if your oneness but not UPC what are you?

[Mrs.Kelly]

I am a bit confused on this, are there other oneness organizations?

Do they believe in the apostles doctrine firmly, just without the "Holiness Standards"

Thanks :thumbsup

[missourimary]

There are other Oneness organizations.
Here are a couple:
Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship: generally a bit more conservative than UPC, new org, same basic doctrine
Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ: same basic doctrine. The organization is not new, they just never merged with the UPCI. I'd say their holiness standards are about the same as the UPC's. Maybe a bit more liberal than some.
Pentecostal Assemblies of the World: as far as I know, same basic doctrine. The organization isn't new, they don't take quite as strict a stand on "outward holiness".
There are also several loosely organized fellowships (not official organizations) and Independent churches, and a few more orgs I can't think of right now. They vary on "standards" but all teach the same basic Acts 2:38 doctrine.

[*AQuietPlace*]

A lot these days are simply going under the heading of 'non-denominational'.

[MrsMcD]

A lot these days are simply going under the heading of 'non-denominational'.

I wonder why. My husband did some work for a church here in my city and the pastor ending up being a PAW pastor so he invited us to visit. I was trying to find the church in the phone book and there was nothing anywhere that identified them as PAW.

[*AQuietPlace*]

I wonder why. My husband did some work for a church here in my city and the pastor ending up being a PAW pastor so he invited us to visit. I was trying to find the church in the phone book and there was nothing anywhere that identified them as PAW.
A lot are, because while they are oneness, and believe in Spirit infilling, there are many other issues with which they disagree with "Pentecostal" churches. So they no longer feel they should, or want to, use the label "Pentecostal". For many people, the label "Pentecostal" still pretty much links you to the belief system of the UPC.

[mizpeh]

I am a bit confused on this, are there other oneness organizations?

Do they believe in the apostles doctrine firmly, just without the "Holiness Standards"

Thanks :thumbsupMany. I'll let you do the research. Here's a link you can start with. All I did was google "Oneness Pentecostal organizations". I believe Talmadge French has some stats also.


http://www.apostolic-churches.com/organizations.html

There are many OP independent churches as well.

There are many churches that believe in Jesus name baptism and receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking with other tongues and the Oneness of God that believe a person is saved/justified at faith and repentance.

They also believe in living a life of holiness but not a legalistic holiness.

[Mrs.Kelly]

Thank you Mary

Also I guess I wonder if there are any churches that believe in "Biblical Modestly" But not the strict stance on hair. Cut vs. Uncut Not looking to debate my opinion on it just wondering if such a church exists. (I am uncut not to split hairs I don't see where it teaches a woman to cut. And I don't see where it teaches to be uncut but it does say that a woman's long hair is her covering)

I am learning there is a lot out there that I never knew before. I have talked with my husband and we know that all churches/organizations may not be 100% correct in everything, that compromises are made here and there but what compromises are being made and for what purpose? Is the Holy Ghost leading the ministers and do they have the right as pastors to enforce their convictions if they are not strait out of the Word. I do think that it is ok if for safety sake we are warned of things that may not have been issues back when the gospels were written but I don't think they should be taught as heaven or hell issues.

[Mrs.Kelly]

Many. I'll let you do the research. Here's a link you can start with. All I did was google "Oneness Pentecostal organizations". I believe Talmadge French has some stats also.


http://www.apostolic-churches.com/organizations.html

There are many OP independent churches as well.

There are many churches that believe in Jesus name baptism and receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking with other tongues and the Oneness of God that believe a person is saved/justified at faith and repentance.

They also believe in living a life of holiness but not a legalistic holiness.

Thanks Mizpeh :thumbsup

[drummerboy_dave]

MrsK,

The AWCF (http://awcf.org) currently notes 181 orgs and over 20,000 ministers. This is excluding the UPCI which as I understand it, won't allow it's members to carry more than one affiliation.

Every person I know has standards and every apostolic I know, knows that without holiness no man shall see God. Am I to understand, that the "holiness standards" you're speaking of is primarily refering to "the UPC look/dress code"?

[Mrs.Kelly]

Dave,

Yes that is what I am referring to. I am not saying I am against standards/holiness/biblical modesty just trying to figure out where these different oneness churches/organizations stand on these issues.

I am looking through the site mizpeh posted now.

[coadie]

All the Jews were Oneness. Still are. The Christian concept came much later than Abraham,.
Holiness is a different group. Methodists used to be mostly labeled Holiness.
Now not so much.

[Digging4Truth]

Dave,

Yes that is what I am referring to. I am not saying I am against standards/holiness/biblical modesty just trying to figure out where these different oneness churches/organizations stand on these issues.

I am looking through the site mizpeh posted now.

Are you seeing any that look interesting?

[e3fe]

If you're "Oneness" but not UPC you're Apostolic! :thumbsup

I went through the same "revelation" several years ago. When we lived in Alaska, we met some folks while eating dinner that "looked UPC". Imagine our surprise when we found out that they had no idea what the UPC was! Never even heard of it. And yes, they believed and lived Acts 2:38 etc.

If you're traditional UPC, or think in those terms (not saying you are or do) these "revelations" can really shake things up!

The UPC does not have a monopoly on God or His Word!

[Praxeas]

I am a bit confused on this, are there other oneness organizations?

Do they believe in the apostles doctrine firmly, just without the "Holiness Standards"

Thanks :thumbsup
If you are Oneness but not a member of an organization called UPC, then you are a Christian with a particular theology called Oneness. There are many Oneness orgs

[Praxeas]

If you're "Oneness" but not UPC you're Apostolic! :thumbsup

I went through the same "revelation" several years ago. When we lived in Alaska, we met some folks while eating dinner that "looked UPC". Imagine our surprise when we found out that they had no idea what the UPC was! Never even heard of it. And yes, they believed and lived Acts 2:38 etc.

If you're traditional UPC, or think in those terms (not saying you are or do) these "revelations" can really shake things up!

The UPC does not have a monopoly on God or His Word!
The UPC is just an org and as an org does not claim a monopoly on God or His word. Generally speaking, as the word Apostolic is used by Oneness. Being a person that goes to a UPC church does not make you not Apostolic

[Digging4Truth]

The UPC is just an org and as an org does not claim a monopoly on God or His word. Generally speaking, as the word Apostolic is used by Oneness. Being a person that goes to a UPC church does not make you not Apostolic

Indeed.

[Justin]

The UPC is just an org and as an org does not claim a monopoly on God or His word. Generally speaking, as the word Apostolic is used by Oneness. Being a person that goes to a UPC church does not make you not Apostolic

Catholics also call themselves Apostolic.

[Praxeas]

Catholics also call themselves Apostolic.
They aren't the only ones. There are a group of protestants that call themselves Apostolic because they believe in apostles and apostolic gifts

[Mrs.Kelly]

I have always considered myself Apostolic. When our church went from ALJC to UPCi I was confused but told it was no different. I don't remember all the strictness before. But I was a new convert at the time so perhaps I wouldn't have. It was done to help our church, as we are a smaller congregation and some of the things from ALJC went away. The idea I think was to have more things to do. Camp, Conferences and such.

I love my pastor dearly and have very much respect for him. Just researching. He has always said if I preach to you anything that is not in the Word of God bring it to me. I also want to know what other Oneness believers believe. I am praying for the Lord to continues to lead me in the Holy Ghost.

Thanks for the info all!

[Michael The Disciple]

Are there any Orgs that teach Oneness and Acts 2:38 that do NOT teach womens hair cutting is a sin?

[Mrs.Kelly]

Are there any Orgs that teach Oneness and Acts 2:38 that do NOT teach womens hair cutting is a sin?

That was my same question and they gave links above to search out other oneness churches/organizations. They do not state the issue of standards. I wouldn't think that would be appropriate on a church mission statement anyway :)

[StillStanding]

I'll answer the question of this thread with one word: LOST!

(Sorry, I couldn't help it!) :D

[e3fe]

The UPC is just an org and as an org does not claim a monopoly on God or His word. Generally speaking, as the word Apostolic is used by Oneness. Being a person that goes to a UPC church does not make you not Apostolic

My post was basically TIC.

I wasn't saying that the UPC isn't Apostolic.