View Full Version : Is Vaugn Morton & Company Exiting the UPC ?
Word has it that VM and several Ultra cons are leaving
your thoughts on this
are they just being bad sports ? didn't get their way etc OR have legit reasons
I understand that many here in CA. are just not going to renew their names at the end of the year but a few will mail in their cards
dizzyde
09-28-2007, 11:54 AM
I have nothing against Bro. Morton, I think he is actually a very good man, even though I don't agree with his positions on a lot of things. He at least has been completely consistent in what he does, unlike many others in his group.
But to the heart of the question, my personal feeling is that, it probably is time for that group to move on, they have for the most part removed themselves from the district as it is, and I think there are too many issues that they will never agree on, for them to be able to stay. And really that is fine. I don't think it has to be ugly on either side, just an agreement to disagree. If only it could go that way, without all the name-calling and finger-pointing.
redeemedcynic84
09-28-2007, 11:55 AM
I wonder how many of the people who want to leave are kicking themselves for voting in resolution 3 right now...
I have nothing against Bro. Morton, I think he is actually a very good man, even though I don't agree with his positions on a lot of things. He at least has been completely consistent in what he does, unlike many others in his group.
But to the heart of the question, my personal feeling is that, it probably is time for that group to move on, they have for the most part removed themselves from the district as it is, and I think there are too many issues that they will never agree on, for them to be able to stay. And really that is fine. I don't think it has to be ugly on either side, just an agreement to disagree. If only it could go that way, without all the name-calling and finger-pointing.
But you don't think there is any bitterness from this group? no hostility?
many think that they wanted their own power, etc.. any opinions on this ?
do you think it was just strictly about the rules and standards ?
HangingOut
09-28-2007, 11:59 AM
LB is the only one I heard that announced that he would.
LB is the only one I heard that announced that he would.
in california ??
believe me, several said they would
dizzyde
09-28-2007, 12:02 PM
But you don't think there is any bitterness from this group? no hostility?many think that they wanted their own power, etc.. any opinions on this ?
do you think it was just strictly about the rules and standards ?
From the GROUP, no doubt! But apparantly they didn't get the memo where any one sub-group does not get to call all the shots. Although, they have controlled the flow of a lot of things in this district for a while now. Which is one of the reasons that the South wanted to split so badly.
I wonder how many of the people who want to leave are kicking themselves for voting in resolution 3 right now...
I think there might be a misunderstanding for Resolution 3 -- it's only referring to people who have been under question by the district board and/or license has been "taken" due to questionable behavior. Not just ex-upci brethren..... I think it is just those "under question".
HangingOut
09-28-2007, 12:04 PM
Yes
in california ??
believe me, several said they would
Bowas
09-28-2007, 12:08 PM
in california ??
believe me, several said they would
Quite a few said they would, many of those won't, at least not at first.
If they all left en-mass, the UPCI would plan new churches there pronto, and those pastors that would leave the UPCI, may find "their" saints may be tempted to go with the new UPCI across the street.
I would think most will just let their cards lapse so as not to create a vacuum that can and would be filled in no time.
JMHO
lisafitzh2o
09-28-2007, 12:09 PM
I think there might be a misunderstanding for Resolution 3 -- it's only referring to people who have been under question by the district board and/or license has been "taken" due to questionable behavior. Not just ex-upci brethren..... I think it is just those "under question".
YES...that's where people are getting confused. I talked to someone actually in the meeting and he said nothing was said about someone who leaves the organization. It's for people who've been under question regarding money, morality, ethics, stuff like that.
Grant it, the district board can call these guys ethically under question because they pulled out of the organization, but in reality, how often will that happen?
redeemedcynic84
09-28-2007, 12:11 PM
I think there might be a misunderstanding for Resolution 3 -- it's only referring to people who have been under question by the district board and/or license has been "taken" due to questionable behavior. Not just ex-upci brethren..... I think it is just those "under question".
it read like it was anyone who is ex-upci is automatically on that list when someone posted the wording in the bit business meeting thread...
This thread is about to be removed - deleted
got word that someone is very angry over this thread
admin. go ahead and pull the plug
NOt quite understanding what's wrong with it but o well, if it offends a minister then let it go
dizzyde
09-28-2007, 12:19 PM
Sorry!!!
they removed the thread and now it's back
ummmmmmm ! ! what's that all about it ??
philjones
09-28-2007, 12:21 PM
YES...that's where people are getting confused. I talked to someone actually in the meeting and he said nothing was said about someone who leaves the organization. It's for people who've been under question regarding money, morality, ethics, stuff like that.
Grant it, the district board can call these guys ethically under question because they pulled out of the organization, but in reality, how often will that happen?
Trust me... you are mistaken. Before this further clarification of the rule, the OK district put AFF's own Triumphant1 under question and he had turned in his license willingly with no active question against his life. The sole purpose was to prevent his friends still in the UPC from using him. He got a letter weeks or months after his withdrawl informing him that he had been placed under question and then a letter was mailed to the ministry of the OK district informing them that he was basically minster non grata.
His "sin"... he no longer agreed with the standards so he did the honorable thing and withdrew.
Trust me... it is rife with the possibility for abuse by those in power.
Boomm?? why did you or admin remove and then put the thread back up ?
Trust me... you are mistaken. Before this further clarification of the rule, the OK district put AFF's own Triumphant1 under question and he had turned in his license willingly with no active question against his life. The sole purpose was to prevent his friends still in the UPC from using him. He got a letter weeks or months after his withdrawl informing him that he had been placed under question and then a letter was mailed to the ministry of the OK district informing them that he was basically minster non grata.
His "sin"... he no longer agreed with the standards so he did the honorable thing and withdrew.
Trust me... it is rife with the possibility for abuse by those in power.
I guess then it would depend on what District you were talking about?
dizzyde
09-28-2007, 12:25 PM
sorry for ???
Oh just felt like I was going around causing problems again, seem to be getting real good at that! :drama
philjones
09-28-2007, 12:26 PM
I guess then it would depend on what District you were talking about?
Not really. The point is that it is possible. Some districts may not abuse the power it gives them but the fact that they could is not healthy!
Oh just felt like I was going around causing problems again, seem to be getting real good at that! :drama
i don't see how this thread is so bad but i was told by admin that a preacher was quite upset over it so i told admin. to go ahead and remove it which they did but now it's back???
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