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A UPC official has made his case for an apology to Kenneth Phillips for all that the UPC put him through in the 70s
your take on it
FRINGE_NUTTER
09-28-2007, 09:33 PM
A UPC official has made his case for an apology to Kenneth Phillips for all that the UPC put him through in the 70s
your take on it
UPC Officials ought to apoogize to a lot of people, but it won't happen in a million years. That is my take. :killinme
UPC Officials ought to apoogize to a lot of people, but it won't happen in a million years. That is my take. :killinme
why?
what for ??
commonsense
09-28-2007, 09:44 PM
UPC Officials ought to apoogize to a lot of people, but it won't happen in a million years. That is my take. :killinme
I agree.
Invite him to preach at BOTT or preach the opening night at next year's GC.A UPC official has made his case for an apology to Kenneth Phillips for all that the UPC put him through in the 70s
your take on it
FRINGE_NUTTER
09-28-2007, 10:04 PM
why?
what for ??
I would never reveal anything personally or attack anyone on a public forum, even though I could say much all in truth. God will judge. I am not worried about others paying their dues. If not in this world, in the world to come.
BoredOutOfMyMind
09-28-2007, 10:05 PM
Your Pastor did an awesome job in the Youth Service.
You should have gone with him to play!
I would never reveal anything personally or attack anyone on a public forum, even though I could say much all in truth. God will judge. I am not worried about others paying their dues. If not in this world, in the world to come.
that didnt really answer my Question
Your Pastor did an awesome job in the Youth Service.
You should have gone with him to play!
I sort of regret not going now but i had other obligations and tired of traveling
no one was asking for names just experiences
EXTRA
this was a District Official who stated that If this resolution was passed exactly 30 years ago, Kenneth PHillips would still be with us
stmatthew
09-28-2007, 10:18 PM
EXTRA
this was a District Official who stated that If this resolution was passed exactly 30 years ago, Kenneth PHillips would still be with us
Maybe he would have, and maybe he wouldn't have. His flirting with trinitarians would have likely gotten him booted.
Mrs. LPW
09-28-2007, 10:21 PM
I would never reveal anything personally or attack anyone on a public forum, even though I could say much all in truth. God will judge. I am not worried about others paying their dues. If not in this world, in the world to come.
Kinda easy to say UPC should apologize to a lot of people but not be willing to expound. You know, I've been around the bush a few times myself, and a whole lot of Christiandom could apologize for a whole lot of things. Not just UPC and affiliates. We're all wrong sometimes.
James Griffin
09-28-2007, 10:22 PM
Maybe he would have, and maybe he wouldn't have. His flirting with trinitarians would have likely gotten him booted.
Have a feeling Jesus would have gotten the boot too, making wine, speaking to prostitutes with no one else around.... the list goes on... :sshhh
stmatthew
09-28-2007, 10:24 PM
Have a feeling Jesus would have gotten the boot too, making wine, speaking to prostitutes with no one else around.... the list goes on... :sshhh
a little difference in reaching out to the lost, and having them teach from your pulpit the sheep God has entrusted into your care.
stmatthew
09-28-2007, 10:25 PM
Have a feeling Jesus would have gotten the boot too, making wine, speaking to prostitutes with no one else around.... the list goes on... :sshhh
But the bearded Savior would have gotten the boot too.
FRINGE_NUTTER
09-28-2007, 10:36 PM
that didnt really answer my Question
I don't think I could answer your question, without getting specific. I would never do that in a public forum or privately.
FRINGE_NUTTER
09-28-2007, 10:37 PM
Kinda easy to say UPC should apologize to a lot of people but not be willing to expound. You know, I've been around the bush a few times myself, and a whole lot of Christiandom could apologize for a whole lot of things. Not just UPC and affiliates. We're all wrong sometimes.
Welcome to the forum. I agree with your post.
Mrs. LPW
09-28-2007, 10:39 PM
Kinda easy to say UPC should apologize to a lot of people but not be willing to expound. You know, I've been around the bush a few times myself, and a whole lot of Christiandom could apologize for a whole lot of things. Not just UPC and affiliates. We're all wrong sometimes.
Welcome to the forum. I agree with your post.
Thank you! Glad to be here.
I've been reading for a bit, finally decided to get an "identity".
Strongminded
09-29-2007, 08:38 AM
Maybe he would have, and maybe he wouldn't have. His flirting with trinitarians would have likely gotten him booted.
NO WAY!!!
Mangun, Tenny, Williams, and MANY more "flirt" with trinitarians...its a moot point!
how do you all define " flirting with trinitarians " ??
like having john maxwell speak ? going on TBN ? having jakes at the louisiana camp grounds ?
stmatthew
09-29-2007, 04:00 PM
NO WAY!!!
Mangun, Tenny, Williams, and MANY more "flirt" with trinitarians...its a moot point!
SM,
as I said somewhere above, I think there is a big difference in going outside of the 4 walls and attempting to reach the trinitarians with Truth, and inviting them in to feed the flock that God has made you overseer of. Do you agree??
To err is human,
to forgive is divine.
Neither is UPC policy
A UPC official has made his case for an apology to Kenneth Phillips for all that the UPC put him through in the 70s
your take on it
As I mentioned in an ealier post on in another thread. I lived in Ft. Worth in 1975 and 1976.
My father was the dean of Theology at Mark Hanby's Wide World of Ministries bible college.
I was 11-12 years old.
The General Conference was in Ft. Worth in 1975.
I remember my dad at a dinner for ministers who were to attend the GC.
Talking to Norman Pasley from Cincinnati, OH, Mark Hanby and Kenneth Phillips.
After the preconference rally at Mark Hanby's church.
There was a silent group of ministers that were thinking about leaving the UPC.
I know first hand some of the issues Mark Hanby had back in those days.
Mark Hanby came to Cincinnati in March of 1978 along with some 200 other ministers to attend my Dad's funeral (My dad was only 43) the same age I am now.
At that funeral after the service and at the dinner we had for everyone put on by the church.
I witnessed a conversation between my Mom, Mark Hanby and Nathaniel Urshan.
Mark Hanby began to cry, he told my Mom and Bro Urshan that my father was someone that he wished he could have been!
I heard him tell Bro Urshan that never had he witnessed a man with such a love for God's word.
He was telling them that my Dad believed that there would be very large churches in the future.
Then he mentioned that my Dad John Eckstadt prophesied that the One God message would be heard around the world via the use of TV.
I remember looking at a very stunned Nathaniel Urshan as my Mom started to cry and told Mark Hanby.
She told the both of them as other men stood near by, that he thought big, he believed big, he had God reveal to him big.
That was a day that I will never forget.
My dad had a dream of Debating the Oneness/Trinity doctrine on TV. He would take both sides of the debate.
In 1961 my dad had converted a UPC church in Hartford. Connecticut to the Assembly of God. Then in 1963 he converted them back to the UPC as received the Oneness revelation.
Since he knew the Trinity doctrine from start to finish with having attended one of their largest and most popular AOG bible colleges in the late 1950's.
I am not sure what the UPC should do with Kenneth Phillips.
But it sure is a sign that God is still moving on the prophetic words of a good man that has been resting in Christ since 1978.
Maybe extend a hand of friendship and brotherhood to Kenneth Phillips. That could be very good and very healing.
The MH thing...that's another matter completely.
Some fishy stuff goin' on there...
Maybe extend a hand of friendship and brotherhood to Kenneth Phillips. That could be very good and very healing.
The MH thing...that's another matter completely.
Some fishy stuff goin' on there...
I agree MH stand on tv were overshadowed by his lack of character regarding his actions and behavior.
A UPC official has made his case for an apology to Kenneth Phillips for all that the UPC put him through in the 70s
your take on it
LOL!!!! That would be like the Federal government apologizing to American Indians that Columbus discovered America or that the Pilgrams came.
Makes no sense to me. Obviously I think the UPC was wrong way back in 1977but to expect them to apologize now for a legitimate heartfelt decision that was made back then is silly to me.
LOL!!!! That would be like the Federal government apologizing to American Indians that Columbus discovered America or that the Pilgrams came.
Makes no sense to me. Obviously I think the UPC was wrong way back in 1977but to expect them to apologize now for a legitimate heartfelt decision that was made back then is silly to me.
What should be done is an offical statement on the reason for the change now.
Then state that the vision that started with men as far back as 1975 has now come to pass...
NOT saying they would do it but was proposed
i wouldn't put it past KH though - serious.
Pastor Keith
09-29-2007, 09:49 PM
A UPC official has made his case for an apology to Kenneth Phillips for all that the UPC put him through in the 70s
your take on it
Was it 1977 or 1976 when him and Hanby left, I was a young child at the WOP at the time, so I can't remember the year, but if it was 1977, wow that would be a irony, 30 years later.
Was it 1977 or 1976 when him and Hanby left, I was a young child at the WOP at the time, so I can't remember the year, but if it was 1977, wow that would be a irony, 30 years later.
1977
Pastor Keith
09-29-2007, 09:53 PM
1977
Interesting, come full circle. Maybe Kenneth will come back home.
Interesting, come full circle. Maybe Kenneth will come back home.
I wont address that one !! aint touching it with a 50 ft fishing pole !!!
Interesting, come full circle. Maybe Kenneth will come back home.
You still cannot have a program on TV in the UPC. Res #4 was only for advertising on TV.
Of course once the ultra con take their marbles and go home there may be enough votes to pass a broader resolution in the next few years allowing programs.
Plus KP does not teach the uncut hair doctrine nor does he preach against jewelry, makeup. or pants on women. Not exactly UPC material.
However I was in church this past Wednesday at Promiseland Austin and I counted 9 bunheads. That is a marked increase from the years I was there. I think some of it might be Suberites.
I also met two pretty girsl who were out of the O.F. David Fauss church Greater Bethel in Houston. They also had cut hair, makeup, etc. Is Fauss still UPC?
Nahum
09-29-2007, 10:01 PM
You still cannot have a program on TV in the UPC. Res #4 was only for advertising on TV.
Of course once the ultra con take their marbles and go home there may be enough votes to pass a broader resolution in the next few years allowing programs.
Plus KP does not teach the uncut hair doctrine nor does he preach against jewelry, makeup. or pants on women. Not exactly UPC material.
However I was in church this past Wednesday at Promiseland Austin and I counted 9 bunheads. That is a marked increase from the years I was there. I think some of it might be Suberites.
I also met two pretty girsl who were out of the O.F. David Fauss church Greater Bethel in Houston. They also had cut hair, makeup, etc. Is Fauss still UPC?
CC1, the resolution allows ministry as well.
BoredOutOfMyMind
09-29-2007, 10:02 PM
EXTRA
this was a District Official who stated that If this resolution was passed exactly 30 years ago, Kenneth PHillips would still be with us
Maybe he would have, and maybe he wouldn't have. His flirting with trinitarians would have likely gotten him booted.
Have a feeling Jesus would have gotten the boot too, making wine, speaking to prostitutes with no one else around.... the list goes on... :sshhh
a little difference in reaching out to the lost, and having them teach from your pulpit the sheep God has entrusted into your care.
bump for reply from CC1
bump for reply from CC1
LOL!!! It is true that KP would have never left the UPC and would most likely be a lot more conservative today had he not been pushed out of the nest back in 1977.
However he was pushed out and he did become exposed to a lot of different perspectives than the one he had grown up with. He retained the 3 stepper PAJC view of salvation but also learned that Oneness folks don't have a lock on all truth. That there are many things we can learn from Trinitarian Christians and to witness to them about Acts 2:38 you need to have dialogue with them and befriend them.
Hoovie
09-29-2007, 10:25 PM
LOL!!! It is true that KP would have never left the UPC and would most likely be a lot more conservative today had he not been pushed out of the nest back in 1977.
However he was pushed out and he did become exposed to a lot of different perspectives than the one he had grown up with. He retained the 3 stepper PAJC view of salvation but also learned that Oneness folks don't have a lock on all truth. That there are many things we can learn from Trinitarian Christians and to witness to them about Acts 2:38 you need to have dialogue with them and befriend them.
Many in the UPC believe this also - including myself.
Hoovie
09-29-2007, 10:27 PM
CC1, the resolution allows ministry as well.
bump for CC1. Did you understand the restrictive amendment to res 4 did not pass?
Many in the UPC believe this also - including myself.
Yeah but you are a backslidden Mennonite who makes a living by appearing on secular network prime time television programs!!!!!!
:hypercoffee
Pastor Keith
09-29-2007, 10:33 PM
You still cannot have a program on TV in the UPC. Res #4 was only for advertising on TV.
Of course once the ultra con take their marbles and go home there may be enough votes to pass a broader resolution in the next few years allowing programs.
Plus KP does not teach the uncut hair doctrine nor does he preach against jewelry, makeup. or pants on women. Not exactly UPC material.
However I was in church this past Wednesday at Promiseland Austin and I counted 9 bunheads. That is a marked increase from the years I was there. I think some of it might be Suberites.
I also met two pretty girsl who were out of the O.F. David Fauss church Greater Bethel in Houston. They also had cut hair, makeup, etc. Is Fauss still UPC?
CC1,
Hate to tell you but there are some in the UPC today that don't teach that stuff. After this week, he might be more open to come back and many might want him back because of his vision and experience in that area.
I hope that we have the media division if they try to do this on a denominational level to get some consultation and expertise, maybe from the guys who do the Mormon/United Methodist Ads.
BTW - Kenneth Phillips will be 68 years old next Tuesday!!!! They will be celebrating his birthday next Wednesday night at church.
Steve and Becky Fender will be there. This past Wednesday night as he was announcing it KP said that Steve Fender is going to help preach his funeral and that this next Wednesday's birthday celebration is the warm up for that!
Hoovie
09-29-2007, 10:42 PM
Yeah but you are a backslidden Mennonite who makes a living by appearing on secular network prime time television programs!!!!!!
:hypercoffee
Here is what the real truth is....
I am a hard working chimney sweep that has less and less to lose by telling the inconvenient truth that some in the UPC will not confess.
BTW - Kenneth Phillips will be 68 years old next Tuesday!!!! They will be celebrating his birthday next Wednesday night at church.
Steve and Becky Fender will be there. This past Wednesday night as he was announcing it KP said that Steve Fender is going to help preach his funeral and that this next Wednesday's birthday celebration is the warm up for that!
steve and Becky fender???????????????????????????????????????????? ????
O MY MY O MY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
steve and Becky fender???????????????????????????????????????????? ????
O MY MY O MY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Were you expecting Anthony and Mickey?
BTW - Steve and Becky have built a new sanctuary in the last few years in SA next to their old one that is pretty impressive looking from the outside.
I would like to see the inside but never have time when I am in SA on business.
steve and Becky fender???????????????????????????????????????????? ????
O MY MY O MY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I haven't heard Becky sing in years. But she used to be every little pentecostal girls favorite singer to practice with!!!!! She was my favorite back then!
Were you expecting Anthony and Mickey?
BTW - Steve and Becky have built a new sanctuary in the last few years in SA next to their old one that is pretty impressive looking from the outside.
I would like to see the inside but never have time when I am in SA on business.
yes i know they recently built a new church. i think they recently had a conference too
anyhow, I am a little surprised- i guess i was under the impression that KP was still pretty traditional. whereas, the fenders are far far to the left of KP.
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