tithes....whadd yall think......

[Honk-a-Mon]

should the pastor get em all......................

[Tina]

I'm going off duty NOW. :D

[Honk-a-Mon]

I'm going off duty NOW. :D???....dont understand....why would you do that....this is a simple question.......

[Theresa]

should the pastor get em all......................

the bible says pay 'em so I pay 'em - the ministry is entitled to all of them if they so choose to....

[QueenEsther]

I just do my part and let God take care of it from there.

[Honk-a-Mon]

the bible says pay 'em so I pay 'em - the ministry is entitled to all of them if they so choose to....so no matter how big the amount gets.......that is cool.........?

[Theresa]

so no matter how big the amount gets.......that is cool.........?

God says pay it, I pay it - if my pastor is blessed and doesnt have to worry financially, and the church bills are paid, all the better...

[Rhymis]

He should get all the tithes and use the little envelopes for gum./]

[Honk-a-Mon]

well i am cool with all of that..........i guess.......

[Honk-a-Mon]

He should get all the tithes and use the little envelopes for gum./]what is this supposed to mean.........

[Theresa]

He should get all the tithes and use the little envelopes for gum./]

ROFL!!

[LaVonne]

I just do my part and let God take care of it from there.

Same here!

[Joe Cool]

God says pay it, I pay it - if my pastor is blessed and doesnt have to worry financially, and the church bills are paid, all the better...

How about if the church bills don't get paid? What if the preacher is taking in all the money and there's not enough coming through offerings to pay church bills. What happens then?

[Honk-a-Mon]

How about if the church bills don't get paid? What if the preacher is taking in all the money and there's not enough coming through offerings to pay church bills. What happens then?the question would be......does he need to put part back........

[LaVonne]

the question would be......does he need to put part back........

Evidently, our pastor does. At our last financial meeting, it showed that there were funds tranfered from the tithe fund into several other funds.

[Digging4Truth]

the bible says pay 'em so I pay 'em - the ministry is entitled to all of them if they so choose to....

Oh man... you guys are making this tough on me. :)

I saw this thread and said... I am going to stay out of it this time. :)

But...nowhere in the Bible were there any laws given where the ministry was ever given all of the tithe to keep for themselves.

[Kutless]

How about if the church bills don't get paid? What if the preacher is taking in all the money and there's not enough coming through offerings to pay church bills. What happens then?Good question. But who polices that?

[Theresa]

How about if the church bills don't get paid? What if the preacher is taking in all the money and there's not enough coming through offerings to pay church bills. What happens then?

that's between him and God...

It doesnt excuse me from paying my tithes.

[LaVonne]

Oh man... you guys are making this tough on me. :)

I saw this thread and said... I am going to stay out of it this time. :)

But...nowhere in the Bible were there any laws given where the ministry was ever given all of the tithe to keep for themselves.

No it wasn't...but we do it anyway! ;)

[Digging4Truth]

No it wasn't...but we do it anyway! ;)

My post was in response to a post which said the ministry are entitled to all of them.

And... as far as your post goes... I can understand the joy you feel having heaped more on your pastor than even required by law to do...

But what about the other people who God also commanded be ministered to with the tithe?

[Honk-a-Mon]

My post was in response to a post which said the ministry are entitled to all of them.

And... as far as your post goes... I can understand the joy you feel having heaped more on your pastor than even required by law to do...

But what about the other people who God also commanded be ministered to with the tithe?
so how do you think the ministry should be compenstaed...........min wage.........

[LaVonne]

My post was in response to a post which said the ministry are entitled to all of them.

And... as far as your post goes... I can understand the joy you feel having heaped more on your pastor than even required by law to do...

But what about the other people who God also commanded be ministered to with the tithe?

Ooooohhhhh....SORRY!!!!

BTW...who says I have feelings of joy?

[Theresa]

Oh man... you guys are making this tough on me. :)

I saw this thread and said... I am going to stay out of it this time. :)

But...nowhere in the Bible were there any laws given where the ministry was ever given all of the tithe to keep for themselves.

it doesnt matter to me what happens to them...it just says pay them...

so I do.

If they spend it all on bubble gum and lawn care, it's no matter to me. That's between the powers that be and God....


I believe the tithes are to support the MINISTRY which includes the pastor and the other expenses of the church.....How it's divided up and handled, I trust my pastor and the trustees, or whomever they are, to handle things correctly and in accordance with scripture and of course the IRS.

Our church financials are an open book, anyone, at any time can see how much comes in and where it goes. The only thing you cannot see is who actually gives what..but you can see how much comes in and where they spend it.

If fact, we had our business meeting last night, as I'm sure many of you have had recently or will be having, and our pastor or actually the accountant read off the figures....

but none of that matters to me - I trust my pastor with the finances and with the responsibilty he has for his "flock" as far as teaching/preaching and feeding us...

If someone is sitting under a pastor that is not open and above board, well there is some cause for concern....and I'd consider finding a more trustworthy pastor. But the Bible says I'm to pay tithes....so I pay them, GLADLY

[Esther]

My post was in response to a post which said the ministry are entitled to all of them.

And... as far as your post goes... I can understand the joy you feel having heaped more on your pastor than even required by law to do...

But what about the other people who God also commanded be ministered to with the tithe?

Why don't you expound on that d4t?

[Digging4Truth]

so how do you think the ministry should be compenstaed...........min wage.........

These things shouldn't be decided by my opinion. One would need to find scripture to answer a question like that.

But... what I said still stands.

[Joe Cool]

that's between him and God...

It doesnt excuse me from paying my tithes.

Members could just start putting tithes into the offering plate instead of the little envelopes so that the lights don't get turned off. Right? What difference does it make if it goes in an envelope or not?

[TrUtHlIvEr]

Been lurking, when I saw this thead I had to come and sign up

[Digging4Truth]

Ooooohhhhh....SORRY!!!!

BTW...who says I have feelings of joy?

LOL... Well the way you worded it I thought you seemed excited to be giving more than God would require of you to the ministry.

My bad if I was mistaken.

[Honk-a-Mon]

These things shouldn't be decided by my opinion. One would need to find scripture to answer a question like that.

But... what I said still stands.oh so you just know what he shouldnt be paid.......oh i see........

[Digging4Truth]

it doesnt matter to me what happens to them...it just says pay them...

so I do.

If they spend it all on bubble gum and lawn care, it's no matter to me. That's between the powers that be and God....


I believe the tithes are to support the MINISTRY which includes the pastor and the other expenses of the church.....How it's divided up and handled, I trust my pastor and the trustees, or whomever they are, to handle things correctly and in accordance with scripture and of course the IRS.

Our church financials are an open book, anyone, at any time can see how much comes in and where it goes. The only thing you cannot see is who actually gives what..but you can see how much comes in and where they spend it.

If fact, we had our business meeting last night, as I'm sure many of you have had recently or will be having, and our pastor or actually the accountant read off the figures....

but none of that matters to me - I trust my pastor with the finances and with the responsibilty he has for his "flock" as far as teaching/preaching and feeding us...

If someone is sitting under a pastor that is not open and above board, well there is some cause for concern....and I'd consider finding a more trustworthy pastor. But the Bible says I'm to pay tithes....so I pay them, GLADLY

I don't refute any paying you are doing.

I am just saying that the tithe was commanded to be divided and God demanded that widows, orphans, strangers, porters etc be ministered to by the tithe as well.

Do you care whether they get to ministered to by the tithe as God commanded?

[Theresa]

Members could just start putting tithes into the offering plate instead of the little envelopes so that the lights don't get turned off. Right? What difference does it make if it goes in an envelope or not?

exactly - I dont think envelopes are necessary. I use one b/c it helps the church keep track of what comes in and what it intended purpose.

But in and of itself, the envelopes are not necessary. God knows if I pay my tithes and if I'm paying 10%

[TrUtHlIvEr]

LOL... Well the way you worded it I thought you seemed excited to be giving more than God would require of you to the ministry.

My bad if I was mistaken.I get very happy when I give. I have joy, you must be one that would steal from God.

[Digging4Truth]

oh so you just know what he shouldnt be paid.......oh i see........

You are correct in making this statement... I do know both sides of the ticket... I will make a post before too long.

I sincerely apologize for my failure to be as diligient as I should have.

[LaVonne]

LOL... Well the way you worded it I thought you seemed excited to be giving more than God would require of you to the ministry.

My bad if I was mistaken.

There was a time when we gave much more than our 10% and we took much joy or pride in it. We had been taught to give until you can't give anymore and we did. However, after some negative experiences with "fundraising" we mostly tithe now...an occasional offering is put in. Now, when we move we'll probably start giving more again. I have no problem supporting ministry I believe in.

[LaVonne]

Members could just start putting tithes into the offering plate instead of the little envelopes so that the lights don't get turned off. Right? What difference does it make if it goes in an envelope or not?

makes no difference.

[TrUtHlIvEr]

You are correct in making this statement... I do know both sides of the ticket... I will make a post before too long.

I sincerely apologize for my failure to be as diligient as I should have.Your statement here makes no sense as does your logic as yet I can see.

[Digging4Truth]

I get very happy when I give. I have joy, you must be one that would steal from God.

No... That is assumed by many because I discuss this subject as I see the word of God laying it out.

But I do pay my tithes.

I paid them last week (I got paid) and I will be paying them next week... and so on and so on and so on.

[Honk-a-Mon]

You are correct in making this statement... I do know both sides of the ticket... I will make a post before too long.

I sincerely apologize for my failure to be as diligient as I should have.

so you really......dont know either way.....correct......?

[Digging4Truth]

Your statement here makes no sense as does your logic as yet I can see.

I was letting you know that I am sorry for not answering your question as you had asked and I will be making a post shortly that will answer the question for you.

[Theresa]

I get very happy when I give. I have joy, you must be one that would steal from God.

before this conversation takes a nasty turn - I'd just like to go on record to say that most of us believe the same, we just express our belief differently. I think all of us believe in paying tithes and we all think it supports the ministry. However, some of us are more concerned about the dispersment of tithes rather than it all going to the pastor...

but I dont think any of us do not pay tithes. How can you disregard something so plain in scripture?

I also think that some of our posters have had experiences with pastors who took 100% of the tithes but neglected the church finances, and serious consequences came from that.....so they are a little more sensitive on the tithing issue...

the rest of us have been lucky to have a pastor who is a good steward of all the money that comes in the church and is careful to pay the church bills and be in good standing in the community

[Digging4Truth]

so you really......dont know either way.....correct......?

Goodness... are you guys reading my post at all.

I said I do know... I apologized for not answering when it was first asked... and I said I will post in a little bit... It takes some time to pull the scriptures together.


WHEW>...

If I can ever get through answering posts that are questioning my apology.

[LaVonne]

before this conversation takes a nasty turn - I'd just like to go on record to say that most of us believe the same, we just express our belief differently. I think all of us believe in paying tithes and we all think it supports the ministry. However, some of us are more concerned about the dispersment of tithes rather than it all going to the pastor...

but I dont think any of us do not pay tithes. How can you disregard something so plain in scripture?

I also think that some of our posters have had experiences with pastors who took 100% of the tithes but neglected the church finances, and serious consequences came from that.....so they are a little more sensitive on the tithing issue...

the rest of us have been lucky to have a pastor who is a good steward of all the money that comes in the church and is careful to pay the church bills and be in good standing in the community

Good thoughts Theresa!

[TrUtHlIvEr]

I was letting you know that I am sorry for not answering your question as you had asked and I will be making a post shortly that will answer the question for you.
OK I will wait.

[TrUtHlIvEr]

Goodness... are you guys reading my post at all.

I said I do know... I apologized for not answering when it was first asked... and I said I will post in a little bit... It takes some time to pull the scriptures together.


WHEW>...

If I can ever get through answering posts that are questioning my apology.
Dude, I thought you said that there was not scripture to be forced to pay tithe. Make up your mind.

[Honk-a-Mon]

hey digger..............we are waiting............

[Joe Cool]

I believe the tithes are to support the MINISTRY which includes the pastor and the other expenses of the church.....How it's divided up and handled, I trust my pastor and the trustees, or whomever they are, to handle things correctly and in accordance with scripture and of course the IRS.

Our church financials are an open book, anyone, at any time can see how much comes in and where it goes. The only thing you cannot see is who actually gives what..but you can see how much comes in and where they spend it.



Theresa, I am not picking on you. I am quoting you because I have some legitimate questions, and you are just saying things before I have a chance to ask them.

How about this situation: What if a pastor took over a church, Membership dropped from perhaps 150 to 25 in a matter of months due to him running the church as a dictator instead of a pastor.

Church secretary and board members all gave up positions.

Bank required so many signatures on church account for funds to be released from account. Pastor signs the checks. Members who were left were held responsible. Said pastor drains church treasury, there are not enough funds left to pay bills of church.

Pastor is taking in all tithing. Pastor is writing checks on church account from what little offerings are there to pay bills.

Pastor is in charge of the account due to no one filling secretarial position. There's not enough money coming in to pay bills due to members being run off.

About the tithing- Pastor refuses to use his personal account to deposit tithing. He demands another church account be set up to hold those funds, and he wants one board member or someone else to sign blank checks for him to use from that account. If the account is overdrawn, church membership will be held responsible. Anyone have info on IRS laws as pertaining to this kind of thing?

[Theresa]

Dude, I thought you said that there was not scripture to be forced to pay tithe. Make up your mind.

I dont know what you read but I thought D4T said he didnt think the pastor should get 100% of the tithes.....he didnt say he didnt pay tithes all together, but he said he didnt see IN SCRIPTURE where it says the pastor gets ALL OF IT

[Digging4Truth]

Dude, I thought you said that there was not scripture to be forced to pay tithe. Make up your mind.

Okay folks...

I am out of this conversation...

This is why I don't get into these conversations because people get in attack mode and can't read clearly.

What I said was this....


But...nowhere in the Bible were there any laws given where the ministry was ever given all of the tithe to keep for themselves.

You are correct... you THOUGHT I said that there was no scripture to be forced to pay tithe...

I don't need to make up my mind because I haven't contradicted myself.

Although I do have thoughts along that way as well.

But one doesn't teach how to properly carve a roast in the presence of wolves.

Thanks anyway....

[LaVonne]

Okay folks...

I am out of this conversation...

This is why I don't get into these conversations because people get in attack mode and can't read clearly.

What I said was this....



You are correct... you THOUGHT I said that there was no scripture to be forced to pay tithe...

I don't need to make up my mind because I haven't contradicted myself.

Although I do have thoughts along that way as well.

But one doesn't teach how to properly carve a roast in the presence of wolves.

Thanks anyway....

I thought you were pretty clear...

[Digging4Truth]

hey digger..............we are waiting............

I will PM you when I get it together...

I have been kept kept completely busy fighting off blind attacks and have not even had the chance to pull up my bible program yet.

[Honk-a-Mon]

to me if people want to be cheated out of a blessing......well that is their bad call........

[Digging4Truth]

I thought you were pretty clear...

As did I....

Apparently not.

[Digging4Truth]

to me if people want to be cheated out of a blessing......well that is their bad call........

And... in case there would some who think that I do not tithe...

I pay my tithes...

Not saying you are saying that H-A-M... just using your post to ward off further incorrect assumptions.

[LaVonne]

As did I....

Apparently not.

Theresa did too!

[TrUtHlIvEr]

Okay folks...

I am out of this conversation...

This is why I don't get into these conversations because people get in attack mode and can't read clearly.

What I said was this....



You are correct... you THOUGHT I said that there was no scripture to be forced to pay tithe...

I don't need to make up my mind because I haven't contradicted myself.

Although I do have thoughts along that way as well.

But one doesn't teach how to properly carve a roast in the presence of wolves.

Thanks anyway....Oh so you are going to run like a coward?

[Digging4Truth]

Theresa did too!

Indeed...

This can be a wonderful conversation... but the atmosphere is not good at the moment.


Perhaps we can try it again later...

My thanks and appreciation to those who did read my posts for what they said and have responded both to me and to others in defense of what was actually written.

[Digging4Truth]

Oh so you are going to run like a coward?

No... I am going to walk... like a wise man.

[IAintMovin]

Oh so you are going to run like a coward?
I realize you are new, but we do not attack the person on here. You are close to the line.

[Theresa]

Theresa, I am not picking on you. I am quoting you because I have some legitimate questions, and you are just saying things before I have a chance to ask them.

How about this situation: What if a pastor took over a church, Membership dropped from perhaps 150 to 25 in a matter of months due to him running the church as a dictator instead of a pastor.

Church secretary and board members all gave up positions.

Bank required so many signatures on church account for funds to be released from account. Pastor signs the checks. Members who were left were held responsible. Said pastor drains church treasury, there are not enough funds left to pay bills of church.

Pastor is taking in all tithing. Pastor is writing checks on church account from what little offerings are there to pay bills.

Pastor is in charge of the account due to no one filling secretarial position. There's not enough money coming in to pay bills due to members being run off.

About the tithing- Pastor refuses to use his personal account to deposit tithing. He demands another church account be set up to hold those funds, and he wants one board member or someone else to sign blank checks for him to use from that account. If the account is overdrawn, church membership will be held responsible. Anyone have info on IRS laws as pertaining to this kind of thing?


if the pastor isnt one of integrity and honesty, then your issue is far greater than where the tithes go...I personally think the pastor is obligated to support the MINISTRY of the church with the tithing. I think it's foolish to depend on offerings to support the bills of the church. Everything that happens in the church is MINISTRY and the tithing should be used to support that - the pastor and other persons on staff that get paid, should get paid a fair wage and one that will support him and his family so he can work for the church 100% of the time....If a man who pastors isnt a good steward with the church funds or a man people respect and will follow, well, the issue isnt tithing. But if you choose to stay in that congregation, you are obligated to pay your tithes. It's between him and God if he mishandles the church funds. But I'd be looking for another church..

but from what I understand, the IRS requires that ALL funds that come into the church are put into ONE general fund. There are then other accounts that you can transfer to in order to pay bills that fall in another category - such as Foreign Missions, Faith Promise, Administrative and so on.

The church is also supposed to keep the little envelopes on file for I think 7 years...


and I dont feel picked on :) Sometimes you have to explain posts on here before folks misunderstand and get all huffy :D

[Esther]

Oh so you are going to run like a coward?

:beatdeadhorse

[TrUtHlIvEr]

I realize you are new, but we do not attack the person on here. You are close to the line.
So what are you the PO-lice, what do you want me to do.

[Theresa]

Oh so you are going to run like a coward?

why dont you cool your jets for a minute and read what the man said.....

who's the coward? making this a PERSONAL attack on a poster and not talking about the issue

[LaVonne]

So what are you the PO-lice, what do you want me to do.

Oh my!

:couch

[Honk-a-Mon]

get him......iam......you da man.......

[TrUtHlIvEr]

Oh my!

:couch
What did I do, or is that Digger behind that chair?

[Theresa]

What did I do, or is that Digger behind that chair?

you took a perfectly good CONVERSATION about an issue we ALL believe in, and made it a personal attack on a poster. That's not cool

[Theresa]

do people not READ? *shakes head*

[IAintMovin]

What did I do, or is that Digger behind that chair?
It is like this Truthliver - we do not attack personally. Back up, slow down and relax - there will be a tomorrow.

[Theophilus]

Somebody didn't read the fine print....

[Theresa]

It is like this Truthliver - we do not attack personally. Back up, slow down and relax - there will be a tomorrow.

I'm glad you said their "name" like that - I couldnt figure it out ROFL

[TrUtHlIvEr]

Somebody didn't read the fine print....
In the Bible?

[Theophilus]

In the Bible?

Now that you mention it....there appears to be a pattern emerging here.

[Honk-a-Mon]

ok you guys hijacked my thread........get back to the subject........tithes.....where is cooper when ya need him.......

[TrUtHlIvEr]

Now that you mention it....there appears to be a pattern emerging here.
?????

[TrUtHlIvEr]

Fine I am out of here.

[LaVonne]

In the Bible?

You know...the rules of the forum?!

[QueenEsther]

before this conversation takes a nasty turn - I'd just like to go on record to say that most of us believe the same, we just express our belief differently. I think all of us believe in paying tithes and we all think it supports the ministry. However, some of us are more concerned about the dispersment of tithes rather than it all going to the pastor...

but I dont think any of us do not pay tithes. How can you disregard something so plain in scripture?

I also think that some of our posters have had experiences with pastors who took 100% of the tithes but neglected the church finances, and serious consequences came from that.....so they are a little more sensitive on the tithing issue...

the rest of us have been lucky to have a pastor who is a good steward of all the money that comes in the church and is careful to pay the church bills and be in good standing in the community

Amen, well said!

[TrUtHlIvEr]

You know...the rules of the forum?!I didnt do a thing wrong.

[LaVonne]

I didnt do a thing wrong.

I'm afraid you did.

No personal attacks are allowed here.

[Digging4Truth]

Hey Truthliver....

We can discuss this... I won't run off... But can we agree to discuss it in a calm manner?

We will both get more out of it, enjoy it more, and have a better chance of learning from each other if we can discuss it in a civil manner.

[QueenEsther]

if the pastor isnt one of integrity and honesty, then your issue is far greater than where the tithes go...I personally think the pastor is obligated to support the MINISTRY of the church with the tithing. I think it's foolish to depend on offerings to support the bills of the church. Everything that happens in the church is MINISTRY and the tithing should be used to support that - the pastor and other persons on staff that get paid, should get paid a fair wage and one that will support him and his family so he can work for the church 100% of the time....If a man who pastors isnt a good steward with the church funds or a man people respect and will follow, well, the issue isnt tithing. But if you choose to stay in that congregation, you are obligated to pay your tithes. It's between him and God if he mishandles the church funds. But I'd be looking for another church..

but from what I understand, the IRS requires that ALL funds that come into the church are put into ONE general fund. There are then other accounts that you can transfer to in order to pay bills that fall in another category - such as Foreign Missions, Faith Promise, Administrative and so on.

The church is also supposed to keep the little envelopes on file for I think 7 years...


and I dont feel picked on :) Sometimes you have to explain posts on here before folks misunderstand and get all huffy :D


Amen!!!!

[Theresa]

Fine I am out of here.

buh bye



ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!




I know, it was mean of me, I couldnt resist

[LaVonne]

buh bye



ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!




I know, it was mean of me, I couldnt resist

:heeheehee

[NLYP]

How about if the church bills don't get paid? What if the preacher is taking in all the money and there's not enough coming through offerings to pay church bills. What happens then?

Bring your tithes and offerings to the Pastors house...hmmmm
Some would LOVE it to say that!

Bring your tithes and offerings into the storehouse......

[NLYP]

Oh man... you guys are making this tough on me. :)

I saw this thread and said... I am going to stay out of it this time. :)

But...nowhere in the Bible were there any laws given where the ministry was ever given all of the tithe to keep for themselves.

YEA Verily I would say amen!

[Digging4Truth]

Here is waht I see on the division of the tithe.

The tithe was indeed given to the Levites (not the priests) but it was given to them to distribute... not to keep. They were to distribute 10% of the tithe that came in for themselves. They were to then distribute another 10% of the tithe that came in to the priests.

This was their portion (in other words... they weren't given any land. The other tribes were.... the other tribes paid in 10% of their increase on the land.) 10% of that tithe from the increase was for the Levites. 10% of that tithe from the increase was for the priests.

here is the scripture on this...

Num 18:25 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Num 18:26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, [even] a tenth [part] of the tithe.

When they received the tithe from the people they were to take a heave offering (10% of the tithe) and offer it up for the Lord.

Num 18:27 And [this] your heave offering shall be reckoned unto you, as though [it were] the corn of the threshingfloor, and as the fulness of the winepress.

This heave offering (the 10% of the tithe that had been brought in) was to be considered as their very own and reckoned unto the Levites.


Num 18:28 Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the LORD of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the LORD'S heave offering to Aaron the priest.

They were to then take another heave offering (another 10% of the tithe) and give it to the priests and the priests were to keep that for themselves just as the Levites had kept the heave offering for themselves.

Num 18:29 Out of all your gifts ye shall offer every heave offering of the LORD, of all the best thereof, [even] the hallowed part thereof out of it.

Not only were they to keep 10% of the tithe... but they were to make sure that what they kept was the best 10%

Num 18:30 Therefore thou shalt say unto them, When ye have heaved the best thereof from it, then it shall be counted unto the Levites as the increase of the threshingfloor, and as the increase of the winepress.

The 10% that they had kept out for themselves was to be counted as their own.

Num 18:31 And ye shall eat it in every place, ye and your households: for it [is] your reward for your service in the tabernacle of the congregation.

It was theirs to have and to do with anyway they pleased

Num 18:32 And ye shall bear no sin by reason of it, when ye have heaved from it the best of it: neither shall ye pollute the holy things of the children of Israel, lest ye die.

The 10% of the tithe for the Levites, and the 10% of the tithe for the priests was allowed to them to keep and no sin would be counted to them for keeping this amount

[Rhymis]

dig U need to dig deeper// to shallow

[Digging4Truth]

dig U need to dig deeper// to shallow

I would be happy to learn.

Please demonstrate what you are speaking about and I will certainly weigh it with an open mind and an honest heart.

Looking forward to it.

What I have posted is what I know. I would be foolish to purport that I know it all.

[Theophilus]

I would be happy to learn.

Please demonstrate what you are speaking about and I will certainly weigh it with an open mind and an honest heart.

Looking forward to it.

What I have posted is what I know. I would be foolish to purport that I know it all.

Me too.

Teach us Rhymis, the deep ways of the Christian tithe.

[Esther]

Here is waht I see on the division of the tithe.

The tithe was indeed given to the Levites (not the priests) but it was given to them to distribute... not to keep. They were to distribute 10% of the tithe that came in for themselves. They were to then distribute another 10% of the tithe that came in to the priests.

This was their portion (in other words... they weren't given any land. The other tribes were.... the other tribes paid in 10% of their increase on the land.) 10% of that tithe from the increase was for the Levites. 10% of that tithe from the increase was for the priests.

here is the scripture on this...



When they received the tithe from the people they were to take a heave offering (10% of the tithe) and offer it up for the Lord.



This heave offering (the 10% of the tithe that had been brought in) was to be considered as their very own and reckoned unto the Levites.



They were to then take another heave offering (another 10% of the tithe) and give it to the priests and the priests were to keep that for themselves just as the Levites had kept the heave offering for themselves.



Not only were they to keep 10% of the tithe... but they were to make sure that what they kept was the best 10%


The 10% that they had kept out for themselves was to be counted as their own.



It was theirs to have and to do with anyway they pleased



The 10% of the tithe for the Levites, and the 10% of the tithe for the priests was allowed to them to keep and no sin would be counted to them for keeping this amount

I have heard this said before that the pastors are only to receive 10%.

What say ye pastors?

[Esther]

dig U need to dig deeper// to shallow

Enlighten us.

[BrotherEastman]

I pay tithes. I even have scripture as to why. Although, it took me a little bit of understanding to do this, it isn't exactly a NT mandate, but I'm glad I do pay tithe.

[Blubayou]

it doesnt matter to me what happens to them...it just says pay them...

so I do.

If they spend it all on bubble gum and lawn care, it's no matter to me. That's between the powers that be and God....


I believe the tithes are to support the MINISTRY which includes the pastor and the other expenses of the church.....How it's divided up and handled, I trust my pastor and the trustees, or whomever they are, to handle things correctly and in accordance with scripture and of course the IRS.

Our church financials are an open book, anyone, at any time can see how much comes in and where it goes. The only thing you cannot see is who actually gives what..but you can see how much comes in and where they spend it.

If fact, we had our business meeting last night, as I'm sure many of you have had recently or will be having, and our pastor or actually the accountant read off the figures....

but none of that matters to me - I trust my pastor with the finances and with the responsibilty he has for his "flock" as far as teaching/preaching and feeding us...

If someone is sitting under a pastor that is not open and above board, well there is some cause for concern....and I'd consider finding a more trustworthy pastor. But the Bible says I'm to pay tithes....so I pay them, GLADLY

I appreiate the spirit of this message! I used to be like many others and said "I pay my tithes and let God worry about the rest". Until I was pastored by someone who tread upon that trust. Then I found a more trustworthy pastor.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Rhymis View Post
dig U need to dig deeper// to shallowI would be happy to learn.

Please demonstrate what you are speaking about and I will certainly weigh it with an open mind and an honest heart.

Looking forward to it.

What I have posted is what I know. I would be foolish to purport that I know it all.

Bump for Rhymis.

Looking forward to hearing what you have to say.

[MrsMcD]

I have no idea where my tithe or offering goes. We haven't had a business meeting at our church in seven years. I do think the pastor should have a business meeting. I think the saints would feel much better about giving.

If I were a board member, I would be concerned about the money.

[Neck]

should the pastor get em all......................

My feelings a salary and 10% of the church Tithe should go for the Pastor's insurance and retirement. Money that is directed for the future.

Nathan Eckstadt

[Digging4Truth]

My feelings a salary and 10% of the church Tithe should go for the Pastor's insurance and retirement. Money that is directed for the future.

Nathan Eckstadt

Good grief brother...

That made so much sense it made me dizzy for a second. :)

[Neck]

I just do my part and let God take care of it from there.


The same Pastor's ask us to hold our Gov't accountable for out taxes. DO not want to be accountable to others with the church money. DO not be so trusting.....

[Digging4Truth]

The same Pastor's ask us to hold our Gov't accountable for out taxes. DO not want to be accountable to others with the church money. DO not be so trusting.....

Sounds like a "been there done that" statement.

I have too. :)

[Neck]

I had a pastor ask me how much I made. I told him when you tell me where my givings will go, you will see my W2.

[Neck]

Why do ministers need to see an envelope? If you give in cash they think you are not paying your tithe. When my Dad pastored in Richmond, Va in 1971. He preached Tithing as between you and God. He did not want to prefer one saint above another on how he dealt with folks. SO he told them to give without envelopes. You can still do this if you keep records for the IRS and give less than $250.00 at each offering.

[NLYP]

Here is waht I see on the division of the tithe.

The tithe was indeed given to the Levites (not the priests) but it was given to them to distribute... not to keep. They were to distribute 10% of the tithe that came in for themselves. They were to then distribute another 10% of the tithe that came in to the priests.

This was their portion (in other words... they weren't given any land. The other tribes were.... the other tribes paid in 10% of their increase on the land.) 10% of that tithe from the increase was for the Levites. 10% of that tithe from the increase was for the priests.

here is the scripture on this...



When they received the tithe from the people they were to take a heave offering (10% of the tithe) and offer it up for the Lord.



This heave offering (the 10% of the tithe that had been brought in) was to be considered as their very own and reckoned unto the Levites.



They were to then take another heave offering (another 10% of the tithe) and give it to the priests and the priests were to keep that for themselves just as the Levites had kept the heave offering for themselves.



Not only were they to keep 10% of the tithe... but they were to make sure that what they kept was the best 10%


The 10% that they had kept out for themselves was to be counted as their own.



It was theirs to have and to do with anyway they pleased



The 10% of the tithe for the Levites, and the 10% of the tithe for the priests was allowed to them to keep and no sin would be counted to them for keeping this amount

RIGHT ON THE MONEY!

(no pun intended)

[Digging4Truth]

RIGHT ON THE MONEY!

(no pun intended)

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...

On the money...

Hilarious.

:killinme :killinme :killinme

[NLYP]

Actually...sad to say that "tithing" was one of the big issues as to why me and Tiffany resigned from our church in november..
I Got REALLY tired of being pulled in the office and having my tithe record gone over with me and being told "c'mon Bro., I know you make more than this"!
or "I know you were supposed to get your annual bonus......I didnt see tithes on it"!

Yall...THAT stuff burned me up!

HE controls 100% of the tithes and his wife tracked the envelopes and wrote the checks!

This notion that the Pastor alone controls the tithe is complete poppycock in my opinion.

A Pastor should be accountable to a finance commitee and a NICE salary should be negotiated.

Some will say...I have to take all the tithes or I wont make enough...

WELL.....get off the forum...go win souls and increase the tithing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im going to go hide now!:couch :couch

[rgcraig]

Actually...sad to say that "tithing" was one of the big issues as to why me and Tiffany resigned from our church in november..
I Got REALLY tired of being pulled in the office and having my tithe record gone over with me and being told "c'mon Bro., I know you make more than this"!
or "I know you were supposed to get your annual bonus......I didnt see tithes on it"!

Yall...THAT stuff burned me up!

HE controls 100% of the tithes and his wife tracked the envelopes and wrote the checks!

This notion that the Pastor alone controls the tithe is complete poppycock in my opinion.

A Pastor should be accountable to a finance commitee and a NICE salary should be negotiated.

Some will say...I have to take all the tithes or I wont make enough...

WELL.....get off the forum...go win souls and increase the tithing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im going to go hide now!:couch :couch
Hope he doesn't surf the forum!

[NLYP]

Hope he doesn't surf the forum!

I know he is alurker.....My Darling "MOM" ask me if I care....c'mon ask me!:tease

He knows how I feel....I brought it up at the last business meeting. (deep breath)!

[AGAPE]

should the pastor get em all......................

yep

[MrsMcD]

Hope he doesn't surf the forum!

LOL

Maybe he should learn that isn't the way to treat someone. I couldn't imagine having a pastor pull someone in the office and question them about how much they money they make. Shouldn't that be between the saint and God.

[Digging4Truth]

yep

Do you have any biblical reason for your feelings on this matter?

[rgcraig]

LOL

Maybe he should learn that isn't the way to treat someone. I couldn't imagine having a pastor pull someone in the office and question them about how much they money they make. Shouldn't that be between the saint and God.

Good point. :ty

[AGAPE]

Do you have any biblical reason for your feelings on this matter?

Heb. 13:17:killinme

[crakjak]

LOL

Maybe he should learn that isn't the way to treat someone. I couldn't imagine having a pastor pull someone in the office and question them about how much they money they make. Shouldn't that be between the saint and God.

Wow, it is unbelievable that that could happen. But know it has and does, but I don't think it is very wide spread. I cannot image folks not seeing the greed of such an approach.

[Digging4Truth]

Heb. 13:17:killinme


Hbr 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that [is] unprofitable for you.

Those who don't follow the word of God don't rule over me.

Are there any scriptures that you have for feeling that ALL of the tithe go to the pastor is per the word of God?

[QueenEsther]

The same Pastor's ask us to hold our Gov't accountable for out taxes. DO not want to be accountable to others with the church money. DO not be so trusting.....

I guess if I had a reason to distrust I would feel differently but I have been blessed with 2 pastor's in my lifetime who have been very open about the church finances and I have had no reason to distrust them.

[QueenEsther]

Actually...sad to say that "tithing" was one of the big issues as to why me and Tiffany resigned from our church in november..
I Got REALLY tired of being pulled in the office and having my tithe record gone over with me and being told "c'mon Bro., I know you make more than this"!
or "I know you were supposed to get your annual bonus......I didnt see tithes on it"!

Yall...THAT stuff burned me up!

HE controls 100% of the tithes and his wife tracked the envelopes and wrote the checks!

This notion that the Pastor alone controls the tithe is complete poppycock in my opinion.

A Pastor should be accountable to a finance commitee and a NICE salary should be negotiated.

Some will say...I have to take all the tithes or I wont make enough...

WELL.....get off the forum...go win souls and increase the tithing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im going to go hide now!:couch :couch


Thankfully my pastor doesn't even look over who pays and who doesn't - he lets the bookeeper do that, so that he doens't know.

[whollyHis]

Actually...sad to say that "tithing" was one of the big issues as to why me and Tiffany resigned from our church in november..
I Got REALLY tired of being pulled in the office and having my tithe record gone over with me and being told "c'mon Bro., I know you make more than this"!
or "I know you were supposed to get your annual bonus......I didnt see tithes on it"!

Yall...THAT stuff burned me up!

HE controls 100% of the tithes and his wife tracked the envelopes and wrote the checks!

This notion that the Pastor alone controls the tithe is complete poppycock in my opinion.

A Pastor should be accountable to a finance commitee and a NICE salary should be negotiated.

Some will say...I have to take all the tithes or I wont make enough...

WELL.....get off the forum...go win souls and increase the tithing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im going to go hide now!:couch :couch


Dan...I have friends that just left their church because the pastor approached them before a Rally one night- in front of about 100 folk, and said," Brother, I missed getting your tithe last Sunday. I know you all were sick and couldn't make it to church, but, if I don't get that $40.00 you always give, then the van won't have any gas for the week." !!!!!!!!!!!

You could actually hear a pin drop in the room, they said...they got up and left. Have never gone back.

[Digging4Truth]

For the most part, once we moved past yesterdays 90 to nothing portion, this thread has been kept largely biblical. (By that I mean that a good portion of the posts are actually using scripture and commenting on what each person feels the word of God says rather than simply batting about opinions)

Do any other pastors or preachers out there have any thoughts along the lines of the scripture texts and associated opinions that have been expressed?

[Neck]

I guess if I had a reason to distrust I would feel differently but I have been blessed with 2 pastor's in my lifetime who have been very open about the church finances and I have had no reason to distrust them.

That is great and should be a given.

[Neck]

Thankfully my pastor doesn't even look over who pays and who doesn't - he lets the bookeeper do that, so that he doens't know.

Trust me they know. It is one click of the mouse into the system.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhymis View Post
dig U need to dig deeper// to shallowI would be happy to learn.
Please demonstrate what you are speaking about and I will certainly weigh it with an open mind and an honest heart.

Looking forward to it.

What I have posted is what I know. I would be foolish to purport that I know it all.

Bump for Rhymis.

Looking forward to hearing what you have to say.

[QueenEsther]

Trust me they know. It is one click of the mouse into the system.

Depending on what system you use!! Lol!!!