News Flash! Pastor Reba Rambo opens Gay CHurch!!!

[Thad]

Did you hear that Reba Rambo is now called "PASTOR" Reba ?????
OMG OMG
The name of her and her husband's church is called "The River at music City " in Nashville .

NEWS!!!
they are openly accepting of the homosexual lifestyle! and even have openly gay ministry on staff !!!!



IS this where leaving the truth leads ?????

[Ferd]

my God in heaven.

[Steve Epley]

This would indeed be another sad note in their downward life.

[Thad]

This would indeed be another sad note in their downward life.


but are you surprised ?

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

What UPC church are they at next?!?

[Steve Epley]

but are you surprised ?

Well????????????????????????????????????

[ManOfWord]

Did you hear that Reba Rambo is now called "PASTOR" Reba ?????
OMG OMG
The name of her and her husband's church is called "The River at music City " in Nashville .

NEWS!!!
they are openly accepting of the homosexual lifestyle! and even have openly gay ministry on staff !!!!



IS this where leaving the truth leads ?????

It's not leaving the Ac. 2:38 message that causes these things. You should be aware that there are those who are fully Ac. 2:38....speaking in tongues and shockamoo and all and yet embrace the homosexual lifestyle.

I think it's an abomination, but the Ac. 2:38 message has nothing to do with it, leaving Jesus Christ and the immutability of His word does.

[chaotic_resolve]

IS this where leaving the truth leads ?????

It's not leaving the Ac. 2:38 message that causes these things. You should be aware that there are those who are fully Ac. 2:38....speaking in tongues and shockamoo and all and yet embrace the homosexual lifestyle.

I think it's an abomination, but the Ac. 2:38 message has nothing to do with it, leaving Jesus Christ and the immutability of His word does.

I think Thad may be saying: the truth = UPC. Since she left "the truth," aka the UPC, this is where it's led.

:thumbsup

[Sherri]

There is a family member of someone that I know that is gay and he has started attending this church. I had just heard last week that it is "gay-confirming" and it just made me sick to my stomach. Donny preached for us several years ago and did a really good job. But I had heard that Reba had recently preached at an openly gay conference, so I'm not surprised by this too much.

[Trouvere]

I don't think its wrong to preach at an openly gay conference if you are willing to be like Paul when he stood on Mars Hill and preached the unknown
God.It may be that conviction would fall.If even one sinner repented than it would be worth it but to encourage a sinful lifestyle is wrong and we would have God to answer to for that.A person would have to be strong in their convictions and not care what the looks on their faces were like.I think though it would probably cause a riot.lol

[Sherri]

I don't think its wrong to preach at an openly gay conference if you are willing to be like Paul when he stood on Mars Hill and preached the unknown
God.It may be that conviction would fall.If even one sinner repented than it would be worth it but to encourage a sinful lifestyle is wrong and we would have God to answer to for that.A person would have to be strong in their convictions and not care what the looks on their faces were like.I think though it would probably cause a riot.lol
The problem in this is..........she doesn't think it's wrong, according to what I've heard. She is endorsing it as a part of the Christian culture.

[Sister Alvear]

So heartbreaking...

[Barb]

The problem in this is..........she doesn't think it's wrong, according to what I've heard. She is endorsing it as a part of the Christian culture.

This is a tragic thing to hear...tragic...

[Trouvere]

The problem in this is..........she doesn't think it's wrong, according to what I've heard. She is endorsing it as a part of the Christian culture.

That is so sad to hear.

[Esther]

WOW!

Look where deception will send you.

Truly sad.

To have known the truth and now being in total deception.

What do you sell your soul for? OR what is it worth to you?

[Theresa]

http://www.theriveratmusiccity.com/home.htm

[South of I 90]

Did you hear that Reba Rambo is now called "PASTOR" Reba ?????
OMG OMG
The name of her and her husband's church is called "The River at music City " in Nashville .

NEWS!!!
they are openly accepting of the homosexual lifestyle! and even have openly gay ministry on staff !!!!



IS this where leaving the truth leads ?????

Didn't she use to sing a song with her parents called "If That Isn't Love"!! :tease

[Praxeas]

Did you hear that Reba Rambo is now called "PASTOR" Reba ?????
OMG OMG
The name of her and her husband's church is called "The River at music City " in Nashville .

NEWS!!!
they are openly accepting of the homosexual lifestyle! and even have openly gay ministry on staff !!!!



IS this where leaving the truth leads ?????
Can this be verified independently?

[Praxeas]

There is a family member of someone that I know that is gay and he has started attending this church. I had just heard last week that it is "gay-confirming" and it just made me sick to my stomach. Donny preached for us several years ago and did a really good job. But I had heard that Reba had recently preached at an openly gay conference, so I'm not surprised by this too much.
Wow....how sad.

[rgcraig]

Didn't she use to sing a song with her parents called "If That Isn't Love"!! :tease

I know the Imperials sang it - not sure if the Rambo's did.

[Praxeas]

I think Thad may be saying: the truth = UPC. Since she left "the truth," aka the UPC, this is where it's led.

:thumbsup
This is where leaving the principles of Christ lead to...that crowd she hangs out with...the TBN crowd...I never hear them preach against sin or a need for repentance. It's always an ego centric message about what God can do for you, like He is indebted to us

[South of I 90]

I know the Imperials sang it - not sure if the Rambo's did.


There was a pun that was intended!

[Praxeas]

That song is in the song book and it's credited to her

[rgcraig]

There was a pun that was intended!

lol.....:nothingtoadd

[South of I 90]

Can this be verified independently?

Probably so; however this quote was on their website.

The River began evolving into a rainbow of all people and all cultures. Men, women, boys, and girls began blossoming in their individual gifts. While not for everyone, The River became exactly the church that many in Nashville had been searching for.

This is not a total indictment; but it sure infers their "openess" toward the gay lifestyle.

[rgcraig]

Probably so; however this quote was on their website.

The River began evolving into a rainbow of all people and all cultures. Men, women, boys, and girls began blossoming in their individual gifts. While not for everyone, The River became exactly the church that many in Nashville had been searching for.

This is not a total indictment; but it sure infers their "openess" toward the gay lifestyle.

Especially, with the chosen word "rainbow"......

[Praxeas]

post the URL please

[Praxeas]

wait...who is Reba Rambo?

[rgcraig]

http://www.theriveratmusiccity.com/home.htm

bump

[South of I 90]

post the URL please

Already been posted at post #16

[Praxeas]

Decidedly non-religious in our format and philosophy, we celebrate the freedom that flows from each person’s unique relationship with the Father. We perpetuate the Gospel of Good News…God loves us, He has an awesome plan for our lives, and we can walk in His power and passion toward all humanity.
Pastors Dony and Reba McGuire share inspirational, relevant messages that propel the listeners into their ultimate purpose and destiny. We invite you to come take a cool refreshing drink of life-giving water at The River.

[South of I 90]

wait...who is Reba Rambo?

She is the ex-wife of the choir director at Christ Church in Nashville.

[Praxeas]

wait...who is Reba Rambo?
And why should I care? I was thinking Dottie Rambo

[South of I 90]

And why should I care? I was thinking Dottie Rambo

Daughter of Buck and Dottie

[Scott Hutchinson]

When folks leave the Bible this happens cause you don't have to be UPC to be saved.
Homosexuality will always be wrong.

[Praxeas]

She is the ex-wife of the choir director at Christ Church in Nashville.
oh.......:dunno

[Praxeas]

Daughter of Buck and Dottie
Ahhhhh

[Praxeas]

I noticed he wears a clerical collar

[rgcraig]

She is the ex-wife of the choir director at Christ Church in Nashville.

And Donny is the ex-husband of the wife of the choir director at Christ Church in Nashville.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I won't drink any water from that church ,no telling what it would have in it.

[Praxeas]

In 1985, after decades of musical concert touring, Christian and secular television productions, and receiving Grammy and Dove Award honors, the focus of ministry changed dramatically for Dony and Reba Rambo McGuire. They believed God was calling them out of concerts into evangelistic crusades.

In other words not enough people paying for their music, so they decided to start a huge church based on modern church building principles

[chosenbyone]

There is a family member of someone that I know that is gay and he has started attending this church. I had just heard last week that it is "gay-confirming" and it just made me sick to my stomach. Donny preached for us several years ago and did a really good job. But I had heard that Reba had recently preached at an openly gay conference, so I'm not surprised by this too much.

It is a very sad situation. This really isn't a recent development. They have been touring, I hesitate using the word ministering, in gay churches for some time.

The spirit of homosexuality is directly linked to the spirit of the Antichrist and we will see many more fall under this deception before Christ's return.

We should all pray that God will deliver them out of this darkness.

[Scott Hutchinson]

And Donny is the ex-husband of the wife of the choir director at Christ Church in Nashville.

If he accepts homsexuality as a lifestyle ,no telling what he might involved in.:girlnails

[Praxeas]

Over and over the same testimony was heard, “We walked into a service and began to weep because we knew we had found ‘Home’.”
Still nothing about Jesus or learning to be better servants of God....no they found "home"...home for some folks is Islam...for others it's New Ageism...it can be anything when all one is interested in is finding a club to join

[Praxeas]

Look at the picture on this page
http://www.theriveratmusiccity.com/our_pastors.html

[Scott Hutchinson]

God loves people caught in bondage ,but He wants to deliever them from their sin.

[Monkeyman]

And Donny is the ex-husband of the wife of the choir director at Christ Church in Nashville.
Oh no, not that again, he he

BTW, I thinks my eldest brother, "Chic" either dated her or was "close" friends at one time...this was a long time ago, so I would have to verify with him...or her, hahaha

[Scott Hutchinson]

That's a bit too liberal for me.

[CC1]

In other words not enough people paying for their music, so they decided to start a huge church based on modern church building principles

I don't think it is a huge church. I have lived here since 1999 in Nashville and other than seeing an ad for their church when they first started I have never heard anything about it.

Someone told me it is still pretty small, around 100 members, but I don't actually know.

[philjones]

Look at the picture on this page
http://www.theriveratmusiccity.com/our_pastors.html

He appears to be a little limp and she looks like a $5 street walker! JMHO!

[rgcraig]

I don't think it is a huge church. I have lived here since 1999 in Nashville and other than seeing an ad for their church when they first started I have never heard anything about it.

Someone told me it is still pretty small, around 100 members, but I don't actually know.

Well, they won't have growth from the nursery.

[philjones]

Well, they won't have growth from the nursery.

ROFL!!!:preach

[CC1]

Since my choir director and his wife were dragged into this thread I want to clarify something.

Reba Rambo left her first husband (our choir director) and Donny McGuire left his first wife (our choir directors wife the last 25-30 years now).

It was only after their spouses had left them that my choir director and his wife of the last quarter century or more started dating and ended up marrying.

It was not some kind of "wife swap" situation.

[Steve Epley]

I saw her at my pastor's funeral she looked old and worn. She told me they had a church.

[Monkeyman]

Since my choir director and his wife were dragged into this thread I want to clarify something.

Reba Rambo left her first husband (our choir director) and Donny McGuire left his first wife (our choir directors wife the last 25-30 years now).

It was only after their spouses had left them that my choir director and his wife of the last quarter century or more started dating and ended up marrying.

It was not some kind of "wife swap" situation.Good post!

[CC1]

Well, they won't have growth from the nursery.

As Philjones said. LOL!!!!!!

I wonder if the church has not taken off if maybe this is not some desperate attempt to find a congregation.

Very sad. As a young man I loved Reba's singing. She was a pioneer in contemporary gospel music back in the day and really makes me feel old when people like Praxes don't even know who she is.

[Monkeyman]

What's with all the "gay" threads started by the Thadster, sheesh, give it a rest!he he

[Scott Hutchinson]

Say why don't those Rambos just go here to church?
http://pentecostalsofmurfreesboro.com

[CC1]

Say why don't those Rambos just go here to church?
http://pentecostalsofmurfreesboro.com

That church is just five miles from my home and I have visited there. They are packed out at about 300 folks and need to build again even though the present building is not but just a few years old.

Back at NFCF we had a member who goes to this church but I don't know if she is here or not.

[Scott Hutchinson]

CC1 as you can see I've been looking at church sites in TN.
I think this might be in TN. also.
http://calvarypentecostal.net
My bad this Canada.
here check this one.
http://calvarypentecostalchurch.net

[Scott Hutchinson]

Yes the second link is a Nashville,church.

[Scott Hutchinson]

You know there are some Hutchinsons who Pastor in Fairview,TN. I just wonder could I be related to them?
They pastor a church called Emmanuel Prince Of Peace church.

[rrford]

That church is just five miles from my home and I have visited there. They are packed out at about 300 folks and need to build again even though the present building is not but just a few years old.

Back at NFCF we had a member who goes to this church but I don't know if she is here or not.

Great church pastored by one of my best friends. Man is a true leader and empowerer of people.

[CC1]

Great church pastored by one of my best friends. Man is a true leader and empowerer of people.

I remember you giving a great endorsement to him when we were talking one day.

I will go visit there again when they have some special events. I had asked the church member there that was on NFCF to let me know when they were having anything and the two times she let me know I was going to be out of town both times.

My wife and I decided that if next Easter Christ Church does not add another service to accomodate the bazillion people that show up and have to go to overflow rooms (which also filled up) we are going to visit another church on Easter. I would go to this one but getting Mrs. CC1 to visit a UPC church is like getting the Pope to shockamoo.

[rrford]

I remember you giving a great endorsement to him when we were talking one day.

I will go visit there again when they have some special events. I had asked the church member there that was on NFCF to let me know when they were having anything and the two times she let me know I was going to be out of town both times.

My wife and I decided that if next Easter Christ Church does not add another service to accomodate the bazillion people that show up and have to go to overflow rooms (which also filled up) we are going to visit another church on Easter. I would go to this one but getting Mrs. CC1 to visit a UPC church is like getting the Pope to shockamoo.

LOL! I reckon I can understand that. I do imagine she may be rather surprised at the reception she would receive. While they definitley hold the doctrine, I have found them to be some of the warmest and kindest folks in Pentecost.

[Hoovie]

There is a family member of someone that I know that is gay and he has started attending this church. I had just heard last week that it is "gay-confirming" and it just made me sick to my stomach. Donny preached for us several years ago and did a really good job. But I had heard that Reba had recently preached at an openly gay conference, so I'm not surprised by this too much.

Right. I rarely have strong feelings like this story involks in me, but I guess in my mind they are now servants of satan.

[rrford]

Anyone besides me notice that they started this church a few years ago? Also, I never saw a direct reference to it being a gay church at all. Did I miss something?

[Hoovie]

Anyone besides me notice that they started this church a few years ago? Also, I never saw a direct reference to it being a gay church at all. Did I miss something?

I looked for it... but assumed with Sherri's knowledge of a gay person being accepted there it must be true.

[chosenbyone]

I had a co-worker who attended this church where Reba sang at a few times. It's a gay church in Houston. Here's the link.

http://www.communitygospel.org/music/specialmusic.html

[rrford]

I looked for it... but assumed with Sherri's knowledge of a gay person being accepted there it must be true.

Just received a PM that was quite interesting and left me no doubt. :popcorn2

[ThePastorsCoach]

I do love Christ Church and Pastor Hardwick and Pastor Dan Scott. I totally admire their stand for God and Truth for so many years in Nashville!
Also - I love the Gardner's - GREAT PEOPLE!

Here is my home church in the Murfreesboro - Smyrna area - Fresh Vision Church. One of my best friends - Derek Purser - is the Senior Pastor - they are looking for new property to build as they are packed too. Pastor Derek Purser is a powerful preacher of the Word. His father is UPC and he was Carrol McGrudders Assistant Pastor for 5 years in Kennett, MO.
www.FreshVision.org (http://www.freshvision.org)

It is NOT an "affirming" church!

[CC1]

I do love Christ Church and Pastor Hardwick and Pastor Dan Scott. I totally admire their stand for God and Truth for so many years in Nashville!
Also - I love the Gardner's - GREAT PEOPLE!

Here is my home church in the Murfreesboro - Smyrna area - Fresh Vision Church. One of my best friends - Derek Purser - is the Senior Pastor - they are looking for new property to build as they are packed too. Pastor Derek Purser is a powerful preacher of the Word. His father is UPC and he was Carrol McGrudders Assistant Pastor for 5 years in Kennett, MO.
www.FreshVision.org (http://www.freshvision.org)

It is NOT an "affirming" church!

PET PEEVE ALERT!!!!!

Atlanta Bishop,

Call your buddy tomorrow and tell him to update his website!!! The home page is still advertising to RSVP tickets for their Christmas banquet.

Five month old info on the homepage is bad!!!!!

If you know of any special events they are having let me know. I would like to visit.

Do you know if they still baptize in Jesus name?

[LaGirl]

That is so sad. wonder what dottie thinks?

[chosenbyone]

That is so sad. wonder what dottie thinks?

I thought the same thing earlier. It must break her heart.

[MissBrattified]

I do love Christ Church and Pastor Hardwick and Pastor Dan Scott. I totally admire their stand for God and Truth for so many years in Nashville!
Also - I love the Gardner's - GREAT PEOPLE!

Here is my home church in the Murfreesboro - Smyrna area - Fresh Vision Church. One of my best friends - Derek Purser - is the Senior Pastor - they are looking for new property to build as they are packed too. Pastor Derek Purser is a powerful preacher of the Word. His father is UPC and he was Carrol McGrudders Assistant Pastor for 5 years in Kennett, MO.
www.FreshVision.org (http://www.freshvision.org)

It is NOT an "affirming" church!

Hmmm...small world. :coffee2

[ThePastorsCoach]

PET PEEVE ALERT!!!!!

Atlanta Bishop,

Call your buddy tomorrow and tell him to update his website!!! The home page is still advertising to RSVP tickets for their Christmas banquet.

Five month old info on the homepage is bad!!!!!

If you know of any special events they are having let me know. I would like to visit.

Do you know if they still baptize in Jesus name?

I just sent emails to the Pastor and to Wendy & Jeremy that run the website! I was embarrassed to see the old news! He will throw a FIT and He absolutely baptizes in Jesus Name. I do not know ANYONE personally that has left the UPC or "Apostolic" movement that baptizes any other way - and I am serious. I know Pastor Epley probably knows many - but I promise you - I do know know ONE! I have always baptized in Jesus Name - before I ever heard of the UPC and the Oneness movement.

[ThePastorsCoach]

Hmmm...small world. :coffee2

What is that supposed to mean?

[LaGirl]

I thought the same thing earlier. It must break her heart.

I am sure it does.

[Thad]

* * * Announcement * * *



Did you hear that PASTOR REBA has written a book called " following the Yellow Brick Road" ???

AND!!! she tells all about her divorice to Christ' church music director AND Donnie's addiction to drugs ! ! !

[philjones]

* * * Announcement * * *



Did you hear that PASTOR REBA has written a book called " following the Yellow Brick Road" ???

AND!!! she tells all about her divorice to Christ' church music director AND Donnie's addiction to drugs ! ! !

Very old book. I have it. It is actually quite an easy and sometimes inspirational read. She also tells about their ministry in Los Angeles and other parts of CA.

She and Donnie are just evidence of what happens when you use logic to define God when he transcends the human ability to reason. That is why He gave us His Holy Word! Stay in the book and these issues will be non-issues!:2cents

[Rico]

And Donny is the ex-husband of the wife of the choir director at Christ Church in Nashville.


What'd they do, trade?

[Rico]

Look at the picture on this page
http://www.theriveratmusiccity.com/our_pastors.html

She looks like a skank.

[Consapostolic1]

Did Dony use to be in the UPC? Does anyone have any pics of Dottie before she left the UPC?

[Brother Price]

I don't care what anyone says. The slope is real slippery, and the slide is a fast one. They prove it. But, according to some, leaving holiness has no detremental effect on a person.






Yeah...right.

[Steve Epley]

I do love Christ Church and Pastor Hardwick and Pastor Dan Scott. I totally admire their stand for God and Truth for so many years in Nashville!
Also - I love the Gardner's - GREAT PEOPLE!

Here is my home church in the Murfreesboro - Smyrna area - Fresh Vision Church. One of my best friends - Derek Purser - is the Senior Pastor - they are looking for new property to build as they are packed too. Pastor Derek Purser is a powerful preacher of the Word. His father is UPC and he was Carrol McGrudders Assistant Pastor for 5 years in Kennett, MO.
www.FreshVision.org (http://www.freshvision.org)

It is NOT an "affirming" church!

I think originally Hershel Godair was his pastor I met them at a resturant with Elder Godair when he first took the church this is so sad. The Pentecostal most of which are of the liberal stripe feel they have to compete with Christ Church and tend to bend over backwards about standards to do so. I am sure Elder Godair was heartbroken about hese folks when he died.

[Steve Epley]

I just sent emails to the Pastor and to Wendy & Jeremy that run the website! I was embarrassed to see the old news! He will throw a FIT and He absolutely baptizes in Jesus Name. I do not know ANYONE personally that has left the UPC or "Apostolic" movement that baptizes any other way - and I am serious. I know Pastor Epley probably knows many - but I promise you - I do know know ONE! I have always baptized in Jesus Name - before I ever heard of the UPC and the Oneness movement.

I am sure it would not make any difference to the Munseys.

[Old Paths]

It's not leaving the Ac. 2:38 message that causes these things. You should be aware that there are those who are fully Ac. 2:38....speaking in tongues and shockamoo and all and yet embrace the homosexual lifestyle.

I think it's an abomination, but the Ac. 2:38 message has nothing to do with it, leaving Jesus Christ and the immutability of His word does.




MOW

I might have missed it, but there appears to be ZERO about Acts 2:38 on their website??

Wonder why?

[Steve Epley]

MOW

I might have missed it, but there appears to be ZERO about Acts 2:38 on their website??

Wonder why?

Wouldn't want anyone to think they were Oneness folks would they?????

[Hoovie]

I don't care what anyone says. The slope is real slippery, and the slide is a fast one. They prove it. But, according to some, leaving holiness has no detremental effect on a person.






Yeah...right.

LOL! Well, I bet she looks older now then when she was UPC - I'll give you that much! :itsover

[Old Paths]

LOL! Well, I bet she looks older now then when she was UPC - I'll give you that much! :itsover



Time will do that to ya.

:)

[Steve Epley]

LOL! Well, I bet she looks older now then when she was UPC - I'll give you that much! :itsover

Very honestly these folks were never very holiness minded I have known them my whole life. Buck's book is a work of fiction or his mind is slipping.Now they were not like they are now but they were never strong holiness folks. I know the whole Rambo clan and the Luttrel clan.

[Michael The Disciple]

MOW

I might have missed it, but there appears to be ZERO about Acts 2:38 on their website??

Wonder why?

They mention baptism in water. Also baptism in the Spirit. Whats very telling to me is in their statement of faith TITHING comes BEFORE Holy Spirit baptism.

[Old Paths]

They mention baptism in water. Also baptism in the Spirit. Whats very telling to me is in their statement of faith TITHING comes BEFORE Holy Spirit baptism.

Yes they did MENTION water baptism...

Were able to get Matt. 28:19 in, but somehow forgot/overlooked/refused Acts 2:38

a. Baptism in Water:
The ordinance of baptism by immersion is commanded in the Scriptures. All who repent and receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord are to be baptized. Thus they declare to the world that they have died with Christ and that they also have been raised with Christ to walk in newness of life (Matt. 28:19; Mk. 16:16; Acts 10:47-48; Rom. 6:4).

http://www.theriveratmusiccity.com/tenets_faith.htm

[Michael The Disciple]

I don't care what anyone says. The slope is real slippery, and the slide is a fast one. They prove it. But, according to some, leaving holiness has no detremental effect on a person.






Yeah...right.

Who has said that leaving holiness has no effect? Without holiness no man will see the Lord. Doom, destruction await any and all who will not walk in it.

[Steve Epley]

Yes they did MENTION water baptism...

Were able to get Matt. 28:19 in, but somehow forgot/overlooked/refused Acts 2:38

a. Baptism in Water:
The ordinance of baptism by immersion is commanded in the Scriptures. All who repent and receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord are to be baptized. Thus they declare to the world that they have died with Christ and that they also have been raised with Christ to walk in newness of life (Matt. 28:19; Mk. 16:16; Acts 10:47-48; Rom. 6:4).

http://www.theriveratmusiccity.com/tenets_faith.htm

I would say if the money was right they would baptize in the name of Tom Dooley.

[MrsMcD]

I would say if the money was right they would baptize in the name of Tom Dooley.

:ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny

[Coonskinner]

I would say if the money was right they would baptize in the name of Tom Dooley.

You are probably right.

[Michael The Disciple]

No mention of baptism into Jesus name? Thats because they believe he is the ETERNAL SON. Right in their faith statement. They are not a Oneness group.

[Jack Shephard]

You know what I am not totally in agreement with what is going on with this. You know what we do not know the real motives of these people we only can judge them by their actions and unfortunately the oneness penetecostals are very judgemental. We are not above making mistakes. Only God knows

[Esther]

I didn't realize they had children. For some reason I thought they didn't. But it seems they are also grandparents.

[Chan]

Did you hear that Reba Rambo is now called "PASTOR" Reba ?????
OMG OMG
The name of her and her husband's church is called "The River at music City " in Nashville .

NEWS!!!
they are openly accepting of the homosexual lifestyle! and even have openly gay ministry on staff !!!!



IS this where leaving the truth leads ?????If "OMG OMG" is supposed to be lazy-person's Internet abbreviation for "Oh my God" then you are taking the Lord's name in vain.

Who is Reba Rambo? Is she any relation to Dottie?

[CC1]

Who has said that leaving holiness has no effect? Without holiness no man will see the Lord. Doom, destruction await any and all who will not walk in it.

Nothing like confusing "standards" and a legislated dress code with "holiness".

Sorry this dog won't hunt.

For every person who left what you erroneously call "holiness" then went wacko like accepting homosexuality I can show you "holiness" folks who have committed adultery, homosexuality, stolen,lied, cheated, etc.

Being deluded is not related to ones "holiness" standard. I have seen wonderful "holiness" folks and ones who lived like the devil minutes after shouting their hair down.

[CC1]

Chan,

Reba is Buck and Dotties daughter.

For whoever asked about the UPC connection Buck and Dottie left the UPC when Reba was just a girl so she was not raised UPC.

She also was never pretty. She has a very distinctive look but pretty, no! Can't blame a lack of standards for her looks (LOL).

Dottie was always much prettier than her daughter. I ran into Dottie at a Shoney's back when I was in Bible College around 1978 and she was in her prime. She looked very good.

[philjones]

Chan,

Reba is Buck and Dotties daughter.

For whoever asked about the UPC connection Buck and Dottie left the UPC when Dottie was just a girl so she was not raised UPC.

She also was never pretty. She has a very distinctive look but pretty, no! Can't blame a lack of standards for her looks (LOL).

Dottie was always much prettier than her daughter. I ran into Dottie at a Shoney's back when I was in Bible College around 1978 and she was in her prime. She looked very good.


Major error here CC1 .. Buck and Dottie were licensed by and preached in (may have even pastored) UPC churches!

[Steve Epley]

Chan,

Reba is Buck and Dotties daughter.

For whoever asked about the UPC connection Buck and Dottie left the UPC when Dottie was just a girl so she was not raised UPC.

She also was never pretty. She has a very distinctive look but pretty, no! Can't blame a lack of standards for her looks (LOL).

Dottie was always much prettier than her daughter. I ran into Dottie at a Shoney's back when I was in Bible College around 1978 and she was in her prime. She looked very good.

BUck was raised in a church that was neverdie and did not believe in water baptism period. Dottie was girl evangelist that is how her and Buck met. After they were married my pastor baptized them both and most of Buck's family. Our church was not a UPC church. However after they started traveling they joined the UPC. The UPC in Kentucky was not very strong back then or for that matter is not very strong now.

[South of I 90]

Since my choir director and his wife were dragged into this thread I want to clarify something.

Reba Rambo left her first husband (our choir director) and Donny McGuire left his first wife (our choir directors wife the last 25-30 years now).

It was only after their spouses had left them that my choir director and his wife of the last quarter century or more started dating and ended up marrying.

It was not some kind of "wife swap" situation.

CC1, I'm very aware of the all the drama and the victimization of your choir director and his wife from their previous spouses' escapades.

The post was intended as an humurous attempt that there was a connection between these individuals.

As you very well know in apostolic circles, if we were to trace who married who and who their 2nd cousin used to be married to, etc. everybody on this forum is probably related to each other.

I guess thats why we're all disfunctional "inbreds". :2cents

[CC1]

CC1, I'm very aware of the all the drama and the victimization of your choir director and his wife from their previous spouses' escapades.

The post was intended as an humurous attempt that there was a connection between these individuals.

As you very well know in apostolic circles, if we were to trace who married who and who their 2nd cousin used to be married to, etc. everybody on this forum is probably related to each other.

I guess thats why we're all disfunctional "inbreds". :2cents

No problem. What happened is factual and history. I just want to make clear the chronology as when it is compressed to the barest of facts it sounds like some kind of wife swap mess and that was not the case.

Many folks on here do not know the parties involved and have to simply make judgements based on what they read here so I wanted to make sure they knew a little more.

It can be argued that my choir director and his wife found each other while on the rebound and heartbroken from their spouses betrayal but for a "rebound romance" it has worked out pretty well for the last 25+ years!

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

As you very well know in apostolic circles, if we were to trace who married who and who their 2nd cousin used to be married to, etc. everybody on this forum is probably related to each other.


Only disadvantage to blood relatives is no means of a transfusion.

[South of I 90]

I am sure it would not make any difference to the Munseys.

Bro Ep, you might find this interesting.

Steve Munseys church orders Search For Truth material from PPH by the palettes.

[Praxeas]

Since my choir director and his wife were dragged into this thread I want to clarify something.

Reba Rambo left her first husband (our choir director) and Donny McGuire left his first wife (our choir directors wife the last 25-30 years now).

It was only after their spouses had left them that my choir director and his wife of the last quarter century or more started dating and ended up marrying.

It was not some kind of "wife swap" situation.

Gasp! CC1! That thought NEVER entered my mind...until now. :telephone

[CC1]

Bro Ep, you might find this interesting.

Steve Munseys church orders Search For Truth material from PPH by the palettes.

That is shocking.

[Praxeas]

Chan,

Reba is Buck and Dotties daughter.

For whoever asked about the UPC connection Buck and Dottie left the UPC when Reba was just a girl so she was not raised UPC.

She also was never pretty. She has a very distinctive look but pretty, no! Can't blame a lack of standards for her looks (LOL).

Dottie was always much prettier than her daughter. I ran into Dottie at a Shoney's back when I was in Bible College around 1978 and she was in her prime. She looked very good.

Wow....was this like Jerry Lee Lewis marrying his 14 year old cousin?

[rgcraig]

Wow....was this like Jerry Lee Lewis marrying his 14 year old cousin?

Lol...I corrected it to Reba for CC1.

[CC1]

Wow....was this like Jerry Lee Lewis marrying his 14 year old cousin?


LOL!!!! Well, it was Kentucky you know.

[LadyCoonskinner]

LOL!!!! Well, it was Kentucky you know.

Watch it bud!!!@!!!!!!!

[SoCaliUPC]

This is where leaving the principles of Christ lead to...that crowd she hangs out with...the TBN crowd...I never hear them preach against sin or a need for repentance. It's always an ego centric message about what God can do for you, like He is indebted to us

Prax...seriously, I do not think she hangs out with the "TBN" crowd. How many times have you seen her on TBN? Once? It has nothing to do with being around TBN people. It has nothing to do with leaving a UPC church. It has EVERYTHING to do with leaving Christ-centered principles and accepting an abomination as right.

[LadyCoonskinner]

Prax...seriously, I do not think she hangs out with the "TBN" crowd. How many times have you seen her on TBN? Once? It has nothing to do with being around TBN people. It has nothing to do with leaving a UPC church. It has EVERYTHING to do with leaving Christ-centered principles and accepting an abomination as right.

Preach it SoCali!!!!

She left TRUTH so she lost a lot of stuff!!!

[tyhuff]

FYI: Dottie was a grown married woman when she left the UPC.

[rgcraig]

FYI: Dottie was a grown married woman when she left the UPC.

Yes, CC1 first put her name instead of Reba - I corrected his post.

[SoCaliUPC]

He appears to be a little limp and she looks like a $5 street walker! JMHO!


So much for bashing preachers on this forum!



:hypercoffee :lol

[Thad]

You know what I am not totally in agreement with what is going on with this. You know what we do not know the real motives of these people we only can judge them by their actions and unfortunately the oneness penetecostals are very judgemental. We are not above making mistakes. Only God knows


JUdgmental? It's a known fact in the nashville area that they have a OPEN Lesbian on their church staff . So you are in agreement with that and in disagreement with us /???
This open Lesbian was from I famous gospel singing family I believe and I forget the name right now. she was very public about it.
There is more too but that's all im going to say.

Terri, can you chime in on this please ?

how are you BTW ? been thinking about you all

[CC1]

FYI: Dottie was a grown married woman when she left the UPC.

Yup, as rgcraig said I made a typo. I meant to type Reba and put Dottie instead.

Who can forget those famous album covers where Dottie had her hair half up and half down so she could try and please the various factions of old time Oneness Pentecost?

She wanted to book churches where they preached women had to wear it up and churches that preached a woman had to wear it down!!!

[chseeads]

http://www.dottierambo.net/coppermine/albums/wpw-20041213/normal_dottiecomespringfc.jpg

[COOPER]

It's not leaving the Ac. 2:38 message that causes these things. You should be aware that there are those who are fully Ac. 2:38....speaking in tongues and shockamoo and all and yet embrace the homosexual lifestyle.

I think it's an abomination, but the Ac. 2:38 message has nothing to do with it, leaving Jesus Christ and the immutability of His word does.

The pendulum of extremes swings both ways .

But then I think the Pendulum broke off in the case.

Just the though of the Homo-sexual live style is sickening.

[seguidordejesus]

http://www.dottierambo.net/coppermine/albums/wpw-20041213/normal_dottiecomespringfc.jpg

But then there's that pesky ring!

[chseeads]

Well, as Bro. Epley said, they were always weak on holiness. :D

[Steve Epley]

Bro Ep, you might find this interesting.

Steve Munseys church orders Search For Truth material from PPH by the palettes.

Then I am glad.

[chaotic_resolve]

MOW
I might have missed it, but there appears to be ZERO about Acts 2:38 on their website?? Wonder why?

Wouldn't want anyone to think they were Oneness folks would they?????
I don't believe Acts 2:38 is a oneness scripture per se.

You know what I am not totally in agreement with what is going on with this. You know what we do not know the real motives of these people we only can judge them by their actions and unfortunately the oneness penetecostals are very judgemental. We are not above making mistakes. Only God knows
In this case, JT, I'd have to add to the disgust of a ministry that doesn't just allow homosexuals, but puts them on staff. Sin is sin, regardless of the motives. I know you and I have our thoughts concerning a certain minister and church, including his motives and actions.

[Trouvere]

But then there's that pesky ring!

Is that hair for real? wow

[chaotic_resolve]

Steve Munseys church orders Search For Truth material from PPH by the palettes.

Yah, they have an old wood-burning boiler and needed fodder to get the fire started!

:jaw









:couch

[Steve Epley]

Well, as Bro. Epley said, they were always weak on holiness. :D

True Dottie always did cut her hair and with except of a short period of time they always had a television then during that short time was only to get license with the UPC. Look I am not bashing these folks Buck's brother was my SS teacher, Reba cousins were my friends and I have nothing but fond memories of Buck-Dottie-Reba. Reba and myself are close to the same age they left and went traveling when I was very young however I saw them from time to time. Dottie and Buck were friends of my father and still are today.

[Rico]

If "OMG OMG" is supposed to be lazy-person's Internet abbreviation for "Oh my God" then you are taking the Lord's name in vain.

Who is Reba Rambo? Is she any relation to Dottie?



hogwash!

[Esther]

Is that hair for real? wow

That was back in the days of rats, oatmeal boxes, etc. :)

[Scott Hutchinson]

http://www.dottierambo.net/coppermine/albums/wpw-20041213/normal_dottiecomespringfc.jpg




I have a copy of that Album ,and Bro.Buck is wearing cuff links on that cover.

[Chan]

hogwash!Consider the following:


Taking the Name of God in Vain
By. Dr. C. Matthew McMahon

The third commandment is often the most memorable because we often hear people using the name of God in vain. We are reminded of the third commandment especially if we work in a secular environment, or we have relatives who show forth their rebellious nature without qualms in the language they use. But in looking closely at the third commandment we will find more than we bargained for. We as Christians break the third commandment more often than any pagan who may be screaming "God D_____t" or "Jesus Christ!"


What does the third commandment say? "Thou shalt not use the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who uses His name in vain." What does this commandment principally teach? The third commandment forbids all profaning and abusing of anything whereby God makes Himself known. (Malachi 1:6-8; Lev. 20:3; 19:12; Matthew 5:34-37; Isa. 52:5.) It is not simply a matter of cursing or using the name God or Jesus vainly in that way. It is true that God's name is not to be used in that manner. We are not to say "God bless you" frivolously when someone sneezes, or say "Oh my God" when we are excited or ecstatic. Truly, we use His name in vain when we say those kinds of things. But the use of God's name is hardly restricted just to language. The commandment shows us how to worship God aright, as God designs the first four commandments in this way. The third commandment is rightly divided into two parts. The first part is the explicit command that we should not take His name in vain. That is obvious. The second part of the command is not so obvious. It is the practical implications of the right use of His name, namely, that we should honor and revere His name every time we use it.


What is this commandment primarily directed against? The commandment is primarily directed against the heart and the tongue. The heart is where a man's actions come forth from. If our heart is irreverent towards God, then we will use His name in vain, or in an ignoble fashion. Remember, the heart controls the tongue. This commandment is a bridle for our tongues. It is the bit where God turns us onto His right path. The commandment is setting up a right attitude for the heart, and then consequently a right use for the tongue. So be warned, we are forbidden to use God's name in any other way but in the right way.


What does it mean to use God's name in vain? Simply, this means to misuse God's name in any fashion. It is not just directed against cursing, though that is one way in which His name is dishonored by people and is used in vain. What are some ways people take God's name in vain? There are many, but let us look at just a few.


The first way is when we profess God's name but do not live answerably to it. It means we live hypocritically. Thomas Watson said, "pretended holiness is merely double wickedness." Whenever we do not live up to the call of the Christian life, we take God's name in vain. We are mirrors that should reflect the perfection of God. If the mirror claims to be Christ's and reflects tendencies of hell, then we use the name of Christ in vain, and people see that.


Secondly, when we use God's name in idle discourse we are vainly using His name; like telling a joke with God or Jesus in it. God is to be revered by us, not spoken of in a light and jesting manner. When we speak lightly of God we use His name in vain because God is not to be taken lightly by anyone.


Thirdly, when we worship with our lips and not our hearts we take His name in vain. We say we follow Him, and then worship Him in the secret place of our heart as the hypocrite. How many Sunday mornings have you come to church, worshipped, and then left the same as you entered? In doing this you take His name lightly, and use it in vain. God is a God of promises. When you are not changed by the hearing of the Word, or the worship given with the saints, you mock God and all His promises to the church. You take His name in vain.


Fourthly, when we pray to Him but do not believe Him we use His name in vain. How many prayers have you prayed in doubt? God promises to make good on all those prayers prayed in His will. Do you doubt His will? Do you doubt His promises? Do you doubt when you pray? If you do, you use His name in vain. This is not positive confession or the power of positive thinking. Rather, when you pray and doubt, God says you are like a double-minded man unstable in all his ways. You are like one who forgets his face after looking in a mirror just a second before. What God is saying is that when you pray and doubt, you are forgetting the God you are praying to, and thus, you take His name in vain.


Fifthly, when we, in any way, profane or abuse His Word, we are using God's name in vain. Every theological error, misquoted Scripture, every jot and tittle not remembered in the right way is using God's name in vain. God's name is tightly bound to His Word. When we have bad theology we use His name in vain. When we misquote the Bible when a friend asks us to cite a verse or two, we use His name in vain. Imagine how many times we are theologically incorrect! Imagine how many times we have misquoted His perfect and precious Word! Imagine how many times, in this way alone, we have used His name in vain!


Sixthly, when we swear by God's name falsely, we use it in vain. Whenever we make a promise and do not keep it, we are lying as a Christian and making a mockery of God's name. When we make an oath to God and do not keep it we use His name in vain. When we make an oath to covenant with the body of believers, and then leave the church over some non-essential doctrine or ill-feeling, we are taking the Lord's name in vain. Jesus even warned us in Matthew 5:33ff not to make false oaths in God's name. The Pharisees tried to swear by other names-heaven, the earth, the city of Jerusalem, or by their own heads- so they would not directly swear by God's name. They thought that by substituting one of these other "important" phrases that it would allow them to make oaths, and have a way of escape just in case they did not keep the oath because they did not formally swear by God's name. Jesus sets them straight; heaven is God's throne, the earth is God's footstool, the city of Jerusalem is the city of the great King, and your own head is God's. So there is no substitution. It all belongs to God and subsequently should not be used in a false oath. Making a promise and not keeping it can bring dire consequences when dealing with God. He commands that we do everything that comes out of our mouths when we make an oath. So when we make an oath to each other or to God and do not live up to it, we are using God's name in vain because we are Christians who are to be honest always.


CONTINUED IN NEXT POST

[Chan]

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Seventhly, when we set God's name next to any wicked action we use His name in vain. An example of this would be when we baptize a wicked person, or baptize someone in the wrong way. The wicked and heathen have no right to be baptized, only the saved are to be. And Matthew 28:19ff tells us we are to baptize people in the name of the "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." We use their names in vain when we baptize those who ought not to be sealed with their name.


Eighthly, when we use our tongues in a way that dishonors God’s name we use His name in vain. This is when we curse and swear. It is when we say "O my God" or any such time when the Lord's name is used in an irreverent way. Even when we are in prayer or praise to God and we continually repeat the name "Jesus" or "Father" irreverently through vain repetition, we use God's name in vain. It is a sacred name and should be held in high esteem no matter when we invoke it. For invoking the name of God is a weighty matter and should not be taken lightly.


Ninthly, when we make rash vows we use God's name in vain; like Jephthah's vow in Judges 11:31. Jephthah rashly vowed to the Lord that if he came back victorious from the battle, he would sacrifice the first thing which came running out of his house; pig, cow, horse, whatever. When he returned from the battle victorious, his daughter ran out of the house to greet him, and he had to sacrifice her to keep his vow and so he did. Such a terrible evil twice over! Let us not make rash vows to God.


Tenthly, when we speak evil of God in a circumstance He is bringing us through we use His name in vain. How often do you grumble and complain against God? Do you find His ways hard? Is the path that He is leading you down weary to your feet? Do you want to hop over the fence into the plush meadow to comfort your aching bones? Do you gripe at the perfect, concise, eternal, unchangeable plan of God? If you do or if you have, then you have used God's name in vain. God has the perfect plan laid out for you. When adverse circumstances come by you should praise Him as Job did, "The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord." (Job 1:21b) Do not grumble or gripe like Job's wife who said "Curse God and die," but be humble before Him knowing that everything He does for you is for your good. When we grumble against God in hard circumstances we give a bad witness and consequently use His name in vain.


Lastly, when we falsify a promise as if we were to do a thing if God does something for us, then we use His name in vain. When we barter with God to get something we act irreverently before Him and use His name in a way that does not glorify him. We say, "Oh God, if you would just take this or that away then I will never do such and such again." But this is using His name in vain. We are not to barter with Him but accept His will as it stands.


This is a very short list of ways which we may use His name in vain. We are to be lights in the world bringing forth His name in purity and truth. We must not grumble, but be content. We must not vow rashly, but let our "yes be yes and our no be no." We must reverently invoke God's name in worship and prayer with an attitude of fear and trembling for it is a privilege to even have His name marked upon us. We are to take heed in our beliefs, so that we do not misrepresent Him and His name in our theology. There is much involved in keeping the third commandment and in keeping His name holy. For God says "I will not hold him guiltless who takes My name in vain." How guilty are we?


Think about how many times in the past week you broke the third commandment? Christians do not go a day without breaking it in some fashion. This causes us to mourn our sinful condition. All our sin is not yet mortified. This causes us sorrow and rushes us to the the cross since we sin this way against our Lord and Christ. But we thank God for Christ. Thanks be to Christ who lived a perfect life! Thanks be to Christ who fulfilled the Law perfectly for His people and imputed to His people His righteous deeds which they did not deserve. Without His sacrifice we would be doomed to hell for just the sin of breaking the third commandment over and over.


Ponder upon the holiness and purity of Christ. He kept ALL the commandments perfectly. Every time He worshipped, He did it with His heart. Every promise He made He kept. Every time He invoked God's name He used it with reverence and dignity. Never once did he break the third commandment. So let our eyes be open to see what the third commandment requires of us, and pray that the Lord would aid us to keep His name holy every day, and never use it in vain again.

SOURCE (http://www.apuritansmind.com/Tracts%20and%20Writings/NameOfGodInVain.htm)

[Praxeas]

Prax...seriously, I do not think she hangs out with the "TBN" crowd. How many times have you seen her on TBN? Once? It has nothing to do with being around TBN people. It has nothing to do with leaving a UPC church. It has EVERYTHING to do with leaving Christ-centered principles and accepting an abomination as right.
I never said it has to do with leaving the UPC and infact I DID say it had to do with exactly what you said. Please re-read what I was saying. Also I was thinking of Dottie not Reba.

BTW I hear you met a brother from my church last week :-)

[Praxeas]

Preach it SoCali!!!!

She left TRUTH so she lost a lot of stuff!!!
That's exactly what I had already said

This is where leaving the principles of Christ lead to...that crowd she hangs out with...the TBN crowd...I never hear them preach against sin or a need for repentance. It's always an ego centric message about what God can do for you, like He is indebted to us

Whether or not they were ever on TBN is irrelevant

[Praxeas]

hogwash!
What is?
http://www.greenwichworkshop.com/images/gallery/images/Prints/Bullas/1999hogwash2.jpg

[rgcraig]

What is?
http://www.greenwichworkshop.com/images/gallery/images/Prints/Bullas/1999hogwash2.jpg

OH I LOVE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!

New Hogwash Award!!!!!

[Barb]

I have a copy of that Album ,and Bro.Buck is wearing cuff links on that cover.

That was a great LP...

[HeavenlyOne]

* * * Announcement * * *



Did you hear that PASTOR REBA has written a book called " following the Yellow Brick Road" ???

AND!!! she tells all about her divorice to Christ' church music director AND Donnie's addiction to drugs ! ! !

This is no newsflash when it's on her website! LOL!

[Scott Hutchinson]

Yes but I don't own a turn table but yes that's great album ,they don't make music like that anymore.

[Barb]

BUck was raised in a church that was neverdie and did not believe in water baptism period. Dottie was girl evangelist that is how her and Buck met. After they were married my pastor baptized them both and most of Buck's family. Our church was not a UPC church. However after they started traveling they joined the UPC. The UPC in Kentucky was not very strong back then or for that matter is not very strong now.

That IS news, Elder...is that the same church once pastored by Bro. Jimmy Russell ?!

[rgcraig]

This is no newsflash when it's on her website! LOL!

It is if Thad just found out - - :preach

[tyhuff]

That is shocking.

Steve Munsey actually owns the "search for truth "study.

[HeavenlyOne]

It is if Thad just found out - - :preach

I'm sure he hates being the last to find out info!

[Rico]

What is?
http://www.greenwichworkshop.com/images/gallery/images/Prints/Bullas/1999hogwash2.jpg

That's a good one. I was going to use that one the other day, but I knew everyone was used the one I have been using all along.

[mfblume]

But then there's that pesky ring!

And that idolatrous hair style! Those days of stuffing the hair to gloat of how long it is was so pharisaical. <shudder>

[CC1]

I have seen a "Best of the Rambos" CD in Christian bookstores before and looked at the song list. It had many of Dotties classics. I am going to have to buy it.

Her style music wasn't my favorite as I liked contemporary gospel music but the older I get the more I appreciate it. She was a great songwriter.

[Barb]

I have seen a "Best of the Rambos" CD in Christian bookstores before and looked at the song list. It had many of Dotties classics. I am going to have to buy it.

Her style music wasn't my favorite as I liked contemporary gospel music but the older I get the more I appreciate it. She was a great songwriter.

Absolutely...I have the 'Best of' on LP and it is great...

[Sam]

Major error here CC1 .. Buck and Dottie were licensed by and preached in (may have even pastored) UPC churches!

If I remember correctly, in his book about them, Buck said he was licensed with the UPC but Dottie was not. It's been some time since I read this so I could be wrong. I don't remember how long ago that book was written. Buck and Dottie were still together and I think Dony and Reba had two children. Dony had been delivered from drugs and was clean.

[Sam]

BUck was raised in a church that was neverdie and did not believe in water baptism period. Dottie was girl evangelist that is how her and Buck met. After they were married my pastor baptized them both and most of Buck's family. Our church was not a UPC church. However after they started traveling they joined the UPC. The UPC in Kentucky was not very strong back then or for that matter is not very strong now.

Bro. Epley,
If I remember correctly, wasn't your pastor Bro. Jimmy Russell? Or did you just know him from back in KY? I read the book about him called The Coal Miner Preacher. He visited our our (ALJC) church once many years ago with his choir. I guess Bro. Sizemore knew him from KY. I had the impression (could be wrong) that he believed in salvation at repentance/faith but it should be followed up with baptism in Jesus' name and the HGB (Holy Ghost baptism). I also thought he was independent (I was wrong on this so I may be wrong on the one-step thing too) but in his biography he is identified as UPC. I'm not saying anything bad about him. I've just wondered about the one-step thing. Maybe he was one of those one-steppers that preached Acts 2:38 so strongly that folks didn't know they were one-steppers.

[Barb]

Bro. Epley,
If I remember correctly, wasn't your pastor Bro. Jimmy Russell? Or did you just know him from back in KY? I read the book about him called The Coal Miner Preacher. He visited our our (ALJC) church once many years ago with his choir. I guess Bro. Sizemore knew him from KY. I had the impression (could be wrong) that he believed in salvation at repentance/faith but it should be followed up with baptism in Jesus' name and the HGB (Holy Ghost baptism). I also thought he was independent (I was wrong on this so I may be wrong on the one-step thing too) but in his biography he is identified as UPC. I'm not saying anything bad about him. I've just wondered about the one-step thing. Maybe he was one of those one-steppers that preached Acts 2:38 so strongly that folks didn't know they were one-steppers.
I asked the same question re his pastor being Bro. Russell. My godbrother is Reg Nevitt formally from the Madisonville church...his parents still go there.

It will be interesting for me to get his take on your post...this is MOST enlightening.

[CC1]

Major error here CC1 .. Buck and Dottie were licensed by and preached in (may have even pastored) UPC churches!

The only error was that my brain was thinking Reba and my hands typed Dottie!!

Obviously Buck and Dottie didn't leave the UPC when Dottie was a little girl! It was Buck and Dottie left the UPC when Reba was a little girl.

[Steve Epley]

That IS news, Elder...is that the same church once pastored by Bro. Jimmy Russell ?!

Yes.

[Steve Epley]

Bro. Epley,
If I remember correctly, wasn't your pastor Bro. Jimmy Russell? Or did you just know him from back in KY? I read the book about him called The Coal Miner Preacher. He visited our our (ALJC) church once many years ago with his choir. I guess Bro. Sizemore knew him from KY. I had the impression (could be wrong) that he believed in salvation at repentance/faith but it should be followed up with baptism in Jesus' name and the HGB (Holy Ghost baptism). I also thought he was independent (I was wrong on this so I may be wrong on the one-step thing too) but in his biography he is identified as UPC. I'm not saying anything bad about him. I've just wondered about the one-step thing. Maybe he was one of those one-steppers that preached Acts 2:38 so strongly that folks didn't know they were one-steppers.

Bro. Russell did believe you was saved at repentance but I NEVER heard him preach that. He preached Acts 2:38 so strong everyone thought he believed Acts 2:38 or Hell. His personal view was only the born again(Acts 2:38) of the church go into the kingdom or millenial reign they rest go into the judgment and are judged by what they knew. I talked with him about this many times I NEVER did believe this. He was independent when I was growing up but later joined the UPC. Bro. Sizemore's family were friends of Bro. Russell for years. His uncle went to our church most of the time I was growing up.

[Steve Epley]

I asked the same question re his pastor being Bro. Russell. My godbrother is Reg Nevitt formally from the Madisonville church...his parents still go there.

It will be interesting for me to get his take on your post...this is MOST enlightening.

When I was growing up Leroy went to the UPC church on North and Wells.

[Sam]

Bro. Russell did believe you was saved at repentance but I NEVER heard him preach that. He preached Acts 2:38 so strong everyone thought he believed Acts 2:38 or Hell. His personal view was only the born again(Acts 2:38) of the church go into the kingdom or millenial reign they rest go into the judgment and are judged by what they knew. I talked with him about this many times I NEVER did believe this. He was independent when I was growing up but later joined the UPC. Bro. Sizemore's family were friends of Bro. Russell for years. His uncle went to our church most of the time I was growing up.

Thank you for the information, Elder.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Elder Epley ,if I'm not mistaken you and Bro.A.Broadley went to the same church?

[Steve Epley]

Elder Epley ,if I'm not mistaken you and Bro.A.Broadley went to the same church?

He is younger than I but yes he and his mother. I saw him at a funeral last month.

[Steve Epley]

If I remember correctly, in his book about them, Buck said he was licensed with the UPC but Dottie was not. It's been some time since I read this so I could be wrong. I don't remember how long ago that book was written. Buck and Dottie were still together and I think Dony and Reba had two children. Dony had been delivered from drugs and was clean.

Both were licensed.

[Scott Hutchinson]

He is younger than I but yes he and his mother. I saw him at a funeral last month.

You know he is back in KY. pastoring.

[Steve Epley]

You know he is back in KY. pastoring.

Yes he told me.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Yes he told me.

The last time ,I spoke to him , he spoke highly of you.

[Steve Epley]

The last time ,I spoke to him , he spoke highly of you.

I have known him all his life we have ran in different circles his mother was a fine lady.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Yes I think BRO.B has been ALJC for a long while.

[Sam]

Speaking of Bro. Jimmy Russell,

This is from pages 46-49 of the book,The Coal Miner preacher.
It is an autobiography of Bro. Jimmy Russell

on Sunday afternoon we
had an hour program on WFMW that was called “The
Beams of Light.” We featured our choirs and other
singers. We ministered on the radio for about eight years.
One day as I was driving to Princeton for one of the
broadcasts I came to Ward’s Creek. Just as I crossed this
creek, I looked down at the water and the big tree leaning
out over the creek, the Lord spoke to my heart, “Tell them
on the radio that by faith you are coming to Ward’s Creek
for a baptizing under that leaning tree after the broadcast.”
I did not know of a soul to be baptized. Twice during
my radio message I told the listeners about the faith baptismal
service.
After the broadcast I got in my car and drove toward
the creek. There was a long hill that went down toward
the creek. When I crested the hill, I saw cars parked on
both sides of the road, and cars were parked out in the
field. I think some of them wanted to watch me make a
fool of myself when no one showed up to be baptized.
I parked near the top of the hill and walked down to
the creek. I was careful to go where the tree leaned over
the water as I felt the Spirit had directed me. I opened my
Bible and preached for nearly an hour, unaware that the
creek was filling up with folks behind me. They had
waded out ready for baptism.
I pitched my Bible to Brother Floyd Jackson and
counted sixteen people waiting to be baptized in Jesus’
name. I waded out into waist-deep water and baptized
them. What an enjoyable experience! It was a very special,
God-ordained baptismal service. I never once
entertained the thought that God would let me down.
When my wife heard the broadcast at home, she
remarked, “I’m not worried. Someone will get baptized.”
My friend, Richard Sisk, heard my faith baptismal announcement
and told his wife, “I’m going over there to
see if anyone comes to it.” He had not been baptized in
Jesus’ name and had wrestled with the issue. On the way,
he told the Lord that if Brother Russell mentioned water
to him, he’d take that as a confirmation and get baptized.
He chose an obvious word and made it easy! All he
needed at that time was a nudge.
As I climbed up on the bank, Brother Sisk was standing
nearby. I reached up and shook his pant leg and said,
“Brother Sisk, the water’s wet.”
It stunned him. I had used his special word! He
quickly ran to his car and took off for Madisonville as fast
as the law would allow.
I stayed at the creek, feeling that Brother Sisk would
be back. I walked up the hill where my car was parked
and sat down in the front seat with my feet out on the
ground. I was still basking in the enjoyment of the
unusual baptismal service. I sat there for quite awhile.
Several cars turned off the road, and Brother Sisk’s
car was in front of them. He’d gone home to get a change
of clothes. It gave me a lot of pleasure to baptize my
friend in Jesus’ name just as the believers did all through
the Book of Acts. Three thousand people were baptized
on the Day of Pentecost. My tally for the day seemed
small by comparison, but it was growing. The night I was
baptized, ninety-six were baptized.
After Brother Sisk was baptized, a fellow kept hanging
around. He started ranting about how wrong it was to use
Jesus’ name in baptism. Evidently, like Brother Sisk, the
man had been in a tug-o-war frame of mind over Jesus
Name baptism and chose to verbally oppose me. He got
all worked up into a high pitch.
As he stepped on some moss-covered rocks at one shallow
part of the creek, intending to cross to the other side, he
fell, and a sharp rock punctured his arm. He held his arm,
and his face contorted in pain. A big knot formed on the arm.
I asked him, “What were you saying about Jesus’
Name baptism awhile ago?”
He admitted, “I don’t know if I believe it or not.”
I told him, “Follow me into the creek, and I’ll baptize
that knot away.”
He became childlike. “Do you believe that God would
heal me if you baptize me?”
“Yes, sir, I sure do,” I said. I led him into the water,
baptized him, watched him stand there and clap his
hands. The knot was gone, and God had won the
tug-o-war battle.
When the faith baptismal service was over, twenty-two
people had been baptized. As I drove home, a contented
sigh escaped my lips. “Isn’t God good?” What a pleasant
way to spend an afternoon—preaching and baptizing!
There were thirty-five people in the Princeton church
when I began pastoring. God added to the church in the
twenty months I was there, and there were 135 in attendance
when I left.

[Sam]

an old picture of Dottie and Buck Rambo with Bro. Jimmy Russell

[Scott Hutchinson]

Speaking of Bro. Jimmy Russell,

This is from pages 46-49 of the book,The Coal Miner preacher.
It is an autobiography of Bro. Jimmy Russell

on Sunday afternoon we
had an hour program on WFMW that was called “The
Beams of Light.” We featured our choirs and other
singers. We ministered on the radio for about eight years.
One day as I was driving to Princeton for one of the
broadcasts I came to Ward’s Creek. Just as I crossed this
creek, I looked down at the water and the big tree leaning
out over the creek, the Lord spoke to my heart, “Tell them
on the radio that by faith you are coming to Ward’s Creek
for a baptizing under that leaning tree after the broadcast.”
I did not know of a soul to be baptized. Twice during
my radio message I told the listeners about the faith baptismal
service.
After the broadcast I got in my car and drove toward
the creek. There was a long hill that went down toward
the creek. When I crested the hill, I saw cars parked on
both sides of the road, and cars were parked out in the
field. I think some of them wanted to watch me make a
fool of myself when no one showed up to be baptized.
I parked near the top of the hill and walked down to
the creek. I was careful to go where the tree leaned over
the water as I felt the Spirit had directed me. I opened my
Bible and preached for nearly an hour, unaware that the
creek was filling up with folks behind me. They had
waded out ready for baptism.
I pitched my Bible to Brother Floyd Jackson and
counted sixteen people waiting to be baptized in Jesus’
name. I waded out into waist-deep water and baptized
them. What an enjoyable experience! It was a very special,
God-ordained baptismal service. I never once
entertained the thought that God would let me down.
When my wife heard the broadcast at home, she
remarked, “I’m not worried. Someone will get baptized.”
My friend, Richard Sisk, heard my faith baptismal announcement
and told his wife, “I’m going over there to
see if anyone comes to it.” He had not been baptized in
Jesus’ name and had wrestled with the issue. On the way,
he told the Lord that if Brother Russell mentioned water
to him, he’d take that as a confirmation and get baptized.
He chose an obvious word and made it easy! All he
needed at that time was a nudge.
As I climbed up on the bank, Brother Sisk was standing
nearby. I reached up and shook his pant leg and said,
“Brother Sisk, the water’s wet.”
It stunned him. I had used his special word! He
quickly ran to his car and took off for Madisonville as fast
as the law would allow.
I stayed at the creek, feeling that Brother Sisk would
be back. I walked up the hill where my car was parked
and sat down in the front seat with my feet out on the
ground. I was still basking in the enjoyment of the
unusual baptismal service. I sat there for quite awhile.
Several cars turned off the road, and Brother Sisk’s
car was in front of them. He’d gone home to get a change
of clothes. It gave me a lot of pleasure to baptize my
friend in Jesus’ name just as the believers did all through
the Book of Acts. Three thousand people were baptized
on the Day of Pentecost. My tally for the day seemed
small by comparison, but it was growing. The night I was
baptized, ninety-six were baptized.
After Brother Sisk was baptized, a fellow kept hanging
around. He started ranting about how wrong it was to use
Jesus’ name in baptism. Evidently, like Brother Sisk, the
man had been in a tug-o-war frame of mind over Jesus
Name baptism and chose to verbally oppose me. He got
all worked up into a high pitch.
As he stepped on some moss-covered rocks at one shallow
part of the creek, intending to cross to the other side, he
fell, and a sharp rock punctured his arm. He held his arm,
and his face contorted in pain. A big knot formed on the arm.
I asked him, “What were you saying about Jesus’
Name baptism awhile ago?”
He admitted, “I don’t know if I believe it or not.”
I told him, “Follow me into the creek, and I’ll baptize
that knot away.”
He became childlike. “Do you believe that God would
heal me if you baptize me?”
“Yes, sir, I sure do,” I said. I led him into the water,
baptized him, watched him stand there and clap his
hands. The knot was gone, and God had won the
tug-o-war battle.
When the faith baptismal service was over, twenty-two
people had been baptized. As I drove home, a contented
sigh escaped my lips. “Isn’t God good?” What a pleasant
way to spend an afternoon—preaching and baptizing!
There were thirty-five people in the Princeton church
when I began pastoring. God added to the church in the
twenty months I was there, and there were 135 in attendance
when I left.

We sure need faith like that today.

[CC1]

We sure need faith like that today.

It wasn't just faith. It was a different time then. People were much simpler and trusting. There were also not near as many entertainment choices out there. Radio was a very popular medium and preachers were still held in very high esteem.

For a rural area in the South it does not surprise me that a radio preacher woulde make this kind of appeal and see great success back in that day.

[Steve Epley]

Speaking of Bro. Jimmy Russell,

This is from pages 46-49 of the book,The Coal Miner preacher.
It is an autobiography of Bro. Jimmy Russell

on Sunday afternoon we
had an hour program on WFMW that was called “The
Beams of Light.” We featured our choirs and other
singers. We ministered on the radio for about eight years.
One day as I was driving to Princeton for one of the
broadcasts I came to Ward’s Creek. Just as I crossed this
creek, I looked down at the water and the big tree leaning
out over the creek, the Lord spoke to my heart, “Tell them
on the radio that by faith you are coming to Ward’s Creek
for a baptizing under that leaning tree after the broadcast.”
I did not know of a soul to be baptized. Twice during
my radio message I told the listeners about the faith baptismal
service.
After the broadcast I got in my car and drove toward
the creek. There was a long hill that went down toward
the creek. When I crested the hill, I saw cars parked on
both sides of the road, and cars were parked out in the
field. I think some of them wanted to watch me make a
fool of myself when no one showed up to be baptized.
I parked near the top of the hill and walked down to
the creek. I was careful to go where the tree leaned over
the water as I felt the Spirit had directed me. I opened my
Bible and preached for nearly an hour, unaware that the
creek was filling up with folks behind me. They had
waded out ready for baptism.
I pitched my Bible to Brother Floyd Jackson and
counted sixteen people waiting to be baptized in Jesus’
name. I waded out into waist-deep water and baptized
them. What an enjoyable experience! It was a very special,
God-ordained baptismal service. I never once
entertained the thought that God would let me down.
When my wife heard the broadcast at home, she
remarked, “I’m not worried. Someone will get baptized.”
My friend, Richard Sisk, heard my faith baptismal announcement
and told his wife, “I’m going over there to
see if anyone comes to it.” He had not been baptized in
Jesus’ name and had wrestled with the issue. On the way,
he told the Lord that if Brother Russell mentioned water
to him, he’d take that as a confirmation and get baptized.
He chose an obvious word and made it easy! All he
needed at that time was a nudge.
As I climbed up on the bank, Brother Sisk was standing
nearby. I reached up and shook his pant leg and said,
“Brother Sisk, the water’s wet.”
It stunned him. I had used his special word! He
quickly ran to his car and took off for Madisonville as fast
as the law would allow.
I stayed at the creek, feeling that Brother Sisk would
be back. I walked up the hill where my car was parked
and sat down in the front seat with my feet out on the
ground. I was still basking in the enjoyment of the
unusual baptismal service. I sat there for quite awhile.
Several cars turned off the road, and Brother Sisk’s
car was in front of them. He’d gone home to get a change
of clothes. It gave me a lot of pleasure to baptize my
friend in Jesus’ name just as the believers did all through
the Book of Acts. Three thousand people were baptized
on the Day of Pentecost. My tally for the day seemed
small by comparison, but it was growing. The night I was
baptized, ninety-six were baptized.
After Brother Sisk was baptized, a fellow kept hanging
around. He started ranting about how wrong it was to use
Jesus’ name in baptism. Evidently, like Brother Sisk, the
man had been in a tug-o-war frame of mind over Jesus
Name baptism and chose to verbally oppose me. He got
all worked up into a high pitch.
As he stepped on some moss-covered rocks at one shallow
part of the creek, intending to cross to the other side, he
fell, and a sharp rock punctured his arm. He held his arm,
and his face contorted in pain. A big knot formed on the arm.
I asked him, “What were you saying about Jesus’
Name baptism awhile ago?”
He admitted, “I don’t know if I believe it or not.”
I told him, “Follow me into the creek, and I’ll baptize
that knot away.”
He became childlike. “Do you believe that God would
heal me if you baptize me?”
“Yes, sir, I sure do,” I said. I led him into the water,
baptized him, watched him stand there and clap his
hands. The knot was gone, and God had won the
tug-o-war battle.
When the faith baptismal service was over, twenty-two
people had been baptized. As I drove home, a contented
sigh escaped my lips. “Isn’t God good?” What a pleasant
way to spend an afternoon—preaching and baptizing!
There were thirty-five people in the Princeton church
when I began pastoring. God added to the church in the
twenty months I was there, and there were 135 in attendance
when I left.

That was not the only time he did that. They got calling Wards Creek Jesus Name Creek he baptized so many there.

[Barb]

Yes.

And this is the SAME church you are saying was not very strong then or now?!

Again this IS news...to hear Reg speak of Bro. Russell and the church, it was wonderful growing up there and is a good church now.

Hmmm...

[CC1]

I do have to pause and point out something here. While we can all agree that any church condoning the behaviour and lifestyle of homosexuals is deluded, wrong, evil, etc Thad has once again actually misstated a situation.

Everytime I look at the title of this thread I am amused because it is wrong and misleading. If you believed the title you would think Donny and Reba just started a new church for homosexuals.

The truth is this church was started by them about seven or eight years ago and apparently this "outreach" or overt acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle is actually a more recent event.

You would think what they are doing is bad enough that dear Thad coud have at least stated it accurately. This did not need to be exaggerated in any way to be shocking and receive universal condemnation from any balanced Christian.

[Thad]

I do have to pause and point out something here. While we can all agree that any church condoning the behaviour and lifestyle of homosexuals is deluded, wrong, evil, etc Thad has once again actually misstated a situation.

Everytime I look at the title of this thread I am amused because it is wrong and misleading. If you believed the title you would think Donny and Reba just started a new church for homosexuals.

The truth is this church was started by them about seven or eight years ago and apparently this "outreach" or overt acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle is actually a more recent event.

You would think what they are doing is bad enough that dear Thad coud have at least stated it accurately. This did not need to be exaggerated in any way to be shocking and receive universal condemnation from any balanced Christian.


The implication is that they have now opened the Doors for open gays. I see that it's a little off or mis leading i was a little too rushed. titled It's should have said "opens Doors to gays" or something similar.
having said that, when is the last time i chastised you CC for something you posted or a thread you started?? tell me. you are like some self appointed police around here always trying to nip pick me apart. It's not a new development either. There are a number of people you included that go out of their way to fault find me. I guess I will have to get use to it to stay on the forum.

[berkeley]

I do have to pause and point out something here. While we can all agree that any church condoning the behaviour and lifestyle of homosexuals is deluded, wrong, evil, etc Thad has once again actually misstated a situation.

Everytime I look at the title of this thread I am amused because it is wrong and misleading. If you believed the title you would think Donny and Reba just started a new church for homosexuals.

The truth is this church was started by them about seven or eight years ago and apparently this "outreach" or overt acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle is actually a more recent event.

You would think what they are doing is bad enough that dear Thad coud have at least stated it accurately. This did not need to be exaggerated in any way to be shocking and receive universal condemnation from any balanced Christian.quit nit picking.. you picker.. you....

[Thad]

This is no newsflash when it's on her website! LOL!


There have been many things that people have posted as "news flashes" or some newsworthy story that came from websites nothing new.
I'm sure too many it was indeed news that she wrote a book about her divorice and remarriage. it was to me .

[Thad]

quit nit picking.. you picker.. you....


I see we're not in church .......... THIS WEEK

[berkeley]

I see we're not in church .......... THIS WEEKyeah right.. what do you know?

[Steve Epley]

And this is the SAME church you are saying was not very strong then or now?!

Again this IS news...to hear Reg speak of Bro. Russell and the church, it was wonderful growing up there and is a good church now.

Hmmm...

Bro. Russell was a very dedicated person. His life was beyond reproach and his prayer life was probably one of the greatest of any in our lifetime. But he never saw the need to enforce anything he preached. He preached against television harder than I ever heard anyone preach against it(that was in my time) however we had SS teachers and officials with televisions. When I was there nearly 90% of the saints did NOT have televisions but I think the percentage has reversed in years. I will not go into the rest but the church now is certainly not the church I was raised in. Again Reg's family were not in the church when I was there they went to the UPC on North & Wells which always was very weak on standards.

[Esther]

There have been many things that people have posted as "news flashes" or some newsworthy story that came from websites nothing new.
I'm sure too many it was indeed news that she wrote a book about her divorice and remarriage. it was to me .

It was news to me.

[Steve Epley]

I may get flogged for this but Reba was drug from pillar to post in every kind of church for years while her parents had mega family problems. I am not excusing her but we can effect the outcome of our children for good and bad.

[Thad]

I may get flogged for this but Reba was drug from pillar to post in every kind of church for years while her parents had mega family problems. I am not excusing her but we can effect the outcome of our children for good and bad.


what kind of family problems ???

[Steve Epley]

what kind of family problems ???

The MAJOR kind.

[Thad]

The MAJOR kind.

incest ???

[Steve Epley]

incest ???

Not that I know of.

[ManOfWord]

Just for the record, NLC accepts gays in our church as well.




We also accept drunkards, wife beaters, drug addicts, thieves, liars, perverts etc.

We preach that Jesus can change anyone's heart and give them a new life!

[Thad]

Not that I know of.

well you said MAJOR . can you be more specific ?

[Steve Epley]

well you said MAJOR . can you be more specific ?

NOPE!

[Thad]

NOPE!



Then I don't believe you know anything

[Steve Epley]

Then I don't believe you know anything

Not on this public forum I have known these folks all my life and have no desire to put their dirty laundry for all to see.

[tamor]

Not on this public forum I have known these folks all my life and have no desire to put their dirty laundry for all to see.


Thank you. :ty

[Carpenter]

Then I don't believe you know anything

:slaphappy Nice try Thad!!!

:slaphappy

[ThePastorsCoach]

Then I don't believe you know anything

Believe you me - I know Pastor EPLEY and HE KNOWS! :2cents
I love him and am trying to stay on his good side! :hug4

[Sam]

Then I don't believe you know anything

Come on, Thad. Bro. Epley has known these folks and their families, and that part of KY for years. He just does not want to go into detail about their faults.

[Barb]

Then I don't believe you know anything

It is my prayer you are not serious, Thad...

[Thad]

It is my prayer you are not serious, Thad...


you people would crumble in a million pieces if you ever cracked a smile.

Epley knows i'm joking GOODNESS!


I have a tune I'd like to sing for all of you !


" SMILE A WHILE ....AND GIVE YOU FACE A REST .....

[tamor]

you people would crumble in a million pieces if you ever cracked a smile.

Epley knows i'm joking GOODNESS!


I have a tune I'd like to sing for all of you !


" SMILE A WHILE ....AND GIVE YOU FACE A REST .....


I smile all the time, Thaddeous!!

:party

[Barb]

you people would crumble in a million pieces if you ever cracked a smile.

Epley knows i'm joking GOODNESS!


I have a tune I'd like to sing for all of you !


" SMILE A WHILE ....AND GIVE YOU FACE A REST .....

Sorry you feel that way, Thad, and you can save the tune, but in the absence of seeing your face, a smilie might help to clarify your post...and how do you know what Bro. Epley knows?!

[Thad]

Sorry you feel that way, Thad, and you can save the tune, but in the absence of seeing your face, a smilie might help to clarify your post...and how do you know what Bro. Epley knows?!

Barb have we been posting this long (since FCF days) and you don't know my antics by now ????? Epely and are fine. we PMed back and forth and he knows because he said he knew. any more Qs just see my attorney lol

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Barb have we been posting this long (since FCF days) and you don't know my antics by now ????? Epely and are fine. we PMed back and forth and he knows because he said he knew. any more Qs just see my attorney lol

You are jealous that BRo E won't tell you the dirt you want....:thad

[Thad]

You are jealous that BRo E won't tell you the dirt you want....:thad



are you sure i didnt get the scoop ??

[Barb]

You are jealous that BRo E won't tell you the dirt you want....:thad

LOL!!

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

LOL!!

Barb,

This is afterall our beloved Thaddy.

(where is that Bishop T photo when I need it!?)

[Barb]

Barb,

This is afterall our beloved Thaddy.

(where is that Bishop T photo when I need it!?)

Yes, I know it's Thad...am I missing something?!

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Yes, I know it's Thad...am I missing something?!

His nature is that he wants to be in the center of everything.

[Barb]

His nature is that he wants to be in the center of everything.

LOL!! I know and that's why I laughed at your earlier post...that's my boy!!;)

[Old Paths]

If the Elder don't know it's because it hasn't happened.


:D

[woodstock]

There is a family member of someone that I know that is gay and he has started attending this church. I had just heard last week that it is "gay-confirming" and it just made me sick to my stomach. Donny preached for us several years ago and did a really good job. But I had heard that Reba had recently preached at an openly gay conference, so I'm not surprised by this too much.

I've heard the same about Stan Mitchell.

[ThePastorsCoach]

That is awful to repeat gossip like that.

[CupCake]

Not on this public forum I have known these folks all my life and have no desire to put their dirty laundry for all to see.

Agree~ What purpose would this serve anyway~

[CupCake]

That is awful to repeat gossip like that.

Agree~

[committed]

http://www.theriveratmusiccity.com/home.htm

It's theriveratmusiccity.org

[DividedThigh]

what a shame, to bad, dt

[TRFrance]

Who can forget those famous album covers where Dottie had her hair half up and half down so she could try and please the various factions of old time Oneness Pentecost?

She wanted to book churches where they preached women had to wear it up and churches that preached a woman had to wear it down!!!
I'm amazed when I read stuff like that. What scripture would anyone use as to why a woman had to have her hair "up" ??(Lord help us) Stuff like that is what has helped give Oneness Pentecostals, and the UPC in particular, a bad name.

If "OMG OMG" is supposed to be lazy-person's Internet abbreviation for "Oh my God" then you are taking the Lord's name in vain.
Hold on a sec.
God's name is not "God"....God's name is Jesus.

So I don't see how saying "Oh my God" is taking God's name in vain, since that's not his name.

[dptexas]

Where is this indformation supposed to have come from. Did you hear Reba say this? Do you have a video to show it? I know that Pastor Dony & Reba reach out to the lesbian and homosexual community to bring them out of their lifestyle but I do not believe they support the lifestyle. Remember this, we are to love the sinner and hate the sin. It is our job to lead people to Jesus and help them through their battles and bring them into freedome and deliverance.

[triumphant1]

Where is this indformation supposed to have come from. Did you hear Reba say this? Do you have a video to show it? I know that Pastor Dony & Reba reach out to the lesbian and homosexual community to bring them out of their lifestyle but I do not believe they support the lifestyle. Remember this, we are to love the sinner and hate the sin. It is our job to lead people to Jesus and help them through their battles and bring them into freedome and deliverance.

This information doesn't have to come from anywhere other than some rumor loving gossip mill. In my experience, church organizations, who can't find any other way to account for people leaving them and still being successful, simply go on a character assassination journey that can last a lifetime! To say that people who have left are still in God's favor would do damage to the sermons preached about them in their pulpits, camps, and conferences...where doom has been prophesied because they have "left the truth".

[ruthann]

Dear af forum, is this true about reba rambo ? Where can i read about this online? Are you sure she didnt go to speak at gay church only or did she really open one herself? Please reply

[Michael Phelps]

Dear af forum, is this true about reba rambo ? Where can i read about this online? Are you sure she didnt go to speak at gay church only or did she really open one herself? Please reply

www.theriveratmusiccity.com

There is nothing that says that they accept the gay lifestyle, but nothing that says they don't.

However, the original post in this thread alludes to the fact that they have gay folks on staff, but if you check out their ministries page, all of their staff members are married.

The starter of this thread is somewhat scarce these days, otherwise, you could ask him!

[ReformedDave]

www.theriveratmusiccity.com

There is nothing that says that they accept the gay lifestyle, but nothing that says they don't.

However, the original post in this thread alludes to the fact that they have gay folks on staff, but if you check out their ministries page, all of their staff members are married.

The starter of this thread is somewhat scarce these days, otherwise, you could ask him!

There are many of the 'catch' phrases all throughout their site.

[dptexas]

There are many of the 'catch' phrases all throughout their site.

And so that gives everyone the right becuase of what you say is "catch phrase" that they believe openly and teach and have staff that is gay and that everything is okay to be that way......Talk about Pharisees but I really see so many as SAD-U-See, always ready to jump on someone they think has left truth, the way they see truth, their way of thinking, their interpretation of scripture..... And when did you not read in the Bible about casting the first stone and about gossippers and tale bearers and coming against those who are anointed of God.......You just might want to study your Bible more instead of judge "CATCh PHRASES" for truth of what you think it might mean......

[ReformedDave]

And so that gives everyone the right becuase of what you say is "catch phrase" that they believe openly and teach and have staff that is gay and that everything is okay to be that way......Talk about Pharisees but I really see so many as SAD-U-See, always ready to jump on someone they think has left truth, the way they see truth, their way of thinking, their interpretation of scripture..... And when did you not read in the Bible about casting the first stone and about gossippers and tale bearers and coming against those who are anointed of God.......You just might want to study your Bible more instead of judge "CATCh PHRASES" for truth of what you think it might mean......

Did I say they had anyone on their staff that was gay?

[jezebelslayer]

He appears to be a little limp and she looks like a $5 street walker! JMHO!

Is this a serious comment? OR are you just kidding too?

[jezebelslayer]

I looked for it... but assumed with Sherri's knowledge of a gay person being accepted there it must be true.

Do remember what assuming makes you!!!

[HeavenlyOne]

Do remember what assuming makes you!!!

What does it make him?

[jezebelslayer]

You know what I am not totally in agreement with what is going on with this. You know what we do not know the real motives of these people we only can judge them by their actions and unfortunately the oneness penetecostals are very judgemental. We are not above making mistakes. Only God knows

SHOUTING A BIG ... AMEN!:rooting

[jezebelslayer]

then i don't believe you know anything

exactly. Don't start something you can't or won't finish.

[jezebelslayer]

Not on this public forum I have known these folks all my life and have no desire to put their dirty laundry for all to see.

Then why did you feel it necessary to even mention anything at all...or was it to let everyone know that you know stuff on people. Kinda like name dropping. But....you did keep the troubles of people private...thanks for that.

[HeavenlyOne]

Jezzy, you are answering posts that are over a year old.

Just so you know why you might not get responses.

[jezebelslayer]

Jezzy, you are answering posts that are over a year old.

Just so you know why you might not get responses.

not looking so much for responses but since this is the first time I read this thread ... I just couldn't help but say my peace. thanks for the comment though.

[HeavenlyOne]

not looking so much for responses but since this is the first time I read this thread ... I just couldn't help but say my peace. thanks for the comment though.

LOL!

Well, didn't want you getting all committed only to find out that the convo was long gone. I've done that before and I'm like DOH!

[chosenbyone]

There are many of the 'catch' phrases all throughout their site.

RD,

I read the entire site this evening and I didn't see the "catch" phrases you mentioned in your post.

If they have ministered and loved a homosexual like Jesus instructed in order for them to receive salvation and deliverance from their sins then they should have been commended.

CB1

[ReformedDave]

RD,

I read the entire site this evening and I didn't see the "catch" phrases you mentioned in your post.

If they have ministered and loved a homosexual like Jesus instructed in order for them to receive salvation and deliverance from their sins then they should have been commended.

CB1

I've got no problem with ministering to the gay crowd....as Scripture instructs.

There are several phrases that I've read in their site, that while not overtly obvious, are 'catch' phrases generally used to lead to inclusiveness..."God accepting you where you are" etc.

Here's a couple of comments by some of their 'ministers' that jumped out at me-

WHAT DO YOU LOVE ABOUT THE RIVER AT MUSIC CITY? The open minded and non judgmental people.

WHAT DO YOU LOVE ABOUT THE RIVER AT MUSIC CITY? The unconditional acceptance of anyone who comes through the doors and the Pastors aren’t too shabby either!

WHAT DO YOU LOVE ABOUT THE RIVER AT MUSIC CITY? I love the fact that the River is a sanctuary that doesn’t discriminate. ---

While these are not overtly 'gay' affirming I've read the same statements in gay churches and the secular workplace that says the same thing albeit in less religious language to definitely include homosexuals.

[crakjak]

I've got no problem with ministering to the gay crowd....as Scripture instructs.

There are several phrases that I've read in their site, that while not overtly obvious, are 'catch' phrases generally used to lead to inclusiveness..."God accepting you where you are" etc.

Here's a couple of comments by some of their 'ministers' that jumped out at me-

WHAT DO YOU LOVE ABOUT THE RIVER AT MUSIC CITY? The open minded and non judgmental people.

WHAT DO YOU LOVE ABOUT THE RIVER AT MUSIC CITY? The unconditional acceptance of anyone who comes through the doors and the Pastors aren’t too shabby either!

WHAT DO YOU LOVE ABOUT THE RIVER AT MUSIC CITY? I love the fact that the River is a sanctuary that doesn’t discriminate. ---

While these are not overtly 'gay' affirming I've read the same statements in gay churches and the secular workplace that says the same thing albeit in less religious language to definitely include homosexuals.

Can we love the sinner, and not embrace or love the sin? Is this actually possible for "Christians"? I really wonder, if most Christians even believe that homosexuals can be saved, I know some on here do not. Is our faith so weak that we cannot associate with the objects of God love and those for whom Christ died?

[crakjak]

RD,

I read the entire site this evening and I didn't see the "catch" phrases you mentioned in your post.

If they have ministered and loved a homosexual like Jesus instructed in order for them to receive salvation and deliverance from their sins then they should have been commended.

CB1

Awesome, CBO, awesome!

[ReformedDave]

Can we love the sinner, and not embrace or love the sin? Is this actually possible for "Christians"? I really wonder, if most Christians even believe that homosexuals can be saved, I know some on here do not. Is our faith so weak that we cannot associate with the objects of God love and those for whom Christ died?

I believe homosexuals can and are saved. The problem I have is the 'acceptance' factor.......Christ came to save us FROM our sins.

[crakjak]

I believe homosexuals can and are saved. The problem I have is the 'acceptance' factor.......Christ came to save us FROM our sins.

You are sounding more Christlike there now.....lol

If we ever mature in relationship with Christ and completely trust in Him we will not longer have a deathly fear of being in contact with sinners for whom he died. We do not need to accept their sin, but we must accept "them" when Christ has accepted them. Most sinners, initially after coming to Christ, are weak and wobbly for a long time and need much loving and nurturing from mature believers. Reconciliation is complete in Christ, relationship takes much longer, and needs much nurturing.

[ReformedDave]

You are sounding more Christlike there now.....lol

If we ever mature in relationship with Christ and completely trust in Him we will not longer have a deathly fear of being in contact with sinners for whom he died. We do not need to accept their sin, but we must accept "them" when Christ has accepted them. Most sinners, initially after coming to Christ, are weak and wobbly for a long time and need much loving and nurturing from mature believers. Reconciliation is complete in Christ, relationship takes much longer, and needs much nurturing.

I believe in allowing the process of sanctification to take place but I have a real problem with the unsaved feeling a 'part' of our church. We just accept them 'the way they are'. A sinner should not feel comfortable in our services. I don't mean that we should not be friendly and cordial. I also do not believe in 'sinner bashing' from the pulpit but I do believe in preaching directly from Scripture with the same emphasis that is placed on sin that the Bible places on it. I do believe in calling sinners to repentance.

[crakjak]

I believe in allowing the process of sanctification to take place but I have a real problem with the unsaved feeling a 'part' of our church. We just accept them 'the way they are'. A sinner should not feel comfortable in our services. I don't mean that we should not be friendly and cordial. I also do not believe in 'sinner bashing' from the pulpit but I do believe in preaching directly from Scripture with the same emphasis that is placed on sin that the Bible places on it. I do believe in calling sinners to repentance.

Whether we understand it or not most sinners know instinctively that they are sinners, and they feel completely rejected by God and the church.

If we cannot love them first, we will never have much opportunity to instruct them in righteousness. Particularly homosexuals, are generally overtly sensitive souls that are quite hard on themselves, with a great underlying sense of worthlessness, so when they hear, what is to others a gentle rebuke they hear a screaming accusation that confirms their own thoughts of worthlessness, and as human nature dictates they run from the pain.

Many sinners have been rejected by their fathers and authority figures, so God is just another slapping them around, they lack the logical thought process that comes so second nature to a believer. They are blind and in darkness, and they can't conceive of there being any light from flawed and imperfect believers or their understanding of God.

BTW, most Christians view of the Heavenly Father is so distorted that, why would someone want to try to please someone like that, they could not please their own earthly father so they are HOPELESSLY in the darkness.

Their only hope is that God will speak to them thru a loving and mature believer. I suspect we agree more than we disagree on this subject.

[jezebelslayer]

Good Word! I agree with your compassion.

[faithfulinlittle777]

i think the saying love the sinner not the sin is the real deal...cause if ur a Christian ur supposed to have the love of Christ in u....should homosexual preachers who are openly living a life of sin have ministeral license....no cause that what makes you a minister...you are living the life to be able to be in a positon to minister to those who are not...i mean cmon....if u really have the love of Christ though the gay person, the homosexual will respect ur life n when God speaks to them and so...if u join their lifestyle how can the pulpit reach the pew?

[SOUNWORTHY]

He appears to be a little limp and she looks like a $5 street walker! JMHO!

How do you really feel about them? :ursofunny

[gmcbride]

Well, I know Dony and Reba personally, they have a loving, giving heart and before we cast the first stone lets look at own lives. Sin is sin and I bet there are few of you pointing the finger that are overweight, gossiping and pointing fingers.

[seguidordejesus]

So being overweight is the same as being gay? Right.....

[*AQuietPlace*]

I bet there are few of you pointing the finger that are overweight, gossiping and pointing fingers.

Ya think?

[jaxfam6]

Ya think?

i think he thinks

ya think

[THX4GRACE]

I think it's great that Reba has reached out to the Gay community. Just like the story of the Good Samaritan in Luke 10: 27 -37...the religious elite of the time (the priest and levite) both passed by walking on the other side of the road an wouldn't help the man. They should have been the ones showing a good example but it was the Samaritan who actually stopped and helped him. Reba is like that Samaritan. She's not too proud to help someone when they're in need.

I have to tell you , I've been to several of the Gay Pentecostal Churches. I felt the same Holy Ghost......saw the tears streaming down their faces as they praised and worshiped God in Spirit and in Truth, speaking in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance. God is no respector of persons....!

[KWSS1976]

I still find it funny that there can be a Gay Pentecostal church not to add to the fact they can speak in tongues be baptised and still be gay..LOL I myself really don't care people can do what they want to do I just find it so funny..That the speaking in tongues only is supposed to happen to the born again christian but yet we tell gays they are not christians and are going to hell because of there lifestyle. So I would not be so quick to put them in Hell..LOL

[RevDWW]

I think it's great that Reba has reached out to the Gay community. Just like the story of the Good Samaritan in Luke 10: 27 -37...the religious elite of the time (the priest and levite) both passed by walking on the other side of the road an wouldn't help the man. They should have been the ones showing a good example but it was the Samaritan who actually stopped and helped him. Reba is like that Samaritan. She's not too proud to help someone when they're in need.

I have to tell you , I've been to several of the Gay Pentecostal Churches. I felt the same Holy Ghost......saw the tears streaming down their faces as they praised and worshiped God in Spirit and in Truth, speaking in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance. God is no respector of persons....!

True, God is no respecter of persons. Seems you have read Acts, but continue to read Romans. He will forgive those that ask, but I do believe He wants us to forsake our sinful nature and follow Him. Can a "gay" lifestyle be promoted as anything but sinful from a biblical perspective?

[KWSS1976]

I don't see why God would fill a person with the holyghost eveidence by speaking in tongues if they are still going to be gay afterwards but it happens so I guess some gays want be in hell afterall..LOL