FALLOUT continues!!!!! 30 Churches pulling out in GEORGIA???

[Thad]

Got word today that 30 churches in GA. are pulling out ???????


I heard that GA was a pretty conservative state- didn't know that it would come to this WOW!!


can anyone confirm????

[Thad]

wonder what Atlanta west will do -----anyone know ???

are they con or lib??


I'm sure copeland is probably pulling out - no ???

[papapraiz]

30 Churches pulling out in GEORGIA???

or 30 Churches pulling out in GEORGIA!!!

Are you asking a question or making a statement?

[Kutless]

I heard this too Thad. Friend of a friend thing. This is growing? Someone speculated a 10% loss. Is this a low estimation? Also heard today that a District official from Mich. was pulling as well.

My My My. Will the little UPCI survive?

[Thad]

30 Churches pulling out in GEORGIA???

or 30 Churches pulling out in GEORGIA!!!

Are you asking a question or making a statement?


asking for input , verification


I was told this - not sure if they meant disafiliated or that the entire church pulled out including the pastor

[Thad]

I heard this too Thad. Friend of a friend thing. This is growing? Someone speculated a 10% loss. Is this a low estimation? Also heard today that a District official from Mich. was pulling as well.

My My My. Will the little UPCI survive?


I heard that oregon is going thru a big shake up as well as MS

[Thad]

wonder what Atlanta west will do -----anyone know ???

are they con or lib??


I'm sure copeland is probably pulling out - no ???


Kutless, what about these Qs ?

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Thad, don't forget that there are many preachers in the following states also rumored to be leaving.

State of Confusion
State of East Dakota
State of Disarray
State of Kalamazoo
State of Declaration they don't agree with Resolutions
State of the Union
State of Denial


I wish I could quote one post on another forum here talking about Districts pulling out. I don't want to be banned from the other Forum.

:stirpot

[Digging4Truth]

I heard this too Thad. Friend of a friend thing. This is growing? Someone speculated a 10% loss. Is this a low estimation? Also heard today that a District official from Mich. was pulling as well.

My My My. Will the little UPCI survive?

One thing is for sure...

The church will, absolutely, survive.

These organizational subdividings are inconsequential.

[Kutless]

Kutless, what about these Qs ?can't answer to that Thad.

Someone told that Il......Ohio......and Mich were the liberal districts so I thought it odd that a group was pulling from Mich.

[Thad]

can't answer to that Thad.

Someone told that Il......Ohio......and Mich were the liberal districts so I thought it odd that a group was pulling from Mich.


now that is the TRUTH! LOL

I know one thing, It's not the Baker group hehehe!

[determined]

Curious about Tennessee, Missouri and Oklahoma

[Thad]

Curious about Tennessee, Missouri and Oklahoma


I doubt TN will be affected much- they're notoriously liberal.
Missiouri ...i \'m not sure . they are fairly moderate- I doubt they will feel much effect.
now, Okla. is another story- I have a feeling they will feel some impact

[HeavenlyOne]

can't answer to that Thad.

Someone told that Il......Ohio......and Mich were the liberal districts so I thought it odd that a group was pulling from Mich.

IL is liberal?



:killinme :killinme :killinme


:nah

[Kutless]

IL is liberal?



:killinme :killinme :killinme


:nahI'm sensing thatyou may disagree?

[AtlantaBishop]

Got word today that 30 churches in GA. are pulling out ???????

I heard that GA was a pretty conservative state- didn't know that it would come to this WOW!!

can anyone confirm????

I cannot get anyone to confirm this but where would they go if they did leave? I know of at least 50 that have left and gone independent because of the backwoods mentality of this GA District. They have lost ALL the progressive churches with buildings in my area! There are two UPC's in Marietta that rent storefronts with a handfull of people in each one - just a few miles apart.
Who will lead these rebellious renegades??????????? Maybe someone with an 8th Grade Education?????????

Here are just a few of the 21 rules and regulations, standards of HOLINESS that the GEORGIA DISTRICT UPCI gave us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO Mickey Mouse Watches or T-Shirts.

NO "A" on ball cap. The prohibition of ball caps was lifted but with the stipulation that there be NO "A" on any ball cap. You can have a "B" or "C" but NOT AN "A"!

NO splits of any kind in any dresses or skirts. WE ALL KNOW WHAT THOSE UNGODLY SPLITS MEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There will be a "Split skirt committee" that will judge if anyone has dared to wear a split skirt and if so - they will have material to sow in back of the split!!!!!!!!! FOLKS - I AM NOT JOKING HERE!

The blond haired blue eye white boys with blond peach fuzz can stay but the black haired - black peach fuzz boys have to shave or leave. They will set up a mustache committee to make sure if the peach fuzz is "dark enough" they will have to shave or leave!

NO - Colored Lip Dew. I did ask if they could PLEASE have cherry or grape chap-stick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now don't that sound like a district of fine, upright, sensible, progressive, soul winning men that intend to win the world for JESUS CHRIST???????????

And people wonder why the UPC is losing good men???????????

[Thad]

I cannot get anyone to confirm this but where would they go if they did leave. I know of at least 50 that have left and gone independent because of the backwoods mentality of this GA District. They have lost ALL the progressive churches with buildings in my area! There are two UPC's in Marietta that rent storefronts with a handfull of people in each one - just a few miles apart.
Who will lead these rebellious renegades??????????? Maybe someone with an 8th Grade Education?????????

Here are just a few of the 21 rules and regulations, standards of HOLINESS that the GEORGIA DISTRICT UPCI gave us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO Mickey Mouse Watches or T-Shirts.

NO "A" on ball cap. The prohibition of ball caps was lifted but with the stipulation that there be NO "A" on any ball cap. You can have a "B" or "C" but NOT AN "A"!

NO splits of any kind in any dresses or skirts. WE ALL KNOW WHAT THOSE UNGODLY SPLITS MEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There will be a "Split skirt committee" that will judge if anyone has dared to wear a split skirt and if so - they will have material to sow in back of the split!!!!!!!!! FOLKS - I AM NOT JOKING HERE!

The blond haired blue eye white boys with blond peach fuzz can stay but the black haired - black peach fuzz boys have to shave or leave. They will set up a mustache committee to make sure if the peach fuzz is "dark enough" they will have to shave or leave!

NO - Colored Lip Dew. I did ask if they could PLEASE have cherry or grape chap-stick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now don't that sound like a district of fine, upright, sensible, progressive, soul winning men that intend to win the world for JESUS CHRIST???????????

And people wonder why the UPC is losing good men???????????

no ball caps with an "A" ???

what about AtlantaWest ? are they considered moderate ?

HEY! what about you?? you could perhaps get back in the UPC now - no??:pirate

[Kutless]

I cannot get anyone to confirm this but where would they go if they did leave? I know of at least 50 that have left and gone independent because of the backwoods mentality of this GA District. They have lost ALL the progressive churches with buildings in my area! There are two UPC's in Marietta that rent storefronts with a handfull of people in each one - just a few miles apart.
Who will lead these rebellious renegades??????????? Maybe someone with an 8th Grade Education?????????

Here are just a few of the 21 rules and regulations, standards of HOLINESS that the GEORGIA DISTRICT UPCI gave us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO Mickey Mouse Watches or T-Shirts.

NO "A" on ball cap. The prohibition of ball caps was lifted but with the stipulation that there be NO "A" on any ball cap. You can have a "B" or "C" but NOT AN "A"!

NO splits of any kind in any dresses or skirts. WE ALL KNOW WHAT THOSE UNGODLY SPLITS MEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There will be a "Split skirt committee" that will judge if anyone has dared to wear a split skirt and if so - they will have material to sow in back of the split!!!!!!!!! FOLKS - I AM NOT JOKING HERE!

The blond haired blue eye white boys with blond peach fuzz can stay but the black haired - black peach fuzz boys have to shave or leave. They will set up a mustache committee to make sure if the peach fuzz is "dark enough" they will have to shave or leave!

NO - Colored Lip Dew. I did ask if they could PLEASE have cherry or grape chap-stick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now don't that sound like a district of fine, upright, sensible, progressive, soul winning men that intend to win the world for JESUS CHRIST???????????

And people wonder why the UPC is losing good men???????????I don't get the "A" ball cap thing? This is obviously the extreme right view. Surely the Tulsa organizers aren't that UC are they?

[HeavenlyOne]

I'm sensing thatyou may disagree?

Having been born and raised in the UPC in Illinois and lived there for 36 years, having personally been a member of 6 churches in the north, south, and western IL, and visited countless others, some on a regular basis to the point that I knew the members well, yes, I most certainly disagree!! LOL!

[Thad]

Having been born and raised in the UPC in Illinois and lived there for 36 years, having personally been a member of 6 churches in the north, south, and western IL, and visited countless others, some on a regular basis to the point that I knew the members well, yes, I most certainly disagree!! LOL!


what exactly are you 2 disagreeing on ???

[Kutless]

what exactly are you 2 disagreeing on ???HO is probably for the most part right....especially in the Southern part of the state. And I can vouch for some serious freaky cons in other areas.

But I would say that there are some progressives popping up and experiencing great succcess.

[AtlantaBishop]

no ball caps with an "A" ???

what about AtlantaWest ? are they considered moderate ?

HEY! what about you?? you could perhaps get back in the UPC now - no??:pirate

Atlanta West is a great Church led by a great man - Pastor Darrell Johns. He is a man with good sense and I cannot ever see him leaving the UPC. AWPC is a Conservative church but I would say - you might see a few wedding rings (he does not allow them to my understanding) and some trimmed hair and a few effeminate boys - but for the most part - it is Conservative and I don't think he will ever go anywhere else. Pastor Johns is a very good and honorable man that took a BAD (when DF left) situation. Some left and all the UPC churches around took them in - except ONE! I sent over 30 back and told them - you have a great church and a great pastor - go back and work like you have never worked and make things happen there - back your Pastor! They went back - they stayed and today they are the main leaders and ministry of AWPC. The HARD NOSE RADICAL MEAN ONES - did not do that - they took them in and hurt a lot of people by it.

I hope they do leave it - the UPC will be MUCH BETTER OFF WITHOUT THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There are some that have always been trouble and they never have fellowshipped much with the District. They are TOO GOOD to fellowship with people that have a little education and are under 300 pounds!

The sad answer to your question - I just can't go back in - I have an "A" on my ball cap and I use cherry chap stick at times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :slaphappy

[HeavenlyOne]

HO is probably for the most part right....especially in the Southern part of the state. And I can vouch for some serious freaky cons in other areas.

But I would say that there are some progressives popping up and experiencing great succcess.

I'm sure that there are progressives popping up, but that's everywhere....I hope.

The church I was a member of for about 7 years in southern Illinois was conservative for the most part, but he did allow culottes in the right situation, would allow rings other than wedding ones, makeup on women, and pants on women. However, those things could only be done in certain situations that called for it, and the rings had to be worn with a reason other than vanity.

[LadyRev]

I doubt TN will be affected much- they're notoriously liberal.


You are more "loaded" than the spreaders out in the fields up here!

And I put that as "nicely" as I could!

There are alot of very conservative churches in TN whether you believe it or not. All because they believe a woman should shave armpit hair doesn't make them liberal!!! :snapout

[JTULLOCK]

now that is the TRUTH! LOL

I know one thing, It's not the Baker group hehehe!

I too doubt that Bro. Baker in MI would leave at all. I know him fairly well and he has no problems with Tv, or at least he used to not have trouble with it. I know out of his church there are several pastors that are on staff there that are ALJC memebers. His church and my home church in TN (ALJC) would always fellowship. He would preach for us alot and my Bishop would preach for him often as well. I agree with you that if people in MI leave it ain't Bro Baker!

[Thad]

HO is probably for the most part right....especially in the Southern part of the state. And I can vouch for some serious freaky cons in other areas.

But I would say that there are some progressives popping up and experiencing great succcess.


isn't there one in Illinois that makes all his men wear Bow ties????

I believe he taught that regular neck ties were wrong?

[Mr. Steinway]

.....NO "A" on ball cap. The prohibition of ball caps was lifted but with the stipulation that there be NO "A" on any ball cap. You can have a "B" or "C" but NOT AN "A"!.....

So...you can be a Cubs or Red Sox fan, but not a Braves fan?????????

[Thad]

Atlanta West is a great Church led by a great man - Pastor Darrell Johns. He is a man with good sense and I cannot ever see him leaving the UPC. AWPC is a Conservative church but I would say - you might see a few wedding rings (he does not allow them to my understanding) and some trimmed hair and a few effeminate boys - but for the most part - it is Conservative and I don't think he will ever go anywhere else. Pastor Johns is a very good and honorable man that took a BAD (when DF left) situation. Some left and all the UPC churches around took them in - except ONE! I sent over 30 back and told them - you have a great church and a great pastor - go back and work like you have never worked and make things happen there - back your Pastor! They went back - they stayed and today they are the main leaders and ministry of AWPC. The HARD NOSE RADICAL MEAN ONES - did not do that - they took them in and hurt a lot of people by it.

I hope they do leave it - the UPC will be MUCH BETTER OFF WITHOUT THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There are some that have always been trouble and they never have fellowshipped much with the District. They are TOO GOOD to fellowship with people that have a little education and are under 300 pounds!

The sad answer to your question - I just can't go back in - I have an "A" on my ball cap and I use cherry chap stick at times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :slaphappy

That is hilarious! yea we noticed that your lips had been a little redder then before :pirate <---
that's too bad because I had heard that your wife was reaaaally hoping and pushing for you to get back in the UPC!

[Thad]

I too doubt that Bro. Baker in MI would leave at all. I know him fairly well and he has no problems with Tv, or at least he used to not have trouble with it. I know out of his church there are several pastors that are on staff there that are ALJC memebers. His church and my home church in TN (ALJC) would always fellowship. He would preach for us alot and my Bishop would preach for him often as well. I agree with you that if people in MI leave it ain't Bro Baker!

I'm surprised to hear that anyone from MI is leaving PERIOD!

[Mr. Steinway]

isn't there one in Illinois that makes all his men wear Bow ties????

I believe he taught that regular neck ties were wrong?

When I was a teenager in the Illinois district (I won camper of the year one year!) Bro. Wayne Mitchell from Moline always wore a bowtie, and some men from his church copied him! :)

[MrsMcD]

I was with a UPC pastor all weekend and he never mentioned this so I doubt it is true. Some may leave just like every other state but I doubt it will be many.

[TRIPLE E]

I wonder if people are hearing the whole story -I know a lot of saints from around here that are hearing that the UPC voted in television(as in tv in the homes) and it is stirring up some feathers.

[AtlantaBishop]

That is hilarious! yea we noticed that your lips had been a little redder then before :pirate <---
that's too bad because I had heard that your wife was really hoping and pushing for you to get back in the UPC!

:pirate I laughed so hard when I saw this post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THAD - YOU ARE CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh yeah - she is REALLY pushing for me to get back in all that!!!!!!!!!!! ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She begged me to not get in all of it to start with - but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO - I just HAD to go jump off into the deep water!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I did have a call a couple weeks ago - and I do love the brother - but he asked me - If you had it to do all over again - what would you do different? I said - I really wish I had left it SOONER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God bless you guys that live in that house. I love you, I just can't live there!

[Thad]

I was with a UPC pastor all weekend and he never mentioned this so I doubt it is true. Some may leave just like every other state but I doubt it will be many.


someone else PMed me and said it was -

getting conflicting reports

I didn't realize that GA, was so conservative overall - so would there be any surprise ?

[AtlantaBishop]

someone else PMed me and said it was -

getting conflicting reports

I didn't realize that GA, was so conservative overall - so would there be any surprise ?

A few goof balls probably leaving.

[MrsMcD]

someone else PMed me and said it was -

getting conflicting reports

I didn't realize that GA, was so conservative overall - so would there be any surprise ?

I didn't think GA was as conservative as other places. The churches I have been involved with haven't been. Copeland's church is very conservative but I don't know of any church as conservative as his. I have asked my source to confirm. I'll let you know.

[TRIPLE E]

Maybe a lot of moderates will pull out too not knowing what direction the UPC leaders are planning on taking them.

[Thad]

Maybe a lot of moderates will pull out too not knowing what direction the UPC leaders are planning on taking them.


what direction is that ?

what are you referring to?

what's your opinion on it ?

[TRIPLE E]

what direction is that ?

what are you referring to?

what's your opinion on it ?

Put it this way they may be wondering just how much "doctrinal differences" will they have to tolerate in the post January UPCI.

You dont want to know my opinion on it!

[Thad]

Put it this way they may be wondering just how much "doctrinal differences" will they have to tolerate in the post January UPCI.

You dont want to know my opinion on it!

doctrinal differences as in ????

So, are you leaving too ?

[HeavenlyOne]

isn't there one in Illinois that makes all his men wear Bow ties????

I believe he taught that regular neck ties were wrong?

I never heard of that.

[Thad]

I never heard of that.



Oh yes indeed. I clearly remember it. he use to be a popular preacher all over the country.

I promise you this is true HO. I wished i could remember his name- someone will come along and remember

[Sandra]

While the UPC may be losing ministers, I heard from an official that they are having record breaking applications to join.
I say PRAISE GOD for the exodus.
The UPC's best days are ahead.

[Mr. Steinway]

Oh yes indeed. I clearly remember it. he use to be a popular preacher all over the country.

I promise you this is true HO. I wished i could remember his name- someone will come along and remember

When I was a teenager in the Illinois district (I won camper of the year one year!) Bro. Wayne Mitchell from Moline always wore a bowtie, and some men from his church copied him! :)

You probably missed this post! :)

[Margies3]

NO - Colored Lip Dew. I did ask if they could PLEASE have cherry or grape chap-stick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now don't that sound like a district of fine, upright, sensible, progressive, soul winning men that intend to win the world for JESUS CHRIST???????????

And people wonder why the UPC is losing good men???????????

I went shopping Saturday with a local UPC pastor's wife here in NW Ohio. She needed some lip balm. I picked up a flavored kind and handed it to her and she about lost it! She says to me, "I never wear something with flavoring or color!!!" I about lost it at that point. I seriously had to walk away to another aisle so I could LOL!!!

I grew up in the UPC, but come on! This is EXTREME!

[Thad]

You probably missed this post! :)



THAT"S HIM!!! sorry PM . heavenlyone, it was wayne mitchell.

He only believed in wearing bow ties- no neckties allowed

[HeavenlyOne]

Oh yes indeed. I clearly remember it. he use to be a popular preacher all over the country.

I promise you this is true HO. I wished i could remember his name- someone will come along and remember

Someone mentioned Wayne Mitchell wearing bowties and some members following his lead, but not that he required it. I know that he did not.

As for your claim that it was a man from IL, I'd like to know who that was, having never heard of that.....and believe me, I know a lot......LOL!

[HeavenlyOne]

You probably missed this post! :)

LOL! Thanks.

[HeavenlyOne]

THAT"S HIM!!! sorry PM . heavenlyone, it was wayne mitchell.

He only believed in wearing bow ties- no neckties allowed

LOL!

Sorry Thad. One of his cousins attended my church years ago and I can tell you, that wasn't his belief for all men.

I can tell you, however, that he nor his wife talked to their kids about the facts of life. When his daughter D got married, she had no clue....LOL!

[Thad]

Someone mentioned Wayne Mitchell wearing bowties and some members following his lead, but not that he required it. I know that he did not.

As for your claim that it was a man from IL, I'd like to know who that was, having never heard of that.....and believe me, I know a lot......LOL!

and you NEVER heard of this? (of him wearing bow ties?)

and yes, he did NOT believe in wearing neckties.... i forgot why(although I have heard his take on it )

[Steve Epley]

Elder T. Copeland's brother-in-law told me that Elder Copeland was indeed pulling out with his daughter works.

[HeavenlyOne]

and you NEVER heard of this? (of him wearing bow ties?)

and yes, he did NOT believe in wearing neckties.... i forgot why(although I have heard his take on it )

I have asked my source. Waiting on an answer.

[Joseph Miller]

I heard that oregon is going thru a big shake up as well as MS


I haven't heard anything about MS churches pulling out.

[Thad]

I haven't heard anything about MS churches pulling out.


Disafiliating

[AtlantaBishop]

OK - I Have Had Enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I Am Disaffiliating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CC1]

I went shopping Saturday with a local UPC pastor's wife here in NW Ohio. She needed some lip balm. I picked up a flavored kind and handed it to her and she about lost it! She says to me, "I never wear something with flavoring or color!!!" I about lost it at that point. I seriously had to walk away to another aisle so I could LOL!!!

I grew up in the UPC, but come on! This is EXTREME!

It is exactly this kind of stuff that is the reason the vast majority of people who ever leave the UPC would never go back.

Once you get away from this goofiness and look back at it you realize how sad it really is that these good folks are caught up in chasing imaginary bogeymen in the most innocent of things.

Some actualy worship their own supposed "piety".

[JTULLOCK]

It is exactly this kind of stuff that is the reason the vast majority of people who ever leave the UPC would never go back.

Once you get away from this goofiness and look back at it you realize how sad it really is that these good folks are caught up in chasing imaginary bogeymen in the most innocent of things.

Some actualy worship their own supposed "piety".

Wonderfully said my friend!

[Whole Hearted]

I didn't think GA was as conservative as other places. The churches I have been involved with haven't been. Copeland's church is very conservative but I don't know of any church as conservative as his. I have asked my source to confirm. I'll let you know.

So disrespectful. Would it kill you to say Brother Copeland. Brother Tim Copeland is one of the finest men I have ever know. We came out of the same church and same youth group. He being 4 years older than I am. He has always been a great Christian and one of the best preacher in all of Pentecost.

There is NO ONE with more of a burden for the lost than Brother Coepland.

[Hesetmefree238]

I don't believe that the TN district will lose any churches over this. If there
were any churches to leave, I think it would only be a couple of small
churches in rural areas.

[Whole Hearted]

Elder T. Copeland's brother-in-law told me that Elder Copeland was indeed pulling out with his daughter works.

I heard that too.

[CC1]

So disrespectful. Would it kill you to say Brother Copeland. Brother Tim Copeland is one of the finest men I have ever know. We came out of the same church and same youth group. He being 4 years older than I am. He has always been a great Christian and one of the best preacher in all of Pentecost.

There is NO ONE with more of a burden for the lost than Brother Coepland.

What was disrespectful about her post that you quoted? She simply stated the man had the most conservative UPC church in GA. I thought that would be something you would be jumping up and down in glee about.

[tv1a]

The Bakers aren't going anywhere. My sister goes to that church. The Pontiac church is the closest thing to POA that is above the Mason Dixon line.

I too doubt that Bro. Baker in MI would leave at all. I know him fairly well and he has no problems with Tv, or at least he used to not have trouble with it. I know out of his church there are several pastors that are on staff there that are ALJC memebers. His church and my home church in TN (ALJC) would always fellowship. He would preach for us alot and my Bishop would preach for him often as well. I agree with you that if people in MI leave it ain't Bro Baker!

[JTULLOCK]

The Bakers aren't going anywhere. My sister goes to that church. The Pontiac church is the closest thing to POA that is above the Mason Dixon line.

I agree! Bro Baker is very progressive. He is a wise man and wants to win the lost no matter what. I have know him for 20+ yrs and if I lived in MI I would go to church there. He has a neat thing there with the mixture of ALJC and UPC members joined together.

[Whole Hearted]

What was disrespectful about her post that you quoted? She simply stated the man had the most conservative UPC church in GA. I thought that would be something you would be jumping up and down in glee about.

She just said Copeland, not Brother Copeland. Just calling a preacher by their last name is disrespectful.

[True Believer]

I cannot get anyone to confirm this but where would they go if they did leave? I know of at least 50 that have left and gone independent because of the backwoods mentality of this GA District. They have lost ALL the progressive churches with buildings in my area! There are two UPC's in Marietta that rent storefronts with a handfull of people in each one - just a few miles apart.
Who will lead these rebellious renegades??????????? Maybe someone with an 8th Grade Education?????????

Here are just a few of the 21 rules and regulations, standards of HOLINESS that the GEORGIA DISTRICT UPCI gave us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO Mickey Mouse Watches or T-Shirts.

NO "A" on ball cap. The prohibition of ball caps was lifted but with the stipulation that there be NO "A" on any ball cap. You can have a "B" or "C" but NOT AN "A"!

NO splits of any kind in any dresses or skirts. WE ALL KNOW WHAT THOSE UNGODLY SPLITS MEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There will be a "Split skirt committee" that will judge if anyone has dared to wear a split skirt and if so - they will have material to sow in back of the split!!!!!!!!! FOLKS - I AM NOT JOKING HERE!

The blond haired blue eye white boys with blond peach fuzz can stay but the black haired - black peach fuzz boys have to shave or leave. They will set up a mustache committee to make sure if the peach fuzz is "dark enough" they will have to shave or leave!

NO - Colored Lip Dew. I did ask if they could PLEASE have cherry or grape chap-stick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now don't that sound like a district of fine, upright, sensible, progressive, soul winning men that intend to win the world for JESUS CHRIST???????????

And people wonder why the UPC is losing good men???????????

The only one I have ever heard of (besides the shaving one) is the no split one. When a certain man was DS the kids at camp had to pin down their splits, even if it was just an inch high.

[True Believer]

no ball caps with an "A" ???

what about AtlantaWest ? are they considered moderate ?

HEY! what about you?? you could perhaps get back in the UPC now - no??:pirate


It all depends on what you consider moderate.:hypercoffee

[True Believer]

I don't get the "A" ball cap thing? This is obviously the extreme right view. Surely the Tulsa organizers aren't that UC are they?

Don't want you to advertise organized sports.

[True Believer]

It is exactly this kind of stuff that is the reason the vast majority of people who ever leave the UPC would never go back.

Once you get away from this goofiness and look back at it you realize how sad it really is that these good folks are caught up in chasing imaginary bogeymen in the most innocent of things.

Some actualy worship their own supposed "piety".


Hey, even without leaving we see the goofiness of it and how sad it really is, we don't have to leave for that.

[HangingOut]

This sort of thing makes my head hurt. Last statement is a nail slammer.
Good way to put it.


It is exactly this kind of stuff that is the reason the vast majority of people who ever leave the UPC would never go back.

Once you get away from this goofiness and look back at it you realize how sad it really is that these good folks are caught up in chasing imaginary bogeymen in the most innocent of things.

Some actualy worship their own supposed "piety".

[CC1]

She just said Copeland, not Brother Copeland. Just calling a preacher by their last name is disrespectful.

Oh good grief! Get over it and get a life. Many times people use shortcuts and cut corners in posting online. I seriously doubt she meant any disrespect by leaving out a title before his last name.

Are you going to insist we put "brother" or "pastor" in front of "Wholehearted" when we address you?:hypercoffee

[CC1]

Hey, even without leaving we see the goofiness of it and how sad it really is, we don't have to leave for that.


LOL!! Point taken. I stand corrected.

[Whole Hearted]

Oh good grief! Get over it and get a life. Many times people use shortcuts and cut corners in posting online. I seriously doubt she meant any disrespect by leaving out a title before his last name.

Are you going to insist we put "brother" or "pastor" in front of "Wholehearted" when we address you?:hypercoffee

I have a life thank you.

[CC1]

I have a life thank you.


You are welcome. I do appreciate you explaining what you found offensive in her post because I kept reading it over again thinking I was missing something.

I should have considered the source of the complaint and realized it would be something like you explained.

I want to prepare you in advance that you may see a post at some time from me that will have a persons last name without a reference to their vocation or calling. It will mean no disrespect so please do not take it that way.

[AtlantaBishop]

Originally Posted by CC1
It is exactly this kind of stuff that is the reason the vast majority of people who ever leave the UPC would never go back.

Once you get away from this goofiness and look back at it you realize how sad it really is that these good folks are caught up in chasing imaginary bogeymen in the most innocent of things.

Some actually worship their own supposed "piety".

Goofiness is an understatement but it does explain how most of those that leave see things. Just plumb goofy!
When Pentecostal preachers outside the UPC ranks are told that the UPC has men leaving because the majority of voters - voted to be able to advertise on Television - they look at you like you have lost your mind and ask - run that by me again. When told again - they say - You know good and well that is not the truth - Surely no one is that ignorant. It makes good men look totally ignorant. This is one reason I had to distance myself from it all as has many thousands that have left it. It becomes a liability instead of an asset.

[anapko]

Goofiness is an understatement but it does explain how most of those that leave see things. Just plumb goofy!
When Pentecostal preachers outside the UPC ranks are told that the UPC has men leaving because the majority of voters - voted to be able to advertise on Television - they look at you like you have lost your mind and ask - run that by me again. When told again - they say - You know good and well that is not the truth - Surely no one is that ignorant. It makes good men look totally ignorant. This is one reason I had to distance myself from it all as has many thousands that have left it. It becomes a liability instead of an asset.


Excellant comments AB...I for one can't see why the dissenters are so upset! The resolution for one did not force churches to buy and watch a tv. It only allowed the use of tv for advertisement. Your comments hit it right on the nerve. Simply because as long as the dissenters decry tv, the sillier they will look to the world!

[LaGirl]

So...you can be a Cubs or Red Sox fan, but not a Braves fan?????????

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!

[AtlantaBishop]

Excellant comments AB...I for one can't see why the dissenters are so upset! The resolution for one did not force churches to buy and watch a tv. It only allowed the use of tv for advertisement. Your comments hit it right on the nerve. Simply because as long as the dissenters decry tv, the sillier they will look to the world!

I have a friend that his dad was a pastor all his life. When they would leave the church every Sunday - his dad would look at his mom and say "You know Virginia, People are FUNNY!"
He said - I never understood that until I started pastoring. He said I will look at my wife on the way home from Church and say - "You know Virginia (and her name is Ruth) People are Funny!" She usually replies, "Funny My FOOT, They are stark raving CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" :pirate

[Thad]

You are welcome. I do appreciate you explaining what you found offensive in her post because I kept reading it over again thinking I was missing something.

I should have considered the source of the complaint and realized it would be something like you explained.

I want to prepare you in advance that you may see a post at some time from me that will have a persons last name without a reference to their vocation or calling. It will mean no disrespect so please do not take it that way.


that was not very kind CC

you are talking to a Pastor you know

[Scott Hutchinson]

I was an this place sunday and they are doing great.
http://firstpent.org
They are growing too.

[AtlantaBishop]

I was an this place sunday and they are doing great.
http://firstpent.org
They are growing too.

This is a good church and I have great respect for Pastor Kinsey.

[HeavenlyOne]

I have asked my source. Waiting on an answer.

Ok, I got an answer from someone who attended there. This is what I asked:

Did he believe in wearing bowties only, and not neckties? Did he preach this as a standard for the men in his church?

This is what they said:


No..it was just his trademark. He said he did to be different, to make people remember him or something like that.

Most men in his church just wore a regular tie. There were a few of us that would occasionally wear one.

Hope this helps you understand better, Thad.

[HeavenlyOne]

She just said Copeland, not Brother Copeland. Just calling a preacher by their last name is disrespectful.

Oh please. People here do it all the time. It's not a sign of disrespect to call people by their last names without a title attached to it, whether it's Mr, Elder, Pastor, or Senator.

Want some quotes from your buddies on this forum who do it all the time?

[AtlantaBishop]

Well - You better call me BISHOP or I am gonna disassociate or disaffiliate or something like that - I AM GONNA TAKE MY TOYS and LEAVE! ;-)

[Joseph Miller]

Well - You better call me BISHOP or I am gonna disassociate or disaffiliate or something like that - I AM GONNA TAKE MY TOYS and LEAVE! ;-)


Yes thou great BISHOP :pirate

:runhills:stirpot

[AtlantaBishop]

Yes thou great BISHOP :pirate

:runhills:stirpot

Yes and now worship me as I sing this song. Don't listen to the words of it - just listen to the way I sang it. The ole debil has been after me all day - a temptin' and a tryin' me. I been a running this race a long long time - but I'm not tarred yet! E CON DO! Ya'll pray fer me out there in RADIO LAND cause My voice is jest bout gone. Ya know we been in a Powful Meetin' up the holler there and I been a inner ceedin' fer many down at the morners bench. I jest about got the holeness croop and the debil don't want me sangin' this Holy Ghost song - so pray fer me that I will hold on till the bitter end! E lI MO!

Imma gonna sang tonight - If there ever was a day and an hour in which we live - it is today! OH GLORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHEW!!!!!!!!!!!! I bout to SHOUT my shoe hill offf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Thad]

Yes and now worship me as I sing this song. Don't listen to the words of it - just listen to the way I sang it. The ole debil has been after me all day - a temptin' and a tryin' me. I been a running this race a long long time - but I'm not tarred yet! E CON DO! Ya'll pray fer me out there in RADIO LAND cause My voice is jest bout gone. Ya know we been in a Powful Meetin' up the holler there and I been a inner ceedin' fer many down at the morners bench. I jest about got the holeness croop and the debil don't want me sangin' this Holy Ghost song - so pray fer me that I will hold on till the bitter end! E lI MO!

Imma gonna sang tonight - If there ever was a day and an hour in which we live - it is today! OH GLORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHEW!!!!!!!!!!!! I bout to SHOUT my shoe hill offf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Man you can tell you were raised in the country around some Bumpkins!:pirate your wife looks like she has SERIOUS southern drrrrrrraaaawwwl lol

[Joseph Miller]

Yes and now worship me as I sing this song. Don't listen to the words of it - just listen to the way I sang it. The ole debil has been after me all day - a temptin' and a tryin' me. I been a running this race a long long time - but I'm not tarred yet! E CON DO! Ya'll pray fer me out there in RADIO LAND cause My voice is jest bout gone. Ya know we been in a Powful Meetin' up the holler there and I been a inner ceedin' fer many down at the morners bench. I jest about got the holeness croop and the debil don't want me sangin' this Holy Ghost song - so pray fer me that I will hold on till the bitter end! E lI MO!

Imma gonna sang tonight - If there ever was a day and an hour in which we live - it is today! OH GLORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHEW!!!!!!!!!!!! I bout to SHOUT my shoe hill offf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:pirate:pirate:pirate:shockamoo:shockamoo

[Thad]

* * REDNECK DELUX * *















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[AtlantaBishop]

Man you can tell you were raised in the country around some Bumpkins!:pirate your wife looks like she has SERIOUS southern drrrrrrraaaawwwl lol

HEY WATCH IT! I married a Yankee!!!!!!!! I walked out on the platform of the Pillar Of Truth Church in Dayton, OH in January of 1978 and this beautiful blond haired gal sat at the Hammond Organ. There were over 2000 people in that building - but this Evangelist could only see one person. I asked the pastor - Who is that playing that Hammond Organ? and he said - Sister Marie. I went out with her that night and married her two years later. She has been my constant companion for 27 years and I love her more today than ever before.
She didn't even know what GRITS were when we got married!!!!!!!!!!!! She was born in Dayton, OH and lived most of her life there - but did live a few years in Los Angeles, CA. She does NOT have a Southern Drawl - I make up for both of us on that one!
I am a Southern Born and Bred Boy!!!!!!!!! GLORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The SOUTH shall rise again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AtlantaBishop]

Going To Bed - Good Night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Joseph Miller]

HEY WATCH IT! I married a Yankee!!!!!!!! I walked out on the platform of the Pillar Of Truth Church in Dayton, OH in January of 1978 and this beautiful blond haired gal sat at the Hammond Organ. There were over 2000 people in that building - but this Evangelist could only see one person. I asked the pastor - Who is that playing that Hammond Organ? and he said - Sister Marie. I went out with her that night and married her two years later. She has been my constant companion for 27 years and I love her more today than ever before.
She didn't even know what GRITS were when we got married!!!!!!!!!!!! She was born in Dayton, OH and lived most of her life there - but did live a few years in Los Angeles, CA. She does NOT have a Southern Drawl - I make up for both of us on that one!
I am a Southern Born and Bred Boy!!!!!!!!! GLORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The SOUTH shall rise again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I understand her not knowing what grits were when yall met, but have you converted her yet?

[NLYP]

THAT"S HIM!!! sorry PM . heavenlyone, it was wayne mitchell.

He only believed in wearing bow ties- no neckties allowed

Sorry Thadmiester...Wayne Mitchell was my third cousin....it was his trademark..NOT a standard!
He could give a flip about ties...he was too bust building the biggest sunday school in Illinois!

[Thad]

HEY WATCH IT! I married a Yankee!!!!!!!! I walked out on the platform of the Pillar Of Truth Church in Dayton, OH in January of 1978 and this beautiful blond haired gal sat at the Hammond Organ. There were over 2000 people in that building - but this Evangelist could only see one person. I asked the pastor - Who is that playing that Hammond Organ? and he said - Sister Marie. I went out with her that night and married her two years later. She has been my constant companion for 27 years and I love her more today than ever before.
She didn't even know what GRITS were when we got married!!!!!!!!!!!! She was born in Dayton, OH and lived most of her life there - but did live a few years in Los Angeles, CA. She does NOT have a Southern Drawl - I make up for both of us on that one!
I am a Southern Born and Bred Boy!!!!!!!!! GLORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The SOUTH shall rise again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well she Looks country now!!!!! you have groomed her well AB :pirate

have her post sometime!!!

[NLYP]

She just said Copeland, not Brother Copeland. Just calling a preacher by their last name is disrespectful.

Sorry Bro....no different than you saying...."Mangun" or "Tenney",
which you have done MANY times.

[Thad]

Sorry Thadmiester...Wayne Mitchell was my third cousin....it was his trademark..NOT a standard!
He could give a flip about ties...he was too bust building the biggest sunday school in Illinois!



I understand you are family and all ........Nevermind :nah

[MrsMcD]

So disrespectful. Would it kill you to say Brother Copeland. Brother Tim Copeland is one of the finest men I have ever know. We came out of the same church and same youth group. He being 4 years older than I am. He has always been a great Christian and one of the best preacher in all of Pentecost.

There is NO ONE with more of a burden for the lost than Brother Coepland.

I'm sorry that you were offended by my post. No disrespect was meant.

[Kutless]

Goofiness is an understatement but it does explain how most of those that leave see things. Just plumb goofy!
When Pentecostal preachers outside the UPC ranks are told that the UPC has men leaving because the majority of voters - voted to be able to advertise on Television - they look at you like you have lost your mind and ask - run that by me again. When told again - they say - You know good and well that is not the truth - Surely no one is that ignorant. It makes good men look totally ignorant. This is one reason I had to distance myself from it all as has many thousands that have left it. It becomes a liability instead of an asset.I wouold bet that 99.9% that are leaving would say they aren't leaving solely based on the TV vote but a series of things over the last few years. The TV vote would just serve as the camels back breaker.

[AtlantaBishop]

I would bet that 99.9% that are leaving would say they aren't leaving solely based on the TV vote but a series of things over the last few years. The TV vote would just serve as the camels back breaker.

99.9% of the ones leaving - are CONTROL FREAKS to start with. Good men that I have preached for many of them - but they are control freaks.
They did not get their way - so they go an whine and say we believe in HOLINESS and you don't. They lost so they leave. Most of them are out of position now from Term limits so - they have no voice. They will start up something else then fight like dogs to become the big cheese in that and it will split and then that will split and then they are left without fellowship.
Most of them are so mean and ugly to people - Nobody wants to listen to all that!!!!!!!!!!
Let them go have their little meeting and scream about holiness to the rafters then hate people all in the name of HOLINESS!
They are really FOLLOWING PEACE WITH ALL MEN aren't they? They will do like they have always done - live a double standard. They will preach one thing to their people and live another. They pick and choose which part of the BIBLE they believe.

[freeatlast]

Sorry Thadmiester...Wayne Mitchell was my third cousin....it was his trademark..NOT a standard!
He could give a flip about ties...he was too bust building the biggest sunday school in Illinois!

He was my pastor for many years. He wore bow ties to be different, to be remebered by them, that's all. There were a few of us that also wore them BUT they were not an issue. Regular ties were just fine.

He did have many other little quirky ideas of things you could or could'nt do.

It was definetly a "my way or the hi way" church but bow ties were never an issue.

[Theresa]

40 in GA, 100 in CA...


the forward is going to be bigger than the real yellow pages

[AtlantaBishop]

40 in GA, 100 in CA...


the forward is going to be bigger than the real yellow pages

I would doubt seriously that they would put their names in the FORWARD. That would be like giving Barney Fife a BADGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :pirate

[Steve Epley]

The Late R. C. Cavaness wore a bowtie and was known for them it was not a standard. Also Dr. Henry Mobley wears a bowtie. I have never known anyone that taught bowties are to be worn?

[freeatlast]

The Late R. C. Cavaness wore a bowtie and was known for them it was not a standard. Also Dr. Henry Mobley wears a bowtie. I have never known anyone that taught bowties are to be worn?

Me either..but Thad assures it is the truth, that bowties was a standard in my former church. 20 years there, on Elder board, and I never heard this.

[chaotic_resolve]

I doubt the Forward will put out the numbers of those leaving the organization. Not necessary.

[Theresa]

I would doubt seriously that they would put their names in the FORWARD. That would be like giving Barney Fife a BADGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :pirate

I doubt the Forward will put out the numbers of those leaving the organization. Not necessary.

I was thinking of this post...and I've heard this before, about the Forward...do they not print such information? or is this forum legend?

Isn't there a UPC magazine that publishes the names of ministers who no longer have a membership card/turned in their license in?

...oh, I forgot for a minute there who I was talking about. I suppose there will still be the one or two mentioned.

:D

[AtlantaBishop]

I was thinking of this post...and I've heard this before, about the Forward...do they not print such information? or is this forum legend?

They put in the names of those they WANT their ministers to know about them leaving. My name was listed there when I left - but I know MANY that were not printed in the FORWARD as they did not want it known. I doubt you will see Johnny and Kenny Godairs name - in the FORWARD as disaffiliated.

[Whole Hearted]

I wouold bet that 99.9% that are leaving would say they aren't leaving solely based on the TV vote but a series of things over the last few years. The TV vote would just serve as the camels back breaker.

This is true.

[Sarah]

I was thinking of this post...and I've heard this before, about the Forward...do they not print such information? or is this forum legend?

Theresa, they do print the statistics, but not in every Forward like they use to. Maybe every other one.........I'm not sure. But they are eventually all printed.

[AtlantaBishop]

Theresa, they do print the statistics, but not in every Forward like they use to. Maybe every other one.........I'm not sure. But they are eventually all printed.

All the names are NOT printed.

[Thad]

All the names are NOT printed.

They surely aren't. I remember back in the 90s when we had the other split, I read every Forward that came in the mail waiting to see some of our neighbor's names- never showed up - i wonder why ??

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

They surely aren't. I remember back in the 90s when we had the other split, I read every Forward that came in the mail waiting to see some of our neighbor's names- never showed up - i wonder why ??

I have never seen more than a page and a half or Ministerial changes.

I have seen names NOT in the Forward.

Thad, you and I discussed this once on the phone.

[Thad]

We did ??...I must have forgotton

your memory is better then mine :pirate

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

We did ??...I must have forgotton

your memory is better then mine :pirate

If a minister has a hiccup in his ministry, sometimes the name will not be printed for want of someday restoring that ministry.

What good would it do to print 100+ names as if for a badge of honor/dishonor.

I knew men disfellowshipped in every District 25 yrs ago. Never stopped the move of God they were a part of. AS Gamaliel said, if this IS of God, we cannot stop it. If it is not, we cannot do less than let it go.

[AtlantaBishop]

I do know some ministers who left and told or wrote WEC that if they put their names in the FORWARD they would sue them! LOL I thought it was funny - but they were VERY serious and their names never were printed in the FORWARD!

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

I do know some ministers who left and told or wrote WEC that if they put their names in the FORWARD they would sue them! LOL I thought it was funny - but they were VERY serious and their names never were printed in the FORWARD!

Please enlighten me to know what this post does for sake of either discussion or understanding.

I don't see either. :nah

[AtlantaBishop]

Please enlighten me to know what this post does for sake of either discussion or understanding.

I don't see either. :nah

And what exactly is your problem today? What is wrong with my post?

[dizzyde]

Sorry Bro....no different than you saying...."Mangun" or "Tenney",
which you have done MANY times.

:woohoo

:amen

[HeavenlyOne]

40 in GA, 100 in CA...


the forward is going to be bigger than the real yellow pages

Then maybe they should print the names of those staying.............

[HeavenlyOne]

And what exactly is your problem today? What is wrong with my post?

Thou shalt not question admin.





:killinme

[dizzyde]

It is exactly this kind of stuff that is the reason the vast majority of people who ever leave the UPC would never go back.

Once you get away from this goofiness and look back at it you realize how sad it really is that these good folks are caught up in chasing imaginary bogeymen in the most innocent of things.

Some actualy worship their own supposed "piety".

It really isn't just when you leave, I am still what you would consider "in" the UPC, and I have spent time with people enjoying wholesome fun and good fellowship, and then later found out how un-Godly I actually am. For things that blew my mind, things that are so innocent and not even worthy of discussion. ??????

[lovinglife]

Really 30...........like who????..... you mean 30 preachers or 30 churches...cause one church can have 15 of those .

[Neck]

Got word today that 30 churches in GA. are pulling out ???????


I heard that GA was a pretty conservative state- didn't know that it would come to this WOW!!


can anyone confirm????

What is the total attendance of the 30 churches? 200?

It is only significant when the big guns leave...

[irish1]

I would be interested to know how one paints an entire district with the broad brush of liberal, conservative, or moderate. I pastored in Michigan for five plus years, assisted for 2 years there, and I wouldn't begin to describe it with one word. There are very strict churches and very liberal churches and everything in between. Curious.

[irish1]

Question: if the conspiracy at hq keeps only certain names out of the Forward from the "No Longer Affiliated" section, does that assume that the rest of the UPCI are so foolish and out of touch that they don't know when others drop out? For instance, is it to be believed that when Kenneth Phillips dropped out of the UPCI that his name was kept out of the Forward for fear that all of the rest of us would see it and drop out too? And that we wouldn't find out that he left? Just curious.

Folks on here are bashing the UPCI, they got out of the UPCI, and are also bashing people who get out of the UPCI. Its scary that I would think I left an organization for personal principle but nobody else does. Just an observation.

[aegsm76]

What is the total attendance of the 30 churches? 200?

It is only significant when the big guns leave...


One church in Georgia that has been mentioned as leaving has about 400. If you throw in the daughter works you are looking at about 600.
This church has had consistent growth ever since it was founded, about 14 years ago...

[irish1]

Some of the smallest churches in the UPCI are actually some of the biggest contributors, not just dollar per saint, but in total money given to missions, etc. One church lost is too many. How arrogant is it to care about the total attendance on a Sunday at this point in time. The next Bro. Jerry Jones may be sitting on one of those "small" church's pews.

[AtlantaBishop]

What is the total attendance of the 30 churches? 200?

It is only significant when the big guns leave...


One church in Georgia that has been mentioned as leaving has about 400. If you throw in the daughter works you are looking at about 600.
This church has had consistent growth ever since it was founded, about 14 years ago...

Well- you opened it up and where is this church that runs 400 with 200 people in "daughter works"? The only two churches that I know of that have been mentioned are Atlanta West and Buford. Am I missing something here?

[CC1]

I didn't realize that the forward stil listed "no longer affiliated". I thought at some point they stopped doing that.

[MrsMcD]

What is the total attendance of the 30 churches? 200?

It is only significant when the big guns leave...


One church in Georgia that has been mentioned as leaving has about 400. If you throw in the daughter works you are looking at about 600.
This church has had consistent growth ever since it was founded, about 14 years ago...

Which church are you talking about that has a daughter work of 200 that would be leaving?

[irish1]

I would be interested to know how one paints an entire district with the broad brush of liberal, conservative, or moderate. I pastored in Michigan for five plus years, assisted for 2 years there, and I wouldn't begin to describe it with one word. There are very strict churches and very liberal churches and everything in between. Curious.

Bump.

[irish1]

Question: if the conspiracy at hq keeps only certain names out of the Forward from the "No Longer Affiliated" section, does that assume that the rest of the UPCI are so foolish and out of touch that they don't know when others drop out? For instance, is it to be believed that when Kenneth Phillips dropped out of the UPCI that his name was kept out of the Forward for fear that all of the rest of us would see it and drop out too? And that we wouldn't find out that he left? Just curious.

Folks on here are bashing the UPCI, they got out of the UPCI, and are also bashing people who get out of the UPCI. Its scary that I would think I left an organization for personal principle but nobody else does. Just an observation.

Bump.

[Kutless]

Bump.well then maybe we should all turn to you for the answers then.

OHIO?

FLORIDA?

ILLINOIS?

[aegsm76]

AB, take a trip to the Mall of Georgia and continue west on GA 20. You will wind up in the church that is running about 400 with 200 in daughter works.
There are 4 daughter works, which total about 200 people.

[irish1]

That's my point. It would the height of presumptuousness for me to describe an entire district as fill-in-the-blank-here when there are 100's of churches in each one. I've preached in all three of those districts and have close friends, friends, relatives, and acquaintances in each one but I can't come on some forum and proclaim an entire district to be of a particular persuasion. I think it is silly to think that I could. If you are looking for that answer then you are asking the wrong question.

[AtlantaBishop]

AB, take a trip to the Mall of Georgia and continue west on GA 20. You will wind up in the church that is running about 400 with 200 in daughter works.
There are 4 daughter works, which total about 200 people.

I know exactly where it is and I have seen the daughter works. I think you might need to get your number count revised. I think there is a LOT of wishful thinking there. I do know the pastor and I know he is a good - but VERY Conservative man. I know people that attend there regularly and from all reports - there is not nearly 400 there nor close to 200 in "4" daughter works. I could say the same - but then - that would be STRETCHING IT A BIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I live not far from there you know - just off Highway 20.

[aegsm76]

AB, I went there for 9 years and was just there 2 weeks ago. The numbers are real. There was not an empty seat in the balcony or on the floor.
It's hard to believe there were only 17 adult members when he took the church!

[AtlantaBishop]

AB, I went there for 9 years and was just there 2 weeks ago. The numbers are real. There was not an empty seat in the balcony or on the floor.
It's hard to believe there were only 17 adult members when he took the church!

Thanks for your recent report. That is GREAT! PRAISE THE LORD!

[aegsm76]

AB, I am supposed to be there in about 2 weeks. I'll number the people and let you know!

[rgcraig]

Thad, don't forget that there are many preachers in the following states also rumored to be leaving.

State of Confusion
State of East Dakota
State of Disarray
State of Kalamazoo
State of Declaration they don't agree with Resolutions
State of the Union
State of Denial


I wish I could quote one post on another forum here talking about Districts pulling out. I don't want to be banned from the other Forum.

:stirpotYou don't have to quote it - you can just say you read somewhere and paraphrase it.

[AtlantaBishop]

AB, I am supposed to be there in about 2 weeks. I'll number the people and let you know!

Thats OK - I have a family member that visits there from time to time. She knows how to count. I do appreciate the offer. Where exactly are those "4 daughter works"?

[pastorj]

There's a lot more to their leaving than just TV. That WAS just the latest thing. And to say that it isn't going to matter... oh, it most definitely will.

Any organization is defined by the kind of men that both 'run it' and 'populate it'. It can be moderate and balanced only as long as there are a relatively equal number of both parties (cons & libs) involved. When the cons leave... the org MUST become more liberal... that's a fact borne out by numbers and unable to be argued with. If you doubt that, just imagine what the vote would be were it held in March...

The numbers that will remain and the lines they fall across are in fact much more important than the "VERY conservative" man in ________ who has 400 in his church and 200 in his daughter works. The only people who care about those things are those who pastor close enough to feel the heat... LOL

Like it or not (and some will, some won't) the UPCI WILL NEVER BE THE SAME. And as long as you realize that it is not THE church, but rather just a PART of the church, you'll be fine too ;-)

[aegsm76]

Cumming, Jefferson, Hoschton/Braselton and Locust Grove

[Mr. Steinway]

.....Like it or not (and some will, some won't) the UPCI WILL NEVER BE THE SAME. And as long as you realize that it is not THE church, but rather just a PART of the church, you'll be fine too ;-)

Some of us think this is a good thing and the will of God! :)

[dizzyde]

Some of us think this is a good thing and the will of God! :)

Amen, and another thing, the idea that all the GOOD men are leaving, and those who are left will all be somehow lesser men of God?? Give me a break, I don't necessarily feel like those who are leaving are wrong or bad, but to think that they hold the cornerstone on salvation??? Come on.

[MrsMcD]

Amen, and another thing, the idea that all the GOOD men are leaving, and those who are left will all be somehow lesser men of God?? Give me a break, I don't necessarily feel like those who are leaving are wrong or bad, but to think that they hold the cornerstone on salvation??? Come on.

Amen, Amen, Amen!
:scoregood

Georgia District will be just fine. There will still be Conservatives staying in the organization.

[dizzyde]

Amen, Amen, Amen!
:scoregood

Georgia District will be just fine. There will still be Conservatives staying in the organization.

That is right! There will be good men from all viewpoints left when the dust settles. I for one am tired of hearing about the sinking ship and all that garbage. I don't think the UPC is the be-all and end-all of the church by a long shot, but I don't think it is going down either!

[CC1]

If this were his thread this is where rkentsmith would post something like;

"15 pages

147 posts

And the UPC still needs a healer."

(Everytime I look at his thread and his ominous posts every few pages I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Truly the "oh the drama" smiley should be used there)

[slave4him]

Amen, and another thing, the idea that all the GOOD men are leaving, and those who are left will all be somehow lesser men of God?? Give me a break, I don't necessarily feel like those who are leaving are wrong or bad, but to think that they hold the cornerstone on salvation??? Come on.
He didn't say they were lesser men. You implied that.

[Thad]

He didn't say they were lesser men. You implied that.



DIZZY ????

[dizzyde]

Any organization is defined by the kind of men that both 'run it' and 'populate it'. It can be moderate and balanced only as long as there are a relatively equal number of both parties (cons & libs) involved. When the cons leave... the org MUST become more liberal...


Like it or not (and some will, some won't) the UPCI WILL NEVER BE THE SAME.


He didn't say they were lesser men. You implied that.

I'm sorry, I guess I got confused by the implications of what he was saying......... AND, just to be clear, I never implied that those staying were lesser men, I don't happen to believe that by a long shot.

[retsambeW]

can't answer to that Thad.

Someone told that Il......Ohio......and Mich were the liberal districts so I thought it odd that a group was pulling from Mich.

There is one particular presbyter in MI that could never be described as anything but conservative.

[irish1]

I pointed this out earlier but folks like to just hurl these baseless and ridiculous statements on here that cover districts with 100's of churches in them with some broad brush from their own personal fantasy land.

Trust me, Michigan has many conservative churches in it.

[TRFrance]

Got word today that 30 churches in GA. are pulling out ???????

I heard that GA was a pretty conservative state- didn't know that it would come to this WOW!!

can anyone confirm????

wonder what Atlanta west will do -----anyone know ???
are they con or lib??

I'm sure copeland is probably pulling out - no ???

I attend Atlanta West.

To my knowledge, there has been no discussion whatsoever of pulling out of the UPC.

This thread is lacking in substance, unnecessarily speculative, and just plain dumb.

[dht0943]

There's a lot more to their leaving than just TV. That WAS just the latest thing. And to say that it isn't going to matter... oh, it most definitely will.

Any organization is defined by the kind of men that both 'run it' and 'populate it'. It can be moderate and balanced only as long as there are a relatively equal number of both parties (cons & libs) involved. When the cons leave... the org MUST become more liberal... that's a fact borne out by numbers and unable to be argued with. If you doubt that, just imagine what the vote would be were it held in March...

The numbers that will remain and the lines they fall across are in fact much more important than the "VERY conservative" man in ________ who has 400 in his church and 200 in his daughter works. The only people who care about those things are those who pastor close enough to feel the heat... LOL

Like it or not (and some will, some won't) the UPCI WILL NEVER BE THE SAME. And as long as you realize that it is not THE church, but rather just a PART of the church, you'll be fine too ;-)

While I agree with some of the things you said, I have to tell you that I don't agree that the organization will become more liberal. Only a very small percentage of the ULTRA conservatives are going to pull out. And many of these were not participating in the organization at all anyway. There are many many conservative pastors who are staying with the upci and do not feel that this res.4 is even an issue in the big picture. These UC's who are beginning this new "fellowship" are simply losing sight of our goal. All of the time and energy wasted on this should be focused towards reaching our world. And I will go ahead and say this, 4 of the "officials" in the wpf, did not even bother to go to general conference and cast their vote. If they had, and just campaigned against it in a very small way, the resolution would not have passed. I think it is obvious then that they WANTED this resolution to pass because NOW they have an "issue" to springboard their "new organization. They wanted their own organization and have for a long time. This was all orchestrated. They were simply waiting for the right "issue" to arise that they could get all of the UC's stirred up over. Power hungry? I think so.

[LadyChocolate]

While I agree with some of the things you said, I have to tell you that I don't agree that the organization will become more liberal. Only a very small percentage of the ULTRA conservatives are going to pull out. And many of these were not participating in the organization at all anyway. There are many many conservative pastors who are staying with the upci and do not feel that this res.4 is even an issue in the big picture. These UC's who are beginning this new "fellowship" are simply losing sight of our goal. All of the time and energy wasted on this should be focused towards reaching our world. And I will go ahead and say this, 4 of the "officials" in the wpf, did not even bother to go to general conference and cast their vote. If they had, and just campaigned against it in a very small way, the resolution would not have passed. I think it is obvious then that they WANTED this resolution to pass because NOW they have an "issue" to springboard their "new organization. They wanted their own organization and have for a long time. This was all orchestrated. They were simply waiting for the right "issue" to arise that they could get all of the UC's stirred up over. Power hungry? I think so.


Hmm! Not the first time the thought crossed my path.