unchecked. Making comments and stating opinions based on publicly available information is not always bashing. Sometimes it's about a community of believers protecting itself.

And the "touch not mine annointed" card has been played way too many times by way too many wackos. It's like a protection clause for false teachers.

Plus - we trust Renda ;)

Thanks AP!

[Charnock]

Okay well Im not going to fight with anyone on this. This is Gods fight not mine we all know his word and if you want to keep bashing his anointed regardless of the mistakes you claim him to have made that up to you. He is a man of God and a Prophet so that is on your head because "life and death is in the tongue" hope you have a great day and hopefully I am not casting pearls among swine.

Bless

Interpretation?

Renda, you're a pig and God's gonna get ya!

[Jack Shephard]

So as a close personal friend, are you really in a position to be objective?

Also - and I'm not saying this about him specifically as I don't know him - the advent of internet forums and YouTube bring things to light that might otherwise go unchecked. Making comments and stating opinions based on publicly available information is not always bashing. Sometimes it's about a community of believers protecting itself.

And the "touch not mine annointed" card has been played way too many times by way too many wackos. It's like a protection clause for false teachers.

Plus - we trust Renda ;)

Ditto

[Charnock]

Conservative Appies are a lot like Catholics.

1. Priest and/or Pastor infallibility.
2. Priest and/or Pastor is "accountable" for the people.
3. The church has the right to create doctrines as it sees fit (standards).

[rgcraig]

Interpretation?

Renda, you're a pig and God's gonna get ya!

Well, I do like pearls.

[Charnock]

Well, I do like pearls.

Next time I see you I will throw some at you.

[rgcraig]

Next time I see you I will throw some at you.
:heeheehee

[Dagwood]

WOW I cant believe this that you guys can all sit here a bash a man on God that you most all have said you do not know nor heard the things being said you are accusing him of. (1Ch 16:22 [Saying], Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.) I know Dr Jeffers personally as a member of MorningStar Apostolic Church In'tl he is a great friend to our church and has never once preached or counselled anyone in a manner that was not of God in 20 years at our church. I think it is really showing what the saints of God have turned into when we sit here and bash someone over what they have HEARD. What ever happened to two or three witnesses? You don't think the devil will use someone to put a bug in your ear if it will make you reject Gods word because of the man he used.

So, after 3 years of forum dormancy, you suddenly appear with this?

I spoke from experience when stating how I felt earlier on...

[deacon blues]

Haven't read this thread but I can tell you that this man and "ministry" is very dangerous. I know firsthand. He's burned many bridges with entire districts of the UPC and has created a lot of trouble in churches and brought division among families under the guise of hyper-spirituality. Proverbs 6 says that God hates those that sow discord among brethren. Be circumspect, very circumspect.

[deacon blues]

I know that you disagree with him on those issues, but I have seen some interesting things that make me wonder if he is on to something. Besides, is it really that far out there considering that we speak in languages that we never learned, receive interpretations in our own language, have very pointed and accurate prophecies given by people who know nothing about us, receive information that we could not possibly know, etc. Suddenly it begins to look like we are all a bit out of the mainstream now does it not? :D

The Antichrust and false prophet will decieve the world with "signs and wonders". Pharaohs magicians duplicated some of the plagues that God performed in Egypt. The witch of Endor was able to conjure Samuel's spirit. The devil can perform supernatural wonders, he does have some power. He cannot, however, bear the fruit of the Spirit. Jesus said we would know people and be able to judge them by their fruit, not by the miraculous. Christians should be very cautious with these matters. I'm afraid we have been too cavalier about supernatural manifestations. I believe in them, they've happened to me, I've witnessed things happen to others but I've also seen a lot that seemed questionable. And I've also seen a lot of people that gravitate to these types of things and many of them don't bear the kind of fruit that one should, being they are so close to God and used by Him, supposedly.

[deacon blues]

I wear a simple wedding band myself.I have on occasion worn cuff links and a tie tac.

I have been known to eat tic tacs.

[deacon blues]

WOW I cant believe this that you guys can all sit here a bash a man on God that you most all have said you do not know nor heard the things being said you are accusing him of. (1Ch 16:22 [Saying], Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.) I know Dr Jeffers personally as a member of MorningStar Apostolic Church In'tl he is a great friend to our church and has never once preached or counselled anyone in a manner that was not of God in 20 years at our church. I think it is really showing what the saints of God have turned into when we sit here and bash someone over what they have HEARD. What ever happened to two or three witnesses? You don't think the devil will use someone to put a bug in your ear if it will make you reject Gods word because of the man he used.

2-3 witnesses? How about entire Districts? Hundreds of churches, hundreds of ministers, thousands of members?

[Sarah]

Haven't read this thread but I can tell you that this man and "ministry" is very dangerous. I know firsthand. He's burned many bridges with entire districts of the UPC and has created a lot of trouble in churches and brought division among families under the guise of hyper-spirituality. Proverbs 6 says that God hates those that sow discord among brethren. Be circumspect, very circumspect.

I've never met the man personally, so I probably shouldn't say anything. However, I have read official letters from our leaders....and I trust them. We need to pray for him...

[Michael Phelps]

It also looks from your post that it seems that you are doing a lot of bashing about a man that you have never meet or witnessed anything from? If you are claiming that you are receiving information from a preacher as you say. What kind of man of God is that who is spreading gossip about others. If someone is making a claim that they received something in council (which you never heard) and is telling everyone then how do you know their not blaming what happen in their family on someone else. Just a word of advice I would watch what I say about God's chosen when you never personally heard that person(Dr Jeffers) say what you are claiming. You don't want to be one of those people who talk bad about the prophets cause history through out the bible tells us it never worked out for anyone who has. My advice is if you don't know first hand don't say it or lead others to believe cause you are just being a stumbling block for your brothers.


We're all God's chosen, my friend.

[rgcraig]

The Antichrust and false prophet will decieve the world with "signs and wonders". Pharaohs magicians duplicated some of the plagues that God performed in Egypt. The witch of Endor was able to conjure Samuel's spirit. The devil can perform supernatural wonders, he does have some power. He cannot, however, bear the fruit of the Spirit. Jesus said we would know people and be able to judge them by their fruit, not by the miraculous. Christians should be very cautious with these matters. I'm afraid we have been too cavalier about supernatural manifestations. I believe in them, they've happened to me, I've witnessed things happen to others but I've also seen a lot that seemed questionable. And I've also seen a lot of people that gravitate to these types of things and many of them don't bear the kind of fruit that one should, being they are so close to God and used by Him, supposedly.

Good preaching!

[Sister Alvear]

so true...

[Dagwood]

I've never met the man personally, so I probably shouldn't say anything. However, I have read official letters from our leaders....and I trust them. We need to pray for him...

Leaders? As in who? UPCI leaders? If so, we shouldn't expect you to believe anyone or anything else, especially if you haven't met him personally. But, I never met him personally. I witnessed him personally speak to the congregation. And it was at that time I sensed some discomfort coming from his spirit and what he was saying. As if his chin was touching his chest, staring down the congregation when he was speaking...

Unapologetically, NO ONE should ever tell the congregation "Oh, come on, you can cheer loudly at a football game. Why not cheer as loud or louder for Jesus in church?" as one of his first opening lines!!!

[AreYouReady?]

Okay well Im not going to fight with anyone on this. This is Gods fight not mine we all know his word and if you want to keep bashing his anointed regardless of the mistakes you claim him to have made that up to you. He is a man of God and a Prophet so that is on your head because "life and death is in the tongue" hope you have a great day and hopefully I am not casting pearls among swine.

Bless

What many people forget is that "ministers" are not the only God's anointed.

Anybody who has received the Holy Ghost is likewise God's anointed. And...everybody who has the Holy Ghost has a ministry. There is nothing in the Bible that says we are to witness and bring them to the church to listen to the preacher only...unless they cannot read for themselves? Many people will not go into a church for various reasons, but they want to learn more about God.

[kclee4jc]

What does a wedding ring signify?

The trinity.

[Michael Phelps]

The trinity.

:heeheehee I hope you're kidding!

[RandyWayne]

The trinity.

Your goin to have to splain that Lucy.

[kclee4jc]

Not kidding. When the wedding ring was first accepted as 'christian custom' it was placed on the thumb of the recipient at engagement. During the wedding it was moved to the next finger 'in the name of the father', the next 'in the name of the son', and finally landing on the ring finger 'in the name of the holy ghost'. I've posted on this before.

[Dagwood]

Not kidding. When the wedding ring was first accepted as 'christian custom' it was placed on the thumb of the recipient at engagement. During the wedding it was moved to the next finger 'in the name of the father', the next 'in the name of the son', and finally landing on the ring finger 'in the name of the holy ghost'. I've posted on this before.

Once again, another origins study on something that is no longer practiced in the same manner. I have yet to see the ring placed sequentially on each of the three fingers during any wedding ceremony. Was that practice ever done here in the States? Where are you originally from?

I think you simply read into too many things and take them way too far, better known as "extremism."

While we're on the study of origins, extremism has origins rooted in cults. But, you probably haven't read up on that, have you?

Back to the topic of Dr. Jeffers...

[AncientPaths]

Not kidding. When the wedding ring was first accepted as 'christian custom' it was placed on the thumb of the recipient at engagement. During the wedding it was moved to the next finger 'in the name of the father', the next 'in the name of the son', and finally landing on the ring finger 'in the name of the holy ghost'. I've posted on this before.

They quit doing that because 10 out of 10 times, it got stuck on the second finger because it was sized for the third finger. Fact. ;)

[Sister Alvear]

http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/pagan-symbols.html#church-buildings...
well what do you think? just saying....

[kclee4jc]

Just saying what?

[Michael Phelps]

Just saying what?

My friend, I respect your opinions, and don't say this in a mean way, but that is WAYYYYYYY out in left field. I suppose that eventually you can make a case against clothes, simply because the Pope has a certain order in which his garments go on.

[Sister Alvear]

I am saying almost every thing we do...comes from somewhere that dates back into history...
I am just saying at one time many years ago I tryed to look up where everything come from...the source...the origin, in the end...I was on a merry go around....
That was my purpose of putting that site there...even our calendars are pagan...the days of the week...and on and on...
So we must weigh all things out in the light of the Bible and eternity...

[Sister Alvear]

Just saying what?

Glad you met the Adams...sweet friends of many years.

[deacon blues]

Never mind

[dgonzales238]

In response to Mizpeh, 3rdxcharm, and Sherri..I find it pretty ironic that this website is called Apostolic FRIENDS forum and all of your comments about Dr Jeffers are not friendly whatsoever! Actually the comments made about him were rather gossipy, and if you read Prov 6:16 God hates 6 things and these comments fall under A proud look, a heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, and feet that be swift to mischief. The "spirtual" thing to do would be to take it to God in prayer and not "blast your brother" all over United States and Canada. Oh and also, A naughty person, wicked man, walketh with a froward mouth. Frowardness is in his heart , he deviseth mishchief continually, he soweth discord. Prov 6:12, 14. Please be kind with your words we reap what we sow. Have a blessed day. No need to respond. Love covers a multitude of sins. :girlytantrum

[Sherri]

Hey, all I'm saying is that IF he did the things and preached the things reported on here, then he is preaching ridiculous stuff. I don't know the guy from Adam, but we shouldn't just ignore false teachings that are far-out like this. He is evidently influencing a lot of people.

[tenngalpal]

I agree, but it's still jewelry. I could say that my diamond dinner ring is a sign to show that I've been married thirty years. My weddding ring is a sign that I'm married. My Africa necklace pendant is a sign that I love missions. It goes on and on.........the logic breaks down somewhere.

Sorry, I'm not meaning to argue. This kind of stuff just makes me crazy. Just say it's traditions, and I'm fine with that. I have my own.

WOW!!! what an intelligent impressive response & sweet spirit If only ALL posts were written in the tone...

[BroJoe]

I contemplated posting a new thread, but I did a quick search and found this one.

I'm very familiar with Dr. Jeffers. The last time I saw him, was in November of last year he did a Mens Conference in Tulare, CA.

This video will bless you. Dr. Jeffers preached this in 2007 at BOTT in Alexandria, LA.

http://apostoliclive.com/play.php?vid=3354

[kerry]

I have heard Dr. Jeffers at least 10 times at our church. He was there alot a few years ago but has somewhat fallen out of favor. He was a little odd and he one time preached a message at a ladies conference about becoming gods. That did it for me. Not a fan.

[Bro. Robbins]

I really hesitated about posting and stirring this pot that has set cold for a while... but...

One thing we must remember that all false doctrine, all false teaching will always have some truth mixed in... some favorable and honorable things mixed in. But once leaven enters in, the whole house has issues.

I have set under the minister of Dr. Jeffers twice. Once in 2010 at The Sanctuary in Lebanon, TN. That night he preached a wonderful message, it was powerful, and there was much truth in what he taught.

My pastor at the time, Jack Batson, then booked him to come to his church. I attended the services, until Dr. Jeffers preached a few items that honestly are straight out of the Word of Faith movement and no where near Scripture.

He preached that we are eternally past beings.... and that is not in the Word. He also preached the "little Gods" theology which is Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, etc hogwash.

I sat there folks. I heard it with my own ears. I left that church as my home church because the leadership allowed that teaching in the pulpit.

I would never publicly come into this forum and say something was said from a minister unless I had heard the whole message, and heard it in full context. He follows some doctrines that are complete heresy and off the wall. He has some dangerous teachings that he is involved with, and I would encourage anyone that enjoys their first dose of him to dig deeper... because there is some leaven in there that is ruining the whole house.

[rgcraig]

I really hesitated about posting and stirring this pot that has set cold for a while... but...

One thing we must remember that all false doctrine, all false teaching will always have some truth mixed in... some favorable and honorable things mixed in. But once leaven enters in, the whole house has issues.

I have set under the minister of Dr. Jeffers twice. Once in 2010 at The Sanctuary in Lebanon, TN. That night he preached a wonderful message, it was powerful, and there was much truth in what he taught.

My pastor at the time, Jack Batson, then booked him to come to his church. I attended the services, until Dr. Jeffers preached a few items that honestly are straight out of the Word of Faith movement and no where near Scripture.

He preached that we are eternally past beings.... and that is not in the Word. He also preached the "little Gods" theology which is Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, etc hogwash.

I sat there folks. I heard it with my own ears. I left that church as my home church because the leadership allowed that teaching in the pulpit.

I would never publicly come into this forum and say something was said from a minister unless I had heard the whole message, and heard it in full context. He follows some doctrines that are complete heresy and off the wall. He has some dangerous teachings that he is involved with, and I would encourage anyone that enjoys their first dose of him to dig deeper... because there is some leaven in there that is ruining the whole house.

Amen! Glad you were able to share your personal experience.

[Bro. Robbins]

Amen! Glad you were able to share your personal experience.

My pappaw was a preacher for over 40 years... and never said a bad word about anyone.. just not his nature. He was a forceful preacher, at 6'5" and 325, I saw him split a pulpit in half preaching once... tough man, but a teddy bear in treating people right. He would always say, especially about other preachers, eat the meat and spit out the bone.

I've tried to emulate that, with little success, over my life. I try to not judge a preacher by one or two beliefs he has in contrast to mine.

But there are times when someone veers so far from truth and what the Word says, that a man must just sound off and say, this is dangerous stuff.

The Little God's teaching, is a dangerous teaching that tickles ears, and overlooks our place and God's place. No matter what you package it in, even in an Apostolic Oneness cover, it's still false teaching.

[rgcraig]

My pappaw was a preacher for over 40 years... and never said a bad word about anyone.. just not his nature. He was a forceful preacher, at 6'5" and 325, I saw him split a pulpit in half preaching once... tough man, but a teddy bear in treating people right. He would always say, especially about other preachers, eat the meat and spit out the bone.

I've tried to emulate that, with little success, over my life. I try to not judge a preacher by one or two beliefs he has in contrast to mine.

But there are times when someone veers so far from truth and what the Word says, that a man must just sound off and say, this is dangerous stuff.

The Little God's teaching, is a dangerous teaching that tickles ears, and overlooks our place and God's place. No matter what you package it in, even in an Apostolic Oneness cover, it's still false teaching.

I agree and I think it's wrong to turn your eyes/ears away from these teachings when you know they are wrong.

I hope that others are able to see and make sound decisions about having him speak.

[AreYouReady?]

Well, false teachings are like dirt daubers. They keep adding and adding until they have their tidy little nest just the way they want it. Then it is taught as if it is truth.

Many of our churches are like that and many of us don't even know that false teachings have been instituted into the doctrine because it has been handed down that way for decades.

[Bro. Robbins]

Well, false teachings are like dirt daubers. They keep adding and adding until they have their tidy little nest just the way they want it. Then it is taught as if it is truth.

Many of our churches are like that and many of us don't even know that false teachings have been instituted into the doctrine because it has been handed down that way for decades.

I"m too old now... too crotchity.... too ornery.... too set in my mindset... to let someone convince me the Word says something it doesn't. I handed over 18 years of ministry in a work that I considered family, and lost a ton of friends and loved ones in my life to pursue Biblical Integrity and Truth in my life... and I'll stand for what I see in the Word and have a clear conscience before the Lord before I'll ever bow again to the current flavor of popularity.

There are UPD, ALJC, and other churches that think Dr. Jeffers is the best thing since sliced bread... and I saw people taking everything the man said like it was from the throne room itself. This man is so talented in his presentation, and stirs just enough truth into the pot to make it so appetizing.... I see many swallowing all he has to offer without question.

I don't believe in rebellion, pray for unity, and believe there are offices set up for the equipping of the church... but higher than any preacher, any bishop, any denom, organization, or current hyped up trend stands the authority of the Word of God... and it will stand when this world is on fire.

And this man is out of the book...

[rgcraig]

I hope the UPC has opened their eyes!

[Dagwood]

I contemplated posting a new thread, but I did a quick search and found this one.

I'm very familiar with Dr. Jeffers. The last time I saw him, was in November of last year he did a Mens Conference in Tulare, CA.

This video will bless you. Dr. Jeffers preached this in 2007 at BOTT in Alexandria, LA.

http://apostoliclive.com/play.php?vid=3354

"Now, you talkin' about a strange situation, the gentleman I'm bringing to you now, Dr. Jeffers, I'd never heard him preach. That's a scary thought, isn't it?"

Wow. As much respect as I have for Bro. Mangun, I'm rather shocked that even he would have someone with the amount of controversy behind him as stated just in this thread come and "preach" for his congregation, not to mention the fact that he's never heard him preach before.

I mean, that's what I heard him say. What more evidence is needed to be skeptical?

[Bro. Robbins]

"Now, you talkin' about a strange situation, the gentleman I'm bringing to you now, Dr. Jeffers, I'd never heard him preach. That's a scary thought, isn't it?"

Wow. As much respect as I have for Bro. Mangun, I'm rather shocked that even he would have someone with the amount of controversy behind him as stated just in this thread come and "preach" for his congregation, not to mention the fact that he's never heard him preach before.

I mean, that's what I heard him say. What more evidence is needed to be skeptical?

There are some, within the apostolic movement that are very much on Jeffers bandwagon. I saw leaders in the ALJC eat up everything the man said.... without question... and when I asked qualifying questions about the doctrines... was told I was causing division, because there were too many "signs and wonders" acommpanying his ministry for it to not be right. He was supposedly bringing FRESH BREAD and NEW REVELATION that we needed to hear.

I have no idea, but would almost bet that Mangun was "suggested" to have the guy at BOTT, keeping in mind that's a little different than giving him your pulpit for your congregation. And would almost bet he made sure that for those in the crowd who weren't on the Jeffers bandwagon, he provided the disclaimer that he had never heard the man preach.

I'm an evangelist... I know what that line means when a preacher says that when he's introducing me... it means... if he goes off the deep end, aint my fault.. he was just recommended to me, LOL.

[Dagwood]

There are some, within the apostolic movement that are very much on Jeffers bandwagon. I saw leaders in the ALJC eat up everything the man said.... without question... and when I asked qualifying questions about the doctrines... was told I was causing division, because there were too many "signs and wonders" acommpanying his ministry for it to not be right. He was supposedly bringing FRESH BREAD and NEW REVELATION that we needed to hear.

I have no idea, but would almost bet that Mangun was "suggested" to have the guy at BOTT, keeping in mind that's a little different than giving him your pulpit for your congregation. And would almost bet he made sure that for those in the crowd who weren't on the Jeffers bandwagon, he provided the disclaimer that he had never heard the man preach.

I'm an evangelist... I know what that line means when a preacher says that when he's introducing me... it means... if he goes off the deep end, aint my fault.. he was just recommended to me, LOL.

I gotcha. And, Mangun did mention that Tenney told him about Jeffers. Being that Tenney and Mangun are very close, I'm sure Mangun didn't want to dismiss the opportunity. But, still, caution flags are thrown up anytime I hear "But, I've never heard so-and-so preach before."

[Rose]

Very interesting; am wondering if Bro Mangun had Dr Jeffers return to his pulpit after 2007?

[Bro. Robbins]

Very interesting; am wondering if Bro Mangun had Dr Jeffers return to his pulpit after 2007?


BINGO!!!!!! From the perspective as an evangelist... the return visit invitation is much more meaningful to me than the first one.

[Bro. Robbins]

And if I may cut someone off at the pass here....

I know there are some that will probably post to one incident when Dr. Jeffers preached a great message, or gave them a word they needed, or had a good thought, and somehow think that out weighs his doctrines that he taughts of eternal past souls and little gods.... I give to you the great wisdom of the East TN Hills I was raised in.....


Don't Matter.... even a blind hog can find an acorn every once in a while....

[Dagwood]

And if I may cut someone off at the pass here....

I know there are some that will probably post to one incident when Dr. Jeffers preached a great message, or gave them a word they needed, or had a good thought, and somehow think that out weighs his doctrines that he taughts of eternal past souls and little gods.... I give to you the great wisdom of the East TN Hills I was raised in.....


Don't Matter.... even a blind hog can find an acorn every once in a while....

LOL, I could just hear that Appalachian accent now...

I love it...

[rgcraig]

I believe the word is trickling out about him. I know a well-known minister in UPC has experienced heartbreak within his family because of some of his teachings.

[Bro. Robbins]

I believe the word is trickling out about him. I know a well-known minister in UPC has experienced heartbreak within his family because of some of his teachings.

What does surprise me is there are some churches that will book him, over, and over, and over.... even lost good hard working members over some of his teachings, but the pastors are absolutely enamored with him. I love a local former pastor of mine.... have a huge amount of respect, admiration and love for him. He's not perfect, but I believe him to be one of the most balanced men in regards to holiness, discipleship, vision, compassion.... and when he not only booked Jeffers, but stood behind his teachings... and has rebooked him, it broke my heart.

I got so tired of hearing... This is FRESH BREAD....

[BroJoe]

Never heard of the little god theology before.

[rgcraig]

Never heard of the little god theology before.

Check it out.

[BroJoe]

Check it out.


I've heard it from preachers outside my organization, mostly outside the Apostolic ranks.

I just meant I hadn't heard it from him. Anyone have a clip with him preaching this in it?

[Bro. Robbins]

Never heard of the little god theology before.

better look into brother... though there are different flavors of it... it's dangerous... and spreads it's tenticles into doctrines like Mormonism, Word of Faith/Name it Claim It, Universalism...etc. It also has ties into the, we are eternal souls before we were born, which lends itself into Reincarnation, mysticism, and some of those other dangerous eastern philosophies.

Jeffers takes the scripture in Isaiah, Psalms, and the Gospels where Jesus refers back to the old Testament writings... and takes the reference of "ye are gods" which is talking about righteous judges totally out of context, blends it with the enternal souls' past teaching... and really elevates the teaching to something that is almost in the realm of Mormonism and even beyond Word of Faith....

Very, very dangerous.

[Bro. Robbins]

I've heard it from preachers outside my organization, mostly outside the Apostolic ranks.

I just meant I hadn't heard it from him. Anyone have a clip with him preaching this in it?


Lately, he's been teaching it almost every where he goes. I was going to post the link to the audio of him preaching it here in Nashville at New Life Apostolic, but the link on their website no longer works to the message. I was there that night... scary stuff.

I know there are some youtube videos that you can find pretty easily, just not sure they are the full message, and you need to hear it all within context.

I can tell you, the man preaches it.... his own variation of it, but he preaches it.... I would gain not one thing to misrepresent it... I actually am putting myself out there for some ridicule about it from those who visit this forum just to see what people say.

[BroJoe]

I would agree the little god theology I heard and read about is very dangerous. I hadn't thought it made it's way into the Apostolic ranks.

I listen to Jeffers a lot actually. He tours around california quite extensively.

There are Churches within my organization that won't allow him to come back. I've heard from students at CLC that Jeffers isn't allowed back by Bro Nathanial because he took certain scripture out of context.

But they said the same thing about Jimmy Toney, lol, who Apostolic young people adore. lol

[Bro. Robbins]

I would agree the little god theology I heard and read about is very dangerous. I hadn't thought it made it's way into the Apostolic ranks.

I listen to Jeffers a lot actually. He tours around california quite extensively.

There are Churches within my organization that won't allow him to come back. I've heard from students at CLC that Jeffers isn't allowed back by Bro Nathanial because he took certain scripture out of context.

But they said the same thing about Jimmy Toney, lol, who Apostolic young people adore. lol

Hate to sound like an old coot here... but the size of the following doesn't make it gold... next time you want to judge the merit of anything by the size of it's following and adorers... just take a look at a truck full of horse manure.... the following of flies it will have will amaze you, but take it from this hillbilly preacher, it's still just a pile of DUNG!!!!!!!

[BroJoe]

Hate to sound like an old coot here... but the size of the following doesn't make it gold... next time you want to judge the merit of anything by the size of it's following and adorers... just take a look at a truck full of horse manure.... the following of flies it will have will amaze you, but take it from this hillbilly preacher, it's still just a pile of DUNG!!!!!!!

:highfive

[houston]

Jimmy Toney?

[BroJoe]

Jimmy Toney?

Relatively young preacher in the UPC.

He'll be preaching GC 2012, if I'm not mistaken.

Preached Youth Congress last year.

Building a new Church in Lexington, KY.

He was actually the one that preached the WD Youth Convetion where I go the Holy Ghost.

[houston]

I think it's funny in a sad kinda way that the UPCI does nothing to encourage young men to enter into the ministry, kills off anyone with a vision, and kicks out those of a different opinion.

...she'd self destruct already. But there will always be those who can't get enough SLURM. It quenches their thirst.

[BroJoe]

I think it's funny in a sad kinda way that the UPCI does nothing to encourage young men to enter into the ministry, kills off anyone with a vision, and kicks out those of a different opinion.

I wish she'd self destruct already. But there will always be those who can't get enough SLURM. It quenches their thirst.


I'm 24 and I feel like I'm being encouraged quite well. :).

[houston]

Mmkay

[houston]

3773

[BroJoe]

"Now, you talkin' about a strange situation, the gentleman I'm bringing to you now, Dr. Jeffers, I'd never heard him preach. That's a scary thought, isn't it?"

Wow. As much respect as I have for Bro. Mangun, I'm rather shocked that even he would have someone with the amount of controversy behind him as stated just in this thread come and "preach" for his congregation, not to mention the fact that he's never heard him preach before.

I mean, that's what I heard him say. What more evidence is needed to be skeptical?

Bro. Tenney referred him to Bro Mangun.

The only controversy I've ever heard about Bro. Jeffers has come from this thread alone lol.

All I've ever heard was positive.

[Dagwood]

Bro. Tenney referred him to Bro Mangun.

The only controversy I've ever heard about Bro. Jeffers has come from this thread alone lol.

All I've ever heard was positive.

Well, understand, my experience isn't based on some message or doctrine I believe he's in error on. Simply, it was his opening statements at church a few years ago, a very common tag line among some/many UPC preachers. Take a look a few posts back and you'll see the statement I'm referring to.

He may be a kind, genuine Christian overall. I'm not questioning his character, just not sure about why someone would open up a service with what he said. And, to see the video of Bro. Mangun making his opening remarks about Jeffers causes me to scratch my head even more...

[HolyFire]

Me and my wife are gonna watch his "I am a god" sermon. I listened to a couple minutes, *shudders*.

He said 'you'll have a gods joy, a gods peace.'

[BroJoe]

Me and my wife are gonna watch his "I am a god" sermon. I listened to a couple minutes, *shudders*.

He said 'you'll have a gods joy, a gods peace.'

Let us know what you think bro.

[HolyFire]

Let us know what you think bro.

I will in this case. I watched the 1st 15 minutes. He's gone. If he preaches this among the New Apostolic Reformation Charismatics he'll be booked for life (their Dominionists). He is in error, I won't bid him Godspeed. Any pastor that books him is asking for trouble - he's crossed a very bad line. I've never said that about anyone when it comes to the spirit realm. I seriously think he's went from scriptural supernatural to borderline divination and deception. Unless I misunderstood, I was about to pray for him and it was like God said rather loudly in my spirit, 'NO!'. It feels Geffers is going to be a test to see if people want God more that gifts and manifestations. Never felt that before about anyone.

[houston]

Now my curiosity is peaked.

[BroJoe]

Perhaps you should have watched the entire message.

From my personal experience, sometimes preachers begin preaching a message with some very unusual statements and it leaves me sitting there tense. But by halfway through the message, he brings it all together and the context shifts.

[Bro. Robbins]

Perhaps you should have watched the entire message.

From my personal experience, sometimes preachers begin preaching a message with some very unusual statements and it leaves me sitting there tense. But by halfway through the message, he brings it all together and the context shifts.

Brother... though I didn't watch the video... I have sat through this "little gods" message in person... as stated before, at New Life here in Nashville. I sat for multiple services, and have the notes from hearing not only the heresy of the "little gods" message, but also the "we are eternal beings eternally past" teaching as well.

So for those that didn't listen to the whole thing... I did... and it's false doctrine and dangerous teaching....

[CC1]

Brother... though I didn't watch the video... I have sat through this "little gods" message in person... as stated before, at New Life here in Nashville. I sat for multiple services, and have the notes from hearing not only the heresy of the "little gods" message, but also the "we are eternal beings eternally past" teaching as well.

So for those that didn't listen to the whole thing... I did... and it's false doctrine and dangerous teaching....

You are a member at New Life Apostolic Church in Nashville? We are almost neighbors as I also live in Middle Tennessee.

[BroJoe]

Brother... though I didn't watch the video... I have sat through this "little gods" message in person... as stated before, at New Life here in Nashville. I sat for multiple services, and have the notes from hearing not only the heresy of the "little gods" message, but also the "we are eternal beings eternally past" teaching as well.

So for those that didn't listen to the whole thing... I did... and it's false doctrine and dangerous teaching....

Hey Bro,

I've heard Jeffers several times, I even have had him sign my Bible and give me a word. In all of his sermons he has always, 100% of the time directed all glory, power, eternity, to Jesus. He has never...again he has never, that I have heard, made himself out to be something more than he is.

[Bro. Robbins]

You are a member at New Life Apostolic Church in Nashville? We are almost neighbors as I also live in Middle Tennessee.


No I did attend there, and was ALJC... wasn't a member since they (like so many Apostolic churches) don't have membership.

I left New Life because of the Dr. Jeffers circus and gave up my credentials in the ALJC over it. I was saddened that the Pastor, who I still love greatly, felt he would take a stand with Dr. Jeffers, and has had him back on various occassions since.

The junk that Jeffers taught was so bad, those of us that left felt it was better to leave, than to sit and not be in unity with leadership since leadership had placed such a high regard for Dr. Jeffers teaching.

That is why I am now ordained with Emmanuel Churches of Christ-Pentecostal.

[Bro. Robbins]

Hey Bro,

I've heard Jeffers several times, I even have had him sign my Bible and give me a word. In all of his sermons he has always, 100% of the time directed all glory, power, eternity, to Jesus. He has never...again he has never, that I have heard, made himself out to be something more than he is.

You can do everything you stated in that post... and still preach some heresy among smatterings of Truth. The Little God's teaching is on the verge of Dominionism... at the very least Word of Faith.

And to preach that we are souls that existed prior to birth... that we were eternally existent in the past... that's just not Bible.

If you will read my original posts... the first time I heard him, I loved him... but all false prophets use some truth.

The man's teachings as a whole, have great error... and that is why there is so much controversy over him..... at least here on the East Coast.

[CC1]

I am now ordained with Emmanuel Churches of Christ-Pentecostal.

Are they Oneness Pentecostal? What is their story? What sets them apart from the UPC or ALJC ? Feel free to answer via PM or by starting a thread about them. Until you posted about this org. here on AFF I don't think I had ever heard of them.

[BroJoe]

Until you posted about this org. here on AFF I don't think I had ever heard of them.

Ditto

[HolyFire]

Perhaps you should have watched the entire message.

From my personal experience, sometimes preachers begin preaching a message with some very unusual statements and it leaves me sitting there tense. But by halfway through the message, he brings it all together and the context shifts.

I listened to enough. I've had the Holy Spirit baptism since I was 20, I'm 36 now. I've heard a lot of preaching and been in enough services and bucked up against a few spirits in my time (in church and in prayer). I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed spiritually, but comparing the Word and the spirit I felt while he was preaching - something was BAD OFF.

I am not going to share experiences to validate myself, but I will say this. I heard him several times a while back in Bro. Don Johnson's church in Memphis. No suspicious stuff. It was God. In my spirit, I feel something has happened to him the last year and a half or two years. Don't be surprised if something comes out about him in the future, if he doesn't change.

We aren't gods. Paul said in Romans 7:24 "O wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?".

Remember God killed Herod because he did not correct the people declaring Harod was a god in the book of Acts. We do not have God's DNA we can't have a gods joy/peace etc... Authority is delegated, but a god has his own authority and need none be delegated to him.

There is the Joy of the Lord coming from the Lord. It is not ours, it was given to us. Our DNA will not change until we are translated. That is my 4 cents.

I respect your opinion, but politely disagree.

[houston]

Hey Bro,

I've heard Jeffers several times, I even have had him sign my Bible and give me a word. In all of his sermons he has always, 100% of the time directed all glory, power, eternity, to Jesus. He has never...again he has never, that I have heard, made himself out to be something more than he is.

Why did you have him sign your bible? O.o

Idolize much?

[CC1]

Why did you have him sign your bible? O.o

Idolize much?

I almost had LS sign my bible once but I was afraid it might be his doppleganger angel and not really him so I didn't.:happydance:highfive

[RandyWayne]

I almost had LS sign my bible once but I was afraid it might be his doppleganger angel and not really him so I didn't.:happydance:highfive

You should have. The Old Man from Pawn Stars may have offered you 5 bucks at some point in the future.

[houston]

I almost had LS sign my bible once but I was afraid it might be his doppleganger angel and not really him so I didn't.:happydance:highfive

Lol.

[HolyFire]

Brother... though I didn't watch the video... I have sat through this "little gods" message in person ... as stated before, at New Life here in Nashville. I sat for multiple services, and have the notes from hearing not only the heresy of the "little gods" message, but also the "we are eternal beings eternally past" teaching as well.

So for those that didn't listen to the whole thing... I did... and it's false doctrine and dangerous teaching....

I remember being at Temple of Deliverence COGIC in Memphis (G.E. Patterson was bishop) and Juanita Bynum was preaching (when she was more of a minister and nowhere near the Jezebel false prophetess). One thing she touched on was 'we are gods' for a couple minutes. It was about a year later she was on TBN @ a friends house and it was all about sowing seed to her and TBN.

We all know how things have been for her since (this was 2000 or 2001).

[Thinker]

:whistleHey Bro,

I've heard Jeffers several times, I even have had him sign my Bible and give me a word. In all of his sermons he has always, 100% of the time directed all glory, power, eternity, to Jesus. He has never...again he has never, that I have heard, made himself out to be something more than he is.


.
Jeffers creepeth me out. . . . . .:whistle




.

[BroJoe]

Why did you have him sign your bible? O.o

Idolize much?

Men of God that I respect and admire, I ask them to write something personally to me. It's not uncommon, nor do I feel as if it's idolizing him.


EDIT:

The Scripture he gave me was Phil. 3:10 and wrote that as I was entering into the ministry to always remember that God places relationship over ministry.

[RandyWayne]

Men of God that I respect and admire, I ask them to write something personally to me. It's not uncommon, nor do I feel as if it's idolizing him.

I agree. And it also increases the value, if by only a few dollars, to this guy. :)

http://haphappy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/oldman2.png

[HolyFire]

Men of God that I respect and admire, I ask them to write something personally to me. It's not uncommon, nor do I feel as if it's idolizing him.


EDIT:

The Scripture he gave me was Phil. 3:10 and wrote that as I was entering into the ministry to always remember that God places relationship over ministry.

My fave scripture.

Not a bad idea - men of God giving advice, permanently in your Bible.

[Bro. Robbins]

Men of God that I respect and admire, I ask them to write something personally to me. It's not uncommon, nor do I feel as if it's idolizing him.


EDIT:

The Scripture he gave me was Phil. 3:10 and wrote that as I was entering into the ministry to always remember that God places relationship over ministry.

I have to be honest... I've seen that done, a lot in the COG and that practice sort of creeps me out. And after being in Evangelism for a few years, I had a couple of young guys in the ministry ask me to do it... and I said I'm honored, but no thanks.... and I declined signing their Bibles.

To me, it's too much like getting autographs, and too easily puts that minister on a different level than they should be. It also inwardly can boost their ego, and we as ministers don't need that.

It's funny that Joe said what he does of why... as the last time at a Campmeeting I was preaching, the young man said could you give me your signature and a note of advice or word in my Bible? I told him, you have all the advice and word you need already printed between the covers of it, you don't need my 2 cents on the front page.

[Bro. Robbins]

Are they Oneness Pentecostal? What is their story? What sets them apart from the UPC or ALJC ? Feel free to answer via PM or by starting a thread about them. Until you posted about this org. here on AFF I don't think I had ever heard of them.

I hate to side track this thread... and hope this will not side track it......but to answer your question the Emmanuel Churches of Christ are Oneness Pentecostal through and through. They are a very, very small organization with our headquarters here in Nashville. The mother church is in Donelson, but not our largest church. It is very, very small. We have about 50 churches in the KY, AL, TN, GA, MS region, and several international works. We support over 180 churches in Honduras alone.

It was begun in the mid 1900's by a lady, and of course in that time within Oneness circles, women ministers were something that weren't allowed much. For years it was a thriving and growing organization until a horrible scandal hit the organization in the late 80's.

The Assistant General Overseer committed murder and burned his church, and was sentenced to the electric chair. Link to that story below. It was a horrible, devastating, terrible time within the church.

Now there is finally healing, renewal, and strength coming back into the Emmanuel churches, and we are believing God for great things.

I have only been in the organization less than a year, and currently am the only Evangelist within the organization. We have churches from each end of the spectrum concerning standards, and we all fellowship very well. Though I am much more conservative than most, it is not an issue in us loving one another, and our ability to all work together as an organization.



http://murderpedia.org/male.T/t/terry-john-david.htm

[CC1]

I hate to side track this thread... and hope this will not side track it......but to answer your question the Emmanuel Churches of Christ are Oneness Pentecostal through and through. They are a very, very small organization with our headquarters here in Nashville. The mother church is in Donelson, but not our largest church. It is very, very small. We have about 50 churches in the KY, AL, TN, GA, MS region, and several international works. We support over 180 churches in Honduras alone.

It was begun in the mid 1900's by a lady, and of course in that time within Oneness circles, women ministers were something that weren't allowed much. For years it was a thriving and growing organization until a horrible scandal hit the organization in the late 80's.

The Assistant General Overseer committed murder and burned his church, and was sentenced to the electric chair. Link to that story below. It was a horrible, devastating, terrible time within the church.

Now there is finally healing, renewal, and strength coming back into the Emmanuel churches, and we are believing God for great things.

I have only been in the organization less than a year, and currently am the only Evangelist within the organization. We have churches from each end of the spectrum concerning standards, and we all fellowship very well. Though I am much more conservative than most, it is not an issue in us loving one another, and our ability to all work together as an organization.



http://murderpedia.org/male.T/t/terry-john-david.htm

A truly horrific crime plus the murderer apparently was not the sharpest tool in the shed. Did he really think the fire investigators would not notice the head and other body parts were missing? Good grief! (I guess this is what happens when you are sheltered and don't watch enough TV detective shows)

[Sister Alvear]

You know some people start out well but fame goes to their heads...The one and only time I heard him he spoke really well and nothing like gods were mentioned...

[Bro. Robbins]

You know some people start out well but fame goes to their heads...The one and only time I heard him he spoke really well and nothing like gods were mentioned...

Sister Alvear, that was my first encounter with him as well. The first time I heard him, it was awesome. I feasted on some of the thoughts he brought out for days... but when we had him in our own church... about the 2nd or 3rd service some aspects of his teaching hit some ideas and doctrines that were just out in left field.

And the hardest part is, when someone goes off like this, they still leave enough truth in it that it camaflouges the heresy, and if people don't search out the scriptures, they can easily take it all in as gospel.

[RandyWayne]

A truly horrific crime plus the murderer apparently was not the sharpest tool in the shed. Did he really think the fire investigators would not notice the head and other body parts were missing? Good grief! (I guess this is what happens when you are sheltered and don't watch enough TV detective shows)

LOL

[deacon blues]

Hey Bro,

I've heard Jeffers several times, I even have had him sign my Bible and give me a word. In all of his sermons he has always, 100% of the time directed all glory, power, eternity, to Jesus. He has never...again he has never, that I have heard, made himself out to be something more than he is.

I'm happy your experiences have been positive. But the man's reputation is not good elsewhere. He caused trouble/division for my BIL at the church he once pastored. He caused division in a fine family between sons in law and their FIL, a well respected pastor. He has been banned to preach in OH. He is not a good man. He is not a man of God. Men of God do not cause division. They bring unity and brotherhood.

[Michael Phelps]

Sister Alvear, that was my first encounter with him as well. The first time I heard him, it was awesome. I feasted on some of the thoughts he brought out for days... but when we had him in our own church... about the 2nd or 3rd service some aspects of his teaching hit some ideas and doctrines that were just out in left field.

And the hardest part is, when someone goes off like this, they still leave enough truth in it that it camaflouges the heresy, and if people don't search out the scriptures, they can easily take it all in as gospel.

True statement.......half truths are worse than flat out lies, in most cases.

[HolyFire]

True statement.......half truths are worse than flat out lies, in most cases.

A half truth is what got Adam and Eve.

[papapraiz]

I recently heard that Dr. Jeffers is getting married, leaving the evangelistic field and moving to the Atlanta area to oversee several churches. Does anyone know who he is marrying and what churches he will be overseeing?

[Bro. Robbins]

I recently heard that Dr. Jeffers is getting married, leaving the evangelistic field and moving to the Atlanta area to oversee several churches. Does anyone know who he is marrying and what churches he will be overseeing?

So little gods get married? good to know....

[papapraiz]

I was trying to be sarcastic ...

[papapraiz]

I was NOT trying to be sarcastic ...

[papapraiz]

I recently heard that Dr. Jeffers is getting married, leaving the evangelistic field and moving to the Atlanta area to oversee several churches. Does anyone know who he is marrying and what churches he will be overseeing?

[rgcraig]

I was trying to be sarcastic ...

I was NOT trying to be sarcastic ...

Are you always this indecisive?

[papapraiz]

Not usually ... :)

[papapraiz]

He is getting married to Pastor Ella Green on December 12

http://registry.weddingchannel.com/coupledir/201212/G/R324057264/PASTORELLA_GREEN_AND_DRGERALD_JEFFERS.htm

[papapraiz]

Re: Dr. Gerald Jeffers
He is getting married to Pastor Ella Green on December 12

http://registry.weddingchannel.com/c...LD_JEFFERS.htm

[estheriam]

Re: Dr. Gerald Jeffers
He is getting married to Pastor Ella Green on December 12

http://registry.weddingchannel.com/c...LD_JEFFERS.htm


Really?

[LooneyLucy]

Relatively young preacher in the UPC.

He'll be preaching GC 2012, if I'm not mistaken.

Preached Youth Congress last year.

Building a new Church in Lexington, KY.

He was actually the one that preached the WD Youth Convetion where I go the Holy Ghost.

I heard him at Youth Congress last year, and wasn't impressed AT ALL.

[SwordSainT]

I am saying almost every thing we do...comes from somewhere that dates back into history...
I am just saying at one time many years ago I tryed to look up where everything come from...the source...the origin, in the end...I was on a merry go around....
That was my purpose of putting that site there...even our calendars are pagan...the days of the week...and on and on...
So we must weigh all things out in the light of the Bible and eternity...

That is so true Sister Alvear! I speak with many home churchers who try and use those roots as a reason why they do not have a church body or Pastor in their lives. Its too to see such simple yet revlilatory logic.