UPC Dist. Supt. Forbidding Pastors from Advertising!!!!!!!!!!

[Thad]

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Did you Hear that a UPC District Supt. Has sent out a letter to all the Pastors in his district forbidding them from advertising ????????????????????


Does he have the authority over his district to do this ??? what's the rules?


I would like your opinons on this ??

[pentecostisalive]

Good for him.

[chaotic_resolve]

This is strictly hypothetical . . . but if I were a licensed minister in that district and I wanted to advertise on television . . . let the DS send all the letters "forbidding" what he may, doesn't matter. It was voted and approved by a majority with no amendments granting any oversight by either HQ or individual districts.

Of course, I'd have to consult the manual for the official rules concerning what the DS can/cannot do when something has been officially passed by the organization as a whole.

[Thad]

This is not the bombshell i have coming!!! hold on to your hats!!!!

[Thad]

Good for him.


OKay but what if the manual says one thing but the DS says another?

who prevails in this matter ?

[chaotic_resolve]

oh good grief, just post it already! LoL I've been working all night and am waiting to crash for a while. I'm afraid if I do that before you post, it will most likely be gone by the time I wake up. At least, that's what usually happens.

[Sarah]

This is not the bombshell i have coming!!! hold on to your hats!!!!

Hurry, Thad! I have to leave here in a little while.......

[chseeads]

We're holding, Thad. Be sure and post it before you forget about it though.

[Thad]

what happend is, I couldn't find it - i thought i might have accidently deleted the email so I'm waiting too !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Thad]

I believe the district could pass a resolution banning TV advertising in their district. I could be wrong.


now that would be interesting!

If that's possible, I could see that happening in CA.

[chaotic_resolve]

I believe the district could pass a resolution banning TV advertising in their district. I could be wrong.
Possibly. But it would be a little hard to enforce . . . especially if anyone in that district wanted to use tv ads. Could get messy since the organization has already voted to allow it.

[pentecostisalive]

now that would be interesting!

If that's possible, I could see that happening in CA.

I don't think it would serve any purpose, because a majority of the UPCI voted for it, and with many churches leaving a resolution would not pass at the district level anyway.

[Thad]

I don't think it would serve any purpose, because a majority of the UPCI voted for it, and with many churches leaving a resolution would not pass at the district level anyway.


I take it you was for the resolution?

[AtlantaBishop]

DS - Do Not Go Into All The World! Do Not Preach The Gospel To Every One!
Only the selected Holy ones need to hear the message OVER and OVER and OVER and ......................... again!

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by pentecostisalive
I believe the district could pass a resolution banning TV advertising in their district. I could be wrong.

Possibly... Of course that would be passing a resolution of disagreement with the org.

But... should that be possible... a letter put out to a district by the district superintendent would not, in any way, constitute such a district resolution nor would it have any weight of authority whatsoever.

I think this brother is too used to being able to tell people what to do even when he has no authority to do so.

[LadyRev]

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Did you Hear that a UPC District Supt. Has sent out a letter to all the Pastors in his district forbidding them from advertising ????????????????????


Does he have the authority over his district to do this ??? what's the rules?


I would like your opinons on this ??

OH BOY! Theres much I could say...but all I will say is there are lots of loopholes on both sides of this fence. For good or for bad, the loopholes exist.

[Thad]

DS - Do Not Go Into All The World! Do Not Preach The Gospel To Every One!
Only the selected Holy ones need to hear the message OVER and OVER and OVER and ......................... again!



BTW, you might be interested in knowing, If i got my information right, I believe this comes from the lovely state of Georiga!!!! your opinion on that ??? :pirate

[pentecostisalive]

I take it you was for the resolution?

Nope, I was and am against it. I just don't think it would serve any purpose. The majority has stated the direction of their boat, and many are unhappy with that direction, including myself. A district resolution will not change that direction.

The chances of a district resolution passing will be low, especially after the Tulsa Meeting, when another choose is available for strong, conservative brethren.

[AtlantaBishop]

I am NOT surprised! I told our former DS (when he began to tell me where I could preach and who I BETTER NOT fellowship) I love you, I honor you as the District Superintendent - but you are NOT my Bishop and you cannot tell me who I can fellowship and who I CANNOT preach for.
I preached on TV and Radio and was on Rod Parsleys and TD Jakes platform every time they came to town and there were UPC people that ran to their pastors and told them and then it would get the DS all wound up.
It is all about control. They are only doing what they have learned from the unlearned ones before them. Those tactics will NOT work in the 21st century.

[SoCaliUPC]

now that would be interesting!

If that's possible, I could see that happening in CA.

In the NORTHern part of California.......... :runhills

[Scott Hutchinson]

Does a DS outtrump the manual ?

[Thad]

In the NORTHern part of California.......... :runhills


that is TRUE!!!

and you LIBERALS in Southern CALIF. ! ! ! ! !

[SoCaliUPC]

that is TRUE!!!

and you LIBERALS in Southern CALIF. ! ! ! ! !

....is where you really want to be!!! :pirate

[crakjak]

that is TRUE!!!

and you LIBERALS in Southern CALIF. ! ! ! ! !

Okay, Thaddie what is the bombshell, we don't have all day!!:pirate

[Thad]

....is where you really want to be!!! :pirate


the ultra cons are all leaving up here .

[Thad]

Okay, Thaddie what is the bombshell, we don't have all day!!:pirate


And here you were one of the ones that complain about TT !!!


things that never fail to surprise me !!!!!!!

[SoCaliUPC]

the ultra cons are all leaving up here .

Then definately you need to come on down!! Besides, it is not raining and cold here. You guys have got the brunt of that last storm.

[DividedThigh]

the othere question is can the district pass a resolution to override the manual, could this turn into a power struggle, goodness, if you dont like it, leave, why fight and cause even more division and strife, grief, imho,dt:hypercoffee

[crakjak]

And here you were one of the ones that complain about TT !!!


things that never fail to surprise me !!!!!!!

No way, man, I was just funning you, I always read your "flashes", you are the spice of this forum. You totally misunderstand my intent.:snapout:snapout

Thad Rocks!!

[Thad]

Then definately you need to come on down!! Besides, it is not raining and cold here. You guys have got the brunt of that last storm.


It's not raining or cold here. it's been around 80 most of the time

It poured friday night but that's it. that was unusual for this time of year!

I think north L.A county got the worst with that tunnel closing and all

[Thad]

No way, man, I was just funning you, I always read your "flashes", you are the spice of this forum. You totally misunderstand my intent.:snapout:snapout

Thad Rocks!!


I vividly recall you and I having a blowout- refresh my memory :hypercoffee

[papapraiz]

Please give us the name and facts and stop posting speculation!

Reading "Thads Threads" are reading tabliods!

[Thad]

the othere question is can the district pass a resolution to override the manual, could this turn into a power struggle, goodness, if you dont like it, leave, why fight and cause even more division and strife, grief, imho,dt:hypercoffee


I'm real interested in this!

if a DS can call the shots on this, it just might save the split from happening

[Thad]

Please give us the name and facts and stop posting speculation!

Reading "Thads Threads" are reading tabliods!


name and facts on this topic ?

[DividedThigh]

I'm real interested in this!

if a DS can call the shots on this, it just might save the split from happening

well it would be good if a split didnt happen my friend, but i hear it is happening, soon, dt:hypercoffee

[Thad]

well it would be good if a split didnt happen my friend, but i hear it is happening, soon, dt:hypercoffee

and your opinion on it is ???

[James Griffin]

I'm real interested in this!

if a DS can call the shots on this, it just might save the split from happening

My friend the Thad, unfortunately it would be diametrically the opposite. It would be an overt declaration of civil war. This time instead of state's rights versus federal, it would be organization vs district.

Split is unfortunately inevitable, it will also continue. It is merely reaping the seed which was sown in 1992.

[Thad]

My friend the Thad, unfortunately it would be diametrically the opposite. It would be an overt declaration of civil war. This time instead of state's rights versus federal, it would be organization vs district.

Split is unfortunately inevitable, it will also continue. It is merely reaping the seed which was sown in 1992.


care to elaborate on that please ?

[Ferd]

is there a letter that has been sent out that we can see?

I would like to read it.

I think if I was in that dristrict, I would run the add and mail a copy to all the ministers in the dristrict....even if I didnt want to run an ad.

THEN if the DS said a single word, I would get my license from another friendly district. knucklehead.

[Thad]

is there a letter that has been sent out that we can see?

I would like to read it.

I think if I was in that dristrict, I would run the add and mail a copy to all the ministers in the dristrict....even if I didnt want to run an ad.

THEN if the DS said a single word, I would get my license from another friendly district. knucklehead.


The person (never to be revealed)that has the letter is afraid to post it but believe me, they are credible. I'll post it if I can get my hands on it AND if admin ALLOW IT:woohoo

[LaGirl]

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Did you Hear that a UPC District Supt. Has sent out a letter to all the Pastors in his district forbidding them from advertising ????????????????????


Does he have the authority over his district to do this ??? what's the rules?


I would like your opinons on this ??



i dont know the rules, but i would think he has NO SAY SO in the matter????

[Thad]

i dont know the rules, but i would think he has NO SAY SO in the matter????


but what if it was TFT forbidding something??

would not the La. Brethren obey or Pay??????????????????????????

[LaGirl]

....is where you really want to be!!! :pirate

:heeheehee

[LaGirl]

but what if it was TFT forbidding something??

would not the La. Brethren obey or Pay??????????????????????????

i know bro barnes would obey TF....

so i guess you go on: do you want to obey your DS out of respect...or go on TV because it passed and you can.

i would not think the DS would any longer have control other than....asking not to do it. not forbidding.

[DividedThigh]

and your opinion on it is ???

i think it should happen, the ultra cons , holier than me people need to go off and be holy and let me live for god, imho, dt:hypercoffee

[James Griffin]

care to elaborate on that please ?

Not in this thread.

However, Dan, Tim and others have alluded to it numerous times in other threads, though perhaps not with recognition of the tie-in to current events. Suffice it to say that in 1992 the organization violated the spirit of their 1945 meager agreement and chose intolerance over unity. The spirit behind that decision bore fruit in the past GC and will continue to do so until exorcised.

It is one of the ironies of history that many who were behind the resolution which caused the divisiveness then are the among those now threatening to leave now.

[Thad]

Not in this thread.

However, Dan, Tim and others have alluded to it numerous times in other threads, though perhaps not with recognition of the tie-in to current events. Suffice it to say that in 1992 the organization violated the spirit of their 1945 meager agreement and chose intolerance over unity. The spirit behind that decision bore fruit in the past GC and will continue to do so until exorcised.

It is one of the ironies of history that many who were behind the resolution which caused the divisiveness then are the among those now threatening to leave now.


and you are talking about the CONSERVATIVES Right ?????

[RevBuddy]

Thad... Welcome back...what a refreshing discovery upon signing in today!

The Thadmeister is back...all right!! :tiphat

[James Griffin]

and you are talking about the CONSERVATIVES Right ?????

As I would understand your use of the word Conservative, it would be along "holiness" lines, and therefore I would answer the question No. The unity issue proclaimed in 1945 and violated in 1992 was more salvation than standards.

Some of the men forced out were of the highest standards. However, my comment went not to picking a side on EITHER issue, but rather to the spirit of intolerance over unity. It is that spirit which manifested itself again in 2007, and will continue to bear fruit until exorcised.

[crakjak]

I vividly recall you and I having a blowout- refresh my memory :hypercoffee

I think we understand each other better now, sometimes confrontation brings understanding, wouldn't you agree?:scoregood

[Thad]

As I would understand your use of the word Conservative, it would be along "holiness" lines, and therefore I would answer the question No. The unity issue proclaimed in 1945 and violated in 1992 was more salvation than standards.

Some of the men forced out were of the highest standards. However, my comment went not to picking a side on EITHER issue, but rather to the spirit of intolerance over unity. It is that spirit which manifested itself again in 2007, and will continue to bear fruit until exorcised.


well, what side did you pick in '92 ?

what will "exorcise" this spirit of intolerance as you refer to ?

[Felicity]

Not in this thread.

However, Dan, Tim and others have alluded to it numerous times in other threads, though perhaps not with recognition of the tie-in to current events. Suffice it to say that in 1992 the organization violated the spirit of their 1945 meager agreement and chose intolerance over unity. The spirit behind that decision bore fruit in the past GC and will continue to do so until exorcised.

It is one of the ironies of history that many who were behind the resolution which caused the divisiveness then are the among those now threatening to leave now.:nod

[Ferd]

The person (never to be revealed)that has the letter is afraid to post it but believe me, they are credible. I'll post it if I can get my hands on it AND if admin ALLOW IT:woohoo

You know, this is one of those deals, that if we can prove that the DS sent this to everyone in his district, then they ought to have no problem with that information being public.


However, the fact that the fellow remains unnamed, I get to say how stupid this act is without bashing an individual.... if he is revealed, I have to be nice.

I dont want to be nice. I

[AtlantaBishop]

I just talked to a District Board member that said - Two letters were sent out by the DS - but they did not FORBID anyone from advertising but did state in very emphatic terms their opposition in anyone having a TV and against advertising on TV! LOL

This board member and others do call me and let me know that they have seen me on TV! I am not even sure when I am on - it takes preachers that don't have TV to call me and let me know!

He was sure to tell me again at the end of our conversation that - I DO NOT HAVE A TELEVISION! They are just time wasters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Glad I got that straight!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SDG]

I just talked to a District Board member that said - Two letters were sent out by the DS - but they did not FORBID anyone from advertising but did state in very emphatic terms their opposition in anyone having a TV and against advertising on TV! LOL

This board member and others do call me and let me know that they have seen me on TV! I am not even sure when I am on - it takes preachers that don't have TV to call me and let me know!

He was sure to tell me again at the end of our conversation that - I DO NOT HAVE A TELEVISION! They are just time wasters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Glad I got that straight!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Strong-arming ... shameful

[Ferd]

well I feel better. I dont mind a DS sending a letter stating clearly that NO TV in the home is the standard, as this is still the standard.

Nor do I have an issue with a DS sending a letter telling those in his district that he personally is opposed to running ads.

neither smaks of being a bully nor of defying the will of the National body.

["GL"]

You mean Thad got it wrong again?!?!

I don't believe it...

:drama

[SoCaliUPC]

I just talked to a District Board member that said - Two letters were sent out by the DS - but they did not FORBID anyone from advertising but did state in very emphatic terms their opposition in anyone having a TV and against advertising on TV! LOL

This board member and others do call me and let me know that they have seen me on TV! I am not even sure when I am on - it takes preachers that don't have TV to call me and let me know!

He was sure to tell me again at the end of our conversation that - I DO NOT HAVE A TELEVISION! They are just time wasters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Glad I got that straight!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You know and I know they probably have a TV. It really amazes me how many state that but always say, "I saw you on...." I've heard it maaaany times.

[AtlantaBishop]

You know and I know they probably have a TV. It really amazes me how many state that but always say, "I saw you on...." I've heard it maaaany times.

I get calls from old friends in it all the time that tell me they saw me on somebodies program. How can they watch me if they do not have a TV?

[Digging4Truth]

well I feel better. I dont mind a DS sending a letter stating clearly that NO TV in the home is the standard, as this is still the standard.

For preachers or for the average UPC church goer?

[James Griffin]

what will "exorcise" this spirit of intolerance as you refer to ?
A place to start would be realization that the OFFICIAL Articles of Faith contain the following "unity clause" with the Fundamental Doctrine statement:



. We shall endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit until we all come into the unity of the faith, at the same time admonishing all brethren that they shall not contend for their different views to the disunity of the body. "

Without this Fundamental Doctrine (lifted directly from the Articles of Faith,) the two organizations which merged to form the UNITED Pentecostal Church would not have done so.

In 1992, resolutions were passed which attacked this foundational premise, the fruit of which will continue to be harvested until brethren realize that there are different views in the Apostolic movement, and neither view should be contended to the point of disunity of the body.

IF a DS were to try to superimpose his belief system over that of the majority vote of the national organization, it would merely be a perpetuation of what was birthed then.

To stop this further fragmentation would require nothing less than a groundswell movement to embrace this unity clause concept with something more than lipservice.

[James Griffin]

I get calls from old friends in it all the time that tell me they saw me on somebodies program. How can they watch me if they do not have a TV?

You doubt the ability of such spiritual men to see visions by the Holy Spirit!!

[AtlantaBishop]

You doubt the ability of such spiritual men to see visions by the Holy Spirit!!

Oh - SORRY! LOL

[Truly Blessed]

A place to start would be realization that the OFFICIAL Articles of Faith contain the following "unity clause" with the Fundamental Doctrine statement:



. We shall endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit until we all come into the unity of the faith, at the same time admonishing all brethren that they shall not contend for their different views to the disunity of the body. "

Without this Fundamental Doctrine (lifted directly from the Articles of Faith,) the two organizations which merged to form the UNITED Pentecostal Church would not have done so.

In 1992, resolutions were passed which attacked this foundational premise, the fruit of which will continue to be harvested until brethren realize that there are different views in the Apostolic movement, and neither view should be contended to the point of disunity of the body.

IF a DS were to try to superimpose his belief system over that of the majority vote of the national organization, it would merely be a perpetuation of what was birthed then.

To stop this further fragmentation would require nothing less than a groundswell movement to embrace this unity clause concept with something more than lipservice.

I wholeheartedly agree with your conclusion here. While arguing the intent of the Fundamental Doctrine statement as it concerns "full" salvation, they seem to overlook or downplay the weight of the statement on unity. I also find it interesting that those who were strongest in pushing through the AS resolution, now find themselves in the position of having to decide whether they should stay or not. IMHO, it would have been better for the UPCI had they been the ones who left in the 90's, since everyone knew it was inevitable that they would ultimately find the org. too liberal for them anyway and end up leaving.

[MrsMcD]

well I feel better. I dont mind a DS sending a letter stating clearly that NO TV in the home is the standard, as this is still the standard.

Nor do I have an issue with a DS sending a letter telling those in his district that he personally is opposed to running ads.

neither smaks of being a bully nor of defying the will of the National body.

I can see a DS stating that he prefers no TV in the home but to ask pastors not to advertise on TV after it has been approved by the UPCI doesn't make much sense.

[Ferd]

For preachers or for the average UPC church goer?
Preachers. the bylaws are about preachers.

[COOPER]

I am NOT surprised! I told our former DS (when he began to tell me where I could preach and who I BETTER NOT fellowship) I love you, I honor you as the District Superintendent - but you are NOT my Bishop and you cannot tell me who I can fellowship and who I CANNOT preach for.
I preached on TV and Radio and was on Rod Parsleys and TD Jakes platform every time they came to town and there were UPC people that ran to their pastors and told them and then it would get the DS all wound up.
It is all about control. They are only doing what they have learned from the unlearned ones before them. Those tactics will NOT work in the 21st century.

BULLS EYE! :fireworks:happydance:hanky:dance:woot

[dizzyde]

In the NORTHern part of California.......... :runhills

OH NO YOU DI'ENT!!!! :smack

LOL!!! :slaphappy
I know I have my own personal preference for that dividing line, but nobody wants to listen to me! :search :nobodycares
:grumpy

[aquestioninggirl]

I get calls from old friends in it all the time that tell me they saw me on somebodies program. How can they watch me if they do not have a TV?

Even if they do not have a TV should they be watching a TV? We were taught at church that we could not even watch TV!!!

[tv1a]

The DS holds the trump card. The District Blacklist...

[CC1]

I wholeheartedly agree with your conclusion here. While arguing the intent of the Fundamental Doctrine statement as it concerns "full" salvation, they seem to overlook or downplay the weight of the statement on unity. I also find it interesting that those who were strongest in pushing through the AS resolution, now find themselves in the position of having to decide whether they should stay or not. IMHO, it would have been better for the UPCI had they been the ones who left in the 90's, since everyone knew it was inevitable that they would ultimately find the org. too liberal for them anyway and end up leaving.


Have you made Felicity a complete woman yet by getting your UPC license back?:hypercoffee

Should we be expecting a new UPC fellowship to be springing up in the Toronto area?

[Dora]

I wholeheartedly agree with your conclusion here. While arguing the intent of the Fundamental Doctrine statement as it concerns "full" salvation, they seem to overlook or downplay the weight of the statement on unity. I also find it interesting that those who were strongest in pushing through the AS resolution, now find themselves in the position of having to decide whether they should stay or not. IMHO, it would have been better for the UPCI had they been the ones who left in the 90's, since everyone knew it was inevitable that they would ultimately find the org. too liberal for them anyway and end up leaving.

Are you planning to get re-licensed with the UPC?

Just CURIOUS. Do you support and promote the UPC version of holiness standards?

Is Felicity willing to give up make-up, jewelry, hair cutting and wearing of men's apparel????

And are you ready to give up your TV's???

[JaneEyre]

Dora, is this just being a wee bit intrusive???...Just kidding with ya, but it would be intrusive for me to do it.


:runhills

[stmatthew]

Have you made Felicity a complete woman yet by getting your UPC license back?:hypercoffee

Should we be expecting a new UPC fellowship to be springing up in the Toronto area?

I seem to remember someone saying God told them that the "best days of the UPCI are over with". Of course I agree with this statement. Makes me wonder why someone would want to go join back up with a "has been" org. :nah

[Felicity]

I seem to remember someone saying God told them that the "best days of the UPCI are over with". Of course I agree with this statement. Makes me wonder why someone would want to go join back up with a "has been" org. :nahI made the statement. I stand by it. Seems like current events of the last decade are bearing it out.

[Felicity]

I seem to remember someone saying God told them that the "best days of the UPCI are over with". Of course I agree with this statement. Makes me wonder why someone would want to go join back up with a "has been" org. :nahBest days in the past does not = a "has been" organization.

[DividedThigh]

I seem to remember someone saying God told them that the "best days of the UPCI are over with". Of course I agree with this statement. Makes me wonder why someone would want to go join back up with a "has been" org. :nah

hey st matt, that quote you use at the end of your messages know what movie that is from, lol,,dt:pirate

[James Griffin]

I seem to remember someone saying God told them that the "best days of the UPCI are over with". Of course I agree with this statement. Makes me wonder why someone would want to go join back up with a "has been" org. :nah

Maybe we could rephrase, It's seen better days?

But I wouldn't count it out yet, while there's life there's hope and the Grand Ole Dame is still alive....

:saycheese

[stmatthew]

hey st matt, that quote you use at the end of your messages know what movie that is from, lol,,dt:pirate

Actually, I heard a preacher about 10 or so years ago jokingly say it. I have no idea what movie it would be from. Maybe he got it from the movie, as he was not UPC.

[Felicity]

Maybe we could rephrase, It's seen better days?

But I wouldn't count it out yet, while there's life there's hope and the Grand Ole Dame is still alive....

:saycheeseThe fact is in spite of the problems and lost ground it's still the best thing going in Oneness Pentecost and I've missed it. Being at Gen. Conf. a few weeks ago only made me even more aware.

[Sam]

.... How can they watch me if they do not have a TV?

1. They may have a washing (watching) machine.
2. They may have a tv in a home or rv which is not their primary residence.
3. They may have a tv in their garage
4. They may have a monitor.
5. They may have seen it on the internet

[Dora]

The fact is in spite of the problems and lost ground it's still the best thing going in Oneness Pentecost and I've missed it. Being at Gen. Conf. a few weeks ago only made me even more aware.

Reminds me of that song Eliz wrote:

I'm coming baaaaaack
I'm coming baaaa-aaaa-aaaa-aaaack
Don't know what to expect
I'll take the chaaaa-aaaaaa-aaaa-aaaance
Been gone too long
Done it all wroooo-ooo-ooooo-ooong (wearing make-up, jewelry & watching TV!)
I'm coming baaack, dear Lord
I'm coming baaaaaack



Coming home, Coming home
Never more to Rooooooaaaaaammmm

[DividedThigh]

Actually, I heard a preacher about 10 or so years ago jokingly say it. I have no idea what movie it would be from. Maybe he got it from the movie, as he was not UPC.

that is a line from the movie g i jane, viggio mortenson says that to demi moore when she comes to him and asks for equal treatment in training after cutting her hair off, lol, just thought you knew that, lol,dt:hypercoffee

[Sam]

A place to start would be realization that the OFFICIAL Articles of Faith contain the following "unity clause" with the Fundamental Doctrine statement:



. We shall endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit until we all come into the unity of the faith, at the same time admonishing all brethren that they shall not contend for their different views to the disunity of the body. "

Without this Fundamental Doctrine (lifted directly from the Articles of Faith,) the two organizations which merged to form the UNITED Pentecostal Church would not have done so.

In 1992, resolutions were passed which attacked this foundational premise, the fruit of which will continue to be harvested until brethren realize that there are different views in the Apostolic movement, and neither view should be contended to the point of disunity of the body.

IF a DS were to try to superimpose his belief system over that of the majority vote of the national organization, it would merely be a perpetuation of what was birthed then.

To stop this further fragmentation would require nothing less than a groundswell movement to embrace this unity clause concept with something more than lipservice.

I'm not licensed/ordained by the UPC nor do I go to a UPC church so I'm not directly affected by the 1992 folly.

In my opinion, the 1992 AS was in violation of the unity clause.
As someone else has said, what was meant to be a peaceful merger of one-steppers and three-steppers in 1945 became a hostile takeover by three-steppers in 1992.

[Dora]

1. They may have a washing (watching) machine.
2. They may have a tv in a home or rv which is not their primary residence.
3. They may have a tv in their garage
4. They may have a monitor.
5. They may have seen it on the internet

6. They may have SEEN it on the RADIO!!!
7. They may have the gift of prophetic visions
8. They may have "HEARD IT THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE!"
9. They may have seen it in the Hotel lobby at General Conference - i.e. the Clarence Thomas v. Anita Hill Confirmation Hearings.
10. They may have received it through a sun spot transmission through they portable DVD player.
11. They may not have actually SEEN it, but have heard enough about to feel like were actually there in PERSON!

[Trouvere]

I apprieciate Felicitys spirit.She is nice to the core.You have to admire that.

[DividedThigh]

I apprieciate Felicitys spirit.She is nice to the core.You have to admire that.

sis i like your flag waving name, that is cool, dt:hypercoffee

[Sam]

Welcome back, Thad.
I've missed you.

[Thad]

I can see a DS stating that he prefers no TV in the home but to ask pastors not to advertise on TV after it has been approved by the UPCI doesn't make much sense.


Let me chime in on this and add a Correction on my part.

This district Supt. did not "Forbide" his constituents but rather ASKED them not to use TV and/or advertising. Forbid was the wrong choice of words

If your leader ASKED you not to do something, would you oblidge? would you disobey if you did not do what you was asked to do ?

we may be able to post a copy of the letter soon - not 100% sure yet


carry on






(Thanks Sam!)

[Joseph Miller]

You know and I know they probably have a TV. It really amazes me how many state that but always say, "I saw you on...." I've heard it maaaany times.


I thought when ya got the Holy Ghost that your TV became a "monitor" it is not a different piece of equipment, it just now has a different name.

[MrsMcD]

I thought when ya got the Holy Ghost that your TV became a "monitor" it is not a different piece of equipment, it just now has a different name.

Yeah, the monitor thing always cracks me up. As if there is a difference. :heeheehee

[AtlantaBishop]

My monitor gets 197 channels!

[tamor]

My monitor gets 197 channels!

:killinme :killinme

[AmazingGrace]

My monitor gets 197 channels!

In Dallas we have better monitors than yours nanananana LOL.... Ours gets 315 channels LOL:drama

[dizzyde]

The fact is in spite of the problems and lost ground it's still the best thing going in Oneness Pentecost and I've missed it. Being at Gen. Conf. a few weeks ago only made me even more aware.

I have just been wanting to say this for a while, Sis., you have a beautiful spirit, whatever group you are or aren't involved with.

[Sam]

I thought when ya got the Holy Ghost that your TV became a "monitor" it is not a different piece of equipment, it just now has a different name.

Yes, according to 2 Cor. 5:17 all things become new. One of the new things is the new name of monitor for what used to be called a television before.

[Joseph Miller]

Yes, according to 2 Cor. 5:17 all things become new. One of the new things is the new name of monitor for what used to be called a television before.

I knew they had to have a reason for not calling it a TV anymore. :pirate

[anapko]

My monitor gets 197 channels!

My monitor still has rabbit ears!!! Yikes, that's got to change before the "monitor" signal goes from analog to digital in Feb. 2009!!!

[NLYP]

I am making a "coming out of retirement" statement....
Then going back in.

It is true that the Ga district did this....
Having just talked to a District official....here is the scoop.

HQ has advised districts that they think might have a problem to send out a "letter" advising not to. This is for the purpose of appeasing those that are opposed to it all together.

HOWEVER...

The Dist CANNOT usurp the authority of the National level and charges CANNOT be brought against those that choose to minister and or advertise on tv.

The manual will be changed this Dec...it is the book for all levels....national, dist and sectional....
IF it is allowed in the manual...then its allowed....PERIOD!

Also....

NOTICE that the careful wording is chosen to mirror those already in the manual...."we dissaprove"....

THAT is NOT a we forbid....so....

Now you know the rest of the story...
Miss yall......

Later

NLYP

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Joseph Miller
I thought when ya got the Holy Ghost that your TV became a "monitor" it is not a different piece of equipment, it just now has a different name.

Oh yeah... We sometimes eat "Monitor" Dinners (rather than TV Dinners) when we are in a rush. :)

[Truly Blessed]

For those who feel they really HAVE to know, the organization that Felicity and I will be part of as of the end of this month is NDCM.

[LaVonne]

For those who feel they really HAVE to know, the organization that Felicity and I will be part of as of the end of this month is NDCM.

What does it stand for? (NDCM?)

[Barb]

A place to start would be realization that the OFFICIAL Articles of Faith contain the following "unity clause" with the Fundamental Doctrine statement:



We shall endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit until we all come into the unity of the faith, at the same time admonishing all brethren that they shall not contend for their different views to the disunity of the body. "

Without this Fundamental Doctrine (lifted directly from the Articles of Faith,) the two organizations which merged to form the UNITED Pentecostal Church would not have done so.

In 1992, resolutions were passed which attacked this foundational premise, the fruit of which will continue to be harvested until brethren realize that there are different views in the Apostolic movement, and neither view should be contended to the point of disunity of the body.

IF a DS were to try to superimpose his belief system over that of the majority vote of the national organization, it would merely be a perpetuation of what was birthed then.

To stop this further fragmentation would require nothing less than a groundswell movement to embrace this unity clause concept with something more than lipservice.

So will the UPCI one day have to remove the bolded portion from the FD?!

Both sides are contending for their different views to the disunity of the body.

[Felicity]

I have just been wanting to say this for a while, Sis., you have a beautiful spirit, whatever group you are or aren't involved with.Thank you sis. That's very sweet & kind of you to say. *hugs*

[Truly Blessed]

What does it stand for? (NDCM?)New Direction China Ministries of which I am co-founder and president. Anyone wanting our latest newsletter need only send us your address. Of course we also accept all donations! :)

[Hoovie]

New Direction China Ministries of which I am co-founder and president. Anyone wanting our latest newsletter need only send us your address. Of course we also accept all donations! :)

LINK?

[Felicity]

Dora, is this just being a wee bit intrusive???...Just kidding with ya, but it would be intrusive for me to do it.


:runhillsLOL! I'm used to it Jane. Not to worry. ;) :)

[Truly Blessed]

LINK?We don't have a web site yet, but hopefully as funds are raised we will have one up and running. Right now all our funds are being used to provide bursaries for impoverished university students needing assistance to further their education. Our student fellowship has been very successful in bring these students to the Lord.

[Truly Blessed]

Have you made Felicity a complete woman yet by getting your UPC license back?:hypercoffee

Should we be expecting a new UPC fellowship to be springing up in the Toronto area?
I guess the best way for Felicity to become complete is to get a UPC license herself, don't you think? :)

Toronto? We live in the Vancouver area ourselves.

[Thad]

For those who feel they really HAVE to know, the organization that Felicity and I will be part of as of the end of this month is NDCM.


can you be in the UPC and the NDCM at the same time??

I'm curious as to how you're going to do this

[Truly Blessed]

can you be in the UPC and the NDCM at the same time??

I'm curious as to how you're going to do thisNew Direction China Ministries is just that, a ministry, not an organization. I was just having fun when I said that.

NDCM is a "friendship evangelism" based outreach directed at reaching university students in China with the gospel. We raise funds to provide bursaries for impoverished students needing assistance to attend university. Then we bring them to a weekly student fellowship where they learn about Jesus Christ and are discipled and mentored for Christian leadership.

I was just having fun with you when I made the statement about belonging to NDCM of which I am founder and president.