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************************************************** *****TOTAL SHOCK!!!!
Folks you are not going to believe this ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
a former UPC Evangelist from the Western District now is working for Jim Baker's son's church AND
.....AAAAAAAAAAAAND GET THIS!!!! Some film company is about to do a documentary on his life.....his walk from a ultra right wing fundamentalist to an out-gay man who preaches Gods love and acceptance.
You hear one of his "sermons" on Jay Bakker's church website.....he says that God accepts homosexuality (or understands it) because God calls us his BRIDE!!! WHA????????????? You have to hear the sermon...it is about 20 minutes...Go to this website...
www.revolutionchurch.com
and then MEDIA and go to his sermon about God, Gay, Grace.
Steadfast
10-20-2007, 11:35 PM
Gotta be careful about that picture that comes up... the statement (and the speech) kind of sums up how demented these kinds of people and attitudes can be.
Sick, sad and nauseating.
This is totally, I mean totally Blowing my mind away!!!!
this world is crumbling ! !
when you go to this link, choose New York, then go to Media at the top of the page.
then hear his sermon called "God's grace"
it is truely earth shattering !
dizzyde
10-20-2007, 11:45 PM
I don't remember this guy??? I'm suprised he didn't hook in with the RPI group!
He was an Apostolic Evangelist, married with 3 kids
started out in Arkansas, ended up in California
I don't remember this guy??? I'm suprised he didn't hook in with the RPI group!
Dizzy, he was based out of Howard Davis in san Bernardino
preached a lot of revivals in the southern california
you have got to check this out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steadfast
10-20-2007, 11:49 PM
Better be careful... quite a bit of cussing during the sermon.
Yes, I'm serious.
And, yes, it's still sick, sad and nauseating.
JTULLOCK
10-20-2007, 11:49 PM
************************************************** *****TOTAL SHOCK!!!!
Folks you are not going to believe this ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
a former UPC Evangelist from the Western District now is working for Jim Baker's son's church AND
.....AAAAAAAAAAAAND GET THIS!!!! Some film company is about to do a documentary on his life.....his walk from a ultra right wing fundamentalist to an out-gay man who preaches Gods love and acceptance.
You hear one of his "sermons" on Jay Bakker's church website.....he says that God accepts homosexuality (or understands it) because God calls us his BRIDE!!! WHA????????????? You have to hear the sermon...it is about 20 minutes...Go to this website...
www.revolutionchurch.com
and then MEDIA and go to his sermon about God, Gay, Grace.
Interesting. There is a man with the lastname Clanton or something like that who pastors a Gay Pentecostal church just north of here in Scottsdale. Their site tells how he got his education at CLC. The Photo Gallery is funny to say the least. It blows my mind that this kinda church exists. But it does. I think the church name is Reconciling Pentecostal Assembly. You all can google the name if you want to see the site. It is just plain weird.
I'm sorry, he states he has 4 kids
also his lover is HIV positive WOW!
Interesting. There is a man with the lastname Clanton or something like that who pastors a Gay Pentecostal church just north of here in Scottsdale. Their site tells how he got his education at CLC. The Photo Gallery is funny to say the least. It blows my mind that this kinda church exists. But it does. I think the church name is Reconciling Pentecostal Assembly. You all can google the name if you want to see the site. It is just plain weird.
he was a minister & graduate from CLC in stockton
all that came out quite a while back
this is all new and really shocking to a lot of us that knew this man's minsitry
dizzyde
10-20-2007, 11:54 PM
Interesting. There is a man with the lastname Clanton or something like that who pastors a Gay Pentecostal church just north of here in Scottsdale. Their site tells how he got his education at CLC. The Photo Gallery is funny to say the least. It blows my mind that this kinda church exists. But it does. I think the church name is Reconciling Pentecostal Assembly. You all can google the name if you want to see the site. It is just plain weird.
Yeah, that is the group I was referring to, they actually have an organization. The term "Out and Proud" is definitely their motto. One of the leaders of the movement is actually a very old friend. It is very troubling to say the least. The only thing that I can say is I have to hate the sin, but love the sinner.
dizzyde
10-20-2007, 11:55 PM
he was a minister & graduate from CLC in stockton
all that came out quite a while back
this is all new and really shocking to a lot of us that knew this man's minsitry
I just can't place him, Hmmm, I wish there was a picture of him.
Joseph Miller
10-20-2007, 11:55 PM
This nut preached in MS a few years ago.
SoCaliUPC
10-20-2007, 11:56 PM
WOW! The lengths some will go to to legitizmize their sin. Unbelieveable!
I just can't place him, Hmmm, I wish there was a picture of him.
I heard he has a myspace ??
If someone has the link to it please post it
He is saying in this sermon that he is now working for Jay Baker
This nut preached in MS a few years ago.
tell us about it joseph
Steadfast
10-21-2007, 12:00 AM
He preached a short while back for the ICOF... Rev. Bernie's bunch. I think he also is / was a part of the AWCF... the same bunch that Suber and his crew joined recently.
dizzyde
10-21-2007, 12:01 AM
I heard he has a myspace ??
If someone has the link to it please post it
He is saying in this sermon that he is now working for Jay Baker
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=228647670
He preached a short while back for the ICOF... Rev. Bernie's bunch. I think he also is / was a part of the AWCF... the same bunch that Suber and his crew joined recently.
what is ICOF ? who is Rev. Bernie ?
I couldn't listen to anymore of it - making me sick seriously
Steadfast
10-21-2007, 12:02 AM
Sad stuff... here's some video of him. Not much better, honestly.
http://www.veoh.com/videos/e4460265EGjeHE
dizzyde
10-21-2007, 12:02 AM
Well, I'm officially grossed out.
Joseph Miller
10-21-2007, 12:10 AM
He came to MS and preached at all the home mission churches. He was a very mean spirited person as he said. He was just full of himself.
He used to preach for some "Ultra-cons" in MS. I wonder if they know about this.
Sad stuff... here's some video of him. Not much better, honestly.
http://www.veoh.com/videos/e4460265EGjeHE
from what he said here, it sounds like he is espousing the "universal reconciliation" doctrine that carlton pearson preaches
He came to MS and preached at all the home mission churches. He was a very mean spirited person as he said. He was just full of himself.
He used to preach for some "Ultra-cons" in MS. I wonder if they know about this.
you're not the first person to mention this.
I got word that he was ultra conservative at one time
dizzyde
10-21-2007, 12:17 AM
from what he said here, it sounds like he is espousing the "universal reconciliation" doctrine that carlton pearson preaches
Well, Carlton is his #2 MySpace friend. UUUGGHHHHH!
Joseph Miller
10-21-2007, 12:18 AM
Well, Carlton is his #2 MySpace friend. UUUGGHHHHH!
Is CP straight?
Well, Carlton is his #2 MySpace friend. UUUGGHHHHH!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!
Dizzy what is going on in this world ??? really, seems like every time i turn around someone is flipping out
dizzyde
10-21-2007, 12:19 AM
His ex-wife actually looks more familiar to me than he does, does anyone know were she is from? My heart breaks for these women.
Is CP straight?
what made you ask that ??
i've heard some things lately ............ recent stuff
His ex-wife actually looks more familiar to me than he does, does anyone know were she is from? My heart breaks for these women.
someone told me he was originally from a ultra conservative church in Arkansas - it was not UPC. either independant or AMF - not sure
dizzyde
10-21-2007, 12:21 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!
Dizzy what is going on in this world ??? really, seems like every time i turn around someone is flipping out
Pretty much!! You have heard about the Carlton Pearson thing, I'm sure??
Joseph Miller
10-21-2007, 12:22 AM
what made you ask that ??
i've heard some things lately ............ recent stuff
I have just never thought he was.
SoCaliUPC
10-21-2007, 12:22 AM
His ex-wife actually looks more familiar to me than he does, does anyone know were she is from? My heart breaks for these women.
Somewhere I read that you were from California so you have probably seen her. They were based out of Howard Davis' church at one time.
Pretty much!! You have heard about the Carlton Pearson thing, I'm sure??
about him going off into weird doctrine or other ??
I have just never thought he was.
I think the truth will come out in time
dizzyde
10-21-2007, 12:25 AM
Somewhere I read that you were from California so you have probably seen her. They were based out of Howard Davis' church at one time.
Yeah, he looks a little familiar, but she really did. But it wasn't a great picture. Oh, you didn't catch all my SoCal district references???? LOL!!!
dizzyde
10-21-2007, 12:27 AM
about him going off into weird doctrine or other ??
The weird doctrine stuff, the other, well I hadn't heard that but personally, I always thought there was something hinky with him and Carman. IMO!!!!
The weird doctrine stuff, the other, well I hadn't heard that but personally, I always thought there was something hinky with him and Carman. IMO!!!!
yea especially when they dressed alike in matching outifts and drove matching mercedes!!!
Joseph Miller
10-21-2007, 12:35 AM
hmmmm....makes one wonder.
dizzyde
10-21-2007, 12:35 AM
yea especially when they dressed alike in matching outifts and drove matching mercedes!!!
Groooaaannnnnn...... I didn't even know that part!
Monkeyman
10-21-2007, 07:23 AM
Interesting. There is a man with the lastname Clanton or something like that who pastors a Gay Pentecostal church just north of here in Scottsdale. Their site tells how he got his education at CLC. The Photo Gallery is funny to say the least. It blows my mind that this kinda church exists. But it does. I think the church name is Reconciling Pentecostal Assembly. You all can google the name if you want to see the site. It is just plain weird.Doug...a part of the school CLC, not the church. He was originally from northen California like Napa or nearby, he sang a lot of the solos in the school choir (NOT CLC Youth Choir) while I played the bass for them. Great voice, really nice guy...very sad.
aquestioninggirl
10-21-2007, 07:32 AM
His ex-wife actually looks more familiar to me than he does, does anyone know were she is from? My heart breaks for these women.
I was going to say the same thing.... she looks very familier. They must still be friends. Is she from Arkansas? Is she still UPC?
Joseph Miller
10-21-2007, 07:41 AM
I was going to say the same thing.... she looks very familier. They must still be friends. Is she from Arkansas? Is she still UPC?
When was Christian UPCI? When he came through MS preaching for the home mission churches there were some pastors who didn't like it because he was not part of the organization. He was an ultra con and ran with the Madisonville, KY group. Then I was told later that he went charismatic and joined AWCF. Now to see and hear this is wild.
As far as she goes, I don't know where she was/is from. From the pic on his myspace I don't think she is still in church.
timlan2057
10-21-2007, 08:34 AM
he was a minister & graduate from CLC in stockton
Boy, that's a shame.
We would have given him a full scholarship at JCM. :hypercoffee
Boy, that's a shame.
We would have given him a full scholarship at JCM. :hypercoffee
Now 'dat dere is just plain wrong ....:pirate
timlan2057
10-21-2007, 08:39 AM
Now 'dat dere is just plain wrong ....:pirate
The music department got all the good ones.
This guy would have really shored up the theology department. :hypercoffee
rgcraig
10-21-2007, 09:36 AM
Better be careful... quite a bit of cussing during the sermon.
Yes, I'm serious.
And, yes, it's still sick, sad and nauseating.
How sad.
rgcraig
10-21-2007, 10:32 AM
The giant pendulum swing!
Steve Epley
10-21-2007, 11:50 AM
He went to a Baptist Bible College at Conway, Ar. he was out 'witnessing' and knocked on Elder Blassingames door and Sis. Blassingame witnessed to him about the truth. He came back later Elder Blassingame gave him a Bible study. After getting baptized he began working out of Elder C. E. George's church at Jonesboro. He had a photographic memory. He had debates with Campbellites. I never was impressed with him something always seemed missing to me although I did not know him real well. I was indeed sad to hear of this level of degeneration he sunk to. A few months ago someone told me what he did and gave me his site I think he was in Corpus Cristi, Tx. pastoring a gay church. I do NOT think he is related to the Arizona Garretts.
hartmann
10-21-2007, 11:50 AM
theres a gay church in nashville, that an ex-pentecostal music minister in doing music at.
the paper says he brings a pentecostal flavor.
when I read this it was so hurting and sick. I know his family and they have suffered.
o what giving into the flesh and sick desires have led fok to.
Joseph Miller
10-21-2007, 12:22 PM
theres a gay church in nashville, that an ex-pentecostal music minister in doing music at.
the paper says he brings a pentecostal flavor.
when I read this it was so hurting and sick. I know his family and they have suffered.
o what giving into the flesh and sick desires have led fok to.
Who is the music minister.
vrblackwell
10-21-2007, 12:56 PM
He went to a Baptist Bible College at Conway, Ar. he was out 'witnessing' and knocked on Elder Blassingames door and Sis. Blassingame witnessed to him about the truth. He came back later Elder Blassingame gave him a Bible study. After getting baptized he began working out of Elder C. E. George's church at Jonesboro. He had a photographic memory. He had debates with Campbellites. I never was impressed with him something always seemed missing to me although I did not know him real well. I was indeed sad to hear of this level of degeneration he sunk to. A few months ago someone told me what he did and gave me his site I think he was in Corpus Cristi, Tx. pastoring a gay church. I do NOT think he is related to the Arizona Garretts.
I cannot say for sure. However, it does seem as though he said he was related.
Buffy
10-21-2007, 03:00 PM
I heard him preach when I was a teenager. It is so weird listening to him talk like he does on the website. It is so sickening!
hartmann
10-21-2007, 03:19 PM
Who is the music minister.
I dont want to say because his family posts on here often. its just a sad situation and an imbarrassment to all.
no name sorry
RevDWW
10-21-2007, 03:23 PM
He preached a short while back for the ICOF... Rev. Bernie's bunch. I think he also is / was a part of the AWCF... the same bunch that Suber and his crew joined recently.
Is/Was? Wouldn't it better to find out if they knew about him, then to make innuendo that these organizations promote/agree with this guys lifestyle, after all he was preaching in our ranks as well.
dizzyde
10-21-2007, 03:29 PM
Is/Was? Wouldn't it better to find out if they knew about him, then to make innuendo that these organizations promote/agree with this guys lifestyle, after all he was preaching in our ranks as well.
I had the same thought. I don't know it for a fact, but I would have a hard time believing that they do.
theres a gay church in nashville, that an ex-pentecostal music minister in doing music at.
the paper says he brings a pentecostal flavor.
when I read this it was so hurting and sick. I know his family and they have suffered.
o what giving into the flesh and sick desires have led fok to.
Is this the church pastored By Reba Rambo and Donny McGuire ?
If so, this part is no secret as they did a big write up on it which was posted earlier this summer i believe
Is/Was? Wouldn't it better to find out if they knew about him, then to make innuendo that these organizations promote/agree with this guys lifestyle, after all he was preaching in our ranks as well.
I hope that stedfast addresses this- i doubt if they agree or condone that and doubt if Stedfast was making an innuendo
Please don't refrain- I really want to hear Everything- all the wild stories- go ahead and post them please
Darryl
10-21-2007, 04:43 PM
where does he say he was upc?
vrblackwell
10-21-2007, 04:58 PM
Please don't refrain- I really want to hear Everything- all the wild stories- go ahead and post them please
His in-laws are good people. I do not think it does them justice to drag things out in the open. They thought he was a good christian just like everyone else who knew him.
For the sake of peoples feelings being hurt and old wounds being opened, I think Thad that it would be best just to leave this alone.
SoCaliUPC
10-21-2007, 05:01 PM
where does he say he was upc?
He was UPC and was based out of Howard Davis' church in San Bernadino for quite some time.
JaneEyre
10-21-2007, 05:15 PM
Someone told me about how far CS Garrett had gone months ago and even sent me the link to his myspace page. This is something that totally sickens me, but we ought to be praying for him and his family - not looking at him like he is in a freak show. The people I know knew him when he was an ultra con, not UPC.
JaneEyre
10-21-2007, 05:17 PM
His in-laws are good people. I do not think it does them justice to drag things out in the open. They thought he was a good christian just like everyone else who knew him.
For the sake of peoples feelings being hurt and old wounds being opened, I think Thad that it would be best just to leave this alone.
Think how you'd feel if this were your son, ex-husband, dad, friend or relative. I wouldn't want this put on the internet about someone I was close to...Granted, he put all of that on myspace - but I think that is where it needs to stay on "his space" - don't bring anymore of it here on a forum for "Apostolic Friends"...Just my opinion.
His in-laws are good people. I do not think it does them justice to drag things out in the open. They thought he was a good christian just like everyone else who knew him.
For the sake of peoples feelings being hurt and old wounds being opened, I think Thad that it would be best just to leave this alone.
Maybe i misunderstood - I thought you was referring to the church n general not persons per say.
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Think how you'd feel if this were your son, ex-husband, dad, friend or relative. I wouldn't want this put on the internet about someone I was close to...Granted, he put all of that on myspace - but I think that is where it needs to stay on "his space" - don't bring anymore of it here on a forum for "Apostolic Friends"...Just my opinion.
again, I must have mis-read it. I do agree, we should be careful about the extended family for certain.
Someone told me about how far CS Garrett had gone months ago and even sent me the link to his myspace page. This is something that totally sickens me, but we ought to be praying for him and his family - not looking at him like he is in a freak show. The people I know knew him when he was an ultra con, not UPC.
from what he said in his sermon, sounds like the wife fully accepts this
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Think how you'd feel if this were your son, ex-husband, dad, friend or relative. I wouldn't want this put on the internet about someone I was close to...Granted, he put all of that on myspace - but I think that is where it needs to stay on "his space" - don't bring anymore of it here on a forum for "Apostolic Friends"...Just my opinion.
jane, he is all over the internet not just on his myspace page.
including his sermons, interviews and the fact that he is now apart of Baker's church. sounds like HE in fact is very public and vocal about it
JaneEyre
10-21-2007, 05:32 PM
jane, he is all over the internet not just on his myspace page.
including his sermons, interviews and the fact that he is now apart of Baker's church. sounds like HE in fact is very public and vocal about it
Thad, I realize that - I just think we've had (or at least I've had) enough of this talk about him. Maybe a fascinating shape of cow manure might be intriguing - but leave the cow manure where it is - don't bring it to a "friend's house" ...If we want to go and see the cow manure we can find the links. The path would be easy to find on Google Street. I am not calling him cow manure - but all of this stuff that he is involved in stinks.
JaneEyre
10-21-2007, 05:34 PM
from what he said in his sermon, sounds like the wife fully accepts this
I thought that is what I had heard - however, maybe she thinks he's going to become famous and they'll both gain financially. I can't understand her reasoning...This is the most bizarre situation I have ever heard of for a former Oneness preacher. I am sure there must be many bizarre stories out there - but hopefully no more like this one.
I thought that is what I had heard - however, maybe she thinks he's going to become famous and they'll both gain financially. I can't understand her reasoning...This is the most bizarre situation I have ever heard of for a former Oneness preacher. I am sure there must be many out there.
And i think this is what is shocking to a lot of people. It seems like people today are so bold and brazen.
In some small way, i think it's good for people to see what's going on in the church today. it's time out for being Niave and pretending that all is well. It's obvious that we are in the endtime battle. I find it diffucult to understand how the church in general seems to have its heads in the sand as if we want to keep living in some type of spiritual Alice and Wonderland.
We've heard of people going astray for years but NEVER to this degree. It seems like it's contant now. I wonder, are we in the great falling away?
many believe the falling away already happend but i wonder.
Steve Epley
10-21-2007, 06:05 PM
I always doubted his conversion I felt bad. No I am not that spiritual I have been folled many times and no doubt will again. But to me it came from his head and not his heart. He was likable and a very skilled speaker. But let'e be careful if his wife's family posts here they have been hurt the most.
Jane,
If you also recall, they are doing a documentary on his life as an ultra conservative to what he is now. so, WHO is keeping this quiet?
you know they will likey paint his life as a Pentecostal as some type of oppressive jim Jones cult making us all out to look bad
JaneEyre
10-21-2007, 06:06 PM
And i think this is what is shocking to a lot of people. It seems like people today are so bold and brazen.
In some small way, i think it's good for people to see what's going on in the church today. it's time out for being Niave and pretending that all is well. It's obvious that we are in the endtime battle. I find it diffucult to understand how the church in general seems to have its heads in the sand as if we want to keep living in some type of spiritual Alice and Wonderland.
We've heard of people going astray for years but NEVER to this degree. It seems like it's contant now. I wonder, are we in the great falling away?
many believe the falling away already happend but i wonder.
There is a caveat to exposing this too much. What about someone who is naive who might read this and think - well, look at what this person did and he is in a movie. Maybe it's alright. Maybe I can fall and get patted on the back and get put in a movie. Our young people are not getting to see good example sometimes...They are seeing bad examples and sometimes even ministers condoning the wrongs of others. Surely others won't condone his behavior....or misbehavior.
He's not in the church ...He is in the world, but I know what you mean - people who have left the church.
JaneEyre
10-21-2007, 06:09 PM
I always doubted his conversion I felt bad. No I am not that spiritual I have been folled many times and no doubt will again. But to me it came from his head and not his heart. He was likable and a very skilled speaker. But let'e be careful if his wife's family posts here they have been hurt the most.
Yes....I know some of the ultra cons who knew him.
There is a caveat to exposing this too much. What about someone who is naive who might read this and think - well, look at what this person did and he is in a movie. Maybe it's alright. Maybe I can fall and get patted on the back and get put in a movie.
He's not in the church ...He is in the world, but I know what you mean - people who have left the church.
I think that this is the down side to the new world we call the internet.
The internet has given church people the opportunity to talk about things that years ago we would never been allowed to question.
I think you have a point jane, but in this case where someone who use to preach one thing but is now PUBICALLY denouncing truth, we have the right to refute it
JaneEyre
10-21-2007, 06:12 PM
Jane,
If you also recall, they are doing a documentary on his life as an ultra conservative to what he is now. so, WHO is keeping this quiet?
you know they will likey paint his life as a Pentecostal as some type of oppressive jim Jones cult making us all out to look bad
The ultra cons didn't bring him to this. He brought himself to this. More than likely he may place some of the blame on his "strict church"...If I understand correctly, he did not start to the ultra con church until after he graduated from a Baptist Bible College. The Devil enjoys trying to show the world that "there is nothing" to a Christian walk - especially a Oneness Pentecostal Christian walk. I believe he lived in Hollywood for a while. Not saying this is the case, but some people will do anything for a dollar.
The ultra cons didn't bring him to this. He brought himself to this. More than likely he may place some of the blame on his "strict church"...If I understand correctly, he did not start to the ultra con church until after he graduated from a Baptist Bible College. The Devil enjoys trying to show the world that "there is nothing" to a Christian walk - especially a Oneness Pentecostal Christian walk. I believe he lived in Hollywood for a while. Not saying this is the case, but some people will do anything for a dollar.
I believe he took over an AG or former AG church in Hollywood thus the meeting up with jay Baker.
socali, wasn't he still preaching in the UPC while merging withthe above?
SoCaliUPC
10-21-2007, 07:14 PM
I believe he took over an AG or former AG church in Hollywood thus the meeting up with jay Baker.
socali, wasn't he still preaching in the UPC while merging withthe above?
Thad...when he took that church, I have no clue what type of church it was. Yours Truly would know......definately connected to the situation.
I think he was still preaching UPC at the time...but it diminished quickly...along with other things.
papapraiz
10-21-2007, 07:25 PM
I believe he took over an AG or former AG church in Hollywood thus the meeting up with jay Baker.
socali, wasn't he still preaching in the UPC while merging withthe above?
Hey... church starts in 15 minutes. What are you doing posting on AFF?
Sherri
10-21-2007, 07:35 PM
Sadly, there are many of these gay oneness Pentecostal churches popping up all over the U.S. I know of one in Tampa, Scottsdale, Indianapolis, somewhere in Arkansas, and there are a lot more. A gal I went to JCM with is the music minister at one and she can use scripture to justify her lifestyle, but it's so twisted. Very sad! Almost all of the pastors have UPC roots.
timlan2057
10-21-2007, 08:03 PM
Almost all of the pastors have UPC roots.
What will REALLY be something is when the ultra-con gay churches start splitting off from the liberal gay churches over TV advertising. :pirate
Sherri
10-21-2007, 08:16 PM
What will REALLY be something is when the ultra-con gay churches start splitting off from the liberal gay churches over TV advertising. :pirate
Oh, that was BAD!!!!:tvhappy
Hoovie
10-21-2007, 08:29 PM
Sadly, there are many of these gay oneness Pentecostal churches popping up all over the U.S. I know of one in Tampa, Scottsdale, Indianapolis, somewhere in Arkansas, and there are a lot more. A gal I went to JCM with is the music minister at one and she can use scripture to justify her lifestyle, but it's so twisted. Very sad! Almost all of the pastors have UPC roots.
Is there an inference here that Oneness Petecostals have a disproportionate number of Gay defectors?
Is there an inference here that Oneness Petecostals have a disproportionate number of Gay defectors?
Calm down big boy! I thnk she is just making an observation, not an inference.
It is a fact that there are the gay pentecostal churches springing up that she listed and it is a fact that they are pastored and staffed by ex UPCers.
That doesn't mean there are not more non exUPC gay churches but right now the Oneness Gay Pentecostal churches we know about all are ones that have these UPC roots.
It only makes sense since the UPC is one of the largest Oneness denominations. Because there is a lot bigger pool of licensed preachers to start with it is no surprise that many of these gay Oneness Pentecostal churches are staffed by exUPCers.
Steve Epley
10-21-2007, 09:10 PM
ONE is TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many.:runhills
RevDWW
10-21-2007, 09:17 PM
ONE is TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many.:runhills
AMEN.
I just wonder why their bible doesn't seem to include the book of Romans??????
Scott Hutchinson
10-21-2007, 09:30 PM
Lost as two girls kissing.Yuck.
Old Paths
10-21-2007, 09:59 PM
C. Garrett along with another preacher was scheluded to preach the Sun. night service at Ark. camp meeting at NLR in 1999, but while the first preacher ministered the Spirit moved in the service and Garrett never came to the pulpit.
bethola
10-21-2007, 09:59 PM
He went to a Baptist Bible College at Conway, Ar. he was out 'witnessing' and knocked on Elder Blassingames door and Sis. Blassingame witnessed to him about the truth. He came back later Elder Blassingame gave him a Bible study. After getting baptized he began working out of Elder C. E. George's church at Jonesboro. He had a photographic memory. He had debates with Campbellites. I never was impressed with him something always seemed missing to me although I did not know him real well. I was indeed sad to hear of this level of degeneration he sunk to. A few months ago someone told me what he did and gave me his site I think he was in Corpus Cristi, Tx. pastoring a gay church. I do NOT think he is related to the Arizona Garretts.
I can't BELIEVE THIS! My brother has MET THIS GUY!! In fact, he e-mailed me about him! Yes, he did pastor a SMALL group of "open and affirming" individuals. BUT, according to my brother the board asked him to leave after only a few months and when he wouldn't leave they actually CHANGED THE LOCKS so he couldn't get in!
Now, what group in Madisonville KY did he run with? I've been here my entire life and have never heard of this guy!
Beth
Pastor Keith
10-21-2007, 10:01 PM
C. Garrett along with another preacher was scheluded to preach the Sun. night service at Ark. camp meeting at NLR in 1999, but while the first preacher ministered the Spirit moved in the service and Garrett never came to the pulpit.
Sounds like your saying it was a God thing to keep the future reprobate from infecting others with his virus.
Old Paths
10-21-2007, 10:10 PM
Sounds like your saying it was a God thing to keep the future reprobate from infecting others with his virus.
No that's not what I was saying, but it does sound right.
Just giving a little history.
Pastor Keith
10-21-2007, 10:12 PM
No that's not what I was saying, but it does sound right.
Just giving a little history.
I know, just doing some TIC, was this guy prominent and what in your opinion would lead to this radical change.
Joseph Miller
10-21-2007, 10:23 PM
I don't know why he is considered prominent. I never liked his preaching myself.
I would say that the devil is behind the change.
MissBrattified
10-21-2007, 10:27 PM
you're not the first person to mention this.
I got word that he was ultra conservative at one time
Ultra conservative? On doctrine maybe...he was always a bit whacky, but we liked him and considered him a friend. He preached for my Dad a bunch of times, and stayed in our home. He was at our wedding. (He wrote scriptures all over our get-away car...Jeff was SO mad about that! LOL!)
He participated in a debate with a church of Christ preacher in Joplin.
I do remember one odd thing...I remember him saying that when he and his wife were married, that when they got to their hotel, they prayed together before...er...consummating the marriage. Not that its bad to pray...just it seemed a bit weird.... :depressed
Joseph Miller
10-21-2007, 10:37 PM
Ultra conservative? On doctrine maybe...he was always a bit whacky, but we liked him and considered him a friend. He preached for my Dad a bunch of times, and stayed in our home. He was at our wedding. (He wrote scriptures all over our get-away car...Jeff was SO mad about that! LOL!)
He participated in a debate with a church of Christ preacher in Joplin.
I do remember one odd thing...I remember him saying that when he and his wife were married, that when they got to their hotel, they prayed together before...er...consummating the marriage. Not that its bad to pray...just it seemed a bit weird.... :depressed
VERY MUCH.
SoCaliUPC
10-21-2007, 10:38 PM
MB.... I have heard others who have done that little ritual. Odd....
ILuvFPC
10-21-2007, 10:48 PM
WOW!!!
I'm NOT believing this!!!!!!!!!!!! I have heard this guy preach SOOO many times.... I had heard he had went charasmatic but NOT gay!!!!! wow...
This is like, i can't even describe it, really saddening...depressing almost...
He preached at my old church many many times before he got "big time" and yes he definitly was what some of you would call "UC" (that was way back, he loosened up a little bit when his old pastor died) He started out in an independent church i believe.. He preached at FPC before, years ago...
He married the pastor's daughter of one of the upc churches in el dorado, AR.. tarrah, whom he mentioned.. and he did join UPC...
WOW.. totally shocking......
Ultra conservative? On doctrine maybe...he was always a bit whacky, but we liked him and considered him a friend. He preached for my Dad a bunch of times, and stayed in our home. He was at our wedding. (He wrote scriptures all over our get-away car...Jeff was SO mad about that! LOL!)
He participated in a debate with a church of Christ preacher in Joplin.
I do remember one odd thing...I remember him saying that when he and his wife were married, that when they got to their hotel, they prayed together before...er...consummating the marriage. Not that its bad to pray...just it seemed a bit weird.... :depressed
He was most ilkely praying she had a headache.
Joseph Miller
10-21-2007, 10:52 PM
He was most ilkely praying she had a headache.
:pirate:pirate:pirate
:scoregood:scoregood
JaneEyre
10-21-2007, 10:53 PM
WOW!!!
I'm NOT believing this!!!!!!!!!!!! I have heard this guy preach SOOO many times.... I had heard he had went charasmatic but NOT gay!!!!! wow...
This is like, i can't even describe it, really saddening...depressing almost...
He preached at my old church many many times before he got "big time" and yes he definitly was what some of you would call "UC" (that was way back, he loosened up a little bit when his old pastor died) He started out in an independent church i believe.. He preached at FPC before, years ago...
He married the pastor's daughter of one of the upc churches in el dorado, AR.. tarrah, whom he mentioned.. and he did join UPC...
WOW.. totally shocking......
.........ILuvFPC, it is totally shocking. ...Are you talking about Bro. C.E. George in Jonesboro as being the pastor who died? I think Bro. Epley said he had attended Bro. Blessingame's church in Conway, Arkansas first and then Jonesboro? Maybe? I may have been at NLR in 1999. I can't remember. I know I was there one year around that time. All I know is that I heard about him and did hear him preach once (my husband had to remind me - so this guy must not have been too memorable) - but didn't realize he'd gone so far off the deep end.
MissBrattified
10-21-2007, 10:55 PM
tarrah
I can't imagine what that woman has been through. :depressed *sigh*
Steadfast
10-21-2007, 11:00 PM
Is/Was? Wouldn't it better to find out if they knew about him, then to make innuendo that these organizations promote/agree with this guys lifestyle, after all he was preaching in our ranks as well.
You obviously read something into the post that I wasn't trying to say. It was common knowledge he was with us... then preached for ICOF and AWCF. The "is/was" is alluding only to the fact that they may not - like most of us - have known that he went pervert on them.
Never made any innuendos that his present lifestyle was approved by them. I'm actually surprised that you thought I had... I see nothing remotely implying that I did.
ILuvFPC
10-21-2007, 11:03 PM
.........ILuvFPC, it is totally shocking. ...Are you talking about Bro. C.E. George in Jonesboro as being the pastor who died? I think Bro. Epley said he had attended Bro. Blessingame's church in Conway, Arkansas first and then Jonesboro? Maybe? I may have been at NLR in 1999. I can't remember. I know I was there one year around that time. All I know is that I heard about him and did hear him preach once (my husband had to remind me - so this guy must not have been too memorable) - but didn't realize he'd gone so far off the deep end.
I'm not sure which pastor, i remember him mentioning it when he was preaching at my old church (not fpc-nlr) that his ministry was changing and he wasn't as dogmatic, or words to that effect, on some issues as he once was since his pastor had passed.
I am listening to another one of his 'messages' now... he is talking about the "love of his life" the dude thats HIV positive... GROSSSSSSSSSS
UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!
JaneEyre
10-21-2007, 11:09 PM
I was thinking about the song, "Sin Will Take You Farther Than You Want To Go" ...but it sounds like he wants to go where he is.
It amazes me, too, that he doesn't seem to mind the fact that his partner is HIV Positive. I can't imagine the deception this man is in - or is it more than deception? ....Not only is he deceived, but he is attempting to deceive others by "ministering" to them. Lord, don't let me be turned over to a reprobate mind to believe a lie and be damned.
It appears others around him may be deceived, too. Good grief, is it possible to get out of a pit this deep???
ILuvFPC
10-21-2007, 11:13 PM
the memories are just rolling in... he preached so many revivals in my old church in south east arkansas... He was preaching the night i got baptized when i was 8 years old.... that was about 15 years ago...
Has anyone listened to his debates??? Dude knew his Bible! He made them church of christ (or church w/o Christ :pirate) dudes look plain stupid!!
this really just hurts..... so sad.....
SoCaliUPC
10-21-2007, 11:39 PM
He was most ilkely praying she had a headache.
That is just wrong! Funny though!!
the memories are just rolling in... he preached so many revivals in my old church in south east arkansas... He was preaching the night i got baptized when i was 8 years old.... that was about 15 years ago...
Has anyone listened to his debates??? Dude knew his Bible! He made them church of christ (or church w/o Christ :pirate) dudes look plain stupid!!
this really just hurts..... so sad.....
and to think he went from debating Oneness to being a Trinitarian!
I can't imagine what that woman has been through. :depressed *sigh*
as I said he claims she is 100% behind it- that's bizzare in and of itself
Joseph Miller
10-22-2007, 01:19 AM
For real
MissBrattified
10-22-2007, 01:20 AM
as I said he claims she is 100% behind it- that's bizzare in and of itself
I highly doubt it. Not that he claims it...but that she's actually behind it.
Joseph Miller
10-22-2007, 01:21 AM
I highly doubt it. Not that he claims it...but that she's actually behind it.
NO woman in her right mind would be behind such nasty things.
Hey... church starts in 15 minutes. What are you doing posting on AFF?
and how'd you know??:pirate
& BTW I made it right on time for our 6pm prayer meeting :saycheese
AND we had a shoutin' good time tonight!! I mean to tell ya !
Joseph Miller
10-22-2007, 01:24 AM
and how'd you know??:pirate
& BTW I made it right on time for our 6pm prayer meeting :saycheese
AND we had a shoutin' good time tonight!! I mean to tell ya !
We had an awesome service tonight. I love it when the Holy Ghost fills the house and people seem to respond to everything the preacher says.
NO woman in her right mind would be behind such nasty things.
Living in Hollywood can warp almost anyone IF you are open or allow it
We had an awesome service tonight. I love it when the Holy Ghost fills the house and people seem to respond to everything the preacher says.
That's right brother! :shockamoo
Joseph Miller
10-22-2007, 01:35 AM
I was preaching a pastor appreciation service. I only had 20 mins to preach (I normally preach about 45/50 mins). It was all the Holy Ghost. God just really anointed the preaching tonight. I know it ain't about me, but every preacher I know likes it when the preaching is "easy". I think any of those preachers that were there tonight could have preached with the anointing that was in that house.
I was preaching a pastor appreciation service. I only had 20 mins to preach (I normally preach about 45/50 mins). It was all the Holy Ghost. God just really anointed the preaching tonight. I know it ain't about me, but every preacher I know likes it when the preaching is "easy". I think any of those preachers that were there tonight could have preached with the anointing that was in that house.
and where was this ?
Joseph Miller
10-22-2007, 02:28 AM
and where was this ?
Celina, OH
revrandy
10-22-2007, 08:26 AM
A man gives himself over to lust until he burns...turning true desire into perversion and now apostacy... go figure....
aquestioninggirl
10-22-2007, 08:35 AM
OH MY WORD!!!! I think I just realized how I know this guy.......
He now has his profile set to private. ..... Must do more reasearch now...
Steve Epley
10-22-2007, 08:49 AM
Marvin Hicks told me personally that CG had the best affirmative argument of any debator he had ever heard. His rebuttals were not top notch but his affirmatives were over the top. But it always seemed to lack conviction to me personally. More from the head not the heart.
aquestioninggirl
10-22-2007, 08:56 AM
Did he debate a lot? If is the guy I think it is I was really good friends at college with his sister and her roomate was in love with him. He was actually the one who got her into church.
Marvin Hicks told me personally that CG had the best affirmative argument of any debator he had ever heard. His rebuttals were not top notch but his affirmatives were over the top. But it always seemed to lack conviction to me personally. More from the head not the heart.
affirmatives were "over the top"? what do you mean by that?
break that one down for me will you? :pirate
OH MY WORD!!!! I think I just realized how I know this guy.......
He now has his profile set to private. ..... Must do more reasearch now...
what profile? from myspace? did this just occur since we started this thread?
aquestioninggirl
10-22-2007, 09:17 AM
what profile? from myspace? did this just occur since we started this thread?
Yes.... so he must be a reader...LOL!!! You are so famous. :saycheese
Steve Epley
10-22-2007, 09:17 AM
affirmatives were "over the top"? what do you mean by that?
break that one down for me will you? :pirate
I mean top notch. He weaved his complete speech into his affirmative. Never saw that done before it was very effective all from memory. However his rebuttals were a little weak.
I mean top notch. He weaved his complete speech into his affirmative. Never saw that done before it was very effective all from memory. However his rebuttals were a little weak.
I had no idea that debates still existed. I thought those days were long gone. the only one I heard of since the 70s with Hicks was the one that Bernard and hannagraph ??
Do you still debate ? I have always wanted to go to one of those
Yes.... so he must be a reader...LOL!!! You are so famous. :saycheese
I doubt that :pirate
people are eventually going to stumble on things like this when it's on public sites
aquestioninggirl
10-22-2007, 09:34 AM
I had no idea that debates still existed. I thought those days were long gone. the only one I heard of since the 70s with Hicks was the one that Bernard and hannagraph ??
Do you still debate ? I have always wanted to go to one of those
I had never heard of debates until his sister started telling me about all the debates he was doing. Then when I joined FCF I realized it was a common thing.
Steve Epley
10-22-2007, 09:42 AM
I had no idea that debates still existed. I thought those days were long gone. the only one I heard of since the 70s with Hicks was the one that Bernard and hannagraph ??
Do you still debate ? I have always wanted to go to one of those
It has been a few years. I have not heard of one lately. Although I jhave had negociations for two debates but the timing was bad or some other complication came up. I have enjoyed them.
It has been a few years. I have not heard of one lately. Although I jhave had negociations for two debates but the timing was bad or some other complication came up. I have enjoyed them.
If you ever have one again, let me know i want to come.
but you have to announce way ahead of time. hard to get away from this place :reaction:pirate
ReformedDave
10-22-2007, 10:08 AM
Just finished listening to CG sermon. Enjoyed it........:sly
Just finished listening to CG sermon. Enjoyed it........:sly
really? why dave?
ReformedDave
10-22-2007, 10:19 AM
really? why dave?
Did you miss the smiley face????
Did you miss the smiley face????
oh okay yea
ReformedDave
10-22-2007, 10:26 AM
oh okay yea
The only good thing was the 20 minute length.:pirate
Joseph Miller
10-22-2007, 10:32 AM
The only good thing was the 20 minute length.:pirate
It was 19 min 59 sec too much of that junk for me.
RevDWW
10-22-2007, 10:34 AM
You obviously read something into the post that I wasn't trying to say. It was common knowledge he was with us... then preached for ICOF and AWCF. The "is/was" is alluding only to the fact that they may not - like most of us - have known that he went pervert on them.
Never made any innuendos that his present lifestyle was approved by them. I'm actually surprised that you thought I had... I see nothing remotely implying that I did.
My humble apologies. I misread your intent....not hard to do in forum life.....I've done it before and had it done to me.....I am truly sorry. I usually try to be more careful then that and will be so in the future.
My humble apologies. I misread your intent....not hard to do in forum life.....I've done it before and had it done to me.....I am truly sorry. I usually try to be more careful then that and will be so in the future.
This apology couldn't have come at a better time. someone must have tipped you.I heard there was discussion going on of a 7 day ban!!!!!!!
Theresa
10-22-2007, 10:43 AM
I'm glad my computer doesnt have speakers
I'm glad my computer doesnt have speakers
Why?
RevDWW
10-22-2007, 11:03 AM
This apology couldn't have come at a better time. someone must have tipped you.I heard there was discussion going on of a 7 day ban!!!!!!!
Nope, I wasn't tipped. Haven't heard about being banned, haven't received any warning.
MissBrattified
10-22-2007, 11:12 AM
Marvin Hicks told me personally that CG had the best affirmative argument of any debator he had ever heard. His rebuttals were not top notch but his affirmatives were over the top. But it always seemed to lack conviction to me personally. More from the head not the heart.
He was a pretty good debater...Jeff and I attended the one in Joplin...my impression was, that, the Church of Christ minister left madder than a hornet, and I thought, "What good is this doing, really?" But I suppose that was more about debates in general.
The Kid
10-22-2007, 11:31 AM
Jesus understands the gay lifestyle because HE was never married to a woman, and called the church HIS bride, and MEN ARE IN THE BRIDE????
I hope this guy loses a month of sleep with horrible nighmares of consuming dragons, beasts, and a firey eternity.
someone mentioned that he may be related to Ron Garrett in Phoenix ??
anyone know ??
Sherri
10-22-2007, 11:39 AM
Is there an inference here that Oneness Petecostals have a disproportionate number of Gay defectors?
Nope, just that most of the oneness Gay churches are pastored by ex-UPC guys. At least the ones in the group that I know of. They are also closely aligned with Carlton Pearson now.
However, four of the guys that I went to Bible college with are dead of AIDS, as well as my vice-president. Many many more are now living a gay lifestyle. I do think that they are drawn to a legalistic system, because the boundaries give them hope of keeping their tendencies under control. At some point though, unless they have been delivered completely, many of them end up acting upon those tendencies anyway.
RevDWW
10-22-2007, 11:47 AM
Nope, just that most of the oneness Gay churches are pastored by ex-UPC guys. At least the ones in the group that I know of. They are also closely aligned with Carlton Pearson now.
However, four of the guys that I went to Bible college with are dead of AIDS, as well as my vice-president. Many many more are now living a gay lifestyle. I do think that they are drawn to a legalistic system, because the boundaries give them hope of keeping their tendencies under control. At some point though, unless they have been delivered completely, many of them end up acting upon those tendencies anyway.
Sounds like the reason the Catholic Church may have the issues it has been dealing with, that and not allowing the priests to marry.
* * Major News Bulletin coming* *
we'll be hearing from someone related to this story soon !!!!!
dizzyde
10-22-2007, 12:13 PM
* * Major News Bulletin coming* *
we'll be hearing from someone related to this story soon !!!!!
REALLY???? Wow!!
timlan2057
10-22-2007, 12:29 PM
However, four of the guys that I went to Bible college with are dead of AIDS,
Nathan Hodges ... Kevin Ward ... can't think of the other two.
rgcraig
10-22-2007, 01:17 PM
Nathan Hodges ... Kevin Ward ... can't think of the other two.
Was it Mitch Nickens and Ronnie Mathison?
rgcraig
10-22-2007, 01:19 PM
who are these people ?
Read Sherri's post.
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 01:30 PM
HELLO EVERYONE!! This is my first time on here..actually didn't know about it... I am Christian Garretts former mom in law and I can answer your questions.
NO, HE IS NOT KIN TO ANY OTHER GARRETTS THAT YOU KNOW. His name is Stone by birth, he was adopted by his step dad in later years, hence the Garrett name.
He was only UPC for a very short time and went kicking and screaming into it then. He only did it because the church he was pastoring at the time was UPC.
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 01:33 PM
He was married to my daughter for 10 years and they had a marvelous ministry. Say what you will...they saw many many souls saved.
They do have 4 children and for all those concerned about the suffering inflicted on all of us, the children are the ones who have suffered the most.
We adults at least know where to lay the blame. The kids blame themselves
Esther
10-22-2007, 01:33 PM
HELLO EVERYONE!! This is my first time on here..actually didn't know about it... I am Christian Garretts former mom in law and I can answer your questions.
NO, HE IS NOT KIN TO ANY OTHER GARRETTS THAT YOU KNOW. His name is Stone by birth, he was adopted by his step dad in later years, hence the Garrett name.
He was only UPC for a very short time and went kicking and screaming into it then. He only did it because the church he was pastoring at the time was UPC.
Welcome to AFF!
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 01:35 PM
He was a pretty good debater...Jeff and I attended the one in Joplin...my impression was, that, the Church of Christ minister left madder than a hornet, and I thought, "What good is this doing, really?" But I suppose that was more about debates in general.
Just wondering if you are connected with Connie Shepard?(sp?)
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 01:37 PM
I heard he has a myspace ??
If someone has the link to it please post it
He is saying in this sermon that he is now working for Jay Baker
Yes, he is working for Jay Baker. Jay has been a really good friend to him during all his transition. He was also good friends with his mom, Tammy Faye.
dizzyde
10-22-2007, 01:38 PM
He was married to my daughter for 10 years and they had a marvelous ministry. Say what you will...they saw many many souls saved.
They do have 4 children and for all those concerned about the suffering inflicted on all of us, the children are the ones who have suffered the most.
We adults at least know where to lay the blame. The kids blame themselves
Sister, welcome, I can only imagine what your family has been through. I have had close friends go through this kind off situation, and I know how devastating it can be to EVERYONE involved, especially the children.
Yes, he is working for Jay Baker. Jay has been a really good friend to him during all his transition. He was also good friends with his mom, Tammy Faye.
welcome to the forum. glad you stopped by
MissBrattified
10-22-2007, 01:42 PM
Just wondering if you are connected with Connie Shepard?(sp?)
She's my oldest sister. CG preached for my Dad quite a few times in Joplin. Welcome to the forum.
The links and info on this thread...well...I haven't even shared it with my mother. It would break her heart.
Nope, just that most of the oneness Gay churches are pastored by ex-UPC guys. At least the ones in the group that I know of. They are also closely aligned with Carlton Pearson now.
However, four of the guys that I went to Bible college with are dead of AIDS, as well as my vice-president. Many many more are now living a gay lifestyle. I do think that they are drawn to a legalistic system, because the boundaries give them hope of keeping their tendencies under control. At some point though, unless they have been delivered completely, many of them end up acting upon those tendencies anyway.
Sherri, Don't you think this sort of comes across as a putdown? a "legalistic system" led to their spiritual demise ?
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 01:47 PM
btw, Tarah is doing really good now. She was in an extremely dangerous condition when we got her home 3 years ago. She was pregnant, severely ill, and she was very close to a nervous breakdown. It took all our prayer and the love and patience of our church and family to restore her. She is still not back 100% but getting better everyday. Their children are now 9,7,6, and 2. They are wonderful children and Christian stays away from them. He is very repentant of the hurt he has caused and is working hard everyday to make up for it by doing whatever Tarah feels is best by them.
rgcraig
10-22-2007, 01:48 PM
btw, Tarah is doing really good now. She was in an extremely dangerous condition when we got her home 3 years ago. She was pregnant, severely ill, and she was very close to a nervous breakdown. It took all our prayer and the love and patience of our church and family to restore her. She is still not back 100% but getting better everyday. Their children are now 9,7,6, and 2. They are wonderful children and Christian stays away from them. He is very repentant of the hurt he has caused and is working hard everyday to make up for it by doing whatever Tarah feels is best by them.
This is good to hear - thanks for sharing.
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 01:50 PM
She's my oldest sister. CG preached for my Dad quite a few times in Joplin. Welcome to the forum.
The links and info on this thread...well...I haven't even shared it with my mother. It would break her heart.
that's what I thought. I grew up in Bro. Segraves church in Dexter Mo. and my parents (and all of us) are bestest friends with Susie Hawks and her bunch. You are the baby, I think, And man oh man can you folks sing!!!
Thanks for the welcome. I will have to learn the protocol and my way around.
tamor
10-22-2007, 01:51 PM
I do remember one odd thing...I remember him saying that when he and his wife were married, that when they got to their hotel, they prayed together before...er...consummating the marriage. Not that its bad to pray...just it seemed a bit weird.... :depressed
MB.... I have heard others who have done that little ritual. Odd....
Why is that weird or odd? I think it sounds very special. :dunno
btw, Tarah is doing really good now. She was in an extremely dangerous condition when we got her home 3 years ago. She was pregnant, severely ill, and she was very close to a nervous breakdown. It took all our prayer and the love and patience of our church and family to restore her. She is still not back 100% but getting better everyday. Their children are now 9,7,6, and 2. They are wonderful children and Christian stays away from them. He is very repentant of the hurt he has caused and is working hard everyday to make up for it by doing whatever Tarah feels is best by them.
That is heartbreaking- we'll be in prayer for you and your entire family!
I know the members here extend their prayers and sympathy to you.
everyone i'm sure is wondering WHY would anyone throw such a beautiful family away for what been exchanged
MissBrattified
10-22-2007, 01:53 PM
that's what I thought. I grew up in Bro. Segraves church in Dexter Mo. and my parents (and all of us) are bestest friends with Susie Hawks and her bunch. You are the baby, I think, And man oh man can you folks sing!!!
Thank you! :)
Thanks for the welcome. I will have to learn the protocol and my way around.
The forum is fun...just have to develop a tough skin. :coffee2 I'm glad to hear that Tarrah is doing alright. I only met her once (maybe twice), but she seemed very sweet. (I'm certain you agree :D )
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 01:55 PM
I do want to address one more thing..on a personal note. My husband and I are not now nor have we ever been radical, foaming at the mouth, cons. We evangelized for almost 8 years back in the day and knew wonderful people that were but we are not. We are about as middle of the road as you can get. btw, Christian came to our town and lived with us after the baby was born and we helped him to try to restore himself and his marriage but things were just too far gone by then. We still did not know he was gay but we knew of other things going on. We still love him dearly. We are praying everday for his safety.
DividedThigh
10-22-2007, 01:57 PM
Nathan Hodges ... Kevin Ward ... can't think of the other two.
i knew about kevin and nathan hodges, wasnt nathan wolsefer one of those guys, dt:hypercoffee
Esther
10-22-2007, 01:57 PM
He was married to my daughter for 10 years and they had a marvelous ministry. Say what you will...they saw many many souls saved.
They do have 4 children and for all those concerned about the suffering inflicted on all of us, the children are the ones who have suffered the most.
We adults at least know where to lay the blame. The kids blame themselves
This I hate to see. :(
DividedThigh
10-22-2007, 01:59 PM
This I hate to see. :(
i will sure pray for them, in jesus name, dt:hypercoffee
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 01:59 PM
Why is that weird or odd? I think it sounds very special. :dunno
Tarah was at my house a little while ago and read this and firmly disputed the truth in it. Don't doubt he would say it (probably to make a point of some kind, he is good at that) but it is not true. Please have no doubt, Tarah was never given any indication of a problem through their marriage as far as his preferences were concerned. Things were always fine and no reason to question.
tamor
10-22-2007, 02:02 PM
Tarah was at my house a little while ago and read this and firmly disputed the truth in it. Don't doubt he would say it (probably to make a point of some kind, he is good at that) but it is not true. Please have no doubt, Tarah was never given any indication of a problem through their marriage as far as his preferences were concerned. Things were always fine and no reason to question.
That goes right back to another thread that some of us have differences of opinions on. The wife does not always know what is going on.
Esther
10-22-2007, 02:02 PM
Tarah was at my house a little while ago and read this and firmly disputed the truth in it. Don't doubt he would say it (probably to make a point of some kind, he is good at that) but it is not true. Please have no doubt, Tarah was never given any indication of a problem through their marriage as far as his preferences were concerned. Things were always fine and no reason to question.
She is indeed blessed to have a strong support from you and her Dad.
Keep up the fight and may God give you more strength and wisdom to continue. All of you.
And may God give peace to the children!
timlan2057
10-22-2007, 02:03 PM
Was it Mitch Nickens and Ronnie Mathison?
Okay, Mitch Nickens was one.
RM is deceased but I thought I heard it was a car accident.
I hesitate to mention other names I THINK it might be.
We thought Tim Bushnell was dead and I think Pianoman was about to put him on the memorial slide show for the JCM reunion when he responded to an email. :hypercoffee
Tarah was at my house a little while ago and read this and firmly disputed the truth in it. Don't doubt he would say it (probably to make a point of some kind, he is good at that) but it is not true. Please have no doubt, Tarah was never given any indication of a problem through their marriage as far as his preferences were concerned. Things were always fine and no reason to question.
THANKS FOR SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT!!
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 02:09 PM
The last thing I want to address for now is something I feel I have the right to say. Do not tell me that you always knew something was wrong or he wasn't quite right...that is such a slap in the face. He was sooo sucessful and brilliant and capable. He preached for BIG guys and older wise Preachers from Bro. Larson to Joel Holmes and praying men and women. So don't act as though you knew and if you did and didn't share it to spare years of heartache..well, what does that say about your compassion? Sorry to you kind folks just a little venting
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 02:11 PM
That goes right back to another thread that some of us have differences of opinions on. The wife does not always know what is going on.
I think I messed up on where to post this one. To clarify, I was referring to the statement that they prayed before consumating on their honeymoon. And you are right, the wife does not alway know. She may know something is wrong but you never jump to THAT conclusion automatically.
Esther
10-22-2007, 02:12 PM
The last thing I want to address for now is something I feel I have the right to say. Do not tell me that you always knew something was wrong or he wasn't quite right...that is such a slap in the face. He was sooo sucessful and brilliant and capable. He preached for BIG guys and older wise Preachers from Bro. Larson to Joel Holmes and praying men and women. So don't act as though you knew and if you did and didn't share it to spare years of heartache..well, what does that say about your compassion? Sorry to you kind folks just a little venting
That is a pet peeve of mine as well, folks always "knew" but never shared they knew until AFTER the fact!
RevDWW
10-22-2007, 02:13 PM
I do want to address one more thing..on a personal note. My husband and I are not now nor have we ever been radical, foaming at the mouth, cons. We evangelized for almost 8 years back in the day and knew wonderful people that were but we are not. We are about as middle of the road as you can get. btw, Christian came to our town and lived with us after the baby was born and we helped him to try to restore himself and his marriage but things were just too far gone by then. We still did not know he was gay but we knew of other things going on. We still love him dearly. We are praying everday for his safety.
That is an awesome statement. That, in my humble opinion, is being a true Christian folks!
rgcraig
10-22-2007, 02:15 PM
The last thing I want to address for now is something I feel I have the right to say. Do not tell me that you always knew something was wrong or he wasn't quite right...that is such a slap in the face. He was sooo sucessful and brilliant and capable. He preached for BIG guys and older wise Preachers from Bro. Larson to Joel Holmes and praying men and women. So don't act as though you knew and if you did and didn't share it to spare years of heartache..well, what does that say about your compassion? Sorry to you kind folks just a little venting
And I do not blame you for setting the record straight or venting!
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 02:15 PM
I will let that be all for now, thanks for letting me add my two cents. If you wanted to talk to him you could go to his my space and he will reply to any emails. He is not set to private as of an hour ago.
rgcraig
10-22-2007, 02:15 PM
That is a pet peeve of mine as well, folks always "knew" but never shared they knew until AFTER the fact!
Exactly!
Theresa
10-22-2007, 02:16 PM
I will let that be all for now, thanks for letting me add my two cents. If you wanted to talk to him you could go to his my space and he will reply to any emails. He is not set to private as of an hour ago.
bless you sweet sister!
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 02:16 PM
And I do not blame you for setting the record straight or venting!
I gotta tell you that my inside skinny woman empathizes with yours. I keep mine sedated Blue Bell cookies and cream ice cream. LOL
rgcraig
10-22-2007, 02:18 PM
I gotta tell you that my inside skinny woman empathizes with yours. I keep mine sedated Blue Bell cookies and cream ice cream. LOL
LOL!!!
Well, stick around and post on other threads that are more encouraging - - if you can't find those, then start one! :icecream
Mr. Steinway
10-22-2007, 02:19 PM
Okay, Mitch Nickens was one.
RM is deceased but I thought I heard it was a car accident.
I hesitate to mention other names I THINK it might be.
We thought Tim Bushnell was dead and I think Pianoman was about to put him on the memorial slide show for the JCM reunion when he responded to an email. :hypercoffee
Yes, that is true! I sent out an email with a list of those that were deceased, and someone emailed me back with Tim's phone number! Tim was a good sport and laughed it off when I talked to him on the phone! :)
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 02:20 PM
Exactly!
ditto, then you think well...who are you to know and not me? He was right under my nose. Am I that spriitually dead that I can't see what is obvious?
rgcraig
10-22-2007, 02:22 PM
ditto, then you think well...who are you to know and not me? He was right under my nose. Am I that spriitually dead that I can't see what is obvious?
Same as the folks that tell you that God told them something about you -- I've always felt that if God wants me to know something that he'll probably speak to me first!!!
I will let that be all for now, thanks for letting me add my two cents. If you wanted to talk to him you could go to his my space and he will reply to any emails. He is not set to private as of an hour ago.
you mean talk to christian Garrett ?
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 02:22 PM
Of course not everyone liked Christian. He was too in your face and mean for a lot of folks. But he was a good preacher. He really regrets that meaness now, ironically
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 02:23 PM
you mean talk to christian Garrett ?
Yes, Christian. Why not?
The last thing I want to address for now is something I feel I have the right to say. Do not tell me that you always knew something was wrong or he wasn't quite right...that is such a slap in the face. He was sooo sucessful and brilliant and capable. He preached for BIG guys and older wise Preachers from Bro. Larson to Joel Holmes and praying men and women. So don't act as though you knew and if you did and didn't share it to spare years of heartache..well, what does that say about your compassion? Sorry to you kind folks just a little venting
who are you referring this to specifically ?
tamor
10-22-2007, 02:27 PM
That is a pet peeve of mine as well, folks always "knew" but never shared they knew until AFTER the fact!
Amen Sister!
Blubayou
10-22-2007, 02:28 PM
BCB- I appreciate your attitude and compassion in this situation. It would be very easy for you to be very angry at CG for the hurt he inflicted on your daughter and grandchildren. Please be sure your daughter and grandchildren have a strong support system and get counseling if problems spring up. I had a friend who went thought this same situation and she had a very hard time dealing with it.
Yes, Christian. Why not?
okay, well it will be interesting to see if anyone does or wants to make contact
tamor
10-22-2007, 02:30 PM
I think I messed up on where to post this one. To clarify, I was referring to the statement that they prayed before consumating on their honeymoon. And you are right, the wife does not alway know. She may know something is wrong but you never jump to THAT conclusion automatically.
Don't worry. You're quite alright. But I still don't see anything wrong if a couple chose to pray before they consumate their marriage.
I guess that stems from the fact that I am in a second marriage and the difference in them.
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 02:42 PM
who are you referring this to specifically ?
Sooo many have let us know that they just knew something. Well, like I said, not everyone liked him and he was the messiest person I have ever known and could be hateful and narcissistic beyond words and on and on. But there is no denying he was productive. He came from the baptist/AG world. He had no connections and yet preached for some of the best. He has singlehandedly destroyed his life. I think of the scripture that says.. On the morrow they stripped the slain...referring to the sons of the king strewn on the battlefield. I hate debates but he was the best I ever heard at it. I should know we debated plenty. People had plenty to dislike about him, no doubt, such as his constant pratical jokes and decorated cars at weddings. But the fact that he was gay all along???? I guess I'm just tired of overbearing folks who try to pretend they knew something was wrong. Sorry is that too strong?
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 02:45 PM
Don't worry. You're quite alright. But I still don't see anything wrong if a couple chose to pray before they consumate their marriage.
I guess that stems from the fact that I am in a second marriage and the difference in them.
I agree there is nothing wrong with it. It just didn't happen in this case. I was just going through trying to set that straight, among other things. I say the more prayer the better no matter when or where. Maybe they should have???
Sooo many have let us know that they just knew something. Well, like I said, not everyone liked him and he was the messiest person I have ever known and could be hateful and narcissistic beyond words and on and on. But there is no denying he was productive. He came from the baptist/AG world. He had no connections and yet preached for some of the best. He has singlehandedly destroyed his life. I think of the scripture that says.. On the morrow they stripped the slain...referring to the sons of the king strewn on the battlefield. I hate debates but he was the best I ever heard at it. I should know we debated plenty. People had plenty to dislike about him, no doubt, such as his constant pratical jokes and decorated cars at weddings. But the fact that he was gay all along???? I guess I'm just tired of overbearing folks who try to pretend they knew something was wrong. Sorry is that too strong?
why do YOU think he would do this?
can you express what your daughter thinks of all of this ?
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 02:50 PM
I really have to go for now, do you folks say goodbye when you leave the forum? I do find it rather comical (and it may prove my point), Thad, that Christian's news is "Earth Shaking".
I really have to go for now, do you folks say goodbye when you leave the forum? I do find it rather comical (and it may prove my point), Thad, that Christian's news is "Earth Shaking".
are you leaving for good or just for now ?
"earth shaking", for some it was.also, it's just my style of posting nevermind!!:pirate
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 02:56 PM
why do YOU think he would do this?
can you express what your daughter thinks of all of this ?
Very quickly...she has been nearly destroyed. We knew him for 4 years before they married. He was such an incredible man in her eyes. She was his biggest fan and loved him with all her heart. Many said she was the only woman that could have put up with him. The worst part is that it has been a process of finding out things over the past 2 1/2 years, each thing more devestating. But she is strong and has her own relationship with God and has invested her time in saving her children instead of wallowing. She does not hate him but she in no way agrees with him, did not ever suspect it before he told her, and did not say the things he claimed she said about the situation. Are you aware he almost killled himself a few months back? It's been really rough.
tamor
10-22-2007, 02:57 PM
I agree there is nothing wrong with it. It just didn't happen in this case. I was just going through trying to set that straight, among other things. I say the more prayer the better no matter when or where. Maybe they should have???
:pirate It probably would not have made a difference in his case. :pirate
tamor
10-22-2007, 02:58 PM
"earth shaking", for some it was.also, it's just my style of posting nevermind!!:pirate
:toofunny
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 02:58 PM
are you leaving for good or just for now ?
"earth shaking", for some it was.also, it's just my style of posting nevermind!!:pirate
It just sounds soooo sensational. Christian would love that part.
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 02:59 PM
:pirate It probably would not have made a difference in his case. :pirate
According to his claims of how long he has hidden all of this you are correct. It would not have made any difference at all.
Very quickly...she has been nearly destroyed. We knew him for 4 years before they married. He was such an incredible man in her eyes. She was his biggest fan and loved him with all her heart. Many said she was the only woman that could have put up with him. The worst part is that it has been a process of finding out things over the past 2 1/2 years, each thing more devestating. But she is strong and has her own relationship with God and has invested her time in saving her children instead of wallowing. She does not hate him but she in no way agrees with him, did not ever suspect it before he told her, and did not say the things he claimed she said about the situation. Are you aware he almost killled himself a few months back? It's been really rough.
Wow that's really Bad! can you share why ? he claims he is happy now from that sermon
rgcraig
10-22-2007, 03:05 PM
BCB- I appreciate your attitude and compassion in this situation. It would be very easy for you to be very angry at CG for the hurt he inflicted on your daughter and grandchildren. Please be sure your daughter and grandchildren have a strong support system and get counseling if problems spring up. I had a friend who went thought this same situation and she had a very hard time dealing with it.
Me too - very classy when she could be very bitter about it all!
Buffy
10-22-2007, 03:06 PM
.........ILuvFPC, it is totally shocking. ...Are you talking about Bro. C.E. George in Jonesboro as being the pastor who died? I think Bro. Epley said he had attended Bro. Blessingame's church in Conway, Arkansas first and then Jonesboro? Maybe? I may have been at NLR in 1999. I can't remember. I know I was there one year around that time. All I know is that I heard about him and did hear him preach once (my husband had to remind me - so this guy must not have been too memorable) - but didn't realize he'd gone so far off the deep end.
I was telling Bro. George's son about this yesterday at church. He didn't say a whole lot, just that he knew about it. It really saddens them!
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 03:06 PM
why do YOU think he would do this?
can you express what your daughter thinks of all of this ?
As far as the why? He is turning 40 soon and had come to a place in his life that he had to own up to what he was on the inside. He was tired of hiding. He had been all there is to be in the religious world without contentment and was fed up with himself. He decided to come clean and be what he felt he had really always been. This is his explanation. Mine? Too long to post all of it so I will sum up with one word. Narcissism.
tamor
10-22-2007, 03:06 PM
It just sounds soooo sensational. Christian would love that part.
You'll find out real quick. Thad loves sensationalism!! :reaction
And we love him for it!! He's our Thaddy!
rgcraig
10-22-2007, 03:07 PM
As far as the why? He is turning 40 soon and had come to a place in his life that he had to own up to what he was on the inside. He was tired of hiding. He had been all there is to be in the religious world without contentment and was fed up with himself. He decided to come clean and be what he felt he had really always been. This is his explanation. Mine? Too long to post all of it so I will sum up with one word. Narcissism.
Also, another reason - - maybe - SIN!
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 03:07 PM
I was telling Bro. George's son about this yesterday at church. He didn't say a whole lot, just that he knew about it. It really saddens them!
Which son?
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 03:11 PM
Me too - very classy when she could be very bitter about it all!
I've had my moments. Christian knows about them and I always do my venting to him, not Tarah. She has a wonderful support system including our church, extended family, and Christian's mother who is equally devastated.
MissBrattified
10-22-2007, 03:13 PM
The last thing I want to address for now is something I feel I have the right to say. Do not tell me that you always knew something was wrong or he wasn't quite right...that is such a slap in the face. He was sooo sucessful and brilliant and capable. He preached for BIG guys and older wise Preachers from Bro. Larson to Joel Holmes and praying men and women. So don't act as though you knew and if you did and didn't share it to spare years of heartache..well, what does that say about your compassion? Sorry to you kind folks just a little venting
I understand completely, and I certainly never suspected anything. My parents loved him, and so did I for that matter...he was a complete sweetheart, and we enjoyed having him at our house. He was a bit messy...LOL...I think my Mom told him one morning to make up his bed...and he had sermon notes everywhere, even on the floor.
tamor
10-22-2007, 03:13 PM
I've had my moments. Christian knows about them and I always do my venting to him, not Tarah. She has a wonderful support system including our church, extended family, and Christian's mother who is equally devastated.
Has she stayed close to Tarah and the kids?
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 03:18 PM
I understand completely, and I certainly never suspected anything. My parents loved him, and so did I for that matter...he was a complete sweetheart, and we enjoyed having him at our house. He was a bit messy...LOL...I think my Mom told him one morning to make up his bed...and he had sermon notes everywhere, even on the floor.
Yep, he loved going to your place. and loved your family. He always brought home tapes with amazing music and I loved it. He hasn't lived with me for almost 2 years and I am still cleaning his mess. LOL
Buffy
10-22-2007, 03:19 PM
that's what I thought. I grew up in Bro. Segraves church in Dexter Mo. and my parents (and all of us) are bestest friends with Susie Hawks and her bunch. You are the baby, I think, And man oh man can you folks sing!!!
Thanks for the welcome. I will have to learn the protocol and my way around.
Did you and your husband preach a revival in Trumann, AR back probably in the late 70's early 80's.
You'll find out real quick. Thad loves sensationalism!! :reaction
And we love him for it!! He's our Thaddy!
WOW! God is doing a new thing in this Forum!!!!! coming from Tamor??? goodness
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 03:20 PM
Has she stayed close to Tarah and the kids?
very close to all of us. We have been family for over 10 years now. I just talked to her about 45 mins. ago. she a real sweet lady who loves her grandbabies and would do anything for them. We are blessed to have her.
Wow that's really Bad! can you share why ? he claims he is happy now from that sermon
Bump for bcarolb
rgcraig
10-22-2007, 03:22 PM
Bump for bcarolb
She already answered you - post #213
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 03:22 PM
Wow that's really Bad! can you share why ? he claims he is happy now from that sermon
The best thing to do is go to his myspace and read the blog about it and I think he has a sermon about it as well. God spared him no doubt. He tells it best.
She already answered you - post #213
No that was a different Question.
this one was about his suicide attempt
The best thing to do is go to his myspace and read the blog about it and I think he has a sermon about it as well. God spared him no doubt. He tells it best.
okay
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 03:25 PM
Did you and your husband preach a revival in Trumann, AR back probably in the late 70's early 80's.
YES WE DID!!! Sorry, I'm just finding this I have become a little lost this afternoon. Were you there?
tamor
10-22-2007, 03:25 PM
WOW! God is doing a new thing in this Forum!!!!! coming from Tamor??? goodness
Ha Ha. Funny! You know I was in the campaign to get you back on here! :guns
I stay on this side of the track more than I do the other one!
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 03:26 PM
No that was a different Question.
this one was about his suicide attempt
Don't worry 'bout it. I am as confused as you are. I stay that way.
Ha Ha. Funny! You know I was in the campaign to get you back on here! :snapout
You did?? i seroiusly never knew that! you use to be pretty hard on me but yea,,,you have eased up :pirate
I stay on this side of the track more than I do the other one!
what in the world do you mean by this ?
anwers above
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 03:28 PM
to anyone...what does bump mean?
Don't worry 'bout it. I am as confused as you are. I stay that way.
you've done great ! especially for being a first time poster
to anyone...what does bump mean?
members "bump" up a post that they think might have gotton overlooked or ignored.
they bump it up to the next page
Sherri
10-22-2007, 03:30 PM
Sherri, Don't you think this sort of comes across as a putdown? a "legalistic system" led to their spiritual demise ?
Thad, you misunderstood what I was saying. I don't think the legalistic system led to their downfall at all. I just think that they are drawn to legalistic systems, hoping for protection by all the boundaries. It doesn't cause their downfalls; just doesn't necessarily protect them like they think it would. No system can protect you from sin!
* * QUESTION* *
Does you daughter know about this forum and our questions, etc.?
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 03:31 PM
to anyone...what does bump mean?
Tarah and the kids have arrived so I will go for now. Thanks everyone I will return later tonight to check everything out.
tamor
10-22-2007, 03:31 PM
you've done great ! especially for being a first time poster
Yeah she has. :scoregood
Thad, you misunderstood what I was saying. I don't think the legalistic system led to their downfall at all. I just think that they are drawn to legalistic systems, hoping for protection by all the boundaries. It doesn't cause their downfalls; just doesn't necessarily protect them like they think it would. No system can protect you from sin!
Sherri what do you mean by "system" ? how do you define a legalistic system ?
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 03:35 PM
members "bump" up a post that they think might have gotton overlooked or ignored.
they bump it up to the next page
thanks for the info. I will get the hang of it.
tamor please see post #232
Buffy
10-22-2007, 03:38 PM
YES WE DID!!! Sorry, I'm just finding this I have become a little lost this afternoon. Were you there?
Yes, I was a teenager. Your husband made a statement that I thought was great. I wrote it down in the front of my bible.
bcarolb
10-22-2007, 03:39 PM
* * QUESTION* *
Does you daughter know about this forum and our questions, etc.?
She knows, I would never have posted anything without asking her first. That's
She knows, I would never have posted anything without asking her first. That's
let us know what she thinks of it ( the forum, topic, post,etc)
tamor
10-22-2007, 03:45 PM
tamor please see post #232
Give me time. I am at work. I have to at least pretend to be busy....:pirate
Ha Ha. Funny! You know I was in the campaign to get you back on here!
You did?? i seroiusly never knew that! you use to be pretty hard on me but yea,,,you have eased up
I stay on this side of the track more than I do the other one!
what in the world do you mean by this ?
anwers above
#1. I was not hard on you. I just didn't talk to ya much. I was shy.....(yeah right).
#2. On this side of the track - you've never heard of "the other side of the tracks"? It's just an expression.....
:reaction:reaction
aquestioninggirl
10-22-2007, 03:47 PM
okay, well it will be interesting to see if anyone does or wants to make contact
Ok I was able to see his page this time but... WARNING: those faint at heart there are some pretty graphic pictures on his page that people have posted. I e-mailed him so I will let you know if he e-mails me back.
Ok I was able to see his page this time but... WARNING: those faint at heart there are some pretty graphic pictures on his page that people have posted. I e-mailed him so I will let you know if he e-mails me back.
No you didnt- you are serious? why ?
Give me time. I am at work. I have to at least pretend to be busy....:pirate
#1. I was not hard on you. I just didn't talk to ya much. I was shy.....(yeah right).
#2. On this side of the track - you've never heard of "the other side of the tracks"? It's just an expression.....
:reaction:reaction
Help her Lord! sherri this is one of YOURS you know :pirate
aquestioninggirl
10-22-2007, 03:52 PM
Did you and your husband preach a revival in Trumann, AR back probably in the late 70's early 80's.
Are ya'll from Arkansas? I knew you looked familier.
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