Have any AFF'ers started a church from zero?

[Darcie]

Just looking for some friendly advice and encouragement.

My husband and I started a Spanish church here in Wilmington, NC a year and a half ago.

It's been a little bit of a roller coaster ride. I was just wondering if anyone had some advice or experiences they may want to share.

[Chewy]

Just looking for some friendly advice and encouragement.

My husband and I started a Spanish church here in Wilmington, NC a year and a half ago.

It's been a little bit of a roller coaster ride. I was just wondering if anyone had some advice or experiences they may want to share.

Do you guys preach in spanish or do you have an interpreter?

[Darcie]

Do you guys preach in spanish or do you have an interpreter?


It's all done in Spanish. We come from an all speaking spanish congregation in NYC.

[Nahum]

Yes!

My favorite topic!

We started the church I pastor seven years ago this Wednesday, August 1st.
Just me, my wife, and our three kids.

[Darcie]

Yes!

My favorite topic!

We started the church I pastor seven years ago this Wednesday, August 1st.
Just me, my wife, and our three kids.


Tell me about your growing pains! That way I'll know if what we are going thru is normal!

[Nahum]

The most important thing to remember is that instant successes are few. Plan on the work growing steadily, over a period of years - not months.

Next, remember that great sacrifice brings great reward, but be careful what you sacrifice. Your kids need to know you value them. Don't lose them while doing a work for God.

Let's see.... don't worry about purchasing a building right away. People will pressure you big time. Don't rent or purchase any building until there is just no other option and the church can truly afford it.

When people ask you "how many you runnin'?", learn to be vague. Say something like "quite a few" or "the Lord has really blessed us with a great group". Don't fall prey to the numbers game because Sister, your numbers are gonna follow that roller coaster path.

Let God be God. Remember it's His church. Whatever you do, do it excellently. Don't start any program without counting the costs.

Use new converts. Use them everywhere.

[Darcie]

The most important thing to remember is that instant successes are few. Plan on the work growing steadily, over a period of years - not months.

Next, remember that great sacrifice brings great reward, but be careful what you sacrifice. Your kids need to know you value them. Don't lose them while doing a work for God.

Let's see.... don't worry about purchasing a building right away. People will pressure you big time. Don't rent our purchase any building until there is just no other option and the church can truly afford it.

When people ask you "how many you runnin'?", learn to be vague. Say something like "quite a few" or "the Lord has really blessed us with a great group". Don't fall prey to the numbers game because Sister, your numbers are gonna follow that roller coaster path.

Let God be God. Remember it's His church. Whatever you do, do it excellently. Don't start any program without counting the costs.

Use new converts. Use them everywhere.

Thank you for that! I'm going to have to save this post somewhere!

We've had a bunch come and go. But we do have a small solid group that we can truly count on. And we do use them, whenever and wherever we can for sure

[BrotherEastman]

The most important thing to remember is that instant successes are few. Plan on the work growing steadily, over a period of years - not months.

Next, remember that great sacrifice brings great reward, but be careful what you sacrifice. Your kids need to know you value them. Don't lose them while doing a work for God.

Let's see.... don't worry about purchasing a building right away. People will pressure you big time. Don't rent our purchase any building until there is just no other option and the church can truly afford it.

When people ask you "how many you runnin'?", learn to be vague. Say something like "quite a few" or "the Lord has really blessed us with a great group". Don't fall prey to the numbers game because Sister, your numbers are gonna follow that roller coaster path.

Let God be God. Remember it's His church. Whatever you do, do it excellently. Don't start any program without counting the costs.

Use new converts. Use them everywhere.
Being the son of home missions, thats excellent advice PP, I couldn't agree with you more.

[Charlie Brown]

The makings of an excellent thread.

[Nahum]

Tell me about your growing pains! That way I'll know if what we are going thru is normal!


We grew very slowly. We added five the first year. Five the next year.
A total of 15 after two years. Not your prototypical HM success story, huh?

We lived in the back of the church for six months because I was stupid and sacrificed my family's well-being to purchase a church building.

The building we bought was an old pool supply store. The walls were blue and green. We totally renovated it. It is completely paid for now, and we are about to build a new church.

In our third year we added a Kid's Church program. This is the engine of our church. Since then we have had over 1300 visitors come through our doors. From that we added a sports program for kids. We sponsored little league programs in our city. We give away free school supplies to hundreds of kids each fall.

We OWN the children's ministry market in our town.

[BrotherEastman]

Thank you for that! I'm going to have to save this post somewhere!

We've had a bunch come and go. But we do have a small solid group that we can truly count on. And we do use them, whenever and wherever we can for sure
I have had alot of experiences with my dad being a home missionary, sis I admire you and your husband. It gets hard, but God has a way of sending you encouragement exactly when you need it.

[Ronzo]

We started a church nearly three months ago. Started with zero.

We have very few people. One couple comes faithfully. Another couple comes sporatically.

It's only been three months though... so we're not 'expecting' a whole lot.

[BrotherEastman]

We grew very slowly. We added five the first year. Five the next year.
A total of 15 after two years. Not your prototypical HM success story, huh?

We lived in the back of the church for six months because I was stupid and sacrificed my family's well-being to purchase a church building.

The building we bought was an old pool supply store. The walls were blue and green. We totally renovated it. It is completely paid for now, and we are about to build a new church.

In our third year we added a Kid's Church program. This is the engine of our church. Since then we have had over 1300 visitors come through our doors. From that we added a sports program for kids. We sponsored little league programs in our city. We give away free school supplies to hundreds of kids each fall.

We OWN the children's ministry market in our town.
I got some stories about the families well being. I'll refrain though 'cause it will come off as complaining. LOL!

[Darcie]

The most important thing to remember is that instant successes are few. Plan on the work growing steadily, over a period of years - not months.

Next, remember that great sacrifice brings great reward, but be careful what you sacrifice. Your kids need to know you value them. Don't lose them while doing a work for God.

Let's see.... don't worry about purchasing a building right away. People will pressure you big time. Don't rent our purchase any building until there is just no other option and the church can truly afford it.

When people ask you "how many you runnin'?", learn to be vague. Say something like "quite a few" or "the Lord has really blessed us with a great group". Don't fall prey to the numbers game because Sister, your numbers are gonna follow that roller coaster path.

Let God be God. Remember it's His church. Whatever you do, do it excellently. Don't start any program without counting the costs.

Use new converts. Use them everywhere.

I got some stories about the families well being. I'll refrain though 'cause it will come off as complaining. LOL!

Well I grew up a PK, so at least I know that side of it!

[Nahum]

We grew by leaps and bounds in our fourth and fifth years. People getting the Holy Ghost all over the place. Baptisms galore. Started a choir.

Oh Darcie, BTW, we have never had our own musicians in seven years. The church has been built without live music. We use computer programs, tracks and occasional guests to fill in the gaps.

[Darcie]

We grew by leaps and bounds in our fourth and fifth years. People getting the Holy Ghost all over the place. Baptisms galore. Started a choir.

Oh Darcie, BTW, we have never had our own musicians in seven years. The church has been built without live music. We use computer programs, tracks and occasional guests to fill in the gaps.


We started off with a BANG! and all of a sudden...

We use the midi off my keyboard and we have two of our ladies singing along with me! Still praying for a drummer.:praying

[Nahum]

We grew to an all time high of 70 in our sixth year. My three kids fell in love with ministry. My daughter is extremely talented and leads our music.

We had two Pentecostal families move in - the first move-ins in our history.

Our kids church was busting at the seams. It became the model for Pentecostals in our area. I, and the church I pastor, was the focus of numerous articles. We were a bona fide success story.

[Darcie]

We grew to an all time high of 70 in our sixth year. My three kids fell in love with ministry. My daughter is extremely talented and leads our music.

We had two Pentecostal families move in - the first move-ins in our history.

Our kids church was busting at the seams. It became the model for Pentecostals in our area. I, and the church I pastor, was the focus of numerous articles. We were a bona fide success story.

Awesome! Can't wait to tell stories like that of our own

[Nahum]

Then the bottom fell out.

Under pressure from peers and leadership, I came down hard on a new "platform standard". It is one of the great regrets of my life. I have begged God to forgive me since.

But the damage was done. When the dust settled, I had lost over half of those precious souls. It haunts me daily.

[Darcie]

Then the bottom fell out.

Under pressure from peers and leadership, I came down hard on a new "platform standard". It is one of the great regrets of my life. I have begged God to forgive me since.

But the damage was done. When the dust settled, I had lost over half of those precious souls. It haunts me daily.

Ugh!:faint

[Nahum]

For the past year we have been in full recovery mode. I now pastor with a new understanding. The church is growing again. Finances are better than ever.

It has been tough. Very tough.

It has also been extremely rewarding. Looking back, there are some things I would definitely do differently, but I am glad I obeyed the call of God.

There is a church in our city. A Oneness Pentecostal church.

The church is planted.

God overlooked my stupidity, had mercy on me, and blessed the work.

[Darcie]

For the past year we have been in full recovery mode. I now pastor with a new understanding. The church is growing again. Finances are better than ever.

It has been tough. Very tough.

It has also been extremely rewarding. Looking back, there are some things I would definitely do differently, but I am glad I obeyed the call of God.

There is a church in our city. A Oneness Pentecostal church.

The church is planted.

God overlooked my stupidity, had mercy on me, and blessed the work.


PP I would love to get my husband in touch with you! He's really in need of a "mentor" (I know that word is floating around alot). But really he does! There's so much more involved. Ask my brother Dan, he knows all about it

[Nahum]

PP I would love to get my husband in touch with you! He's really in need of a "mentor" (I know that word is floating around alot). But really he does! There's so much more involved. Ask my brother Dan, he knows all about it

Daniel has my number. Call anytime.

[Darcie]

Daniel has my number. Call anytime.


He'll be here Wednesday! Maybe we can call when he's here. We're excited about having him, we already told the church he'd be preaching!

[Nahum]

Darcie, don't let your highest heigths or deepest valleys define the work.

Stay steady. Be consistent. No matter how much bad news you have heard during the week, plaster a smile on your face when you are around the saints.

I am not telling you to be a hypocrite, I am telling you to be thankful in all things. Don't punish the faithful for the deeds of the unfaithful. Give them your best every service.

[Darcie]

Darcie, don't let your highest heigths or deepest valleys define the work.

Stay steady. Be consistent. No matter how much bad news you have heard during the week, plaster a smile on your face when you are around the saints.

I am not telling you to be a hypocrite, I am telling you to be thankful in all things. Don't punish the faithful for the deeds of the unfaithful. Give them your best every service.


I hear ya on that one! Yesterday we had the lowest number in months, but still by husband preached his heart out! As if there were hundreds up in there!

[Ferd]

what a cool thread.

[Ferd]

Darcie, is your work connected to the UPCI church in Wilmington that got a new pastor about a year ago?

[Sweet Pea]

Darcie, don't let your highest heigths or deepest valleys define the work.

Stay steady. Be consistent. No matter how much bad news you have heard during the week, plaster a smile on your face when you are around the saints.

I am not telling you to be a hypocrite, I am telling you to be thankful in all things. Don't punish the faithful for the deeds of the unfaithful. Give them your best every service.


That will preach!

Great posts, PP!!!! :thumbsup

[Darcie]

Darcie, is your work connected to the UPCI church in Wilmington that got a new pastor about a year ago?

Yes! We are their Spanish daughter work.

[Ferd]

Yes! We are their Spanish daughter work.

Small world. the guy that left there came here.

[Darcie]

We were brought here by one pastor, he left resigned about 2 months after we got here and then a new pastor was voted in a little after that!

Talk about a little added stress.

[Darcie]

Small world. the guy that left there came here.

REALLY!!!!!! How's that going?

[Nahum]

Be careful who you give your ear to. The temptation to give in to ego will be great. Pay special attention to those men and women of God who have personally planted churches.

I highly recommend Tommy and Judy Hudson's book, "Miracle Through the Fire". Another good one is "A Church Planter's Dream" by David Norris. "Pioneer Pentecostals" from PPH will have you in tears, but is very, very inspiring.

Close your ears to every person who would cast doubt and negativity on the work. Learn to be a survivalist.

[Sam]

What an inspirational thread!!

This sure beats our (I include myself here) usual squabbling and put downs.

[Trouvere]

Just looking for some friendly advice and encouragement.

My husband and I started a Spanish church here in Wilmington, NC a year and a half ago.

It's been a little bit of a roller coaster ride. I was just wondering if anyone had some advice or experiences they may want to share.
Yes and it was a roller coaster ride for sure.Just hang in there and keep doing right.God will bless you.

[Ferd]

REALLY!!!!!! How's that going?

Awesome. he is from here. This is his home church. Great guy.

[Darcie]

Awesome. he is from here. This is his home church. Great guy.

And boy can he PREACH!!!!

[Nahum]

Darcie, I will step away for a while and leave you with this thought. It is from my District Superintendent, whom I consider one of the greatest men of God to ever walk on this planet.

"The true heart of a pastor is shown by how he treats those who can offer him nothing."

[Darcie]

Darcie, I will step away for a while and leave you with this thought. It is from my District Superintendent, whom I consider one of the greatest men of God to ever walk on this planet.

"The true heart of a pastor is shown by how he treats those who can offer him nothing."

PP I'm so glad I got to chat with you today! You have totally lifted my spirit!

I'm actually going to print out this thread and hand it over to my husband

THANK YOU!

[Ferd]

And boy can he PREACH!!!!

One of the best. we went from an elder who was slow and methodical to THAT GUY. LOL! I LOVE IT!

[Nahum]

PP I'm so glad I got to chat with you today! You have totally lifted my spirit!

I'm actually going to print out this thread and hand it over to my husband

THANK YOU!

Be encouraged!

Remember, God equips and empowers those whom He calls.

[Darcie]

One of the best. we went from an elder who was slow and methodical to THAT GUY. LOL! I LOVE IT!


Please tell him we miss him!

[Elizabeth]

Wow great words of wisdoms Pastor P, I can see why Keith and yourself hit it off so well-

PS Darcie Keith and I started a church in our area with 8 people 3 years ago, it isnt easy--but we're still here!

[Ferd]

Please tell him we miss him!

I will do that.

[Darcie]

Wow great words of wisdoms Pastor P, I can see why Keith and yourself hit it off so well-

PS Darcie Keith and I started a church in our area with 8 people 3 years ago, it isnt easy--but we're still here!

it's not! then you start wondering Am I cut out for this? what are we doing here?

[tamor]

Darcie,

Love and Truth started a church in Jackson,TN five years ago and had over 700 two weeks ago. I don't know what the number was yesterday. Sherri can give you tons of advice.

We started a church in Corinth, MS 3-1/2 years ago and their high number has been over 200.

It can be done!!

[SDG]

Thanks gang for your encouragement!!!!

[Darcie]

Thanks gang for your encouragement!!!!


There he is!

[SDG]

I have had alot of experiences with my dad being a home missionary, sis I admire you and your husband. It gets hard, but God has a way of sending you encouragement exactly when you need it.

Share them, Easty ... I think your perspective would be golden in this thread and not viewed as complaining ....

[rgcraig]

Then the bottom fell out.

Under pressure from peers and leadership, I came down hard on a new "platform standard". It is one of the great regrets of my life. I have begged God to forgive me since.

But the damage was done. When the dust settled, I had lost over half of those precious souls. It haunts me daily.

Ugh!:faint

Still excellent advice here........sorry it happened to PP, but you can learn from his mistake.

[rgcraig]

Darcie, I will step away for a while and leave you with this thought. It is from my District Superintendent, whom I consider one of the greatest men of God to ever walk on this planet.

"The true heart of a pastor is shown by how he treats those who can offer him nothing."

Beautiful!

[tamor]

Darcie, I will step away for a while and leave you with this thought. It is from my District Superintendent, whom I consider one of the greatest men of God to ever walk on this planet.

"The true heart of a pastor is shown by how he treats those who can offer him nothing."

I just saw this when Renda commented on it and I echo her sentiment. It is a beautiful quote!

[Elizabeth]

it's not! then you start wondering Am I cut out for this? what are we doing here?

You are! You find out a lot of stuff about yourself in the process. One thing you can not do is compare yourself to anyone else--you will get depressed! :D

I guess in these last few months (especially after a few our main musician left) I realize not to get stressed out over how church goes--

I think we put too much pressure for there to be a great reaction, church production emotional responses or what ever I am expecting to happen.

I just don't let it get to me, I do my part, Keith does his-God shows up and if we have just a few people or a lot of people. People worship or don't worship, I am not getting stressed or worried about it anymore--

I am more concerned about how to reach people in this area and that seems the difficult challenge for us.

[Nahum]

Somebody smack me if I am posting too much advice, okay?

Darcie, The most enjoyable aspect of HM is that you get to be gatherers. A HM pastor must be approachable, idealistic, and a gatherer.

Remember, never scatter the flock, no matter how unlike sheep they may seem. Never pull up what you think is a tare, for it may be your harvest. Value everyone. Every soul counts.

Did you ever notice how many people Jesus gathered? He was always gathering the ones no one else wanted. The religious people hated him for that. Talking to an adulterer at a well, having dinner with a thieving tax collector, hanging around drunks.

Your job is to gather those sorts of people. You are fulfilling his mission to "seek and save that which is lost". So Darcie dear, gather people.

My wife and I have helped every type of miscreant imaginable. We have invited people into our home that had never had an old-fashioned home-cooked meal. We have helped rid families of lice (scared to death the entire time). We have bailed souls out of jail.

I don't regret any of it.

Don't believe the lie that numbers don't matter. They do. They do because you are to be a gatherer. You are a harvester.

[SDG]

Numbers matter as does impact.

[Ferd]

PP if you are posting too much, i must like too much. This is great.

anyone can tell this is a subject that is dear to your heart.

[rgcraig]

PP if you are posting too much, i must like too much. This is great.

anyone can tell this is a subject that is dear to your heart.

Agreed! No smacking here!

[Chewy]

One of the most difficult things to deal with in a new church are regurgitated saints.

By this I mean those people who have bounced from church to church or in your case, from organization to organization leaving quite a gut trail, and they come in nicey nicey, sincere, and willing to do anything, thinking they will have a chance to manipulate the bright eyed and bushy tailed pastor.

Be very wary and never ever ever trade a so called well traveled and troubled saint for increased numbers or heavier offering coffers. ALWAYS check references of folks coming from other churches.

[Felicity]

One of the most difficult things to deal with in a new church are regurgitated saints.

By this I mean those people who have bounced from church to church or in your case, from organization to organization leaving quite a gut trail, and they come in nicey nicey, sincere, and willing to do anything, thinking they will have a chance to manipulate the bright eyed and bushy tailed pastor.

Be very wary and never ever ever trade a so called well traveled and troubled saint for increased numbers or heavier offering coffers. ALWAYS check references of folks coming from other churches.They're not all like the way you describe Chewy and I just feel that I need to speak up and say that.

We started a church a few years ago and the one thing that we said we absolutely didn't want, was exactly what we got. That is, saints from another church.

They had been unhappy for a long time but had stayed in their church, been faithful, paid their tithes and after they left there and started coming to the work we started they never talked bad or disrespectfully about the church or the pastor.

They also didn't come prepared to manipulate. They simply weren't like that at all.

We were totally surprised this happened - totally - and we did or said nothing to encourage them. No way! It was totally their own decision to make the choice they did. I felt sick at heart for the man who had been their pastor because I know what it's like to lose good people who you love and have developed relationship with.

I have to say it sure was wonderful going to church with people who were grounded, loved God and had a great attitude vs. going alone and struggling by ourselves.

[Darcie]

Somebody smack me if I am posting too much advice, okay?

Darcie, The most enjoyable aspect of HM is that you get to be gatherers. A HM pastor must be approachable, idealistic, and a gatherer.

Remember, never scatter the flock, no matter how unlike sheep they may seem. Never pull up what you think is a tare, for it may be your harvest. Value everyone. Every soul counts.

Did you ever notice how many people Jesus gathered? He was always gathering the ones no one else wanted. The religious people hated him for that. Talking to an adulterer at a well, having dinner with a thieving tax collector, hanging around drunks.

Your job is to gather those sorts of people. You are fulfilling his mission to "seek and save that which is lost". So Darcie dear, gather people.

My wife and I have helped every type of miscreant imaginable. We have invited people into our home that had never had an old-fashioned home-cooked meal. We have helped rid families of lice (scared to death the entire time). We have bailed souls out of jail.

I don't regret any of it.

Don't believe the lie that numbers don't matter. They do. They do because you are to be a gatherer. You are a harvester.


Keep it coming! As you can tell we are all loving it!

[Truly Blessed]

We have been involved in planting churches from scratch. I would like to say first of all that Pastor Poster has shared from his own experience some of the advice I would have given. It is apparent he has gained valuable wisdom. I can see him writing a book that would be a great source of encouragement to church planters.

One of the mistakes many HM's make is to focus too much on a building with the concept of the church being the building and then spending much money and energy to get people into the building. It's important to stay focused on "the field is the world" and then become creative in how you can meet the needs represented in the world God has called you into.

Church is a "people" business. So, we concentrated on doing whatever put us in personal contact with people. I have always said that no matter what size the community may be you are called to, you must reach people "one by one" and "one on one."

Love people, not for what they may represent to the growth of your church, but because they need to be loved into the kingdom of God. At the same time, be prepared to be hurt deeply, for some of the people you will show the greatest love to will become your greatest disappointment. We have to love a lot to gain a little it seems.

Home Missionaries are the true heroes in my opinion. We so often put the Foreign Missionary on a pedestal, but most of them live a higher standard of living than they did at home. The Home Missionary meanwhile often has given up much to struggle to plant a church while working a full time job and without all the perks enjoyed by foreign missionaries.

In the end it's the call of God that makes the difference!

[Darcie]

Numbers matter as does impact.


Numbers matter for sooooo many reasons. A large group is encouraging, there is power in numbers. I'm not saying that numbers is everything it just does matter.

[Chewy]

They're not all like the way you describe Chewy and I just feel that I need to speak up and say that.

We started a church a few years ago and the one thing that we said we absolutely didn't want, was exactly what we got. That is, saints from another church.

They had been unhappy for a long time but had stayed in their church, been faithful, paid their tithes and after they left there and started coming to the work we started they never talked bad or disrespectfully about the church or the pastor.

They also didn't come prepared to manipulate. They simply weren't like that at all.

We were totally surprised this happened - totally - and we did or said nothing to encourage them. No way! It was totally their own decision to make the choice they did. I felt sick at heart for the man who had been their pastor because I know what it's like to lose good people who you love and have developed relationship with.

I have to say it sure was wonderful going to church with people who were grounded, loved God and had a great attitude vs. going alone and struggling by ourselves.

Felicity, please don't just skim over what I wrote, read it.

I said there are folks who bounce from church to church to church and are never grounded. Sure they may try to set and grow roots, but chances are they won't. I have seen this circumstance too many times in the ministries of new pastors, many of which include dear friends and family members and in the end it is just one big frustration. The stuff usually hits the fan when the pastor asks them to make a sacrifice in one area or another or if he has to give correction.

Your situation is not at all what I was talking about.

[SDG]

Numbers matter for sooooo many reasons. A large group is encouraging, there is power in numbers. I'm not saying that numbers is everything it just does matter.

I agree.

[Chewy]

Numbers matter for sooooo many reasons. A large group is encouraging, there is power in numbers. I'm not saying that numbers is everything it just does matter.

Just don't put quantity over quality. Quality before quantity usually results in a quantity with quality. :D


...lets hear you say that three times fast.

[Rico]

PP if you are posting too much, i must like too much. This is great.

anyone can tell this is a subject that is dear to your heart.

I agree. His passion is coming through loud and clear, and in a good way! :) This has been a good thread so far.

[Rico]

One of the most difficult things to deal with in a new church are regurgitated saints.

By this I mean those people who have bounced from church to church or in your case, from organization to organization leaving quite a gut trail, and they come in nicey nicey, sincere, and willing to do anything, thinking they will have a chance to manipulate the bright eyed and bushy tailed pastor.

Be very wary and never ever ever trade a so called well traveled and troubled saint for increased numbers or heavier offering coffers. ALWAYS check references of folks coming from other churches.



And saints should make sure to check references on any pastor whose church they are planning on becoming a member of. Let's not forget that important piece of advice. :)

[Felicity]

Felicity, please don't just skim over what I wrote, read it.

I said there are folks who bounce from church to church to church and are never grounded. Sure they may try to set and grow roots, but chances are they won't. I have seen this circumstance too many times in the ministries of new pastors, many of which include dear friends and family members and in the end it is just one big frustration. The stuff usually hits the fan when the pastor asks them to make a sacrifice in one area or another or if he has to give correction.

Your situation is not at all what I was talking about.I read what you wrote and I agree with you (guess I forgot to affirm what you wrote), and we've had these kind of people come along. I just wanted to say that not all people who change churches are bouncers or act the way you've described --- to their credit.

[ILG]

We were in Home Missions for five years. It was filled with challenges for certain. We started with 2 older ladies which was SUCH a blessing. Five years later we left a church of about 13. We did have a building, but it was the right thing to do for us (purchase a building). Not everyone should do that as soon as we did, but it was definately orchestrated by God for us and I have no regrets. The church is doing fairly well now from what I hear.

[Rico]

We have been involved in planting churches from scratch. I would like to say first of all that Pastor Poster has shared from his own experience some of the advice I would have given. It is apparent he has gained valuable wisdom. I can see him writing a book that would be a great source of encouragement to church planters.

One of the mistakes many HM's make is to focus too much on a building with the concept of the church being the building and then spending much money and energy to get people into the building. It's important to stay focused on "the field is the world" and then become creative in how you can meet the needs represented in the world God has called you into.

Church is a "people" business. So, we concentrated on doing whatever put us in personal contact with people. I have always said that no matter what size the community may be that you are called to, you must reach people "one by one" and "one on one."

Love people, not for what they may represent to the growth of your church, but because they need to be loved into the kingdom of God. At the same time, be prepared to be hurt deeply, for some of the people you will show the greatest love to will become your greatest disappointment. We have to love a lot to gain a little it seems.

Home Missionaries are the true heroes in my opinion. We so often put the Foreign Missionary on a pedestal, but most of them live a higher standard of living than they did at home. The Home Missionary meanwhile often has given up much to struggle to plant a church while working a full time job and without all the perks enjoyed by foreign missionaries.

In the end it's the call of God that makes the difference!

This is a good post, TB.

[Darcie]

We have been involved in planting churches from scratch. I would like to say first of all that Pastor Poster has shared from his own experience some of the advice I would have given. It is apparent he has gained valuable wisdom. I can see him writing a book that would be a great source of encouragement to church planters.
One of the mistakes many HM's make is to focus too much on a building with the concept of the church being the building and then spending much money and energy to get people into the building. It's important to stay focused on "the field is the world" and then become creative in how you can meet the needs represented in the world God has called you into.

Church is a "people" business. So, we concentrated on doing whatever put us in personal contact with people. I have always said that no matter what size the community may be that you are called to, you must reach people "one by one" and "one on one."

Love people, not for what they may represent to the growth of your church, but because they need to be loved into the kingdom of God. At the same time, be prepared to be hurt deeply, for some of the people you will show the greatest love to will become your greatest disappointment. We have to love a lot to gain a little it seems.

Home Missionaries are the true heroes in my opinion. We so often put the Foreign Missionary on a pedestal, but most of them live a higher standard of living than they did at home. The Home Missionary meanwhile often has given up much to struggle to plant a church while working a full time job and without all the perks enjoyed by foreign missionaries.

In the end it's the call of God that makes the difference!

PP Something to think about :hmmm

[Chewy]

I read what you wrote and I agree with you (guess I forgot to affirm what you wrote), and we've had these kind of people come along. I just wanted to say that not all people who change churches are bouncers or act the way you've described --- to their credit.

Well, folks will show their true colors when, like I said, you ask them to sacrifice or if there is a need to give correction.

Sorry for being short back there.

[Felicity]

Well, folks will show their true colors when, like I said, you ask them to sacrifice or if there is a need to give correction.

Sorry for being short back there.It's okay. I'm not quite used to it from you, and I'm sorry for having put you on the defensive.

[Nahum]

I had a young man, who was studying to be a Catholic priest, visit our church about three years ago. He was so devoted to God it actually scared me. He came because he was a relative to one of the families in our church. He had heard we had a basketball league for kids aged 9-13 and was interested in helping coach them.

I cautiously allowed him to be involved. He began to come to church every Sunday, while still attending Catholic Mass. He became my shadow. He wanted to be involved in everything in the church.

One Sunday morning during an altar service, with no one praying for him and the service about to end, God filled him with the Holy Ghost. He brought his mom, his grandma, and many, many friends to church with him.

He left the priesthood and the Catholic church. He began to witness up and down our city streets. Last year he entered full time youth ministry. He travels all around the US.

I said that to say this. I never would have seen this potential in him. He was so indoctrinated in Catholicism. But God saw his potential. Because we reached out to kids, God brought us someone to help.

And now our ministry has expanded beyond our wildest dreams.

Every soul counts.

Every one.

Be a gatherer.

[ILG]

I had a young man, who was studying to be a Catholic priest, visit our church about three years ago. He was so devoted to God it actually scared me. He came because he was a relative to one of the families in our church. He had heard we had a basketball league for kids aged 9-13 and was interested in helping coach them.

I cautiously allowed him to be involved. He began to come to church every Sunday, while still attending Catholic Mass. He became my shadow. He wanted to be involved in everything in the church.

One Sunday morning during an altar service, with no one praying for him and the service about to end, God filled him with the Holy Ghost. He brought his mom, his grandma, and many, many friends to church with him.

He left the priesthood and the Catholic church. He began to witness up and down our city streets. Last year he entered full time youth ministry. He travels all around the US.

I said that to say this. I never would have seen this potential in him. He was so indoctrinated in Catholicism. But God saw his potential. Because we reached out to kids, God brought us someone to help.

And now our ministry has expanded beyond our wildest dreams.

Every soul counts.

Every one.

Be a gatherer.

Way cool, PP. :)

[Rico]

I read what you wrote and I agree with you (guess I forgot to affirm what you wrote), and we've had these kind of people come along. I just wanted to say that not all people who change churches are bouncers or act the way you've described --- to their credit.

I hear what both of you are saying and think you are both right.

I know, from my own experience, that, after I left this uc church, I was anything but ready to make the kind of committment it takes to be faithful to any church. The church I ended up in put me up front, playing the guitar and also in prison ministry, before I had healed from the hurt I was experiencing. The leadership there did the right thing, but it wasn't at the right time. So, I left there after a couple of years.

Then I found myself in prison ministry and up front playing the guitar again at the next church. I was in a better place, but still not ready to take on the responsibility that ministry requires. So, I left again, this time to end up at a HM church.

By this time I had realized I wouldn't go into ministry or play the guitar again until I was satisfied that I was ready for it. Things didn't go as planned there, so here I am again, without a church home.

Honestly, I'm just now getting to the point that I am willing to fully get behind the ministry of any church, let alone think about going back to playing the guitar up front or going into prisons. I'm thankful that I am finally willing to make a committment to a church, but know I still have a way to go before I will be ready for ministry of any kind.

The point is sometimes the people who "church hop" do so for reasons others don't understand or can't see. All they see is someone leaving this church for that church and immediately decide it's because that person just wants to manipulate, when nothing could be further from the truth.

[Chewy]

I hear what both of you are saying and think you are both right.

I know, from my own experience, that, after I left this uc church, I was anything but ready to make the kind of committment it takes to be faithful to any church. The church I ended up in put me up front, playing the guitar and also in prison ministry, before I had healed from the hurt I was experiencing. The leadership there did the right thing, but it wasn't at the right time. So, I left there after a couple of years.

Then I found myself in prison ministry and up front playing the guitar again at the next church. I was in a better place, but still not ready to take on the responsibility that ministry requires. So, I left again, this time to end up at a HM church.

By this time I had realized I wouldn't go into ministry or play the guitar again until I was satisfied that I was ready for it. Things didn't go as planned there, so here I am again, without a church home.

Honestly, I'm just now getting to the point that I am willing to fully get behind the ministry of any church, let alone think about going back to playing the guitar up front or going into prisons. I'm thankful that I am finally willing to make a committment to a church, but know I still have a way to go before I will be ready for ministry of any kind.

The point is sometimes the people who "church hop" do so for reasons others don't understand or can't see. All they see is someone leaving this church for that church and immediately decide it's because that person just wants to manipulate, when nothing could be further from the truth.

Yea, your achilies heel was when they told you that you had to shave your beard. :lol

[Rico]

Yea, your achilies heel was when they told you that you had to shave your beard. :lol

:D Actually, no it wasn't. The beard thing wasn't a problem at either of the churches where I served in ministry. Surprise, surprise!! I don't have a problem with going along with platform standards, even though I may not agree with the standard. So, if I were ever to get back into ministry, and my pastor wanted me to shave my beard and mustache, I'd do it and not give it a second thought.

[Defender]

Darcie, your reaching out has really touched me. God will reward your desire for revival. And I believe God connected you to Pastor Poster. His wisdom in this thread is worth gold. Don't give up.

[Chewy]

Darcie, your reaching out has really touched me. God will reward your desire for revival. And I believe God connected you to Pastor Poster. His wisdom in this thread is worth gold. Don't give up.

Mine and Felicity's wisdom is Silver, don't forget that!

[Defender]

Mine and Felicity's wisdom is Silver, don't forget that!

Agreed. :slaphappy

[JTULLOCK]

I had a young man, who was studying to be a Catholic priest, visit our church about three years ago. He was so devoted to God it actually scared me. He came because he was a relative to one of the families in our church. He had heard we had a basketball league for kids aged 9-13 and was interested in helping coach them.

I cautiously allowed him to be involved. He began to come to church every Sunday, while still attending Catholic Mass. He became my shadow. He wanted to be involved in everything in the church.

One Sunday morning during an altar service, with no one praying for him and the service about to end, God filled him with the Holy Ghost. He brought his mom, his grandma, and many, many friends to church with him.

He left the priesthood and the Catholic church. He began to witness up and down our city streets. Last year he entered full time youth ministry. He travels all around the US.

I said that to say this. I never would have seen this potential in him. He was so indoctrinated in Catholicism. But God saw his potential. Because we reached out to kids, God brought us someone to help.

And now our ministry has expanded beyond our wildest dreams.

Every soul counts.

Every one.

Be a gatherer.

This is what the whole thing is about PP. As I have read your post I feel what you are saying. I know people that have been hurt by the "platform standads" thing and other things. People come and go, but when you can get 1 guy like this one it makes up for all the ones you lose. Not in number, but in passion.

I have heard it said that "I would rather have 20 passionate church members than 200 withour passion. Becasue the 20 with passion will turn the church into 200 passionate ones."

I guess this is true. The numbers may not be the same, but passion goes along way. Great posts, PP.

[SDG]

PP will write that book ... Give him time.

[Felicity]

I hear what both of you are saying and think you are both right.

I know, from my own experience, that, after I left this uc church, I was anything but ready to make the kind of committment it takes to be faithful to any church. The church I ended up in put me up front, playing the guitar and also in prison ministry, before I had healed from the hurt I was experiencing. The leadership there did the right thing, but it wasn't at the right time. So, I left there after a couple of years.

Then I found myself in prison ministry and up front playing the guitar again at the next church. I was in a better place, but still not ready to take on the responsibility that ministry requires. So, I left again, this time to end up at a HM church.

By this time I had realized I wouldn't go into ministry or play the guitar again until I was satisfied that I was ready for it. Things didn't go as planned there, so here I am again, without a church home.

Honestly, I'm just now getting to the point that I am willing to fully get behind the ministry of any church, let alone think about going back to playing the guitar up front or going into prisons. I'm thankful that I am finally willing to make a committment to a church, but know I still have a way to go before I will be ready for ministry of any kind.

The point is sometimes the people who "church hop" do so for reasons others don't understand or can't see. All they see is someone leaving this church for that church and immediately decide it's because that person just wants to manipulate, when nothing could be further from the truth.Well I think that many pastors today are finding it pretty much the normal thing to having people move around a LOT. People are wandering from one place to the next looking for ....... I'm not sure what really. We're certainly finding this to be true.

[Sherri]

Darcie,
We started our church here in Jackson with just us and one other family not quite six years ago. It has grown unbelievably, due to God's grace. He has blessed us so much and sent us hundreds of great people.

The one thing I would say is not to get frustrated in the early years because you cannot offer everything that you're used to. We left a church we had pastored for over 20 years and we had every department imaginable there. It was hard to then start a church and have young families coming, knowing that you had nothing to offer their kids or teens at first. But if you can get them to catch the bigger vision of where you're going, they will hang on until you can have everything you need. The very first thing we did was to have a nursery available, because that was our biggest need besides a sanctuary space. We have always hired nursery workers, even when we first started, rather than use mothers in the church. It just comes across as more professional to visitors. We also invested in a good nursery paging system right from the start.

We always strive for excellence. We have tried to make every building look first class, even when we were very small.

We are now pastoring the six year old church, plus we have just started another work in Savannah, TN, less than a year ago. We hope to start more in the next couple of years until we have all of W. Tennessee covered with Love & Truth Churches. Right now we have five.

[Nahum]

PP will write that book ... Give him time.

I just finished my Bible Study "If the Kings Could Speak". It was exhausting.

Two of the six chapters are edited.

Books with a church planting theme are normally written by men and women with a much greater level of success than I have experienced.

In time I may compile something.

All of you have been very kind in your comments to me.

I merely felt a very strong burden for Darcie when I read her first post. I couldn't help but respond.

[Darcie]

I just finished my Bible Study "If the Kings Could Speak". It was exhausting.

Two of the six chapters are edited.

Books with a church planting theme are normally written by men and women with a much greater level of success than I have experienced.

In time I may compile something.

All of you have been very kind in your comments to me.

I merely felt a very strong burden for Darcie when I read her first post. I couldn't help but respond.

Thank you PP, please keep is in your prayers.

[Nahum]

Thank you PP, please keep is in your prayers.

Absolutely.

[Darcie]

Darcie, your reaching out has really touched me. God will reward your desire for revival. And I believe God connected you to Pastor Poster. His wisdom in this thread is worth gold. Don't give up.


I couldn't agree more!

[Darcie]

You all have been so encouraging! I thank God for the new friends he has given me here at AFF. I'm signing off for the night. Thanx again!

[revrandy]

Just a note maybe it's been mentioned...

The People who will be Loyal to you will be the ones you win to the Lord...

People that come from another church may bless you for a while..but they may move on to another... just count it as a time that God brought a Blessing (Hopefully) your way just for the time He needed them to...

Concentrate on winning the Lost there you'll find treasure...

[Nahum]

Just a note maybe it's been mentioned...

The People who will be Loyal to you will be the ones you win to the Lord...

People that come from another church may bless you for a while..but they may move on to another... just count it as a time that God brought a Blessing (Hopefully) your way just for the time He needed them to...

Concentrate on winning the Lost there you'll find treasure...

But the greatest hurts you will face as a pastor is when the babies walk away.

[revrandy]

But the greatest hurts you will face as a pastor is when the babies walk away.

It happens... That's the price Shepherd have to pay at times.. they just take a piece of your heart away with them...

But there will be NEW Babies born too..

[Truly Blessed]

Darcie, I have added you folks to my prayer list. I know God is going to give you success. As you sow the precious seed of the gospel, and lovingly water it, you can be sure God will give you a bountiful harvest. Deliver the Word with authority, assurance and accuracy and see God work wonders as the Spirit is released in a fresh anointing upon your ministry.

[SDG]

Just a note maybe it's been mentioned...

The People who will be Loyal to you will be the ones you win to the Lord...

People that come from another church may bless you for a while..but they may move on to another... just count it as a time that God brought a Blessing (Hopefully) your way just for the time He needed them to...

Concentrate on winning the Lost there you'll find treasure...

I think we learned that one in Dad's church RevR ... although when the pastor passes all bets are off.

[Sam]

Just don't put quantity over quality. Quality before quantity usually results in a quantity with quality. :D


...lets hear you say that three times fast.

Acts 16:5 in The Living Bible says, "So the church grew daily in faith and in numbers." I think the growth in faith is quality and the growth in numbers is quantity. Both are needed. Maybe the quality is first in that verse because it is more important than the quantity.

When I pray for pastors and their churches, I pray Acts 16:5 for them. I pray for growth in both quality and quantity.

[J-Roc]

Be careful who you give your ear to. The temptation to give in to ego will be great. Pay special attention to those men and women of God who have personally planted churches.

I highly recommend Tommy and Judy Hudson's book, "Miracle Through the Fire". Another good one is "A Church Planter's Dream" by David Norris. "Pioneer Pentecostals" from PPH will have you in tears, but is very, very inspiring.

Close your ears to every person who would cast doubt and negativity on the work. Learn to be a survivalist.



I appreciate your series of advice....good stuff, bro.....carry on....

[Rhoni]

Just looking for some friendly advice and encouragement.

My husband and I started a Spanish church here in Wilmington, NC a year and a half ago.

It's been a little bit of a roller coaster ride. I was just wondering if anyone had some advice or experiences they may want to share.

Dear Darcie,

We began a church from scratch and the best advice I can give is to get involved in the community. My ex worked in Piggly Wiggly bagging groceries and came in contact with a family of backsliders who really wanted to come back to the Lord. Remaining consistent with them, getting involved in their lives; i.e., weddings, divorces, sicknesses, and being there to answer questions, ect.

Joining civic groups, taking your turn as chaplain at the hospital, and advertizing. First thing we did was put up a sign in a rental building and it was a small enough town that everyone wanted to stop and find out who we were and why we were...then they gave us the history of the present building, ect.

So my advice is, love the town you are in. Get involved in the community. Volunteer at the jails and hospitals...get a job locally.

Blessings, Sis. Rhoni

[Rhoni]

As for encouragement: It takes special people to dig a church from nothing. Get family and friends who love God and love you...let them be your social and encouragement/support. Be humble enough to accept gifts of groceries, food, and money. Refrain from getting help from Home Missions funds as there are strings attached that limit your ability to get ahead. If you take anything at all, let it be free helps from surrounding churches and not monetary funds from the organization.

I used to get ticked: our relatives went to a big, kind of uppity church. They would never 'shout'/dance in a service there. Get them in our little home missions church and sing an old song with a good basic salvational sermon and they would shout the house down. LOL

Invite groups to come and help out from colleges...tell the you can't pay but you can use them and feed them...they'll come.

Blessings & Prayers, Sis. Rhoni

[Sister Alvear]

very good advice is given on these threads. Just wanted to add our family is praying for you all.

[Felicity]

We've started from zero and also started with a handful .... yes! 5 (that's a handful ;) I counted them :D) ..... of tithe payers so We know what it's all about.

**Big thumbs up** to Pastor Poster who contributed greatly to this thread.

[Old Paths]

PP, very good advice.

I will be praying for Darcie and family.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I've never started a church before but the thought had crossed my mind.
Sister DARCIE I pray that God blesses yall really good.

[chseeads]

I didn't start one, and didn't have zero, but never have figured out how to successfully get a small number to do any growing yet. :( Often becomes discouraging.

[Rhoni]

I think it take s people with a Passion who know how to motivate others. If you have the passion without the skills to motivate, organize, and delegate...well there you are...you have a vision but no wings.

Blessings, Rhoni

[Nahum]

This thread has been on my mind over the past few days.

Darcie, I remember what it felt like to receive encouragement at just the right junction in our church's development. I also remember what it felt like to need encouragement, and never receive it.

It was in those times that the presence of the Lord was near to us.

Sister, surround yourself with people who understand and appreciate your labor. Allow people to "buy in" to the ministry God has called you into.

I remember feeling akward when checks started coming in from people we didn't even know. People whom God had prompted to give into the founding of the church. People from inside and outside of Pentecostalism. I was almost apologetic when God used others to bless me and my ministry. Checks came at our times of greatest need. Folks from our community would send letters of appreciation, and offers of help, from time to time. We learned to savor that sort of communication.

We communicated our vision to everyone within earshot.

One Sunday, when the power was out on our side of town, the Methodist pastor called me and offered his facility free of charge. At other times the AOG pastor gave in a huge way to programs within our church. A UPC church designated a huge offering to pay off our building.

While I am very appreciative, I no longer am apologetic. I soon realized their giving was not to me, it was to the work of the Lord.

[tamor]

This thread has been on my mind over the past few days.

Darcie, I remember what it felt like to receive encouragement at just the right junction in our church's development. I also remember what it felt like to need encouragement, and never receive it.

It was in those times that the presence of the Lord was near to us.

Sister, surround yourself with people who understand and appreciate your labor. Allow people to "buy in" to the ministry God has called you into.

I remember feeling akward when checks started coming in from people we didn't even know. People whom God had prompted to give into the founding of the church. People from inside and outside of Pentecostalism. I was almost apologetic when God used others to bless me and my ministry. Checks came at our times of greatest need. Folks from our community would send letters of appreciation, and offers of help, from time to time. We learned to savor that sort of communication.

We communicated our vision to everyone within earshot.

One Sunday, when the power was out on our side of town, the Methodist pastor called me and offered his facility free of charge. At other times the AOG pastor gave in a huge way to programs within our church. A UPC church designated a huge offering to pay off our building.

While I am very appreciative, I no longer am apologetic. I soon realized their giving was not to me, it was to the work of the Lord.

Amen PP! The last sentence wins the prize!

[J-Roc]

This thread has been on my mind over the past few days.

Darcie, I remember what it felt like to receive encouragement at just the right junction in our church's development. I also remember what it felt like to need encouragement, and never receive it.

It was in those times that the presence of the Lord was near to us.

Sister, surround yourself with people who understand and appreciate your labor. Allow people to "buy in" to the ministry God has called you into.

I remember feeling akward when checks started coming in from people we didn't even know. People whom God had prompted to give into the founding of the church. People from inside and outside of Pentecostalism. I was almost apologetic when God used others to bless me and my ministry. Checks came at our times of greatest need. Folks from our community would send letters of appreciation, and offers of help, from time to time. We learned to savor that sort of communication.

We communicated our vision to everyone within earshot.

One Sunday, when the power was out on our side of town, the Methodist pastor called me and offered his facility free of charge. At other times the AOG pastor gave in a huge way to programs within our church. A UPC church designated a huge offering to pay off our building.

While I am very appreciative, I no longer am apologetic. I soon realized their giving was not to me, it was to the work of the Lord.



Yes, I believe the humility to receive is a key lesson to learn, besides, we don't want to rob the gift of giving from someone who has been moved in their heart to give!

[Darcie]

This thread has been on my mind over the past few days.

Darcie, I remember what it felt like to receive encouragement at just the right junction in our church's development. I also remember what it felt like to need encouragement, and never receive it.

It was in those times that the presence of the Lord was near to us.

Sister, surround yourself with people who understand and appreciate your labor. Allow people to "buy in" to the ministry God has called you into.

I remember feeling akward when checks started coming in from people we didn't even know. People whom God had prompted to give into the founding of the church. People from inside and outside of Pentecostalism. I was almost apologetic when God used others to bless me and my ministry. Checks came at our times of greatest need. Folks from our community would send letters of appreciation, and offers of help, from time to time. We learned to savor that sort of communication.

We communicated our vision to everyone within earshot.

One Sunday, when the power was out on our side of town, the Methodist pastor called me and offered his facility free of charge. At other times the AOG pastor gave in a huge way to programs within our church. A UPC church designated a huge offering to pay off our building.

While I am very appreciative, I no longer am apologetic. I soon realized their giving was not to me, it was to the work of the Lord.


PP I'm glad we are still on your mind, that means we are still in your prayers.

[Jann]

Darcie,

I have been thinking and praying for you and your husband all day.
We have established 2 HM churches sometimes it seems that we are back in HM even tho the church we now pastor was established many years ago.
At times it has been a roller coaster ride spiritually, mentally, physically, and financially but God has been faithful.

Our daughter is our youth minister and is doing an awesome job with the youth and an inspiriation to many others.
Last night a lady who attends our Sunday School but does not have the Holy Ghost called and asked for help to get some children to Sunday School.
She had 14 children needing a ride to SS!
After church today this lady with tears in her eyes told me that our daughters zeal, enthuasium and burden for the children had inspired her to get involved.

Start a youth ministry or kids ministry in your church. It has been our greatest outreach tool.
The 1st and 3rd Thursday night of each month we have a BLOWOUT youth service....not for the faint of heart!
Its not my style of music and etc. but its not about what I like but what attracts the kids to our church.
Invest some prayer,time, and money into their lives and ALWAYS give them a hug! It may be the only hug they get this week.

[ChTatum]

We didn't start from zero, but purt near it.

The Wednesday night before I took the church as pastor, there were three people there. I was the third.

Our first month, we averaged 27 on Sunday mornings. The "7" were a constant, it was the "20" we were uncertain about.

Now, eight years later, we have seen crowds of 170, and monthly averages of 90. At present we are back down to averaging between 50-60.

I believe God is faithful, even when people aren't!

[Baby S.E.A.L.S. Club]

Yes....that was very good advice...use new converts. Use Everyone.
That was one of Bro. T. Craft's Rules for Church Growth: Find Something For Everyone To Do.
Everyone is called to do SOME work. We are preordained to Good Works.
There is something within all man that cries out for that which he was created for. We call it "using". It is simpler and easier to communicate. But for the babes who think they were being intended to be "used up", as the world sees it, they must be brought to see that we seek not to take advantage of our new converts, but we are here to serve them, to guide them to their calling, their niche, their passion, and due commitment and service to Almighty God.
In their connection to the local assembly, thru service to the body and building, they have a tangible relationship which, ministered in love, will help open faith thru new eyes (being in contact with the body of Christ). These new babes will learn from our example.
Will sending a new convert to clean pews and vacume carpets alone do any divine good? Probably not, lol. But if this new born babe is with a loving saint, singing, praising god in the sanctuary while at work in His service, showing a Christian attitude, then thru this we can train up a child in the way he should go.
Nothing here is extreme, or any new doctrine...lol.....but starting a new work.....and the basic premise of this post is this: You can find outreach/inreach in the most mundane tasks. Let your life speak for itself. The simplest things of God can confound the world. In the building of all things, we start with the foundation, the chief cornerstone. In Jesus Name.

[Baby S.E.A.L.S. Club]

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Start a youth ministry or kids ministry in your church. It has been our greatest outreach tool.
The 1st and 3rd Thursday night of each month we have a BLOWOUT youth service....not for the faint of heart!
Its not my style of music and etc. but its not about what I like but what attracts the kids to our church.
Invest some prayer,time, and money into their lives and ALWAYS give them a hug! It may be the only hug they get this week.
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AMEN!!!! Youth are not the Church of Tomorrow.
They are the Church of Today!!

[Edward Anglin]

Thinking about this thread, and all of the home missionaries who need our prayer right now.

[mizpeh]

Thinking about this thread, and all of the home missionaries who need our prayer right now.

We're having a home missions conference at our church soon. Have you heard of Jerry Dillion (I think that is his name from Mississippi)?

When you pray for home missionaries what do you think are the important things to ask God for? open doors of utterance?

[deltaguitar]

We're having a home missions conference at our church soon. Have you heard of Jerry Dillion (I think that is his name from Mississippi)?

When you pray for home missionaries what do you think are the important things to ask God for? open doors of utterance?

Bro. Dillion is a great guy and has a true love for souls. Back when I was in the UPC our youth choir sang at his church for a youth event. My wife brought around 12 deaf people to his church around ten years ago and most of them received the Holly Ghost.

[mizpeh]

Bro. Dillion is a great guy and has a true love for souls. Back when I was in the UPC our youth choir sang at his church for a youth event. My wife brought around 12 deaf people to his church around ten years ago and most of them received the Holly Ghost.


Great!!! I'm looking forward to hearing him preach. Where is his church?


How did these deaf people hear the gospel? Just curious...:christmoose

And how did they know they received the Holy Ghost? Hmmmm....????

[deltaguitar]

Great!!! I'm looking forward to hearing him preach. Where is his church?


How did these deaf people hear the gospel? Just curious...:christmoose

And how did they know they received the Holy Ghost? Hmmmm....????

His church is in Madison Mississippi. Just a few miles north of Jackson, MS. He is a real energetic preacher. I think both he and his son both are in the Borat video clips.

As far as the deaf people receiving the Holy Ghost I have witnessed many deaf people speaking in tongues including my wife.

[rgcraig]

Great!!! I'm looking forward to hearing him preach. Where is his church?


How did these deaf people hear the gospel? Just curious...:christmoose

And how did they know they received the Holy Ghost? Hmmmm....????

Isn't that just what is acceptable to say? You don't say they saw the gospel (with sign language).

I've heard blind people say it's so nice to see you - that always hit me as strange, but in their way they do "see" us. I think we'd freak out if they'd say so nice to touch you. :heeheehee

[Digging4Truth]

Just looking for some friendly advice and encouragement.

My husband and I started a Spanish church here in Wilmington, NC a year and a half ago.

It's been a little bit of a roller coaster ride. I was just wondering if anyone had some advice or experiences they may want to share.

I have never started a church on my own but I have worked for years with a pastor who was a church starter. I ministered with him and helped to start churches over several states.

The thing I learned is to let growth be the plus.

Focus on where you are now. Focusing on where you want to be only makes us miss the happiness in what you have now.

Love what you are doing... Love the people you are doing it with... Enjoy being a smaller group. There are great advantages to the closer knit groups that will go away soon enough.

I say that for 2 reasons.

1. You and your husband will be happier and experience less discouragement that way.

2. When you free yourself to simply enjoy ministering to peoples lives... it shows... and that alone can bring greater growth. A group of people who feel pressure to grow, grow, grow... often don't. But ministry to people where they are has it's own built in growth potential.

Often people never move beyond where they are because the the pressure and disappointment that is caused by their desire for the future.

At the same time people who live, love and minister where they are now often feel less pressure & disappointment and find themselves in the middle of growth.

People don't care what you know until they know that you care. Often, even though our hearts are filled with love and caring for those in the field around us, our failure to enjoy these humble and beautiful beginnings shields that from other people.

Be happy with 2.... Be happy with 7... Be happy with 28... Be happy with 2672... Just... Be happy where you are and let the ministry inside you shine through without disappointment or pressure to be anything else.

Phl 4:11 Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, [therewith] to be content.