Pastor Terry Crist

[Jack Shephard]

Has anyone heard of this man or his family? Pastor or Dr. Terry is a pastor out here in Phoenix area and he is a 5th generation pastor. His wife went to JCM and he talks like he is penetcostalish. He has preached on Acts 2:38. He is similar in preaching style to Kevin Gerald or Ed Young Jr.

He is awesome. He accually was asked to take over a charasmatic church out here as well. So they will combine the two churches as the next year goes. The church is Word of Grace with 4000-5000 members. I am not sure if he was UPC or not, but he is a Jesus name guy. You can look at his site www.citichurch.com. I know that Kevin and Sheila Gerald did something like this when they took over a larger church and transitioned to one large church.

What do you all think about this kinda stuff? I agree with it and believe it gives a great opportunity. What say ye?

[CC1]

Interesting. They have been married 23 years so she probably went to JCM a few years after I did. I don't recognize her maybe somebody else wil.

Their belief section of the website talks about a "triune" God but does not use the word "trinity".

They also speak of water baptism being a sacrament.

All of that is very similar to many exUPC PCI type churches belief statements so it is possible his beliefs are similar.

I did not see any mention of how he baptizes. I found it curious that the "about the pastors" section did not identify the denomination or denominations of the previous four generations of pastors in his family.

So he could be AOG, COG, Charismatic, or GIB!!

[Jack Shephard]

Interesting. They have been married 23 years so she probably went to JCM a few years after I did. I don't recognize her maybe somebody else wil.

Their belief section of the website talks about a "triune" God but does not use the word "trinity".

They also speak of water baptism being a sacrament.

All of that is very similar to many exUPC PCI type churches belief statements so it is possible his beliefs are similar.

I did not see any mention of how he baptizes. I found it curious that the "about the pastors" section did not identify the denomination or denominations of the previous four generations of pastors in his family.

So he could be AOG, COG, Charismatic, or GIB!!

You are right. I know that Kurt Warner the AZ Cardinals back up QB goes there. I know at one time Kurt and his wife went to Roy Gerald church is St Louis which is pastored now by Shawn Craig from Phillips, Craig and Dean. That church was UPC. In one of his sermons he mentions Kevin and Sheila. So I know they are friends and of course Sheila Gerald is Steve Munsey's sister and Steve wife, pictured in my avatar is Kevin's sister.

[stmatthew]

You are right. I know that Kurt Warner the AZ Cardinals back up QB goes there. I know at one time Kurt and his wife went to Roy Gerald church is St Louis which is pastored now by Shawn Craig from Phillips, Craig and Dean. That church was UPC. In one of his sermons he mentions Kevin and Sheila. So I know they are friends and of course Sheila Gerald is Steve Munsey's sister and Steve wife, pictured in my avatar is Kevin's sister.

Kurt Warner also was close to Joyce Myers during the time I lived in St Louis, and attended many of her functions.

[Steve Epley]

These folks are NOT Oneness read their statement of beliefs.

[Sandra]

Has anyone heard of this man or his family? Pastor or Dr. Terry is a pastor out here in Phoenix area and he is a 5th generation pastor. His wife went to JCM and he talks like he is penetcostalish. He has preached on Acts 2:38. He is similar in preaching style to Kevin Gerald or Ed Young Jr.

He is awesome. He accually was asked to take over a charasmatic church out here as well. So they will combine the two churches as the next year goes. The church is Word of Grace with 4000-5000 members. I am not sure if he was UPC or not, but he is a Jesus name guy. You can look at his site www.citichurch.com. I know that Kevin and Sheila Gerald did something like this when they took over a larger church and transitioned to one large church.

What do you all think about this kinda stuff? I agree with it and believe it gives a great opportunity. What say ye?
Tyhuff and myself grew up with him. His parents were very close to my parents.

[Jack Shephard]

These folks are NOT Oneness read their statement of beliefs.

EE, what part of that says they are not oneness? I have heard him reach about the HG and state that they baptize in Jesus name.

I have not been there personally, but I know some one that goes there. She loves it. I can not speak for him, but the church that he is taking over seems to be a trinitarian church at least that is what I have been taught by my former pastor. Though after careful review it seems as if they are Jesus name baptizers.

[Jack Shephard]

Tyhuff and myself grew up with him. His parents were very close to my parents.

I have recently got to know about him. He seems very nice and is a good Bible teacher. Is he from the Illinois area? Would you say that he classifies as oneness? I would.

[Sherri]

Anyone know Judith's maiden name?

[Sandra]

I have recently got to know about him. He seems very nice and is a good Bible teacher. Is he from the Illinois area? Would you say that he classifies as oneness? I would.

His family was from Illinois. They all moved to South Dakota with my parents in 1969. His Parents now live around Alex. La. They did help on the campground with the cooking. Great people! I've been out to Terry's Church when he first started there. He is like a brother to us.

[Steve Epley]

EE, what part of that says they are not oneness? I have heard him reach about the HG and state that they baptize in Jesus name.

I have not been there personally, but I know some one that goes there. She loves it. I can not speak for him, but the church that he is taking over seems to be a trinitarian church at least that is what I have been taught by my former pastor. Though after careful review it seems as if they are Jesus name baptizers.

"Careful review?" Nothing is in their statement about Jesus Name baptism. Christ Church has the same veiw of baptism but it clearly states they baptize in Jesus Name. The "Tri-une God?" a Oneness church???????????
NOT one word of their statement has anything that sounds Oneness. Even their statement about the HGB says nothing about tongues?

Can we find secret disciples AFTER Pentecost?

[philjones]

"Careful review?" Nothing is in their statement about Jesus Name baptism. Christ Church has the same veiw of baptism but it clearly states they baptize in Jesus Name. The "Tri-une God?" a Oneness church???????????
NOT one word of their statement has anything that sounds Oneness. Even their statement about the HGB says nothing about tongues?

Can we find secret disciples AFTER Pentecost?

You will also note in their SOB story that it was the "everlasting son" who put on flesh to come to earth to reveal the father. That is no where near oneness theology.

[Steve Epley]

You will also note in their SOB story that it was the "everlasting son" who put on flesh to come to earth to reveal the father. That is no where near oneness theology.

Yes I did see that.

[BHILL]

Anyone know Judith's maiden name?

Judith used to be Judy Williams,from Tulsa,Ok.Her dad, John D Williams was my pastor.Her grandparents were C.P. and Mary Williams who had the old Apostolic bible school in Tulsa.
Her parents sent her off to JCM to get her away from a guy she was dating.There she met Terry Crist and married him but did'nt tell her parents and continued to live in the girls dorm until I spilled the beans and told everyone.I don't think I've talked to her or Terry since lol.

[CC1]

Judith used to be Judy Williams,from Tulsa,Ok.Her dad, John D Williams was my pastor.Her grandparents were C.P. and Mary Williams who had the old Apostolic bible school in Tulsa.
Her parents sent her off to JCM to get her away from a guy she was dating.There she met Terry Crist and married him but did'nt tell her parents and continued to live in the girls dorm until I spilled the beans and told everyone.I don't think I've talked to her or Terry since lol.

He must have been a VERY understandting husband to be a young man and allow his wife to live in the girls dorm!!! No way that would have happened with me.

That is interesting about her name. I have a cousin who I grew up knowing as "Judy" who also switched to "Judith" later.

[Steve Epley]

Judith used to be Judy Williams,from Tulsa,Ok.Her dad, John D Williams was my pastor.Her grandparents were C.P. and Mary Williams who had the old Apostolic bible school in Tulsa.
Her parents sent her off to JCM to get her away from a guy she was dating.There she met Terry Crist and married him but did'nt tell her parents and continued to live in the girls dorm until I spilled the beans and told everyone.I don't think I've talked to her or Terry since lol.

The this explains everything. JD. Williams died pastoring a Charismatic church(and there is long sad story here and you don't want to hear it) her mother is Mark Hanby's sister. C.P. & Mary Williams were legends and she certainly is not following their footsteps however her sister did. She died and was married to an Apostolic preacher.

[Sandra]

Judith used to be Judy Williams,from Tulsa,Ok.Her dad, John D Williams was my pastor.Her grandparents were C.P. and Mary Williams who had the old Apostolic bible school in Tulsa.
Her parents sent her off to JCM to get her away from a guy she was dating.There she met Terry Crist and married him but did'nt tell her parents and continued to live in the girls dorm until I spilled the beans and told everyone.I don't think I've talked to her or Terry since lol.

lol..I remember they got married while at JCM. They are doing great things, God put them together. Judith is very talented also.

[Steve Epley]

lol..I remember they got married while at JCM. They are doing great things, God put them together. Judith is very talented also.

Her father and mother were both very talented.

[BHILL]

Her father and mother were both very talented.

They were very talented,John Williams was a very gifted guitar player and encouraged me to play music when I was a kid,he took quite a interest in us,took us to concerts, etc.Too bad he did'nt live up to what he preached.
Our church split because of his indiscretions and our assistant pastor, Gary Howard took the split and has done well.
Judy and Terry were into some weird stuff when they pastored in Tulsa.They would have everyone throw up into bags to get rid of bad spirits,attitudes or something bad.I believe they quit that stuff.I hope they are doing well but don't agree with their beliefs.

[Steve Epley]

They were very talented,John Williams was a very gifted guitar player and encouraged me to play music when I was a kid,he took quite a interest in us,took us to concerts, etc.Too bad he did'nt live up to what he preached.
Our church split because of his indiscretions and our assistant pastor, Gary Howard took the split and has done well.
Judy and Terry were into some weird stuff when they pastored in Tulsa.They would have everyone throw up into bags to get rid of bad spirits,attitudes or something bad.I believe they quit that stuff.I hope they are doing well but don't agree with their beliefs.

I knew the Stills.

[philjones]

I knew the Stills.

You knew some FINE folks then! Pastor L. Still was as good as they come!

[Steve Epley]

You knew some FINE folks then! Pastor L. Still was as good as they come!

I knew him and Ramona very well and her mother and aunts. What a crew!!!!

[BHILL]

I knew the Stills.

I didn't know Bro Lloyd or Lewis Still so well but we were close to Jack Still and his family.They went to our church and lived close by.I have always admired Jack Still-he is a great christian in every sense of the word.

[Barb]

His family was from Illinois. They all moved to South Dakota with my parents in 1969. His Parents now live around Alex. La. They did help on the campground with the cooking. Great people! I've been out to Terry's Church when he first started there. He is like a brother to us.

There are folks in IL with that name who are good friends of my brother (a UPCI pastor). The son has preached for Jim several times.

Not sure if it is the same family...

[Steve Epley]

I didn't know Bro Lloyd or Lewis Still so well but we were close to Jack Still and his family.They went to our church and lived close by.I have always admired Jack Still-he is a great christian in every sense of the word.

I knew them all.

[philjones]

There are folks in IL with that name who are good friends of my brother (a UPCI pastor). The son has preached for Jim several times.

Not sure if it is the same family...

Sis. Barb,

As Sandra pointed out in one of her posts, the Crist family is from Illinois. In fact, I believe that Terry is our own beloved Breachmender's nephew. The patriarch of the Crist family pastored close by the Yohes in Illinois. From there Terry's dad followed the Yohes to South Dakota.

I am pretty sure that this is the same Crist family you are referencing.

Have a great night!

[jwharv]

I looked up the church that he is merging with and it is clearly a trinitarian church.........


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[bishopnl]

Sis. Barb,

As Sandra pointed out in one of her posts, the Crist family is from Illinois. In fact, I believe that Terry is our own beloved Breachmender's nephew. The patriarch of the Crist family pastored close by the Yohes in Illinois. From there Terry's dad followed the Yohes to South Dakota.

I am pretty sure that this is the same Crist family you are referencing.

Have a great night!

My father pastor's the church that Terry Crist's grandfather pastored until his death (the church is about an hour and a half or so from St. Louis). His grandmother attended dad's church until her death a few years ago. And Terry Crist's father has ministered at the church numerous times. I've never met Terry, and don't know a whole lot about his beliefs, but the other Crist's that I have met, including his father and uncle, are outstanding people and fantastic preachers...and they are most definitely Oneness.

[Steve Epley]

My father pastor's the church that Terry Crist's grandfather pastored until his death (the church is about an hour and a half or so from St. Louis). His grandmother attended dad's church until her death a few years ago. And Terry Crist's father has ministered at the church numerous times. I've never met Terry, and don't know a whole lot about his beliefs, but the other Crist's that I have met, including his father and uncle, are outstanding people and fantastic preachers...and they are most definitely Oneness.

Sometimes the pedigree doesn't hold? Her grandparents on both sides were icons in the Apostolic movement. Their children forsook the ways of their parents. S.R. Hanby & C.P. Williams were patriarchs. So sad.

[ReformedDave]

I looked up the church that he is merging with and it is clearly a trinitarian church.........





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Bet they don't really believe the 'sovereign' part........:hypercoffee

[Sandra]

There are folks in IL with that name who are good friends of my brother (a UPCI pastor). The son has preached for Jim several times.

Not sure if it is the same family...

same family...Terry's uncle posted alot on FCF and some on NFCF. Can't think of the name he used.

[Hoovie]

Kurt Warner also was close to Joyce Myers during the time I lived in St Louis, and attended many of her functions.

YOU lived in St Louis and attended Joyce Myers functions???

[philjones]

same family...Terry's uncle posted alot on FCF and some on NFCF. Can't think of the name he used.

Sandra,

It was BreachMender. :)

He and Jim were tight! In fact it was Jim that introduced me to Terry's Uncle John Crist aka Breachmender!

[Sandra]

Sandra,

It was BreachMender. :)

He and Jim were tight! In fact it was Jim that introduced me to Terry's Uncle John Crist aka Breachmender!
Yes that it, thanks!

[Steve Epley]

I have known Breachmender for years.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Breachmender is doing really good these days,He is working at a Christian school,and preaching in California and other places.
He is not pastoring now.But He is still in LA.

[committed]

His family was from Illinois. They all moved to South Dakota with my parents in 1969. His Parents now live around Alex. La. They did help on the campground with the cooking. Great people! I've been out to Terry's Church when he first started there. He is like a brother to us.

Small world!! I remember the Crist's - along with many others from Bloomington and South Dakota.....(Never forget the times we met with your folks for coffee half-way between Bloomington and Lincoln on hwy 66 after service ) coffee2

[Robby]

My how time flies. Papa died in'02. Judith and Terry do baptize in Jesus name. They have been gone from Tulsa a decade or more. Thanks for the Piano lessons. If y'all wanna know anything else just call em. :-). Here's the number: *****

[Robby]

Sometimes the pedigree doesn't hold? Her grandparents on both sides were icons in the Apostolic movement. Their children forsook the ways of their parents. S.R. Hanby & C.P. Williams were patriarchs. So sad.

Let me introduce myself. I am a great-grandchild of both C.P. Williams & S.R. Hanby. I am Apostolic. My mother has passed. She died of cancer while trusting God for her healing. Some of their children may have forsaken, but not all. Please, before you speak, check your facts. I do not defend wrong. Have always attempted to stand for right. You may rest assured their is a remnant. As for the pedigree.....you speak of them as though they were dogs. I am tremendously thankful for my heritage. :-)

[Robby]

They were very talented,John Williams was a very gifted guitar player and encouraged me to play music when I was a kid,he took quite a interest in us,took us to concerts, etc.Too bad he did'nt live up to what he preached.
Our church split because of his indiscretions and our assistant pastor, Gary Howard took the split and has done well.
Judy and Terry were into some weird stuff when they pastored in Tulsa.They would have everyone throw up into bags to get rid of bad spirits,attitudes or something bad.I believe they quit that stuff.I hope they are doing well but don't agree with their beliefs.

Wow.....you must be proud of this post. Did you leave anything out? Surely this isn't all you know. Please don't hold back. Let's hear it all.

[Robby]

Let me introduce myself. I am a great-grandchild of both C.P. Williams & S.R. Hanby. I am Apostolic. My mother has passed. She died of cancer while trusting God for her healing. Some of their children may have forsaken, but not all. Please, before you speak, check your facts. I do not defend wrong.Have always attempted to stand for right. You may rest assured their is a remnant. As for the pedigree.....you speak of them as though they were dogs. I am tremendously thankful for my heritage. :-)

The facts do not matter, I suppose. Well.... ??

[Baron1710]

The facts do not matter, I suppose. Well.... ??

You do realize your posting on a thread that has been dead for 3 and a half years, right?

[Crispy6983]

They were very talented,John Williams was a very gifted guitar player and encouraged me to play music when I was a kid,he took quite a interest in us,took us to concerts, etc.Too bad he did'nt live up to what he preached.
Our church split because of his indiscretions and our assistant pastor, Gary Howard took the split and has done well.
Judy and Terry were into some weird stuff when they pastored in Tulsa.They would have everyone throw up into bags to get rid of bad spirits,attitudes or something bad.I believe they quit that stuff.I hope they are doing well but don't agree with their beliefs.

Wow are you sure that you are talking about the same Crist Family???

I was a member of WORD OF GRACE under paster Gary Kidman, and the church merged with CITY CHURCH. They decided to combine the names and call the church City Of Grace. I am still a Very active member of this church.

Let me share something that is just known in the church but is not talked about on the web that much. Yes the Mission of the Church is to LOVE PEOPLE TO LIFE, but a definite underlining mission that was taught by Gary for years and is still deeply ingrained in the church is, "JESUS PLUS NOTHING". Truth be told this is how i live my life still to this day. I see a bunch of people bickering about how words on a website were formed. COME ON.......

I love the Crist's and i know that they have changed.....you will never catch me doing that.... DEAD OR ALIVE.

Terry has talked about the change that they have gone through sometimes at church but i can tell that they are guarded... and this might be one of the reasons why. if you can check out a pod cast GREAT stuff it has changed my life.

As a church boy chewing on the back of a pew as a child i grew up in Pentecostal church on the east cost. when i moved to Arizona i was 4 square for a while then Baptist.... ya thats a flip. When i turned 16 i left God and the church and never wanted any thing to do with church EVER again... Drugs, Alcohol, and other destructive behavior became part of my life. This is what Denomination does... DESTROYS the message of Jesus and what he came for. I will say it again JESUS PLUS NOTHING, JESUS PLUS NOTHING, JESUS PLUS NOTHING.

This is what you will learn at this church.... come by i will save you a seat 10 in the front of the church.... well second row.

Well i feel better 'bout you???

[Jack Shephard]

Wow are you sure that you are talking about the same Crist Family???

I was a member of WORD OF GRACE under paster Gary Kidman, and the church merged with CITY CHURCH. They decided to combine the names and call the church City Of Grace. I am still a Very active member of this church.

Let me share something that is just known in the church but is not talked about on the web that much. Yes the Mission of the Church is to LOVE PEOPLE TO LIFE, but a definite underlining mission that was taught by Gary for years and is still deeply ingrained in the church is, "JESUS PLUS NOTHING". Truth be told this is how i live my life still to this day. I see a bunch of people bickering about how words on a website were formed. COME ON.......

I love the Crist's and i know that they have changed.....you will never catch me doing that.... DEAD OR ALIVE.

Terry has talked about the change that they have gone through sometimes at church but i can tell that they are guarded... and this might be one of the reasons why. if you can check out a pod cast GREAT stuff it has changed my life.

As a church boy chewing on the back of a pew as a child i grew up in Pentecostal church on the east cost. when i moved to Arizona i was 4 square for a while then Baptist.... ya thats a flip. When i turned 16 i left God and the church and never wanted any thing to do with church EVER again... Drugs, Alcohol, and other destructive behavior became part of my life. This is what Denomination does... DESTROYS the message of Jesus and what he came for. I will say it again JESUS PLUS NOTHING, JESUS PLUS NOTHING, JESUS PLUS NOTHING.

This is what you will learn at this church.... come by i will save you a seat 10 in the front of the church.... well second row.

Well i feel better 'bout you???

I am just coming back to this thread, post now. I appreciate your post here! Great words and testimony. I listen to Pastor Crist fairly regularly via the Podcasts online. He is truly incredible! I visited there in '11 when Kevin Gerald was in town preaching. I enjoyed my time there for sure.

[TommysDad]

When I was a very young child, I attended the Apostolic Church in West Tulsa, pastored by Bro. John David Williams. I remember Bro. C.P. & Sis. Mary Williams very well, as Sis. Faith Williams.

I had quite the crush on Judy Williams, though I'm sure it was never reciprocated.

My mom, my 2 sisters, and myself all left the church several years before the bottom fell out on that fateful Sunday when John David made his dreadful revelation, but my uncle stayed until that day.

I had often wondered what had happened to that family. I knew that Joy had died, but did not know the circumstances. Didn't they also have a son besides Joy and Judy?

Anyway, I know this is an old thread...was just doing a search for Gary Howard and found this site.