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Weary Pilgrim
11-02-2007, 03:20 PM
Now that Bro Young has turned in his card, it will be interesting what else is on the horizon as it relates to close family and the local church that he pastors.
Is there a strategy going on ? One wonders what both his Father and father in law will do in the days to come and if his departure is part of an overall plan?
StillStanding
11-02-2007, 03:22 PM
Now that Bro Young has turned in his card, it will be interesting what else is on the horizon as it relates to close family and the local church that he pastors.
Is there a strategy going on ? One wonders what both his Father and father in law will do in the days to come and if his departure is part of an overall plan?
Who is Myles Young, and where does he pastor?
Who is Myles Young, and where does he pastor?
He is the son of Bro Curtis Young from Baton Rouge, La.
Myles Pastor's the Rock Church in Sacramento,Ca. with Bishop Nate Wilson.
Sweet Pea
11-02-2007, 03:37 PM
He is the son of Bro Curtis Young from Baton Rouge, La.
Myles Pastor's the Rock Church in Sacramento,Ca. with Bishop Nate Wilson.
He is also Nate Wilson's son-in-law....
Has it been definitely confirmed that he turned in his license? If so... all I can say is hm-m-m-m-m-m-m.... I didn't think he was as conservative as he let on to be. I was under the impression that it was more of a "family" representation than how HE really felt.... :oops But maybe I was misinformed... It has happened before. :bolt:bolt
Sandra
11-02-2007, 03:38 PM
Now that Bro Young has turned in his card, it will be interesting what else is on the horizon as it relates to close family and the local church that he pastors.
Is there a strategy going on ? One wonders what both his Father and father in law will do in the days to come and if his departure is part of an overall plan?
I guess I'm not surprised since he married into the Wilson family.
He seemed very liberal growing up here in Louisiana.
SoCaliUPC
11-02-2007, 04:02 PM
He is also Nate Wilson's son-in-law....
Has it been definitely confirmed that he turned in his license? If so... all I can say is hm-m-m-m-m-m-m.... I didn't think he was as conservative as he let on to be. I was under the impression that it was more of a "family" representation than how HE really felt.... :oops But maybe I was misinformed... It has happened before. :bolt:bolt
Boy...Sweet Pea....look at the trouble you are about to cause!! :pirate
I think you sum up what a lot of people think.
StillStanding
11-02-2007, 04:06 PM
Boy...Sweet Pea....look at the trouble you are about to cause!! :pirate
I think you sum up what a lot of people think.
So....his job depends on following his FIL??????????? :eek:
Raven
11-02-2007, 04:24 PM
Sweet Pea
I really don't think it is a standard or a conservative issue that is motivating Myles. Myles is a progressive thinker but I think he is searching for that "special something" he knew as a young person that has slipped away from him and his generation the last few years. I can almost guarantee he won't find it in Tulsa! But if he keeps searching in honesty something far better is coming his way and to all those who hunger after righteousness.
One thing I do know God's not worried for everything is going like clockwork.
Raven
BoredOutOfMyMind
11-02-2007, 04:40 PM
So....his job depends on following his FIL??????????? :eek:
Maybe the charter for JCM moving West was not in the cards?
:hmmm
Now that Bro Young has turned in his card, it will be interesting what else is on the horizon as it relates to close family and the local church that he pastors.
Is there a strategy going on ? One wonders what both his Father and father in law will do in the days to come and if his departure is part of an overall plan?
Wow!! I did not know this!! :drama :scorebad
Sweet Pea
I really don't think it is a standard or a conservative issue that is motivating Myles. Myles is a progressive thinker but I think he is searching for that "special something" he knew as a young person that has slipped away from him and his generation the last few years. I can almost guarantee he won't find it in Tulsa! But if he keeps searching in honesty something far better is coming his way and to all those who hunger after righteousness.
One thing I do know God's not worried for everything is going like clockwork.
Raven
Interesting....(the bolded portion).
I think there is a sense of something lost among many younger ministers.
TRIPLE E
11-02-2007, 06:23 PM
So....his job depends on following his FIL??????????? :eek:
When you marry into some families you just gotta walk their straightline.!
Now that Bro Young has turned in his card, it will be interesting what else is on the horizon as it relates to close family and the local church that he pastors.
Is there a strategy going on ? One wonders what both his Father and father in law will do in the days to come and if his departure is part of an overall plan?
Good for him. Many new horizons on the way...
From what I remember he was just a normal great guy with a FABULOUS singing voice. We'll see how it all comes out in the wash...
Is Pop-in-law turning in his card, too? No surprise.
Girls cain't wear no bows in they're hair or striped tights or red shoes, but they can wear them designer suits and Rolex watches! Whoo Hoooo!!!
Costly array! Wonder if they can git thru those pearlies wearing Gucci???
Monkeyman
11-02-2007, 09:07 PM
He penned a song that Clint Brown recorded and our church loves it.
"I came to clap my hands,
I came to stomp my feet,
I came to lift my voice,
I came to get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up..."
His wife is a great lady, a true class act.
Felicity
11-02-2007, 09:36 PM
Sweet Pea
I really don't think it is a standard or a conservative issue that is motivating Myles. Myles is a progressive thinker but I think he is searching for that "special something" he knew as a young person that has slipped away from him and his generation the last few years. I can almost guarantee he won't find it in Tulsa! But if he keeps searching in honesty something far better is coming his way and to all those who hunger after righteousness.
One thing I do know God's not worried for everything is going like clockwork.
Raven For sure! :thumbsup
revrandy
11-02-2007, 09:58 PM
I do know that while he is Pastor, Bishop still calls the shots... and you can quote me on that...
If I were a betting man I would bet that he just forgot to pay his dues....
Another point...Myles could preach and reach people in circles around anybody there local... He is a really good preacher...and relates with folks...
I knew guys who grew up with him and in his youth he was very liberal but he has reached a conservative point in his life serving under his FIL...and now his Dad attends there too...
I have a lot of respect for Myles as well as feeling somewhat sorry for him to...
Shadows sometimes are hard to overcome but they soon vanish away in time...
Just my opinion...
Sweet Pea
11-02-2007, 10:42 PM
Sweet Pea
I really don't think it is a standard or a conservative issue that is motivating Myles. Myles is a progressive thinker but I think he is searching for that "special something" he knew as a young person that has slipped away from him and his generation the last few years. I can almost guarantee he won't find it in Tulsa! But if he keeps searching in honesty something far better is coming his way and to all those who hunger after righteousness.
One thing I do know God's not worried for everything is going like clockwork.
Raven
Raven, I meant no disrespect to MY at all. I agree that he seems to be a progressive thinker - and that many young ministers like him are desiring something better than "the norm" and status quo. I was basing my "observation" simply on comments made to me by other young ministers who have been around him. I really didn't think he would be one of the first to "go out" - and I really had been led to believe that Res 4 was not that big a deal to him. As I stated earlier.... maybe I was misinformed. (But I have to agree - I'm not sure he'll find what he's looking for in Tulsa - but who knows.)
And I agree..... God's not worried..... He has all things in control. :thumbsup
Joseph Miller
11-02-2007, 10:54 PM
Sweet Pea
I really don't think it is a standard or a conservative issue that is motivating Myles. Myles is a progressive thinker but I think he is searching for that "special something" he knew as a young person that has slipped away from him and his generation the last few years. I can almost guarantee he won't find it in Tulsa! But if he keeps searching in honesty something far better is coming his way and to all those who hunger after righteousness.
One thing I do know God's not worried for everything is going like clockwork.
Raven
That is almost exactly what God spoke to our church in prayer meeting last week through tongues and interpretation. God is truly in control. I know that it is hard to see now, but I beleive that the Will of God will be done on both sides.
SoCaliUPC
11-02-2007, 11:36 PM
Wow!! I did not know this!! :drama :scorebad
Apparently, this is more than just a speculation...but on good authority that it has happened.
SoCaliUPC
11-02-2007, 11:38 PM
I do know that while he is Pastor, Bishop still calls the shots... and you can quote me on that...
If I were a betting man I would bet that he just forgot to pay his dues....
Another point...Myles could preach and reach people in circles around anybody there local... He is a really good preacher...and relates with folks...
I knew guys who grew up with him and in his youth he was very liberal but he has reached a conservative point in his life serving under his FIL...and now his Dad attends there too...
I have a lot of respect for Myles as well as feeling somewhat sorry for him to...
Shadows sometimes are hard to overcome but they soon vanish away in time...
Just my opinion...
You said a lot....and it is true.
pastorj
11-02-2007, 11:51 PM
Sweet Pea
I really don't think it is a standard or a conservative issue that is motivating Myles. Myles is a progressive thinker but I think he is searching for that "special something" he knew as a young person that has slipped away from him and his generation the last few years. I can almost guarantee he won't find it in Tulsa! But if he keeps searching in honesty something far better is coming his way and to all those who hunger after righteousness.
One thing I do know God's not worried for everything is going like clockwork.
Raven
I think this is the EXACT ISSUE. Resolution 4 was merely the final swing of the compass needle that demonstrated that what was missing was not likely to ever be recovered by the organization as a whole. That is why Tulsa is happening. Not because they are thinking they'll find it there, but because they KNOW they're not going to find it by staying... therefore, what's the point... let's look somewhere else.
Of course, those who place no value on that 'special something' are going to see no problem with the fact that it has slipped away. IMHO, what they're seeking for is a sovereign move of the Holy Ghost and the ability to 'move with the cloud'. And as the poster quoted above said, 'something far better [than staying with the org... my interpretation here] is coming his way and to all those who hunger for righteousness'.
SoCaliUPC
11-02-2007, 11:57 PM
I think this is the EXACT ISSUE. Resolution 4 was merely the final swing of the compass needle that demonstrated that what was missing was not likely to ever be recovered by the organization as a whole. That is why Tulsa is happening. Not because they are thinking they'll find it there, but because they KNOW they're not going to find it by staying... therefore, what's the point... let's look somewhere else.
Of course, those who place no value on that 'special something' are going to see no problem with the fact that it has slipped away. IMHO, what they're seeking for is a sovereign move of the Holy Ghost and the ability to 'move with the cloud'. And as the poster quoted above said, 'something far better [than staying with the org... my interpretation here] is coming his way and to all those who hunger for righteousness'.
Thank GOD there are those in the UPC that have found IT! God is God and if they have been in the UPC and have not found IT....my word.....
Joseph Miller
11-03-2007, 12:04 AM
Thank GOD there are those in the UPC that have found IT! God is God and if they have been in the UPC and have not found IT....my word.....
I say AMEN!! I am a full time evangelist based in a UPCI church and we are not leaving the UPCI. We are excited about the future of the UPCI and the positive impact that Res 4 will have on evangelizing our community. We have a soverign move of God every time we come together. We have the most awesome church I have ever been to.
The anointing at our church is unmatched anywhere I have ever been a member, visitied or ministered and I had the priviledge of ministering in some GREAT churches.
We have found what we need. We are not happy to stop where we are but we know that "jumping ship" is not the answer to more of God. More prayer, more fasting, more commitment is the answer and we are constantly reaching after those things. That is why we are going from "Glory to Glory".
SoCaliUPC
11-03-2007, 12:10 AM
I say AMEN!! I am a full time evangelist based in a UPCI church and we are not leaving the UPCI. We are excited about the future of the UPCI and the positive impact that Res 4 will have on evangelizing our community. We have a soverign move of God every time we come together. We have the most awesome church I have ever been to.
The anointing at our church is unmatched anywhere I have ever been a member, visitied or ministered and I had the priviledge of ministering in some GREAT churches.
We have found what we need. We are not happy to stop where we are but we know that "jumping ship" is not the answer to more of God. More prayer, more fasting, more commitment is the answer and we are constantly reaching after those things. That is why we are going from "Glory to Glory".
AMEN! God is in our church....don't know where He is in some others that have been stated here as trying to find "it." Thank God our church doesn't have to look for God...HE is there everytime we call...HE is there and shows Himself to be true....when I walk into the church I feel HIM! We know HIM and follow HIM! Feel sorry for those on here that are "searching for it."
From what I remember he was just a normal great guy with a FABULOUS singing voice. We'll see how it all comes out in the wash...
Is Pop-in-law turning in his card, too? No surprise.
Girls cain't wear no bows in they're hair or striped tights or red shoes, but they can wear them designer suits and Rolex watches! Whoo Hoooo!!!
Costly array! Wonder if they can git thru those pearlies wearing Gucci???
You obviously haven't been to The Rock in Sac..... they've never preached against the the above mentioned items..... M-Y's wife is one of the most eccentric dressers around!!! (pretty crazy too -- at times!!)
Trouvere
11-03-2007, 02:06 AM
Miles Young is a very upbeat music person.He was helping churches who are smaller get their music programs going.I know I corresponded with him by email when we were church planting and he was extremely nice and very helpful to me.I of course was the music program so the church was already
in trouble.lol...I do play a mean guitar though.I like expensive clothes that don't cost expensive prices.Can anyone say......sale.Pentecostal women love a sale.
AMEN! God is in our church....don't know where He is in some others that have been stated here as trying to find "it." Thank God our church doesn't have to look for God...HE is there everytime we call...HE is there and shows Himself to be true....when I walk into the church I feel HIM! We know HIM and follow HIM! Feel sorry for those on here that are "searching for it."
They know God!!!.... and believe me there are VERY FEW places with more powerful-prayerful services than at The Rock!!! M-Y didn't turn in his CALL/ANOINTING, just his license with an organization! Raven wasn't posting of "that something" in reference to still trying to "locate" God -- but in the fellowship and "organizational" sense of creating a synergy that is conducive for a move of God and not political agendas and propaganda. In my opinion, many conferences and meetings have become little more than continual announcements, media presentations and departmental promotions. We MUST have DIVINE interruption!!!!!!
I do know that while he is Pastor, Bishop still calls the shots... and you can quote me on that...
If I were a betting man I would bet that he just forgot to pay his dues....
Another point...Myles could preach and reach people in circles around anybody there local... He is a really good preacher...and relates with folks...
I knew guys who grew up with him and in his youth he was very liberal but he has reached a conservative point in his life serving under his FIL...and now his Dad attends there too...
I have a lot of respect for Myles as well as feeling somewhat sorry for him to...
Shadows sometimes are hard to overcome but they soon vanish away in time...
Just my opinion...
Preach circles around NJW?
LOL!
Myles is a nice guy and a good preacher, but let's not be silly.
Preach circles around NJW?
LOL!
Myles is a nice guy and a good preacher, but let's not be silly.
This is true...Bishop is one of the finest preachers I know!! He could preach in the forest and the birds and trees would get saved...
Another point proving standards are subjective. IF MY was operating by principle instead of tradition, the wife wouldn't be wearing outrageous clothing. Seems MY forgot BIBLICAL PRINCIPLE about not drawing attention to oneself with extravegant clothing. That is just as much sin as a woman wearing pants.
You obviously haven't been to The Rock in Sac..... they've never preached against the the above mentioned items..... M-Y's wife is one of the most eccentric dressers around!!! (pretty crazy too -- at times!!)
Another point proving standards are subjective. IF MY was operating by principle instead of tradition, the wife wouldn't be wearing outrageous clothing. Seems MY forgot BIBLICAL PRINCIPLE about not drawing attention to oneself with extravegant clothing. That is just as much sin as a woman wearing pants.
Perhaps "sin" is not the correct word...
Some people are just a bit flashy or have more flare than another...I wouldn't call it "sin" unless that is where the heart is.
And in my opinion, it really is all about the heart.
As someone who has known Sis. Sheila Young since she was 6 years old, I can say that she has a heart after the things of the Lord and a true love of ministry...she's much like her mother in this.
Apparently, this is more than just a speculation...but on good authority that it has happened.
Interesting...has it been verifed that Bishop has as well?!
When he was my pastor in the 70s and was 26 years old, he was always talking about leaving the org...what is happening today is not anything new.
What troubles me NOW is the timing and reason...
Interesting...has it been verifed that Bishop has as well?!
When he was my pastor in the 70s and was 26 years old, he was always talking about leaving the org...what is happening today is not anything new.
What troubles me NOW is the timing and reason...
Take it or leave it, there has been a group that has been discussing leaving for 10 years & waiting for just the very thing you mentioned and that is "Timing" .
A lot of what we are seeing in this whole thing is rooted in family ties, family rifts, and the natures of Men with certain personalities traits.
let's face it brethren, some of us are indeed competitive by nature. It's the crabs in a bucket mentality. If you've been around leadership all of your life, it's easy to spot the human side of things even the downside of it.
Let's not live in a state of denial
Take it or leave it, there has been a group that has been discussing leaving for 10 years & waiting for just the very thing you mentioned and that is "Timing" .
A lot of what we are seeing in this whole thing is rooted in family ties, family rifts, and the natures of Men with certain personalities traits.
let's face it brethren, some of us are indeed competitive by nature. It's the crabs in a bucket mentality. If you've been around leadership all of your life, it's easy to spot the human side of things even the downside of it.
Let's not live in a state of denial
Interesting, Thad...
Perhaps Bishop has changed in the years since he was my pastor, but I've never thought of him as being competitive...driven perhaps. He has a burning desire for souls and living the separated life, coupled with that are strong convictions.
And as I posted, he has talked of leaving as long as I've known him, and that is a lot longer than 10 years.
I just cannot imagine television being the battle "worth dying for..." His words, not mine.
It just makes no sense...
Interesting, Thad...
Perhaps Bishop has changed in the years since he was my pastor, but I've never thought of him as being competitive...driven perhaps. He has a burning desire for souls and living the separated life, coupled with that are strong convictions.
And as I posted, he has talked of leaving as long as I've known him, and that is a lot longer than 10 years.
I just cannot imagine television being the battle "worth dying for..." His words, not mine.
It just makes no sense...
when i used the word "competitive", i am speaking in general terms of the nature of men period, especially in leadership cirlces. No specific names.
it's undeniable. I think that Men can spot that type of personality trait in other men just as women can pick on the vibes of other women and when when women share their INTUITION lol , Men are often going " uuuh?? how'd you pick up on that"? :nod
When you live Thousands of miles away, folks from afar may see things from a totally different perspective then those who lived in a certain region and history, families, etc.
Barb, I didn't know he had been talking of leaving longer than 10 years. I wouldn't deny it especially when one remembers the Harvestime era and post era. what i was saying that there have been collective talks for perhaps a decade
Myles will be the next Promotions Director of the new UC org. I'm sure he'll love it.
Miles will be the next Promotions Director of the new UC org. I'm sure he'll love it.
Why would he love that position? what makes you say that ?
Why would he love that position? what makes you say that ?
A hunch ... or maybe it's just gas from a late dinner last nite.
when i used the word "competitive", i am speaking in general terms of the nature of men period, especially in leadership cirlces. No specific names.
it's undeniable. I think that Men can spot that type of personality trait in other men just as women can pick on the vibes of other women and when when women share their INTUITION lol , Men are often going " uuuh?? how'd you pick up on that"? :nod
When you live Thousands of miles away, folks from afar may see things from a totally different perspective then those who lived in a certain region and history, families, etc.
Barb, I didn't know he had been talking of leaving longer than 10 years. I wouldn't deny it especially when one remembers the Harvestime era and post era. what i was saying that there have been collective talks for perhaps a decade
I know you weren't specific, but I was just relating your post to Bishop.
Is it official, Thad?! I can't imagine SIL has turned in his credentials and FIL hasn't...JMHO...
A hunch ... or maybe it's just gas from a late dinner last nite.
* * * * TMI ALERT !!! * * *
I know you weren't specific, but I was just relating your post to Bishop.
Is it official, Thad?! I can't imagine SIL has turned in his credentials and FIL hasn't...JMHO...
Yes Barb, it is official. some are letting their cards lapse in Jan '08
OTHERS have mailed or handed theirs in
I know you weren't specific, but I was just relating your post to Bishop.
Is it official, Thad?! I can't imagine SIL has turned in his credentials and FIL hasn't...JMHO...
I could see the younger ... more inexperienced impulsive one ... jumping the gun and turning in his license .... Keep in mind NW's family is still dealing w/ the passing of NW's father-in-law .... he may be patiently and wisely waiting.
I could see the younger ... more inexperienced impulsive one ... jumping the gun and turning in his license .... Keep in mind NW's family is still dealing w/ the passing of NW's father-in-law .... he may be patiently and wisely waiting.
how would that have anything to do with all of these decisions? I'm not seeing the connection Dan
Yes Barb, it is official. some are letting their cards lapse in Jan '08
OTHERS have mailed or handed theirs in
I could see the younger ... more inexperienced one ... jumping the gun and turning in his license .... Keep in mind NW's family is still dealing w/ the passing of NW's father-in-law .... he may be patiently and wisely waiting.
Well, I know he just returned from Africa where he had been in services and seminars with Bishop Roland Baker and others.
I posted on another thread yesterday and I am going to paste it here for your consideration...
I know nothing about the funds missionaries raise, however, it was mentioned in this thread a few days ago, if these churches/pastors leave the Mothership and do not keep their faith promise, how will this impact those laboring on the filed?!
The answer is too drastic to even consider, IMO...
I repeat my question from days ago, what is the all-fired rush?!
Makes no sense...
And what of Pentecom?! Refresh my memory someone, but didn't Pentecom align with FM?!
What happens when the founder leaves, if he hasn't already?!
The meetings of late have been in St. Louis...this week they were held in Texas.
Hmmmm...
Thad, any word in your area re Pentecom?!
how would that have anything to do with all of these decisions? I'm not seeing the connection Dan
A lot, Thad ... this and the possible division has to be a lot on Sister Wilson ... I just feel NW is experienced and thoughtful enough to be more deliberate in his actions ....
I'll say this...NJW is not one to bet on a losing horse.
He seems to have a nose for a winner.
I would look for whatever he rolls with to be successful.
I'll say this...NJW is not one to bet on a losing horse.
He seems to have a nose for a winner.
I would look for whatever he rolls with to be successful.
Yes sir...this is a fact.
However, I am thinking more along the lines of why now...is waiting a bit such a hard thing?!
Pastor G
11-03-2007, 08:06 AM
I'll say this...NJW is not one to bet on a losing horse.
He seems to have a nose for a winner.
I would look for whatever he rolls with to be successful.
If that were true he would have been the District Super in CA or even higher long ago.... He has wanted that and much higher for years...
Well, I know he just returned from Africa where he had been in services and seminars with Bishop Roland Baker and others.
I posted on another thread yesterday and I am going to paste it here for your consideration...
I know nothing about the funds missionaries raise, however, it was mentioned in this thread a few days ago, if these churches/pastors leave the Mothership and do not keep their faith promise, how will this impact those laboring on the filed?!
The answer is too drastic to even consider, IMO...
I repeat my question from days ago, what is the all-fired rush?!
Makes no sense...
And what of Pentecom?! Refresh my memory someone, but didn't Pentecom align with FM?!
What happens when the founder leaves, if he hasn't already?!
The meetings of late have been in St. Louis...this week they were held in Texas.
Hmmmm...
Thad, any word in your area re Pentecom?!
I just heard yesterday that "Pentecom" is being considered as one of the possible new names of the new fellowship that is being formed. The name already has established rights.
There are a number of conservatives that pulled their funds from st Loius quite a while ago and have been wiring the money thru a pastor in phoenix?? I believe that's where the money is funneled thru. anyhow, i think they are still sending money to UPC missionaries and feel they are actually getting MORE money then if it was first going thru HQs.
If that were true he would have been the District Super in CA or even higher long ago.... He has wanted that and much higher for years...
And you know this because...?!
If that were true he would have been the District Super in CA or even higher long ago.... He has wanted that and much higher for years...
Apples and oranges.
I said he is not one to bet on a losing horse.
That doesn't mean he should have been elected DS, or even that the men of the Western District always pick the winner. :)
I'm talking about his ability to make things go, and spot trends, not necessarily his ability as a politician.
He is way too controversial and outspoken to be a very good politician. In order to do that, you have to be willing to compromise your principles sometimes for the sake of the perceived "greater good."
He won't do that.
And you know this because...?!
Because ... everyone and their mother knows it. :icecream
If that were true he would have been the District Super in CA or even higher long ago.... He has wanted that and much higher for years...
O My :winkgrin
Apples and oranges.
I said he is not one to bet on a losing horse.
That doesn't mean he should have been elected DS, or even that the men of the Western District always pick the winner. :)
I'm talking about his ability to make things go, and spot trends, not necessarily his ability as a politician.
He is way too controversial and outspoken to be a very good politician. In order to do that, you have to be willing to compromise your principles sometimes for the sake of the perceived "greater good."
He won't do that.
Amen...
Because ... everyone and their mother knows it. :icecream
Well I'm no one's momma, but I didn't know it.
Wonder if Bishop would be surprised to know it...:nod
Apples and oranges.
I said he is not one to bet on a losing horse.
That doesn't mean he should have been elected DS, or even that the men of the Western District always pick the winner. :)
I'm talking about his ability to make things go, and spot trends, not necessarily his ability as a politician.
He is way too controversial and outspoken to be a very good politician. In order to do that, you have to be willing to compromise your principles sometimes for the sake of the perceived "greater good."
He won't do that.
Or perhaps his fervor has been perceived as avarice by some of the voting constituents?
Pastor G
11-03-2007, 08:13 AM
And you know this because...?!
Ask the District Super there now or any of the recent former ones... Ask his brother-in-law... Ask any of the brethren close to him...
Thad is absolutley right on the competitive nature in men... NW has not escaped it... The list is long and well known of his will to one up his in-laws and more...
Well I'm no one's momma, but I didn't know it.
Wonder if Bishop would be surprised to know it...:nod
Yeah, I'm sure he'd deny this. :nod
Because ... everyone and their mother knows it. :icecream
My Oooooo My :heeheehee
Ask the District Super there now or any of the recent former ones... Ask his brother-in-law... Ask any of the brethren close to him...
Thad is absolutley right on the competitive nature in men... NW has not escaped it... The list is long and well known of his will to one up his in-laws and more...
I think it is funny that you can make these kinds of judgments about a man's motives. :)
Odd how transparent we become sometimes when we start pointing fingers at others. :)
I think it is funny that you can make these kinds of judgments about a man's motives. :)
Odd how transparent we become sometimes when we start pointing fingers at others. :)
Exhibit A:
http://apostolicschooloftheology.org/ (http://apostolicschooloftheology.org/ast/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=41)
:icecream
Ask the District Super there now or any of the recent former ones... Ask his brother-in-law... Ask any of the brethren close to him...
Thad is absolutley right on the competitive nature in men... NW has not escaped it... The list is long and well known of his will to one up his in-laws and more...
I think that those who came from a certain generation or era looked upon leadership as faultless.For Laity to ever even question a motive was boderline blasphemy. So it's diffucult to believe that the human nature or mankind rears its ugliness through spiritual "Men of God".
There is a certain kind of Male nature that LOVES to conqurer and divide.
not all men are like this but Barb, I hate to tell you it's true and it's even in Pentecost
Pastor G
11-03-2007, 08:22 AM
I think it is funny that you can make these kinds of judgments about a man's motives. :)
Odd how transparent we become sometimes when we start pointing fingers at others. :)
I would never speak of his motives had they not been voiced... You yourself said he is pretty outspoken... That is correct my friend... None need to wonder too much where he stands, most of the time... He is a great man and high aspirations and has made them known to many..
Or perhaps his fervor has been perceived as avarice by some of the voting constituents?
Ask the District Super there now or any of the recent former ones... Ask his brother-in-law... Ask any of the brethren close to him...
Thad is absolutley right on the competitive nature in men... NW has not escaped it... The list is long and well known of his will to one up his in-laws and more...
Wow!! Not much respect for someone who built something out of nothing...
Can't speak for CA, but when he came to MI in the early 70s, the church had split wide open and had dwindled from 800 to 90 members.
He worked and prayed and strove with people...me being one of those people, teaching us to become.
When he resigned 6 years later, the church membership was back to near 800, with a brand new facility, and a reputation for caring and reaching for souls.
I don't agree on every point, this latest issue in particular, but I wouldn't dare point a finger at his motives.
Exhibit A:
http://apostolicschooloftheology.org/ (http://apostolicschooloftheology.org/ast/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=41)
:icecream
Daniel, what am I missing?!
Wow!! Not much respect for someone who built something out of nothing...
Can't speak for CA, but when he came to MI in the early 70s, the church had split wide open and had dwindled from 800 to 90 members.
He worked and prayed and strove with people...me being one of those people, teaching us to become.
When he resigned 6 years later, the church membership was back to near 800, with a brand new facility, and a reputation for caring and reaching for souls.
I don't agree on every point, this latest issue in particular, but I wouldn't dare point a finger at his motives.
Mine was a question as to what the voting constituents may be thinking ... *wink*
Daniel, what am I missing?!
Some may perceive this as possible one upsmanship?
I think that those who came from a certain generation or era looked upon leadership as faultless.For Laity to ever even question a motive was boderline blasphemy. So it's diffucult to believe that the human nature or mankind rears its ugliness through spiritual "Men of God".
There is a certain kind of Male nature that LOVES to conqurer and divide.
not all men are like this but Barb, I hate to tell you it's true and it's even in Pentecost
I'm sure it IS true, son...in some...:nod
Wow!! Not much respect for someone who built something out of nothing...
Can't speak for CA, but when he came to MI in the early 70s, the church had split wide open and had dwindled from 800 to 90 members.
He worked and prayed and strove with people...me being one of those people, teaching us to become.
When he resigned 6 years later, the church membership was back to near 800, with a brand new facility, and a reputation for caring and reaching for souls.
I don't agree on every point, this latest issue in particular, but I wouldn't dare point a finger at his motives.
Didn't quite a few of them move from MI. to CA. with him? if so,about how many ?
Some may perceive this as possible one upsmanship?
I must be dense, son...why?!
I must be dense, son...why?!
Oh l don't know ... maybe because his BIL has CLC in Stockton?
Not everyone is desirous to open bible colleges these days you know.
Pastor G
11-03-2007, 08:26 AM
Wow!! Not much respect for someone who built something out of nothing...
Can't speak for CA, but when he came to MI in the early 70s, the church had split wide open and had dwindled from 800 to 90 members.
He worked and prayed and strove with people...me being one of those people, teaching us to become.
When he resigned 6 years later, the church membership was back to near 800, with a brand new facility, and a reputation for caring and reaching for souls.
I don't agree on every point, this latest issue in particular, but I wouldn't dare point a finger at his motives.
He is great as what he does, one of the best... And as I said, I don't have to question motives when they are voiced... He does not hold back in those areas...
Some may perceive this as possible one upsmanship?
Dan you are a Mess
Oh l don't know ... maybe because his BIL has CLC in Stockton?
Not everyone is desirous to open bible colleges these days you know.
only 35 miles apart
Dan you are a Mess
A hot-looking mess.
only 35 miles apart
Oh is that it...??? MY!!! The plot thickens.
Pastor G
11-03-2007, 08:29 AM
only 35 miles apart
Wow! I wasn't aware they were that close...
Didn't quite a few of them move from MI. to CA. with him? if so,about how many ?
He was with Harvest Time for a year and then moved West...
One family moved there soon after...three or four moved later...not sure of number or time frame.
He did not pull anyone to move...in my opinion, it was things here that caused them to make the decision they did.
I was the first to leave after his resignation, only I didn't leave the city.
He is great as what he does, one of the best... And as I said, I don't have to question motives when they are voiced... He does not hold back in those areas...
:woohoo
He is great as what he does, one of the best... And as I said, I don't have to question motives when they are voiced... He does not hold back in those areas...
He has voiced that he wants to "one up" his inlaws?
Wow! I wasn't aware they were that close...
Well we have seen BK, Mickey D's and Wendy's all on the same block.
A hot-looking mess.
And you pointed this out to Thad because...????
Oh is that it...??? MY!!! The plot thickens.
Yes, that is it- lived in these parts all my life. north stockon (where CLC is located) and Elk grove (south Sac.) are only a 30 min. drive
And you pointed this out to Thad because...????
and you're curious because???
Oh l don't know ... maybe because his BIL has CLC in Stockton?
Not everyone is desirous to open bible colleges these days you know.
LOL!! No this is true...starting a school of any magnitude is not an easy one.
But again, knowing the man, CLC had NOTHING to do with it!!
He had Bible School classes of a sort when he pastored here...and The Rock Church has what amounts to their own camp meetings.
He just does things differently than most...:nod
LOL!! No this is true...starting a school of any magnitude is not an easy one.
But again, knowing the man, CLC had NOTHING to do with it!!
He had Bible School classes of a sort when he pastored here...and The Rock Church has what amounts to their own camp meetings.
He just does things differently the most...:nod
Is AST UPCI-recognized???
Aren't bible schools losing students already?
Pastor G
11-03-2007, 08:34 AM
He has voiced that he wants to "one up" his inlaws?
In the King James version it doesn't say it in exactly those terms but in The Message Bible or Today's English version it does...
Is AST UPCI-recognized???
Aren't bible schools losing students already?
I don't know, Daniel...
Pastor G
11-03-2007, 08:36 AM
LOL!! No this is true...starting a school of any magnitude is not an easy one.
But again, knowing the man, CLC had NOTHING to do with it!!
He had Bible School classes of a sort when he pastored here...and The Rock Church has what amounts to their own camp meetings.
He just does things differently than most...:nod
Now that was funny...
In the King James version it doesn't say it in exactly those terms but in The Message Bible or Today's English version it does...
I had no idea that such views were so widely shared- seriously. It's a surprise. i thought this was a local thing
Is AST UPCI-recognized???
Aren't bible schools losing students already?
Yes they are, that's a fact. Less of our UPC youth are going into the ministry.
Pastor G
11-03-2007, 08:38 AM
I had no idea that such views were so widely shared- seriously. It's a surprise. i thought this was a local thing
ahhhh no!! It's national..
Now that was funny...
Surely ... CLC is not Apostolic enough, Pastor G? No?
Now that was funny...
Why dost thou laugh?!
And may I respectfully ask where you are coming from here?!
Have you and Bishop had a run-in or is there another reason for your assumptions?!
Yes they are, that's a fact. Less of our UPC youth are going into the ministry.
If this is the case ... it doesn't seem prudent to open a franchise school literally in the same geographic area.
I had no idea that such views were so widely shared- seriously. It's a surprise. i thought this was a local thing
Son, folks don't always speak of what they know for fact...
Son, folks don't always speak of what they know for fact...
This is, of course, bears little meaning to Thad's Tab.
Pastor G
11-03-2007, 08:42 AM
Why dost thou laugh?!
And may I respectfully ask where you are coming from here?!
Have you and Bishop had a run-in or is there another reason for your assumptions?!
I laugh because, IMHO his lack of respect for CLC had a lot to do with it... Hos school isn't endorsed by the UPCI or even recognized by them to my knowledge... I could say way more - but it's beside the pont..
This is, of course, bears little meaning to Thad's Tab.
LOL!! This has been real, y'all, but I need to get going here.
This is my first day off in WEEKS and I have a zillion things to do.
Carry on without me...will check in later...
If this is the case ... it doesn't seem prudent to open a franchise school literally in the same geographic area.
weeeeeeeeellllll, is that why many draw only one conclusion????????
Pastor G
11-03-2007, 08:44 AM
Surely ... CLC is not Apostolic enough, Pastor G? No?
lol well I wouldn't use Apostolic... but evidently it is not "something" enough for another one to start that close..
LOL!! This has been real, y'all, but I need to get going here.
This is my first day off in WEEKS and I have a zillion things to do.
Carry on without me...will check in later...
you've set a record today Barb. I do declare this is the longest you have ever stayed and conversed on the forum. maybe next time you could treat us with another extra 5 min. LOL
I laugh because, IMHO his lack of respect for CLC had a lot to do with it... Hos school isn't endorsed by the UPCI or even recognized by them to my knowledge... I could say way more - but it's beside the pont..
And you know this because...?!
Do we have more info here than speculation?!
And as for being endorsed or recognized by the Mothership, this is indicative of what?!
weeeeeeeeellllll, is that why many draw only one conclusion????????
But son, isn't it just as possible to draw the wrong conclusion?!
This is, of course, bears little meaning to Thad's Tab.
a little furhter explanation please
But son, isn't it just as possible to draw th ewrong conclusion?!
how would you explain it if you could ?
you've set a record today Barb. I do declare this is the longest you have ever stayed and conversed on the forum. maybe next time you could treat us with another extra 5 min. LOL
Well ... my meter is about to expire ... and I usually refrain from visiting the AFF redlight district .... I'll have one for the road ... and then be off.
Pastor G
11-03-2007, 08:49 AM
And you know this because...?!
Do we have more info here than speculation?!
And as for being endorsed or recognized by the Mothership, this is indicative of what?!
Hey you stayed anyway...
Darlin, there is no speculation here.. Think what we want of the Mothership but when you get turned down by the board that would love to have more Bible Colleges, you have to take into consideration their objections... There were and are many...
you've set a record today Barb. I do declare this is the longest you have ever stayed and conversed on the forum. maybe next time you could treat us with another extra 5 min. LOL
LOL!! I know you are right, Thad...it's just been hectic lately.
I don't mean to come off as a Nathaniel Wilson spokesperson, but I do know the character of the man.
Sorry if I came across wrong here...I just think some of what is posted today is error.
and you're curious because???
Because it just seemed odd for one man to be pointing out his alleged "hotness" to another man.
We just never did that where I came from.
Maybe it's regional.
Are you you a JCM grad?
Hey you stayed anyway...
Darlin, there is no speculation here.. Think what we want of the Mothership but when you get turned down by the board that would love to have more Bible Colleges, you have to take into consideration their objections... There were and are many...
Did he just call you "Darlin"??? :icecream
Because it just seemed odd for one man to be pointing out his alleged "hotness" to another man.
We just never did that where I came from.
Maybe it's regional.
Are you you a JCM grad?
Are you insinuating I'm a homosexual, Amos?
Narcissistic perhaps ... but all ... HETERO.
In the King James version it doesn't say it in exactly those terms but in The Message Bible or Today's English version it does...
I see.
So let's differentiate between what he has actually voiced, and what you have surmised.
He has very probably voiced a desire for some office, but I seriously doubt if he has voiced his desire to "one-up" his family.
You lumped them both together in the same basket, and that is disingenuous and misleading in my opinion.
Perhaps not deliberately so, but misleading nonetheless.
But now we have it clarified.
how would you explain it if you could ?
Bishop NJW has always been his own man and operated as he felt led to do so.
I don't think it is any more than that...CERTAINLY not jealously over CLC...that is just silly.
Whole Hearted
11-03-2007, 08:53 AM
And you know this because...?!
Do we have more info here than speculation?!
And as for being endorsed or recognized by the Mothership, this is indicative of what?!
Who cares if the school is endorsed by the org. They endorse things they shouldn't. NW can have a good school without the org. or their endorsement.
Raven
11-03-2007, 08:54 AM
Please don't stop now. I'm having a very good time reading this post on a beautiful Fall Saturday Morning. There's an element of truth in all the posts and I'm enjoying the sifting of them to get the whole story! Of course to expedite things Thad could make a call to the District Super [ I think they're somewhat acquainted ] or LAD could call Sheila and get it first hand........ but in the meantime keep posting because it makes interesting reading. This Forum should be regulated by the Drug Administration because it's so ADDICTIVE!
Raven
Well ... my meter is about to expire ... and I usually refrain from visiting the AFF redlight district .... I'll have one for the road ... and then be off.
that was pretty Low down,Dan
Did he just call you "Darlin"??? :icecream
LOL!!
I laugh because, IMHO his lack of respect for CLC had a lot to do with it... Hos school isn't endorsed by the UPCI or even recognized by them to my knowledge... I could say way more - but it's beside the pont..
This is a very common rhetorical device: Innuendo...the old "Well, I could really tell you some juicy dirt if I wanted, but instead I will just entice you to use your imagination..." gambit.
This whets the imagination of those so inclined and yet leaves the poster with plausible deniability.
Bishop NJW has always been his own man and operated as he felt led to do so.
I don't think it is any more than that...CERTAINLY not jealously over CLC...that is just silly.
I have never heard the word "Jealousy"
that was pretty Low down,Dan
He's just being Daniel...I'm sure he meant no harm.
I have never heard the word "Jealousy"
Then what is the motivation?!
That CLC is not spiritual enough?!
Are you insinuating I'm a homosexual, Amos?
Narcissistic perhaps ... but all ... HETERO.
Please be man enough to answer this Amos. Are you questioning my motives?
Pastor G
11-03-2007, 08:58 AM
I see.
So let's differentiate between what he has actually voiced, and what you have surmised.
He has very probably voiced a desire for some office, but I seriously doubt if he has voiced his desire to "one-up" his family.
You lumped them both together in the same basket, and that is disingenuous and misleading in my opinion.
Perhaps not deliberately so, but misleading nonetheless.
But now we have it clarified.
Not misleading nor disingenuous nor disrespectful... "One up," might be a watered down term... O well, I had no intention of getting involved in this thread... He is a great man and does his own thing as we all do...
Please don't stop now. I'm having a very good time reading this post on a beautiful Fall Saturday Morning. There's an element of truth in all the posts and I'm enjoying the sifting of them to get the whole story! Of course to expedite things Thad could make a call to the District Super [ I think they're somewhat acquainted ] or LAD could call Sheila and get it first hand........ but in the meantime keep posting because it makes interesting reading. This Forum should be regulated by the Drug Administration because it's so ADDICTIVE!
Raven
like reading a suspense novel uh?? lol
you know FULL well the sentiments from the former LOL !!!!!!! i need not say another word :chat
Then what is the motivation?!
That CLC is not spiritual enough?!
Is competitiveness and Jealousy the same thing or a diff. meaning ?
Please be man enough to answer this Amos. Are you questioning my motives?
I was taking advantage of an ill considered narcissistic post in order to tweak you a little bit in a good humored manner.:)
Please don't tell me that a notorious disher-outer like you is geting all thin-skinned...
Are there insecurities at work here?:icecream
Is competitiveness and Jealousy the same thing or a diff. meaning ?
Different, but I don't agree.
I really do have to run, y'all...have a good day...:thumbsup
Pastor G
11-03-2007, 09:02 AM
Different, but I don't agree.
I really do have to run, y'all...have a good day...:thumbsup
u 2 Barb... Nice talking with ya...
I was taking advantage of an ill considered narcissistic post in order to tweak you a little bit in a good humored manner.:)
Please don't tell me that a notorious disher-outer like you is geting all thin-skinned...
Are there insecurities at work here?:icecream
Amos ... you're a squirrel in my World looking for a nut. :thumbsup
Not misleading nor disingenuous nor disrespectful... "One up," might be a watered down term... O well, I had no intention of getting involved in this thread... He is a great man and does his own thing as we all do...
So his intent is even stronger than just one upsmanship?
That isn't the issue, really.
Your earlier post indicated that these were things he had voiced...and you included the one upping of his family in that post.
I just believe it is important for the sake of discussion here to be clear on what he has stated, and to separate that from what you have assumed and surmised.
Pastor G
11-03-2007, 09:03 AM
Amos ... you're a squirrel in my World looking for a nut. :thumbsup
Daniel, shouldn't you be at a funeral??
Who cares if the school is endorsed by the org. They endorse things they shouldn't. NW can have a good school without the org. or their endorsement.
someone correct me if I'm wrong but if my memory serves me right, a new bible school was attemped ...wasn't it called " Patton on the rock" ?
I'm not sure what happend... I don't think it stayed open, i'm not sure how long, not too long i don't think.
I understand the latest move was to create an online only Bible school??? that seems to be a growing trend and a good option for some
I know that there was also talks with TLC something to do with the future of JCM
Amos ... you're a squirrel in my World looking for a nut. :thumbsup
I don't really know if we are in the same world at all. :)
Daniel, shouldn't you be at a funeral??
I was there last nite ... simply an awesome tribute ... to a GREAT MAN.
Got to hear Patti, Rex, Scott and the beginning of Brett's eulogy. Had to leave early to pick up ChicagoPastor on the other side of town.
Dan Dean wrote a song on the day of Bishop's death that was simply UNBELIEVABLE AND HEART-STIRRING .... and sung it last nite. My God ...He needs to record it ...
Whole Hearted
11-03-2007, 09:08 AM
someone correct me if I'm wrong but if my memory serves me right, a new bible school was attemped ...wasn't it called " Patton on the rock" ?
I'm not sure what happend... I don't think it stayed open, i'm not sure how long, not too long i don't think.
I understand the latest move was to create an online only Bible school??? that seems to be a growing trend and a good option for some
I know that there was also talks with TLC something to do with the future of JCM
I just had an evangelist out of NW's church and my understanding is that it is an online Bible school.
Admin
11-03-2007, 09:11 AM
Folks, a reminder we are not here to degrade personality or ministry.
Let's stick to the issues or this thread will disappear!
Pastor G
11-03-2007, 09:13 AM
So his intent is even stronger than just one upsmanship?
That isn't the issue, really.
Your earlier post indicated that these were things he had voiced...and you included the one upping of his family in that post.
I just believe it is important for the sake of discussion here to be clear on what he has stated, and to separate that from what you have assumed and surmised.
I've assumed nothing... I know what assuming does... I have probably said too much... I shouldn't have gotten involved in this thread... I do stand by what I said.... If I dropped names, locations and exact wording of conversations you would still question what I say because you don't know me... It doesn't really matter anyway..
Pastor G
11-03-2007, 09:14 AM
I was there last nite ... simply an awesome tribute ... to a GREAT MAN.
Got to hear Patti, Rex, Scott and the beginning of Brett's eulogy. Had to leave early to pick up ChicagoPastor on the other side of town.
Dan Dean wrote a song on the day of Bishop's death that was simply UNBELIEVABLE AND HEART-STIRRING .... and sung it last nite. My God ...He needs to record it ...
Couldn't go last night or today, but went Thursday night... I loved him a lot... Great man!!
BoredOutOfMyMind
11-03-2007, 09:15 AM
Please be man enough to answer this Amos. Are you questioning my motives?
I thought the statement was weird myself. :dogkiss
Also, TF Tenney wrote a stirring and eloquent letter ... that Scott read.
I thought the statement was weird myself. :dogkiss
Uh, yer?
BoredOutOfMyMind
11-03-2007, 09:19 AM
Uh, yer?
Exactly. :nod
Isn't NW and Myles Young's church big on video webcasting? I thought they were big movers in ABN Global or whatever that Apostolic internet TV network is called?
It seems to me if that is the case that it would make them persona non grata to many of the conservatves leaving over Res4 when it comes to choosing leaders of the new org.
Whole Hearted
11-03-2007, 09:21 AM
:hijacked:hijacked:hijacked
BoredOutOfMyMind
11-03-2007, 09:23 AM
Isn't NW and Myles Young's church big on video webcasting? I thought they were big movers in ABN Global or whatever that Apostolic internet TV network is called?
It seems to me if that is the case that it would make them persona non grata to many of the conservatves leaving over Res4 when it comes to choosing leaders of the new org.
I guess the packed house at the Dedication of the new building said there are some who still like to see big churches in California Apostolic Land.
Isn't NW and Myles Young's church big on video webcasting? I thought they were big movers in ABN Global or whatever that Apostolic internet TV network is called?
It seems to me if that is the case that it would make them persona non grata to many of the conservatves leaving over Res4 when it comes to choosing leaders of the new org.
I was under the impression that they did webcast their services reguarly but I recently discovered that they don't- maybe a drew that conclusion because "no limits" was webcast.
maybe they will future tense ? i don't know.
I think that no limits was aired on ABN and i think that a relative was involved in ABN or something
Folks, a reminder we are not here to degrade personality or ministry.
Let's stick to the issues or this thread will disappear!
can you point out who or what post went over the line?
I'm not openly Questioning the admin. just a little lost as to who or what crossed the line in this discussion
can you point out who or what post went over the line?
I'm not openly Questioning the admin. just a little lost as to who or what crossed the line in this discussion
For one ... I was essentially called a Homosexual ... with Admin semi-concurring.
For one ... I was essentially called a Homosexual ... with Admin semi-concurring.
o come on Dan you know it was a joke and that was even clarified to you. you also indicated that TT was equal to prostitution ring
o come on Dan you know it was a joke and that was even clarified to you. you also indicated that TT was equal to prostitution ring
DID I???
BoredOutOfMyMind
11-03-2007, 09:43 AM
For one ... I was essentially called a Homosexual ... with Admin semi-concurring.
Speaking of Thin-skinned.
You made a statement to a male member that seemed a bit odd to more than one reading it.
This when pointed out causes this response?
Speaking of Thin-skinned.
You made a statement to a male member that seemed a bit odd to more than one reading it.
This when pointed out causes this response?
I was playing on words, Boomer ... would you like me to post a picture of a HOT LOOKING MESS? With a swirl or w/o?
DID I???
you called TT the red light District of the forum
you called TT the red light District of the forum
:nod
:nod
you really believe that Dan or teasing :?
you really believe that Dan or teasing :?
*shrug*
*shrug*
spell it out please
spell it out please
S-H-R-U-G
BoredOutOfMyMind
11-03-2007, 09:53 AM
A hot-looking mess.
And you pointed this out to Thad because...????
and you're curious because???
Because it just seemed odd for one man to be pointing out his alleged "hotness" to another man.
We just never did that where I came from.
Maybe it's regional.
Are you you a JCM grad?
Are you insinuating I'm a homosexual, Amos?
Narcissistic perhaps ... but all ... HETERO.
I was playing on words, Boomer ... would you like me to post a picture of a HOT LOOKING MESS? With a swirl or w/o?
If you can live with the decision of other Admin on the board seeing you painted yourself in a box, then that is your choice. I still say the conversation was weird at best. Kinda turned my stomach too.
If you can live with the decision of other Admin on the board seeing you painted yourself in a box, then that is your choice. I still say the conversation was weird at best. Kinda turned my stomach too.
Then maybe you shouldn't post on an empty stomach.
Maybe taking our minds out of the gutter will be beneficial.
Can I post the pic?
Then maybe you shouldn't post on an empty stomach.
Maybe taking our minds out of the gutter will be beneficial.
Can I post the pic?
WOW!!!
BoredOutOfMyMind
11-03-2007, 09:59 AM
Then maybe you shouldn't post on an empty stomach.
Maybe taking our minds out of the gutter will be beneficial.
Can I post the pic?
If you have to ask, perhaps you should not. You are the one who opened this up by what you said to another male, Sir.
If you have to ask, perhaps you should not. You are the one who opened this up by what you said to another male, Sir.
No, IMO ... it was misconstrued at best ... used to slander ... and then abetted.
If you feel it's best not to post the pic then I will submit to your authority.
SoCaliUPC
11-03-2007, 10:08 AM
Because it just seemed odd for one man to be pointing out his alleged "hotness" to another man.
We just never did that where I came from.
Maybe it's regional.
Are you you a JCM grad?
This post is uncalled for.
This post is uncalled for.
Yea, to impun all jcm grads too
SoCaliUPC
11-03-2007, 10:29 AM
Just reading this thread here are some thoughts....
1. It is no secret to those of us who live in California that NW wanted the office of DS. In fact, he had been after this office since Price retired.
2. There is a reason as to why the bible college was not endorsed. He did not endorse it with UPC because it was around this time that talks of him seriously starting his own organization was picking up steam. It also us around the time that someone close to him got up in a public meeting and declared to everyone that they should withhold their dues from the UPC until the TV thing was voted on.
3. Wasn't it reported back a while ago that there is a clothing allowance? Thad?
This post is uncalled for.
You seem a little sensitive...did you also attend?
You folks have a hard time taking a joke. :)
Just reading this thread here are some thoughts....
1. It is no secret to those of us who live in California that NW wanted the office of DS. In fact, he had been after this office since Price retired.
2. There is a reason as to why the bible college was not endorsed. He did not endorse it with UPC because it was around this time that talks of him seriously starting his own organization was picking up steam. It also us around the time that someone close to him got up in a public meeting and declared to everyone that they should withhold their dues from the UPC until the TV thing was voted on.
3. Wasn't it reported back a while ago that there is a clothing allowance? Thad?
SoCali, what are your thoughts re all of this?!
As a Californian, IYO does the fact that Bishop wanted to be DS ring of competiveness and one-upmanship?!
My thinking is no, for certainly that is not the man I know.
Does the fact that they did not seek endorsement by the UPCI for the BC ring of agenda to you?!
Again, my answer is no...not the man I know.
It's ok for the winner to have wanted the office, but the losers get slammed.
It's ok for the winner to have wanted the office, but the losers get slammed.
Apparently...
Apparently...
Likewise, it ok for the incumbent to want to remain in office; that's kosher.
But heaven help the man who desires it.
See here's the deal for me...
Love him, like him, or hate him, Bishop NJW is a compelling force.
Even at 26, he was a man to be respected and admired. He did not demand it...it just came with the presence of the man.
After lo these many years, his example is a bar that many in my experience cannot hold.
But that is just my admittedly biased opinion...
I do NOT discount the FACTS presented by those in the know out West. They have a persepective that you and I do not.
I do discount the opinion of those there or elsewhere who may assume more than they know.
That Bishop would start a school because of competiveness with his BIL is so far removed from what I know of him, I cannot tell you.
Anyway...need to go make some chili before the big MI/MI State game...
Jekyll
11-03-2007, 01:09 PM
BOOM, Dan will never admit to painting himself in a box. He relies on everyone rolling their eyes and giving up when he throws a "snow isn't white, it's green," type of statement then slips out to jump into another discussion and turn that into a puke brown mess. Why this guy still has any credibility is beyond me.
But this thread isn't about Dan.
This is about uninformed bitter folks that begrudge a man's labor and him building something out of nothing, staying true to GOD's call in his life and doing what he thinks God has directed him to do. PastorG all you are doing here is showing you have sour grapes. If you have fact, state fact otherwise you are SPECULATING and judging another man and causing the rest of the mindless here to slap you on the back for really, nothing.
And Thad, wow, you know how to do it...BTW, THAD, what is your pastor, or your brother going to do... are THEY turning in their cards?? HMMM???
SoCaliUPC
11-03-2007, 02:39 PM
It's ok for the winner to have wanted the office, but the losers get slammed.
I don't think the "winner" really wanted the office....but it is who the ministerial body voted in.
The DS job comes with a LOT of baggage. There might be some who really want the position for whatever reasons...but I would say the large majority would rather it not be them...but humbly take the job because the ministerial body thought it would be best.
I remember a conversation taking place forums ago...when Coonskinner was elected to be Youth President of the Kansas District. Not something that I think he wanted...but one in which the ministerial body of his district felt he would be the best man for the job.
SoCaliUPC
11-03-2007, 03:04 PM
SoCali, what are your thoughts re all of this?!
As a Californian, IYO does the fact that Bishop wanted to be DS ring of competiveness and one-upmanship?!
My thinking is no, for certainly that is not the man I know.
Does the fact that they did not seek endorsement by the UPCI for the BC ring of agenda to you?!
Again, my answer is no...not the man I know.
Barb....
To answer your questions....(and this is my PERSONAL opinion)....
RE: Wilson wanting to be DS.....I do not think it "rings" of competiveness and one-upmanship. (now...I am going to talk in general terms) However, I think the first thing a pastor needs to do is he is called to pastor his city and his flock. That is his first priority. I don't think he needs to campaign for a position or seek some "higher office." If the ministerial body votes the person into a position, and they think this is the right person for the job at the time, then go for it. However, I just have a problem with pastors seeking the higher position (brings me back to the Saturday night message at GC 2007).
RE: the BC. If you are part of the organization...why would you not want the endorsement of your organization on what you are doing? You live in Michigan and whereas Great Lakes University is not a Bible College...the UPC recognizes it. I think out of ministerial ethics (and take the family connection into account).....35 miles to build 2 bible schools....I don't know. I did not anticipate Wilson seeking an endorsement or caring if the UPC agreed with him or not on the BC. Again, out here, we have been hearing about him wanting to leave the UPC and form his own organization for awhile. If he did leave...a UPC endorsed BC would have stayed UPC and probably gone out from underneath him.
Again, just my thoughts.
Barb....
To answer your questions....(and this is my PERSONAL opinion)....
RE: Wilson wanting to be DS.....I do not think it "rings" of competiveness and one-upmanship. (now...I am going to talk in general terms) However, I think the first thing a pastor needs to do is he is called to pastor his city and his flock. That is his first priority. I don't think he needs to campaign for a position or seek some "higher office." If the ministerial body votes the person into a position, and they think this is the right person for the job at the time, then go for it. However, I just have a problem with pastors seeking the higher position (brings me back to the Saturday night message at GC 2007).
RE: the BC. If you are part of the organization...why would you not want the endorsement of your organization on what you are doing? You live in Michigan and whereas Great Lakes University is not a Bible College...the UPC recognizes it. I think out of ministerial ethics (and take the family connection into account).....35 miles to build 2 bible schools....I don't know. I did not anticipate Wilson seeking an endorsement or caring if the UPC agreed with him or not on the BC. Again, out here, we have been hearing about him wanting to leave the UPC and form his own organization for awhile. If he did leave...a UPC endorsed BC would have stayed UPC and probably gone out from underneath him.
Again, just my thoughts.
Yes, but as I have stated many times, Bishop was speaking about pulling out centuries ago when he was here.
That almost 30 years later he's still talking about it...oops, guess it's not talk now, but anyway, that he's still singing this tune, I am not surprised. Bishop has always followed that still small voice.
What defies my understanding is why now?! Why not wait and see what happens?! Why assume that Res 4 is the sound of death for the United Pentecostal Church, International, and carnality will now rule.
Why not work through this?!
Makes no sense...
Jekyll
11-03-2007, 03:30 PM
Yes, but as I have stated many times, Bishop was speaking about pulling out centuries ago when he was here.
That almost 30 years later he's still talking about it...oops, guess it's not talk now, but anyway, that he's still singing this tune, I am not surprised. Bishop has always followed that still small voice.
What defies my understanding is why now?! Why not wait and see what happens?! Why assume that Res 4 is the sound of death for the United Pentecostal Church, International, and carnality will now rule.
Why not work through this?!
Makes no sense...
I agree...
But, we don't know all the straw that was on the camel when this straw landed
BoredOutOfMyMind
11-03-2007, 04:16 PM
BOOM, Dan will never admit to painting himself in a box. He relies on everyone rolling their eyes and giving up when he throws a "snow isn't white, it's green," type of statement then slips out to jump into another discussion and turn that into a puke brown mess. Why this guy still has any credibility is beyond me.
But this thread isn't about Dan.
This is about uninformed bitter folks that begrudge a man's labor and him building something out of nothing, staying true to GOD's call in his life and doing what he thinks God has directed him to do. PastorG all you are doing here is showing you have sour grapes. If you have fact, state fact otherwise you are SPECULATING and judging another man and causing the rest of the mindless here to slap you on the back for really, nothing.
And Thad, wow, you know how to do it...BTW, THAD, what is your pastor, or your brother going to do... are THEY turning in their cards?? HMMM???
Monkeyface, I can only take Dan's posts for what they are saying loudly.
Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee [shall be] his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
I doubt he has ever been in the church in Sacramento, and surely understands LITTLE about Western District politics.
Side note, NW lost by two votes. My Pastor and I considered making the trip to go and vote. I cannot say for I was not there, but had we been there, the vote may have been different....... too far for us to drive was our decision. Interesting that the vote was TWO votes away from either side. I do believe the election was to fulfill the last year of term and will come up again this year. Which indeed will be an interesting vote to say the least with So California now fully underway for 2009. (joint events for 2008)
Monkeyface, I can only take Dan's posts for what they are saying loudly.
Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee [shall be] his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
I doubt he has ever been in the church in Sacramento, and surely understands LITTLE about Western District politics.
Side note, NW lost by two votes. My Pastor and I considered making the trip to go and vote. I cannot say for I was not there, but had we been there, the vote may have been different....... too far for us to drive was our decision. Interesting that the vote was TWO votes away from either side. I do believe the election was to fulfill the last year of term and will come up again this year. Which indeed will be an interesting vote to say the least with So California now fully underway for 2009. (joint events for 2008)
Two votes...that is amazing!! I maintain that a two thirds vote is what is fair in such things...
Thadisdaman
11-03-2007, 05:41 PM
Barb!
If Nate Wilson has been following the still small voice all these years, why does he only talk about pulling out but never does. Is it he doesnt know the still small voice. Who would want to be the Supt. of Cali right now anyway it is a mess. RM (Past Supt) was a wise man for leaving at a horrible time. He by far has been the best SUPT in the past 20 years. Price was great but lost it and should have moved on long before he did. There should have been term limits long ago.
I thought this thread was about Miles leaving? Yes he will let his dues expire nationally so his name dont get posted in the forward.
BoredOutOfMyMind
11-03-2007, 05:56 PM
Two votes...that is amazing!! I maintain that a two thirds vote is what is fair in such things...
The 2/3 was determined by two votes Sis.
No to say that our two would have changed it.... but who knows.
Barb!
If Nate Wilson has been following the still small voice all these years, why does he only talk about pulling out but never does. Is it he doesnt know the still small voice. Who would want to be the Supt. of Cali right now anyway it is a mess. RM (Past Supt) was a wise man for leaving at a horrible time. He by far has been the best SUPT in the past 20 years. Price was great but lost it and should have moved on long before he did. There should have been term limits long ago.
I thought this thread was about Miles leaving? Yes he will let his dues expire nationally so his name dont get posted in the forward.
Thadclone, one may talk about doing a lot things for many reasons.
I am not Bishop W...perhaps you should contact him and ask him to answer your question, but I am sure he knows the voice of the Master.
I can only say that I know him to be a man of character and great strength.
As for your comment about Bro. Y...the originator of this thread stated that Bro. Y had already turned in his card. Now YOU are saying he will let the dues elapse so as not to have his name in the Forward.
Which one is fact and which one is speculation?!
The 2/3 was determined by two votes Sis.
No to say that our two would have changed it.... but who knows.
Oops...
revrandy
11-03-2007, 07:14 PM
Just a note...
I feel that NW has wanted a position within the UPC but has never got there....
it may be with this new org..he will get his due...
Jekyll
11-03-2007, 08:08 PM
Just a note...
I feel that NW has wanted a position within the UPC but has never got there....
it may be with this new org..he will get his due...
Doubt it...is he going to be number one?? Doubt it, it will look too much like what you stated above, taking his ball and going home.
Why do you all give him this image of seeking power for the sake of power? If anything, he may have wanted a position where he could guide part of the org. back to a closer walk with God. With this new org. he doesn't have that kind of a purpose...
You obviously haven't been to The Rock in Sac..... they've never preached against the the above mentioned items..... M-Y's wife is one of the most eccentric dressers around!!! (pretty crazy too -- at times!!)
If you know me AT ALL, you know my post was tongue-in-cheek!
Somebody needs to get a sense of humor!!! Good grief!!!
Pastor G
11-03-2007, 08:26 PM
Doubt it...is he going to be number one?? Doubt it, it will look too much like what you stated above, taking his ball and going home.
Why do you all give him this image of seeking power for the sake of power? If anything, he may have wanted a position where he could guide part of the org. back to a closer walk with God. With this new org. he doesn't have that kind of a purpose...
Could it be there is something to it?
Could it be there is something to it?
Okay...'fess up...what is your obvious axe you are grinding here?! Ya been at it since this morning...inquiring minds want to know...:nod
Pastor G
11-03-2007, 08:34 PM
Okay...'fess up...what is your obvious axe you are grinding here?! Ya been at it since this morning...inquiring minds want to know...:nod
I just got back on... I have no axe to grind at all... In fact I have been on committees with him and I think he is great at what he does... Just making an observation... Did you have a good day, Barb?
I just got back on... I have no axe to grind at all... In fact I have been on committees with him and I think he is great at what he does... Just making an observation... Did you have a good day, Barb?
Noooo...you said...
Could it be there is something to it?That, sir, is more than an observation. You were making a blanket statement in a question.
There is more here than you are admitting to...
Oh well...and yes, I had a good day, thank you.
Pastor G
11-03-2007, 08:44 PM
Noooo...you said...
That, sir, is more than an observation. You were making a blanket statement in a question.
There is more here than you are admitting to...
Oh well...and yes, I had a good day, thank you.
Sorry, to disappoint you, but was observing in question form that if "all you" were saying it, could there be something to it... I could have asked the question, "are all of the 'you all' mentioned, wrong?"
Sorry, to disappoint you, but was observing in question form that if "all you" were saying it, could there be something to it... I could have asked the question, "are all of the 'you all' mentioned, wrong?"
Hmmmm...
I don't think the "winner" really wanted the office....but it is who the ministerial body voted in.
I wasn't going to say anything but....... this one got a rise out of me!!....
The "winner" DEFINITELY wanted the office and openly campaigned for it! Which has never happened in the last 40+ years in the WD - due to the fact that when Bro. Price resigned at District Conference, it was a total surprise and there was no time to "campaign". This time the DS resigned ahead of time - which allowed for promises to be made if certain people were voted in. The splitting of the District was one such promise.
If you know me AT ALL, you know my post was tongue-in-cheek!
Somebody needs to get a sense of humor!!! Good grief!!!
I do KNOW you....:nod - but there are those that don't know the Rock Church and would assume.... I was smiling when I posted that BTW.:tease
dizzyde
11-03-2007, 10:12 PM
:uhoh :oops
Jekyll
11-03-2007, 11:06 PM
Sorry, to disappoint you, but was observing in question form that if "all you" were saying it, could there be something to it... I could have asked the question, "are all of the 'you all' mentioned, wrong?"
You hold this man in contempt for seeking office yet you talk in circles and don't stand up to your inferences. State your facts if you have any and speak clearly...otherwise you just sound bitter because of some history you have with him.
revrandy
11-04-2007, 12:27 AM
SoCali...
I think the only reason the "winner" got voted in is because he supported the SoCal guys and that is a well known fact I believe...
once they got garnished his support it was a done deal and now they get what they want... much politics involved here...
SoCaliUPC
11-04-2007, 12:59 AM
Barb!
If Nate Wilson has been following the still small voice all these years, why does he only talk about pulling out but never does. Is it he doesnt know the still small voice. Who would want to be the Supt. of Cali right now anyway it is a mess. RM (Past Supt) was a wise man for leaving at a horrible time. He by far has been the best SUPT in the past 20 years. Price was great but lost it and should have moved on long before he did. There should have been term limits long ago.
I thought this thread was about Miles leaving? Yes he will let his dues expire nationally so his name dont get posted in the forward.
Mullings WAS a great Supt. He had my utmost respect. I think he got a raw deal in the end.
The only thing I differ with you is Price was also a great Supt. He, like Urshan, was able to keep the "family" happy. People got a long out of respect for who the leader was. When they left...it was open season. I am sorry that some used him a few years ago and some of his credibility was questioned....but, I still prefer to remember the Price I always knew.
SoCaliUPC
11-04-2007, 01:01 AM
Thadclone, one may talk about doing a lot things for many reasons.
I am not Bishop W...perhaps you should contact him and ask him to answer your question, but I am sure he knows the voice of the Master.
I can only say that I know him to be a man of character and great strength.
As for your comment about Bro. Y...the originator of this thread stated that Bro. Y had already turned in his card. Now YOU are saying he will let the dues elapse so as not to have his name in the Forward.
Which one is fact and which one is speculation?!
Barb....FACT is Myles will not be part of the UPC (unfortunately). How that happens, whether he turned his card in or did not pay dues (which I am convinced the latter to be true)....he is out.
SoCaliUPC
11-04-2007, 01:04 AM
Doubt it...is he going to be number one?? Doubt it, it will look too much like what you stated above, taking his ball and going home.
Why do you all give him this image of seeking power for the sake of power? If anything, he may have wanted a position where he could guide part of the org. back to a closer walk with God. With this new org. he doesn't have that kind of a purpose...
WHA??????????? Like WHO????????????
SoCaliUPC
11-04-2007, 01:08 AM
I wasn't going to say anything but....... this one got a rise out of me!!....
The "winner" DEFINITELY wanted the office and openly campaigned for it! Which has never happened in the last 40+ years in the WD - due to the fact that when Bro. Price resigned at District Conference, it was a total surprise and there was no time to "campaign". This time the DS resigned ahead of time - which allowed for promises to be made if certain people were voted in. The splitting of the District was one such promise.
The Southern California guys were not going to vote for Wilson. Abbey said he would support the formation and not stand in their way. HOWEVER, Mullings and Haney already gave their blessing to the formation which made everything happen in the first place. It was a meeting a few months later where Mullings resigned. The stamp of approval, from the Western District DS was already there. Abbey just said he would not do anything to change it. I can't say the same for the other.
SoCaliUPC
11-04-2007, 01:09 AM
:uhoh :oops
Spill it woman! :icecream
SoCaliUPC
11-04-2007, 01:14 AM
SoCali...
I think the only reason the "winner" got voted in is because he supported the SoCal guys and that is a well known fact I believe...
once they got garnished his support it was a done deal and now they get what they want... much politics involved here...
True....as I said earlier...the SoCal guys (majority of them) were not going to vote for Wilson. Whomever was the next person would have received their votes. If it was Mullings and Wilson, Mullings would have received their vote. He supported their efforts and was not going to change what was already approved by the GS and DS months prior.
Must NOTE....the stamp of approval from the GS and DS (Mullings) was given months prior to the Campmeeting. At that time, Mullings was not even resigning. He resigned about a month before Campmeeting. The vote was gonna take place. Abbey said he would not change what was already given a nod by the Western District HEAD at that time. Besides...the formation of a new district was defeated in the WD, however, the majority of the SoCal wanted it....the General Board had the final say....and the formation of the new district occurred. The only difference would have been if Wilson was appointed DS and would have tried to totally BLOCK it from happening.
You hold this man in contempt for seeking office yet you talk in circles and don't stand up to your inferences. State your facts if you have any and speak clearly...otherwise you just sound bitter because of some history you have with him.
My sentiments exactly!!
Barb....FACT is Myles will not be part of the UPC (unfortunately). How that happens, whether he turned his card in or did not pay dues (which I am convinced the latter to be true)....he is out.
But, Socali, if he is just letting his dues elapse, technically he is not out YET.
I was under the impression by the opening post that it was a done deal...
ReformedDave
11-04-2007, 07:30 AM
He penned a song that Clint Brown recorded and our church loves it.
"I came to clap my hands,
I came to stomp my feet,
I came to lift my voice,
I came to get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up..."
Amazing lyrics.........deep.
SoCaliUPC
11-04-2007, 08:31 AM
But, Socali, if he is just letting his dues elapse, technically he is not out YET.
I was under the impression by the opening post that it was a done deal...
Barb...I know you are hoping for the best...but it is a done deal.
are their any songs with the Title " Already a Done Deal " ??
That might make a good title for appropriate settings 9to set the atmosphere) :killinme:heeheehee
are their any songs with the Title " Already a Done Deal " ??
That might make a good title for appropriate settings 9to set the atmosphere) :killinme:heeheehee
Sorry, Thaddy...I'm afraid I don't see the humor...
Sorry, Thaddy...I'm afraid I don't see the humor...
How did i offend you Barb ? I sure wasn't trying to
How did i offend you Barb ? I sure wasn't trying to
I didn't say you offended me, hon...I wrote that I didn't see the humor.
I didn't say you offended me, hon...I wrote that I didn't see the humor.
oh ok... sounded like the former- glad you clarified
dizzyde
11-04-2007, 11:39 AM
Spill it woman! :icecream
Not touchin this with a ten foot pole!!! LOL!!! :killinme :girlpopcorn
Raven
11-04-2007, 06:45 PM
Not touchin this with a ten foot pole!!! LOL!!! :killinme :girlpopcorn
You're a very smart girl!!!
Carpenter
11-05-2007, 10:06 AM
Well, we have spelled out a rather big name? in the UPC who has turned in his card and it seems most of us know who he is, his past, etc.
Are there any others who have actually made a conclusive decision to turn in their cards?
I have been thinking, I wonder what Lee Stoneking and Gordon Poe are going to do regarding all this business...
ReformedDave
11-05-2007, 10:25 AM
Well, we have spelled out a rather big name? in the UPC who has turned in his card and it seems most of us know who he is, his past, etc.
Are there any others who have actually made a conclusive decision to turn in their cards?
I have been thinking, I wonder what Lee Stoneking and Gordon Poe are going to do regarding all this business...
I'd be shocked if LS turned in his card.
dizzyde
11-05-2007, 10:55 AM
You're a very smart girl!!!
I'm trying to be!! :praying
SoCaliUPC
11-05-2007, 11:55 AM
Lee Stoneking was very much in favor of Res. 4.
Lee Stoneking was very much in favor of Res. 4.
Hmmmm...
Lee Stoneking was very much in favor of Res. 4.
Yep that's my understanding too
Yep that's my understanding too
Hmmmmmmmm...
Hmmmmmmmm...
what's the "hmmmmmm" about ?
revrandy
11-05-2007, 03:19 PM
what's the "hmmmmmm" about ?
This thread is so boring..maybe she's humming..... :dunno
This thread is so boring..maybe she's humming..... :dunno
why is it boring Randy?
what's the "hmmmmmm" about ?
This thread is so boring..maybe she's humming..... :dunno
LOL!! Not humming...hmmming...
Hmmm is second cousin to ah-ha...means I am comprehending, or trying to anyway. :nod
SoCaliUPC
11-05-2007, 05:30 PM
What question do you have about LS being in favor of the resolution?
Felicity
11-05-2007, 05:30 PM
So has Myles Young really left the UPC?
:D
What question do you have about LS being in favor of the resolution?
that's what i was wondering
He's been pretty vocal about his opinions on the matter
SoCaliUPC
11-05-2007, 05:36 PM
So has Myles Young really left the UPC?
:D
Yes.
StillStanding
11-05-2007, 05:39 PM
So has Myles Young really left the UPC?
:D
Since I've never heard of him before this thread, here's a great big WHO CARES?????
Since I've never heard of him before this thread, here's a great big WHO CARES?????
have you heard of curtis young of baton rouge ?
What question do you have about LS being in favor of the resolution?
that's what i was wondering
He's been pretty vocal about his opinions on the matter
Don't know much about Bro. S and really wasn't asking a question...just trying to comprehend it all.
Things are moving so quickly...I wish folks would just calm down and sit a spell...
Since I've never heard of him before this thread, here's a great big WHO CARES?????
Bro. Young is really a fine young man...a wonderful singer and a pretty good little song writer.
bishoph
11-07-2007, 04:17 PM
Not to mention he pastors one of the largest churches in the UPCI.......well was UPCI.
Not to mention he pastors one of the largest churches in the UPCI.......well was UPCI.
Yes...and is married to a very talented young lady...
BoredOutOfMyMind
11-07-2007, 04:27 PM
Not to mention he pastors one of the largest churches in the UPCI.......well was UPCI.
Pastor or Co-Pastor?
StillStanding
11-07-2007, 04:28 PM
have you heard of curtis young of baton rouge ?
Yes! I guess he's related somehow?
Pastor or Co-Pastor?
From my understanding, Bro. Y is pastor...FIL is bishop...
bishoph
11-07-2007, 05:41 PM
From my understanding, Bro. Y is pastor...FIL is bishop...
This is correct!
revrandy
11-07-2007, 06:02 PM
Bishop W still calls the shots...
Bishoph... I think I know you....:)
Bishop W still calls the shots...
Bishoph... I think I know you....:)
Some...not all...
revrandy
11-08-2007, 07:24 AM
Some...not all...
Um...yeah...right... believe what you'd like sis. Barb...:bouquet
StillStanding
11-08-2007, 09:13 AM
Um...yeah...right... believe what you'd like sis. Barb...:bouquet
It may be where MY makes many decisions, but the buck stops at NW's desk. NW is the final authority!!
SoCaliUPC
11-08-2007, 10:18 AM
It may be where MY makes many decisions, but the buck stops at NW's desk. NW is the final authority!!
NW has a lot of control in that church. It is still NW's church. MY may be "Pastor" but it is in a secondary role to NW.
It is similar to POA.... Anthony Mangun is Sr. Pastor, Shock is Pastor. Mangun is still calling the shots and is "THE" pastor of the church. The same is with The Rock Church.....NW calls the shots.
NW has a lot of control in that church. It is still NW's church. MY may be "Pastor" but it is in a secondary role to NW.
It is similar to POA.... Anthony Mangun is Sr. Pastor, Shock is Pastor. Mangun is still calling the shots and is "THE" pastor of the church. The same is with The Rock Church.....NW calls the shots.
Some...not all...
Michael Phelps
11-08-2007, 03:26 PM
Sweet Pea
I really don't think it is a standard or a conservative issue that is motivating Myles. Myles is a progressive thinker but I think he is searching for that "special something" he knew as a young person that has slipped away from him and his generation the last few years. I can almost guarantee he won't find it in Tulsa! But if he keeps searching in honesty something far better is coming his way and to all those who hunger after righteousness.
One thing I do know God's not worried for everything is going like clockwork.
Raven
This is an extremely insightful post, Raven. Excellent point.
crazy4jesus08
11-29-2007, 06:52 AM
Yes I agree.
Thoughts by T
11-29-2007, 10:38 AM
Now I know that Wilson is Bishop but since Myles was officially pastor doesnt that mean that the church is no longer affiliated? I totally agree with you pianoman & revrandy...Everything stops at big chiefs desk...I also hear he is very much so stressing over the finances of that church...major stress...It must be with a $65,000 per month payment. What do you think?
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