Holiness Swim Wear

[MrsMcD]

It's summer time girls! I found decent swim wear.

[deltaguitar]

It's summer time girls! I found decent swim wear.

Honestly that is pretty hot I can see her eyes.

[Timmy]

Honestly that is pretty hot I can see her eyes.

Are you kidding? You can see her SHAPE! Wow!

[Timmy]

Plus, there must be a hundred square inches of skin showing. Disgusting!

;)

[*AQuietPlace*]

That's not holiness.... she's wearing pants.

[Timmy]

Mrs M, you know I'm just kidding around! :D

[Timmy]

(And I'm not the only one! You must have seen it coming! :lol)

[POWERUP]

Kinda reminds me of the time we were at Six- Flags, I believe.( I am not making fun either) This group of...................Conserative Pentecostals got on one
of the big log rides..............men and woman...........long sleeves and pants(except for the ladies of course):pullhair...

Here is the kicker. They all had these large plastic bags over them........

so they wouldn't get wet!!!! For crying out loud!! It was a 100 degrees!!

[MrsMcD]

Mrs M, you know I'm just kidding around! :D

:thumbsup I know.

[MrsMcD]

Kinda reminds me of the time we were at Six- Flags, I believe.( I am not making fun either) This group of...................Conserative Pentecostals got on one
of the big log rides..............men and woman...........long sleeves and pants(except for the ladies of course):pullhair...

Here is the kicker. They all had these large plastic bags over them........

so they wouldn't get wet!!!! For crying out loud!! It was a 100 degrees!!

Why even get on the ride. lol

[MrsMcD]

That's not holiness.... she's wearing pants.

I guess it depends on what you call holiness.

[POWERUP]

....................Thank You!!! My point exactly. Drives me nuts when people say they
are a witness by doing such!!! Wouldn't bring me to christ!!!

Stay at home!!!

[*AQuietPlace*]

I guess it depends on what you call holiness.
:)

True.

[MissBrattified]

Considering that the costume presented is probably for Muslims or orthodox Jews--I have to comment--at least they take the time to make an outfit specifically for an activity that still fits in with their rules of modesty. :rolleyes2

I wouldn't be offended or upset if I saw a group of Muslims at the beach in this kind of swimwear. Why would it be offensive or stupid? As long as the material is made out of the lightweight swim material, there's nothing wrong with it from a practical standpoint. I don't think the aim is to be a "witness." I think the aim is to participate in a fun activity and still be modest.

I find it MUCH more offensive to see someone jump in the lake in their regular clothes. (e.g., jeans and a t-shirt)

There's nothing wrong with modesty at the beach or pool. Jeffrey is taking swim lessons right now, and he wears board shorts and a rashguard. All of the instructors, including the guys, wear t-shirts over or with their swimsuits (bright yellow that say "instructor" on the back).

My Baptist cousins wear shorts and t-shirts--I haven't seen a single picture of them at the beach in swimsuits.

Is that actually something we need to ridicule?

[*AQuietPlace*]

Considering that the costume presented is probably for Muslims or orthodox Jews--I have to comment--at least they take the time to make an outfit specifically for an activity that still fits in with their rules of modesty. :rolleyes2

I wouldn't be offended or upset if I saw a group of Muslims at the beach in this kind of swimwear. Why would it be offensive or stupid?


Did someone say it was offensive or stupid?

[POWERUP]

Bump!!!!

[MrsMcD]

Did someone say it was offensive or stupid?

I was wondering the same thing...

[Jack Shephard]

Man if my wife had that on.......she would look ridiculous!

MrsMcD, that was cute. Thanks for posting that. I got a good laugh out of it.

[MissBrattified]

It was my perception based on the tone of the posts (especially the one below) and past discussions--no one said it specifically. :)

*edited* --sorry, it was this post. :)
....................Thank You!!! My point exactly. Drives me nuts when people say they
are a witness by doing such!!! Wouldn't bring me to christ!!!

Stay at home!!!

[POWERUP]

:neenerMrs. B,

I thought that was aimed at me. You said yourself it was more offensive if someone jumped in a lake with thier regular clothes!!!

So why get on a log ride and not want to get wet!!!!!

Just like last year when we were at the local water park, and this family came in
and got on all the rides in jeans and skirts!!! You look stupid!!! Go home and play in
the shower!!

You not Holy!Your ignorant!!

[POWERUP]

:ursofunnyMy swim gear!!!!!!!!!Hey no shorts!!!

Me in the middle.

[MrsMcD]

:ursofunnyMy swim gear!!!!!!!!!Hey no shorts!!!

Me in the middle.


Well I would be crucified if I posted a picture of me in my wet suit. lol

[RandyWayne]

I am sure that for the true UC, the concept of one of "our ladies" (it just irks me when people say that!) wearing "Holiness Swimwear" is a bit like saying a man is smoking a "Christian cigarette".

[BeenThinkin]

:ursofunnyMy swim gear!!!!!!!!!Hey no shorts!!!

Me in the middle.


POWERUP!!!! This gear won't fly! Way too tight!!!! Pray through my brother! :ursofunny :bliss ...... and shout!

Been Thinkin

[POWERUP]

:foottapBT,

Is the better?

[MrsMcD]

I am sure that for the true UC, the concept of one of "our ladies" (it just irks me when people say that!) wearing "Holiness Swimwear" is a bit like saying a man is smoking a "Christian cigarette".

Holiness women should be able to go swimming too. :bliss

[BeenThinkin]

:foottapBT,

Is the better?


Now that will fly! Will look stupid in the water but will fly! I think! j/k

Seriously, I've always felt that a woman in loose fitting street clothes, in the water, with the wet clothes clinging to their bodies was more provocative than swimming gear. Just my "carnal" thoughts!

BT

[POWERUP]

yep. Got to agree.

[MissBrattified]

:neenerMrs. B,

I thought that was aimed at me. You said yourself it was more offensive if someone jumped in a lake with thier regular clothes!!!

Only in the sense that I think that it's dangerous to swim fully clothed (in regular heavy clothing). In that way, it looks foolish. It isn't foolish simply because they're completely covered.

So why get on a log ride and not want to get wet!!!!!

Just like last year when we were at the local water park, and this family came in
and got on all the rides in jeans and skirts!!! You look stupid!!! Go home and play in
the shower!!

You not Holy!Your ignorant!!

Yep--well, that's our family, too. We wear regular clothes to Silver Dollar City and ride all the water rides. :) (And no, we don't care if we get wet.)

[MissBrattified]

Did someone say it was offensive or stupid?

I was wondering the same thing...

Exhibit A:

I thought that was aimed at me. You said yourself it was more offensive if someone jumped in a lake with thier regular clothes!!!

So why get on a log ride and not want to get wet!!!!!

Just like last year when we were at the local water park, and this family came in
and got on all the rides in jeans and skirts!!! You look stupid!!! Go home and play in
the shower!!

You not Holy!Your ignorant!!

:coffee2

[MrsMcD]

Only in the sense that I think that it's dangerous to swim fully clothed (in regular heavy clothing). In that way, it looks foolish. It isn't foolish simply because they're completely covered.



Yep--well, that's our family, too. We wear regular clothes to Silver Dollar City and ride all the water rides. :) (And no, we don't care if we get wet.)

Riding a ride in any clothing is one thing but to ride a wet ride and bring plastic to cover up with - well, that's retarded. lol I think he stated that's what someone did earlier.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Exhibit A:



:coffee2
He didn't say that the swimsuit in the original post was offensive or stupid.

And I agree with him that going to a water park in fully-clothed denim is attention-getting. A water ride at an amusement park is a completely different thing. There are plenty of people there with their clothes on. We go on those all the time in our clothes, and no one gives us a second glance.

A water park, however, whose only purpose is getting wet, is a different story. Knee-length swim shorts, and a swim shirt.... perfectly normal, no stares. Jeans, or jean skirt, and a long-sleeve shirt... that's going to get you some stares. Anyone is free to do it, of course, it's a free country (although some water parks won't allow it), but yeah... people are going to comment on it, and think it's weird.

[MrsMcD]

Kinda reminds me of the time we were at Six- Flags, I believe.( I am not making fun either) This group of...................Conserative Pentecostals got on one
of the big log rides..............men and woman...........long sleeves and pants(except for the ladies of course):pullhair...

Here is the kicker. They all had these large plastic bags over them........

so they wouldn't get wet!!!! For crying out loud!! It was a 100 degrees!!

Why even get on the ride. lol

This is what I think is retarded. Different strokes for different folks.

[MissBrattified]

He didn't say that the swimsuit in the original post was offensive or stupid.

And I agree with him that going to a water park in fully-clothed denim is attention-getting. A water ride at an amusement park is a completely different thing. There are plenty of people there with their clothes on. We go on those all the time in our clothes, and no one gives us a second glance.

A water park, however, whose only purpose is getting wet, is a different story. Knee-length swim shorts, and a swim shirt.... perfectly normal, no stares. Jeans, or jean skirt, and a long-sleeve shirt... that's going to get you some stares. Anyone is free to do it, of course, it's a free country (although some water parks won't allow it), but yeah... people are going to comment on it, and think it's weird.

AQP--I know that "people" will comment and think it's weird. And for the record, I don't go to water parks in a jean skirt and long sleeved shirt. I've never seen any Apostolics dressed like that at a water park. (I've only been to one, anyway.) If they do, of course they'll stand out and look odd. However, it doesn't mean they're stupid, that they should stay home, or that they're ignorant. They're just trying to have fun with their families the same as anyone else.

Regardless--I expect secular people to think it's odd. I expect Christian people to be more understanding. It kind of goes back to another thread--the one about the girl praying at her graduation and ending up in a heap on the floor. Christians are often harder on each other because they are embarrassed when someone does something they feel is "ignorant or stupid", and pride makes them want to draw a hard line between themselves and that behavior lest they be associated with them.

That isn't the way we're supposed to relate to one another. And yes--I jumped the gun, because this is deja vu. We've had this conversation about modest swimwear many times before. Many people think the modest swimwear looks silly. They're not just picking on jeans and t-shirts. :rolleyes2

And another note: I see all kinds of secular people getting on water rides in jeans and t-shirts. You're right--not at the water PARK. But definitely at amusement parks. Apparently it's only offensive, ignorant or stupid if it's a LONG-SLEEVED t-shirt and a jean SKIRT.

Personally, I find it ironic and contradictory for liberals to demand personal liberty, but mock conservative people the liberty to practice their beliefs. It's done in a way that would seek to deny them the liberty to practice their convictions. At least, deny them the opportunity to do it without being ostracized, mocked, insulted or disrespected.

When we went to the beach last year, I wore a t-shirt and board shorts over my swimsuit--like I always do, unless I'm in private. However, since the beach was almost completely secluded, I let the kids go a little skimpier. In public, though, I expect them to cover more skin (especially as they get older). When you're with family, that's one thing. In public, I still believe modesty is in order. The fact that secular people don't consider a full-coverage swimsuit to be immodest is irrelevant to me, and it's not how I determine what is modest for ME.

[*AQuietPlace*]

And another note: I see all kinds of secular people getting on water rides in jeans and t-shirts. You're right--not at the water PARK. But definitely at amusement parks. Apparently it's only offensive, ignorant or stupid if it's a LONG-SLEEVED t-shirt and a jean SKIRT.



I don't think riding a log ride in a jean skirt and long-sleeves is weird. Covering yourself with a plastic bag is a little strange, though. ;) And that would be strange even if you had on a bathing suit underneath. :D The point of a log ride is to get wet. If you don't want to get wet, just go ride the roller-coaster. :blink

I also think that much of the modest swimwear is classy looking. MOST of us look much better with more covered! The original post.... I wouldn't give it a second glance if it was a Muslim wearing it, that's their culture. A Pentecostal, however... yeah, I'd tend to think they'd gone just a little overboard. But, whatever floats your boat.

[MissBrattified]

I don't think riding a log ride in a jean skirt and long-sleeves is weird. Covering yourself with a plastic bag is a little strange, though. ;) And that would be strange even if you had on a bathing suit underneath. :D The point of a log ride is to get wet. If you don't want to get wet, just go ride the roller-coaster. :blink

I also think that much of the modest swimwear is classy looking. MOST of us look much better with more covered! The original post.... I wouldn't give it a second glance if it was a Muslim wearing it, that's their culture. A Pentecostal, however... yeah, I'd tend to think they'd gone just a little overboard. But, whatever floats your boat.

Totally agree. :thumbsup

[BeenThinkin]

Totally agree. :thumbsup


Made me think of this video! Now MissB this ain't directed to you or any of the posters on this thread. Just thought of it and "wanted to share!" That's all.

Hope this don't get me banned!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2p4L-ZW-HU

[MissBrattified]

Made me think of this video! Now MissB this ain't directed to you or any of the posters on this thread. Just thought of it and "wanted to share!" That's all.

Hope this don't get me banned!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2p4L-ZW-HU

Very cute! :toofunny

[missourimary]

Kinda reminds me of the time we were at Six- Flags, I believe.( I am not making fun either) This group of...................Conserative Pentecostals got on one
of the big log rides..............men and woman...........long sleeves and pants(except for the ladies of course):pullhair...

Here is the kicker. They all had these large plastic bags over them........

so they wouldn't get wet!!!! For crying out loud!! It was a 100 degrees!!

First thought: CONSERVATIVE Pentecostals, at Six Flags?!?! :blink
Conservatives don't go to worldly amusement parks, do they?? I thought it was against the rules! Man, and I've been missing out!

Second thought: certain Pentecostals aren't the only ones who do weird things at amusement parks. A group of little old ladies (not Pentecostal) got on Thunder River at Six Flags years ago when the ride first opened... and proceeded to open their umbrellas! :toofunny

[Pragmatist]

I wear modest swimwear- short sleeves, shorts and a skirt, all made of swimsuit material. I'm quite happy to be modest and no one has ever looked at me funny that I've noticed.:razz

[pastorrick1959]

I WOULDNT MAKE FUNN OF ANYONE ,WHO HAD CONVICTIONS ,AND LIVED THEM .
i simply dont go to water parks myself.. i dont want to see all that ,,
yall go ahead and have your fun ,, god will have his say one day!

[Timmy]

I WOULDNT MAKE FUNN OF ANYONE ,WHO HAD CONVICTIONS ,AND LIVED THEM .
i simply dont go to water parks myself.. i dont want to see all that ,,
yall go ahead and have your fun ,, god will have his say one day!

OK! :woot

[POWERUP]

:beggingWow!!! I am sorry if I offended anyone with my thoughts.(Remember....there my thoughts)
Mrs. B. I was not trying to be ugly about the whole swimsuit issus. My wife wears a
bathing suit and a coverup when we go to the beach or water park.

I would never make fun of someone in trying to be modest, and have fun with their
family.

If they believe(or have convictions????) about dress code......They should not be
at an water park anyway.

But come on now...............putting a plastic bag over you on a water ride....are you
grinning just a little?..............or fully dressed at a water park.........For God sakes, you
will drown!!!

Take care my friend............leave those bags at home. LOL......

Oh, and for the record. Those folks with the bags over thier body on the ride....
I know them well...........My wife grew up in church with them........They go to a very
conserative church in MS.

I have played for their choir before...............

[*AQuietPlace*]

For whatever weird reason, I was thinking about this thread when I woke up this morning. I tend to do that a lot. I'm strange.

Anyway, the brilliant thought that was banging around in my brain is this:

It's not how much skin you have covered that makes people stare and think you're weird. It just comes down to appropriate and inappropriate attire. You could wear a wet suit which covers you from your wrists, to your neck, to your ankles. Wear that at the ocean, and no one will give you a second glance. Wear a three-piece suit and tie, and jump in, and everyone's eyes will bug out. Wear a three-piece suit and tie to Six Flags and people will do a double take. Wear jeans and a t-shirt to Six Flags, and no one will notice you're there. It's not the amount of skin that's 'not' showing, it's just that some attire has specific uses, and if you wear it to a place where it doesn't 'suit the occasion', people will notice.

I wouldn't wear a prom dress to go hiking, and I wouldn't wear hiking boots and denim to the prom. We have attire that we think is appropriate for certain occasions.

So, MissB, I doubt that very many people find it odd when you and your daughters wear long swim shorts and rash guard shirts. That's appropriate attire for the water. But denim does get glances because everyone knows how heavy it gets in water, plus most people think it's weird to swim in everyday clothes.

Of course it's a free country, and we can all do what we want. As a matter of fact, I was wading in a stream just a few days ago, in a jean skirt. I didn't care what anyone thought at the time. But, there's no sense in denying that some people might think it's weird, and for good reason. Not because too much skin was covered, and they think that's strange.... no, just because it's not appropriate attire for the occasion.

[POWERUP]

:thumbsupWell Spoken.........................I agree to the fullest.

Kinda remins me of when people try to make a argument about standards and dress
codes. They say things like................even the people at mcdonalds where a uniform!

You are right. But I betcha they don't wear it swimming.............unless...............lol...

[POWERUP]

:thumbsup2574My Pride and Joy at the Beach last summer...................Yep, I keep my gun cleaned!!Lol..

[misspresley]

For whatever weird reason, I was thinking about this thread when I woke up this morning. I tend to do that a lot. I'm strange.

Anyway, the brilliant thought that was banging around in my brain is this:

It's not how much skin you have covered that makes people stare and think you're weird. It just comes down to appropriate and inappropriate attire. You could wear a wet suit which covers you from your wrists, to your neck, to your ankles. Wear that at the ocean, and no one will give you a second glance. Wear a three-piece suit and tie, and jump in, and everyone's eyes will bug out. Wear a three-piece suit and tie to Six Flags and people will do a double take. Wear jeans and a t-shirt to Six Flags, and no one will notice you're there. It's not the amount of skin that's 'not' showing, it's just that some attire has specific uses, and if you wear it to a place where it doesn't 'suit the occasion', people will notice.

I wouldn't wear a prom dress to go hiking, and I wouldn't wear hiking boots and denim to the prom. We have attire that we think is appropriate for certain occasions.

So, MissB, I doubt that very many people find it odd when you and your daughters wear long swim shorts and rash guard shirts. That's appropriate attire for the water. But denim does get glances because everyone knows how heavy it gets in water, plus most people think it's weird to swim in everyday clothes.

Of course it's a free country, and we can all do what we want. As a matter of fact, I was wading in a stream just a few days ago, in a jean skirt. I didn't care what anyone thought at the time. But, there's no sense in denying that some people might think it's weird, and for good reason. Not because too much skin was covered, and they think that's strange.... no, just because it's not appropriate attire for the occasion.

Completely agree with this - nothing to add to it!!!!

[LadyRev]

:neenerMrs. B,

I thought that was aimed at me. You said yourself it was more offensive if someone jumped in a lake with thier regular clothes!!!

So why get on a log ride and not want to get wet!!!!!

Just like last year when we were at the local water park, and this family came in
and got on all the rides in jeans and skirts!!! You look stupid!!! Go home and play in
the shower!!

You not Holy!Your ignorant!!

Once again, we have an example of a "LIB" bashing, judging, criticizing and condemning those whose "christian practices and beliefs" don't line up with their personal preferences or beliefs.

Any empathy that I used to have for LIBS who were/are bashed, judged, criticized and condemned by conservatives, is pretty much GONE.

LIBS whine about how CONS treat them and then turn around and do the exact same things that they whine about.

If anything is IGNORANT, its the above!

If anything is IGNORANT, its running around showing off uglified body parts in a public place! Save it for home! Save it for the bedroom and your husband if you have one. I don't personally want to see those ugly legs sticking out of those shorts nor watch you try to PULL DOWN the legs of those shorts after they are wet and clinging and riding up your backside!

Talk about IGNORANT!

[Walks_in_islam]

(laughing) you know timmy, my wife has (2) of these and I think she's cute in them. Just sayin'....

Are you kidding? You can see her SHAPE! Wow!

[RandyWayne]

Once again, we have an example of a "LIB" bashing, judging, criticizing and condemning those whose "christian practices and beliefs" don't line up with their personal preferences or beliefs.

Any empathy that I used to have for LIBS who were/are bashed, judged, criticized and condemned by conservatives, is pretty much GONE.

LIBS whine about how CONS treat them and then turn around and do the exact same things that they whine about.

If anything is IGNORANT, its the above!

If anything is IGNORANT, its running around showing off uglified body parts in a public place! Save it for home! Save it for the bedroom and your husband if you have one. I don't personally want to see those ugly legs sticking out of those shorts nor watch you try to PULL DOWN the legs of those shorts after they are wet and clinging and riding up your backside!
Talk about IGNORANT!

Not all of us have ugly legs.....

[POWERUP]

:blahLady Rev. you need to go jump in the ocean and cool off!LOL..... I wasn't bashing anyone!

Go back and read the post that I wrote later................you will have a better understanding of what I was trying to say.

oh! who's legs you calling ugly? Mine are not! For the record, I don't have a husband!!

I am the husband!! Look who's bashing now!! You don't know anything about me, and you talking trash.

Go get on a log ride!!:ursofunny

[Walks_in_islam]

I am curious as to why a group of holiness apostolics would make fun of ladies who are trying to maintain their standards of modesty? This is strange.

[*AQuietPlace*]

I am curious as to why a group of holiness apostolics would make fun of ladies who are trying to maintain their standards of modesty? This is strange.
No one is.

And let's get real here. If you are a genuine, committed, absolute stickler for modesty at all times, in all situations... swimming period is not modest, no matter what you're wearing. Water makes whatever you are wearing cling to your body.

[RandyWayne]

Some appropriate swimwear for MEN at the beach......

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/TKXCVWTE3TM/0.jpg

What's in YOUR wallet?

[MissBrattified]

Some appropriate swimwear for MEN at the beach......

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/TKXCVWTE3TM/0.jpg

What's in YOUR wallet?

:toofunny :toofunny

[MissBrattified]

Really, this thread rubbed me the wrong way yesterday. I probably took it more seriously than I should have. However, my stance is still the same: Let people wear whatever they like, and don't be overly bothered when people do strange things. More importantly, don't infer their motives for them. Most people are just trying to live their lives and have fun with their families within the boundaries they've set or have been given.

Don't beat them up over it, even if they do end up looking a little weird. :thumbsup

[Walks_in_islam]

(laughing) that's funny i dont care who ya are....

Some appropriate swimwear for MEN at the beach......

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/TKXCVWTE3TM/0.jpg

What's in YOUR wallet?

[Pressing-On]

Personally, I find it ironic and contradictory for liberals to demand personal liberty, but mock conservative people the liberty to practice their beliefs. It's done in a way that would seek to deny them the liberty to practice their convictions. At least, deny them the opportunity to do it without being ostracized, mocked, insulted or disrespected.
Thank you! :thumbsup

I was once telling HO that forcing pants on us was the same as forcing dresses/skirts on others. She agreed that both are wrong and I agreed that she was right on her assessment! (lol) "Forcing" may be too large or expressive of a word, but it comes across that way at times, IMO.

Really, this thread rubbed me the wrong way yesterday. I probably took it more seriously than I should have. However, my stance is still the same: Let people wear whatever they like, and don't be overly bothered when people do strange things. More importantly, don't infer their motives for them. Most people are just trying to live their lives and have fun with their families within the boundaries they've set or have been given.

Don't beat them up over it, even if they do end up looking a little weird. :thumbsup
:thumbsup :thumbsup

[RandyWayne]

Really, this thread rubbed me the wrong way yesterday. I probably took it more seriously than I should have. However, my stance is still the same: Let people wear whatever they like, and don't be overly bothered when people do strange things. More importantly, don't infer their motives for them. Most people are just trying to live their lives and have fun with their families within the boundaries they've set or have been given.

Don't beat them up over it, even if they do end up looking a little weird. :thumbsup

I partially agree. I have told the story numerous times about going downhill skiing and the women wearing jean skirts over their snow pants or snowmobile suits. And yes, it did look silly, which in itself wouldn't bother me if most did it because they were truly convicted instead of doing it because of the good old "apostolic identity" and the desire to look the part. And then there is the part about the "silliness" becoming another obstacle to overcome for non-believers and having to explain to them why they do certain things (which there is often no good reason).

[MissBrattified]

I partially agree. I have told the story numerous times about going downhill skiing and the women wearing jean skirts over their snow pants or snowmobile suits. And yes, it did look silly, which in itself wouldn't bother me if most did it because they were truly convicted instead of doing it because of the good old "apostolic identity" and the desire to look the part. And then there is the part about the "silliness" becoming another obstacle to overcome for non-believers and having to explain to them why they do certain things (which there is often no good reason).

It is very impractical, but again, they're trying to have fun and still obey rules or abide by their own convictions. Either way, I'm appreciative when people get their families out of the house and try to have a nice time. I know way too many Apostolics who answer the problem by being couch potatoes and staying at home all the time. That's way worse, IMO.

That said, there are some things you simply can't do modestly or safely in a skirt. ESPECIALLY ski! :blink

[RandyWayne]

It is very impractical, but again, they're trying to have fun and still obey rules or abide by their own convictions. Either way, I'm appreciative when people get their families out of the house and try to have a nice time. I know way too many Apostolics who answer the problem by being couch potatoes and staying at home all the time. That's way worse, IMO.

That said, there are some things you simply can't do modestly or safely in a skirt. ESPECIALLY ski! :blink

I hear ya. If one really follows the rules there isn't much to do besides sit at home staring at the place there WOULD be a television if they were permitted, or playing a board game (with a spinner -NO dice allowed), sitting at church 3-30 times a week, or standing inline at the local Old Country Buffet.

[MissBrattified]

I hear ya. If one really follows the rules there isn't much to do besides sit at home staring at the place there WOULD be a television if they were permitted, or playing a board game (with a spinner -NO dice allowed), sitting at church 3-30 times a week, or standing inline at the local Old Country Buffet.

:toofunny

I honestly feel like it lately. My music dept. sabbatical is over, and I'm back in with both feet. Goodness! Sunday church (early for choir), Monday nights 1-2x/mth - Burmese-English class, Tuesdays are now going to be music practice 2-3x/mth, Wednesday night bible classes (I teach), Thursday night ACTS class 1-2/month. Plus homeschool & kids activities plugged in wherever possible.

If I didn't have a day-timer, I'd be very, VERY frazzled. That thing keeps me sane.

[Trouvere]

I have seen Muslim women wear a very similar bathing suit to Pensacola Beach to swim at night. We went out to the board walk all the time for hot dogs and there they were in full array with head coverings and all.

[POWERUP]

:thumbsupThank you Mrs. B. I meant no harm

[*AQuietPlace*]

I was raised all of my life swimming in clothes. Jean skirts, jeans (on the males), etc. Our whole church would go to the lake and go swimming in full denim garb. It never bothered me at all.

My husband, who wasn't raised in church, was embarrassed by it. He felt completely stupid. But, I was just having fun and didn't care who didn't like it. Neither of us was wrong, we just felt differently about it.

BUT.... people around us probably did think we were completely crazy, and THEY weren't wrong either! Their opinion was completely valid. It IS very odd to go swimming in denim. It's unusual to go swimming in your everyday clothes. So, there would be no point in us being offended that they thought we were strange. They had a valid opinion.

But, they didn't come over with a gun and tell us we couldn't do it, so all was good. We were exercising our freedom, and they were exercising their freedom of opinion.

[POWERUP]

Quiteplace,
We did the same thing. We used to go canoeing all the time in denium. I would say that
it didn't bother me...............but it did a little.

We rolled our pants up to our knees..........knee shorts would have been so much better.:foottap

We can call it conviction all we want, but everybody around me wanted to have on a
pair of shorts!!:thumbsup

[*AQuietPlace*]

Quiteplace,
We did the same thing. We used to go canoeing all the time in denium. I would say that
it didn't bother me...............but it did a little.

We rolled our pants up to our knees..........knee shorts would have been so much better.:foottap

We can call it conviction all we want, but everybody around me wanted to have on a
pair of shorts!!:thumbsup
The people I was with.... it bothered some, and not others. I heard some talking about how the girls coming out of the water pulling their clinging clothes from their bodies was more distracting than if they'd just been wearing normal swim clothes.

Of course, a lot of churches solved that problem by not allowing males and females to swim in the same area.

[POWERUP]

:angry1I'm skeered to say anything!!!! Lady Rev. putting a whipping on me this morning!!

[MissBrattified]

:angry1I'm skeered to say anything!!!!

LOL!!! I'm sorry, POWERUP. It was not my intent to make you feel that you couldn't express your opinion.

I think the words "stupid" and "ignorant" were the ones that ticked me off. If you could just avoid those, we'd all be a little happier. :D :D :D

I don't even let me kids use the "s" word. :blink

I do understand that conservative pentecostals stand out from the crowd under normal circumstances, and when they take on certain environments or activities, they can stick out like a sore thumb. I know I have certainly stood out from the crowd before. It wasn't on purpose--it just happened because I dress differently from other people on a regular basis, and that's more visible under certain circumstances.

I don't think it makes people stupid or ignorant to follow their convictions. They may LOOK weird or stupid to other people, but that doesn't mean it's the case. As Christians, we should try not to mock our brothers and sisters for abiding by their convictions. Remember what Paul said about brothers and meat and weaknesses? He didn't mock his brothers for stumbling over eating meat. He made room for it.

[POWERUP]

:sadMrs. B.,

Really I am sorry for saying those words. Honestly.

It was stupid of me, and me sound ignorant!!!

But I wasn't saying the person was stupid or ignorant. Just the situation.

Hope ya have a great weekend.:sorry

[MissBrattified]

:sadMrs. B.,

Really I am sorry for saying those words. Honestly.

It was stupid of me, and me sound ignorant!!!

But I wasn't saying the person was stupid or ignorant. Just the situation.

Hope ya have a great weekend.:sorry

Great. Now I'm feeling bad. LOL!!!!! Stop apologizing--I'm over it--and I did have a knee-jerk reaction yesterday. :D

[POWERUP]

:thumbsupMaybe Lady Rev. will be as forgiving..............Lol..........I'm just messing with you guys!!!

[RandyWayne]

When we were in the UPC in the 80's we were just never allowed to go swimming regardless of what we wore. It was a "guilty by association" thing where you were not allowed to do something if it was too similar to something else you were not allowed to do -and this could (and did) often go more then just one step removed.

[MawMaw]

:neenerMrs. B,

I thought that was aimed at me. You said yourself it was more offensive if someone jumped in a lake with thier regular clothes!!!

So why get on a log ride and not want to get wet!!!!!

Just like last year when we were at the local water park, and this family came in
and got on all the rides in jeans and skirts!!! You look stupid!!! Go home and play in
the shower!!

You not Holy!Your ignorant!!

What a hateful and mean spirited post!

Those people have every right to go to the water park and wear what they choose, just like the almost nekkid people do! :razz

[POWERUP]

:shockamoo:blahLacey, Lacey...............I have sought the Lord all weekend in trying to get forgiveness
for my horrible display of words last week!!

Now you are rolling into this thread like a freight train with no brakes!! Don't say you
couldn't help it either.

Sure you could help it. Couldn't you? I'm listening...............You just had to put your 2
cents in.:grampa

But I will go on the record as saying............If folks want to go to a water park fully dressed...................... Let them knock thier self out!!

Just don't do it in the name of Holliness!!!! Trust me............you will have a hard time
explaining as to why you are a water park, in the first place.

Have a Nice Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MawMaw]

:shockamoo:blahLacey, Lacey...............I have sought the Lord all weekend in trying to get forgiveness
for my horrible display of words last week!!

Now you are rolling into this thread like a freight train with no brakes!! Don't say you
couldn't help it either.

Sure you could help it. Couldn't you? I'm listening...............You just had to put your 2
cents in.:grampa

But I will go on the record as saying............If folks want to go to a water park fully dressed...................... Let them knock thier self out!!

Just don't do it in the name of Holliness!!!! Trust me............you will have a hard time
explaining as to why you are a water park, in the first place.

Have a Nice Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

uh huh sure you did! :bigbaby

[Timmy]

When we were in the UPC in the 80's we were just never allowed to go swimming regardless of what we wore. It was a "guilty by association" thing where you were not allowed to do something if it was too similar to something else you were not allowed to do -and this could (and did) often go more then just one step removed.

How many steps removed is enough? :hmmm

[MrsMcD]

How many steps removed is enough? :hmmm

:toofunny:toofunny:toofunny

[Timmy]

:toofunny:toofunny:toofunny

It wouldn't take many, before ya couldn't go anywhere or do anything! Literally!

[POWERUP]

:thumbsupLacey,

Honestly I did feel a little bad..............Just not like me to go off like that.

[missourimary]

How many steps removed is enough? :hmmm

I've always heard it preached this way: a rich man was hiring a chauffer for his little daughter. He interviewed several drivers and asked each "If you were driving up a steep mountain, with mountain on one side and a cliff dropping straight off on the other, how close to the edge would you get?" The first said, "Sir, I can drive a car with the tires right on the edge of the drop." The second said, "Sir, I could drive on the shoulder without concern for your daughter's safety." The third replied, "Why, I'd stay as far from the cliff as possible!" The man immediately hired the third driver.


Which is fine til you consider that a man who drives too close to the mountainside can be just as dangerous as the one driving too close to the cliff.

:largehalo

[RandyWayne]

How many steps removed is enough? :hmmm

Well, if you look at it this way: We didn't do A because it was too similar to B, which in turn was too similar to C, but even though it is just two steps removed, A bares very little likeness to C -never mind the original sin (which may be the most biblical-principle like), D.

[Timmy]

I've always heard it preached this way: a rich man was hiring a chauffer for his little daughter. He interviewed several drivers and asked each "If you were driving up a steep mountain, with mountain on one side and a cliff dropping straight off on the other, how close to the edge would you get?" The first said, "Sir, I can drive a car with the tires right on the edge of the drop." The second said, "Sir, I could drive on the shoulder without concern for your daughter's safety." The third replied, "Why, I'd stay as far from the cliff as possible!" The man immediately hired the third driver.


Which is fine til you consider that a man who drives too close to the mountainside can be just as dangerous as the one driving too close to the cliff.

:largehalo

:lol

[RandyWayne]

I've always heard it preached this way: a rich man was hiring a chauffer for his little daughter. He interviewed several drivers and asked each "If you were driving up a steep mountain, with mountain on one side and a cliff dropping straight off on the other, how close to the edge would you get?" The first said, "Sir, I can drive a car with the tires right on the edge of the drop." The second said, "Sir, I could drive on the shoulder without concern for your daughter's safety." The third replied, "Why, I'd stay as far from the cliff as possible!" The man immediately hired the third driver.


Which is fine til you consider that a man who drives too close to the mountainside can be just as dangerous as the one driving too close to the cliff.

:largehalo

And no doubt also helps to create road rage in those driving behind him or her because of their tendency to drive under the speed limit thus slowing ALL the cars behind them to a crawl.

[missourimary]

And no doubt also helps to create road rage in those driving behind him or her because of their tendency to drive under the speed limit thus slowing ALL the cars behind them to a crawl.

Yeah, or could be driving on the wrong side of the road!

[Timmy]

Yeah, or could be driving on the wrong side of the road!

:spit :spit :spit :ursofunny :ursofunny :ursofunny

POTD!!

:thumbsup
:thumbsup
:thumbsup

[missourimary]

LOL There is a danger in analogies, isn't there!?! I didn't mean it quite the way it might be read, but that too... :winkgrin

[Timmy]

LOL There is a danger in analogies, isn't there!?! I didn't mean it quite the way it might be read, but that too... :winkgrin

I'll read it however I want to, to get the most out of it! :heeheehee

[RandyWayne]

LOL There is a danger in analogies, isn't there!?! I didn't mean it quite the way it might be read, but that too... :winkgrin

Here is a good one for you!

Sometimes it is far safer to climb over the mountain despite the snow, cold, and cliffs, then it is to go through the mines.

[Timmy]

Here is a good one for you!

Sometimes it is far safer to climb over the mountain despite the snow, cold, and cliffs, then it is to go through the mines.

Yep. Balrogs.

[LadyRev]

:blahLady Rev. you need to go jump in the ocean and cool off!LOL..... I wasn't bashing anyone!

Go back and read the post that I wrote later................you will have a better understanding of what I was trying to say.

oh! who's legs you calling ugly? Mine are not! For the record, I don't have a husband!!

I am the husband!! Look who's bashing now!! You don't know anything about me, and you talking trash.

Go get on a log ride!!:ursofunny

I, for one, never said that I wasn't bashing. Because I am doing exactly that!

For any liberal that the shoe fits, PUT IT ON!

If you fit the description of a LIB that whines and cries about how they are treated by CONS or even moderates for that matter, and then you turn around and do and say the exact same things, you are no better, no different and you need a box of tissues for your issues!

I do and will ride a log ride any ole time I want to, wearing anything I so choose just like the rest of you. In fact, I've even been parasailing in Sandusky Ohio and it was wonderful!

Where do some of you get off telling people what they can wear and where they can go based on apparel?

I have friends on here that are very liberal. I don't judge and criticize them and they don't judge and criticize me. They don't run around making a mockery of my beliefs and practices and I don't make a mockery of their beliefs and practices.

But this nonsense on this forum is going way overboard. Its one thing to discuss matters and another to make a mockery.

Yes, I have retaliated and should not be doing so. I don't want to come here and read mockery...and its not just apparel thats been/being mocked.

To my liberal friends, please excuse me. I'm just disgusted with a few and those few are not you.

[Pressing-On]

I, for one, never said that I wasn't bashing. Because I am doing exactly that!

For any liberal that the shoe fits, PUT IT ON!

If you fit the description of a LIB that whines and cries about how they are treated by CONS or even moderates for that matter, and then you turn around and do and say the exact same things, you are no better, no different and you need a box of tissues for your issues!

I do and will ride a log ride any ole time I want to, wearing anything I so choose just like the rest of you. In fact, I've even been parasailing in Sandusky Ohio and it was wonderful!

Where do some of you get off telling people what they can wear and where they can go based on apparel?

I have friends on here that are very liberal. I don't judge and criticize them and they don't judge and criticize me. They don't run around making a mockery of my beliefs and practices and I don't make a mockery of their beliefs and practices.

But this nonsense on this forum is going way overboard. Its one thing to discuss matters and another to make a mockery.

Yes, I have retaliated and should not be doing so. I don't want to come here and read mockery...and its not just apparel thats been/being mocked.

To my liberal friends, please excuse me. I'm just disgusted with a few and those few are not you.

:woohoo :woohoo

LadyRev is in da house!!! Preach it, girl! :thumbsup :toofunny

[POWERUP]

O Boy!!! I have awakened a sleeping Giant......................Well, where do I start? First of
all ,I don't listen to people that holler at me. I just look at them really weird.

I wasn't mocking anyone. I was stating the obvious. If you want to ride a log ride. Go
for it! I never said you couldn't.

My main point was the couple fully dressed at the water park!!!

Other point being that ,they make look conserative, but are far from it if they are at a
water park!!:foottap

In closing, Lady Rev. I hope you are happy now!! I had already gotten forgiveness for
my wrong doings.

Now you have come and opened old wounds. Let it go girl!!!:snapout

Have a nice day!!!!!

[allstate1]

OK!! I am confusssed!!! I have heard a very conservative pastor in MS ,maybe even the pastor of the folks with the trash bags, say that watching football was a sin for men b/c they only wanna see the cheerleaders in skimpy outfits, and have heard hours of screaming about men looking at immodest women but you can go to a water park where there is skin everywhere??? I had a 18 year old very athletic cousin who was swimming in a pond in denim jeans and drown because of catching cramps due to the wieght of wet wranglers!!!!

[MawMaw]

:woohoo :woohoo

LadyRev is in da house!!! Preach it, girl! :thumbsup :toofunny

:toofunny LOL........she was shootin from both hips!! :guns: I love it!! :thumbsup

[Pressing-On]

:toofunny LOL........she was shootin from both hips!! :guns: I love it!! :thumbsup

LadyRev is great - just comes boiling out when she needs to. :toofunny

She does have a point when she said, and this is not against PowerUp, "Where do some of you get off telling people what they can wear and where they can go based on apparel?"

I don't think some realize that, as they are criticizing the Conservatives, they are doing the same thing they accuse the Conservatives of doing - forcing a dress code. LOL! Hilarious!

Her comments go along with Bratti's, which I totally agree with:


Personally, I find it ironic and contradictory for liberals to demand personal liberty, but mock conservative people the liberty to practice their beliefs. It's done in a way that would seek to deny them the liberty to practice their convictions. At least, deny them the opportunity to do it without being ostracized, mocked, insulted or disrespected.

[Walks_in_islam]

As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

I, for one, never said that I wasn't bashing. Because I am doing exactly that!

For any liberal that the shoe fits, PUT IT ON!

If you fit the description of a LIB that whines and cries about how they are treated by CONS or even moderates for that matter, and then you turn around and do and say the exact same things, you are no better, no different and you need a box of tissues for your issues!

I do and will ride a log ride any ole time I want to, wearing anything I so choose just like the rest of you. In fact, I've even been parasailing in Sandusky Ohio and it was wonderful!

Where do some of you get off telling people what they can wear and where they can go based on apparel?

I have friends on here that are very liberal. I don't judge and criticize them and they don't judge and criticize me. They don't run around making a mockery of my beliefs and practices and I don't make a mockery of their beliefs and practices.

But this nonsense on this forum is going way overboard. Its one thing to discuss matters and another to make a mockery.

Yes, I have retaliated and should not be doing so. I don't want to come here and read mockery...and its not just apparel thats been/being mocked.

To my liberal friends, please excuse me. I'm just disgusted with a few and those few are not you.

[*AQuietPlace*]

She does have a point when she said, and this is not against PowerUp, "Where do some of you get off telling people what they can wear and where they can go based on apparel?"

I don't think some realize that, as they are criticizing the Conservatives, they are doing the same thing they accuse the Conservatives of doing - forcing a dress code. LOL! Hilarious!



Not quite the same. Libs don't tell conservatives that they'll go to hell for swimming in blue jeans. They (some) just think it looks odd and can be unsafe.

There is a bit of a difference. ;)

[RandyWayne]

OK!! I am confusssed!!! I have heard a very conservative pastor in MS ,maybe even the pastor of the folks with the trash bags, say that watching football was a sin for men b/c they only wanna see the cheerleaders in skimpy outfits, and have heard hours of screaming about men looking at immodest women but you can go to a water park where there is skin everywhere??? I had a 18 year old very athletic cousin who was swimming in a pond in denim jeans and drown because of catching cramps due to the wieght of wet wranglers!!!!


Actually, it is "pretty cheerleaders and last minute wins",

Are you ready for some football!!!
A Monday Night Party
This is Hank and I’m ready to get this big bash started
Get the teams on the field, kick it off, that’s right!
‘Cause All my rowdy friends play here on Monday Night!
Showtime!!

[Sam]

It's summer time girls! I found decent swim wear.

Hey! It's bifurcated and you know what those Bible scholars and the Bible say about "bifurcated garments."

[Pressing-On]

Not quite the same. Libs don't tell conservatives that they'll go to hell for swimming in blue jeans. They (some) just think it looks odd and can be unsafe.

There is a bit of a difference. ;)
I agree, on your point, that there is a "bit" of a difference. In ridicule and judgment, it's the same, IMO.

We have several churches in our city that are much more strict than we are. One thing I would never do is criticize them for what they believe. They sincerely believe that how they live is how God wants them to live. They sincerely feel that what they believe is what God wants them to believe. I would not touch that for the world. I know that the Word is true - "They that hunger and thirst for righteousness shall be filled." I don't have to stress over what other churches teach or how people choose to live. Birds of a feather will flock together. If I have a sincere relationship with God, He won't leave me and will forever lead and guide me - even unto death.

I am all for coming here, voluntarily, to discuss our views and interpretation of scripture - to debate the merits. I am not for coming here and saying, as PowerUp has done, "Thank You!!! My point exactly. Drives me nuts when people say they are a witness by doing such!!! Wouldn't bring me to Christ!!! Stay at home!!!

Yes, he has agonized over that statement, but it was said and we must use the example because of the direction of the conversation. So sorry, PowerUp. Fair game! LOL!

That, IMO, is interfering in another person's personal business, beliefs and life. It is not discussing the merits of Biblical interpretation and I think that is what LadyRev and Abigail (by their quotes) have issue with. Both of their posts were from the heart and well done. We speak of being respectful to both sides, but we are not doing that in practice. Some of the things written on this thread are proof enough. I think we could do better, but we have discussed doing better since FCF and are still talking of doing better. I believe we may possibly be on a Merry-go-round. I wish the person turning it would stop so that we could all get off. LOL!

[Tammy]

Um actually how people dress at the beach or at an amusement park is really no one elses business.......unless of course they are naked, then of course we have the Law ( police) for that one.
I think that might free up alotta your minds..........:0)
That way you can all worry about ( make fun of) whatever the case might be.....other thingsssssss...........:0)

[longhairgirl]

It is very impractical, but again, they're trying to have fun and still obey rules or abide by their own convictions. Either way, I'm appreciative when people get their families out of the house and try to have a nice time. I know way too many Apostolics who answer the problem by being couch potatoes and staying at home all the time. That's way worse, IMO.

That said, there are some things you simply can't do modestly or safely in a skirt. ESPECIALLY ski! :blink

That's not true, all the ladies in my church have ski skirts:largehalo

Well, I haven't been apolstolic all my born days, which makes me more conservative than most (weird how that happens). I don't do ANYTHING in pants. And I happen to think some of those modest swimwear outfits are cute. I don't know if I would wear one (I'd have to give it a home test first), but I'm considering getting one for my 6 year old.

[RandyWayne]

That's not true, all the ladies in my church have ski skirts:largehalo

Well, I haven't been apolstolic all my born days, which makes me more conservative than most (weird how that happens). I don't do ANYTHING in pants. And I happen to think some of those modest swimwear outfits are cute. I don't know if I would wear one (I'd have to give it a home test first), but I'm considering getting one for my 6 year old.

OK, I will admit that skiing in a skirt can look.... pretty good.

http://files2.lookbook.nu/files/looks/medium/312090_n214401859_30716355_9290.jpg

But this is how it usually ends up looking.
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w113/RandyWayneD/Jokes/airborne-sledding-1.jpg

[Truthseeker]

my daughter wears a modest swim suit. Covers all that needs to be and has has styles at that.

[noeticknight]

OK, I will admit that skiing in a skirt can look.... pretty good.

http://files2.lookbook.nu/files/looks/medium/312090_n214401859_30716355_9290.jpg

But this is how it usually ends up looking.
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w113/RandyWayneD/Jokes/airborne-sledding-1.jpg

:toofunny:toofunny:toofunny

[DividedThigh]

thats funny, my wife dresses for the occasion, skiing, swimming etc,and i aint seen a woman as holy as her in my life, period, dt

[POWERUP]

Someone please steer me in the right direction. I never talked about the way someone
believed!:pullhair

I said it looks silly............Ok,Ok, I said stupid!! To wear jeans and skirts to a water park!:crazy

That don't have anything to do with what we believe! Its just plain _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _!!!

[DividedThigh]

thats right power up, modesty is the key, and that is always appropriate, not stupidity, lol

[POWERUP]

DividedThigh.....................I just got tickled about what I was wanting to post. Can
you tell me what would be modest or even moral for a woman to be coming down a
water slide at 35 mph!!

Skirt over her head, look of pure terror on her face, and everyone knowing what store she shops at.................Just saying.....:neener

[MrsMcD]

OK, I will admit that skiing in a skirt can look.... pretty good.

http://files2.lookbook.nu/files/looks/medium/312090_n214401859_30716355_9290.jpg

But this is how it usually ends up looking.
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w113/RandyWayneD/Jokes/airborne-sledding-1.jpg

:slaphappy:slaphappy:slaphappy:slaphappy:slaphappy :slaphappy

[POWERUP]

I am not even going to comment!!!!!!

[Jeffrey]

For whatever weird reason, I was thinking about this thread when I woke up this morning. I tend to do that a lot. I'm strange.

Anyway, the brilliant thought that was banging around in my brain is this:

It's not how much skin you have covered that makes people stare and think you're weird. It just comes down to appropriate and inappropriate attire. You could wear a wet suit which covers you from your wrists, to your neck, to your ankles. Wear that at the ocean, and no one will give you a second glance. Wear a three-piece suit and tie, and jump in, and everyone's eyes will bug out. Wear a three-piece suit and tie to Six Flags and people will do a double take. Wear jeans and a t-shirt to Six Flags, and no one will notice you're there. It's not the amount of skin that's 'not' showing, it's just that some attire has specific uses, and if you wear it to a place where it doesn't 'suit the occasion', people will notice.

I wouldn't wear a prom dress to go hiking, and I wouldn't wear hiking boots and denim to the prom. We have attire that we think is appropriate for certain occasions.

So, MissB, I doubt that very many people find it odd when you and your daughters wear long swim shorts and rash guard shirts. That's appropriate attire for the water. But denim does get glances because everyone knows how heavy it gets in water, plus most people think it's weird to swim in everyday clothes.

Of course it's a free country, and we can all do what we want. As a matter of fact, I was wading in a stream just a few days ago, in a jean skirt. I didn't care what anyone thought at the time. But, there's no sense in denying that some people might think it's weird, and for good reason. Not because too much skin was covered, and they think that's strange.... no, just because it's not appropriate attire for the occasion.

I think you hit the definition of modesty on the head.

However, how much it too much skin? Should followers of Jesus parade around almost naked? Thong bikini? Two piece or one? Shorts and t-shirt?

Love is more important than liberty (Romans 14). Which shows more love for one another?

Just questions.

[Jeffrey]

No one is.

And let's get real here. If you are a genuine, committed, absolute stickler for modesty at all times, in all situations... swimming period is not modest, no matter what you're wearing. Water makes whatever you are wearing cling to your body.

True again. (You are on a roll!)

[Jeffrey]

Really, this thread rubbed me the wrong way yesterday. I probably took it more seriously than I should have. However, my stance is still the same: Let people wear whatever they like, and don't be overly bothered when people do strange things. More importantly, don't infer their motives for them. Most people are just trying to live their lives and have fun with their families within the boundaries they've set or have been given.

Don't beat them up over it, even if they do end up looking a little weird. :thumbsup

All good advice.

And now, a new believer comes to you and sincerely wants to know what is appropriate to go swimming in at the church campout. What are you going to say?

[ILG]

I haven't read this thread, but after being out of the church for five years, I still wear my wholesome wear swimsuit.

http://www.wholesomewear.com/culotte-a.html

Some people are really concerned with looking different, but if all the lemmings go out to the sea, I hope to be going the other direction. This swimsuit covers a lot. I might try one a little different next time, but this idea that you have to bare it all so you can swim and not be laughed at is ridiculous. I dunno.....if someone is happy in a bikini, so be it, just let me do my own thing.

[Jeffrey]

Not quite the same. Libs don't tell conservatives that they'll go to hell for swimming in blue jeans. They (some) just think it looks odd and can be unsafe.

There is a bit of a difference. ;)

Post #3 on target! Sheesh... cool down.

[Jeffrey]

Um actually how people dress at the beach or at an amusement park is really no one elses business.......unless of course they are naked, then of course we have the Law ( police) for that one.
I think that might free up alotta your minds..........:0)
That way you can all worry about ( make fun of) whatever the case might be.....other thingsssssss...........:0)

Define naked.

[Jeffrey]

I haven't read this thread, but after being out of the church for five years, I still wear my wholesome wear swimsuit.

http://www.wholesomewear.com/culotte-a.html

Some people are really concerned with looking different, but if all the lemmings go out to the sea, I hope to be going the other direction. This swimsuit covers a lot. I might try one a little different next time, but this idea that you have to bare it all so you can swim and not be laughed at is ridiculous. I dunno.....if someone is happy in a bikini, so be it, just let me do my own thing.

You make a good point.

Even though the attire on link is certainly not my style.

[Sam]

Well, I haven't read most of the stuff in this topic.

But, just looking at the first picture shows how ungodly this is.
She plainly has on a bifurcated garment, and y'all know what the Bible says about "bifurcated" garments.

Some time back on this or the prior forum there was a picture of MOW relaxing on the beach. The picture didn't show his speedo, just his painted toenails but it did show some ladies in pretty moderate swim wear.

Since the picture may not have been seen by some of the newer folks, I'll include it below. I don't think MOW has it copyrighted so there may be no legal problem.

[ILG]

You make a good point.

Even though the attire on link is certainly not my style.

Whoever got women to disrobe to swim and then pressure other women to disrobe to swim must have been a male genius who owned a pair of binoculars. :ursofunny But, most of us wouldn't look that great in a bikini anymore and the world should be passing out wholesome wear swimsuits by the dozens.:thumbsup

[Jeffrey]

Whoever got women to disrobe to swim and then pressure other women to disrobe to swim must have been a male genius who owned a pair of binoculars. :ursofunny But, most of us wouldn't look that great in a bikini anymore and the world should be passing out wholesome wear swimsuits by the dozens.:thumbsup

Ha Right!

But how much covering up? What makes it "wholesome?"

[ILG]

Ha Right!

But how much covering up? What makes it "wholesome?"

I think women should be taught not to disrobe more than they are comfortable with. When I was growing up, I wore a bikini to the beach every day and in the spring, my girlfriends and I always felt naked and oogled until everyone got used to it for the year. There seems to be a problem in our culture there. We wore what was sold as "right" for us to wear. Changing that societal trend would be incredibly difficult at this late date.

[Jeffrey]

I think women should be taught not to disrobe more than they are comfortable with. When I was growing up, I wore a bikini to the beach every day and in the spring, my girlfriends and I always felt naked and oogled until everyone got used to it for the year. There seems to be a problem in our culture there. We wore what was sold as "right" for us to wear. Changing that societal trend would be incredibly difficult at this late date.

It's just a subjective matter of personal comfort?

Good point about societal trend. But there must be some discretion about bathing suits -- which are overboard and which aren't. Do believers on here, that wear bathing suits, sport thong bikinis? What are you personal guidelines there?

What about the comfort/discomfort of others? Beaches are hijacked by practically nude people. Others would say "don't go to the beach" -- but that doesn't seem fair. Everyone should be able to enjoy the beach. Should we expand nude beaches, and then have more conservatively-dressed beaches as well? But I'm not sure what "conservatively dressed" beaches would even look like. Surely not the image that started this thread.

[ILG]

It's just a subjective matter of personal comfort?

Good point about societal trend. But there must be some discretion about bathing suits -- which are overboard and which aren't. Do believers on here, that wear bathing suits, sport thong bikinis? What are you personal guidelines there?

What about the comfort/discomfort of others? Beaches are hijacked by practically nude people. Others would say "don't go to the beach" -- but that doesn't seem fair. Everyone should be able to enjoy the beach. Should we expand nude beaches, and then have more conservatively-dressed beaches as well? But I'm not sure what "conservatively dressed" beaches would even look like. Surely not the image that started this thread.

I think it is largely subjective. If every woman did only what she was truly comfortable with regardless of societal pressure, it is hard to say what beaches would look like. I know I did not understand anything about male "visual" issues until long after I was married. Mostly, I think it is hard for women to understand. I think women should try and be respectful to male battles and men should be respectful to women's battles. It's not a perfect world. No matter what people do in any direction, someone will be offended.

[DividedThigh]

well first of all, my wife does wear a swim suit, but she also always if anyone else is around wears a cover, that comes to her knees, and also on a water slide would wear a pair of my jogging shorts, also to her knees under the cover and over the suit, dt

[DividedThigh]

Whoever got women to disrobe to swim and then pressure other women to disrobe to swim must have been a male genius who owned a pair of binoculars. :ursofunny But, most of us wouldn't look that great in a bikini anymore and the world should be passing out wholesome wear swimsuits by the dozens.:thumbsup

true and funny, a perfect match, lol:razz

[Jeffrey]

well first of all, my wife does wear a swim suit, but she also always if anyone else is around wears a cover, that comes to her knees, and also on a water slide would wear a pair of my jogging shorts, also to her knees under the cover and over the suit, dt

Anyone other than you being around? Okay with family, close friends?

Jogging shorts on a water slide? Isn't that dangerous?

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace* View Post
For whatever weird reason, I was thinking about this thread when I woke up this morning. I tend to do that a lot. I'm strange.

Anyway, the brilliant thought that was banging around in my brain is this:

It's not how much skin you have covered that makes people stare and think you're weird. It just comes down to appropriate and inappropriate attire. You could wear a wet suit which covers you from your wrists, to your neck, to your ankles. Wear that at the ocean, and no one will give you a second glance. Wear a three-piece suit and tie, and jump in, and everyone's eyes will bug out. Wear a three-piece suit and tie to Six Flags and people will do a double take. Wear jeans and a t-shirt to Six Flags, and no one will notice you're there. It's not the amount of skin that's 'not' showing, it's just that some attire has specific uses, and if you wear it to a place where it doesn't 'suit the occasion', people will notice.

I wouldn't wear a prom dress to go hiking, and I wouldn't wear hiking boots and denim to the prom. We have attire that we think is appropriate for certain occasions.

So, MissB, I doubt that very many people find it odd when you and your daughters wear long swim shorts and rash guard shirts. That's appropriate attire for the water. But denim does get glances because everyone knows how heavy it gets in water, plus most people think it's weird to swim in everyday clothes.

Of course it's a free country, and we can all do what we want. As a matter of fact, I was wading in a stream just a few days ago, in a jean skirt. I didn't care what anyone thought at the time. But, there's no sense in denying that some people might think it's weird, and for good reason. Not because too much skin was covered, and they think that's strange.... no, just because it's not appropriate attire for the occasion.

Great post! It really is about appropriate as opposed to inappropriate (standing out for the purpose of standing out). If your going to stand out, stand out for the RIGHT reasons not just to be "different", or because you look like a freak.

Some INappropriate swimwear.
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[*AQuietPlace*]

I think you hit the definition of modesty on the head.

However, how much it too much skin? Should followers of Jesus parade around almost naked? Thong bikini? Two piece or one? Shorts and t-shirt?

Love is more important than liberty (Romans 14). Which shows more love for one another?

Just questions.
I think the guideline for this should be the same guideline I live the rest of my life by..... 'Love God, Love Your Neighbor'. Regarding swimsuits, I still have the guideline that I wouldn't want to cause a weak brother to stumble.

If I'm going to be around a godly man, and he's going to have to avert his eyes to keep from seeing things that make him feel uncomfortable.... then I'd feel I was dressed immodestly.

I think MissB's solution of swim shorts and rash guard shirts is a great solution. I've also seen swimsuits that have pretty high necklines... coupled with swim shorts, they can be pretty modest.

I don't think the Bible declares how much skin is too much, so I think it falls under the heading of consideration for those around us. Most of us have the common sense to know when we're showing too much.

[Jeffrey]

AQP I think the guideline for this should be the same guideline I live the rest of my life by..... 'Love God, Love Your Neighbor'. Regarding swimsuits, I still have the guideline that I wouldn't want to cause a weak brother to stumble. Right.

If I'm going to be around a godly man, and he's going to have to avert his eyes to keep from seeing things that make him feel uncomfortable.... then I'd feel I was dressed immodestly. Do you go change at that point, or are you aware what "that point" is? What is it?

I think MissB's solution of swim shorts and rash guard shirts is a great solution. I've also seen swimsuits that have pretty high necklines... coupled with swim shorts, they can be pretty modest. agree

I don't think the Bible declares how much skin is too much, so I think it falls under the heading of consideration for those around us. Most of us have the common sense to know when we're showing too much.

What is that though? Cleavage point? Underwear? I mean, at most beaches you can wear anything. I think it's the nipple that makes things off limits. I'm not sure it's that common. If anything is common, it's because A&F influences swimwear.

[MrsMcD]

My parents live on a lake and I wear a swim suit when it is just family. If others are there, I wear shorts and a rash guard over my swim suit. Most of the time I wear shorts and a rash guard regardless because it is just more comfortable to me since I am usually jet skiing, skiing, etc.

[*AQuietPlace*]

What is that though? Cleavage point? Underwear? I mean, at most beaches you can wear anything. I think it's the nipple that makes things off limits. I'm not sure it's that common. If anything is common, it's because A&F influences swimwear.
I don't try to set guidelines for other people. Everyone needs to answer to God for their own conscience.

For me - no cleavage, arm openings that fit snugly, no bare backs, and shorts that are at least fingertip length. Basically, swim shorts and swim shirt. :)

And what's HILARIOUS is that ultra-cons will think I'm a devil for showing this much, and people who are more liberal than me will probably think - oh, fuddy duddy! :D

[Walks_in_islam]

Sam: Some of us are ignorant. Please give chapter and verse and educate the ignorant among us as to exactly what the bible says about bifurcated garments. After the bifurcation lesson then summarize what the "jesus name apostolic preachers" say about bifurcated garments. Then: feel free to comment at will on what the bible says about adding stuff to the bible.

and Yes - my wife wears a "bourkini" on the rare occasions that she goes swimming.

wii

Well, I haven't read most of the stuff in this topic.

But, just looking at the first picture shows how ungodly this is.
She plainly has on a bifurcated garment, and y'all know what the Bible says about "bifurcated" garments.

Some time back on this or the prior forum there was a picture of MOW relaxing on the beach. The picture didn't show his speedo, just his painted toenails but it did show some ladies in pretty moderate swim wear.

Since the picture may not have been seen by some of the newer folks, I'll include it below. I don't think MOW has it copyrighted so there may be no legal problem.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Sam: Some of us are ignorant. Please give chapter and verse and educate the ignorant among us as to exactly what the bible says about bifurcated garments. After the bifurcation lesson then summarize what the "jesus name apostolic preachers" say about bifurcated garments. Then: feel free to comment at will on what the bible says about adding stuff to the bible.

and Yes - my wife wears a "bourkini" on the rare occasions that she goes swimming.

wii
Sam was joking.

[Jeffrey]

I don't try to set guidelines for other people. Everyone needs to answer to God for their own conscience.

For me - no cleavage, arm openings that fit snugly, no bare backs, and shorts that are at least fingertip length. Basically, swim shorts and swim shirt. :)

And what's HILARIOUS is that ultra-cons will think I'm a devil for showing this much, and people who are more liberal than me will probably think - oh, fuddy duddy! :D

I wasn't trying to see if you would set guidelines for others, I was asking the group to see the logic in how they drew up their own.


What you described is classy IMO.

[*AQuietPlace*]

I was asking the group to see the logic in how they drew up their own.

I'm not sure what you mean.

[Jeffrey]

I'm not sure what you mean.

In other words, what you just did. You explained how much is too much to you. I wanted to hear someone's own logic, not necessarily trying to apply a general rule for all. Your response did just that.

People were saying general things like "not too much" but not really saying what exactly what too much.

[Walks_in_islam]

i know he was. <grins> who knows the question gets answered?

Sam was joking.