View Full Version : Proof that TV Does Work in Reaching the Lost
vrblackwell
05-29-2007, 04:59 PM
Here is a victory report from the UPC couple who were on Wife Swap.
http://www.ninetyandnine.com/sblog/2007/05/wife-swap-pentecost-sunday-victories_28.html
Charlie Brown
05-29-2007, 05:01 PM
Here is a victory report from the UPC couple who were on Wife Swap.
http://www.ninetyandnine.com/sblog/2007/05/wife-swap-pentecost-sunday-victories_28.html
The issue is not if anyone can be reached, but how many will be lost because the door was opened.
The issue is not if anyone can be reached, but how many will be lost because the door was opened.
Do you have the answer?! None of us do...none of us know if anyone will be lost because the door was opened.
Do you have the answer?! None of us do...none of us know if anyone will be lost because the door was opened.
These will just be added to the multitude the UPC lost to bowling alleys once some churches started frequenting those pits of hell. Shame........:sshhh
Whole Hearted
05-29-2007, 05:14 PM
The issue is not if anyone can be reached, but how many will be lost because the door was opened.
:thumbsup:thumbsup:highfive
Charlie Brown
05-29-2007, 05:15 PM
Do you have the answer?! None of us do...none of us know if anyone will be lost because the door was opened.
I have the answer that many are already becoming carnal because preachers and saints alike already have them. It don't take a rocket scientist to see that even on our beloved AFF we have those that see no problem with watching sin.
These will just be added to the multitude the UPC lost to bowling alleys once some churches started frequenting those pits of hell. Shame........:sshhh
On both sides of this issue people make wild claims and off the wall expectations of this and that when the truth is, no one knows what will happen when TV advertising is full-blown open for business.
The deal for me is that this issue is dividing the Body and for what?!
For advertising or broadcasting a church service?!
It's a shame!!
Trouvere
05-29-2007, 05:19 PM
The Hoovers are a great example.Thank God for them.
The Hoovers are a great example.Thank God for them.
Make a nice vacuum cleaner also. My daughter's $99 Hoover out vacuumed and outlasted her mom's $300 X brand one by a lot.
Charlie Brown
05-29-2007, 05:24 PM
On both sides of this issue people make wild claims and off the wall expectations of this and that when the truth is, no one knows what will happen when TV advertising is full-blown open for business.
The deal for me is that this issue is dividing the Body and for what?!
For advertising or broadcasting a church service?!
It's a shame!!
If it was just tv advertisement that was being sought, it may be a little different. But many Preachers are wanting to use this "Advertising" to justify their having a tv and watching ungodliness on that tv.
I have the answer that many are already becoming carnal because preachers and saints alike already have them. It don't take a rocket scientist to see that even on our beloved AFF we have those that see no problem with watching sin.
I have news for you, CB...there are carnal folks in the Church who not only have never watched TV, they can't even spell television.
Do I think TV is a grand thing?! No, there's a lot of junk on it, but y'all are naive if you think a great majority of preachers and Saints don't watch TV or have one already.
Praxeas
05-29-2007, 05:25 PM
The issue is not if anyone can be reached, but how many will be lost because the door was opened.
what door was opened? TV? Many UPCers already watch TV. Make a resolution that disapproves of most of the worldly entertainment ON TV but recognizes that the devil had it long enough :heeheehee
Charlie Brown
05-29-2007, 05:26 PM
I have news for you, CB...there are carnal folks in the church who not only have never watched TV, they can't even spell television.
Do I think TV is a grand thing?! No, there's a lot of junk on it, but y'all are naive if you think a great majority of preachers and Saints don't watch TV or have one already.
And look at the state of the American church because of such. We are in need of great soul searching revival, and preachers are to busy watching Despirate Housewives to pray. God help us!!
Praxeas
05-29-2007, 05:27 PM
I have the answer that many are already becoming carnal because preachers and saints alike already have them. It don't take a rocket scientist to see that even on our beloved AFF we have those that see no problem with watching sin.
But is the fact they have no problem with watching sin the reason they got TV or did TV make them have no problem with watching TV?
Me thinks [you] and the others have no clue :heeheehee
Praxeas
05-29-2007, 05:29 PM
And look at the state of the American church because of such. We are in need of great soul searching revival, and preachers are to busy watching Despirate Housewives to pray. God help us!!
If not the TV the could be watching movies, reading trash novels, porn mags, porn on the internet. Do we blame TV or do we blame those Americans for what they were watching to begin with? Not everyone that has a TV watches Desparate Housewives you know. Maybe the preachers problem is they don't pray not that they have a TV? Not that I think they should have one or any of us, but this is like the argument of whether or not guns kill
Charlie Brown
05-29-2007, 05:29 PM
But is the fact they have no problem with watching sin the reason they got TV or did TV make them have no problem with watching TV?
Me thinks [you] and the others have no clue :heeheehee
Oh, I have no doubt that tv is a symptom, and not the root of the problem. But it does continue to water the root of the issue.
Praxeas
05-29-2007, 05:30 PM
If it was just tv advertisement that was being sought, it may be a little different. But many Preachers are wanting to use this "Advertising" to justify their having a tv and watching ungodliness on that tv.
Can you name those preachers and quote them? :heeheehee
But is the fact they have no problem with watching sin the reason they got TV or did TV make them have no problem with watching TV?
Me thinks [you] and the others have no clue :heeheehee
Cute...I went to respond and saw you were playing around...:thwak
Praxeas
05-29-2007, 05:31 PM
Oh, I have no doubt that tv is a symptom, and not the root of the problem. But it does continue to water the root of the issue.
I never said TV was a symptom...but rather WHAT they are watching ON TV just as what Oneness Pentecostals are also watching ON the Internet.
Charlie Brown
05-29-2007, 05:32 PM
If not the TV the could be watching movies, reading trash novels, porn mags, porn on the internet. Do we blame TV or do we blame those Americans for what they were watching to begin with? Not everyone that has a TV watches Desparate Housewives you know. Maybe the preachers problem is they don't pray not that they have a TV? Not that I think they should have one or any of us, but this is like the argument of whether or not guns kill
My reasoning is just as circular as the opening post!! :killinme
Praxeas
05-29-2007, 05:32 PM
Cute...I went to respond and saw you were playing around...:thwak
Me? Play around? I never play around...see my threat...er..thread on the notice to all forum members :nutso
If it was just tv advertisement that was being sought, it may be a little different. But many Preachers are wanting to use this "Advertising" to justify their having a tv and watching ungodliness on that tv.
And you know this because...?!
Praxeas
05-29-2007, 05:33 PM
The issue is not if anyone can be reached, but how many will be lost because the door was opened.
The door is not TV. The door is our hearts and minds. If we aren't strong enough to advertise on TV without backsliding then we just aren't strong enough to begin with and something is wrong with us
Charlie Brown
05-29-2007, 05:34 PM
And you know this because...?!
Because I have heard it out of quite a few preachers mouth that "come GC it won't be an issue whether we have a tv". So the issue is that many feel this will be the stamp of approval on them having a tv in their home.
The door is not TV. The door is our hearts and minds. If we aren't strong enough to advertise on TV without backsliding then we just aren't strong enough to begin with and something is wrong with us
This is the post of the day in my humble opinion!!:sing
Charlie Brown
05-29-2007, 05:35 PM
The door is not TV. The door is our hearts and minds. If we aren't strong enough to advertise on TV without backsliding then we just aren't strong enough to begin with and something is wrong with us
You said it, and not me. :laffatu
chaotic_resolve
05-29-2007, 05:36 PM
I don't think this one example is "proof" per se that using television works. However when you combine this, along with other churches who have used ads on television, it shows that it can be an effective tool.
Praxeas
05-29-2007, 05:36 PM
Because I have heard it out of quite a few preachers mouth that "come GC it won't be an issue whether we have a tv". So the issue is that many feel this will be the stamp of approval on them having a tv in their home.
Good grief....how many licensed ministers would be dumb enough to say that in ear shot of someone that would use it as ammunition like this? Can you actually number and name those preachers?
Because I have heard it out of quite a few preachers mouth that "come GC it won't be an issue whether we have a tv". So the issue is that many feel this will be the stamp of approval on them having a tv in their home.
No you said that they want to justify watching ungodliness on TV...and you know this because...?!
The door is not TV. The door is our hearts and minds. If we aren't strong enough to advertise on TV without backsliding then we just aren't strong enough to begin with and something is wrong with us
You said it, and not me. :laffatu
Exactly!! If we can't advertise on television without backsliding, there IS something wrong with us...but who's to say anyone will?!
Charlie Brown
05-29-2007, 05:39 PM
Good grief....how many licensed ministers would be dumb enough to say that in ear shot of someone that would use it as ammunition like this? Can you actually number and name those preachers?
I could, but I will not. Do you think I am making this up??
Praxeas
05-29-2007, 05:41 PM
You said it, and not me. :laffatu
Are you admitting there is something wrong with us already? That we as a group are so weak already that you can't even turn on a TV without falling into sin?
What do you preachers and pastors do when you are in a hotel room with that backsliding device staring at you...being the weak person that you are?
Actually I DO think some are weak now and that is OUR fault. Some are weak, never even having a TV. TV is NOT the door I repeat. It's our hearts. Legislating "no TV" does not fix the heart problem or make us stronger. Many who don't have TVs might already NOT even have a consistant prayer life. They've just been following this man made rule for so long (and not necessarily a bad one) that they are used to not having a TV. BUT that does not make them strong or mean the open door of their heart is not properly secured against such things. And BTW in the REAL world much of the garbage that is on TV you might just see in your local city or on the job.
BoredOutOfMyMind
05-29-2007, 05:41 PM
Here is a victory report from the UPC couple who were on Wife Swap.
http://www.ninetyandnine.com/sblog/2007/05/wife-swap-pentecost-sunday-victories_28.html
VB, you need to read our board more.
Stephen Hoover is a member and we discussed this more than once.
Praxeas
05-29-2007, 05:41 PM
I could, but I will not. Do you think I am making this up??
Anyone that would be dumb enough to keep attempting to kick a football with Lucy assuring you that she will not move it this time....well...you get the point :bubble
Charlie Brown
05-29-2007, 05:42 PM
No you said that they want to justify watching ungodliness on TV...and you know this because...?!
Shows that preachers I personally know watch:
Despirate Housewives
CSI (Miami, and all the other ones)
Seinfeild
24
If any of the above is considered "Godly", then I would happily take back all that I have said.
BoredOutOfMyMind
05-29-2007, 05:43 PM
Charlie Brown, maybe the church should stop trying to woo Paris and Brittney wannabees, and instead try to be effective in changing the world, not becoming more like them.
Praxeas
05-29-2007, 05:44 PM
Shows that preachers I personally know watch:
Despirate Housewives
CSI (Miami, and all the other ones)
Seinfeild
24
If any of the above is considered "Godly", then I would happily take back all that I have said.
Those preachers then might have a heart problem. Perhaps they are weak then. The solution is not to take their TVs away like punishing a little child.
I would also say those shows are probably symptomatic but having a TV is not symptomatic.
Shows that preachers I personally know watch:
Despirate Housewives
CSI (Miami, and all the other ones)
Seinfeild
24
If any of the above is considered "Godly", then I would happily take back all that I have said.
And you know these programs are ungodly because...?!
Charlie Brown
05-29-2007, 05:46 PM
Are you admitting there is something wrong with us already? That we as a group are so weak already that you can't even turn on a TV without falling into sin?
What do you preachers and pastors do when you are in a hotel room with that backsliding device staring at you...being the weak person that you are?
Actually I DO think some are weak now and that is OUR fault. Some are weak, never even having a TV. TV is NOT the door I repeat. It's our hearts. Legislating "no TV" does not fix the heart problem or make us stronger. Many who don't have TVs might already NOT even have a consistant prayer life. They've just been following this man made rule for so long (and not necessarily a bad one) that they are used to not having a TV. BUT that does not make them strong or mean the open door of their heart is not properly secured against such things. And BTW in the REAL world much of the garbage that is on TV you might just see in your local city or on the job.
So giving them a tv is going to add to their strength??
Nahum
05-29-2007, 05:47 PM
Isn't all of this kinda old news?
Isn't all of this kinda old news?
Good point...
philjones
05-29-2007, 05:49 PM
Isn't all of this kinda old news?
Don't watch the news either....(I have been taking posting lessons from Wholehearted):heeheehee:heeheehee
Evang.Benincasa
05-29-2007, 05:49 PM
Television to No Man!
In Jesus Name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
Praxeas
05-29-2007, 05:49 PM
So giving them a tv is going to add to their strength??
Who said anything about GIVING someone a TV? LOL...you are ignoring the problem and the problem is that WE are ignoring the real problem. TV is not the problem...the hearts and minds of the people IS the problem.
Saying "no TV" does not address that problem
Who said anything about GIVING someone a TV? LOL...you are ignoring the problem and the problem is that WE are ignoring the real problem. TV is not the problem...the hearts and minds of the people IS the problem.
Saying "no TV" does not address that problem
Thank you!!
Evang.Benincasa
05-29-2007, 05:51 PM
Don't watch the news either....(I have been taking posting lessons from Wholehearted):heeheehee:heeheehee
Praise the Lord Brother Phil.
In Jesus Name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
Nahum
05-29-2007, 05:51 PM
Don't watch the news either....(I have been taking posting lessons from Wholehearted):heeheehee:heeheehee
No to imitate WH posts all you have to do is...
1. :highfive
2. I agree.
or some other cheerleading antic.
Television to No Man!
In Jesus Name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
Hey, Elder...how are you?!
I was just fixing to log off when I saw you here...:highfive
Charlie Brown
05-29-2007, 06:00 PM
Who said anything about GIVING someone a TV? LOL...you are ignoring the problem and the problem is that WE are ignoring the real problem. TV is not the problem...the hearts and minds of the people IS the problem.
Saying "no TV" does not address that problem
Again, you are missing the point. IF my heart is weak, I would hope the doctor puts me on a diet of something besides potatoe chips and ice cream. To say that saying no to tv does not address the problem is incorrect, because the bible is very plain that sometimes we should flee the very apprearance of evil rather than attempt to resist it.
The fact is, in order to change the heart, what is feeding the heart needs to become healthy. Since in our present day, tv is a cesspool of slime, it should not be on the menu. This was originally why the UPCI chose to place it into their bylaws. They knew that if the preacher had a tv, and partook of the secular, carnal entertainment that tv offers, he would be effected by it in a negative way, and eventually it would infect the church body. It has proven to be true.
MrsMcD
05-29-2007, 06:01 PM
Who said anything about GIVING someone a TV? LOL...you are ignoring the problem and the problem is that WE are ignoring the real problem. TV is not the problem...the hearts and minds of the people IS the problem.
Saying "no TV" does not address that problem
Amen
Straightline
05-29-2007, 06:02 PM
Here is a victory report from the UPC couple who were on Wife Swap.
http://www.ninetyandnine.com/sblog/2007/05/wife-swap-pentecost-sunday-victories_28.html
Another "We're looking their way" thread started by AFF's own WEC representative
Discard the circular thinking into the circular file, and walk a
Straightline
Praxeas
05-29-2007, 06:03 PM
Oh good grief....here comes [you] and gang
Evang.Benincasa
05-29-2007, 06:04 PM
Hey, Elder...how are you?!
I was just fixing to log off when I saw you here...:highfive
Doing great we are having wonderful revival here in Fort Lauderdale.
We are baptizing people in Jesus name and praying them through to the Holy Ghost.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
Subdued
05-29-2007, 06:08 PM
Doing great we are having wonderful revival here in Fort Lauderdale.
We are baptizing people in Jesus name and praying them through to the Holy Ghost.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
Life doesn't get any better than THAT!
Evang.Benincasa
05-29-2007, 06:08 PM
Who all is coming to Florida in September to vote against Television?
Who will be the one to represent the Apostolic One God people on the television? Who ever gets on television will be the poster child for all of us whether we are UPCI or not.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
No to imitate WH posts all you have to do is...
1. :highfive
2. I agree.
or some other cheerleading antic.
Now you're using my words .... he is my fav ... AFF Cheerleader ...
Evang.Benincasa
05-29-2007, 06:14 PM
Life doesn't get any better than THAT!
Amen and again amen!!!
I was buying groceries at Whole Food's Market (a large health food supermarket in Fort Lauderdale) Sunday on the way home from church and the cashier turned to me as I was leaving and said "Elder Benincasa would you re-baptize me in Jesus Name!" I said "but of course". Now that's what I call fun! Let's all have fun Brothers and Sisters and baptize and pray through everyone in America!!!!
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
Doing great we are having wonderful revival here in Fort Lauderdale.
We are baptizing people in Jesus name and praying them through to the Holy Ghost.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
That is wonderful news, Bro. Beni...
Evang.Benincasa
05-29-2007, 06:18 PM
That is wonderful news, Bro. Beni...
Thank you Sister Barbara!
In Jesus Name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
Whole Hearted
05-29-2007, 07:02 PM
But is the fact they have no problem with watching sin the reason they got TV or did TV make them have no problem with watching TV?
Me thinks [you] and the others have no clue :heeheehee
I think the one who want or already have TV have no clue.
"To be carnally minded is death."
SoCaliUPC
05-29-2007, 07:37 PM
I never said TV was a symptom...but rather WHAT they are watching ON TV just as what Oneness Pentecostals are also watching ON the Internet.
Bingo.
Listen...as much bad stuff that is on TV, there is just enough bad stuff...and even MORE...on the internet. If one has self-control on the internet...pretty positive to say they have self-control to not watch things they should not be watching. To say that everything on TV is bad and evil is just ignorant.
SoCaliUPC
05-29-2007, 07:39 PM
I don't think this one example is "proof" per se that using television works. However when you combine this, along with other churches who have used ads on television, it shows that it can be an effective tool.
And here it is....it is just another TOOL to use. You can use it or you do not have to. It's funny that we use every other outlet available to us...except this one.
SoCaliUPC
05-29-2007, 07:40 PM
Shows that preachers I personally know watch:
Despirate Housewives
CSI (Miami, and all the other ones)
Seinfeild
24
If any of the above is considered "Godly", then I would happily take back all that I have said.
Mind letting us know what websites you frequent or just drop by occasionally.
SoCaliUPC
05-29-2007, 07:42 PM
Charlie Brown, maybe the church should stop trying to woo Paris and Brittney wannabees, and instead try to be effective in changing the world, not becoming more like them.
What a lame stretch!!!
The scare tactic that if we advertise on TV...THIS is what is going to become of us.
Hoovie
05-29-2007, 07:43 PM
Shows that preachers I personally know watch:
Despirate Housewives
CSI (Miami, and all the other ones)
Seinfeild
24
If any of the above is considered "Godly", then I would happily take back all that I have said.
Hi Charlie, Just saw this thread... Please tell me about the "24" show. I have heard of the others.
JamDat
05-29-2007, 07:52 PM
But is the fact they have no problem with watching sin the reason they got TV or did TV make them have no problem with watching TV?
Me thinks [you] and the others have no clue :heeheehee
Well this one brought me out of the woodwork. What don't I have a clue about?
JamDat
05-29-2007, 07:56 PM
Oh good grief....here comes [you] and gang
What in the world are you talking about??????????????????????????
Hoovie
05-29-2007, 07:56 PM
Well this one brought me out of the woodwork. What don't I have a clue about?
:killinme:killinme:killinme:killinme:killinme: :didimiss
SoCaliUPC
05-29-2007, 07:57 PM
Funny....JamDat fell for it. LOL!!!!
JAMDAT...Go back and read the quote when you reply!!
On both sides of this issue people make wild claims and off the wall expectations of this and that when the truth is, no one knows what will happen when TV advertising is full-blown open for business.
The deal for me is that this issue is dividing the Body and for what?!
For advertising or broadcasting a church service?!
It's a shame!!
Sadly, I will have to Amen you.:depressed
JamDat
05-29-2007, 07:58 PM
For the record JamDat has been no part of a gang except the lurker gang. Now leave me alone and let me get back to watching TV.
JamDat
05-29-2007, 07:59 PM
Funny....JamDat fell for it. LOL!!!!
JAMDAT...Go back and read the quote when you reply!!
The only thing I don't have a clue about is the quote. :bubble
JamDat
05-29-2007, 08:00 PM
The only thing I don't have a clue about is the quote. :bubble
Well that and Preterits.
JamDat
05-29-2007, 08:01 PM
Well that and Preterits.
And Dan. It don't matter which one.
JamDat
05-29-2007, 08:28 PM
HAHA I get it now!!!! That is great. Good one whoever thought of that little trick.
HAHA I get it now!!!! That is great. Good one whoever though of that little trick.
What trick?
Is you seeing things again?:hypercoffee
JamDat
05-29-2007, 08:32 PM
What trick?
Is you seeing things again?:hypercoffee
I thought wow, why is everyone picking on me. LOLOLOLOLOLOL, I haven't been around hardly at all.:didimiss
:laffatu
AFF JamDat
Hoovie
05-29-2007, 08:36 PM
:thumbsup:thumbsup
JD This is proof positive you watch too much TV and not enough AFF internet!!
I thought wow, why is everyone picking on me. LOLOLOLOLOLOL, I haven't been around hardly at all.:didimiss
:laffatu
AFF JamDat
JamDat
05-29-2007, 08:38 PM
:thumbsup:thumbsup
JD This is proof positive you watch too much TV and not enough AFF internet!!
Well my VHS of your show is almost worn out. So I guess soon I'll be back on here more.
Hoovie
05-29-2007, 08:40 PM
Well my VHS of your show is almost worn out. So I guess soon I'll be back on here more.
LOL! I can send you a DVD if you don't have all the lines memorized.:bubble
Theophilus
05-29-2007, 08:52 PM
But is the fact they have no problem with watching sin the reason they got TV or did TV make them have no problem with watching TV?
Me thinks [you] and the others have no clue :heeheehee
How did I get drug into this? Since when did I get a gang? Who nominated me?
Is it that I have no clue, or no remote control?
If I got a remote control, would I then get a clue?
http://bob.bigw.org/bobcomic/cartoonarchives/archive/cartoons/remote_tv.jpg
Charlie Brown
05-29-2007, 10:54 PM
Mind letting us know what websites you frequent or just drop by occasionally.
What does my internet frequenting have to do with anything??
Just so you know, I frequent this forum, the CAF forum, and my gmail account. I occasionally go to dictionary.com to look up the big words that some use here. And then there is blueletterbible.
So are you willing to be honest and tell us what tv shows you watch UPC boy???
Praxeas
05-29-2007, 10:56 PM
What does my internet frequenting have to do with anything??
Just so you know, I frequent this forum, the CAF forum, and my gmail account. I occasionally go to dictionary.com to look up the big words that some use here. And then there is blueletterbible.
So are you willing to be honest and tell us what tv shows you watch UPC boy???
Would you be able to only go to certain channels that don't show bad stuff in the same manner?
Praxeas
05-29-2007, 10:59 PM
BTW not sure what Gmail is like, but if you've ever gone to yahoo or msn you've probably seen some tantalizing ads from Victoria's secret or some other business
HeavenlyOne
05-29-2007, 11:00 PM
Again, you are missing the point. IF my heart is weak, I would hope the doctor puts me on a diet of something besides potatoe chips and ice cream. To say that saying no to tv does not address the problem is incorrect, because the bible is very plain that sometimes we should flee the very apprearance of evil rather than attempt to resist it.
LOL! This is said while posting on the same internet that is highly known for aiding people in having adulterous affairs that lead to divorcing their spouse for the other person........ROFL!!!
The fact is, in order to change the heart, what is feeding the heart needs to become healthy. Since in our present day, tv is a cesspool of slime, it should not be on the menu. This was originally why the UPCI chose to place it into their bylaws. They knew that if the preacher had a tv, and partook of the secular, carnal entertainment that tv offers, he would be effected by it in a negative way, and eventually it would infect the church body. It has proven to be true.
**Removed by Admin**
You are so right. Take it all away and there won't be any problems with the heart!
HeavenlyOne
05-29-2007, 11:02 PM
Bingo.
Listen...as much bad stuff that is on TV, there is just enough bad stuff...and even MORE...on the internet. If one has self-control on the internet...pretty positive to say they have self-control to not watch things they should not be watching. To say that everything on TV is bad and evil is just ignorant.
There was a commercial on TV last night that advertised a website where one can download and and all movies they want for only $10 a month.
Who needs TV??
crakjak
05-29-2007, 11:03 PM
But is the fact they have no problem with watching sin the reason they got TV or did TV make them have no problem with watching TV?
Me thinks [you] and the others have no clue :heeheehee
:nahnah
HeavenlyOne
05-29-2007, 11:03 PM
Well this one brought me out of the woodwork. What don't I have a clue about?
What in the world are you talking about??????????????????????????
It's someone playing with the controls. I don't care for it, so when I see my name from now on, I'm going to ignore what's being said. If it's important and a response is needed, they can PM me.
Charlie Brown
05-29-2007, 11:03 PM
Would you be able to only go to certain channels that don't show bad stuff in the same manner?
Are there such channels? Can you name a few that do not promote the flesh, or a worldly attitude??
HeavenlyOne
05-29-2007, 11:07 PM
Are there such channels? Can you name a few that do not promote the flesh, or a worldly attitude??
I can name several, actually.
Animal Planet
Discovery Health
History Channel
Court TV
Discovery
The Learning Channel
Food Network
Game Show Network
Need I go on??
SoCaliUPC
05-29-2007, 11:11 PM
What does my internet frequenting have to do with anything??
Just so you know, I frequent this forum, the CAF forum, and my gmail account. I occasionally go to dictionary.com to look up the big words that some use here. And then there is blueletterbible.
So are you willing to be honest and tell us what tv shows you watch UPC boy???
It has become quite the "in-thing" to diss TV and to automatically assume that people who watch TV have no self-control over what they watch. You listed some TV shows and said they were all ungodly. All I am doing is saying...look at the internet....can one assume that people who use the internet have no self-control over the things that can be accessed here?
SoCaliUPC
05-29-2007, 11:12 PM
BTW not sure what Gmail is like, but if you've ever gone to yahoo or msn you've probably seen some tantalizing ads from Victoria's secret or some other business
Impossible!!! :bubble
SoCaliUPC
05-29-2007, 11:14 PM
There was a commercial on TV last night that advertised a website where one can download and and all movies they want for only $10 a month.
Who needs TV??
Everything is starting to stream together. On your iPod...you can download movies...and TV shows. Certain networks have it available where you can view today's show tomorrow.
Coffee99
05-30-2007, 12:31 AM
But is the fact they have no problem with watching sin the reason they got TV or did TV make them have no problem with watching TV?
Me thinks [you] and the others have no clue :heeheehee
Could you explain your reference to me?:didimiss
Coffee99
05-30-2007, 12:45 AM
:hypercoffee:lalala:lalala:lalala:hypercoffee
Ok, some of us are a bit slow........
I have many things that say to myself regard some of what is posted, but many of those things would simply just cause an argument if I posted them and might get me banned.
BoredOutOfMyMind
05-30-2007, 12:46 AM
What a lame stretch!!!
The scare tactic that if we advertise on TV...THIS is what is going to become of us.
You are right, it will look so good to have a church advertised between Miller Lite Beer and anyother vice. From the looks of some netcasts, Paris Hilton and Brittney Spears wannabees abound in our churchs now.
WordPreacher
05-30-2007, 12:47 AM
The issue is not if anyone can be reached, but how many will be lost because the door was opened.
I don't know how many will be lost because of TV, but I do know that many will be won because of TV. If it wasn't for some of the TV preachers that I watched, then I wouldn't be born again today.
The Lord used them to reach me and He has used other modes to help me along the way.
BoredOutOfMyMind
05-30-2007, 12:51 AM
BTW not sure what Gmail is like, but if you've ever gone to yahoo or msn you've probably seen some tantalizing ads from Victoria's secret or some other business
My Gmail has zero ads.
I never use yahoo, and friends don't let friends use hotmail.
BoredOutOfMyMind
05-30-2007, 12:55 AM
I can name several, actually.
Animal Planet
Discovery Health
History Channel
Court TV
Discovery
The Learning Channel
Food Network
Game Show Network
Need I go on??
I challenge you to take a yellow pad and everytime you see a church ad, make a hash mark.
Let us know if you can count them on one hand after a week.
WordPreacher
05-30-2007, 12:56 AM
Oh good grief....here comes [you] and gang
Huh?
WordPreacher
05-30-2007, 01:06 AM
Me thinks [you] and the others have no clue :heeheehee
You are being a goofball Bro. I do have a clue and there are many who do need to get a clue. :laffatu
Monkeyman
05-30-2007, 05:19 AM
But is the fact they have no problem with watching sin the reason they got TV or did TV make them have no problem with watching TV?
Me thinks [you] and the others have no clue :heeheehee
Why am I in this discussion prax?
SoCaliUPC
05-30-2007, 09:37 AM
I challenge you to take a yellow pad and everytime you see a church ad, make a hash mark.
Let us know if you can count them on one hand after a week.
Could advertisement also mean a 1/2 hour program on your local public access channel? Or the "local" channel?
BoredOutOfMyMind
05-30-2007, 09:45 AM
Could advertisement also mean a 1/2 hour program on your local public access channel? Or the "local" channel?
Is the argument then about advertising or allowing viewing by members? :bubble
chaotic_resolve
05-30-2007, 09:50 AM
Oh good grief....here comes [you] and gang
:lol Too funny . . .
I spent several hours this past Monday watching back to back to back to back to back to back to back, etc episodes of "Deadliest Catch" on the Discovery Channel. Cool show.
chseeads
05-30-2007, 09:56 AM
And look at the state of the American church because of such. We are in need of great soul searching revival, and preachers are to busy watching Despirate Housewives to pray. God help us!!
.....or too busy posting on AFF and surfing the Internet. :bubble
chseeads
05-30-2007, 10:11 AM
Are there such channels? Can you name a few that do not promote the flesh, or a worldly attitude??
AFF promotes the flesh and a worldly attitude..... :heeheehee
WordPreacher
05-30-2007, 11:20 AM
AFF promotes the flesh and a worldly attitude..... :heeheehee
Thanks. I needed a good laugh. :lol:lol:lol
revrandy
05-30-2007, 11:32 AM
Oh good grief....here comes [you] and gang
Didn't know I had a gang??? maybe a Posse or a gaggle??? Not Sure..:D
aquestioninggirl
05-30-2007, 01:15 PM
But is the fact they have no problem with watching sin the reason they got TV or did TV make them have no problem with watching TV?
Me thinks [you] and the others have no clue :heeheehee
That was scarey!!! How did you do that?
Theophilus
05-30-2007, 01:47 PM
That was scarey!!! How did you do that?
He's gone too far...
He's out of control...
He ought to be banned...:feral
aquestioninggirl
05-30-2007, 01:54 PM
He's gone too far...
He's out of control...
He ought to be banned...:feral
I just want to know how to do it so I can do it too!!!
chseeads
05-30-2007, 02:12 PM
[you]
Quote this post and look at it.
Monkeyman
05-30-2007, 04:49 PM
[you]
Quote this post and look at it.
ok...
Monkeyman
05-30-2007, 04:49 PM
[you]
Quote this post and look at it.
so????
Monkeyman
05-30-2007, 04:51 PM
I hate being out of the loop!!!!! Grrrrrrrrr!
LaVonne
05-30-2007, 04:53 PM
I hate being out of the loop!!!!! Grrrrrrrrr!
Go back, hit the quote button and read the post very carefully...you is inserted where a persons name should be.
Monkeyman
05-30-2007, 04:56 PM
he he he, love it!
LaVonne
05-30-2007, 04:58 PM
he he he, love it!
Now that you know, it's fun, isn't it!!!
BoredOutOfMyMind
05-30-2007, 05:00 PM
he he he, love it!
Click Here (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=134493&postcount=120)
Praxeas
05-30-2007, 06:38 PM
so????
Quote it and LOOK at it before hitting "submit reply" at the bottom of the editor window and you will see the special code
Praxeas
05-30-2007, 06:39 PM
Never mind :heeheehee
South of I 90
05-30-2007, 07:01 PM
But is the fact they have no problem with watching sin the reason they got TV or did TV make them have no problem with watching TV?
Me thinks [you] and the others have no clue :heeheehee
Well I've been glued to my TV's and have missed this.
Prax, thats pretty clever
The issue is not if anyone can be reached, but how many will be lost because the door was opened.
Youa have got to be kidding right....PLEASE sombody tell me that this "Block Head" as he calls himself did not just say that one soul saved was not worth trying!
deacon blues
06-04-2007, 12:56 AM
That's what he said......................
Glass is half empty.......................
Rev Dooley
06-04-2007, 05:34 AM
Youa have got to be kidding right....PLEASE sombody tell me that this "Block Head" as he calls himself did not just say that one soul saved was not worth trying!I would think that he was saying that to win one does not justifying losing one. That's how it comes across to me. This is only stagnation at best since there is no true growth in this event. It is merely swapping people out in a sense.
I must agree with this as well since the idea is to win them, not to lose them.
Hoovie
06-04-2007, 08:06 AM
OK, since we are talking about my family causing souls to be lost, someone please do explain how we have done this egregious sin - I would rather a millstone be hung around my neck than cause deception and eternal damnation to those in the body of Christ.
Steve Hoover
Hoovie
06-04-2007, 09:00 AM
Here is a victory report from the UPC couple who were on Wife Swap.
http://www.ninetyandnine.com/sblog/2007/05/wife-swap-pentecost-sunday-victories_28.html
The issue is not if anyone can be reached, but how many will be lost because the door was opened.
I would think that he was saying that to win one does not justifying losing one. That's how it comes across to me. This is only stagnation at best since there is no true growth in this event. It is merely swapping people out in a sense.
I must agree with this as well since the idea is to win them, not to lose them.
OK, since we are talking about my family causing souls to be lost, someone please do explain how we have done this egregious sin - I would rather a millstone be hung around my neck than cause deception and eternal damnation to those in the body of Christ.
Steve Hoover
MikeinAR
01-22-2008, 08:56 PM
I don't know how many will be lost because of TV, but I do know that many will be won because of TV. If it wasn't for some of the TV preachers that I watched, then I wouldn't be born again today.
The Lord used them to reach me and He has used other modes to help me along the way.
My AG church went on TV fifteeen years ago over most of the state of Arkansas. At first naturally the cameras were different and hindered the Spirit of God a bit. However after a short period of time, we just got back to having Holy Ghost annointed church services and I believe it was clear to the people that what a cold, dying world needed to see more than anything was the manifestation of the power of Pentecost.
After all these years, the cameras and operators are barely noticed and the reports of salvations and interventions in people's lives are powerful. We've seen prison inmates saved, suicidal individuals call our prayer line and I could go on and on.
When Holy Ghost annointed preaching and worship intersect a lost and dying world there will be a harvest. Whether that's on TV, radio, internet, or in person. True pentecostal power has no limits.
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