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Ron
02-17-2007, 01:57 PM
Why Women Have Fewer Babies
By Corey Binns
Special to LiveScience
posted: 15 February 2007



The number of children a woman in America has in her lifetime declined during the past two centuries, and it's not just because of the birth control pill.

Historians are closing in on the socio-economic and cultural factors in family downsizing, a trend also found in most of Western Europe.

"There are two reasons fertility rates can decline," said J. David Hacker, a SUNY Binghamton historian. "One explanation is that marriage declines. Not as many women get married, and if they do marry, they do so at a later age, so that there is less time to have children. The second explanation is that people consciously try to limit having children, which was revolutionary in the 19th century."

According to most census estimates, an American woman had on average seven to eight children in 1800. By 1900 the number dropped to about 3.5. That has fallen to slightly more than two today. Birth rates fell first in New England, and then among pioneers as they headed west. Internationally, France led the way to smaller families.

Reconstructing the intricacies of census data has been difficult for dates prior to 1933, when the National Birth Registration system was put into place. With grant money from the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, Hacker is taking a closer look at long-term census trends thanks to a new database developed by the Minnesota Population Center.

Family budgets

Modern economics have made smaller families a good investment, historians and economists agree.

Before the 1800s, children were educated at home or in church. Children became more expensive to care for and less helpful around the house once public schooling became available. At the same time, women were freed up from all-day children-rearing, allowing mothers to enter the paid labor force.

However, money isn't the only incentive for smaller families, experts say.

"We know for sure that you don't have to reach a high level of per capita income for fertility to decline, but we don't know exactly what sets it off," said historian George Atler at Indiana University. "Whether it's general change or attitudes about birth control is still a question debated among demographers today."

The dogma of most major Christian religions during the 1800s forbade abortion and divorce in the United States. And in 1873 the Comstock Act made it illegal to send any so-called obscene materials in the mail, including information about contraception.

Popular literature

Ironically, Hackler said, record sales of two family planning books published in the 1830s suggest that the public was eager to keep families small, regardless of religious or political pressure.

"There's a flurry of publications in the mid-19th century giving readers advice on how to control family size," Hacker told LiveScience.

"Moral Physiology" by Robert Dale Owen and Charles Knowlton's "The Fruits of Philosophy" became popular for advocating contraception methods. Owen described coitus interruptus, where a man ejaculates outside of the woman's body. Knowlton's book included instructions for women on how to wash with a spermicidal solution.

Hacker's research may better inform economists and policy makers about current worldwide trends toward smaller families.

"All nations are experiencing fertility declines," said Hacker. "It's becoming a social policy issue as countries face prospects of caring for an aging population."

My Dad was one of Twelve in his family. My Dad's mom was one of 16!
My Dad only had three kids. I have three kids.
My wife is the second of eight in her family.

We would love to have more kids but we do not have uncles and aunts, grand parents, nor the finances to have a large family.

Can you think of other resons why the birth rate is declining?

Rhymis
02-17-2007, 02:46 PM
Why Women Have Fewer Babies

Than whom?

Bryan
02-17-2007, 02:47 PM
Why Women Have Fewer Babies

Than whom?
than cows... ???

seguidordejesus
02-17-2007, 02:49 PM
than cows... ???

Or rabbits.

Ronzo
02-17-2007, 02:53 PM
or fish

Bryan
02-17-2007, 02:53 PM
oh come on. comparing women to fish or rabbits is not insulting...

let's get back to cows... why do women have fewer babies than cows..??

Praxeas
02-17-2007, 02:55 PM
Why Women Have Fewer Babies

Than whom?
I was gonna ask that....

Anyways. I think it is due to cultural/economic implications.

However if you will take a good look at cultures you will see people from Mexico still having tons of babies. That is part of their culture and is a survival mechanism.

In places with less health care options having many babies was a survival mode. In the bible the reason Kings had so many wives and children was the same sort of thinking...it ensured there would be a surviving member to inherit the throne.

Here in America we have different priorities based on economic and cultural changes.

Did the study say what "race" reproduced less? I bet it's mostly white and asian

Ron
02-17-2007, 02:56 PM
Fewer kids than in previous generations?:D

Bryan
02-17-2007, 02:57 PM
Naw, whities are gettin irresponsible with their activities.

Chinese girl went to school with can't date till she finishes college! Now that's havin' priorities straight!!

Bryan
02-17-2007, 02:58 PM
Fewer kids than in previous generations?:Dyeah, but I was havin fun...

seguidordejesus
02-17-2007, 02:59 PM
Less sex.

Bryan
02-17-2007, 03:01 PM
Less sex.ha.

"I have a headache"


:heeheehee

Ron
02-17-2007, 03:01 PM
The studies point to the Americans, (Canadians mirror it) and europeans.
Fact is the birth rate is declining, and the reason is........................
Do you really want to know why the reason is, do you???:eek:

Too many Single guys not finding a good mate and having tons of Babies!!!:D

There I feel better.:tease

Bryan
02-17-2007, 03:03 PM
Too many Single guys not finding a good mate and having tons of Babies!!!:D

There I feel better.:teasewhat? Not finding a good mate but having tons of babies???

Ron
02-17-2007, 03:05 PM
what? Not finding a good mate but having tons of babies???

You need a Good Wife & then have a quiver ful. Bible says so!

Bryan
02-17-2007, 03:06 PM
You need a Good Wife & then have a quiver ful. Bible says so!
Some would rather sew their seed in multiple fields and reap a harvest... :killinme

Ron
02-17-2007, 03:08 PM
Some would rather sew their seed in multiple fields and reap a harvest... :killinme

Yeah, that's called a Fornicator/Audulterer and we know that they will enjoy skiing on the lake of fire!

Bryan
02-17-2007, 03:10 PM
Yeah, that's called a Fornicator/Audulterer and we know that they will enjoy skiing on the lake of fire!yeah. that's probably true.

Neck
02-17-2007, 04:18 PM
Why Women Have Fewer Babies
By Corey Binns
Special to LiveScience
posted: 15 February 2007



The number of children a woman in America has in her lifetime declined during the past two centuries, and it's not just because of the birth control pill.

Historians are closing in on the socio-economic and cultural factors in family downsizing, a trend also found in most of Western Europe.

"There are two reasons fertility rates can decline," said J. David Hacker, a SUNY Binghamton historian. "One explanation is that marriage declines. Not as many women get married, and if they do marry, they do so at a later age, so that there is less time to have children. The second explanation is that people consciously try to limit having children, which was revolutionary in the 19th century."

According to most census estimates, an American woman had on average seven to eight children in 1800. By 1900 the number dropped to about 3.5. That has fallen to slightly more than two today. Birth rates fell first in New England, and then among pioneers as they headed west. Internationally, France led the way to smaller families.

Reconstructing the intricacies of census data has been difficult for dates prior to 1933, when the National Birth Registration system was put into place. With grant money from the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, Hacker is taking a closer look at long-term census trends thanks to a new database developed by the Minnesota Population Center.

Family budgets

Modern economics have made smaller families a good investment, historians and economists agree.

Before the 1800s, children were educated at home or in church. Children became more expensive to care for and less helpful around the house once public schooling became available. At the same time, women were freed up from all-day children-rearing, allowing mothers to enter the paid labor force.

However, money isn't the only incentive for smaller families, experts say.

"We know for sure that you don't have to reach a high level of per capita income for fertility to decline, but we don't know exactly what sets it off," said historian George Atler at Indiana University. "Whether it's general change or attitudes about birth control is still a question debated among demographers today."

The dogma of most major Christian religions during the 1800s forbade abortion and divorce in the United States. And in 1873 the Comstock Act made it illegal to send any so-called obscene materials in the mail, including information about contraception.

Popular literature

Ironically, Hackler said, record sales of two family planning books published in the 1830s suggest that the public was eager to keep families small, regardless of religious or political pressure.

"There's a flurry of publications in the mid-19th century giving readers advice on how to control family size," Hacker told LiveScience.

"Moral Physiology" by Robert Dale Owen and Charles Knowlton's "The Fruits of Philosophy" became popular for advocating contraception methods. Owen described coitus interruptus, where a man ejaculates outside of the woman's body. Knowlton's book included instructions for women on how to wash with a spermicidal solution.

Hacker's research may better inform economists and policy makers about current worldwide trends toward smaller families.

"All nations are experiencing fertility declines," said Hacker. "It's becoming a social policy issue as countries face prospects of caring for an aging population."

My Dad was one of Twelve in his family. My Dad's mom was one of 16!
My Dad only had three kids. I have three kids.
My wife is the second of eight in her family.

We would love to have more kids but we do not have uncles and aunts, grand parents, nor the finances to have a large family.

Can you think of other resons why the birth rate is declining?

More protection is being used because of Aides. More Abortions is lowering the number. More gays are coming out and the crowd is growing in numbers.

2 people working in a marriage these days.

More Ladies are going to college and having life long careers.

The list could go on and on...

Bryan
02-17-2007, 04:30 PM
More protection is being used because of Aides. More Abortions is lowering the number. More gays are coming out and the crowd is growing in numbers.

2 people working in a marriage these days.

More Ladies are going to college and having life long careers.

The list could go on and on...

You're right. Mentality of some, "so what if i'm a slut and don't use birth control. I'll have an abortion."

and others... "bitter not take chances, where's the Trojan?"

and the freaks "we're here and we're queer!!"

and I may get banned... :)

Margies3
02-17-2007, 07:35 PM
More protection is being used because of Aides. More Abortions is lowering the number. More gays are coming out and the crowd is growing in numbers.

2 people working in a marriage these days.

More Ladies are going to college and having life long careers.

The list could go on and on...

I think you're right. These are all valid reasons for why women are having fewer babies.

But here's another view. For many years, I watched people who really had no idea what "family values" means. Some were married with a couple of kids. But they spent no time together as a family. Others were in and out of relationships and marriages as often as some change their underwear. Their lives revolved around themselves. It was all about "me", not "we" (that was true in both kinds of situations)

Now we've changed churches (3 years ago) and have been involved with people who have much stronger family values than I have seen in any church in years. Family is everything (right behind love for God). And guess what - in our church, the vast majority of our families have 4 or 5 kids. And rarely does the wife work outside of the home.

So maybe a big part of the birth decline has to do with the decline in our value of family.

ZeroedIn
02-17-2007, 07:57 PM
Maybe there is just less hanky panky?:dunno

We have 3 kids in our house! It sure is a lot of fun, always something exciting going on. They(the kids) bring us much joy!!:bliss

Ron
02-17-2007, 08:30 PM
I think you're right. These are all valid reasons for why women are having fewer babies.

But here's another view. For many years, I watched people who really had no idea what "family values" means. Some were married with a couple of kids. But they spent no time together as a family. Others were in and out of relationships and marriages as often as some change their underwear. Their lives revolved around themselves. It was all about "me", not "we" (that was true in both kinds of situations)

Now we've changed churches (3 years ago) and have been involved with people who have much stronger family values than I have seen in any church in years. Family is everything (right behind love for God). And guess what - in our church, the vast majority of our families have 4 or 5 kids. And rarely does the wife work outside of the home.

So maybe a big part of the birth decline has to do with the decline in our value of family.

I think you nailed it Margie!

Margies3
02-17-2007, 08:35 PM
I think you nailed it Margie!

Ron, I've actually been thinking this for quite a while now. I know that I've heard more teaching/preaching on the importance and value of family at this church than I have ever heard in any church I've ever attended. Not that family - or anything else - takes priority over God. But God is seriously the only thing that is valued more than family here.

As a result, not only do we have many families with larger numbers, but we also have people involved in things like Pro-Life clinics, Foster Parenting, homeschooling, etc.

Ron
02-17-2007, 09:21 PM
Ron, I've actually been thinking this for quite a while now. I know that I've heard more teaching/preaching on the importance and value of family at this church than I have ever heard in any church I've ever attended. Not that family - or anything else - takes priority over God. But God is seriously the only thing that is valued more than family here.

As a result, not only do we have many families with larger numbers, but we also have people involved in things like Pro-Life clinics, Foster Parenting, homeschooling, etc.

This is a good thing. So often in society both in the Us & Canada we see the family unit being under attack, under valued, & irrelevant.

It is good to know that families are valued.