Flour tortillas considered UN-leavened bread?

[COOPER]

Flour tortillas considered UN-leavened bread?

I was just eating an authentic Mexican tortilla and had this thought.

[Praxeas]

Flour tortillas considered UN-leavened bread?

I was just eating an authentic Mexican tortilla and had this thought.
I don't think so...unleaven bread was supposed to not be pleasant right? Also weren't they more like crackers...hard than soft?

[Ronzo]

I don't think so...unleaven bread was supposed to not be pleasant right? Also weren't they more like crackers...hard than soft?
Where do you get that assumption from?

Have you ever eaten unleavened bread? It's good.


Coop,
Tortillas can be considered unleavened bread, yes, because they have all the makings of bread, without the yeast.

[RevDWW]

Tortillas can be considered unleavened bread, yes, because they have all the makings of bread, without the yeast.

I would agree with my friend Ronzo. Unleaven is without yeast so you don't have to wait for it to rise. It's quick to make when your about to leave out of Egypt or else where.....:nod

Have you ever had Swedish hardtack?

[Trouvere]

I would agree with my friend Ronzo. Unleaven is without yeast so you don't have to wait for it to rise. It's quick to make when your about to leave out of Egypt or else where.....:nod

Have you ever had Swedish hardtack?

Zieweback?

[Praxeas]

I would agree with my friend Ronzo. Unleaven is without yeast so you don't have to wait for it to rise. It's quick to make when your about to leave out of Egypt or else where.....:nod

Have you ever had Swedish hardtack?
is it soft like Pita or tortillas? Or is it more like cracker?

[RevDWW]

Zieweback?

God bless you!
















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No. It's kinda of like a cracker.

[RevDWW]

is it soft like Pita or tortillas? Or is it more like cracker?

The kind my wifes Aunt makes is not quite as soft as a tortilla.


I love to heat a skillet,drop a tortilla in until it bubbles, melting butter on it, then eating them warm and krispy.

[Praxeas]

The kind my wifes Aunt makes is not quite as soft as a tortilla.


I love to heat a skillet,drop a tortilla in until it bubbles, melting butter on it, then eating them warm and krispy.
I do that. You ever make fresh chips? cut up a tortilla and fry it then salt it...they are great. Home made tortillas are the best, especially thick ones

[Digging4Truth]

It would seem to me that a tortilla would, indeed, be considered unleavened bread.

We got the hard cracker thing from the Catholic church... not from the Bible.

[RevDWW]

It would seem to me that a tortilla would, indeed, be considered unleavened bread.

We got the hard cracker thing from the Catholic church... not from the Bible.

I don't care for those little Styrofoam kind of wafers.........does it say that Jesus broke unleaven bread at the last supper?

[Digging4Truth]

I don't care for those little Styrofoam kind of wafers.........does it say that Jesus broke unleaven bread at the last supper?

artos is the word translated as bread in the account of the Lords supper.

This is some of what the Lexicon had to say about it.

1) food composed of flour mixed with water and baked
a) the Israelites made it in the form of an oblong or round cake, as thick as one's thumb, and as large as a plate or platter hence it was not to be cut but broken

It would be my guess that it was unleavened bread as this was, in all probability, their custom.

[Ronzo]

The kind my wifes Aunt makes is not quite as soft as a tortilla.


I love to heat a skillet,drop a tortilla in until it bubbles, melting butter on it, then eating them warm and krispy.
STOP IT! I'm trying to be a good boy!

That temptation is NOT FAIR

[Ronzo]

It would be my guess that it was unleavened bread as this was, in all probability, their custom.
That would be the case, yes, sir.

[Praxeas]

It would seem to me that a tortilla would, indeed, be considered unleavened bread.

We got the hard cracker thing from the Catholic church... not from the Bible.
Not really....they use wafers, they aren't really like crackers and we use Matzo crackers...not from the Roman Catholics

Matzo (also Matzoh, Matzah, Matza, Hebrew מַצָּה maṣṣā) is a Jewish food item made of plain flour and water, which is not allowed to ferment or rise before it is baked. The result is either a round pita shaped bread or a flat, crunchy, cracker-like bread.

Matzo is the traditional substitute for bread during Passover because of the prohibitive commandment of eating chametz. Moreover, eating matzo the night of the seder fulfills the positive commandment of eating matzo at the Passover seder (some say {the Vilna Gaon} the positive commandment is applicable for the entire Passover week).

Matzo has a dual role in the Passover festival. First, when the Children of Israel were leaving Ancient Egypt, they had no time to wait until their bread rose, so they baked it before it had a chance to rise, and the result was matzo (Exodus 12:39). Therefore it symbolizes redemption and freedom.

Second, unleaven bread is considered poor man's bread (lechem oni), symbolizing slavery because such was the type of bread fed to slaves. Thus, it serves as a reminder to be humbled and remember what it is like to be a poor slave, sparking an appreciation of freedom and avoid the puffed ego symbolized by leavened bread.

For Passover, the ingredients for matzo are limited to flour and water only, while other ingredients such as eggs or fruit juice may be added to matzo that is produced and consumed during the rest of the year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matzo

[RevDWW]

artos is the word translated as bread in the account of the Lords supper.

This is some of what the Lexicon had to say about it.



It would be my guess that it was unleavened bread as this was, in all probability, their custom.

I would agree as it the Passover was a celebration of coming out of Egypt.

[Monkeyman]

My dad's favorite breakfast was Chorizo con Huevos and he would scoop them up with overcooked cracker like flour tortillas...they are delish!

Here's another trick, fry up those cut corn tortillas and salt them as posted earlier...then...take chicken breast that has been slow cooked in a crockpot with V-8 juice and use that as a topping with melted cheese and your favorite nacho toppings...WOW!!!!!!

[tamor]

My dad's favorite breakfast was Chorizo con Huevos and he would scoop them up with overcooked cracker like flour tortillas...they are delish!

Here's another trick, fry up those cut corn tortillas and salt them as posted earlier...then...take chicken breast that has been slow cooked in a crockpot with V-8 juice and use that as a topping with melted cheese and your favorite nacho toppings...WOW!!!!!!

Yum. Sounds wonderful.

[Monkeyman]

I always flash grill the chicken before putting them in the crockpot so they have a nice color and searing. BTW, I used to own Margarita's Tortilla Factory Restaurant so I know of which I speak, he he!

[berkeley]

flour tortillas are made with baking powder... a leavening agent...

[berkeley]

burnt tortillas... tortillas that are cooked into something that is breakable.. gross.. step dad loves them like that...

[Monkeyman]

flour tortillas are made with baking powder... a leavening agent...I don't always use that!

[tamor]

Do you guys make homemade sopapillas (sp?)?

[berkeley]

I don't always use that!

gross

[berkeley]

Do you guys make homemade sopapillas (sp?)?

please describe this??

[Monkeyman]

gross
Whatever dude, my tortillas are amaaazing! World famous!!! The best!!!! Well...Old Town Cafe in San Diego is pretty good too!

[Monkeyman]

Do you guys make homemade sopapillas (sp?)?Naw, my family wasn't really into those, tried making them a few times...we are a big Tamale loving family and that's our claim to fame!
My family (mother's side) has a couple of big restaurants in Cali, Tony's Jackal & Bluebird Cafe in Solana Beach

[Monkeyman]

please describe this??Mexican pastry (not pondulse) that is either dessert OR filled with meat/beans

[berkeley]

Mexican pastry (not pondulse) that is either dessert OR filled with meat/beanswhat the hizzle is pondulce??

[tamor]

please describe this??


It's a deep-fried pastry - sort of a dough dessert. In the Mexican restaurants, they are usually about the size of a saucer and you can order them with ice cream on them.

My hubby can make them, but he makes them much smaller and we eat them with honey and powdered sugar.

Awesome!! Fattening!!

[berkeley]

to monkey
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my bad.. like uhh.. pan dulce.

[tamor]

Mexican pastry (not pondulse) that is either dessert OR filled with meat/beans


What is pondulse?

[berkeley]

It's a deep-fried pastry - sort of a dough dessert. In the Mexican restaurants, they are usually about the size of a saucer and you can order them with ice cream on them.

My hubby can make them, but he makes them much smaller and we eat them with honey and powdered sugar.

Awesome!! Fattening!!

never heard of em. my mexican family must be ghetto... we don't do anything that white people like. :lol

at first I thought you were talking about sopes..

http://whatdidyoueat.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/img_8683.jpg

[berkeley]

What is pondulse?

mexican sweet bread..

[Monkeyman]

what the hizzle is pondulce??don't have the spelling correct, sorry! If you go to a Mexican market, they will have a round shaped sweet bread covered with sugar, or it also can be ginger flavored pig shaped treats, or a type of cookie...it all goes down great with Mexican Hot Chocolate....YOU GUYS HAVE MADE ME HUNGRY THANKS A LOT!!!!!!! And this thread has been officially hijacked, he he

[berkeley]

don't have the spelling correct, sorry! If you go to a Mexican market, they will have a round shaped sweet bread covered with sugar, or it also can be ginger flavored pig shaped treats, or a type of cookie...it all goes down great with Mexican Hot Chocolate....YOU GUYS HAVE MADE ME HUNGRY THANKS A LOT!!!!!!! And this thread has been officially hijacked, he he

well, I googled your rendition.. and I didn't get an error.. I suppose it is acceptable!!:thumbsup

[tamor]

mexican sweet bread..

Is it that stuff in those pictures? That looks good. I'd like to try some of those.

[Monkeyman]

well, I googled your rendition.. and I didn't get an error.. I suppose it is acceptable!!:thumbsupHa you're a nut...a cool one though!
I had lime chicken tacos with refried beans tonight, mmmm mmmm

[tamor]

Ha you're a nut...a cool one though!
I had lime chicken tacos with refried beans tonight, mmmm mmmm


Yum. Now you're making me hungry!

[berkeley]

Is it that stuff in those pictures? That looks good. I'd like to try some of those.

which pic? one I posted??

I posted "sopes"... my aunt makes em.. I loove em!! you fill them with meat and stuff.. whatever you want... they are not a sweet dish


pondulce/ pan dulce/ pan de dulce: translated as "sweet bread" a transliteration would be "candy bread" I think...

anyway.. you can find it at the market... don't purchase it late in the day, chances are it will not be fresh!!

[tamor]

which pic? one I posted??

I posted "sopes"... my aunt makes em.. I loove em!! you fill them with meat and stuff.. whatever you want... they are not a sweet dish


pondulce/ pan dulce/ pan de dulce: translated as "sweet bread" a transliteration would be "candy bread" I think...

anyway.. you can find it at the market... don't purchase it late in the day, chances are it will not be fresh!!

Yeah the pic you posted. I wonder if Jon could make them. I would like that with meat and cheese. Is that the official name for them? I wonder if I could find the recipe if I googled them online?

[Monkeyman]

Tamor, Go to your grocery store, find a corn flour called "Masa Harina" and they will have recipes on the bag for all of this stuff...yummy! Funny, my name is Jon...short for Jonathan, thought u were talking about me for a sec!! He he

[tamor]

Tamor, Go to your grocery store, find a corn flour called "Masa Harina" and they will have recipes on the bag for all of this stuff...yummy!


Will it be in the Hispanic foods, or with regular flours?

[Monkeyman]

Will it be in the Hispanic foods, or with regular flours?Hmmm, prob hispanic, wal mart grocery in Maine carries it so I think it would in TN as well???

[berkeley]

Tamor, Go to your grocery store, find a corn flour called "Masa Harina" and they will have recipes on the bag for all of this stuff...yummy! Funny, my name is Jon...short for Jonathan, thought u were talking about me for a sec!! He he

Are you directing her to the stuff that is alread made?? that is, the pre made corn dough??

[berkeley]

Tamor,

take your pic!!

--->RECIPES<--- (http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=recipe:+sopes&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)

[Monkeyman]

Are you directing her to the stuff that is alread made?? that is, the pre made corn dough??sure,but the flour, not dough

[berkeley]

sure,but the flour, not dough

ahh... I'm lost.. lol.. cold section? or room temp??

[Monkeyman]

Ha, your first recipe posted calles for 3 cups of.......MASA HARINA!!!

[tamor]

Hmmm, prob hispanic, wal mart grocery in Maine carries it so I think it would in TN as well???


Our local Wal Marts have whole sections of Hispanic foods. I'll look for it. I would just have to buy the ingredients and take them home to my hubby. He's my resident mexican/spanish food cook!

[Monkeyman]

ahh... I'm lost.. lol.. cold section? or room temp??room...its a bag of flour, called masa harina

[berkeley]

nvm.. lol.. I get it..

[Monkeyman]

In cali, you can go to mexican markets and buy the dough outright...yummy too!

[berkeley]

Tamor,

sometimes it's called 'masa de maiz' (corn)

[tamor]

room...its a bag of flour, called masa harina


Okay. That's what I thought you meant. And there are recipes on there?

[Monkeyman]

Okay. That's what I thought you meant. And there are recipes on there?yup, including their website...tamales, sopas, tostadas, tortillas.....mmmmmmm

[berkeley]

In cali, you can go to mexican markets and buy the dough outright...yummy too!

no way.. one yr for christmas mom bought pre made stuff to make tamales... we got sick!!

[tamor]

In cali, you can go to mexican markets and buy the dough outright...yummy too!


Yum - I would love that! I wish I lived in a city - I would love to be able to go to market.

[tamor]

no way.. one yr for christmas mom bought pre made stuff to make tamales... we got sick!!


LOL!!

[tamor]

yup, including their website...tamales, sopas, tostadas, tortillas.....mmmmmmm


Oh yay. I'll definitely be checking this out!

[berkeley]

man.. now I'm in the mood for pupusa. My friend from El Salvador introduced me to it! She took me to a storefront restaurant in the ghetto of Salt Lake City... great stuff!!

[Monkeyman]

no way.. one yr for christmas mom bought pre made stuff to make tamales... we got sick!!Try El Dorado Market in Stockton...restaurants get their mix from them...good stuff!

[berkeley]

Try El Dorado Market in Stockton...restaurants get their mix from them...good stuff!

uh.. that's a bit of a drive... lol..

[tamor]

Tamor,

take your pic!!

--->RECIPES<--- (http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=recipe:+sopes&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)


Ooh, I missed this one earlier Berk. Thanks. I will have fun with this!

[Monkeyman]

man.. now I'm in the mood for pupusa. My friend from El Salvador introduced me to it! She took me to a storefront restaurant in the ghetto of Salt Lake City... great stuff!!I have friends here in Canada that are from El salvador and introduced me to them as well...awesome stuff! They laughed at me because I had to put chile (hot salsa) on them!

[Monkeyman]

uh.. that's a bit of a drive... lol..
Listen pal...I drove 6 hours for a cheeseburger last month...a couple of months ago I drove 3 hours for a 32oz steak!!! Anything for good food...life is short...especially when ur eating 32oz steaks!

[tamor]

I have friends here in Canada that are from El salvador and introduced me to them as well...awesome stuff! They laughed at me because I had to put chile (hot salsa) on them!


What is pupusa?

My hubby always gets chile at the Mexican Restaurants. When they bring the chips and salsa, he requests hot chile. NASTY!!

[berkeley]

I have friends here in Canada that are from El salvador and introduced me to them as well...awesome stuff! They laughed at me because I had to put chile (hot salsa) on them!

While in Utah, I was schooled on the word "salsa." It means "sauce." I no longer wonder why people ask for "salsa de chile."

[berkeley]

What is pupusa?

My hubby always gets chile at the Mexican Restaurants. When they bring the chips and salsa, he requests hot chile. NASTY!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pupusa

[Monkeyman]

What is pupusa?

My hubby always gets chile at the Mexican Restaurants. When they bring the chips and salsa, he requests hot chile. NASTY!!kind of two soft corn tortillas molded together filled with meat and topped with a mild sauce and cabbage/salad/tomatos

[tamor]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pupusa


That sounds good! Never heard of them, but would definitely try them.

[Monkeyman]

That sounds good! Never heard of them, but would definitely try them.very mild the way el savadorians like it...not like us macho mexicans, haha, we like it HOT!!!!! Thats why we're tougher at soccer!

[berkeley]

very mild the way el savadorians like it...not like us macho mexicans, haha, we like it HOT!!!!! Thats why we're tougher at soccer!

oh.. right, you're Mexican.

[Monkeyman]

oh.. right, you're Mexican.
Viva la raza, coconut....j/t!!!

[tamor]

very mild the way el savadorians like it...not like us macho mexicans, haha, we like it HOT!!!!! Thats why we're tougher at soccer!


:killinme :killinme

[berkeley]

Viva la raza, coconut....j/t!!!

Ne me digas coco!!!

[tamor]

I'm out of this conversation! No comprehende el spanio.......

[Monkeyman]

Ne me digas coco!!!
si mon ese..we're gonna get in trouble with Malvaro again, he he! :thumbsup

[berkeley]

I'm out of this conversation! No comprehende el spanio.......

we can tell... :killinme

[berkeley]

si mon ese..we're gonna get in trouble with Malvaro again, he he! :thumbsup

that's what i was thinkin..

[Monkeyman]

we can tell... :killinmehahahhaha:highfive

[tamor]

we can tell... :killinme


Smarty pants!!


:smack :smack

[tamor]

hahahhaha:highfive


You too Mister Monkey!

:hunter

[Monkeyman]

Smarty pants!!


:smack :smackthat was very....el meano...........hahahahahaha::killinme :killinme

[Monkeyman]

If I keep this up, I have a feeling I will be....el deado!!!!

[COOPER]

Wow , I think I will eat a tortilia now with my home made salsa!

[tamor]

If I keep this up, I have a feeling I will be....el deado!!!!


What tipped you off?

:beatdeadhorse

[tamor]

Wow , I think I will eat a tortilia now with my home made salsa!


Oh I've already got a new grocery list made for Wal Mart to make all kinds of homemade stuff. (actually I will buy groceries for my hubby - he just doesn't know it yet :lol )

[berkeley]

had to make a run.. and now the CMA's are on!!

[berkeley]

Wow , I think I will eat a tortilia now with my home made salsa!

what kind of sauce??

[Trouvere]

Zieweback?

Okay I spelled it wrong.I hope it wasn't a bad word..loll
Zwieback

[COOPER]

what kind of sauce??

Just a simple salsa.

A few Tomatoes, one onion , three jalapeños, cilantro, garlic and salt.

Then put it all in the blender.

[Digging4Truth]

Just a simple salsa.

A few Tomatoes, one onion , three jalapeños, cilantro, garlic and salt.

Then put it all in the blender.

seeded or whole jalapenos?

fresh or canned or does it matter?

[Ronzo]

seeded or whole jalapenos?

fresh or canned or does it matter?
I use whole jalepenos (or serranos) and canned tomatoes.

[Ronzo]

And don't forget the cilantro. Gotta have the cilantro.

[tamor]

And don't forget the cilantro. Gotta have the cilantro.


What is cilantro?

[Ronzo]

What is cilantro?


You don't know what cilantro is????http://www.reymah.com/images/smilies/faint.gif



:)



http://www.bigoven.com/whatis.aspx?id=Cilantro

Clicky dat

[tamor]

You don't know what cilantro is????http://www.reymah.com/images/smilies/faint.gif



:)



http://www.bigoven.com/whatis.aspx?id=Cilantro

Clicky dat


I just thought that was leaves off the tree. ;) :heeheehee

[Monkeyman]

I just thought that was leaves off the tree. ;) :heeheeheeits an herb, VERY bitter. My familiy is divided over this serious issue, cilantro/no cilantro in salsa. We leave it out of our hot salsa and put it in the milds, yiou want to be careful, too much and you have ruined the flavor.

As far as peppers, canned (without pickling) will work, but even better: Roast your peppers and then take off charred skin and use the rest for your salsa, wow, good stuff!

[tamor]

its an herb, VERY bitter. My familiy is divided over this serious issue, cilantro/no cilantro in salsa. We leave it out of our hot salsa and put it in the milds, yiou want to be careful, too much and you have ruined the flavor.

As far as peppers, canned (without pickling) will work, but even better: Roast your peppers and then take off charred skin and use the rest for your salsa, wow, good stuff!


How much is too much? I've got to try this!

So you do use either kind of peppers? We always have both at the house. Jon eats them whole, with just about anything. But he keeps the canned ones too. So I could go either way.

[Monkeyman]

How much is too much? I've got to try this!

So you do use either kind of peppers? We always have both at the house. Jon eats them whole, with just about anything. But he keeps the canned ones too. So I could go either way.
Here is a quick and easy recipe.

Food processor, hot house tomatos (6 large), spanish onion, garlic (couple of cloves) or powder, 4-6 sprigs of cilantro, salt, lime or lime juice(teaspoon), 2-3 jalapenos (more if you lika da spicy)

Boil tomoatos and then take off skin.
Roast peppers in oven (grill setting) as per previous post.

combine all ingredients in food processor NOT BLENDER!!! and enjoy, mmmmm.

Take those store bought corn tortillas, Mission if ya can get em, cut into wedges, deep fry, salt and then happy dipping into your new easy salsa!

And in advance I will say, "You're Welcome" he he

[COOPER]

seeded or whole jalapeños?

fresh or canned or does it matter?

All fresh veggies, except I did use minced garlic out of a little bottle.

The jalapeños were seeded or whole depends how hot you like it.

Some times I will throw a Jabañero pepper in there just for fun.

I like lots of cilantro.

[tamor]

Here is a quick and easy recipe.

Food processor, hot house tomatos (6 large), spanish onion, garlic (couple of cloves) or powder, 4-6 sprigs of cilantro, salt, lime or lime juice(teaspoon), 2-3 jalapenos (more if you lika da spicy)

Boil tomoatos and then take off skin.
Roast peppers in oven (grill setting) as per previous post.

combine all ingredients in food processor NOT BLENDER!!! and enjoy, mmmmm.

Take those store bought corn tortillas, Mission if ya can get em, cut into wedges, deep fry, salt and then happy dipping into your new easy salsa!

And in advance I will say, "You're Welcome" he he

All fresh veggies, except I did use minced garlic out of a little bottle.

The jalapeños were seeded or whole depends how hot you like it.

Some times I will throw a Jabañero pepper in there just for fun.

I like lots of cilantro.

Thanks Guys!! I an't wait to try these!! :thumbsup