Pastor Blast A. Mangun, PAW, UPC, Jakes & Others in Scathing Article!

[Thad]

Reckart: http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/pentecostal/dakes.html



Just go down to about the second or 3rd Part it gets Real Good !!!!


Give me your opinion on this one !!!

[Ronzo]

Consider the source...

'Nuff said... Who cares what he thinks? And why bother giving this guy any press?



Next...............

[revrandy]

Reckart: http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/pentecostal/dakes.html



Just go down to about the second or 3rd Part it gets Real Good !!!!


Give me your opinion on this one !!!

Who is he? and Where is he located?


Is he UPC?

[Ronzo]

Who is he? and Where is he located?


Is he UPC?

He's holier than everyone.

[IAintMovin]

I have seen this before.....wasnt inpressed the first time - and still was not impressed - what little I read this time........

[IAintMovin]

Consider the source...

'Nuff said... Who cares what he thinks? And why bother giving this guy any press?



Next...............
OH MY!!!!



OH My!

OH my oh my oh my......










































we agree :) :) :) ;) ;)

[Thad]

Who is he? and Where is he located?


Is he UPC?

Randy

I don't know who he is - does anyone here ? This is the first I've Heard of him.

I doubt he is UPC the way he blast it - could be wrong though

[Thad]

I was just a little taken back when he said something about our downfall began when our churches started allowing wristwatches ???????


Did anyone else see that ???

[Ronzo]

Dude... this guy is one of the great "us four and no more" preachers. Fresh air is of the deddew with these guys.


Again... why bother giving this guy any net time? It's just as bad as giving Fred Phelps and his crew press...



Let him rant and rave on his own web site... and let us blissfully ignore him.

[RevDWW]

Should we send him this?:

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t42/RevDWW/Maxwell.jpg

[Ronzo]

Babylon!!!!!!

[Thad]

can someone give me some information on this Pastor?

where he is from, what group or Org. is he with, what church does he pastor?
does anyone know him ? This is the first i've heard of him

[SDG]

Should we send him this?:

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t42/RevDWW/Maxwell.jpg

He might lose his ... never mind ....

[SDG]

can someone give me some information on this Pastor?

where he is from, what group or Org. is he with, what church does he pastor?
does anyone know him ? This is the first i've heard of him

Islam:Osama Bin Laden :: Pentecost: _______________

[Thad]

O BOY Is POA ever going to catch hell fire for having that ! !


anyone have an opinion on them having this ?

[Thad]

Islam:Osama Bin Laden :: Pentecost: _______________


how do you know this ?

[revrandy]

This guy would be liked on CAF...

[SDG]

Shame on POA for bringing in experts in the field ... they need to bring in some backwood preacher types ... to share their infinite knowledge on the subject ....

[RevDWW]

O BOY Is POA ever going to catch hell fire for having that ! !


anyone have an opinion on them having this ?

We have done it for few years. What's the big deal? It's a business seminar, which just happens to draw business people to our church. Perhaps they'll come back to a service.............

[revrandy]

Ya gotta admit tho.. this is FUUUUNNNNYYYYY!!!!

"Daddy T.D. has given his doll-baby all her heart lusted after. You know she loves that man who "loosed her" when he said to her "woman be thou loosed." And she went out and bought some pants, some earrings, some make-up, some expensive clothes, and walked on stage to show off the "LOOSED WOMAN." She shows us the "loosed woman" T.D. makes of females when he lays his hands on them. Every woman T.D. has to preach for him is another of this breed of "loosed women." He does not honor or respect, or use any woman who is not loosed to look like a Jezebel!

[Ronzo]

Shame on POA for bringing in experts in the field ... they need to bring in some backwood preacher types ... to share their infinite knowledge on the subject ....
Because they got all that infinite knowledge by direct revelation from God.

No study invovled... none necessary.

[Rico]

Randy

I don't know who he is - does anyone here ? This is the first I've Heard of him.

I doubt he is UPC the way he blast it - could be wrong though

Thad, he's a nutjob, Bro. What more do you need to know? lol

[CC1]

Ya gotta admit tho.. this is FUUUUNNNNYYYYY!!!!

"Daddy T.D. has given his doll-baby all her heart lusted after. You know she loves that man who "loosed her" when he said to her "woman be thou loosed." And she went out and bought some pants, some earrings, some make-up, some expensive clothes, and walked on stage to show off the "LOOSED WOMAN." She shows us the "loosed woman" T.D. makes of females when he lays his hands on them. Every woman T.D. has to preach for him is another of this breed of "loosed women." He does not honor or respect, or use any woman who is not loosed to look like a Jezebel!

Don't know who this guy is but usually the ones pointing their finger so loudly at everybody else has some issues of their own.

[SDG]

and It's Free!!!!!!!!

[Thad]

Thad, he's a nutjob, Bro. What more do you need to know? lol


i would like to know his location and if he is UPC or other

[Ronzo]

Don't know who this guy is but usually the ones pointing their finger so loudly at everybody else has some issues of their own.
Bro... you don't know the half of it...

[Ronzo]

and It's Free!!!!!!!!
Oh... it's got a price, bro. It definitely has a price.

[SDG]

i would like to know his location and if he is UPC or other

Thad has it occurred to you that you should search the site you provide a link for ..... sheesh ....

http://jesus-messiah.com/html/new-church.html (http://jesus-messiah.com/html/new-church.html)

[revrandy]

Check this Out..

New Church Planned

Tampa, Florida--

Pastor Gary Reckart and congregation announce their plans to build a new temple. Below is a picture of the proposed building:



The congregation has found a building site and negotiations are underway to purchase and close rapidly.

Pastor Reckart has made several announcements concerning this new visionary worship center:

It will be the world headquarters of Jesus Messieh Fellowship International as well as the Apostolic Messianic Fellowship. It will also be the Acts 2:38 Church of Tampa Bay;

Groundbreaking is planned by the members on May 27th, 2007 Day of Pentecost. Pastor Reckart says he does not know of any other Apostolic Church in the world that was built beginning on the annual Day of Pentecost. This will be special to this Church and Ministry says Pastor Reckart;

It will have the names of all 12 Apostles engraved on a gold plate and placed in the foundation. Pastor Reckart says this temple will be the first one in the world where a foundation has the actual names of the Apostles placed in it;

On the day of dedication, the cornerstone will be laid by Pastor Reckart. It will contain the name of Lord Jesus Messieh, King of Israel, Prince of Jerusalem, and Almighty God. No other Church in all the world has done this reports Pastor Reckart;

The dedication will be special Pastor Reckart said. We will start out side with the land dedicated for the glory of the Lord and anointed; next the officials of the Church will then be dedicated and anointed; the musicians will then be anointed; all worship leaders will then be anointed; the side-post and lintel of the entry ways will be anointed. Thirty five white balloons will then be released representing the thirty five years of righteous and holy life and preaching of Pastor Reckart. The procession: Pastor Reckart will lead, his deacons will follow, then will come the musicians followed by the worship leaders and at last members, friends, and guests. We will enter these new gates with thanksgiving in our hearts. The musicians and worship leaders will take their place and begin to worship. Pastor Reckart will then dedicate the altar, the platform, and the podium/pulpit.

We will have special speakers from around the United States and Pastor plans to bring several from the nations. Our representatives from these nations will have time to greet the attendees. At last Pastor Reckart will dedicated the temple and preach the dedication message.

Following the dedication service, we will have an open air barbecue and a feast for everyone. Because seating is limited this dedication will be by invitation only.

We give God the glory for our new Church. When it is completed it will be completely paid for.

Jesus, you are awesome!

Jesus, you have stood by the man you made!

We glorify you O Lord, you are worthy!

Light To The Nations, Jesus, bless us even more to do our part in these endtimes.

[Ronzo]

Thad has it occurred to you that you should search the site you provide a link for ..... sheesh ....
:tvhappy

[Thad]

Thad has it occurred to you that you should search the site you provide a link for ..... sheesh ....

http://jesus-messiah.com/html/new-church.html (http://jesus-messiah.com/html/new-church.html)


no sense in getting cross about it daniel. I just asked if you or others knew more about him but nevermind if it's going to be like that

[SDG]

no sense in getting cross about it daniel. I just asked if you or others knew more about him but nevermind if it's going to be like that

Talk to the hand ....

[LadyChocolate]

Lol! i knew it was him before i even read the article! that is funny. i am preeetty sure he isn't upc. i think he's a missionary or at goes over seas lots. or used to. I don't know him that well but i have met him. hmmmmm!

[Ronzo]

Talk to the hand ....
..The dummy hand made of wood...

[Scott Hutchinson]

No this fellow is not UPCI ,anybody that disagrees with him ,he considers lost.

[LadyChocolate]

:nod :nod No this fellow is not UPCI ,anybody that disagrees with him ,he considers lost.

:nod :nod

[SDG]

..The dummy hand made of wood...

I woodn't have it any other way ...

[chaotic_resolve]

Should we send him this?:

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t42/RevDWW/Maxwell.jpg

and It's Free!!!!!!!!

Wow! AM could never be the General Superintendent offering free seminars with well-known guest speakers like this!

[Ronzo]

I woodn't have it any other way ...
Yes you wood Pinochio

[JTULLOCK]

I have read this before, but I read it again and only one thought comes to mind....Epley will love this. Pastor Gary Reckart is the writting name for Epley. Epley if you are not this guy you need to hook up with him. LOL:preach

I could not resist.

[SDG]

Wow! AM could never be the General Superintendent offering free seminars with well-known guest speakers like this!

If he was .. there would a $25 cover charge ... cause this conference would be in the red ....

[Theresa]

after glancing through his article...how does he justify his openly harsh, critical, judgemental remarks?? Even if he's RIGHT ON - how can he justify his comments that are outright "gossip" in nature and judgemental.

Even if he was right, he loses credibility in his "delivery"...


his attitude, IMO is as bad, if not worse than the transgressions of his subjects....

[Scott Hutchinson]

Theresa this fellow blasts any and everybody and he'd proably consider you lost as well.

[Actaeon]

Pretty good article - however, it was way too tame. :popcorn2

[Ronzo]

after glancing through his article...how does he justify his openly harsh, critical, judgemental remarks??
He's right and everyone else is going to hell.

That's how...

[Steadfast]

Wow. Did anybody else notice the name of Rayford Strange? He's on someone's bad list!

These kinds of articles usually avail nothing.

[LadyChocolate]

He's right and everyone else is going to hell.

That's how...

...whatever happened to "except for the grace of God, there go I"

Idon't get these people that think they have the exact mind of God...they seem to have a monopoly on God. I actually heard a preacher say that he's one of the very few who preach the whole truth and there aren'[t many other churches that you can go to and be saved. this from a guy who preached against any moving picture and showed us videos on his phone. lololol!

sorry, just carried away there................

[Actaeon]

Wow. Did anybody else notice the name of Rayford Strange? He's on someone's bad list!

These kinds of articles usually avail nothing.

Seems it already has...................... :thad ...... up to 5 pages and rollin'

:hypercoffee

[Scott Hutchinson]

Here's the thing if someome is right ,but has a bad nasty spirit ,then I don't care what they say.
There are kind UCs out there who I respect. But a bad spirit is never right ,and it can cause someone to be lost ,what kind of Holy Ghost teaches folks to be hateful ?

[Actaeon]

Here's the thing if someome is right ,but has a bad nasty spirit ,then I don't care what they say.
There are kind UCs out there who I respect. But a bad spirit is never right ,and it can cause someone to be lost ,what kind of Holy Ghost teaches folks to be hateful ?

What did you say?





















:tvhappy

[Ronzo]

...whatever happened to "except for the grace of God, there go I"

Idon't get these people that think they have the exact mind of God...they seem to have a monopoly on God. I actually heard a preacher say that he's one of the very few who preach the whole truth and there aren'[t many other churches that you can go to and be saved. this from a guy who preached against any moving picture and showed us videos on his phone. lololol!
You're not alone...

[Actaeon]

Oh you people would not know a nice preacher if he knocked you down.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I said what kind of Holy Teaches people to be mean and nasty ?

[Ronzo]

Oh you people would not know a nice preacher if he knocked you down.
you're right...

[Actaeon]

I said what kind of Holy Teaches people to be mean and nasty ?

What?

[Scott Hutchinson]

Oh you people would not know a nice preacher if he knocked you down.

Well you are a UC but you a gentleman ,I would listen to what you say.
You have strong convictions but you are a gentleman.

[Theresa]

Theresa this fellow blasts any and everybody and he'd proably consider you lost as well.

you know, Jesus got upset and told people just what he was thinking - but all in all when I think of Jesus, I think of someone with a gentleness about him, a meek, quiet spirit - not some loudmouth "let me tell you like it is" person..

Not that he wasnt capable, but MAN OH MAN - this tirade, the name calling, the finger pointing....it's not christ like.

IMO

[Scott Hutchinson]

you know, Jesus got upset and told people just what he was thinking - but all in all when I think of Jesus, I think of someone with a gentleness about him, a meek, quiet spirit - not some loudmouth "let me tell you like it is" person..

Not that he wasnt capable, but MAN OH MAN - this tirade, the name calling, the finger pointing....it's not christ like.

IMO

Jesus did get upset with the money changers and He had a good reason , but just being hateful I can't see.

[Actaeon]

I hate when they do that. :)

[Thad]

WOW! He Blasted Bro Strange in that Article too ???


I missed that. I guess I didn't connect the Name Rayford with the Bro Strange on our forum

[Actaeon]

WOW! He Blasted Bro Strange in that Article too ???


I missed that. I guess I didn't connect the Name Rayford with the Bro Strange on our forum

You're next.

[Thad]

I would like to know what Epley, Whole heart, Actaeon and the other UCs REALLY think of him

Do they approve of this article ??

[Thad]

You're next.


oh okay cool

[Actaeon]

I would like to know what Epley, Whole heart, Actaeon and the other UCs REALLY think of him

Do they approve of this article ??

I think he is very attackful. :usa

[Thad]

What churches does he Preach for ????

I wonder if he preaches against false Teeth, eye glases, birth control, Red, things like that

[LadyChocolate]

Oh you people would not know a nice preacher if he knocked you down.

Well, if he knocked you down, he would be so nice would he?>>:donuts

I know lots of nice preachers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

[SDG]

Originally Posted by LadyChocolate http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?p=96118#post96118)
...whatever happened to "except for the grace of God, there go I"

Idon't get these people that think they have the exact mind of God...they seem to have a monopoly on God. I actually heard a preacher say that he's one of the very few who preach the whole truth and there aren'[t many other churches that you can go to and be saved. this from a guy who preached against any moving picture and showed us videos on his phone. lololol!


Reckhart will debut on Fox this Sunday ....

http://respiracreative.com/cops.jpg

[Scott Hutchinson]

Thad ,the UCs here might agree with these fellow on some issues ,but they are more gentlemanly than this fellow.
I'll say this wheter one agrees with the AMF or not ,they're ethical men.
They live what they preach ,I respect their ethics.

[South of I 90]

O BOY Is POA ever going to catch hell fire for having that ! !


anyone have an opinion on them having this ?

I think the POA has hosted this event every year for the last 5 years.

Nothing new.

[Thad]

i can't believe someone compared him to Rev. Phelps though!! ouch!

[Thad]

Thad ,the UCs here might agree with these fellow on some issues ,but they are more gentlemanly than this fellow.
I'll say this wheter one agrees with the AMF or not ,they're ethical men.
They live what they preach ,I respect their ethics.


okay but does he PREACH for the AMF ????

[Scott Hutchinson]

I doubt the AMF would have him.

[LadyChocolate]

I doubt the AMF would have him.

I doubt he would have them! lol

[Actaeon]

He even got Bro. Epley - notice the quote:

".... gaming the pley generation......."


kinda like the Bible Code......

[Scott Hutchinson]

I'll tell if I was a UC the AMF would be a fellowship I would try to join ,strict yes they are but ethical as well.

[CC1]

Thad ,the UCs here might agree with these fellow on some issues ,but they are more gentlemanly than this fellow.
I'll say this wheter one agrees with the AMF or not ,they're ethical men.
They live what they preach ,I respect their ethics.

Obviously you have never had Elder's Epley and Groce handcuff you to a table in a restaurant while they annoint your head with oil and shake you like a rag doll.!!!

They aren't allowed back in Famous Dave's in Cool Springs now.:hypercoffee

[Actaeon]

Obviously you have never had Elder's Epley and Groce handcuff you to a table in a restaurant while they annoint your head with oil and shake you like a rag doll.!!!

They aren't allowed back in Famous Dave's in Cool Springs now.:hypercoffee


BUT I hear the REAL reason for the ban was because the handcuffees were eating with thier feet.

[Scott Hutchinson]

CC1 now you're just funning me.I'd like to be with you and Piano man and Elder Epley and Elder Groce in the same place ,I'd sit in the middle.

[HeavenlyOne]

Who is he? and Where is he located?


Is he UPC?

This is one of Bill Price's heroes.

[Thad]

This is one of Bill Price's heroes.



are you serious ????

are you just saying that because they are both extreme ?

[CC1]

BUT I hear the REAL reason for the ban was because the handcuffees were eating with thier feet.


It takes more than handcuffs to keep me from eating at Famous Dave's!

[HeavenlyOne]

are you serious ????

are you just saying that because they are both extreme ?

I'm telling you the truth. Of course, the wind blows and Bill is lost, then he repents and is saved....depends on where he stands with Reckart at the time.

[HeavenlyOne]

Right now it appears that Bill isn't in good graces with Reckart. When he is, Bill has Reckart's articles and such all over his site. Nothing of Reckart's isn't there right now.

[warrior81680]

This guy would be liked on CAF...

Looks like you are completely missing the point, Bo.

[revrandy]

Looks like you are completely missing the point, Bo.

What point would that be Sir Warrior?

[Ronzo]

Right now it appears that Bill isn't in good graces with Reckart. When he is, Bill has Reckart's articles and such all over his site. Nothing of Reckart's isn't there right now.
C'mon, sis... let the guy (Bill) move on with his life and stop holding him in the past... You really don't have to bring his past up all the time, do you?

[Michael Phelps]

This is one of Bill Price's heroes.

Well, that explains a lot about Price.

[warrior81680]

Looks like you are completely missing the point, Bo.

What point would that be Sir Warrior?

Thanks for calling me Sir! Happens very rarely!!:faint

Did you read just that page? Did you check out most of the guy's website?

Why would he be liked on CAF?

[HeavenlyOne]

C'mon, sis... let the guy (Bill) move on with his life and stop holding him in the past... You really don't have to bring his past up all the time, do you?

I was actually referring to his present.....

[Ronzo]

I was actually referring to his present.....
C'mon sis... let him live his life...

[HeavenlyOne]

C'mon sis... let him live his life...

Ron, I'm not stopping him. Someone said they'd never heard of Reckart, so I looked to see if Bill had another one his website about him and nothing was there. Eventually there will be, as there is from time to time.

Bill is certainly allowed to live his life. I have nothing to do with that.

[Ronzo]

Never mind... you missed the entire point of my plea...

[Michael Phelps]

Never mind... you missed the entire point of my plea...

I guess I did too........

[revrandy]

Thanks for calling me Sir! Happens very rarely!!:faint

Did you read just that page? Did you check out most of the guy's website?

Why would he be liked on CAF?

Folks after looking thru this guy's website.. there would be NO relationship with those on CAF...

This guy is out there... concerning Doctrine... and Salvation..


Bump Back for SirWarrior...

[warrior81680]

Thanks for calling me Sir! Happens very rarely!!:faint

Did you read just that page? Did you check out most of the guy's website?

Why would he be liked on CAF?

BUMP for revrandy!

[warrior81680]

BUMP for revrandy!

Sorry, revrandy, we must have been posting at once!

Thanks for clearing that up! I thought a little more inspection would reveal the truth.

God bless!

[revrandy]

Folks after looking thru this guy's website.. there would be NO relationship with those on CAF...

This guy is out there... concerning Doctrine... and Salvation..



Back Bump for SirWarrior... or BroWarrior... Or MisterWarrior.... but NOT SisWarrior.... :D

[Old Paths]

Folks after looking thru this guy's website.. there would be NO relationship with those on CAF...

This guy is out there... concerning Doctrine... and Salvation..



Amen.

[warrior81680]

Back Bump for SirWarrior... or BroWarrior... Or MisterWarrior.... but NOT SisWarrior.... :D

LOL!!

Definitely not a SIS!!

[Rev Dooley]

While I disagree with much of what was posted on this guy's site, I must admit that I am scratching my head here.
I thought you folks were christians? (Oh, I know that some on here may not be, but many who post claim to be.)
How do you expect me to want to become like you when you personally attack this individual? How godly is that?
He has an opinion. So disagree if you must, but personal attacks on his character et al are certainly not the work of godly christian people.

Just because he attacked a pentecostal icon (to some anyway) in AM doesn't mean that gives any of you the right to attack him. If AM wants to respond personally, sobeit. I think he is probably big enough of a man that if he feels to respond, then he certainly will. Otherwise, all this noise here is nothing but a bunch of ungodly junk.
Attack me on this if you wish, but it's true anyhow.
NI

[Scott Hutchinson]

Yes this brother has a right to his views and I publicly apologize if I said anything wrong about him.

[Rico]

While I disagree with much of what was posted on this guy's site, I must admit that I am scratching my head here.
I thought you folks were christians? (Oh, I know that some on here may not be, but many who post claim to be.)
How do you expect me to want to become like you when you personally attack this individual? How godly is that?
He has an opinion. So disagree if you must, but personal attacks on his character et al are certainly not the work of godly christian people.

Just because he attacked a pentecostal icon (to some anyway) in AM doesn't mean that gives any of you the right to attack him. If AM wants to respond personally, sobeit. I think he is probably big enough of a man that if he feels to respond, then he certainly will. Otherwise, all this noise here is nothing but a bunch of ungodly junk.
Attack me on this if you wish, but it's true anyhow.
NI

Maybe you don't know who this fella is, or much of his history, but there are others around here that do. His reputation precedes him, believe me.

[Rev Dooley]

Maybe you don't know who this fella is, or much of his history, but there are others around here that do. His reputation precedes him, believe me.Regardless of his reputation, it is ungodly for anyone to attempt to malign this man. He is still a soul worth reaching.
If we attack him personally, how could we ever hope to reach him?
NI

[Scott Hutchinson]

Here is the deal ,God is a just judge and He knows those that are His ,and in the end He has the final say and He'll sort it all out.

[Rico]

Regardless of his reputation, it is ungodly for anyone to attempt to malign this man. He is still a soul worth reaching.
If we attack him personally, how could we ever hope to reach him?
NI


I am sure there are some that want to reach him...............................with a baseball bat! LOL! Seriously, I don't know too much about him, except that he likes putting everyone in Hell except for himself. It's all about his way or you're doomed to hellfire. In his mind he doesn't need reaching, so there is no hope in reaching him.

[Mr. Steinway]

We need more good hard preaching like this! We don't need no watered down gospel with sissy preachers afraid to tell it like it is! :preach :lol :slaphappy :bliss

[Rev Dooley]

I am sure there are some that want to reach him...............................with a baseball bat! LOL! Seriously, I don't know too much about him, except that he likes putting everyone in Hell except for himself. It's all about his way or you're doomed to hellfire. In his mind he doesn't need reaching, so there is no hope in reaching him.IMO that's akin to saying there is no hope for the honosexual or the addict or...
I believe that as long as they are living and breathing, we should never ever give up hope of reaching someone.
Love you bro.
NI

[Elihu]

IMO that's akin to saying there is no hope for the honosexual or the addict or...
I believe that as long as they are living and breathing, we should never ever give up hope of reaching someone.
Love you bro.
NI

What is a honosexual?

[Rev Dooley]

What is a honosexual?Sorry, I fat-fingered the keys.
HOMOSEXUAL
NI

[Old Paths]

While I disagree with much of what was posted on this guy's site, I must admit that I am scratching my head here.
I thought you folks were christians? (Oh, I know that some on here may not be, but many who post claim to be.)
How do you expect me to want to become like you when you personally attack this individual? How godly is that?
He has an opinion. So disagree if you must, but personal attacks on his character et al are certainly not the work of godly christian people.

Just because he attacked a pentecostal icon (to some anyway) in AM doesn't mean that gives any of you the right to attack him. If AM wants to respond personally, sobeit. I think he is probably big enough of a man that if he feels to respond, then he certainly will. Otherwise, all this noise here is nothing but a bunch of ungodly junk.
Attack me on this if you wish, but it's true anyhow.
NI


The gentleman in question (who I have never met) biggest "sin" is that he is considered by some as a UC and that's enough to have him burned at the stakes.

[Scott Hutchinson]

OP this is off topic but could you tell me how to get in touch with Breachmender ?

[Rev Dooley]

The gentleman in question (who I have never met) biggest "sin" is that he is considered by some as a UC and that's enough to have him burned at the stakes.I understand your point, but that doesn't give anyone the right to treat them with less than christian courtesy or maybe just plain old common courtesy. Or isn't that PC anymore?
NI

[Old Paths]

OP this is off topic but could you tell me how to get in touch with Breachmender ?



Incoming.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Thanks ,OP and I appreciate your UCness.

[Old Paths]

I understand your point, but that doesn't give anyone the right to treat them with less than christian courtesy or maybe just plain old common courtesy. Or isn't that PC anymore?
NI



Sadly to say, UC are considered by some as open game, no holds barred, no restrictions and "common courtesy" does not always apply.

[HeavenlyOne]

While I disagree with much of what was posted on this guy's site, I must admit that I am scratching my head here.
I thought you folks were christians? (Oh, I know that some on here may not be, but many who post claim to be.)
How do you expect me to want to become like you when you personally attack this individual? How godly is that?
He has an opinion. So disagree if you must, but personal attacks on his character et al are certainly not the work of godly christian people.

Just because he attacked a pentecostal icon (to some anyway) in AM doesn't mean that gives any of you the right to attack him. If AM wants to respond personally, sobeit. I think he is probably big enough of a man that if he feels to respond, then he certainly will. Otherwise, all this noise here is nothing but a bunch of ungodly junk.
Attack me on this if you wish, but it's true anyhow.
NI

Personally attacked him? How so?

Attacking his doctrine is allowed. I haven't seen anyone attacking him.

[Rico]

Sadly to say, UC are considered by some as open game, no holds barred, no restrictions and "common courtesy" does not always apply.

Yeah. And liberals aren't? Y'all give just as much as you get and you know it, OP.

[ILuvFPC]

The gentleman in question (who I have never met) biggest "sin" is that he is considered by some as a UC and that's enough to have him burned at the stakes.

i consider myself somewhat of an UC yet i surely have no desire to be put in the same category as reckhart...

[Old Paths]

Yeah. And liberals aren't? Y'all give just as much as you get and you know it, OP.



Hey don't pay any attention to me, I'm one of those preachers that you don't trust.

:laffatu

[Old Paths]

i consider myself somewhat of an UC yet i surely have no desire to be put in the same category as reckhart...



Oh I agree totally.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I'll tell ya I'm not really worried about being called Con,Mod ,or Lib ,I'm really more concerned about being Christian and pleasing God.

[Hoovie]

But, interestingly, men were not given the liberty to show up at church with skirts and dresses. Transvestism was only permitted for girls and women. The Church remained Acts 2:38 and Oneness but had totally gutted the Apostolic identity of holiness.

the above is from his site.

OK so the guy is wacko.

[CC1]

But, interestingly, men were not given the liberty to show up at church with skirts and dresses. Transvestism was only permitted for girls and women. The Church remained Acts 2:38 and Oneness but had totally gutted the Apostolic identity of holiness.

the above is from his site.

OK so the guy is wacko.

Now, now. That is hurtful and Old Paths and NI are all upset that anyone would say anything negative about this fine Christian gentleman.

I have finally seen the kinder, gentler side of Opie and NI. LOL!!!!

[HeavenlyOne]

Hey don't pay any attention to me, I'm one of those preachers that you don't trust.

:laffatu

Don't forget that he hates you too.

[SDG]

The gentleman in question (who I have never met) biggest "sin" is that he is considered by some as a UC and that's enough to have him burned at the stakes.

Chinese water torture will do the trick ....

[FRINGE_NUTTER]

I'll tell ya I'm not really worried about being called Con,Mod ,or Lib ,I'm really more concerned about being Christian and pleasing God.

What you are saying is like saying I am not concerned about winning the political race as a Republican, Independent, or Democrat. I am just concerned about being a Patriot and serving my country well and doing what's right. "Religion 2007" is a game of politics, my friend. Now "pure religion" - that's a different story. It's not a game for the honest soul. It's a battle for power to control who makes the rules, who decides what the uniforms look like, and who owns where the troops meet and who gets all the kudos. Jesus Christ doesn't care about cons, mods, or libs. Christianity - loving the lost, giving them grace, showing a meek and humble spirit - well, being "Christ-like" gets you the same results sometimes that Christ got.

[Praxeas]

Randy

I don't know who he is - does anyone here ? This is the first I've Heard of him.

I doubt he is UPC the way he blast it - could be wrong though
If I were to explain who this man is so that you knew what he was and what he was about, I would have to break our rules about tearing down the "ministry" :donuts

[Scott Hutchinson]

What you are saying is like saying I am not concerned about winning the political race as a Republican, Independent, or Democrat. I am just concerned about being a Patriot and serving my country well and doing what's right. "Religion 2007" is a game of politics, my friend. Now "pure religion" - that's a different story. It's not a game for the honest soul. It's a battle for power to control who makes the rules, who decides what the uniforms look like, and who owns where the troops meet and who gets all the kudos. Jesus Christ doesn't care about cons, mods, or libs. Christianity - loving the lost, giving them grace, showing a meek and humble spirit - well, being "Christ-like" gets you the same results sometimes that Christ got.

If you put it like that.I'm concerned with being kingdom minded and furthering the cause Of Christ.

[NLYP]

O BOY Is POA ever going to catch hell fire for having that ! !


anyone have an opinion on them having this ?

Thad give me just a small break.....Truth id POA has the Maxwell Simulcast 2 times per year and has had for the last 6 years.....

And in case you didnt know....Pastor Anthony could care less what ""hell fire" he gest from a bunch of morans...

[NLYP]

This whole thread is a joke and makes me proud to be counted as a liberal!
The thing is....I am one and dont care who knows it who sees it and who gets mad at it...what you see is what you get...I am transparent and vocal and dont really care what some con thinks about it....
On the flip side..I love them and respect them but cannot and will join in their quest to make this org into a "holiness cult".
Im very stirred up tonight...so ill back off for now.

[Sister Alvear]

So sad that Reckart fights those that differ with him...He said some awful ugly things about me and I only seen him one time in my life at a funeral. So sad...How could any one person think they have the ONLY message when there are millions baptized in Jesus name...
While men spend their time fighting each other the devil must sit back and laugh as the perishing world rushes toward a Christless etenity...

[CC1]

Thad give me just a small break.....Truth id POA has the Maxwell Simulcast 2 times per year and has had for the last 6 years.....

And in case you didnt know....Pastor Anthony could care less what ""hell fire" he gest from a bunch of morans...

I could understand it if you had said morons, but to impune this poor Moran family is just plain rude. What have the Morans ever done to you?:icecream :killinme

[CC1]

So sad that Reckart fights those that differ with him...He said some awful ugly things about me and I only seen him one time in my life at a funeral. So sad...How could any one person think they have the ONLY message when there are millions baptized in Jesus name...
While men spend their time fighting each other the devil must sit back and laugh as the perishing world rushes toward a Christless etenity...

With people like him I don't think you really have to do anything to get on his hit list.

I am just amazed that Old Paths and Nobody Important would actually defend this guy on here. That is the equivilent of me defending Steve Munsey after seeing his antics raising money from little old ladies and the infirm on a telethon.

Some people deserve to be called out for what they do and what they are and this guy is one of them. There should be universal condemnation for such a person. This is not a conservative vs. lib issue despite what Old Paths and NI say.

[Thad]

I have thoroughly Enjoyed reading this Thread! :thumbsup

[NLYP]

I could understand it if you had said morons, but to impune this poor Moran family is just plain rude. What have the Morans ever done to you?:icecream :killinme

SOMEDAY I will learn to spell moron! LOL

[warrior81680]

I could understand it if you had said morons, but to impune this poor Moran family is just plain rude. What have the Morans ever done to you?:icecream :killinme

SOMEDAY I will learn to spell, moron! LOL

Now, why did you go and call CC1 a moron? :grampa

Seems like he is pretty intelligent to me!!

[rrford]

Now, why did you go and call CC1 a moron? :grampa

Seems like he is pretty intelligent to me!!

Maybe someday he will learn proper punctuation as well. :killinme

Unless, of course, he was calling CC1 a moron. (Which is probably understandable according to his wife.)

[NLYP]

Sadly to say, UC are considered by some as open game, no holds barred, no restrictions and "common courtesy" does not always apply.

Sounds about right..................:highfive

[Old Paths]

Now, now. That is hurtful and Old Paths and NI are all upset that anyone would say anything negative about this fine Christian gentleman.

I have finally seen the kinder, gentler side of Opie and NI. LOL!!!!



CC1

I have always been kind and gentle. :nod

I never sided or took up for the fellow (as far as I know I have never met him) in question, just pointed out that IF a person is considerd UC that they are open targets.

[chseeads]

Reckhart is not an ultracon, he's a lunatic. lol

[Sister Alvear]

so sad he thinks he has God's direct message...may God have mercy on us mortals.

[Thad]

so sad he thinks he has God's direct message...may God have mercy on us mortals.


and what I can't believe is folks on here that justify this man attacking good people like YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that sure boggles the mind !

[AGAPE]

This guy would be liked on CAF...

SAY WHAT????????????????????????????

[Bryan]

I can't believe he got this much attention.

can someone give me some information on this Pastor?

where he is from, what group or Org. is he with, what church does he pastor?
does anyone know him ? This is the first i've heard of him
he is from Tampa. Ex UPC. I'm not sure if he has ties with the AMF. He is not in an org, but he has created a "fellowship," the Jesus Messieh Fellowship International.
Charles Johnson and Bill Price have ties to him. He may have ties to St. Matt.

He does a lot of missions work in the Philipines and Africa. I have not had any bad experiences coresponding with him, in fact, in 2003 he sent me an email that really hit home. But, I will not sit here and make excuses for him (or anyone else).

[TRFrance]

It was actually a pretty interesting read, I must say.

Even with guys like this, sometimes you can still be like a chicken in the yard... pick out the kernels of corn, and stay away from the pebbles.

This quote I found very interesting:
" His holiness, John Paul II was truly a dedicated and courageous messenger of God. His legacy will be a model that all of us should follow. His Holiness was not only a leader of the church, but also a leader of the world. His life was an example everyone can learn from. His mission to spread the Good News of faith throughout the world, and his dedication to human rights was an inspiration." (T. D. Jakes, "Bishop T. D. Jakes Statement on The Passing of Pope John Paul II")

(I know its a couple of years old, but it was my first time seeing that quote.)

The pope?... dedicated messenger of God?... a model all of us should follow?... a leader of the church... an example everyone one can learn from??
Are you kidding me?

:groan

I guess I was kinda surprised to see that.. but then again, this is Jakes we're talking about. (sigh)

Lets see if he has similar glowing words of praise after the Dalai Lama dies. :coffee2

[PastorD]

It was actually a pretty interesting read, I must say.

Even with guys like this, sometimes you can still be like a chicken in the yard... pick out the kernels of corn, and stay away from the pebbles.

This quote I found very interesting:
" His holiness, John Paul II was truly a dedicated and courageous messenger of God. His legacy will be a model that all of us should follow. His Holiness was not only a leader of the church, but also a leader of the world. His life was an example everyone can learn from. His mission to spread the Good News of faith throughout the world, and his dedication to human rights was an inspiration." (T. D. Jakes, "Bishop T. D. Jakes Statement on The Passing of Pope John Paul II")

(I know its a couple of years old, but it was my first time seeing that quote.)

The pope?... dedicated messenger of God?... a model all of us should follow?... a leader of the church... an example everyone one can learn from??
Are you kidding me?

:groan

I guess I was kinda surprised to see that.. but then again, this is Jakes we're talking about. (sigh)

Lets see if he has similar glowing words of praise after the Dalai Lama dies. :coffee2



It is interesting to me that with this guy you are going to go with the "get the kernels, stay away from the pebbles", but with Jakes you are so closed minded.

This I will say......Jakes' chance of Heaven is much better than the ticked off prophet.

[crakjak]

Should we send him this?:

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t42/RevDWW/Maxwell.jpg

Very good program, we had it in Dallas a few months ago. Folks don't have to be afraid of growth, might even learn something. It it a bit of overload for one setting however. Free of charge is a nice touch.

[TRFrance]

It is interesting to me that with this guy you are going to go with the "get the kernels, stay away from the pebbles", but with Jakes you are so closed minded.

This I will say......Jakes' chance of Heaven is much better than the ticked off prophet.

There are many ways to respond to that, bro. I've considered Jakes to be a compromiser and a fence-sitter for quite some time...but I'll keep things real simple for now...

I will reply to you with a simple question: Do you think that Pope John Paul, (or any other Roman Catholic pope) has been "... a dedicated messenger of God?... a model all of us should follow?... a leader of the church... an example everyone one can learn from?? "

I am interested in hearing your answer to that. So let's hear it, Pastor D.

[PastorD]

There are many ways to respond to that, bro. I've considered Jakes to be a compromiser and a fence-sitter for quite some time...but I'll keep things real simple for now...

I will reply to you with a simple question: Do you think that Pope John Paul, (or any other Roman Catholic pope) has been "... a dedicated messenger of God?... a model all of us should follow?... a leader of the church... an example everyone one can learn from?? "

I am interested in hearing your answer to that. So let's hear it, Pastor D.



Thanks for keeping things real simple.....it helps.

First of all....your guestion to me is based on something you just read for your self less than 15 minutes ago, that was quoted by a man (Reckhart) who is known to mis-quote, cheat, spin, and at the very least take things way out of context. I would like to read, if it exists, the entire statement made by Bishop for proper context.

With that being said....if Jakes did made such a statement, I would not agree. However, I have that same ability as you.....take the kernels and leave the pebbles.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Reckart: http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/pentecostal/dakes.html
Just go down to about the second or 3rd Part it gets Real Good !!!! Give me your opinion on this one !!!

Since FCF, NFCF, I have never seen the Cohen get this much publicity by any other web site. Thad are you getting paid by G. Reckart?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Should we send him this?:

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t42/RevDWW/Maxwell.jpg

Don't tell me Malcom Gladwell was at POA? Is this for real?

Malcom Gladwell?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Should we send him this?

Frankly, I wouldn't send it to anyone.

[TRFrance]

Thanks for keeping things real simple.....it helps.

First of all....your guestion to me is based on something you just read for your self less than 15 minutes ago, that was quoted by a man (Reckhart) who is known to mis-quote, cheat, spin, and at the very least take things way out of context. I would like to read, if it exists, the entire statement made by Bishop for proper context.

With that being said....if Jakes did make such a statement, I would not agree. However, I have that same ability as you.....take the kernels and leave the pebbles.

Well, my dear brother,

Whereas...you seem to think I'm a little harsh on Mr. Jakes... (or "closed minded" to use your words).
and
Whereas... you thought maybe Reckart couldn't be trusted to not "mis-quote, cheat, spin, and at the very least take things way out of context" on this...
and
Whereas ... you said you "would like to read, if it exists, the entire statement made by Bishop for proper context."

I decided to do a little detective work, and I found the original, complete statement.

I'll say this... you were right. Reckart didn't have the whole statement. His version was accurate, such as it was, but incomplete. Several other websites had the same shortened version similar to what Reckart had. The full version is below, found directly on TDJakes' own website.

You might have thought the entire statement in full context might put Jakes' comments in a better light. Sorry to say, to me, the full statement makes it just that much worse. Anyway, the statement speaks for itself.

[The parts in red are the parts that weren't in Reckart's shortened version, as quoted previously.]

BISHOP T. D. JAKES STATEMENT ON
THE PASSING OF POPE JOHN PAUL II

“The Catholic Church and the entire community of faith have suffered a great loss of a great leader.His holiness, John Paul II was truly a dedicated and courageous messenger of God. His legacy will be a model that all of us should follow. His Holiness was not only a leader of the church, but also a leader of the world. His life was an example everyone can learn from. His mission to spread the Good News of faith throughout the world, and his dedication to human rights was an inspiration. The longest-serving pontiff of the 20th century, John Paul II had a profound impact on religion in this country and around world. We could all see in him, that being in harmony with God is the key to a happy and successful life.
His life taught us so much, and his death will show just how important his lessons
were.”
Bishop T. D. Jakes
Founder and Senior Pastor
The Potter's House of Dallas, Inc.


http://www.tdjakes.com/downloads/pdf/pope_jp_II_statement_4.7.05.pdf


Like I said before, let's see what glowing words he has to say after His Holiness, The Dalai Lama passes away.
:coffee2 :vomit

[PastorD]

Well, my dear brother,

Whereas...you seem to think I'm a little harsh on Mr. Jakes... (or "closed minded" to use your words).
and
Whereas... you thought maybe Reckart couldn't be trusted to not "mis-quote, cheat, spin, and at the very least take things way out of context" on this...
and
Whereas ... you said you "would like to read, if it exists, the entire statement made by Bishop for proper context."

I decided to do a little detective work, and I found the original, complete statement.

I'll say this... you were right. Reckart didn't have the whole statement. His version was accurate, such as it was, but incomplete. Several other websites had the same shortened version similar to what Reckart had. The full version is below, found directly on TDJakes' own website.

You might have thought the entire statement in full context might put Jakes' comments in a better light. Sorry to say, to me, the full statement makes it just that much worse. Anyway, the statement speaks for itself.

[The parts in red are the parts that weren't in Reckart's shortened version, as quoted previously.]

BISHOP T. D. JAKES STATEMENT ON
THE PASSING OF POPE JOHN PAUL II

“The Catholic Church and the entire community of faith have suffered a great loss of a great leader.His holiness, John Paul II was truly a dedicated and courageous messenger of God. His legacy will be a model that all of us should follow. His Holiness was not only a leader of the church, but also a leader of the world. His life was an example everyone can learn from. His mission to spread the Good News of faith throughout the world, and his dedication to human rights was an inspiration. The longest-serving pontiff of the 20th century, John Paul II had a profound impact on religion in this country and around world. We could all see in him, that being in harmony with God is the key to a happy and successful life.
His life taught us so much, and his death will show just how important his lessons
were.”
Bishop T. D. Jakes
Founder and Senior Pastor
The Potter's House of Dallas, Inc.


http://www.tdjakes.com/downloads/pdf/pope_jp_II_statement_4.7.05.pdf


Like I said before, let's see what glowing words he has to say after His Holiness, The Dalai Lama passes away.
:coffee2 :vomit



Great detective work! As stated, I do NOT agree. However, in keeping with your kernels and pebbles analogy, and having read considerably after both men.....I'll take Jakes-you keep Reckart.

[Dora]

Reckart: http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/pentecostal/dakes.html



Just go down to about the second or 3rd Part it gets Real Good !!!!


Give me your opinion on this one !!!

The guy is obviously an illiterate nut case.

[tv1a]

Maxwell simulcasts these events via close-circuit television to various congregations throught the country. A church up the road from my house participated in one of these events.

Don't tell me Malcom Gladwell was at POA? Is this for real?



Malcom Gladwell?

[CC1]

Maxwell simulcasts these events via close-circuit television to various congregations throught the country. A church up the road from my house participated in one of these events.

A couple of years ago he actually did one in person from Christ Church. I was really busy that week and did not attend but now wish I had somehow made time.

[TRFrance]

Great detective work! As stated, I do NOT agree. However, in keeping with your kernels and pebbles analogy, and having read considerably after both men.....I'll take Jakes-you keep Reckart.

I'll take that deal any day. At least Reckart is apostolic. As flawed as he, is I still consider him a brother in the Apostolic faith who is correct on the core doctrines of the Godhead and the salvation plan.

Jakes, well... not so much. What exactly are his core beliefs anyway? He's long been evasive and unclear on his Godhead stance, and his idea of salvation is now even more dubious with this statement. I consider his statement outrageous, and I'm quite surprised you seem to think its not.

I would think (hope?) that most Pentecostals recognize that the pope is a false prophet to put it mildly, leading people astray with a false gospel' that doesn't save. Why would Jakes (or any preacher who's supposed to be doctrinally sound) consider the pope to be "a great leader", a courageous "messenger of God", "a model that all of us should follow" , 'and example everyone can learn from", one who spread "the Good News of faith throughout the world", and a man who was "in harmony with God"??

This all reeks of the spirit of ecumenism that is trying to infiltrate the church, and a pastor sends a very bad message to his congregation with a statement like this. Does Jakes really think the pope is saved? and that Catholic doctrine saves? and that Catholic priests, etc are "men of God" ? etc. His statement to me is an outrage on so many levels, its just sad.

And don't get me wrong Bro. I get no joy in bashing Jakes. Years back, when Jakes first hit the scene in a big way, and I found out he had apostolic roots, I wished him well. But , little by little, as his position on a variety of issues became clear, (or as I saw he was trying to be non-committal and evasive on other doctrinal issues) I realized I could not longer support him. This to me is just another item added to the pile... and is probably one of the worst so far.

As for me, if I was in any church and had a pastor who made such a statement about the pope, It would immediately send up red flags in my mind, concerning his judgment and his doctrine, and I would almost certainly be finding a new church home very quickly.

Yes, Reckart has issues, to say the least, and I'd never want to be a member of his church. But to me, the core doctrines still matter. I'd rather visit Reckart's church for a Sunday morning service than Jakes' church . I'll take that deal any day of the week.

[Kansas Preacher]

This guy would be liked on CAF...

For your information, this guy applied to join CAF and was rejected. I am very disappointed that you posted this.

[Thad]

For your information, this guy applied to join CAF and was rejected. I am very disappointed that you posted this.


Why would you be disappointed about that ??? :confused:

[Kansas Preacher]

This guy would be liked on CAF...

For your information, this guy applied to join CAF and was rejected. I am very disappointed that you posted this.

Why would you be disappointed about that ??? :confused:

Revrandy is a member of CAF. He has told me on numerous occasions how much he appreciated that forum. For him to make a comment that we would "like" Reckart on CAF is to publicly attack our forum. I'm disappointed that Revrandy has said one thing to me privately and something altogether different on THIS forum.

Comprende?

[RevDWW]

Don't tell me Malcom Gladwell was at POA? Is this for real?

Malcom Gladwell?
Simulcast means....oh never mind.........:ursofunny

Frankly, I wouldn't send it to anyone.

Ok. Don't send it.....it's past any way......:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny

[CC1]

Revrandy is a member of CAF. He has told me on numerous occasions how much he appreciated that forum. For him to make a comment that we would "like" Reckart on CAF is to publicly attack our forum. I'm disappointed that Revrandy has said one thing to me privately and something altogether different on THIS forum.

Comprende?

Is CAF not diverse enough that you don't have some hard core ultra cons who would lke this guy?

I didn't read RevRandy's post as an attack on CAF. I assumed he meant only that SOME on CAF would like that guy. I never read that as an indictment of the entire forum. Of course he could have helped by posting a little more specific in that regard.

I hope this doesnt mean Rev Randy is going to be banned from his fellow conservative brethern over at CAF

[Kansas Preacher]

Is CAF not diverse enough that you don't have some hard core ultra cons who would lke this guy?

I didn't read RevRandy's post as an attack on CAF. I assumed he meant only that SOME on CAF would like that guy. I never read that as an indictment of the entire forum. Of course he could have helped by posting a little more specific in that regard.

I hope this doesnt mean Rev Randy is going to be banned from his fellow conservative brethern over at CAF
In fact, Revrandy and I have been in private communication over this comment. He has explained some things to me (which I will wait for him to explain publicly). Nevertheless, I apologize for painting him in a bad light, as though he was saying two different things. That was the way I took it, but I should never have stated it without checking with him first.

I really don't know ANYONE on CAF who would like Reckart. In fact, one of his followers happened to get on and only lasted a day or two before he was banned. (We didn't know he was associated with Reckart at the time.)

[revrandy]

Revrandy is a member of CAF. He has told me on numerous occasions how much he appreciated that forum. For him to make a comment that we would "like" Reckart on CAF is to publicly attack our forum. I'm disappointed that Revrandy has said one thing to me privately and something altogether different on THIS forum.

Comprende?

Is CAF not diverse enough that you don't have some hard core ultra cons who would lke this guy?

I didn't read RevRandy's post as an attack on CAF. I assumed he meant only that SOME on CAF would like that guy. I never read that as an indictment of the entire forum. Of course he could have helped by posting a little more specific in that regard.

I hope this doesnt mean Rev Randy is going to be banned from his fellow conservative brethern over at CAF

Just got back from church....It was brought to my attention by Kansas Preacher in contacting me...

Let me be clear on this...

When it was first posted and you reread the post... my first comment to THAD was "WHO IS THIS GUY?" Concerning Reckhert....


I made the comment off the cuff somewhat.. didn't think a thing about it...

I had never heard of Reckhert before....

I then became more familiar with Reckhert and understood more about him...

and could understand why he wouldn't be allowed on CAF...completely

I will say that CAF is a good fellowship of like minded men who by kindness and mercy have allowed me to be a part of....even though I have some differences with some (NOT CONCERNING DOCTRINE)... and they know because I told them coming in... and they have been kind enough to let me stay on...

I have defended them here a number of times...

I do apologize for my comments....I write this NOT just stay on CAF as I told Kansas Preacher if he felt I needed to go I would...

I am not a person who likes to offend folks... but I will defend the Oneness Message and may lock horns with those who differ... I may like to put a burr under someones saddle every once in awhile just to keep it interesting...

I hope this explains my faux pau..on my part...

Revrandy...

[CC1]

RevRandy,

Say 50 "The Lord's Prayers" and kneel toward pastor Westberg's resting place 3 times a day for a week and you will be considered absolved by your conservative brethern!