Tithes........

[Drama Queen]

Let me start off my saying that I am 100% for paying tithes... (don't really care what the Pastor does with them after I've done my part.) I believe that the tithes should be the first thing paid! You pay tithes before your bills. <-JMHO


OK.... I was always taught that you tithe on your INCREASE. So you tithe on the money you bring home. But what about when you sale your home? Do you tithe on that money?

If you are rolling all the money you are getting from the sale of your home into a new home, are you to tithe on that money before you use it as a down payment? I was raised that you would not tithe on it because you are putting that money into another home. If you were putting that money into your pocket.... then you should tithe on it.


So...... I'm asking you spiritual folks what you would do. I'd really like to know.

:2cents

[Sherri]

That's a tough one. I do believe that you are to tithe on any increase, so I guess that means on the sale of a house too. I hadn't really thought of it before.

[IAintMovin]

That's a tough one. I do believe that you are to tithe on any increase, so I guess that means on the sale of a house too. I hadn't really thought of it before.I tithe on increase.....to me this is increase.....guess it is how you want your blessing......but you already knew this didnt ya??

[Scott Hutchinson]

Give as giving unto the Lord,give what thou has purposed to give,give as thou has been prospered to give it's between you and God.

[Steve Epley]

I will pm my address.:bliss :bliss Keep those cards and letters coming.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I'll pm yall my address it's for a worthy cause I'm worthy and my wife is the cause.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

If you owned a Ford Dealership, and you had a brand new F-250 crew cab Diesel for sale for $65,000- would you tithe $6,500? Of course not, you would base your Tithe on the $2000 profit you made.

Now if you have a $350,000 house mortgaged to the hilt to have paid for the above truck, you would then see a net after sale of not $350,000. I have seen Sales Final Account and it is amazing how much Title eats of the proceeds with those $20 and $25 fees!

If the proceed is a 1033 Exchange, you have a net profit of Zero. Make that check for Zero Dollars and 00/100 cents.

[LaVonne]

Let me start off my saying that I am 100% for paying tithes... (don't really care what the Pastor does with them after I've done my part.) I believe that the tithes should be the first thing paid! You pay tithes before your bills. <-JMHO


OK.... I was always taught that you tithe on your INCREASE. So you tithe on the money you bring home. But what about when you sale your home? Do you tithe on that money?

If you are rolling all the money you are getting from the sale of your home into a new home, are you to tithe on that money before you use it as a down payment? I was raised that you would not tithe on it because you are putting that money into another home. If you were putting that money into your pocket.... then you should tithe on it.


So...... I'm asking you spiritual folks what you would do. I'd really like to know.

:2cents

(Not sure if I'm considered spiritual folk) Well, this is thought provoking. We've sold two homes so far and have had an increase both times...however, it was all put toward the purchase of another home. I'm sure curious what others have done...although I've never heard of anyone tithing on the capital gains of the sale of their home. Also, we do give tithes on my husbands gross income, not the net.

[Neck]

Let me start off my saying that I am 100% for paying tithes... (don't really care what the Pastor does with them after I've done my part.) I believe that the tithes should be the first thing paid! You pay tithes before your bills. <-JMHO


OK.... I was always taught that you tithe on your INCREASE. So you tithe on the money you bring home. But what about when you sale your home? Do you tithe on that money?

If you are rolling all the money you are getting from the sale of your home into a new home, are you to tithe on that money before you use it as a down payment? I was raised that you would not tithe on it because you are putting that money into another home. If you were putting that money into your pocket.... then you should tithe on it.


So...... I'm asking you spiritual folks what you would do. I'd really like to know.

:2cents

When you refinance your home and find out it is worth more should we pay a tithe on the increase? No you pay the Tithe when the increase is paid out.

Otherwise go through your home.

I have memorabilia that grows in worth everyday.

Do I pay the increase on the items as they increase? No.

What if over time your new home drops in value, which happens all over this country.

I would say no do not pay a tithe on the money you move to a new home.

Do we pay tithe on our 401K statement at the end of each year? No.

Why because it is not being liquidated.

It could drop in value like Enron did a few years ago.

Do you pay tithe on an annuity that you know grows each year after the initial deposit? No because you have not liguidated it.

Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's and unto God what is God's.

In this case of your home sale and buying of a new home.

The IRS does not require you to pay Captial gains at the time of this transfer.

Nathan Eckstadt

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

(Not sure if I'm considered spiritual folk) Well, this is thought provoking. We've sold two homes so far and have had an increase both times...however, it was all put toward the purchase of another home. I'm sure curious what others have done...although I've never heard of anyone tithing on the capital gains of the sale of their home. Also, we do give tithes on my husbands gross income, not the net.

Did the increase go into your Bank of Carey Checking Account?

Or did you roll the net $175,000 to change your $350,000 mortgage to then be $175,000?

[LaVonne]

Did the increase go into your Bank of Carey Checking Account?

Or did you roll the net $175,000 to change your $350,000 mortgage to then be $175,000?

No, none of the money has ever come back to us...just rolled over into another mortage as downpayment. Is that what you're asking?

[Steve Epley]

THANKS is an acronym:
T tithes pay your tithes
H hell is where you go if you do not pay your tithes
A always pay your tithes
N never forget to pay your tithes
K keep on paying your tithes
S saved folks pay tithes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!


THANKS finally revealed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:bliss :bliss :bliss :bliss :bliss :bliss

[Praxeas]

Let me start off my saying that I am 100% for paying tithes... (don't really care what the Pastor does with them after I've done my part.) I believe that the tithes should be the first thing paid! You pay tithes before your bills. <-JMHO


OK.... I was always taught that you tithe on your INCREASE. So you tithe on the money you bring home. But what about when you sale your home? Do you tithe on that money?

If you are rolling all the money you are getting from the sale of your home into a new home, are you to tithe on that money before you use it as a down payment? I was raised that you would not tithe on it because you are putting that money into another home. If you were putting that money into your pocket.... then you should tithe on it.


So...... I'm asking you spiritual folks what you would do. I'd really like to know.

:2cents
You would tithe the profit. Not what you put into it

[Neck]

I tithe on increase.....to me this is increase.....guess it is how you want your blessing......but you already knew this didnt ya??




Then let's get our homes appraised every year. SO the Church can get 10% of the increase. She would pay the tithe on the increase when the money is liquidated after she sells her final home.

Do you have your possession's appraised each year?

If not why?

Should church members pay a tithe on their 401k or an IRA that they can't touch?

I see my pention going up each year at work.

I can't touch it for 20 more years. But it is increasing?

Do you pay a tithe on the free loaf of bread at the Grocery store?

Is that the next step.

Let's evaluate our networth each year and pay a tithe.

Can she go back to the church 5 years from now when she sells her new home and takes a loss, because markets crashed?

[IAintMovin]

Then let's get our homes appraised every year. SO the Church can get 10% of the increase. She would pay the tithe on the increase when the money is liquidated after she sells her final home.

Do you have your possession's appraised each year?

If not why?

Should church members pay a tithe on their 401k or an IRA that they can't touch?

I see my pention going up each year at work.

I can't touch it for 20 more years. But it is increasing?

Do you pay a tithe on the free loaf of bread at the Grocery store?

Is that the next step.

Let's evaluate our networth each year and pay a tithe.

Can she go back to the church 5 years from now when she sells her new home and takes a loss, because markets crashed?OK Neck even though I realize that this is a public forum, my response was to DQ and NLYP since we have already discussed this over the phone.....well NLYP and I did anyway.....it was TIC to them....dont go and try to make a doctrine out of my reply, ..... guess I should have qualified my response....

[Praxeas]

Then let's get our homes appraised every year. SO the Church can get 10% of the increase. She would pay the tithe on the increase when the money is liquidated after she sells her final home.


It's not increase until you sell it. It's your profit margin from the sale of any goods. Someone that owns a business and makes sales does the same

[Steve Epley]

I heard a guy preach pay tithes on what you want to make????

[IAintMovin]

I heard do you want a Net blessing or a Gross blessing... LOL.......

[Praxeas]

Then let's get our homes appraised every year. SO the Church can get 10% of the increase. She would pay the tithe on the increase when the money is liquidated after she sells her final home.

Do you have your possession's appraised each year?

If not why?

Should church members pay a tithe on their 401k or an IRA that they can't touch?

I see my pention going up each year at work.

I can't touch it for 20 more years. But it is increasing?

Do you pay a tithe on the free loaf of bread at the Grocery store?

Is that the next step.

Let's evaluate our networth each year and pay a tithe.

Can she go back to the church 5 years from now when she sells her new home and takes a loss, because markets crashed?

BTW if you tithe on the money you put into those investments then you don't have to tithe on it again. However you may give a percentage to equal how much it has increased in interest. Im not sure how this would be done....

[LaVonne]

I heard do you want a Net blessing or a Gross blessing... LOL.......

:heeheehee

[IAintMovin]

This is all silly to me.... everything that I have belongs to HIM.... the wife and I are in the process of making a decision to sell our home to free up money to use to build a new building and purchase the land needed to build it on here......no problem... He gave it to me, it is His........do I want to have to make this change - no - but if it takes it to make the Kingdom Move Forward.....I dont even have to really think about it twice.....EVERYTHING I have belongs to Him anyway......what is the deal??????????

[Steve Epley]

THANKS is an acronym:
T tithes pay your tithes
H hell is where you go if you do not pay your tithes
A always pay your tithes
N never forget to pay your tithes
K keep on paying your tithes
S saved folks pay tithes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!


THANKS finally revealed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:bliss :bliss :bliss :bliss :bliss :bliss

BUMP:highfive :highfive :highfive

[Drama Queen]

I tithe on increase.....to me this is increase.....guess it is how you want your blessing......but you already knew this didnt ya??



Not really sure what that's about.

I'm asking cause I don't wanna be in the wrong. If I have been doing something that's not right by God's standards, I wanna know so that I can from this point on, do right.

[LaVonne]

Not really sure what that's about.

I'm asking cause I don't wanna be in the wrong. If I have been doing something that's not right by God's standards, I wanna know so that I can from this point on, do right.

I think it's a good and valid question!

I'm not so sure a person needs to give tithes on capital gains from the sale of a home unless they do not plan to reinvest the whole amount into another home. It's not as if you are getting a check for this money...

[Drama Queen]

I think it's a good and valid question!

I'm not so sure a person needs to give tithes on capital gains from the sale of a home unless they do not plan to reinvest the whole amount into another home. It's not as if you are getting a check for this money...

That is how I was taught. And IAM is right... it DOES all belong to God... and I will give freely and with a good spirit if He ask of me.

This will be our 4th home to sell. Just wanna be doing what's right.

[LaVonne]

That is how I was taught. And IAM is right... it DOES all belong to God... and I will give freely and with a good spirit if He ask of me.

This will be our 4th home to sell. Just wanna be doing what's right.

I feel the same way! We've never witheld what is God's. I've never heard any teaching/preaching on this either.

[joyful]

I think this is a good question too! JMO - I don't personally think it is necessary if you are rolling the money into another mortgage. I also don't think that having a capital gain necessarily means you had an "increase" for the purpose of tithing.

Example - You bought a house for 100,000 and paid mortgage payments of 1,000 per month and then sold it after 5 years for 150,000.

Technically, you could say you had a capital gain of $50,000. However, you put $60,000 into the house in mortgage payments over the five years, so did you really have an increase for the purpose of tithing? I personally don't think so. However, I also think that conviction is important and listening to the voice of God in one's own personal situation is the most vital thing.

[LaGirl]

I heard a guy preach pay tithes on what you want to make????

i have heard that also!

[LaVonne]

i have heard that also!

What do you think about tithing on the capital gains of your home? Did Bro. Barnes ever have anything to say on the subject?

[LaGirl]

What do you think about tithing on the capital gains of your home? Did Bro. Barnes ever have anything to say on the subject?

i have NEVER heard Bro Barnes say to pay thithes on capital gains of your home.

i need to ask my husband what we did when we sold our house. i cant remember. i know we used the money as a down payment to another home.

[LaGirl]

just talked to my hubby......we did not pay tithes on what we made from the sale of our house. we used that money as a down payment.

[Praxeas]

What if I sell some stocks and then use the money to buy more stocks? Do I tithe?

[Drama Queen]

What do you think about tithing on the capital gains of your home? Did Bro. Barnes ever have anything to say on the subject?

I've heard preachers preach on paying tithes (haven’t we all). :heeheehee But I don't ever remember them giving detailed direction on what and when. To y'all preachers.... some examples would be nice. I also like diagrams... (I'm kinda simple-minded.):tease

[LaGirl]

What if I sell some stocks and then use the money to buy more stocks? Do I tithe?

we dont

[rrford]

I think this is a good question too! JMO - I don't personally think it is necessary if you are rolling the money into another mortgage. I also don't think that having a capital gain necessarily means you had an "increase" for the purpose of tithing.

Example - You bought a house for 100,000 and paid mortgage payments of 1,000 per month and then sold it after 5 years for 150,000.

Technically, you could say you had a capital gain of $50,000. However, you put $60,000 into the house in mortgage payments over the five years, so did you really have an increase for the purpose of tithing? I personally don't think so. However, I also think that conviction is important and listening to the voice of God in one's own personal situation is the most vital thing.


Great post. Says it as I see it. The increase is only what you receive above and beyond what you have paid.

Not sure rolling it into another mortgage w/o tithing on it is wrong either. Personally, I would tithe on it and roll the remainder. JMO.

[LaVonne]

just talked to my hubby......we did not pay tithes on what we made from the sale of our house. we used that money as a down payment.

Same here...I've just never heard of it!

[LaGirl]

Same here...I've just never heard of it!

i havent either. :dunno

[LaGirl]

the VERY first check written out is the tithing check. we believe in paying tithes first. they may stay in my purse for a few weeks because i forget about them...but they are written out first! lol

[LaVonne]

What if I sell some stocks and then use the money to buy more stocks? Do I tithe?

We just had some cd's mature, and we put them right back into another cd...we did not tithe on the interest. If and when we take the money out we will tithe on the increase.

[LaGirl]

We just had some cd's mature, and we put them right back into another cd...we did not tithe on the interest. If and when we take the money out we will tithe on the increase.

right....same here

[LaVonne]

the VERY first check written out is the tithing check. we believe in paying tithes first. they may stay in my purse for a few weeks because i forget about them...but they are written out first! lol

Same here...tithes before anything else!

[rrford]

What if I sell some stocks and then use the money to buy more stocks? Do I tithe?

Creates some problems. If your re-investment loses money then you have never tithed the increase you did have. Not sure how God views that. Seems like this is the same as "sheltering" income from the IRS.


It also is akin to tithing on ent income after you have paid all of your living expenses and obligations and saying this was your only real "increase."

[stmatthew]

As far as I know, the bible only speaks of tithing on increase. Capitol GAINS says what it is. It is a gain of monies from the sale of your home, and it is taxable if you do not put it into another home within a certain amount of time.A good rule of thumb is, if the IRS will tax it, then it probably should be tithed.

I would probably pay the tithe on the gain, and know I am giving God his due.

[LaGirl]

my husband does some trading online. if he makes some money doing that (we call it play money) and actually cashes it out for us to "play" with, we pay tithes on it.

[Drama Queen]

the VERY first check written out is the tithing check. we believe in paying tithes first.

Same here!!!

I remember as a kid if someone gave me a dollar my parents had me pay ten cents in tithes. :sad :heeheehee

[LaGirl]

Same here!!!

I remember as a kid if someone gave me a dollar my parents had me pay ten cents in tithes. :sad :heeheehee

I KNOW!!!! lol

[LaVonne]

Same here!!!

I remember as a kid if someone gave me a dollar my parents had me pay ten cents in tithes. :sad :heeheehee

Yep...we have our kids do the same!

[LaVonne]

Drama Queen,
Have you asked your pastor about this? I would be curious to know what he thinks.

[The Swordsman]

Deuteronomy 14

22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. 23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always. 24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: 25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: 26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, 27 And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee. 28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: 29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

[LaGirl]

Drama Queen,
Have you asked your pastor about this? I would be curious to know what he thinks.

me too

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Do you PAY Tithe or GIVE them?

[LadyCoonskinner]

As far as I know, the bible only speaks of tithing on increase. Capitol GAINS says what it is. It is a gain of monies from the sale of your home, and it is taxable if you do not put it into another home within a certain amount of time.A good rule of thumb is, if the IRS will tax it, then it probably should be tithed.

I would probably pay the tithe on the gain, and know I am giving God his due.

I agree. I don't want to be guility of not giving God what belongs to Him. After all, He is the reason I have what I have.

[LadyCoonskinner]

Do you PAY Tithe or GIVE them?

I GIVE them to Him. Cheerfully!!! The bible says, God loves a Cheerful giver. :bliss :bliss :bliss :bliss :bliss :bliss :bliss :bliss :bliss :bliss :

[LaVonne]

Do you PAY Tithe or GIVE them?

give!! I hate to say "pay my tithes"....

[Pragmatist]

I heard do you want a Net blessing or a Gross blessing... LOL.......

Well, I didn't think people tithed in order to be blessed.

[Felicity]

Scripture says .......


Bring the tithe into the storehouse.


Give and it shall be given to you.


God loves a cheerful giver.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Scripture says .......


Bring the tithe into the storehouse.


Give and it shall be given to you.


God loves a cheerful giver.


So when you sell a house do you Tithe on it?

[Drama Queen]

Drama Queen,
Have you asked your pastor about this? I would be curious to know what he thinks.

Not really. We just started going to a new church. So I'm not sure how he feels about it. Guess we need to ask. . . and soon. :dunno

[rgcraig]

I've never heard it taught to tithe on capital gains if you reinvest in another house.

[Truthseeker]

THANKS is an acronym:
T tithes pay your tithes
H hell is where you go if you do not pay your tithes
A always pay your tithes
N never forget to pay your tithes
K keep on paying your tithes
S saved folks pay tithes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!


THANKS finally revealed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:bliss :bliss :bliss :bliss :bliss :bliss


Thankfully your thanks is not true!

[Drama Queen]

I've never heard it taught to tithe on capital gains if you reinvest in another house.

Me either..... that's why I'm asking. We were told by someone that we should be tithing on it and I don't wanna be wrong..... sooooooo.... just wanted to know what everyone else thought.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

I've never heard it taught to tithe on capital gains if you reinvest in another house.

If you tithed on the paycheck, then as you built equity, it was tithed on. If you gained for the sale, and you then paid that toward another home, there was not a Tithe on that portion.

If you then lost your job and lost your house, would you receive a Tithe credit?

[rrford]

I've never heard it taught to tithe on capital gains if you reinvest in another house.

So, realistically that increase could never be tithed on. Not something I would want to do personally. It is definitely a blessing and increase that the house appreciated in value and you had money to invest in a new home. I still personally feel that when a home sells and all expenses (principle, interest, taxes, etc) that you have put into the home since purchasing it have been deducted from the sale price, whatever the gain is should be tithed before anything else is done with the money.

Look at it like this: You get a great deal on a used car. For round numbers let's say you bought one for $1,000.00. The next day you were able to sell it for $5,000.00 Would it be right to put the entire $5,000.00 into a new car and not tithe on the $4,000.00 increase? Personally, I think not.

[rrford]

If you tithed on the paycheck, then as you built equity, it was tithed on. If you gained for the sale, and you then paid that toward another home, there was not a Tithe on that portion.

If you then lost your job and lost your house, would you receive a Tithe credit?

What you tithed form the paycheck did not cover appreciation.

[rgcraig]

If you tithed on the paycheck, then as you built equity, it was tithed on. If you gained for the sale, and you then paid that toward another home, there was not a Tithe on that portion.

If you then lost your job and lost your house, would you receive a Tithe credit?

No, but hopefully, because you were faithful and paid all those tithes, the Lord would bless you with another job and house!!!! :bliss

[Drama Queen]

If you tithed on the paycheck, then as you built equity, it was tithed on. If you gained for the sale, and you then paid that toward another home, there was not a Tithe on that portion.

If you then lost your job and lost your house, would you receive a Tithe credit?

What exactly are you saying? You've gotta speak english for me to understand! :blush

[rgcraig]

So, realistically that increase could never be tithed on. Not something I would want to do personally. It is definitely a blessing and increase that the house appreciated in value and you had money to invest in a new home. I still personally feel that when a home sells and all expenses (principle, interest, taxes, etc) that you have put into the home since purchasing it have been deducted from the sale price, whatever the gain is should be tithed before anything else is done with the money.

Look at it like this: You get a great deal on a used car. For round numbers let's say you bought one for $1,000.00. The next day you were able to sell it for $5,000.00 Would it be right to put the entire $5,000.00 into a new car and not tithe on the $4,000.00 increase? Personally, I think not.

Apparently, it's something I've never thought about or heard taught, but you make sense.

[Drama Queen]

So, realistically that increase could never be tithed on. Not something I would want to do personally. It is definitely a blessing and increase that the house appreciated in value and you had money to invest in a new home. I still personally feel that when a home sells and all expenses (principle, interest, taxes, etc) that you have put into the home since purchasing it have been deducted from the sale price, whatever the gain is should be tithed before anything else is done with the money.

Look at it like this: You get a great deal on a used car. For round numbers let's say you bought one for $1,000.00. The next day you were able to sell it for $5,000.00 Would it be right to put the entire $5,000.00 into a new car and not tithe on the $4,000.00 increase? Personally, I think not.


Now that makes more sense to me.... I can see that. Just not sure why I'm having a hard time seeing it about the house.

Anyways.... it's just money. It came from HIM anyway. I guess I'd rather pay/give the tithes on the sale of our home and be right with God then to hold onto it and not be pleasing to HIM. :ty

[rgcraig]

Now that makes more sense to me.... I can see that. Just not sure why I'm having a hard time seeing it about the house.
Anyways.... it's just money. It came from HIM anyway. I guess I'd rather pay/give the tithes on the sale of our home and be right with God then to hold onto it and not be pleasing to HIM. :ty Probably because it's BIG money! :heeheehee

[rrford]

Apparently, it's something I've never thought about or heard taught, but you make sense.

I know it is an area that folks do feel strongly about so I have never made the decision for anyone. I explained how I felt about it and let them know it was between them and the Lord. Obviously, a person who pays out the full term of a 30 year mortgage would not have any real gain. Usually those who sell early might.

Let us also remember that there is a blessing in the tax deduction for mortgage interest. I consider that a blessing and would never want to try and attempt to find a way to not return to God what is His.

[rrford]

Probably because it's BIG money! :heeheehee

LOL! That is the case with many folks. Tithing $10.00 on a $100.00 isn't too difficult. But tithing $1,000.00 on $10,000.00 can be hard to swallow. Seen it struggled with many times...

[Drama Queen]

Probably because it's BIG money! :heeheehee

You might be right. Isn't that sad!

[rgcraig]

Which brings up the question....do you tithe on your income tax return?

Technically, you've already tithed on it if you tithe on gross income.

[rrford]

Which brings up the question....do you tithe on your income tax return?

Technically, you've already tithed on it if you tithe on gross income.

Correct. I do give an additional offering on it. Obviously tithe should be on gross income. Our increase is what we are paid. Doesn't matter waht the government TAKES. Taxes are just a bill that gets automatically deducted, IMO.

[Drama Queen]

Which brings up the question....do you tithe on your income tax return?

Technically, you've already tithed on it if you tithe on gross income.

Oh brother........ I'm getting a headache! :dunno :dunno :dunno

[rgcraig]

Lol! Don't think that hard!

My grandmother always had the best garden. Whatever she gathered from the garden or canned, she tithed 10% to the pastor.

They loved her!

(she would just ask for the jars back - lol)

[Drama Queen]

OK... I have another question. Our last pastor knew certain times a year that we got bonuses, and if for some reason he didn't see the tithes from it in the pot he would call us into the church office and ask us about it.

My dad's a pastor and I can't imagine him calling saints into the office regarding their tithes. Is that a normal thing to do?

[Truthseeker]

OK... I have another question. Our last pastor knew certain times a year that we got bonuses, and if for some reason he didn't see the tithes from it in the pot he would call us into the church office and ask us about it.

My dad's a pastor and I can't imagine him calling saints into the office regarding their tithes. Is that a normal thing to do?

oh the power of money!

[rgcraig]

I'm not sure if it's normal, but I think it's wrong.

[rrford]

OK... I have another question. Our last pastor knew certain times a year that we got bonuses, and if for some reason he didn't see the tithes from it in the pot he would call us into the church office and ask us about it.

My dad's a pastor and I can't imagine him calling saints into the office regarding their tithes. Is that a normal thing to do?

No.

[Neck]

OK Neck even though I realize that this is a public forum, my response was to DQ and NLYP since we have already discussed this over the phone.....well NLYP and I did anyway.....it was TIC to them....dont go and try to make a doctrine out of my reply, ..... guess I should have qualified my response....

Understood. I comments were to your statements and my thoughts.

Nathan Eckstadt

[Neck]

This is all silly to me.... everything that I have belongs to HIM.... the wife and I are in the process of making a decision to sell our home to free up money to use to build a new building and purchase the land needed to build it on here......no problem... He gave it to me, it is His........do I want to have to make this change - no - but if it takes it to make the Kingdom Move Forward.....I dont even have to really think about it twice.....EVERYTHING I have belongs to Him anyway......what is the deal??????????

Then what is the principle of 10%? We know God already owns it all...

[Neck]

Deuteronomy 14

22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. 23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always. 24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: 25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: 26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, 27 And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee. 28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: 29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

All your increase? If you had 10 kids would give one to the pastor? TIC

[Neck]

One note. If you decide to pay a tithe on the sale of your home and the current increase. That is fine if you feel you should.

What I would do is come up with a list of all the known repairs and items you did to the home.

The money you invested in the home to fix it up etc.

Like adding on to the house, fixing up a basement etc.

You already paid tithe on the money you used to fix up the house.

Take that away from the balance of the increase.

Becaue you paid for part of the increase already.

My opinion, at the end of the day what you feel is right.

Will be the right thing.

My thouhts are meant only as my own, and how ministers have shared with me their thoughts over the years...

[Neck]

One more note.

My unlce who is a UPCI minister told me that you should also subtract the amount of interest you paid on the home during the time you lived in the home.

So if you paid $7,000.00 a year in interest for 10 years and paid in close to $70,000.00 in interest over say 10 years and you sell your house.

Then want to buy a new one. If you feel you should tithe the increase. Subtract out the $70,000.00 from the gain.

Then add back 28% of the $70,000.00 if you did not tithe on your income tax return.

Because 28% is the average you get back on your return from the interest you paid.

SO the real rule would be to subtract out of the increase 67% of the interest you paid.

In the idea of the example above you would take

70,000.00 x 67% = $46,900.00

SO subtract the $49,900.00 from the increase in the value of your home.

You already paid a tithe on the money you used to pay the interest.


Nathan Eckstadt

[The Swordsman]

Nehemiah 10:38 - And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house.

[Truthseeker]

Nehemiah 10:38 - And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house.

I haven't met a levite yet.

[NLYP]

Me either..... that's why I'm asking. We were told by someone that we should be tithing on it and I don't wanna be wrong..... sooooooo.... just wanted to know what everyone else thought.

Ok Baby....enough...Your Hubby will make a decision and that will be that.
Love you!:highfive

[rgcraig]

Ok Baby....enough...Your Hubby will make a decision and that will be that.
Love you!:highfive
Send me 5% and I'll invest it for ya!

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Send me 5% and I'll invest it for ya!

Who owes Tithe then- He or Thee? :heeheehee

[rgcraig]

Who owes Tithe then- He or Thee? :heeheehee

We can start a thread to decide. :tease

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

We can start a thread to decide. :tease

Maybe AFTER church.

[LaVonne]

Which brings up the question....do you tithe on your income tax return?

Technically, you've already tithed on it if you tithe on gross income.

We've tithed on gross income for years. However, before we started doing that, we would just tithe our tax return as well.

[Digging4Truth]

Nehemiah 10:38 - And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house.

Before I make a comment...

Could please elucidate as to which post you might have been replying to and what point it is that you feel this verse is making?

[LadyCoonskinner]

All your increase? If you had 10 kids would give one to the pastor? TIC

Don't tempt me right now. Daddy's been gone for 4 days and they have been a little rowdy.:killinme :killinme :killinme

[LadyCoonskinner]

One more note.

My unlce who is a UPCI minister told me that you should also subtract the amount of interest you paid on the home during the time you lived in the home.

So if you paid $7,000.00 a year in interest for 10 years and paid in close to $70,000.00 in interest over say 10 years and you sell your house.

Then want to buy a new one. If you feel you should tithe the increase. Subtract out the $70,000.00 from the gain.

Then add back 28% of the $70,000.00 if you did not tithe on your income tax return.

Because 28% is the average you get back on your return from the interest you paid.

SO the real rule would be to subtract out of the increase 67% of the interest you paid.

In the idea of the example above you would take

70,000.00 x 67% = $46,900.00

SO subtract the $49,900.00 from the increase in the value of your home.

You already paid a tithe on the money you used to pay the interest.


Nathan Eckstadt

Not trying to stir up a fight, but why would you want to be so technical with God. He's the one who blessed you with the house you have and the one you want.

If you want a blessing, why limit Him with what you'll do with YOUR money on your end of the bargain.

Personally, I would want God to bless me with all that He has not just what I'm willing to let Him work with.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by The Swordsman View Post
Nehemiah 10:38 - And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house. Before I make a comment...

Could please elucidate as to which post you might have been replying to and what point it is that you feel this verse is making?

bump for the swordsman

[Praxeas]

Before I make a comment...

Could please elucidate as to which post you might have been replying to and what point it is that you feel this verse is making?
Don't hold your breath

[Brother Price]

I posted about this on another forum. I am a former non and anti tither, until I lost it all. I first hand experienced the truth that the tithe belongs to God, and we had better not put our hands on what is His. I tithed for the first time off of gross, and now know my finances are safe and secure. Whatever happens, the Lord will make a way and provide, because I placed Him first, above all else.

Some people want to get a little technical and say we have a formula to giving. You can tithe on this, but not tithe on this. You do tithe on this, but do not have to on this. I say, if we love God, whatever money flows into our hands, we had better tithe on it. I shall never be accused of stealing from God again. I will not be a theif in His house.

[Digging4Truth]

Don't hold your breath

Oh really? Okay... Well... Nevermind... I guess. :)

[COOPER]

Let me start off my saying that I am 100% for paying tithes... (don't really care what the Pastor does with them after I've done my part.) I believe that the tithes should be the first thing paid! You pay tithes before your bills. <-JMHO


OK.... I was always taught that you tithe on your INCREASE. So you tithe on the money you bring home. But what about when you sale your home? Do you tithe on that money?

If you are rolling all the money you are getting from the sale of your home into a new home, are you to tithe on that money before you use it as a down payment? I was raised that you would not tithe on it because you are putting that money into another home. If you were putting that money into your pocket.... then you should tithe on it.


So...... I'm asking you spiritual folks what you would do. I'd really like to know.

:2cents

It's sad to see how much money todays american churches have because of tithes.
Can not watch or listen to Christian T.V. or Radio with out hearing some one say please give, So a seed, give a love offering etc.
And why should pastors get a meal ticket?

[Digging4Truth]

It's sad to see how much money todays american churches have because of tithes.
Can not watch or listen to Christian T.V. or Radio with out hearing some one say please give, So a seed, give a love offering etc.
And why should pastors get a meal ticket?

Well... to me the thing is this.

Like you quoted it is seen so often "I don't care what happens to the money once I do my part"

The tithe was to be divided in a specific manner. Why does nobody care if God's word is obeyed?

Why does nobody care if everyone else who God stipulated to be ministered to by the tithe is left out?

Why do they not matter?

[COOPER]

Well... to me the thing is this.

Like you quoted it is seen so often "I don't care what happens to the money once I do my part"

The tithe was to be divided in a specific manner. Why does nobody care if God's word is obeyed?

Why does nobody care if everyone else who God stipulated to be ministered to by the tithe is left out?

Why do they not matter?
What is the average charge now a days for popular Preachers?

[Digging4Truth]

What is the average charge now a days for popular Preachers?

Oh man... don't ask me... I wouldn't begin to know.

[LadyChocolate]

Well... to me the thing is this.

Like you quoted it is seen so often "I don't care what happens to the money once I do my part"

The tithe was to be divided in a specific manner. Why does nobody care if God's word is obeyed?

Why does nobody care if everyone else who God stipulated to be ministered to by the tithe is left out?
Why do they not matter?

explain please...

[Digging4Truth]

explain please...

Here is waht I see on the division of the tithe.

The tithe was indeed given to the Levites (not the priests) but it was given to them to distribute... not to keep. They were to distribute 10% of the tithe that came in for themselves. They were to then distribute another 10% of the tithe that came in to the priests.

This was their portion (in other words... they weren't given any land. The other tribes were.... the other tribes paid in 10% of their increase on the land.) 10% of that tithe from the increase was for the Levites. 10% of that tithe from the increase was for the priests.

here is the scripture on this...


Num 18:25 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Num 18:26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, [even] a tenth [part] of the tithe.

When they received the tithe from the people they were to take a heave offering (10% of the tithe) and offer it up for the Lord.


Num 18:27 And [this] your heave offering shall be reckoned unto you, as though [it were] the corn of the threshingfloor, and as the fulness of the winepress.

This heave offering (the 10% of the tithe that had been brought in) was to be considered as their very own and reckoned unto the Levites.


Num 18:28 Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the LORD of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the LORD'S heave offering to Aaron the priest.

They were to then take another heave offering (another 10% of the tithe) and give it to the priests and the priests were to keep that for themselves just as the Levites had kept the heave offering for themselves.


Num 18:29 Out of all your gifts ye shall offer every heave offering of the LORD, of all the best thereof, [even] the hallowed part thereof out of it.

Not only were they to keep 10% of the tithe... but they were to make sure that what they kept was the best 10%


Num 18:30 Therefore thou shalt say unto them, When ye have heaved the best thereof from it, then it shall be counted unto the Levites as the increase of the threshingfloor, and as the increase of the winepress.

The 10% that they had kept out for themselves was to be counted as their own.


Num 18:31 And ye shall eat it in every place, ye and your households: for it [is] your reward for your service in the tabernacle of the congregation.

It was theirs to have and to do with anyway they pleased

Num 18:32 And ye shall bear no sin by reason of it, when ye have heaved from it the best of it: neither shall ye pollute the holy things of the children of Israel, lest ye die.
The 10% of the tithe for the Levites, and the 10% of the tithe for the priests was allowed to them to keep and no sin would be counted to them for keeping this amount

So... according to the word of God... 10% went to the priests. 10% went to the Levites as a whole (this would include porters, singers, musicians etc) and the other 80% was left over to minister to the poor, elderly, fatherless, widows, strangers etc.

[LadyChocolate]

Here is waht I see on the division of the tithe.

The tithe was indeed given to the Levites (not the priests) but it was given to them to distribute... not to keep. They were to distribute 10% of the tithe that came in for themselves. They were to then distribute another 10% of the tithe that came in to the priests.

This was their portion (in other words... they weren't given any land. The other tribes were.... the other tribes paid in 10% of their increase on the land.) 10% of that tithe from the increase was for the Levites. 10% of that tithe from the increase was for the priests.

here is the scripture on this...




When they received the tithe from the people they were to take a heave offering (10% of the tithe) and offer it up for the Lord.




This heave offering (the 10% of the tithe that had been brought in) was to be considered as their very own and reckoned unto the Levites.




They were to then take another heave offering (another 10% of the tithe) and give it to the priests and the priests were to keep that for themselves just as the Levites had kept the heave offering for themselves.




Not only were they to keep 10% of the tithe... but they were to make sure that what they kept was the best 10%




The 10% that they had kept out for themselves was to be counted as their own.



It was theirs to have and to do with anyway they pleased



So... according to the word of God... 10% went to the priests. 10% went to the Levites as a whole (this would include porters, singers, musicians etc) and the other 80% was left over to minister to the poor, elderly, fatherless, widows, strangers etc.

Yeah!!! I understood it that the tithes went into the storehouse.....and I was thinking about the widows when I asked you to explain. I pay tithes because that is what I am required, by the Word of God. But then I have wondered why the widows do without. (that really gets to me) I think the bible clearly states that the church is to take care of the widows. Now, I understand that in this day and age there is "social security" lol and things like that. But I've also seen ladies, who their husbands have gone on, they live on very little and the church just sort of turns its head....I am wondering where the scripture is to come into effect.

[MrsMcD]

Yeah!!! I understood it that the tithes went into the storehouse.....and I was thinking about the widows when I asked you to explain. I pay tithes because that is what I am required, by the Word of God. But then I have wondered why the widows do without. (that really gets to me) I think the bible clearly states that the church is to take care of the widows. Now, I understand that in this day and age there is "social security" lol and things like that. But I've also seen ladies, who their husbands have gone on, they live on very little and the church just sort of turns its head....I am wondering where the scripture is to come into effect.

I understand what the scripture says but in this day and time, we have way more resources (money, etc) than they did in bible days. I think the deceased husband should have made plans for his widow to be taken care. I just don't see it as the churches responsibility.

[Digging4Truth]

Yeah!!! I understood it that the tithes went into the storehouse.....and I was thinking about the widows when I asked you to explain. I pay tithes because that is what I am required, by the Word of God. But then I have wondered why the widows do without. (that really gets to me) I think the bible clearly states that the church is to take care of the widows. Now, I understand that in this day and age there is "social security" lol and things like that. But I've also seen ladies, who their husbands have gone on, they live on very little and the church just sort of turns its head....I am wondering where the scripture is to come into effect.

Well, IMO, much of the governmental welfare system is around because of the failure of the church to minister in these areas.

And, again IMO, that facilitates a godless society because they have a godless source where they can go and receive help while the source eminating from the Word of God has shut up its bowels of compassion.

Then you have a society which has seen a church which does not do as God commanded and then they turn and find a government who will help.

1 John 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels [of compassion] from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

Do you think we have any responsibility to God to see that his tithe is handled as he instructed? Or do we simply feel "Well... I handed the cash off.. I have passed the buck... it ain't my problem"?

I think these are serious things to consider.

[Digging4Truth]

I understand what the scripture says but in this day and time, we have way more resources (money, etc) than they did in bible days. I think the deceased husband should have made plans for his widow to be taken care. I just don't see it as the churches responsibility.

Gods word pivots on our level of resource?

Have you read in Nehemiah about when he was going to rebuild Jerusalem at the amount of Gold the people gave?

The end result of your statement is exactly in line with what I said in my previous post.

Worldly resources have taken over what God said for the church to fulfill.

One of the results of that is a society who views the church as a sideline because it has ceased to be forefront.

[LadyChocolate]

I understand what the scripture says but in this day and time, we have way more resources (money, etc) than they did in bible days. I think the deceased husband should have made plans for his widow to be taken care. I just don't see it as the churches responsibility.

Well, whether they should have made plans or not, some didn't...And that is what the church is here for! I am not saying the church needs to just start paying for all the widows bills and so forth, but if there is a need, the church is obligated to help...... I don't like questioning the ministry but their is some accountability here.

[LadyChocolate]

Well, IMO, much of the governmental welfare system is around because of the failure of the church to minister in these areas.

And, again IMO, that facilitates a godless society because they have a godless source where they can go and receive help while the source eminating from the Word of God has shut up its bowels of compassion.

Then you have a society which has seen a church which does not do as God commanded and then they turn and find a government who will help.



Do you think we have any responsibility to God to see that his tithe is handled as he instructed? Or do we simply feel "Well... I handed the cash off.. I have passed the buck... it ain't my problem"?

I think these are serious things to consider.

In our neck of the woods, you just don't question anything the pastor does......or else......even though I think it..... God didn't say to let welfare take care of widows, it said for the church to. THat is another thing that gets me. Welfare was designed to aid people for a temporary moment, not for people to live off of...........and i'm not having a lack of compassion here either....THere are those that need welfare and they are hard workers. It's hard trying to make ends meet in todays world. Especially for single parents...I fully understand that. BUt I also have seen people refuse a second job because that would take away from their foodstamps or whatever....that I do not understand. ANyway, the bible is right....the tithes are supposed to help the widows...........

[Digging4Truth]

I understand what the scripture says but in this day and time, we have way more resources (money, etc) than they did in bible days. I think the deceased husband should have made plans for his widow to be taken care. I just don't see it as the churches responsibility.

If people in this day are able to put up for retirement then the result of that on the church should be that... for that individual... then the need is less or non existant. That would leave more to minister to others.

We should never reach the place where the worlds way of living causes Gods provision to not exist.

Gods provision should always be left in place because mans provision will always fail eventually.

[Digging4Truth]

In our neck of the woods, you just don't question anything the pastor does......or else......even though I think it..... God didn't say to let welfare take care of widows, it said for the church to. THat is another thing that gets me. Welfare was designed to aid people for a temporary moment, not for people to live off of...........and i'm not having a lack of compassion here either....THere are those that need welfare and they are hard workers. It's hard trying to make ends meet in todays world. Especially for single parents...I fully understand that. BUt I also have seen people refuse a second job because that would take away from their foodstamps or whatever....that I do not understand. ANyway, the bible is right....the tithes are supposed to help the widows...........

Those doing without because of a failure to obey the provision laid out by God brings a scripture to mind.

Will a man rob God?.... yet you have robbed me in tithes & offerings.

A certain amount of the tithe can be taken with no sin having been counted against them... after that... one has begun to rob God.

[MrsMcD]

If people in this day are able to put up for retirement then the result of that on the church should be that... for that individual... then the need is less or non existant. That would leave more to minister to others.

We should never reach the place where the worlds way of living causes Gods provision to not exist.

Gods provision should always be left in place because mans provision will always fail eventually.

I understand what you are saying.

[Theresa]

Let me start off my saying that I am 100% for paying tithes... (don't really care what the Pastor does with them after I've done my part.) I believe that the tithes should be the first thing paid! You pay tithes before your bills. <-JMHO


OK.... I was always taught that you tithe on your INCREASE. So you tithe on the money you bring home. But what about when you sale your home? Do you tithe on that money?

If you are rolling all the money you are getting from the sale of your home into a new home, are you to tithe on that money before you use it as a down payment? I was raised that you would not tithe on it because you are putting that money into another home. If you were putting that money into your pocket.... then you should tithe on it.


So...... I'm asking you spiritual folks what you would do. I'd really like to know.

:2cents


no, I dont think you consider this an "increase" unless you got money from the sale of your home that you put into your checking account and spent as you would your paycheck.

If there is no actual money in your hands after the sale or liquidation of any assets, you havent "increased"

Like if you inherited a big bunch of money, You dont have to pay tithes on the lump sum, just what you liquidate into actual cash, as you liquidate it. If you cash it all in immediatly, yes pay tithes...if you draw from it for years, you pay on what you actually draw

I got that from my pastor, two of them said the same thing.


Make sense?

The money from the sale of your house isnt going to actually be money in your pocket, its tranferring to another house.


Now if you dont use it all for the downpayment, you decide to keep some to get those Manohlo Blahnik boots, you should tithe on what you kept :)

[Drama Queen]

no, I dont think you consider this an "increase" unless you got money from the sale of your home that you put into your checking account and spent as you would your paycheck.

If there is no actual money in your hands after the sale or liquidation of any assets, you havent "increased"

Like if you inherited a big bunch of money, You dont have to pay tithes on the lump sum, just what you liquidate into actual cash, as you liquidate it. If you cash it all in immediatly, yes pay tithes...if you draw from it for years, you pay on what you actually draw

I got that from my pastor, two of them said the same thing.


Make sense?

The money from the sale of your house isnt going to actually be money in your pocket, its tranferring to another house.


Now if you dont use it all for the downpayment, you decide to keep some to get those Manohlo Blahnik boots, you should tithe on what you kept :)


OOOooooo Yea Bo....... Size 7 please! (forward to NLYP):heeheehee :bliss :bliss :bliss

[Michlow]

I feel like a stranger in a strange land.

My sabatical away from the forums have left me confused as to proper etiquette, or something. :dunno

To me the answer is pretty simple. Ask God if he wants you to give a percentage of the proceeds of your house. If he does, then give it. If not, then put it all into the new house.

Am I missing something?

[Digging4Truth]

I feel like a stranger in a strange land.

My sabatical away from the forums have left me confused as to proper etiquette, or something. :dunno

To me the answer is pretty simple. Ask God if he wants you to give a percentage of the proceeds of your house. If he does, then give it. If not, then put it all into the new house.

Am I missing something?

Apparently there was also some question whether they should buy a pair of boots as well.

Since they are talking about buying boots I can only assume that someone in this discussion owns cattle and is having to walk through mud and other various messes.

[Michlow]

Apparently there was also some question whether they should buy a pair of boots as well.

Since they are talking about buying boots I can only assume that someone in this discussion owns cattle and is having to walk through mud and other various messes.

:heeheehee

[Praxeas]

In our neck of the woods, you just don't question anything the pastor does......or else......even though I think it..... God didn't say to let welfare take care of widows, it said for the church to. THat is another thing that gets me. Welfare was designed to aid people for a temporary moment, not for people to live off of...........and i'm not having a lack of compassion here either....THere are those that need welfare and they are hard workers. It's hard trying to make ends meet in todays world. Especially for single parents...I fully understand that. BUt I also have seen people refuse a second job because that would take away from their foodstamps or whatever....that I do not understand. ANyway, the bible is right....the tithes are supposed to help the widows...........
We have welfare because the church DOESN'T do it

[Revelationist]

I posted about this on another forum. I am a former non and anti tither, until I lost it all. I first hand experienced the truth that the tithe belongs to God, and we had better not put our hands on what is His. I tithed for the first time off of gross, and now know my finances are safe and secure. Whatever happens, the Lord will make a way and provide, because I placed Him first, above all else.

Some people want to get a little technical and say we have a formula to giving. You can tithe on this, but not tithe on this. You do tithe on this, but do not have to on this. I say, if we love God, whatever money flows into our hands, we had better tithe on it. I shall never be accused of stealing from God again. I will not be a theif in His house.

And it was noted that I've seen people that have lost it all that tithed...

Jerry Moon

[MrsMcD]

And it was noted that I've seen people that have lost it all that tithed...

Jerry Moon

So have I. There must have been some other sin in their life. (tic)

[MrsBOOMM]

It's sad to see how much money todays american churches have because of tithes.
Can not watch or listen to Christian T.V. or Radio with out hearing some one say please give, So a seed, give a love offering etc.
And why should pastors get a meal ticket?

If you knew how many meals pastors went without or left on the table to get stone cold, you might not ask this question

[rrford]

And it was noted that I've seen people that have lost it all that tithed...

Jerry Moon


And? Does one think that tithing amounts to an obligation on God's part to not allow trials and tests in your life?

[Fireside]

And? Does one think that tithing amounts to an obligation on God's part to not allow trials and tests in your life?

Or a free pass to violate principles of stewardship and wisdom?

[Hegavmelif]

If you knew how many meals pastors went without or left on the table to get stone cold, you might not ask this question

ALL the ones I know personally (who happen to be UPCI) have never gone without a meal or let one get cold. They have people to do their yards, people to wash their cars, people to cook their meals (or they eat out all the time), people to run their errends, people to iron their clothes (if they don't send them to the cleaners), people to call on the sick, and people to do ALL the work in and around the church. They take all the tithes and do not account for them to anyone. The pick and choose who they will talk to on the phone and do not answer a phone if layaity needs late at night or early in the morning. They sleep as late as they wish, go to every conference in the continental U.S. and pay their children salaries from the offerings (not the tithes). Anyway, I do know a few who are on the up and up!!!

[Richard Perry]

When you tithe because of duty, often you miss the blessing. When you tithe to embrace the Lord into your finances, you embellish the opportunity to give Him His part of the equation. Too often our giving becomes of nessecity. God loveth a cheerful giver. New testement titheing was always administered as giving, yet the shadow of old testement law was forever in the background. You cannot seperate them, yet, if you choose willingly and cheerfully, you get all the benefits.

[MrsBOOMM]

ALL the ones I know personally (who happen to be UPCI) have never gone without a meal or let one get cold. They have people to do their yards, people to wash their cars, people to cook their meals (or they eat out all the time), people to run their errends, people to iron their clothes (if they don't send them to the cleaners), people to call on the sick, and people to do ALL the work in and around the church. They take all the tithes and do not account for them to anyone. The pick and choose who they will talk to on the phone and do not answer a phone if layaity needs late at night or early in the morning. They sleep as late as they wish, go to every conference in the continental U.S. and pay their children salaries from the offerings (not the tithes). Anyway, I do know a few who are on the up and up!!!

I feel bad for you. You seem to be seeing only what you want to see. I do know that people very often misjudge what goes on in a Pastor's home. I can give you numerous accounts of the stories that used to be told about my Dad, which had absolutely no basis and were started only because someone had a bitter spirit, and had nothing better to do than to spread untruths. There are a very few who give the ministry a bad name, but for the most part there are a lot of Pastor's who can do no right in some people's eyes. There are always 2 sides to every story and if you want to you can find the bad part in anything. My Dad has left many meals and precious time with his family to deal with folks who have attitudes like yours.

[MrsMcD]

ALL the ones I know personally (who happen to be UPCI) have never gone without a meal or let one get cold. They have people to do their yards, people to wash their cars, people to cook their meals (or they eat out all the time), people to run their errends, people to iron their clothes (if they don't send them to the cleaners), people to call on the sick, and people to do ALL the work in and around the church. They take all the tithes and do not account for them to anyone. The pick and choose who they will talk to on the phone and do not answer a phone if layaity needs late at night or early in the morning. They sleep as late as they wish, go to every conference in the continental U.S. and pay their children salaries from the offerings (not the tithes). Anyway, I do know a few who are on the up and up!!!

This sure doesn't describe the pastor's home I grew up in.

My brother and I did the yards and washed the cars. My sister, mom, and I cooked every meal. We LIVED off of foodbank food for a few years. Most of the time, there was no tithe left over after my dad got finished paying the church bills with the tithes. My dad sleep late -- No Way -- Too many saints calling with problems.

BUT, God has truly blessed my dad. Sure, some saints probably dog him because he lives in a decent house now but no one knows or cares that most of his life, he has given more to the church than he has received. I could go on and on but I better hush. God has truly been good to my family!

[MrsBOOMM]

This sure doesn't describe the pastor's home I grew up in.

My brother and I did the yards and washed the cars. My sister, mom, and I cooked every meal. We LIVED off of foodbank food for a few years. Most of the time, there was no tithe left over after my dad got finished paying the church bills with the tithes. My dad sleep late -- No Way -- Too many saints calling with problems.

BUT, God has truly blessed my dad. Sure, some saints probably dog him because he lives in a decent house now but no one knows or cares that most of his life, he has given more to the church than he has received. I could go on and on but I better hush. God has truly been good to my family!

sounds very familiar to me! No one, I mean no one will ever know the real burden that Pastors carry. Yeah, there are a few who give the rest a bad name but that is true in every profession. For the most part, I believe there are men who have a very big heavenly reward awaiting them.