View Full Version : Today's message at my church- Judgment is coming to America
one of our associates taught the adult class today and told how the LOrd spoke to him as clearly as he has ever heard his voice. it was not just a thought but it was a word from the LOrd that America is getting ready for a time of Great sorrow.
when this person hears from the Lord I sit up and listen. He really hears from God and our pastor trust him too. He is not fluff, just a plain guy a straight shooter. He;'s told me things and it was always on
anyhow, he said he say a time coming soon when no one will be flying anywhere, no one will be taking holidays, all the planes will be empty, the vacation resorts will be empty, it will be a time of great terror.
I am sitting here trying to remember all that he said . I'll post more as it comes but it really has shaken me up. somehow I felt a witness in my spirit that this was true.
I was in San francisco Yesterday and i kept saying and thinking " Lord how long are you going to let all this sin go on and let our nation get by with this" and then here we are with today's bible study. I guess that was my answer.
the nation and church will be Judged according to this minister for the sins of our nation
any thoughts ? is this too negative to talk about ?
rgcraig
03-04-2007, 05:17 PM
No, we need to be shaken. Keith started a thread like this - I'll bump it.
one of our associates taught the adult class today and told how the LOrd spoke to him as clearly as he has ever heard his voice. it was not a voice it was a word from the LOrd that America is getting ready for a time of Great sorrow.
when this person hears from the Lord I sit up and listen. He really hears from God and our pastor trust him too. He is not fluff, just a plain guy a straight shooter.
anyhow, he said he say a time coming soon when no one will be flying anywhere, all the planes will be empty, a time of great terror.
I am sitting here trying to remember all that he said . I'll post more as it comes but it really has shaken me up. somehow I felt a witness in my spirit that this was true.
I was in San francisco Yesterday and i kept saying and thinking " Lord how long are you going to let all this sin go on and let our nation get by with this" and then here we are with today's bible study. I guess that was my answer.
the nation and church will be Judged according to this minister for the sins of our nation
any thoughts ? is this too negative to talk about ?
I don't think so Thad ... I too feel a judgment coming soon ... and a subsequent persecution of the American church ...
No, we need to be shaken. Keith started a thread like this - I'll bump it.
wow and I haven't been around in a while.
maybe God is up to something ??
The Kid
03-04-2007, 05:25 PM
What? No revival talk? How come negative messages and talk like this is what gives us pause? Are we so afraid of losing our comfort zone that we are only sobered by bad news?
Ever since 9-11 it seems like there are many doomsday prophets running around. They have said that Saddam and Osama Bin have brought more people to church than any combination of preachers.
Newsflash: In the world ye shall have tribulation, but been of good cheer, for I have overcome the world.
I don't buy being spiritually motivated through fear, nor am I going to live a chicken little lifestyle, however, I can and predict with 100% certainty that....things are going to change. :D
I trust the goodness of God and serve him with gladness. I refuse to be ruled or managed by fear.
I don't think so Thad ... I too feel a judgment coming soon ... and a subsequent persecution of the American church ...
I think you are right Dan.
It's so bad here - sin is so open and blantant it makes me sick.
The youth are in Bad shape.
2 parents had lunch with my brother and said in Jr high the boys are opening making out with other boys and it's cool - girls too.
the parents are worried to death
The New thing in california is to break yourself in sexually with the same sex, if you haven't you are not cool at all.
What? No revival talk? How come negative messages and talk like this is what gives us pause? Are we so afraid of losing our comfort zone that we are only sobered by bad news?
Ever since 9-11 it seems like there are many doomsday prophets running around. They have said that Saddam and Osama Bin have brought more people to church than any combination of preachers.
Newsflash: In the world ye shall have tribulation, but been of good cheer, for I have overcome the world.
I don't buy being spiritually motivated through fear, nor am I going to live a chicken little lifestyle, however, I can and predict with 100% certainty that....things are going to change. :D
I trust the goodness of God and serve him with gladness. I refuse to be ruled or managed by fear.
Carp my church is not one that is constantly hammered on Doom and gloom it doesn't go over well here but this time was different I just felt it in my spirit.
He did tell the church that all of this was actually good news. It often took Judgment for israel to turn back to the God of their fathers. it's human nature
rgcraig
03-04-2007, 05:28 PM
What? No revival talk? How come negative messages and talk like this is what gives us pause? Are we so afraid of losing our comfort zone that we are only sobered by bad news?
Ever since 9-11 it seems like there are many doomsday prophets running around. They have said that Saddam and Osama Bin have brought more people to church than any combination of preachers.
Newsflash: In the world ye shall have tribulation, but been of good cheer, for I have overcome the world.
I don't buy being spiritually motivated through fear, nor am I going to live a chicken little lifestyle, however, I can and predict with 100% certainty that....things are going to change. :D
I trust the goodness of God and serve him with gladness. I refuse to be ruled or managed by fear.
I believe this too Carp, but I also think some are "too comfortable" and don't have the depth in their spiritual walk that they need to substain a tribulation.
The Spirit and the bride say, "Come." And let the one who hears say, "Come." And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost
The Kid
03-04-2007, 05:34 PM
I believe this too Carp, but I also think some are "too comfortable" and don't have the depth in their spiritual walk that they need to substain a tribulation.
I agree, there is a need for retrospect, examination, and spiritual introspection, but really, I have been hearing apocalyptic bad news since I have been in the church and frankly, I don't buy the emotional pull that gives it its legs.
There is a call, a need for consistent and constant examination, levelheaded reasoning, and not emotional, run-to the altar tonight because the sky is falling!!!!
When I hear this junk being spewed to Young people it really gets under my skin! Young people are impressionable and their futures are already uncertain enough with out people, preachers constantly telling them they have nothing to live for (in essence) so they should get to the altar NOW!
The Kid
03-04-2007, 05:34 PM
The Spirit and the bride say, "Come." And let the one who hears say, "Come." And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost
:dunno
Bryan
03-04-2007, 05:36 PM
I agree, there is a need for retrospect, examination, and spiritual introspection, but really, I have been hearing apocalyptic bad news since I have been in the church and frankly, I don't buy the emotional pull that gives it its legs.
There is a call, a need for consistent and constant examination, levelheaded reasoning, and not emotional, run-to the altar tonight because the sky is falling!!!!
When I hear this junk being spewed to Young people it really gets under my skin! Young people are impressionable and their futures are already uncertain enough with out people, preachers constantly telling them they have nothing to live for (in essence) so they should get to the altar NOW!
:bow Man, that is the truth!
ReformedDave
03-04-2007, 05:36 PM
when this person hears from the Lord I sit up and listen.
Do you pay the same attention to Scripture???? We KNOW that's the voice of God.
The Kid
03-04-2007, 05:36 PM
Do you pay the same attention to Scripture???? We KNOW that's the voice of God.
Great POINT DAVE!
Felicity
03-04-2007, 05:37 PM
I think you are right Dan.
It's so bad here - sin is so open and blantant it makes me sick.
The youth are in Bad shape.
2 parents had lunch with my brother and said in Jr high the boys are opening making out with other boys and it's cool - girls too.
the parents are worried to death
The New thing in california is to break yourself in sexually with the same sex, if you haven't you are not cool at all. It's bad here in the Vancouver area.
Bryan
03-04-2007, 05:38 PM
Do you pay the same attention to Scripture???? We KNOW that's the voice of God.
:)
rgcraig
03-04-2007, 05:38 PM
I agree, there is a need for retrospect, examination, and spiritual introspection, but really, I have been hearing apocalyptic bad news since I have been in the church and frankly, I don't buy the emotional pull that gives it its legs.
There is a call, a need for consistent and constant examination, levelheaded reasoning, and not emotional, run-to the altar tonight because the sky is falling!!!!
When I hear this junk being spewed to Young people it really gets under my skin! Young people are impressionable and their futures are already uncertain enough with out people, preachers constantly telling them they have nothing to live for (in essence) so they should get to the altar NOW!
I understand. I think what you've described above is wrong.
However, I do have a feeling that there is something stirring in our country now that we need to not ignore.
Our sermon this morning was about the same thing that was mentioned. As Americans we are a spoiled, rich country and each day there are efforts to take God out of our system - - not a good combination.
ReformedDave
03-04-2007, 05:39 PM
Great POINT DAVE!
Tired of people's mere opinions.
I agree, there is a need for retrospect, examination, and spiritual introspection, but really, I have been hearing apocalyptic bad news since I have been in the church and frankly, I don't buy the emotional pull that gives it its legs.
There is a call, a need for consistent and constant examination, levelheaded reasoning, and not emotional, run-to the altar tonight because the sky is falling!!!!
When I hear this junk being spewed to Young people it really gets under my skin! Young people are impressionable and their futures are already uncertain enough with out people, preachers constantly telling them they have nothing to live for (in essence) so they should get to the altar NOW!
If it was just a scare tactic I would wholeheartedly agree.
Carp, people today don't scare anyways. they are numb to everything. hollywood and entertainment has got everyone dumbed down. our nation cares about who was Anna's baby daddy and the newest gagets. no one hardly pays any attention anymore to what is going in Iraq.
This was a bible study NO Alter call, nothing about trying to scare someone to repent.
this was a sobering word given to the body at the end of a bible lesson.
you've got our church and what went forth mixed up with the typical sermons you've heard. there was a different ring to this
Do you pay the same attention to Scripture???? We KNOW that's the voice of God.
Yes I do of course but he also speaks to his servants a prophets and I'm not talking about the ones with their names flashed in neon lights.
The humble nobody's are often the ones who are right on target
Arphaxad
03-04-2007, 05:46 PM
If My people, who are called by My name,
Will humble themselves and pray,
Than I will hear from heaven,
And I will heal the land.
This scripture might be worded wrong cause I'm going from memory but I believe its in 1 or2 KIngs. Its been going through my head all day, cause the preaching in church was "if and than " scriptures, but this one was left out.
Who's God talking about ? One God Jesus name apostolics.
What does He want us to do? Go out and vote in people we think are right? NO,walk around gloomy and doomy,NO,. Get on our faces and pray, stand in the gap like Moses did, go spread the word like Jonah. YES.
The only thing I'm worried about is that its going to take a disaster for that to happen.
If My people, who are called by My name,
Will humble themselves and pray,
Than I will hear from heaven,
And I will heal the land.
This scripture might be worded wrong cause I'm going from memory but I believe its in 1 or2 KIngs. Its been going through my head all day, cause the preaching in church was "if and than " scriptures, but this one was left out.
Who's God talking about ? One God Jesus name apostolics.
What does He want us to do? Go out and vote in people we think are right? NO,walk around gloomy and doomy,NO,. Get on our faces and pray, stand in the gap like Moses did, go spread the word like Jonah. YES.
The only thing I'm worried about is that its going to take a disaster for that to happen.
I think that is everyone's point too.
Or most everyone. some obviously don't believe anything could happen to us and that God will not judge america for her sins
ReformedDave
03-04-2007, 05:49 PM
Yes I do of course but he also speaks to his servants a prophets and I'm not talking about the ones with their names flashed in neon lights.
The humble nobody's are often the ones who are right on target
Do you think that this man's word carries the same authority?
How will you know that some bad calamity is judgment from God???? Remember 9/11?
Do you think that this man's word carries the same authority?
How will you know that some bad calamity is judgment from God???? Remember 9/11?
Dave I don't think anyone speaks with the same authority as the word of God. He put his word above all things but I believe that our spirit does bear witness when It's from a human voice given to us
rgcraig
03-04-2007, 05:56 PM
I thought God used vessels to speak through.
Malvaro
04-17-2007, 03:15 PM
*bumping for more discussion*
mizpeh
04-17-2007, 03:35 PM
According to Bro Strange, He received a word from Nona Freeman of hard times ahead for the USA, but revival would come out of it. He posted it on NFCF.
Malvaro
04-17-2007, 03:46 PM
Bro Strange, I vaguely recall that.... could you repost the experience???
something about Pentecost sought the exuberiance of the Spirit for the last 100 years or so.... and now needs to seek the power of the Spirit....
Rev Dooley
04-17-2007, 03:52 PM
I am surprised that many haven't already come to the point of realizing that America can no longer sustain its sinful desires and lifestyle choices. I genuinely believe that judgement is coming, that it is already in process.
The Bible says that judgement begins in the house of God, or something to that effect. If this is so, no wonder so many orgs are struggling since many divisive folks want to destroy the old paths.
UPC is not significant in its struggle with the liberal agenda that has washed into the church, except that UPC is one of the larger orgs. ACLJ is also having to deal with the issues.
Many fine men of God have left orgs for the fact of liberalism.
There is a rising awareness among the church that our God is holy and doesn't request holiness. He demands it. Big difference! Without holiness we cannot even see God.
Holiness is more than just clothing, though it is a part of it. It is lifestyle that reflects godly attributes. It is a lifestyle that is separated from the world. It refuses to embrace worldly entertainment for purity's sake.
CHURCH: get your act together. God will not always strive with your waywardness.
Brother Strange
04-17-2007, 04:13 PM
What? No revival talk? How come negative messages and talk like this is what gives us pause? Are we so afraid of losing our comfort zone that we are only sobered by bad news?
Ever since 9-11 it seems like there are many doomsday prophets running around. They have said that Saddam and Osama Bin have brought more people to church than any combination of preachers.
Newsflash: In the world ye shall have tribulation, but been of good cheer, for I have overcome the world.
I don't buy being spiritually motivated through fear, nor am I going to live a chicken little lifestyle, however, I can and predict with 100% certainty that....things are going to change. :D
I trust the goodness of God and serve him with gladness. I refuse to be ruled or managed by fear.
To this, I say a hearty "amen."
When I see troubles coming and the distress of nations as we are seeing now, I look up because I know that redemption is drawing near. It is not a time for fear, sadness and the "chicken little attitude" for the righteous.
When we see these things approaching, having spiritual eyes and understanding, it is a time of rejoicing in the God of our salvation. Look, since time began David recognized that nations are going to have tribulation because they turned their back on God, nothing unlike America is doing:
Psa 9:16 The LORD is known the judgment [which] he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah.
Psa 9:17 [B]The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.
Psa 9:18 For the needy shall not alway be forgotten: the expectation of the poor shall [not] perish for ever.
Psa 9:19 Arise, O LORD; let not man prevail: let the heathen be judged in thy sight.
Psa 9:20 Put them in fear, O LORD: [that] the nations may know themselves [to be but] men. Selah.
The fate of the wicked and that of the righteous is not the same fate. We can rejoice in the God of our salvation, seeing that deliverance has come to our dwellings and not ONE HAIR of our head shall perish from the swift destruction of the wicked.
Meanwhile, I will life today to its fullest extent and might even put some money in XOM, possibly in P&G. If anyone is interested, SA would be a good place to put some as is TXN and C too.
Brother Strange
04-17-2007, 04:18 PM
Bro Strange, I vaguely recall that.... could you repost the experience???
something about Pentecost sought the exuberiance of the Spirit for the last 100 years or so.... and now needs to seek the power of the Spirit....
Yes.
In a personal conversation with sister Nona Freeman, she said to me that God had spoken to her that we have for the past hundred years enjoyed the exuberance of the Holy Ghost but now we are being called to walk in the dimension of its power.
I am told that she gave some lectures in this vein for which there are cds available. She gave me a bookmarker containing the seven steps that God had given her toward walking in that dimension.
You have a good memory, Malvaro. :D
Brother Strange
04-17-2007, 04:20 PM
According to Bro Strange, He received a word from Nona Freeman of hard times ahead for the USA, but revival would come out of it. He posted it on NFCF.
That's right.
She spoke of it at a special meeting where my kids pastor in Ft. Worth.
RevDWW
04-17-2007, 04:29 PM
I am the farthest thing from a gloom and doomer, but I too have felt something stirring in my Spirit.
At one time I prayed earnestly and often for a Great Revival in our nation, but slacked off (to my shame) when the Spirit asked me if I knew what it would take to really bring people to repentance. I can tell you this IT IS NOT PROSPERATY!
See the old and new testament. Israel sought God the most energetically when in the midst of hard times. This Good News message was spread to the World by persecution.
But where sin abounds grace does much more abound. Where it is the darkest the faintest light shines bright!
There is hope! If a man will cry out to the nation of it's impending doom and they repent God will hear and forgive. Just ask Nineveh.
Pressing-On
04-17-2007, 04:37 PM
According to Bro Strange, He received a word from Nona Freeman of hard times ahead for the USA, but revival would come out of it. He posted it on NFCF.
I was going to mention this, but checked to see if it was already posted.
BoredOutOfMyMind
04-17-2007, 04:42 PM
*bumping for more discussion*
not fair, since his Thadness is not here to discuss with us.
Leave the Bish alone!
That's right.
She spoke of it at a special meeting where my kids pastor in Ft. Worth.She also said this same thing at La. Camp Meeting, I think last year or the year before.
I'm thinking last year.
Rev Dooley
04-17-2007, 04:46 PM
I spent 6 months praying for God to do here wha He has done in other countries. At the end of that time God spoke this to me:
"I cannot do in my American church what I do in my Ethiopian church for my American church is too full."
I could not pray for this again for some time. I was astonished at the strength of the word I was given.
I realized then that we are so full of things that there is no room for Him to move.
We are so full of our own desires that the desire for Him has waned.
We are so full of the blessings that we feel rich and have need of nothing when in reality we are poor, blind, wretched, and naked.
I now pray that God will empty us out so that He can fill us with what we truly need and not just what our selfish flesh wants.
Until we are empty, there is no room for God to fill us with the bounty of revival.
NI
I am surprised that many haven't already come to the point of realizing that America can no longer sustain its sinful desires and lifestyle choices. I genuinely believe that judgement is coming, that it is already in process.
The Bible says that judgement begins in the house of God, or something to that effect. If this is so, no wonder so many orgs are struggling since many divisive folks want to destroy the old paths.
UPC is not significant in its struggle with the liberal agenda that has washed into the church, except that UPC is one of the larger orgs. ACLJ is also having to deal with the issues.
Many fine men of God have left orgs for the fact of liberalism.
There is a rising awareness among the church that our God is holy and doesn't request holiness. He demands it. Big difference! Without holiness we cannot even see God.
Holiness is more than just clothing, though it is a part of it. It is lifestyle that reflects godly attributes. It is a lifestyle that is separated from the world. It refuses to embrace worldly entertainment for purity's sake.
CHURCH: get your act together. God will not always strive with your waywardness.
So this is all over standards? Please! Good grief!
Praxeas
04-17-2007, 05:22 PM
one of our associates taught the adult class today and told how the LOrd spoke to him as clearly as he has ever heard his voice. it was not just a thought but it was a word from the LOrd that America is getting ready for a time of Great sorrow.
when this person hears from the Lord I sit up and listen. He really hears from God and our pastor trust him too. He is not fluff, just a plain guy a straight shooter. He;'s told me things and it was always on
anyhow, he said he say a time coming soon when no one will be flying anywhere, no one will be taking holidays, all the planes will be empty, the vacation resorts will be empty, it will be a time of great terror.
I am sitting here trying to remember all that he said . I'll post more as it comes but it really has shaken me up. somehow I felt a witness in my spirit that this was true.
I was in San francisco Yesterday and i kept saying and thinking " Lord how long are you going to let all this sin go on and let our nation get by with this" and then here we are with today's bible study. I guess that was my answer.
the nation and church will be Judged according to this minister for the sins of our nation
any thoughts ? is this too negative to talk about ?
Didn't this already essentially happen after 9/11?
I believe Judgement has already came and will come again.
Praxeas
04-17-2007, 05:24 PM
I am the farthest thing from a gloom and doomer, but I too have felt something stirring in my Spirit.
At one time I prayed earnestly and often for a Great Revival in our nation, but slacked off (to my shame) when the Spirit asked me if I knew what it would take to really bring people to repentance. I can tell you this IT IS NOT PROSPERATY!
See the old and new testament. Israel sought God the most energetically when in the midst of hard times. This Good News message was spread to the World by persecution.
But where sin abounds grace does much more abound. Where it is the darkest the faintest light shines bright!
There is hope! If a man will cry out to the nation of it's impending doom and they repent God will hear and forgive. Just ask Nineveh.
I think the prosperity teachers are one of the worse things to happen to us as they don't warn anyone and don't preach against sin. They have dulled the eyes and ears of many
Hmmmm. I can tell by reading Thad's posts that this is something he's serious about. It would be nice if someone had a simple answer to soothe people's fears, but I too feel that this country's focus has shifted too far away from anything resembling a God fearing nation. 9/11 seemed to turn the tide for a time, but we seem to have the attention span of a kindergartner in this country.
Brother Strange
04-17-2007, 05:38 PM
I think the prosperity teachers are one of the worse things to happen to us as they don't warn anyone and don't preach against sin. They have dulled the eyes and ears of many
So true! So True!
Brother Strange
04-17-2007, 05:47 PM
I spent 6 months praying for God to do here wha He has done in other countries. At the end of that time God spoke this to me:
"I cannot do in my American church what I do in my Ethiopian church for my American church is too full."
I could not pray for this again for some time. I was astonished at the strength of the word I was given.
I realized then that we are so full of things that there is no room for Him to move.
We are so full of our own desires that the desire for Him has waned.
We are so full of the blessings that we feel rich and have need of nothing when in reality we are poor, blind, wretched, and naked.
I now pray that God will empty us out so that He can fill us with what we truly need and not just what our selfish flesh wants.
Until we are empty, there is no room for God to fill us with the bounty of revival.
NI
This is a very spiritually astute post. Good. So much truth here.
In 1990, if I recall correctly, we were on vacation to the big apple. On the bow of the ferry coming back from Liberty Island, I gazed upon the looming twin towers of the WTC, directly ahead of me. Suddenly the Spirit of the Lord came upon me and I heard his voice say, "these buildings will tumble to the ground and will be no more." I turned to the wife standing behind me and told her and some of the children with me what the Spirit had just spoken to me. I wept almost uncontroably while standing on the furthers point of the bow. Actually, in my mind, I thought that the Lord was speaking of all those great buildings in New York. It was not until 9/11/01 did I understand.
"The wicked shall be turned into hell and all nations that forget God." It is a promise. Another promise is that not a hair of our heads shall perish. It should be a time of great rejoicing for the salvation of our God has come.
Praxeas
04-17-2007, 06:08 PM
This is a very spiritually astute post. Good. So much truth here.
In 1990, if I recall correctly, we were on vacation to the big apple. On the bow of the ferry coming back from Liberty Island, I gazed upon the looming twin towers of the WTC, directly ahead of me. Suddenly the Spirit of the Lord came upon me and I heard his voice say, "these buildings will tumble to the ground and will be no more." I turned to the wife standing behind me and told her and some of the children with me what the Spirit had just spoken to me. I wept almost uncontroably while standing on the furthers point of the bow. Actually, in my mind, I thought that the Lord was speaking of all those great buildings in New York. It was not until 9/11/01 did I understand.
"The wicked shall be turned into hell and all nations that forget God." It is a promise. Another promise is that not a hair of our heads shall perish. It should be a time of great rejoicing for the salvation of our God has come.
have you cataloged such things on the internet and are there still yet unfulfilled prophecies left?
I feel the letter to the Laodecians is appropriate to both the American churches (mainstream) and America
Rev 3:14 And to the angel of the church of the Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Head of the creation of God, says these things:
Rev 3:15 I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I would that you were cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because you say, I am rich and increased with goods and have need of nothing, and do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked,
Rev 3:18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold purified by fire, so that you may be rich; and white clothing, so that you may be clothed, and so that the shame of your nakedness does not appear. And anoint your eyes with eye salve, so that you may see.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten; therefore be zealous and repent.
Rev Dooley
04-17-2007, 06:46 PM
So this is all over standards? Please! Good grief!No, Rico it is all about holiness without which you will not see God. That my friend is Bible.
Whether you believe it or not is entirely up to you.
NI
Rev Dooley
04-17-2007, 06:50 PM
Hmmmm. I can tell by reading Thad's posts that this is something he's serious about. It would be nice if someone had a simple answer to soothe people's fears, but I too feel that this country's focus has shifted too far away from anything resembling a God fearing nation. 9/11 seemed to turn the tide for a time, but we seem to have the attention span of a kindergartner in this country.I can certainly agree with this.
When 9/11 hit. it was like America remembered that church existed.
A short time later, it no longer mattered. Bro Brian Kinsey told me that America had again fallen asleep. 9/11 only served to shake them and arouse them for a time, but their slumber returned.
Anytime something bad happens people start referring to preachers warning of bad things.
Since a lot of preachers preach that any given Sunday when bad things do happen someone can claim divine pre knowledge.
Kind of like the folks who think Hurricanes are judgement from God.
The VA Tech shooting are America's biggest mass murder in the form of shooting but not too far behind the nut in the 1990's who drove his pickup in to a Luby's in Killeen Texas then proceeded to shoot about 25 people to death.
That incident was the impeteus for many Southern states enacting "carry" laws. If some sane person in that restaurant had been carrying a licensed revolver he or she was trained to use they might could have killed the guy before he killed 25 people. Same thing in the VA tech incident. It is a shame most college professors are liberals. If they all were trained with pistols and had them they could have stopped this guy early on.
Praxeas
04-17-2007, 08:42 PM
Anytime something bad happens people start referring to preachers warning of bad things.
Since a lot of preachers preach that any given Sunday when bad things do happen someone can claim divine pre knowledge.
Kind of like the folks who think Hurricanes are judgement from God.
The VA Tech shooting are America's biggest mass murder in the form of shooting but not too far behind the nut in the 1990's who drove his pickup in to a Luby's in Killeen Texas then proceeded to shoot about 25 people to death.
That incident was the impeteus for many Southern states enacting "carry" laws. If some sane person in that restaurant had been carrying a licensed revolver he or she was trained to use they might could have killed the guy before he killed 25 people. Same thing in the VA tech incident. It is a shame most college professors are liberals. If they all were trained with pistols and had them they could have stopped this guy early on.
This thread is not about something bad happening and then saying "it was God"...nobody said anything here that the VA Tech shooting was the judgement of God and this thread actually started before it
I agree, there is a need for retrospect, examination, and spiritual introspection, but really, I have been hearing apocalyptic bad news since I have been in the church and frankly, I don't buy the emotional pull that gives it its legs.
There is a call, a need for consistent and constant examination, levelheaded reasoning, and not emotional, run-to the altar tonight because the sky is falling!!!!
When I hear this junk being spewed to Young people it really gets under my skin! Young people are impressionable and their futures are already uncertain enough with out people, preachers constantly telling them they have nothing to live for (in essence) so they should get to the altar NOW!
You have a good point, Carp.
sis. jill
04-17-2007, 09:18 PM
one of our associates taught the adult class today and told how the LOrd spoke to him as clearly as he has ever heard his voice. it was not just a thought but it was a word from the LOrd that America is getting ready for a time of Great sorrow.
when this person hears from the Lord I sit up and listen. He really hears from God and our pastor trust him too. He is not fluff, just a plain guy a straight shooter. He;'s told me things and it was always on
anyhow, he said he say a time coming soon when no one will be flying anywhere, no one will be taking holidays, all the planes will be empty, the vacation resorts will be empty, it will be a time of great terror.
I am sitting here trying to remember all that he said . I'll post more as it comes but it really has shaken me up. somehow I felt a witness in my spirit that this was true.
I was in San francisco Yesterday and i kept saying and thinking " Lord how long are you going to let all this sin go on and let our nation get by with this" and then here we are with today's bible study. I guess that was my answer.
the nation and church will be Judged according to this minister for the sins of our nation
any thoughts ? is this too negative to talk about ?
Our pastor was riding down the road a few weeks ago, coming home from Memphis near the airport and was thanking God for America and the privledge we have to be here. He said God spoke to him as plain as day and said, "It is time to weep for America." He preached about it and a powerful travail came over the church.
Brother Price
04-17-2007, 09:23 PM
Grace and peace be unto you in the name of our God and Father, the Eternal Judge, the Lord Jesus Christ.
The Lord is truly sounding the shofar in this hour. Who will listen? Who will heed? Is there not an ear open to what the Spirit is trying to say to us in this hour?
Judgment is coming, and coming swiftly. Those caught up in the sins of this world will be caught up in the judgments thereof. Those who have made a consecration in their heart will see the judgment, but it shall not nigh unto their homes. They will see it, but not experience or partake in it.
Church, are we ready? Some yes, but not all. We had better get ready.
Esther
04-18-2007, 08:41 AM
Do you think that this man's word carries the same authority?
How will you know that some bad calamity is judgment from God???? Remember 9/11?
Do you know believe that God speaks through His people today?
I thought God used vessels to speak through.
He does!
Anytime something bad happens people start referring to preachers warning of bad things.
Since a lot of preachers preach that any given Sunday when bad things do happen someone can claim divine pre knowledge.
Kind of like the folks who think Hurricanes are judgement from God.
And you don't?
The VA Tech shooting are America's biggest mass murder in the form of shooting but not too far behind the nut in the 1990's who drove his pickup in to a Luby's in Killeen Texas then proceeded to shoot about 25 people to death.
That incident was the impeteus for many Southern states enacting "carry" laws. If some sane person in that restaurant had been carrying a licensed revolver he or she was trained to use they might could have killed the guy before he killed 25 people. Same thing in the VA tech incident. It is a shame most college professors are liberals. If they all were trained with pistols and had them they could have stopped this guy early on.
I am concerned with several posters that are no longer a part of the organization that seems to have lost their belief in God speaking to His people through His people. Those that seem uncomfortable everytime judgement is mentioned.
JMO
Malvaro
04-18-2007, 08:50 AM
You have a good memory, Malvaro. :D
i have a pretty selective memory.... i just "selected" to try and remember that.... many other things I forget within just mere days....
Do you know believe that God speaks through His people today?
He does!
I am concerned with several posters that are no longer a part of the organization that seems to have lost their belief in God speaking to His people through His people. Those that seem uncomfortable everytime judgement is mentioned.
JMO
Esther, thank you for your concern though I think it is misguided.
My point is simply that there have been momentous catastrophes throughout history. Some are natural disasters like hurricanes and earthquakes and others are man made like World War II and it's concentration camps where millions of jews were exterminated.
I am not excluding the possibility that God can send corporate judgement on a group of people but I tend to think that in the New Covenant people are going to be judged and dealt with individually. Some here on earth as well as in the great white throne judgement.
If Iran gets a nuclear weapon and wipes Israrel off the face of the map is that God's judgment? I tend to think it would more be a work of the devil through militant Islamic nuts.
I am just very careful about labeling every bad thing that comes along as a judgement from God. I know people who do that at the drop of a hat.
I have no doubt that America may indeed be weeping sometime soon and not traveling by aircraft. However if it is due to another terrorist attack are you going to claim that is the judgemetn of God? If it is by Islamic terrorists I would say it is of the devil!!!!
Esther
04-18-2007, 10:16 AM
Esther, thank you for your concern though I think it is misguided.
My point is simply that there have been momentous catastrophes throughout history. Some are natural disasters like hurricanes and earthquakes and others are man made like World War II and it's concentration camps where millions of jews were exterminated.
I am not excluding the possibility that God can send corporate judgement on a group of people but I tend to think that in the New Covenant people are going to be judged and dealt with individually. Some here on earth as well as in the great white throne judgement.
If Iran gets a nuclear weapon and wipes Israrel off the face of the map is that God's judgment? I tend to think it would more be a work of the devil through militant Islamic nuts.
I am just very careful about labeling every bad thing that comes along as a judgement from God. I know people who do that at the drop of a hat.
I have no doubt that America may indeed be weeping sometime soon and not traveling by aircraft. However if it is due to another terrorist attack are you going to claim that is the judgemetn of God? If it is by Islamic terrorists I would say it is of the devil!!!!
I understand what you are saying. However, I do believe God uses/allows however you want to say it, evil people to accomplish His goal.
I don't think that everything that happens is of God either.
But when I hear prophecies given and confirmation given then, yes I believe it is of God.
I believe there is more very destroying Hurricanes coming that will be judgments of God.
JMO
I understand what you are saying. However, I do believe God uses/allows however you want to say it, evil people to accomplish His goal.
I don't think that everything that happens is of God either.
But when I hear prophecies given and confirmation given then, yes I believe it is of God.
I believe there is more very destroying Hurricanes coming that will be judgments of God.
JMO
Doesn't the Bible say God used Pharoah?
My problem with this line of 'prophesy" is that it has been consistantly said for the last 100 years.
eventually America is going to fall. History tells us that all nations that rise to power and greatness eventually fall.
so what every guy is prolcaiming the judgement of God at the moment America falls gets to be right. even if he isnt.
Therefore, I reject them all, while at the same time saying "the day cometh"
My problem with this line of 'prophesy" is that it has been consistantly said for the last 100 years.
eventually America is going to fall. History tells us that all nations that rise to power and greatness eventually fall.
so what every guy is prolcaiming the judgement of God at the moment America falls gets to be right. even if he isnt.
Therefore, I reject them all, while at the same time saying "the day cometh"
Didn't Noah preach for 100 years that it was gonna rain?
COOPER
04-18-2007, 03:04 PM
one of our associates taught the adult class today and told how the LOrd spoke to him as clearly as he has ever heard his voice. it was not just a thought but it was a word from the LOrd that America is getting ready for a time of Great sorrow.
when this person hears from the Lord I sit up and listen. He really hears from God and our pastor trust him too. He is not fluff, just a plain guy a straight shooter. He;'s told me things and it was always on
anyhow, he said he say a time coming soon when no one will be flying anywhere, no one will be taking holidays, all the planes will be empty, the vacation resorts will be empty, it will be a time of great terror.
I am sitting here trying to remember all that he said . I'll post more as it comes but it really has shaken me up. somehow I felt a witness in my spirit that this was true.
I was in San francisco Yesterday and i kept saying and thinking " Lord how long are you going to let all this sin go on and let our nation get by with this" and then here we are with today's bible study. I guess that was my answer.
the nation and church will be Judged according to this minister for the sins of our nation
any thoughts ? is this too negative to talk about ?
John 12:47
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
And If God was to judge, why would he not judge Godless nations that kill Christians?
The USA is very Jesus believing and evangelistic.
God will have to take the Church out of the away like Lot in Sodom.
I do not see God hurting his bride.
COOPER
04-18-2007, 03:19 PM
I also want to add.....
I had a dream, I trust from God, back in the early 90's before the gulf war.
I too saw no cars or planes.
The city of Norfolk, VA was walking through the underwater tunnels to Portsmouth,VA in suits, carrying brief cases.
I then was setting in the Portsmouth City Library.
I looked out the window and saw a Helicopter on the Landing pad.
I can believe in the prophecy.....But NOT Judgment.
Babylon will be destroyed in an Hour.
This could be the after affect. Which will bring sorrow to the world economy.
Didn't Noah preach for 100 years that it was gonna rain?
in context he lived for 950 years. in the life of ONE preacher, he preached a message for 12% of HIS life time.
Judgement of America has been preached since before the ink dried on the constitution.
beyond that, the end of the world has been preached from Peter and Paul right thru until today.
That doesnt mean it isnt coming. but it does mean I dont take a particular person serious when he has "heard from God" that the end is near.
Esther
04-18-2007, 03:35 PM
My problem with this line of 'prophesy" is that it has been consistantly said for the last 100 years.
eventually America is going to fall. History tells us that all nations that rise to power and greatness eventually fall.
so what every guy is prolcaiming the judgement of God at the moment America falls gets to be right. even if he isnt.
Therefore, I reject them all, while at the same time saying "the day cometh"
I have a lived a long time and been in the church a long time, but it is only recently that "I" have heard prophecies given against America.
Glenda B
04-18-2007, 03:37 PM
I think that is everyone's point too.
Or most everyone. some obviously don't believe anything could happen to us and that God will not judge america for her sins
What are your thoughts on Hurricane Katrina? It devastated the Mississippi Gulf Coast. It destroyed Casino's down there, needless to say that was some of the first things they started erecting. Did people who frequent those places get the message that God was sending them?
I have a lived a long time and been in the church a long time, but it is only recently that "I" have heard prophecies given against America.
Esther, Ive heard it my whole life. I dont know where youve been living?
I grew up in fear of the rapture and a soviet invasion. Any time I couldnt find my mom i had panic attacks for fear Gawd had come back and I got left!
I even had contengency plans that included getting caught and having my head chopped off so I could go to heaven.
Gods judgement has always been a big player.
I have a lived a long time and been in the church a long time, but it is only recently that "I" have heard prophecies given against America.
It may be part of the "victim" mentality that seems to have taken hold of America.
People only see the bad anymore. They forget that despite it's flaws (and there are many) it is still the greatest nation on earth and the center of freedom.
We take so much for granted here.
I have a lived a long time and been in the church a long time, but it is only recently that "I" have heard prophecies given against America.
I have to agree with you there. Of course, I am only 40, so I haven't been around all that long, but it seems the "coming judgement on America" theme is relatively new.
It may be part of the "victim" mentality that seems to have taken hold of America.
People only see the bad anymore. They forget that despite it's flaws (and there are many) it is still the greatest nation on earth and the center of freedom.
We take so much for granted here.
I really think there is a sense of forboding right now. I dont think people see America winning in Iraq and that leads to people thinking that the terrorists can get here and blow us up. that leads to a natural feeling that our days are numbered.
who knows how it will all turn out.
I have to agree with you there. Of course, I am only 40, so I haven't been around all that long, but it seems the "coming judgement on America" theme is relatively new.
were you in the church in the 70's
where in the world were you in 1988??????
were you in the church in the 70's
where in the world were you in 1988??????
Brother, I was a kid in the 70s and not really paying all that much attention to what was going on in church. In 1988 I was 21, living in CA, and not in church at all.
RevDWW
04-18-2007, 04:25 PM
What are your thoughts on Hurricane Katrina? It devastated the Mississippi Gulf Coast. It destroyed Casino's down there, needless to say that was some of the first things they started erecting. Did people who frequent those places get the message that God was sending them?
Don't you think if God wanted to bring judgement on N.O. , He would have targeted the French Quarter a little harder............:winkgrin
Brother, I was a kid in the 70s and not really paying all that much attention to what was going on in church. In 1988 I was 21, living in CA, and not in church at all.
Trust me. the Judgement of God was all the rage. I was a kid in the 70's too and lived in constant fear!
then in the late 80's there was a book 88 reasons why the Lord is coming back in 1988" it made the rounds and everyone was preaching about the terrible day of the lord.
1988 is 40 years, 1 generation away from 1948 when Isreal became a nation.
then we had a whole new round at the end of the Clinton years with the recession and economic uncertainty. then there was the whole "9/11 is Gods Judgement" thing.
I wasnt alive in the 1960's but ive heard many times about the preaching concerning Isreal and all that went on especially during the 6 days war in 1968.
Bro, "the end of the world" is an often used refrain. Every decade has had some version of it.
remember the entire christian world thought the world would in in the year 1000.
Glenda B
04-18-2007, 04:31 PM
Don't you think if God wanted to bring judgement on N.O. , He would have targeted the French Quarter a little harder............:winkgrin
I'm not really familiar with NO, the reason I only mentioned the Miss. Gulf Coast. Maybe someone familiar with NO can answer that question.
Trust me. the Judgement of God was all the rage. I was a kid in the 70's too and lived in constant fear!
then in the late 80's there was a book 88 reasons why the Lord is coming back in 1988" it made the rounds and everyone was preaching about the terrible day of the lord.
1988 is 40 years, 1 generation away from 1948 when Isreal became a nation.
then we had a whole new round at the end of the Clinton years with the recession and economic uncertainty. then there was the whole "9/11 is Gods Judgement" thing.
I wasnt alive in the 1960's but ive heard many times about the preaching concerning Isreal and all that went on especially during the 6 days war in 1968.
Bro, "the end of the world" is an often used refrain. Every decade has had some version of it.
remember the entire christian world thought the world would in in the year 1000.
Yeah, but I thought we were talking about America being judged, not necessarily the end of the world. This country can get judged and the world not come to an end.
Yeah, but I thought we were talking about America being judged, not necessarily the end of the world. This country can get judged and the world not come to an end.
America being judged/the end of the world. really it is the same thing just new packaging.
the 70's was all about America being judged. so were the 1930s and 1890's
Praxeas
04-18-2007, 06:59 PM
Here is something that I feel to question. If Revelation is true and those prophecies have not happened yet, why is God judging America when we read judgement being pretty universal? Or am I wrong about that? And why not judge China, an atheist nation that has been persecuting Christians for a long time now
Praxeas
04-18-2007, 07:02 PM
Oh and I did not see a response to this before, but the no airplanes? The hotels being empty...didn't that already happen just after 9/11?
Here is something that I feel to question. If Revelation is true and those prophecies have not happened yet, why is God judging America when we read judgement being pretty universal? Or am I wrong about that? And why not judge China, an atheist nation that has been persecuting Christians for a long time now
Prax, I can't say. Maybe it's because the Bible says judgement begins at the house of God and America is supposedly a Christian nation?
Praxeas
04-18-2007, 07:10 PM
Prax, I can't say. Maybe it's because the Bible says judgement begins at the house of God and America is supposedly a Christian nation?
That is something else...can we say that since the inception of the NT church that God has still been in the business of judging nations?
And if so, has He been sending them prophets to warn them? How many righteous are left in America if God is going to judge it?
All I know is that Judgement is nearer now than when I first started walking with him.
Have we heard it so often that we are immune to it's effects?
Can the thought of judgement coming drive us to a place of prayer once more?
All I know is that Judgement is nearer now than when I first started walking with him.
Have we heard it so often that we are immune to it's effects?
Can the thought of judgement coming drive us to a place of prayer once more?
Every day judgement is nearer. I don't need people predicting national catastrophe's and asserting they are God's judgement to make me cognizent of that.
My aggravation is that the first thought of people is negative when it comes to something happening to America. It immediately just has to be judgement.
How about it possibly being EVIL, being SATAN!!!!!
Some Christians have a persecution complex and paint everything one way. At least consider the alternatives to something bad being a judgement from God.
Jekyll
04-19-2007, 06:55 AM
One thing is for sure...
It's not a good time to be reprobate
Esther
04-19-2007, 02:16 PM
were you in the church in the 70's
where in the world were you in 1988??????
That was to the world not just America.
HolyFire
06-28-2008, 08:18 AM
I just came across this thread and God spoke this to me in prayer the other day:
"I am tired of the stench of America's sin in my nostrils."
A day or two later I read 2Co 2:15, which says were are a sweet savour (smell) unto God through Jesus Christ. Could the church becoming worldly and His ministers falling asleep at the wheel cause the savour of our devotion, worship, evangelism and prayers to become faint compared to the putrid stench of a baby-killing, homosexual embracing/promoting society?
Mr. Steinway
06-28-2008, 09:19 AM
This thread has made me think of Edward Gibbon's monumental The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.
Gibbon gave the following reasons for the decline and demise of Rome:
The rapid increase of divorce
The undermining of the dignity and sanctity of the home
Higher and higher taxes
The spending of public monies for free bread
The circuses for the populace
The mad craze for pleasure — sports becoming every year more exciting and more brutal
The building of gigantic armaments when the real enemy was within the decadence of the people
The decay of religion — faith fading into mere form and becoming unable to guide the people.
What Gibbon wrote in the 18th century speaks loud and clear to the 21st century. There are warnings for us from the fall of Rome. That which threatens the home and church, jeopardizes the country.
Michael The Disciple
06-28-2008, 06:11 PM
Stop and think about it. The judgment has already started. Over the next year or so will we be able to get gas? Will we be able to get food? Parts of the country are in floods parts are in drought. Its already here.
Praxeas
06-28-2008, 06:15 PM
Stop and think about it. The judgment has already started. Over the next year or so will we be able to get gas? Will we be able to get food? Parts of the country are in floods parts are in drought. Its already here.
We've always had parts of the country in drought and floods though.
Michael The Disciple
06-28-2008, 07:55 PM
We've always had parts of the country in drought and floods though.
Hi Prax,
Thats what people always think when judgment starts. These things are ordered of themselves. It is not the Lord. Whoever abides in the secret place will come out all right. All things work together for their good. Redeem the time for the days are evil.
gloryseeker
06-28-2008, 08:46 PM
We've always had parts of the country in drought and floods though.
Hey, don't forget about us out here in California...we're on fire!!!!
Oh yea, we're on fire every year...sorry! :bliss
Bro-Larry
07-07-2008, 09:54 AM
one of our associates taught the adult class today and told how the LOrd spoke to him as clearly as he has ever heard his voice. it was not just a thought but it was a word from the LOrd that America is getting ready for a time of Great sorrow.
when this person hears from the Lord I sit up and listen. He really hears from God and our pastor trust him too. He is not fluff, just a plain guy a straight shooter. He;'s told me things and it was always on
anyhow, he said he say a time coming soon when no one will be flying anywhere, no one will be taking holidays, all the planes will be empty, the vacation resorts will be empty, it will be a time of great terror.
I am sitting here trying to remember all that he said . I'll post more as it comes but it really has shaken me up. somehow I felt a witness in my spirit that this was true.
I was in San francisco Yesterday and i kept saying and thinking " Lord how long are you going to let all this sin go on and let our nation get by with this" and then here we are with today's bible study. I guess that was my answer.
the nation and church will be Judged according to this minister for the sins of our nation
any thoughts ? is this too negative to talk about ?
That could very easily, come to pass if the price of energy keeps going up.
Personally, I wouldn't blame that on God. The Democrats in Congress have voted down all opportunities for us to become energy independent. I lay that charge right at their feet.
Timmy
07-07-2008, 10:06 AM
One thing is for sure...
It's not a good time to be reprobate
Is there ever a good time? :lol
deltaguitar
07-07-2008, 10:26 AM
When Clinton was elected all the churches were saying that the end it near. Now that it looks like Obama might be elected they are doing the same thing over again.
I am not sure about judgment and all of that but God will have a church and he wins in the end. I am not to worried.
Mr. Steinway
07-07-2008, 10:35 AM
America is blessed and highly favored of God! We'll be alright for a few more decades! :)
(Just trying to present a different point of view!):)
MamaHen
07-15-2008, 10:36 AM
one of our associates taught the adult class today and told how the LOrd spoke to him as clearly as he has ever heard his voice. it was not just a thought but it was a word from the LOrd that America is getting ready for a time of Great sorrow.
when this person hears from the Lord I sit up and listen. He really hears from God and our pastor trust him too. He is not fluff, just a plain guy a straight shooter. He;'s told me things and it was always on
anyhow, he said he say a time coming soon when no one will be flying anywhere, no one will be taking holidays, all the planes will be empty, the vacation resorts will be empty, it will be a time of great terror.
I am sitting here trying to remember all that he said . I'll post more as it comes but it really has shaken me up. somehow I felt a witness in my spirit that this was true.
I was in San francisco Yesterday and i kept saying and thinking " Lord how long are you going to let all this sin go on and let our nation get by with this" and then here we are with today's bible study. I guess that was my answer.
the nation and church will be Judged according to this minister for the sins of our nation
any thoughts ? is this too negative to talk about ?
*The dollar's value is in a tailspin. (Economic Stimulus packages don't help)
*The economy is dissolving.
*Gas prices and Grocery Prices through the roof, and only going higher.
*The constitution is being hacked to pieces.
*All of the three branches of government think they can make their own laws, or ignore whatever ones they want.
*Our government can spy on anyone they want, or have someone else do it for them (and then retroactively grant them immunity for breaking the law)
*Our nation is beating the war drums with Iran while already at war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
*Flooding, Tornadoes, Wildfires....
Yeah, I'd say we're on the verge of some really bad times
gloryseeker
07-15-2008, 04:33 PM
*The dollar's value is in a tailspin. (Economic Stimulus packages don't help)
*The economy is dissolving.
*Gas prices and Grocery Prices through the roof, and only going higher.
*The constitution is being hacked to pieces.
*All of the three branches of government think they can make their own laws, or ignore whatever ones they want.
*Our government can spy on anyone they want, or have someone else do it for them (and then retroactively grant them immunity for breaking the law)
*Our nation is beating the war drums with Iran while already at war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
*Flooding, Tornadoes, Wildfires....
Yeah, I'd say we're on the verge of some really bad times
Hmmmm, seems to me like most are saying we are in the time of the end and Jesus said that the time of the end would be as in the times of Noah and of Sodom...both were economically strong, in fact things were so good that no one headed the calls of warning.
Just a thought for all the doomsdayers
MamaHen
07-18-2008, 05:58 AM
I'd say they didn't heed the calls of warning because they were too caught up in their wickedness and sinful lives.
Have you seen San Fran lately? Or the laws that are passing all across the country?
<shudder>
Timmy
07-18-2008, 07:36 AM
I'd say they didn't heed the calls of warning because they were too caught up in their wickedness and sinful lives.
Have you seen San Fran lately? Or the laws that are passing all across the country?
<shudder>
Drove through on my way to the GG Bridge, a few weeks ago. Had the car exorcised when I got back. No biggie.
:whistle
iceniez
08-26-2008, 09:21 AM
I don't Know how long ago this was posted, But our Pastor has been teaching on this same subject. My question is,Is it possiable that God is sending a warning to his people not not that he is sending judgement,but we need to be aware that theese things are going to happen? After all does not the book of Rev warn of satan's wrath being directed toward the saints. Even in Matt 24 Jesus gives warnings to those that are his.
iceniez
08-26-2008, 09:30 AM
I'm not saying that it is not Judgement,but if one is in good grace with Jesus that person has no worry of Judgement but if however one is not ok with God then there is a need for repentence .
iceniez
08-26-2008, 11:15 AM
I also feel that we are headed for an awakening coming [ a shaking ] and we need to be ready and willing to wittness for Jesus through it. That is how revival will come . Saving some as pulling them out of the fire. {or offering an escape route }.
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