Rebekah Got a Nose Ring?

[SDG]

Abraham's servant brings jewelry, on Abe's behalf, to the future bride of his son:

New American Bible:

Genesis 24

The man watched her the whole time, silently waiting to learn whether or not the LORD had made his errand successful. 22 When the camels had finished drinking, the man took out a gold ring weighing half a shekel, which he fastened on her nose, and two gold bracelets weighing ten shekels, which he put on her wrists. 23 Then he asked her: "Whose daughter are you? Tell me, please. And is there room in your father's house for us to spend the night?" 24 She answered: "I am the daughter of Bethuel the son of Milcah, whom she bore to Nahor. 25 There is plenty of straw and fodder at our place," she added, "and room to spend the night." 26 The man then bowed down in worship to the LORD, 27 saying: "Blessed be the LORD, the God of my master Abraham, who has not let his constant kindness toward my master fail. As for myself also, the LORD has led me straight to the house of my master's brother."


Interestingly the KJV translates the Hebrew word nexem simply as ring ... when indeed it is a nose ring?:

nexem (neh'-zem) a) a nose ring [woman's ornament]; b) an earring [ornament of men or women] (5141)

What sayest thou? Rebekah got a nose ring from father Abraham?

[SDG]

In the Spanish Reina Valera 1960.... it is also translated as an earing/nose ring .... pendiente ....

22 Y cuando los camellos acabaron de beber, le dio el hombre un pendiente de oro que pesaba medio siclo, y dos brazaletes que pesaban diez,

[Arphaxad]

Abraham's servant brings jewelry, on Abe's behalf, to the future bride of his son:

New American Bible:
The man watched her the whole time, silently waiting to learn whether or not the LORD had made his errand successful. 22 When the camels had finished drinking, the man took out a gold ring weighing half a shekel, which he fastened on her nose, and two gold bracelets weighing ten shekels, which he put on her wrists. 23 Then he asked her: "Whose daughter are you? Tell me, please. And is there room in your father's house for us to spend the night?" 24 She answered: "I am the daughter of Bethuel the son of Milcah, whom she bore to Nahor. 25 There is plenty of straw and fodder at our place," she added, "and room to spend the night." 26 The man then bowed down in worship to the LORD, 27 saying: "Blessed be the LORD, the God of my master Abraham, who has not let his constant kindness toward my master fail. As for myself also, the LORD has led me straight to the house of my master's brother."


Interestingly the KJV translates the Hebrew word nexem simply as ring ... when indeed it is a nose ring?:

nexem (neh'-zem) a) a nose ring [woman's ornament]; b) an earring [ornament of men or women] (5141)

What sayest thou? Rebekah got a nose ring from father Abraham?


Thats what the Bible says.

[Praxeas]

Sounds like the name of a song. Rebekkah got a nose ring yeah yeah yeah

[SDG]

Sounds like the name of a song. Rebekkah got a nose ring yeah yeah yeah

Not a sanctioned Apostolic song that's for sure .... :ursofunny

[StillStanding]

Not a sanctioned Apostolic song that's for sure .... :ursofunny

:lol It will be a while before it becomes a recognized praise chorus! :)

[Praxeas]

Janey got a gun and Rebekah got a nose ring

[Digging4Truth]

Well... Sister Rebekah is welcome to go to heaven... but not from Epley's church. :)

[ILuvFPC]

Why don't you get ur wife one!! :largehalo

[SDG]

Well... Sister Rebekah is welcome to go to heaven... but not from Epley's church. :)

IRONIC ... HUH??

[BrotherEastman]

IRONIC ... HUH??

So? Rebekkah had a nose ring. Rachel had an Idol, does that make it right?

[Praxeas]

So? Rebekkah had a nose ring. Rachel had an Idol, does that make it right?
Does it make jewelry wrong? Abraham was the one that offered those gifts....remember he separated himself from his idolatrous family. So yes Idols are wrong, Jewelry was not it seems.

Again, I asked this on the other topic...what OTHER things to Pagans do? They eat, they sleep, the breath....they wear clothing. Come on, this is selective argumentation. If they did it then it is wrong, Well they did it but it is not wrong?

[SDG]

So? Rebekkah had a nose ring. Rachel had an Idol, does that make it right?

Thanks Praxeas for reminding my brother Eastman WHO GAVE IT TO HER .....

c'mon ... Easty ... you can do better than that .... :laffatu

[BrotherEastman]

Does it make jewelry wrong? Abraham was the one that offered those gifts....remember he separated himself from his idolatrous family. So yes Idols are wrong, Jewelry was not it seems.

Again, I asked this on the other topic...what OTHER things to Pagans do? They eat, they sleep, the breath....they wear clothing. Come on, this is selective argumentation. If they did it then it is wrong, Well they did it but it is not wrong?
So, go get you a nose ring.

[StillStanding]

Does it make jewelry wrong? Abraham was the one that offered those gifts....remember he separated himself from his idolatrous family. So yes Idols are wrong, Jewelry was not it seems.

Again, I asked this on the other topic...what OTHER things to Pagans do? They eat, they sleep, the breath....they wear clothing. Come on, this is selective argumentation. If they did it then it is wrong, Well they did it but it is not wrong?

Maybe Abraham had an argument with her, and secretly wanted Rebecca to go to hell! :)

[BrotherEastman]

:laffatu Thanks Praxeas for reminding my brother Eastman WHO GAVE IT TO HER .....

c'mon ... Easty ... you can do better than that .... :laffatu
So, when you gonna get that piercing?:laffatu :smack

[Praxeas]

So, go get you a nose ring.
why? Nobody is arguing you HAVE to have a nose ring....

[Praxeas]

Maybe Abraham had an argument with her, and secretly wanted Rebecca to go to hell! :)
lol

[SDG]

:laffatu
So, when you gonna get that piercing?:laffatu :smack

The point is not to justify getting my nose pierced ... Easty ....

it's an examination of of TRUTH ... some in our movement claim to have a corner on it ... and adulterate the word to justify their man-made extrabiblical doctrines ... it's about being theologically and intellectually honest ....

The people we seek to save .. deserve as much.

[tamor]

Janey got a gun and Rebekah got a nose ring

And I shot the sheriff but I did not shoot the deputy.......:sing

[SDG]

BTW ... my nose is already PERFECT AS IS.

[Praxeas]

So is my Italian nose. Just fine without a ring...:thumbsup

[Steve Epley]

And the point is???????????????????????????????????????

[Brett Prince]

And the point is???????????????????????????????????????

Those Apostolic men who have had nose rings put in by their wife can go to heaven! :D

[berkeley]

And the point is???????????????????????????????????????

gonna buy you stilts covered with gold so you are not left out!!!:tease

[Steve Epley]

Those Apostolic men who have had nose rings put in by their wife can go to heaven! :D

Now I understand thank you.:highfive

[Thad]

DAN Nose rings are not acceptable even by polite society. it's a sub-culture appearance , on the fringe with the rest of the cultural norm.
earrings are acceptable yes, but we find it inconsistant to say that you can mutilate one part of your body but not another. where does the ridiculousness stop ?

[MissBrattified]

Scripturally legal or not, my husband better not come near me with any gift meant to pierce my nose. OUCH!!!!

[SDG]

DAN Nose rings are not acceptable even by polite society. it's a sub-culture appearance , on the fringe with the rest of the cultural norm.
earrings are acceptable yes, but we find it inconsistant to say that you can mutilate one part of your body but not another. where does the ridiculousness stop ?

Please send your questions THAD ... to father Abraham.

[berkeley]

Please send your questions THAD ... to father Abraham.

:killinme

[MissBrattified]

I think that in some other culture (say, India[n]?) where jewelry, including piercings are more acceptable in polite society, there could be a case made for women perhaps wearing them even after conversion??? But I agree with Thad on this one....in the United States body piercings really identify you with the punk-under-culture, and to be just plain rude, they make you look like white trash. And THAT'S my honest opinion.

[Thad]

Please send your questions THAD ... to father Abraham.

come on Dan you know good and well what they did 4000 yrs ago they was under another Law and dispensation or whatever you want to call it.
A man at that time could buy and sell wives too. shall we do that too because father Abraham advocated that ?

[SDG]

come on Dan you know good and well what they did 4000 yrs ago they was under another Law and dispensation or whatever you want to call it.
A man at that time could buy and sell wives too. shall we do that too because father Abraham advocated that ?

Thad ... here's the deal ... there is NO COMMAND OR EVIDENCE IN THE BIBLE THAT GOD IS AGAINST JEWELRY OR WILL SPLIT THE GATES OF HELL FOR SOMEONE WEARING IT MODERATELY .... NONE ... ZILCH ... NADA .....

there are clear commands for having ONE WIFE in this dispensation ....

Simple.

[Steve Epley]

Thad ... here's the deal ... there is NO COMMAND OR EVIDENCE IN THE BIBLE THAT GOD IS AGAINST JEWELRY OR WILL SPLIT THE GATES OF HELL FOR SOMEONE WEARING IT MODERATELY .... NONE ... ZILCH ... NADA .....

there a commands for having ONE WIFE in this dispensation ....

Simple.

And NOT to wear gold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOT just like NOT to steal NOT to lie NOT to commit adultery how about moderation on adultery??????????????????

[Thad]

Thad ... here's the deal ... there is NO COMMAND OR EVIDENCE IN THE BIBLE THAT GOD IS AGAINST JEWELRY OR WILL SPLIT THE GATES OF HELL FOR SOMEONE WEARING IT MODERATELY .... NONE ... ZILCH ... NADA .....

there are clear commands for having ONE WIFE in this dispensation ....

Simple.



So Dan, do you wear earrings?

[SDG]

And NOT to wear gold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOT just like NOT to steal NOT to lie NOT to commit adultery how about moderation on adultery??????????????????

It's too bad two mis-interpreted verses are the pre-text of a non-existent command ... besides God's paved entire streets w/ that stuff.

[SDG]

So Dan, do you wear earrings?

This question was answered in this thread ... this is about being responsible w/ the Word given to us to teach ....

[Arphaxad]

Scripturally legal or not, my husband better not come near me with any gift meant to pierce my nose. OUCH!!!!


How about clip-ons?

[berkeley]

It's too bad two mis-interpreted verses are the pre-text of a non-existent command ... besides God's paved entire streets w/ that stuff.

the answer I once got to this:

"thats like going around wearing gravel.. would you go around wearing jewelry made of pavement??"

[Steve Epley]

It's too bad two mis-interpreted verses are the pre-text of a non-existent command ... besides God's paved entire streets w/ that stuff.

Just quoting Paul. NOT with is simple to me!


Are YOU going to do the same with every NOT in the NT?????????????

[Arphaxad]

And I shot the sheriff but I did not shoot the deputy.......:sing

he was stabbed!

[tamor]

he was stabbed!


Say it ain't so!!

:begging

[Praxeas]

BTW women in that area had in times past wore their dowry. They would collect gold coins and make them into necklaces
http://www.edu-negev.gov.il/mad/turkyabu/eng/PORGA1.html

And Hebrew dowries included jewelry
Dowry
dou´ri: In all Hebrew marriages, the dowry held an important place. The dowry sealed the betrothal. It took several forms. The bridegroom presented gifts to the bride. There was the מהר, mōhar, "dowry" as distinguished from מתּן, mattān, "gifts to the members of the family" (compare Gen_24:22, Gen_24:53; Gen_34:12). The price paid to the father or brothers of the bride was probably a survival of the early custom of purchasing wives (Gen_34:12; Exo_22:17; 1Sa_18:25; compare Rth_4:10; Hos_3:2). There was frequently much negotiation and bargaining as to size of dowry (Gen_34:12). The dowry would generally be according to the wealth and standing of the bride (compare 1Sa_18:23). It might consist of money, jewelry or other valuable effects; sometimes, of service rendered, as in the case of Jacob (Gen_29:18); deeds of valor might be accepted in place of dowry (Jos_15:16; 1Sa_18:25; Jdg_1:12). Occasionally a bride received a dowry from her father; sometimes in the shape of land (Jdg_1:15), and of cities (1Ki_9:16). In later Jewish history a written marriage contract definitely arranged for the nature and size of the dowry.

[Steve Epley]

BTW women in that area had in times past wore their dowry. They would collect gold coins and make them into necklaces
http://www.edu-negev.gov.il/mad/turkyabu/eng/PORGA1.html

And Hebrew dowries included jewelry
Dowry
dou´ri: In all Hebrew marriages, the dowry held an important place. The dowry sealed the betrothal. It took several forms. The bridegroom presented gifts to the bride. There was the מהר, mōhar, "dowry" as distinguished from מתּן, mattān, "gifts to the members of the family" (compare Gen_24:22, Gen_24:53; Gen_34:12). The price paid to the father or brothers of the bride was probably a survival of the early custom of purchasing wives (Gen_34:12; Exo_22:17; 1Sa_18:25; compare Rth_4:10; Hos_3:2). There was frequently much negotiation and bargaining as to size of dowry (Gen_34:12). The dowry would generally be according to the wealth and standing of the bride (compare 1Sa_18:23). It might consist of money, jewelry or other valuable effects; sometimes, of service rendered, as in the case of Jacob (Gen_29:18); deeds of valor might be accepted in place of dowry (Jos_15:16; 1Sa_18:25; Jdg_1:12). Occasionally a bride received a dowry from her father; sometimes in the shape of land (Jdg_1:15), and of cities (1Ki_9:16). In later Jewish history a written marriage contract definitely arranged for the nature and size of the dowry.


And this proves what???????????????
Abraham married his sister
Abraham had a wife and a concubine
Jacob had 2 wives with four concubines
Are you saying this is okay in the NT church?????

Samuel slew Agag is that permitted today?????

Tamar concieved a child by Judah then he married her is that acceptable today?

There were things permitted in the OT that are NOT allowed in the NT church.
You know that and so do I.

[Hoovie]

Sounds like the name of a song. Rebekkah got a nose ring yeah yeah yeah

... get the sheriff on the phone...

Lawd, how'd she git that nose ring on?!

[Brett Prince]

And this proves what???????????????
Abraham married his sister
Abraham had a wife and a concubine
Jacob had 2 wives with four concubines
Are you saying this is okay in the NT church?????

Samuel slew Agag is that permitted today?????

Tamar concieved a child by Judah then he married her is that acceptable today?

There were things permitted in the OT that are NOT allowed in the NT church.
You know that and so do I.

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Steve Epley]

And this proves what???????????????
Abraham married his sister
Abraham had a wife and a concubine
Jacob had 2 wives with four concubines
Are you saying this is okay in the NT church?????

Samuel slew Agag is that permitted today?????

Tamar concieved a child by Judah then he married her is that acceptable today?

There were things permitted in the OT that are NOT allowed in the NT church.
You know that and so do I.

Any answers??????????????????:club

[SDG]

Any answers??????????????????:club

Yeah ... clear mandates by Jesus that polygamy is prohibited ....as is killing .... you base your ban on jewelry base on a backwoods paradigm and gross misnterpretation of 2 pretexts found in the Epistles.

[Steve Epley]

Yeah ... clear mandates by Jesus that polygamy is prohibited ....as is killing .... you base your ban on jewelry base on a backwoods paradigm and gross misnterpretation of 2 pretexts found in the Epistles.

Sorry won't work you and others have said because saints wore jewelry in the OT it was alright today. But when I corner you then you jump ship.

[SDG]

Sorry won't work you and others have said because saints wore jewelry in the OT it was alright today. But when I corner you then you jump ship.

And you're claim is that it somehow is banned today IS bunk ... and the fact that scripture does not vilify or ban but rather celebrates is usage means nothing to preacher of the TRUTH????

[ILG]

Abraham's servant brings jewelry, on Abe's behalf, to the future bride of his son:

New American Bible:

Genesis 24

The man watched her the whole time, silently waiting to learn whether or not the LORD had made his errand successful. 22 When the camels had finished drinking, the man took out a gold ring weighing half a shekel, which he fastened on her nose, and two gold bracelets weighing ten shekels, which he put on her wrists. 23 Then he asked her: "Whose daughter are you? Tell me, please. And is there room in your father's house for us to spend the night?" 24 She answered: "I am the daughter of Bethuel the son of Milcah, whom she bore to Nahor. 25 There is plenty of straw and fodder at our place," she added, "and room to spend the night." 26 The man then bowed down in worship to the LORD, 27 saying: "Blessed be the LORD, the God of my master Abraham, who has not let his constant kindness toward my master fail. As for myself also, the LORD has led me straight to the house of my master's brother."


Interestingly the KJV translates the Hebrew word nexem simply as ring ... when indeed it is a nose ring?:

nexem (neh'-zem) a) a nose ring [woman's ornament]; b) an earring [ornament of men or women] (5141)

What sayest thou? Rebekah got a nose ring from father Abraham?

Yes, Rebekah got a nose ring. BUt it didn't mean a negative thing in her culture like it does in ours.

[Steve Epley]

And you're claim is that it somehow is banned today IS bunk ... and the fact that scripture does not vilify or ban but rather celebrates is usage means nothing to preacher of the TRUTH????

Again you claim the right BECAUSE then when cornered you just jump ship on your original argument.

Our difference on the verse in 1Tim. is one thing however many of you have used the examples in the OT as PROOF it is alright but abandon it when cornered. I figured as much.:club

I do understand what NOT means even thought evidently you do NOT.:heeheehee

[Steve Epley]

Yes, Rebekah got a nose ring. BUt it didn't mean a negative thing in her culture like it does in ours.

NOPE according to the scholars on AFF EVERY married woman and man MUST wear a NOSE ring to prove they are married. Sounds good to me. I hope your pastor's wife shows up with a mega nose ring next service.

[SDG]

Again you claim the right BECAUSE then when cornered you just jump ship on your original argument.

Our difference on the verse in 1Tim. is one thing however many of you have used the examples in the OT as PROOF it is alright but abandon it when cornered. I figured as much.:club

I do understand what NOT means even thought evidently you do NOT.:heeheehee

No one has jumped ship ... I see two strong arguments which you cannot refute ... one that jewelry was never a sin ... as some in the Apostolic movement have tried to paint .... and there is no command in the NT against it .... both a rock solid team that makes a slam dunk against EXTRA-BIBLICAL HERETICAL TEACHING GUISED AS THE TRUTH ABOUT GOD'S HOLINESS ..

[ILG]

NOPE according to the scholars on AFF EVERY married woman and man MUST wear a NOSE ring to prove they are married. Sounds good to me. I hope your pastor's wife shows up with a mega nose ring next service.

LOL! Well, not in my book. ;) I believe that modesty means that we should fit into our culture to an extent that we don't look like we are trying to be self-righteous or religious and also that we don't stick out in any other way, sexually, wildly or any other such. A nose ring is not proper in our culture because it is not an acceptable form of expression by the larger culture and is associated with wickedness.

[Truthseeker]

And the point is???????????????????????????????????????

How do you answer the parts where OT saints wore jewelry?

[Steve Epley]

How do you answer the parts where OT saints wore jewelry?

In the oT some things were permitted such as:
polygamy
cuncubines
incestual marriages as in Abraham
vengence as Samuel with Agag
divorce
jewelry

However there are accounts when individuals and groups repented or chose to dedicate they removed their jewelry as Jacob & Isreal in Exo.34.

[SDG]

In the oT some things were permitted such as:
polygamy
cuncubines
incestual marriages as in Abraham
vengence as Samuel with Agag
divorce
jewelry

However there are accounts when individuals and groups repented or chose to dedicate they removed their jewelry as Jacob & Isreal in Exo.34.

I know to God sin is sin ... but to compare wearing jewelry to sexual immorality and murder is ASENINE .....

and furthermore ... more untruths ....God uses it throughout scripture w/ the prophets and in Christ's parables .... all the way to Revelation ... in a positive light

[Steve Epley]

Must head to church to preach against rings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:club

Well maybe not tonight!:bubble

[SDG]

it would be very inconsistent if God were to reward his children w/ concubines and multiple wives ...if he has prohibited such ... yet in scripture God uses jewelry figuratively, allegorically, etc ... in a positive light ....

[CupCake]

No one has jumped ship ... I see two strong arguments which you cannot refute ... one that jewelry was never a sin ... as some in the Apostolic movement have tried to paint .... and there is no command in the NT against it .... both a rock solid team that makes a slam dunk against EXTRA-BIBLICAL HERETICAL TEACHING GUISED AS THE TRUTH ABOUT GOD'S HOLINESS ..

Your right, it never was wrong, still is not wrong. It was never about the outward, it's about the heart. The bible never said a women could not wear gold or braid her hair, it say do not let these become your beauty, but let your beauty come from within.

They really do preach another Gospel, another way other the grace, Gods perfect agape (Jesus)~ Anything outside that will lead one straight to hell!

[ILG]

In the oT some things were permitted such as:
polygamy
cuncubines
incestual marriages as in Abraham
vengence as Samuel with Agag
divorce
jewelry

However there are accounts when individuals and groups repented or chose to dedicate they removed their jewelry as Jacob & Isreal in Exo.34.

The only men in the NT who are said to need to be monogamous is the bishops. "Husband of one wife". LOL! What would you say to those guys with three wives who are converted in Africa?? But God did create Adam and Eve only....as one wife is His plan.

God permitted divorce because of the hardness of their hearts...likely the men's hearts. I think he did this to protect the women. Now, he commands men everywhere to repent. However, there are still two clauses...the adultery clause and where it tells women not to depart from their husbands BUT AND IF she depart to remain unmarried (in other words, she divorced) or be reconciled. But then, I think you are one of those guys who disallows divorce even if someone's spouse cheated on them a million times and caught AIDS and refuses to repent.

[CupCake]

it would be very inconsistent if God were to reward his children w/ concubines and multiple wives ...if he has prohibited such ... yet in scripture God uses jewelry figuratively, allegorically, etc ... in a positive light ....

Very ture, The biblical requirement that a pastor be "the husband of one wife" Where as the bible does not say all men must have one wife, just the (pastor)

1 Tim. 3:12, "Let deacons be the husband of one wife

The minister must have only one wife; he may not be divorced and remarried, or guilty of polygamy.

[Truthseeker]

In the oT some things were permitted such as:
polygamy
cuncubines
incestual marriages as in Abraham
vengence as Samuel with Agag
divorce
jewelry

However there are accounts when individuals and groups repented or chose to dedicate they removed their jewelry as Jacob & Isreal in Exo.34.

I can see that, but what about where God himself says he given them those things as a sign of blessing????

[Praxeas]

Yeah ... clear mandates by Jesus that polygamy is prohibited ....as is killing .... you base your ban on jewelry base on a backwoods paradigm and gross misnterpretation of 2 pretexts found in the Epistles.
Yup

[Praxeas]

Again you claim the right BECAUSE then when cornered you just jump ship on your original argument.

Our difference on the verse in 1Tim. is one thing however many of you have used the examples in the OT as PROOF it is alright but abandon it when cornered. I figured as much.:club

I do understand what NOT means even thought evidently you do NOT.:heeheehee
Actually someone claimed Jewelry was pagan and pointed to Abraham in the OT..from your side and it was pointed out that Abraham was not a pagan AND that God Himself speaks of putting ornamental jewelry ON Israel...hmmmmm.

Pointing to the OT shows that it was NOT considered wrong back then contrary to what a LOT of those of you that oppose all forms of ornaments. That is just a total fabrication. They did wear Jewelry. It was never said to be wrong,

[Praxeas]

In the oT some things were permitted such as:
polygamy
cuncubines
incestual marriages as in Abraham
vengence as Samuel with Agag
divorce
jewelry

However there are accounts when individuals and groups repented or chose to dedicate they removed their jewelry as Jacob & Isreal in Exo.34.
Divorce is still permitted. Concubines and Polygamy was not permitted. It was not outlawed. Abraham practiced incest.

also this might be you shooting your own foot, but Incest was OUTlawed under the law. Where was Jewelry outlawed?

Nor was divorce permissible for any reason under the law. It was the same as Jesus said, for sexual immorality he could divorce her.

Vengence was ok? Why did God say then "Vengeance is mine"?

But where is Jewelry outright said to be a sin or evil anywhere? All you have is "gold and pearls" and even then it does not say it's a new sin or it's evil

[mizpeh]

Actually someone claimed Jewelry was pagan and pointed to Abraham in the OT..from your side and it was pointed out that Abraham was not a pagan AND that God Himself speaks of putting ornamental jewelry ON Israel...hmmmmm.

Pointing to the OT shows that it was NOT considered wrong back then contrary to what a LOT of those of you that oppose all forms of ornaments. That is just a total fabrication. They did wear Jewelry. It was never said to be wrong,

Praxeas,

What do you think about this passage from Isaiah 3?

16 Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet: 17 Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover F21 their secret parts. 18 In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon, 19 The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers, 20 The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings, 21 The rings, and nose jewels, 22 The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins, 23 The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails. 24 And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty. 25 Thy men shall fall by the sword, and thy mighty in the war. 26 And her gates shall lament and mourn; and she being desolate shall sit upon the ground.

[SDG]

Divorce is still permitted. Concubines and Polygamy was not permitted. It was not outlawed. Abraham practiced incest.

also this might be you shooting your own foot, but Incest was OUTlawed under the law. Where was Jewelry outlawed?

Nor was divorce permissible for any reason under the law. It was the same as Jesus said, for sexual immorality he could divorce her.

Vengence was ok? Why did God say then "Vengeance is mine"?

But where is Jewelry outright said to be a sin or evil anywhere? All you have is "gold and pearls" and even then it does not say it's a new sin or it's evil


The law required masters to take an awl and pierce their servants ear ... then an earing was also fastened.

[SDG]

Praxeas,

What do you think about this passage from Isaiah 3?

16 Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet: 17 Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover F21 their secret parts. 18 In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon, 19 The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers, 20 The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings, 21 The rings, and nose jewels, 22 The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins, 23 The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails. 24 And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty. 25 Thy men shall fall by the sword, and thy mighty in the war. 26 And her gates shall lament and mourn; and she being desolate shall sit upon the ground.

I think God is taking issue w/ their vanity ... and pride .... VERSE 16 .... jewelry is only some of the things he will take away ...

22 The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins, 23 The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails.

Are vails, hoods and fine linen also A SIN???

[Praxeas]

Praxeas,

What do you think about this passage from Isaiah 3?

16 Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet: 17 Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover F21 their secret parts. 18 In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon, 19 The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers, 20 The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings, 21 The rings, and nose jewels, 22 The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins, 23 The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails. 24 And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty. 25 Thy men shall fall by the sword, and thy mighty in the war. 26 And her gates shall lament and mourn; and she being desolate shall sit upon the ground.
It doesn't say one thing about jewelry being bad or sinful. It does address their hearts though. It was their pride. Their Attitudes. Look at the verses I posted from Ezekiel

Eze 16:8 "When I passed by you again and saw you, behold, you were at the age for love, and I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your nakedness; I made my vow to you and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Lord GOD, and you became mine.
Eze 16:9 Then I bathed you with water and washed off your blood from you and anointed you with oil.
Eze 16:10 I clothed you also with embroidered cloth and shod you with fine leather. I wrapped you in fine linen and covered you with silk.
Eze 16:11 And I adorned you with ornaments and put bracelets on your wrists and a chain on your neck.
Eze 16:12 And I put a ring on your nose and earrings in your ears and a beautiful crown on your head.
Eze 16:13 Thus you were adorned with gold and silver, and your clothing was of fine linen and silk and embroidered cloth. You ate fine flour and honey and oil. You grew exceedingly beautiful and advanced to royalty.
Eze 16:14 And your renown went forth among the nations because of your beauty, for it was perfect through the splendor that I had bestowed on you, declares the Lord GOD.
Eze 16:15 "But you trusted in your beauty and played the whore because of your renown and lavished your whorings on any passerby; your beauty became his.
Eze 16:16 You took some of your garments and made for yourself colorful shrines, and on them played the whore. The like has never been, nor ever shall be.
Eze 16:17 You also took your beautiful jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given you, and made for yourself images of men, and with them played the whore.

Notice the last three verses...it was their heart that mattered

In fact why did God TAKE the jewels away? Because the jewels were evil? Nope. Because THEY were evil. It was punishment. It was a way of humbling them

[CupCake]

I think Adam and Eve had it right, go naked .

[berkeley]

I think Adam and Eve had it right, go naked .

:highfive

[Praxeas]

The law required masters to take an awl and pierce their servants ear ... then an earing was also fastened.
That is true, if the servant wanted to stay with the Master...and we get a crown of life...Gee God doesn't sound like he hates jewelry.

I can understand he hates the pride we exhibit in jewelry and of those that have wealth and of those that trust in riches. I am against wearing a lot of jewelry or spending what in my view would be a lot of money on it. Because I think there are far better things for His kingdom to be spending my money on, if I had money that is :-)

I would not also buy a really expensive car, but I would get what was practical, reliable and got good gas mileage. I also would do that for the principle Paul put forth of not offending my brother and in this case it would be my poor brother. I think we should, if we had the money, better spend it on missions and our poor brothers in other nations just like they did in the bible by giving money to the Jerusalem church

[Sam]

Among other things, the Isaiah 3 passage mentions:
scarves
veils
purses
mirrors
robes
outer garments
well-set hair
a sweet smell

These were not given as a list of forbidden items. The prophet was condemning an attitude of pride. He did not condemn the wearing of clothing and ornaments. It's pretty much the same thing Peter wrote of in the third chapter of his first epistle. He was not speaking against arranging hair, wearing gold, or putting on clothing/apparel. He was emphasizing that a Christian's real adorning is the attitude, not the outward stuff.

Some of the most haughty, arrogant, prideful folks I've seen had a scowl on their face and were dressed in "long" dresses which were far from modestly priced. By the way, some of the most "beautiful" ladies I've seen were dressed in ways that would please the strictest folks among us. It's a matter of attitude and the spirit that radiates from the person.

[Sister Alvear]

Even the angles have robes in heaven..

[Steve Epley]

It doesn't say one thing about jewelry being bad or sinful. It does address their hearts though. It was their pride. Their Attitudes. Look at the verses I posted from Ezekiel

Eze 16:8 "When I passed by you again and saw you, behold, you were at the age for love, and I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your nakedness; I made my vow to you and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Lord GOD, and you became mine.
Eze 16:9 Then I bathed you with water and washed off your blood from you and anointed you with oil.
Eze 16:10 I clothed you also with embroidered cloth and shod you with fine leather. I wrapped you in fine linen and covered you with silk.
Eze 16:11 And I adorned you with ornaments and put bracelets on your wrists and a chain on your neck.
Eze 16:12 And I put a ring on your nose and earrings in your ears and a beautiful crown on your head.
Eze 16:13 Thus you were adorned with gold and silver, and your clothing was of fine linen and silk and embroidered cloth. You ate fine flour and honey and oil. You grew exceedingly beautiful and advanced to royalty.
Eze 16:14 And your renown went forth among the nations because of your beauty, for it was perfect through the splendor that I had bestowed on you, declares the Lord GOD.
Eze 16:15 "But you trusted in your beauty and played the whore because of your renown and lavished your whorings on any passerby; your beauty became his.
Eze 16:16 You took some of your garments and made for yourself colorful shrines, and on them played the whore. The like has never been, nor ever shall be.
Eze 16:17 You also took your beautiful jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given you, and made for yourself images of men, and with them played the whore.

Notice the last three verses...it was their heart that mattered

In fact why did God TAKE the jewels away? Because the jewels were evil? Nope. Because THEY were evil. It was punishment. It was a way of humbling them


Again in this post notice what they wore:
bracelets
chains on their necks
nose rings
earrings
crown on their heads
BUT NO FINGERRINGS!

The majority of so-called moderates here would be against wearing all that they wore BUT for that they didn't wear that is telling.:bubble

[Praxeas]

Again in this post notice what they wore:
bracelets
chains on their necks
nose rings
earrings
crown on their heads
BUT NO FINGERRINGS!

The majority of so-called moderates here would be against wearing all that they wore BUT for that they didn't wear that is telling.:bubble
They don't mention finger rings....so? It's telling of what? That it's ok to wear all forms of jewelry but finger rings? :laffatu

BTW....if Jesus was against rings, why would he use a parable depicting God, the church and a backslider returning and the Father putting a ring on his hand? Seems by using this parable rings were accepted.

BTW the only thing that is telling is that the bible does not take the hardlined stance against Jewelry that you do

[Steve Epley]

They don't mention finger rings....so? It's telling of what? That it's ok to wear all forms of jewelry but finger rings? :laffatu

BTW....if Jesus was against rings, why would he use a parable depicting God, the church and a backslider returning and the Father putting a ring on his hand? Seems by using this parable rings were accepted.

BTW the only thing that is telling is that the bible does not take the hardlined stance against Jewelry that you do

NO what I am saying you are using this to defend finger rings and they are not mentioned but the jewelry that is mentioned I doubt very seriously if you think a saint should wear it today?? Do you??? NOSE RINGS??????????????

[Trouvere]

Abraham's servant brings jewelry, on Abe's behalf, to the future bride of his son:

New American Bible:

Genesis 24

The man watched her the whole time, silently waiting to learn whether or not the LORD had made his errand successful. 22 When the camels had finished drinking, the man took out a gold ring weighing half a shekel, which he fastened on her nose, and two gold bracelets weighing ten shekels, which he put on her wrists. 23 Then he asked her: "Whose daughter are you? Tell me, please. And is there room in your father's house for us to spend the night?" 24 She answered: "I am the daughter of Bethuel the son of Milcah, whom she bore to Nahor. 25 There is plenty of straw and fodder at our place," she added, "and room to spend the night." 26 The man then bowed down in worship to the LORD, 27 saying: "Blessed be the LORD, the God of my master Abraham, who has not let his constant kindness toward my master fail. As for myself also, the LORD has led me straight to the house of my master's brother."


Interestingly the KJV translates the Hebrew word nexem simply as ring ... when indeed it is a nose ring?:

nexem (neh'-zem) a) a nose ring [woman's ornament]; b) an earring [ornament of men or women] (5141)

What sayest thou? Rebekah got a nose ring from father Abraham?


Yeah it was probably to pull her around with the rest of her SERVILE life.
Women were property back then and if I remember right were purchased
by a dowry.I am sure she was conditioned for this life by the camel affair..lol..
I wonder if the women on this forum would love a nose ring and to be sold to a relative and then get to water camels everyday a bucket at a time...nadda for me.Keep your nose ring to yourself.

[Brother Strange]

Long ago the maidens came to water
in the evening time they say
Isaac sent his servant
to stop Rebecca on her way
my master sent me to tell you
see these jewels rich and rare
wouldn't thou his lovely bride be
in that country over there?

There shall be light in the evening time
The Path to glory you will surely find
through the water way it is the light today
baptized in Jesus name
young and old repent of all your sins
and the Holy Ghost will enter in
the evening light has come
it is a fact that God and Christ are one.

[AGAPE]

uh huh

the sinners have always hunting loop holes

[CupCake]

uh huh

the sinners have always hunting loop holes

Seem to me God must be very confused and miss guided, or maybe he did not attend an Apostolic/Pentecostal Church for insertions on what man thinks ~


False teachings can only lead to one place, a dead end~

[Trouvere]

uh huh

the sinners have always hunting loop holes

This is too funny!!!!!!:killinme

[SDG]

Bumpity ... bump .. bump ... bump

[Sam]

nose rings are not mentioned in the articles of faith.

[SDG]

nose rings are not mentioned in the articles of faith.

That's because it's biblical.

[Steve Epley]

That settles it for me weddings rings are alright if worn in the nose and given by the father-in-law!:nah

[RandyWayne]

Sounds like the name of a song. Rebekkah got a nose ring yeah yeah yeah

Ya, Steve Tyler was the first one I thought of as well. lol

[Pressing-On]

Sounds like the name of a song. Rebekkah got a nose ring yeah yeah yeah

:lol It will be a while before it becomes a recognized praise chorus! :)

:killinme:killinme:killinme

[Pressing-On]

Do they take the ring out when they have a cold? :dunno

I saw this guy with the weirdest ear lobes? He said that he has to take the disk earrings out because it's against his work dress code. I'm thinking, "Dude, your hanging ear lobes are just really sick looking. What is in your mind?"

I guess he could rub them when he gets nervous or something. :D

[Hoovie]

Nose rings fer wimen - I'm fer um. It's a great to clip on the leash.

[Pressing-On]

Nose rings fer wimen - I'm fer um. It's a great to clip on the leash.

You turkey neck!!!!

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