**Why I am going to vote for Hilary Clinton**

[Thad]

NO, It's not just because I am a Democrat!!! All political experts agree on one thing and that is, she will be the nominee for the Democrats no need to argue that point anymore.
The main reason is, It's Time for a shaking. It's time for the church to have to shake themselves from their sleep and reflect on how WE have let the world go to hell in a hand basket. I believe that Hilary's election will do just that.


your opinions please

[crakjak]

NO, It's not just because I am a Democrat!!! All political experts agree on one thing and that is, she will be the nominee for the Democrats no need to argue that point anmore.
The main reason is, It's Time for a shaking. It's time for the church to have to shake themselves from their sleep and reflect on how WE have let the world go to hell in a hand basket. I believe that Hilary's election will do just that.


your opinions please

The president of Iran believes he must nuke Israel to bring the great Islamic messiah.

So what your are saying is that you need to do an evil thing to help God accomplish His purpose?:killinme:killinme

[Thad]

I want to add, that our health care system is in a crisis. the republicans have done absolutley nothing about it. at least Hilary has a plan that's a little better than what's current.

she also has a good plan for national education - every child would get 5000 when they are born. this money would be invested and at the age of 18 it would go towards a college degree. even a republican commentator had to admit this was a good plan.

[Thad]

The president of Iran believes he must nuke Israel to bring the great Islamic messiah.

So what your are saying is that you need to do an evil thing to help God accomplish His purpose?:killinme:killinme


No ones talking about nuking and killing innocent civilians

[chaotic_resolve]

I want to add, that our health care system is in a crisis. the republicans have done absolutley nothing about it. at least Hilary has a plan that's a little better than what's current.

she also has a good plan for national education - every child would get 5000 when they are born. this money would be invested and at the age of 18 it would go towards a college degree. even a republican commentator had to admit this was a good plan.
Her health plan is a disaster. And this education plan is no better.

Where is she going to get this $5,000 for every child born? Is this just for US citizens, or are those born on soil to illegal immigrants included?

I think you would painfully regret voting for her, should you choose to do so.

[Neck]

NO, It's not just because I am a Democrat!!! All political experts agree on one thing and that is, she will be the nominee for the Democrats no need to argue that point anmore.
The main reason is, It's Time for a shaking. It's time for the church to have to shake themselves from their sleep and reflect on how WE have let the world go to hell in a hand basket. I believe that Hilary's election will do just that.


your opinions please

If you are a Democrat that is your first sin.

[lisafitzh2o]

NO, It's not just because I am a Democrat!!! All political experts agree on one thing and that is, she will be the nominee for the Democrats no need to argue that point anmore.
The main reason is, It's Time for a shaking. It's time for the church to have to shake themselves from their sleep and reflect on how WE have let the world go to hell in a hand basket. I believe that Hilary's election will do just that.


your opinions please

I have heard it said that Hillary will win because she will lead us into a one-world government, thus leading up to the rapture of the Church.

I don't know...I haven't really looked into it for myself.

[Thad]

Her health plan is a disaster. And this education plan is no better.

Where is she going to get this $5,000 for every child born? Is this just for US citizens, or are those born on soil to illegal immigrants included?

I think you would painfully regret voting for her, should you choose to do so.


They have Trillions for a war why not for the health and education of its citizens ???

[tamor]

I have heard it said that Hillary will win because she will lead us into a one-world government, thus leading up to the rapture of the Church.

I don't know...I haven't really looked into it for myself.

I've heard those same things, Lisa.

[Thad]

If you are a Democrat that is your first sin.


that's not the first time I've been told that it's a sin ! lol
one pastor in our state even got up in his pulpit and told his people that if they didn't vote for Bush they would be sinning. voting for Bush was voting for Righteousness Yet it was under the Bush administration that the first state in the union passed a law allowing Gay mariages.

[Thad]

I have heard it said that Hillary will win because she will lead us into a one-world government, thus leading up to the rapture of the Church.

I don't know...I haven't really looked into it for myself.


and not a bad thing !

[James Griffin]

No ones talking about niking and killing innocent civilians

Correct what is the point in giving them nikes and them just killing them?

[Thad]

Correct what is the point in giving them nikes and them just killing them?


ooops! a typo! doesn't happen often. sorry

[crakjak]

I want to add, that our health care system is in a crisis. the republicans have done absolutley nothing about it. at least Hilary has a plan that's a little better than what's current.

she also has a good plan for national education - every child would get 5000 when they are born. this money would be invested and at the age of 18 it would go towards a college degree. even a republican commentator had to admit this was a good plan.

Why would we trust the government with another trust? The SS system being a glaring example of their ability to take care of other folks money.

BTW Hillary may be the Demo candidate, but I don't believe she can win, she has too much baggage. Sorry, I can't imagine her being our president.

[ILG]

I want to add, that our health care system is in a crisis. the republicans have done absolutley nothing about it. at least Hilary has a plan that's a little better than what's current.

she also has a good plan for national education - every child would get 5000 when they are born. this money would be invested and at the age of 18 it would go towards a college degree. even a republican commentator had to admit this was a good plan.

National healthcare would be a horrible mistake. All it would do is make the rich get richer and the middle class and poor would subsidize a lot of ridiculous "health care".

[James Griffin]

that's not the first time I've been told that it's a sin ! lol
one pastor in our state even got up in his pulpit and told his people that if they didn't vote for Bush they would be sinning. voting for Bush was voting for Righteousness Yet it was under the Bush administration that the first state in the union passed a law allowing Gay mariages.

Would this possibly be a confusion of state and federal jurisdiction???

[James Griffin]

ooops! a typo! doesn't happen often. sorry

Jus teasin a pal :killinme:killinme

[Thad]

National healthcare would be a horrible mistake. All it would do is make the rich get richer and the middle class and poor would subsidize a lot of ridiculous "health care".


works quite well in Britan actually

what's a family of 4 to do in America ILG?? in CA. for many families it cost $1,000 a month just for health care. something has to be done

[Thad]

Would this possibly be a confusion of state and federal jurisdiction???



please clarify

I was referring to Massachusetts

[ILG]

works quite well in Britan actually

what's a family of 4 to do in America ILG?? in CA. for many families it cost $1,000 a month just for health care. something has to be done

My husband is scheduled for cancer surgery on Monday, Thad. We are a family of four. Yeah, it's a drag. My cousin from Canada who had national healthcare died of cancer because she couldn't get in to see a doctor for 6 months. My husband doesn't fit the sketch of a man with testicular cancer. I'm thankful that he can get in before he dies.

[Mr. Steinway]

I LOVE HILLARY!! I LOVE HER HEALTHCARE PLAN TOO!! :killinme:killinme:killinme

[rgcraig]

I pray your car doesn't start on voting day and your cell phone dies so you can't call a friend to pick you up to go vote!!!!!

[James Griffin]

please clarify

I was referring to Massachusetts

The federal government cannot legislate state laws.

[AtlantaBishop]

THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK - Just an admonition to move to a higher dimension - an admonishment to rethink and REPOSITION yourself!

I think living in California has warped your brain! Move to the GODLY deep South (REPOSITION YOURSELF) and you will change your mind and have a Godly & Righteous Anti-Clinton mentality. We don't vote for DEMONCRATS in Pentecost. I think I will have some posters mad with that on it! :hypercoffee

[Thad]

My husband is scheduled for cancer surgery on Monday, Thad. We are a family of four. Yeah, it's a drag. My cousin from Canada who had national healthcare died of cancer because she couldn't get in to see a doctor for 6 months. My husband doesn't fit the sketch of a man with testicular cancer. I'm thankful that he can get in before he dies.


I'm sorry to hear that ILG. I pray the very best for you.

remember, we are a rich nation compared to canada. a lot of americans are now ordering their prescriptions from canada because it's cheaper.

from what i hear, there are things that are better there and things that are better here as far as car, and I hear that Britain has the best of both

[Thad]

I LOVE HILLARY!! I LOVE HER HEALTHCARE PLAN TOO!! :killinme:killinme:killinme


really??? was this TIC or are you serious? if so, tell me why

[Thad]

I pray your car doesn't start on voting day and your cell phone dies so you can't call a friend to pick you up to go vote!!!!!


wow that sure is mean! that's not like you Renda

[rgcraig]

wow that sure is mean! that's not like you Renda

I was just trying to echo one of your posts where you tell everyone to have a bad day!!!! :killinme

Hillary is NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mr. Steinway]

really??? was this TIC or are you serious? if so, tell me why
Serious TIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ILG]

I'm sorry to hear that ILG. I pray the very best for you.

remember, we are a rich nation compared to canada. a lot of americans are now ordering their prescriptions from canada because it's cheaper.

from what i hear, there are things that are better there and things that are better here as far as car, and I hear that Britain has the best of both

Thanks for your prayers, Thad.

I'm not sure why prescriptions are supposedly cheaper ordering from Canada. It could be because the pharmaceuticals have such a racket going here. I think if we had national healthcare, the expense to the normal american might be cheaper for meds, but taxes would go up so high that more money would just go into the pockets of the big people. Taxes in Canada are REALLY high.

[James Griffin]

that's not the first time I've been told that it's a sin ! lol
one pastor in our state even got up in his pulpit and told his people that if they didn't vote for Bush they would be sinning. voting for Bush was voting for Righteousness Yet it was under the Bush administration that the first state in the union passed a law allowing Gay mariages.

I believe the state was Massachusetts a DEMORCRATIC stronghold as have been all of the "gay marriage states". Furthermore, Hillary Clinton has been labeled as the most pro-gay presidential candidate in history. So perhaps this is more than a one issue (health care) race?

[Thad]

THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK - Just an admonition to move to a higher dimension - an admonishment to rethink and REPOSITION yourself!

I think living in California has warped your brain! Move to the GODLY deep South (REPOSITION YOURSELF) and you will change your mind and have a Godly & Righteous Anti-Clinton mentality. We don't vote for DEMONCRATS in Pentecost. I think I will have some posters mad with that on it! :hypercoffee



PLease! you southerners have ALWAYS, historically been "Demoncrats"!!!

Bill is a lover of Pentecost UPC didn't you know that ?? He's slated to become "FIRST MAN" of America HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!!!!

Hey! we do have a Republican Governor you know!

[ILG]

I believe the state was Massachusetts a DEMORCRATIC stronghold as have been all of the "gay marriage states". Furthermore, Hillary Clinton has been labeled as the most pro-gay presidential candidate in history. So perhaps this is more than a one issue (health care) race?

She probably wishes she had married a woman instead of Bill. :killinme

[rgcraig]

PLease! you southerners have ALWAYS, historically been "Demoncrats"!!!

Bill is a lover of Pentecost UPC didn't you know that ?? He's slated to become "FIRST MAN" of America HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!!!!

Hey! we do have a Republican Governor you know!

Whoa, you are WAY off there....................rednecks are Republicans!!!!!

[Thad]

I believe the state was Massachusetts a DEMORCRATIC stronghold as have been all of the "gay marriage states". Furthermore, Hillary Clinton has been labeled as the most pro-gay presidential candidate in history. So perhaps this is more than a one issue (health care) race?


James my point is, voting for a Republican has really not made a difference morally in America. it still had waxed worse

BTW, speaking of mass., did you hear they now reading a fary tale about the 2 Princesses who fall in love to 1st graders ??

[Thad]

Whoa, you are WAY off there....................rednecks are Republicans!!!!!


again, they have historically been " Dixie-crats. I am right about this.

to be a republican in the south was like being a traitor

[rgcraig]

James my point is, voting for a Republican has really not made a difference morally in America. it still had waxed worse

BTW, speaking of mass., did you hear they now reading a fary tale about the 2 Princesses who fall in love to 1st graders ??

Hillary probably wrote the book and passed the policy to put it in the first grade! She really messed up the schools in Arkansas before they left there.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Let's see Thad-among-us, You are single. No family to support we know of. You have low or no rent. Most importantly, except from complications of that nose job, you are in excellent health.

Why would you want to jeopardize the freedom of our country for socialism simply for a health care plan that once before was said to fail, and that has failed in other countries? We had the Clintonistas in office and it was not successful by any means. You forget the TWENTY-FOUR percent unemployment and interest under the Democratic president prior to BC also!

The Fair Tax is a simpler solution. It takes government away from the citizens and allows everyone more of THEIR money to spend on items like health care. Or in your case airfares. :airplane

[rgcraig]

again, they have historically been " Dixie-crats. I am right about this.

to be a republican in the south was like being a traitor

I think you are very, very wrong!

Blacks in the south are Democrat, but that's a small percentage.

[James Griffin]

again, they have historically been " Dixie-crats. I am right about this.

to be a republican in the south was like being a traitor

slight correction to REGISTER republican was like being a traitor. Without the conservative democratic cross vote the republicans wouldn't have been elected

[Thad]

Thanks for your prayers, Thad.

I'm not sure why prescriptions are supposedly cheaper ordering from Canada. It could be because the pharmaceuticals have such a racket going here. I think if we had national healthcare, the expense to the normal american might be cheaper for meds, but taxes would go up so high that more money would just go into the pockets of the big people. Taxes in Canada are REALLY high.

now that's the truth!!!! again i say, if we can afford Trillions for a war , why not for the health of our people ?? taxes are already outrageous and we've had a republican in office for 7 years!

[Thad]

Let's see Thad-among-us, You are single. No family to support we know of. You have low or no rent. Most importantly, except from complications of that nose job, you are in excellent health.

Why would you want to jeopardize the freedom of our country for socialism simply for a health care plan that once before was said to fail, and that has failed in other countries? We had the Clintonistas in office and it was not successful by any means. You forget the TWENTY-FOUR percent unemployment and interest under the Democratic president prior to BC also!

The Fair Tax is a simpler solution. It takes government away from the citizens and allows everyone more of THEIR money to spend on items like health care. Or in your case airfares. :airplane



I knew I'd get ambushed for making my opinions on this public but didn't know I'd come under personal assult!!!!!

aggain i say, the main reason is, the church deserves hilary!

[James Griffin]

I knew I'd get ambushed for making my opinions on this public but didn't know I'd come under personal assult!!!!!

aggain i say, the main reason is, the church deserves hilary!

Even Bill doesn't deserve Hillary

[lisafitzh2o]

Even Bill doesn't deserve Hillary

I almost spit out my tea!!!! :killinme

[Thad]

Even Bill doesn't deserve Hillary



BILL CLINTON ! ! ! !


YOUR FUTURE " FIRST MAN " !!!

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

I knew I'd get ambushed for making my opinions on this public but didn't know I'd come under personal assult!!!!!

aggain i say, the main reason is, the church deserves hilary!

Ambushed, you did not even pay for the nosejob.

Now you want every working person to pay for a healthcare plan that is smoke and mirrors.

Let's take the billions saved by abolishing the IRS and let me us THAT towards premiums.

:2cents










**for those not on NFCF and FCF, we always kidded Thad that someone else paid for a nose job. I know Thad did not have a nose job. Thad is one I call my personal friend. He is not anything like his persona online except to ask many questions.

[Thad]

Ambushed, you did not even pay for the nosejob.

Now you want every working person to pay for a healthcare plan that is smoke and mirrors.

Let's take the billions saved by abolishing the IRS and let me us THAT towards premiums.

:2cents










**for those not on NFCF and FCF, we always kidded Thad that someone else paid for a nose job. I know Thad did not have a nose job. Thad is one I call my personal friend. He is not anything like his persona online except to ask many questions.


NO nose jobs!!! never had a nose job

I'd be fore abolishing the IRS! 100% for that !

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Thad,

Here is your new avatar

http://www.visionbuilder.us/forum/images/avatars/83820333546fd87922a2f3.jpg

[rgcraig]

Thad,

Here is your new avatar

http://www.visionbuilder.us/forum/images/avatars/83820333546fd87922a2f3.jpg

That's just downright scary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SDG]

I'd vote for Obama.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

NO nose jobs!!! never had a nose job

I'd be fore abolishing the IRS! 100% for that !

I have one serious question-

Will you even vote next year?

:telephone

[Thad]

Thad,

Here is your new avatar

http://www.visionbuilder.us/forum/images/avatars/83820333546fd87922a2f3.jpg



NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! NO NO NO NO !

[Thad]

I have one serious question-

Will you even vote next year?

:telephone



I always vote in the national election. I just missed the local & state elections last Year

[ILG]

now that's the truth!!!! again i say, if we can afford Trillions for a war , why not for the health of our people ?? taxes are already outrageous and we've had a republican in office for 7 years!

I think they would have a bigger racket with universal healthcare.

[vrblackwell]

I want to add, that our health care system is in a crisis. the republicans have done absolutely nothing about it. at least Hilary has a plan that's a little better than what's current.

she also has a good plan for national education - every child would get 5000 when they are born. this money would be invested and at the age of 18 it would go towards a college degree. even a republican commentator had to admit this was a good plan.

Thad, if you think that that HC socialistic health care plan is a good thing and that she is good to lead this country then you my friend are an idiot.:hypercoffee

[CC1]

NO, It's not just because I am a Democrat!!! All political experts agree on one thing and that is, she will be the nominee for the Democrats no need to argue that point anmore.
The main reason is, It's Time for a shaking. It's time for the church to have to shake themselves from their sleep and reflect on how WE have let the world go to hell in a hand basket. I believe that Hilary's election will do just that.


your opinions please

My opinion of your political astuteness is not printable on this forum.

[Thad]

Is is really fair that I'm getting attacked this way ???

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Is is really fair that I'm getting attacked this way ???

Did you expect anything less from post #1 on this issue.

Here is your poster child again.

http://www.visionbuilder.us/forum/images/avatars/83820333546fd87922a2f3.jpg

[Thad]

Did you expect anything less from post #1 on this issue.

Here is your poster child again.

http://www.visionbuilder.us/forum/images/avatars/83820333546fd87922a2f3.jpg


it's just a thought and i did expound more in other proceeding post

[MissBrattified]

Thad, get that thought out of your head. You have a moral and civil obligation to vote for the person you truly believe is the best candidate...NOT try to bring Armageddon crashing down on our collective heads. (Or socialized healthcare...not sure which is worse.)

[Thad]

Thad, get that thought out of your head. You have a moral and civil obligation to vote for the person you truly believe is the best candidate...NOT try to bring Armageddon crashing down on our collective heads. (Or socialized healthcare...not sure which is worse.)


just expressing some free thought- isn't that what this forum allows for ?


So, you tell me, what should be done about the healthcare system? is it not in shambles ? what have the republicans done ? what's their plan? do they care about the middle class ?

[MissBrattified]

Thanks for your prayers, Thad.

I'm not sure why prescriptions are supposedly cheaper ordering from Canada. It could be because the pharmaceuticals have such a racket going here. I think if we had national healthcare, the expense to the normal american might be cheaper for meds, but taxes would go up so high that more money would just go into the pockets of the big people. Taxes in Canada are REALLY high.

Jeffrey went to the doc yesterday, and is fighting another bout of pneumonia...we don't have insurance, so obviously everything has to be paid up front. His meds were out of SIGHT. Ugh. I about fell over when the pharmacist gave me the total for his antibiotics, steroids and albuterol. Nevertheless, I'd rather pay up front a couple of times a year then have to pay taxes out the nose all year long.

It is a problem, though...we have the money to pay for our own basic healthcare, barring some kind of extended hospitalization, but not everyone does. Insurance policies are pretty much a joke, since by the time we pay the deductibles and fees, we could've already paid for it all ourselves anyway. Hospitalization is the only worrisome thing.

I think this is a huge problem, because the PRICES of pharmaceuticals and medical treatments have gone up SO MUCH that the average person can't pay for it on their own. On the other hand, I don't like the idea of everyone paying for everyone else's health care and taxes being sky high.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

I think this is a huge problem, because the PRICES of pharmaceuticals and medical treatments have gone up SO MUCH that the average person can't pay for it on their own. On the other hand, I don't like the idea of everyone paying for everyone else's health care and taxes being sky high.

Abuse of the medical system is rampant also. When my wife was in ICU they offered her eye drops. If I recall that 05 cc of eyedrops was $88. The total was over $85000 for 10 days stay. After insurances it was down to $24000.

Insurance companies as well did not expect $20 million dollar expenses for AIDS patients who live for many years. My insurance is high deductible and has a $5 million cap.

I know of a lady who had $1 mill in payout and her co-pay is now $900 per month. Painful to her but at least she is not paying $3000-$10000 for treatments (cancer).

[MissBrattified]

just expressing some free thought- isn't that what this forum allows for ?


So, you tell me, what should be done about the healthcare system? is it not in shambles ? what have the republicans done ? what's their plan? do they care about the middle class ?

I think the first thing that ought to be done, is for there to be a lower ceiling on the prices of drugs and treatments. Have you ever looked at your EOB's? I've seen charges on there to the ins. co. such as: Bandage - $20 or Saline Solution $75 (similar). My son was in the hospital for 28 days after his birth, and the cost was an average of $2200.00/day. And that's not including the separate charges from his pediatrician, respiratory care specialist, radiology, neonatologist, etc etc. That is our self-pay total! Can you imagine how much an ins. co. would've been billed? Probably triple that.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

MissB have you checked to see if there are programs from medicine companies to help with the steroids and albuterol?

They have a program here in California to give discounts and coupons.

[MissBrattified]

MissB have you checked to see if there are programs from medicine companies to help with the steroids and albuterol?

They have a program here in California to give discounts and coupons.

Hmmmm...good idea; I'll have to check into that. Jeffrey doesn't have consistent asthmatic symptoms, just usually onset from illness. (Like allergies, or a cold.) So we only have to buy this stuff a couple of times a year, and I keep a small stash of albuterol at home for emergencies. However, I don't remember it costing so much last year. :shifty

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Hmmmm...good idea; I'll have to check into that. Jeffrey doesn't have consistent asthmatic symptoms, just usually onset from illness. (Like allergies, or a cold.) So we only have to buy this stuff a couple of times a year, and I keep a small stash of albuterol at home for emergencies. However, I don't remember it costing so much last year. :shifty

WalMart said the $4 script program was expanded to be over 300 drugs and 25% of their business is this $4 plan. If only they did mail order since the closest WM pharmacy to me is 2.5 hrs away.

WAL–MART/SAM'S CLUB $4 Prescription Drug Program
Asthma Medications
List Effective September 27, 2007
Applies to up to a 30 day supply at commonly prescribed dosages.
DRUG NAME AND DOSAGE QUANTITY
ALBUTEROL 0.5% NEBULIZER SOLN 20ML
New ALBUTEROL .083% NEB SOLUTION 75*
ALBUTEROL 2MG TABLET 90
ALBUTEROL 4MG TABLET 60
ALBUTEROL 2MG/5ML SYRUP 120ML
New IPRATROPIUM NEB SOLUTION 75*
* The $4 Prescription program is subject to the following restrictions.

This program is available at all Wal-Mart, Sam's Club and Neighborhood Market pharmacies, except in North Dakota (the pharmacies inside North Dakota Wal-Mart stores are leased and operated by third-party providers). $4 prescriptions are for up to a 30-day supply of a covered drug at a commonly prescribed dosage. Your participation in certain prescription-drug plans may entitle you to pay even less than $4 for certain prescriptions. If you are eligible, you will be charged the lowest applicable amount. Certain drugs are priced higher in CA, CO, HI, MN, MT, PA, TN, WI, and WY due to state laws.

The list of covered drugs is subject to change. Not all prescription drugs are covered by this program.

Only prescriptions initially filled in person at a participating pharmacy are eligible for the $4 rate; refills must also be picked up in-store, but may be ordered in person, online or by phone. This program is not available for prescriptions filled by mail order. See your Wal-Mart pharmacist for more information.

[tamor]

Even Bill doesn't deserve Hillary

:killinme:killinme:killinme

[tamor]

Did you expect anything less from post #1 on this issue.

Here is your poster child again.

http://www.visionbuilder.us/forum/images/avatars/83820333546fd87922a2f3.jpg

Quit bumping that freaky picture. It's hideous!! :sos:sos:sos

[lisafitzh2o]

Quit bumping that freaky picture. It's hideous!! :sos:sos:sos

:begging Agreeing with Tamor.

I'm gonna have NIGHTMARES!

[tv1a]

limit malpractive suits will go a long way in reducing health care costs.just expressing some free thought- isn't that what this forum allows for ?


So, you tell me, what should be done about the healthcare system? is it not in shambles ? what have the republicans done ? what's their plan? do they care about the middle class ?

[ReformedDave]

just expressing some free thought- isn't that what this forum allows for ?


So, you tell me, what should be done about the healthcare system? is it not in shambles ? what have the republicans done ? what's their plan? do they care about the middle class ?

You can vote for someone who is pro-death?

The main problem with healthcare is the government. There is virtually no difference between the donkeys and the elephants. Only degrees.

[ILG]

Hmmmm...good idea; I'll have to check into that. Jeffrey doesn't have consistent asthmatic symptoms, just usually onset from illness. (Like allergies, or a cold.) So we only have to buy this stuff a couple of times a year, and I keep a small stash of albuterol at home for emergencies. However, I don't remember it costing so much last year. :shifty

I wonder if some over the counter Primatene Mist would work for him?

[ILG]

Jeffrey went to the doc yesterday, and is fighting another bout of pneumonia...we don't have insurance, so obviously everything has to be paid up front. His meds were out of SIGHT. Ugh. I about fell over when the pharmacist gave me the total for his antibiotics, steroids and albuterol. Nevertheless, I'd rather pay up front a couple of times a year then have to pay taxes out the nose all year long.

It is a problem, though...we have the money to pay for our own basic healthcare, barring some kind of extended hospitalization, but not everyone does. Insurance policies are pretty much a joke, since by the time we pay the deductibles and fees, we could've already paid for it all ourselves anyway. Hospitalization is the only worrisome thing.

I think this is a huge problem, because the PRICES of pharmaceuticals and medical treatments have gone up SO MUCH that the average person can't pay for it on their own. On the other hand, I don't like the idea of everyone paying for everyone else's health care and taxes being sky high.

I'm not sure what all the answers are. Hopefully we'll pull through this surgery with the insurance we have. If not, we may end up declaring bankrupcy. I hope not.

Anyway, you might try getting some catastrophic insurance for emergencies.

[James Griffin]

limit malpractive suits will go a long way in reducing health care costs.

Malpractice suits were limited and yet the insurance companies pushing for it did NOT lower their rates, go figure.

[Brett Prince]

I want to add, that our health care system is in a crisis. the republicans have done absolutley nothing about it. at least Hilary has a plan that's a little better than what's current.

she also has a good plan for national education - every child would get 5000 when they are born. this money would be invested and at the age of 18 it would go towards a college degree. even a republican commentator had to admit this was a good plan.

Romney has a tried and proven plan. His plan is FAR better than Hillaryous'.

Not going to point fingers at others, but I couldn't feel like a Christians/saved if I voted for Hillary or anyone of her ilk.

[Thad]

You can vote for someone who is pro-death?

The main problem with healthcare is the government. There is virtually no difference between the donkeys and the elephants. Only degrees.


has Roe Vs Wade been overturned ??? the abortion mills are still going strong and guess what Dave, A Repub is still in office.

[Thad]

Romney has a tried and proven plan. His plan is FAR better than Hillaryous'.

Not going to point fingers at others, but I couldn't feel like a Christians/saved if I voted for Hillary or anyone of her ilk.


but Romney will just make the right and us christians go back to our comfort zones

[Ferd]

Thad is now on my bad list.

[Thad]

Thad is now on my bad list.



i am uh? i figured you'd get around to addressing this sooner or later.


sigh! well, FERD, I promise not to put you on ANY bad list just because of a political vote

[Neck]

that's not the first time I've been told that it's a sin ! lol
one pastor in our state even got up in his pulpit and told his people that if they didn't vote for Bush they would be sinning. voting for Bush was voting for Righteousness Yet it was under the Bush administration that the first state in the union passed a law allowing Gay mariages.

It's only a sin in my thinking. I have no scripture that tells us it is a sin. I know both parties are very shady at best...lol

[ReformedDave]

has Roe Vs Wade been overturned ??? the abortion mills are still going strong and guess what Dave, A Repub is still in office.

Thad you cease to think. Row v Wade was a supreme court decision. While I'm no fan of GWB at least he against killing babies where Hillary is not. You don't or can't understand about worldview concerns. Read Schaeffer sometime.......(a novel experience for a music type)

[Thad]

Thad you cease to think. Row v Wade was a supreme court decision. While I'm no fan of GWB at least he against killing babies where Hillary is not. You don't or can't understand about worldview concerns. Read Schaeffer sometime.......(a novel experience for a music type)


Ronald, Richard, Bush sr & Bush Jr have all been in office since Roe Vs wade and nothing's been done. I don't think a presidental election is going to have anything to do with it.

I think the heart of the nation has to chnage back to God before that one is ever overturned

[CC1]

Ronald, Richard, Bush sr & Bush Jr have all been in office since Roe Vs wade and nothing's been down. I don't think a presidental election is going to have anything to do with it.

I think the heart of the nation has to chnage back to God before that one is ever overturned

I agree. A President is not a dictator who can just strike down laws. However Republican Presidents have appointed conservative judges who do oppose Roe V. Wade like Justice Thomas and the two guys GWB has appointed to the Supreme Court seem promising. Chief Justice John Roberts is particularly wonderful as a brilliant conservative moving the court to the right.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

CC1, I for one don't think the Republicans can win in 2008. They won't hit hard enough to shut liars like The poodle and algore up. They have not done much to fulfill the mandate given to them 7 yrs ago, and the question for next year will be.

"Are you better off than you were 7 years ago?" Many who will lose their jobs in the next 6 months as failed programs come to a halt will either not go vote of vote NO they are not better off.

[Thad]

the only Republican who even has a chance down below is mayor Jullioni (sp)

[Hoovie]

NO, It's not just because I am a Democrat!!! All political experts agree on one thing and that is, she will be the nominee for the Democrats no need to argue that point anymore.
The main reason is, It's Time for a shaking. It's time for the church to have to shake themselves from their sleep and reflect on how WE have let the world go to hell in a hand basket. I believe that Hilary's election will do just that.


your opinions please

This is just stupid thinking IMHO!!

[James Griffin]

I agree. A President is not a dictator who can just strike down laws. However Republican Presidents have appointed conservative judges who do oppose Roe V. Wade like Justice Thomas and the two guys GWB has appointed to the Supreme Court seem promising. Chief Justice John Roberts is particularly wonderful as a brilliant conservative moving the court to the right.

which is a valid point with a liberal dem in office we cannot get the last Supreme necessary

[lad]

Thad you cease to think. Row v Wade was a supreme court decision. While I'm no fan of GWB at least he against killing babies where Hillary is not. You don't or can't understand about worldview concerns. Read Schaeffer sometime.......(a novel experience for a music type)

I love to read anything by Francis Schaeffer and his children.... He also has a great educational- historical DVD set out based on his book "How Should We Then Live?". We are going through it with our children -- he is absolutely brilliant.

Our pentecostal generation has heard little in the way of having a Biblical "world view" ..... we could use a litttle "light" in this area!

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

the only Republican who even has a chance down below is mayor Jullioni (sp)


Tell that to the THIRTY THOUSAND recently suddenly unemployed when the housing bubble burst. These were clerks, processors and office personnel. WalMart and Target will help during the holidays but in February $3.25 gas will hurt again.

Thank God I have a great boss and we made money the last 3 yrs I have been there!

[lad]

NO, It's not just because I am a Democrat!!! All political experts agree on one thing and that is, she will be the nominee for the Democrats no need to argue that point anymore.
The main reason is, It's Time for a shaking. It's time for the church to have to shake themselves from their sleep and reflect on how WE have let the world go to hell in a hand basket. I believe that Hilary's election will do just that.


your opinions please

I agree it's time for a shaking ---- that is - a spiritual shaking!!!

But WHAT ARE YOU THINKING!?!?!?

NOT HILLARY CLINTON - you ARE trying to help usher in the spirit of the anti-christ!!!

She offends by feminine sensibilities!!!!! She thinks that we are all dumb morons that can't think for ourselves, so she has to think and make decisions for us!!!

If there is going to be a "first women" president it should be Condaleeza!!!

You're Crazy!!!

[CC1]

Tell that to the THIRTY THOUSAND recently suddenly unemployed when the housing bubble burst. These were clerks, processors and office personnel. WalMart and Target will help during the holidays but in February $3.25 gas will hurt again.

Thank God I have a great boss and we made money the last 3 yrs I have been there!

The unemployment rate is still lower than it has been in years and lower than the national average for decades.

In fact unemployment claims went down last month.

People are constantly trying to "talk down" the economy. The Dems whined about the lack of jobs when GWB was up for reelection in 04 and then when they did occur they whined that they were not good enough jobs. Apparently unless a job has someone making neurosurgeon money the Dems don't think it is a job.

No doubt the sub prime mortgage collapse has affected housing which affects jobs but so far the economy has been very resiliant.

[Thad]

I agree it's time for a shaking ---- that is - a spiritual shaking!!!

But WHAT ARE YOU THINKING!?!?!?

NOT HILLARY CLINTON - you ARE trying to help usher in the spirit of the anti-christ!!!

She offends by feminine sensibilities!!!!! She thinks that we are all dumb morons that can't think for ourselves, so she has to think and make decisions for us!!!

If there is going to be a "first women" president it should be Condaleeza!!!

You're Crazy!!!


WOW that was Rough Talk! i guess we no longer should allow Free speech, freedom of press, freedom to vote for whomever we choose without hell fire and Brimestones pelted at us. I've been called everything but a child of God tonight !

[Pastor Keith]

NO, It's not just because I am a Democrat!!! All political experts agree on one thing and that is, she will be the nominee for the Democrats no need to argue that point anymore.
The main reason is, It's Time for a shaking. It's time for the church to have to shake themselves from their sleep and reflect on how WE have let the world go to hell in a hand basket. I believe that Hilary's election will do just that.


your opinions please

You know the pastor up north of me will declare that you will go to hell if you vote for her. I will pray for your soul!

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

No doubt the sub prime mortgage collapse has affected housing which affects jobs but so far the economy has been very resiliant.

It has a marked affect in my area.

It will be a rough winter for many here.

[Thad]

You know the pastor up north of me will declare that you will go to hell if you vote for her. I will pray for your soul!


O yea i know- didnt he tell his church that they would be sinning if the voted democrat ?? lol lol

[lad]

WOW that was Rough Talk! i guess we no longer should allow Free speech, freedom of press, freedom to vote for whomever we choose without hell fire and Brimestones pelted at us. I've been called everything but a child of God tonight !

No -- your right we should allow free speech and freedom of press ---

That's why I said what I SAID!!!

... as for freedom to vote for whomever we choose -- VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE MAN!!! :):crazy:crazy

[Thad]

No -- your right we should allow free speech and freedom of press ---

That's why I said what I SAID!!!

... as for freedom to vote for whomever we choose -- VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE MAN!!! :):crazy:crazy



I"LL PRAY ABOUT IT !!! :driving

[Michael Phelps]

NO, It's not just because I am a Democrat!!! All political experts agree on one thing and that is, she will be the nominee for the Democrats no need to argue that point anymore.
The main reason is, It's Time for a shaking. It's time for the church to have to shake themselves from their sleep and reflect on how WE have let the world go to hell in a hand basket. I believe that Hilary's election will do just that.


your opinions please

Absolutely brilliant. In a moronic kind of way.

[ReformedDave]

Ronald, Richard, Bush sr & Bush Jr have all been in office since Roe Vs wade and nothing's been done. I don't think a presidental election is going to have anything to do with it.

I think the heart of the nation has to chnage back to God before that one is ever overturned

But someone who is pro-death will not help either. At least partial-birth is being done away with. At least GWB appointed 2 conservative supreme justices......

Hillary is a socialist that has more than 'green' leanings and an humanistic worldview. For her, salvation is the government. In fact, for many here salvation is the government.

[RevDWW]

ooops! a typo! doesn't happen often. sorry

See what happens when you start endorsing Democrates, you start telling untruths like they do......:killinme :killinme :killinme :killinme :killinme

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

I"LL PRAY ABOUT IT !!! :driving

We will all pray your sleep is disturbed and that God speaks to your heart on what is right!

:sshhh

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

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[BrotherEastman]

Vote for Michael Savage.

[mfblume]

Is not voting for Hillary in hopes of shaking the church sort of like raising red heifers so the end of the world can come?